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[UNLOCKED] Artist’s Symposium 1: No Country for Woke Men
In this episode of the Artist's Symposium, the hosts delve into the themes of masculinity and morality explored in the film 'No Country for Old Men.' They engage in a lively discussion ...
[UNLOCKED] Artist’s Symposium 1: No Country for Woke Men
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Now the very young and the impressionable should definitely not be watching this program tonight.
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So there are thousands of men and women who are secretly worshipping the devil.
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Those of us who've been in secret offices are beginning with a long commissional switch.
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That's the most you've ever lost in the grindtoss.
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You also talked about a deeper bond with the product nostalgia.
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The program you are about to see concerns the mysterious deaths and mutilations of animals in the United States and other parts of the world.
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I'm not resilient.
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And if I was, certainly we can tell you.
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Adrenaline.
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If you make any further inquiries or if you say a single word to anyone about what you are seeing,
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there will be the most dire consequences for you and your family.
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Hello folks and welcome back to predictive programming.
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I don't I don't have one for this.
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Yeah, he's a really podcast that we already said not stopping for hitchhikers this time it's a cop.
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So I guess it's slightly different.
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He said the thing in the intro from the movie.
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He did say the thing in the intro for the movie.
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I can make a reference to us not calling coin tosses about the adrenal chrome.
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I want only the only podcast that travels around and gets to you the same way of coin does.
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Ah, I like that.
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I like that.
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Welcome to our guest and introduce here, a cacti senior staffer for them chicken scratches.
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And it's a zine.
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You think I'm a hip.
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If you give him his your address and social security number, he'll send you a magazine and you don't even have to send him your social security number.
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I just did that for fun.
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Yeah.
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And you can feel I had something but it went to me in some pocket.
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Incredible.
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Well,
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I'm sure he feels he feels our gaze everywhere he goes.
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He feels someone's gay everywhere he goes.
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I feel hashtag blessed.
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Hell, you use those until 2025 you told me that.
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That's true.
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I can't guys also predictive programming senior Mexico researcher.
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That's right.
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We thought we'd see the eye higher.
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That sounds like a daily show title.
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It does sound like a daily show title.
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I think I'm going to start doing this daily show, ask titles.
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I always like this.
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Senior blank correspondent.
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Oh, yeah.
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So I got nothing funny for there right now.
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Cacti is joining us for.
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Oh my god, I totally blanked out.
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No country for old men.
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Old country buffet for no men.
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Well, we kept saying old country and I kept wanting to say old country and I had to stop myself.
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I told you like I will without even realizing this flip flop at the old country for no men.
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Without thinking.
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Even before I watched it or tried to read it, I can't.
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More on that later.
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See, I kind of misremembered and thought this would have a lot more to do with like.
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Cartel trafficking, which was why I wanted to bring cacti on a regitalin.
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But it's not nearly as in depth on that as the counselor.
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So.
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I think.
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Your basic summation cacti was yes, people die and shoot outs in the desert sometimes.
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Yeah, sometimes money goes missing that all happens, you know.
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Yeah, I mean like it's sometimes there's Americans involved in that.
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It's like I.
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That seems like a pretty international sort of situation, right?
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It could be like what?
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Mexican's a Texas with drugs or like white methods in Alabama with drugs or.
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How's the drug trade in Canada?
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Can I make a mention that they're shooting themselves were maple syrup up there.
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There's a vancover mafia.
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Yeah, talking about it.
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I have no idea what they do.
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I really should.
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I'm sorry.
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As far as I could tell, as far as I could tell they're sending it down here too.
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So it's coming from from both sides.
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We're kind of getting.
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I'm sorry.
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I'm sorry.
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Cut that.
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The phrase vancover mafia is funny to me in a way that few things are.
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It's like a guess like you could say that like Carson Wells represents some kind of like American interest in the Mexican drug trade, but that's really about the extent of it.
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Well, why would think it would be the guys that hired him because he's described without honor is like his his and his hiring is like the guy that hires him isn't even given a name.
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It's Steven Rude is built as build.
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Highers well.
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I I love Steven.
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I like Steven Rude is.
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But I mean, my whole point is like even like the American interest in the drug trade is not given a very high priority in the actual plot of the movie.
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I mean, so I they're ended up not being as much to talk about as I would thought.
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But I was going to bring up.
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And the group of allegations for the court of the car, because it kind of relates a little bit to the plot of the movie.
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And it kind of relates back to some of my favorite like enemies on Twitter.
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We sure the red scare girls.
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So I wonder when it just come out.
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2007 though either book of the movie.
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Oh, no, no, the article about McCarthy.
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Sorry.
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I'm looking for the day.
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It's November 20th.
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Yeah.
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So it came out like literally just two months ago.
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Yeah.
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Three months ago.
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Oh, it's the first.
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So it's two.
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So the first thing that I want to say is that.
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Some people put together that Vigenzo Barney.
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Log with the girl Augusta Britt.
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She's a woman now, but.
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May have lied about her age.
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How old she was.
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I think some records turned up after the story came out.
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That implied that she may have been two years younger.
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So the story says that she was 16 about to turn 17.
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That would mean that she was 14 about to turn 15.
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So it puts it in a very different light.
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Um, because the idea originally was like, oh, it's not that bad.
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Because a, she could legally consent during this time period,
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which I find that to be a hazy argument anyway.
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And, uh, be, uh, if this are true, she couldn't have legally
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considered during the time period because she would have been younger than 16.
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Damn, you pulled up Polanski.
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Yeah.
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He did pull actually.
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What?
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I don't know.
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It wasn't this.
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It was, um, I think it was hardcore that we had just done.
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And that, uh, that, uh, one of the reviews mentioned the Polanski.
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Shipe it.
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So that happened.
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And like, I think a big reason why that's relevant to me is another article that did just come out, which was the Neil Gaiman one.
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And, like, Geiman got away with it for so long, largely because his papa was a huge mover and shaker in Scientology.
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I don't know how well that's known.
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Did you know that date?
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Uh, no, I actually know for a little about Neil Gaiman in general.
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Yeah.
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Like, I saw a coral line and that's kind of it.
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I always kind of found him in sufferable.
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I don't know about you.
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Uh, all I know is he was one of those big, like, Tumblr things.
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And that was enough for me to go.
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I'm good.
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That said, that said, I did like coral.
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That's a fine movie.
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So like, that's my only opinion on this guy.
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I didn't know his name, but that's a nice movie.
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You know, it's got them.
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Anything that stop motions front to watch.
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So I'm big on stop motion.
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Like, I was like, uh, I was like, uh, nightmare before Christmas for that reason.
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I did and I didn't, but I really got played out when I became like the branding for hot topic, but like, don't let, don't let people who buy a lot of bumper stickers ruin your fun, man.
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Exactly.
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No, no.
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So like, I liked a lot as a kid and then I watched it a couple years ago with an ex and, uh, you're like, you know what?
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I don't like this anymore.
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Really?
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Cause I watched the kids after not watching it for a while and I was like, yeah, actually still like this.
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I just, I didn't dislike it.
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I just didn't like it that much.
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Like, nothing wrong with it.
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But, uh, no, I did not know his, uh, his daddy game and was his Scientologist.
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Oh, yeah.
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And so like, that to me explains why he was able to get away with things like raping the babysitter in front of his son for a while.
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That that that bitch is makes it so much creepier than it already is.
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He was like, like, he had, um, the babysitter called his son like master.
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It was, um, I feel like I'm getting detail slightly wrong because I don't actually have the article up.
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But, um, close enough for this, for the purpose of this episode, which is for entertainment purposes only.
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Yeah, for this very fast and loose episode.
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But, I don't know.
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I just kind of thought that like, when you're getting the grooming the sun detail is fucking insane to me.
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Yeah, like that.
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I don't know.
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I don't, I didn't read the article.
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I didn't look into it because like I have no skin in this game.
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It's like, I don't.
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I shouldn't have air.
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I'm just like, I know nothing about this.
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I know nothing about this and you're very loud in my headphones.
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So I'm just like nodding my head to all of these details.
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I have zero clue.
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But, um,
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Oh, you're not read that one, Kaktai.
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I mean, I read it and then, you know, people were commenting that it was kind of insufferable.
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And I was like,
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Are you talking about the article still the one that was the one that recently came out where everybody was either trying to grip like cook or or defend Kormac?
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Oh, yeah.
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No, I was talking about the guy in article as well.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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The Kormac one actually, you're right.
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It took a very like shitty tone where it was very defensive.
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First of all, like, it seems after the point of publication that we can now say that like,
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uh, what's sort of Brit and, uh, Vincenzo here, collaborated to make the story as easy to go down as possible,
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especially if they collaborated to lie about her age.
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But like, the big thing for me is like, uh,
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the big, big defense that he got from all of like these literature gurlids that all stem from the red scar scene.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Ended up connecting like really directly with the guyman stuff because they ended up defending him too.
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And the accusations were even worse.
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Um, although like the one thing that is crazy to me about the, the McCarthy article in particular is that he, uh, he trafficked her into Mexico.
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Oh, so he writes a lot about.
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Yeah.
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So that's the other thing too is like, it implies like some possible firsthand knowledge of some of the stuff that he's writing about.
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I don't know.
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It's just, it's, it's weird to me and I feel like it may be the tip of an iceberg that maybe we'll hear more about in coming years.
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It connects really well with the stuff that we've done on Hunter Thompson as well.
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And like I now know too, that, uh, I don't know how much of this I can give away yet, but I will say that I have an unnamed source that is told me that Hunter Thompson.
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It was good friends with Craig Spence.
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And I don't know.
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So, uh, Cacti, do you know who Craig Spence is off the top of your head?
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Dean probably doesn't.
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I'll probably explain it anyway.
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Uh, he worked with Roy Cone when Roy Cone had his trafficking like his kind of like, uh, not trafficking sexual black male scheme going on here kind of like a ditty Epstein network style thing.
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Uh, going on before he died, mentor of Donald Trump as well.
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So, um, yeah.
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My, yeah.
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My, uh, my thesis on Thompson as a federal asset feels like better and better every day.
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But yeah, I mean, like I guess my point with both of these big articles is they got this huge defense online.
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And a lot of that stemmed from the big T-light groups that I've covered in the past, which.
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I don't know.
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I mean, like I don't know what the end goal here is.
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I guess just normalizing the abuse of women and girls.
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Implying that hasn't been their, their play for this entire time.
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Yeah, I suppose that's fair.
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It's a chance culture.
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And a lot of this like stems from chance culture has always been really big on that.
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I, um, I just made a post this, this week about how, um,
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like pretty much anyone that was a big celebrity within the, uh, that kind of came out of Chan culture.
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It's probably guilty of like grooming and abusing teenagers like Sam Hyde.
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There are like very credible accusations of him as well.
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It just kind of stems out of the same like, I don't know.
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Disrespect towards young people.
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I don't know how else to really put it.
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But it's just a reoccurring thing.
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I don't know if anybody has anything that they want to bounce off of with that.
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I mean abuse towards the young is just like, you know, I think a common history, a common theme and like all.
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What would you call like messed up power structures throughout history, whether that's just like, you know, good old patriarchy or, or positions of power and, you know, corporate America.
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It's a usually involved torturing the young in one way or another seems to be just an aspect of ritual that's kind of tied to something, you know, that goes deeper.
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Some psychosexual shit that I'm not qualified to really say anything more than damn.
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That's fucked up.
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I think it's also pretty good.
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I'll say it is odd though how many of like the same background and I'm like the same like the end of doing the same thing online and like having the same shit pulled on and not pulled on it like.
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Come out of the woodwork later.
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Yeah, I mean, I just it seems to really go hand in hand with like the fascist post-war mentality that the pods interested in.
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And it's kind of it just shows how it's permeated culture and how all of these authors have varying degrees of credible.
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But all of them have some kind of credible child abuse alliation against them.
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And then we have a lot of modern cultural figures who also have the exact same thing.
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So I don't know, I just felt like it was bringing up with bringing up.
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I thought it could show potential for Kormick to be linked to deeper networks to have a potential insight into something that he's writing about.
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But it's not like it's not even nearly as cut like cut and dry as like like Thompson just having an interest in young people alone is not.
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You know indicative of being a spy, even if it shows someone that could be turned into a good asset.
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Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think if you make a big enough name for yourself, it's kind of like how brothels are used as in like tools for intelligence.
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It's like ways of blackmail and just, you know, sort of headquarters for different sort of operations because nobody wants to be nobody wants everybody to find out that you're a john.
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So, you know, by the very nature of it, it kind of like blends itself to what the various things that they want to do.
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Like if you make a name for yourself, eventually you go out looking for something that, you know, you think your your money can buy you and your status can protect you from seeing consequences.
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And then, you know, you end up having some link to intelligence because I don't know about you guys.
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But personally, I think all this shit is the feds. So, you know, yeah, oh, absolutely.
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I don't think that it's a there's like a cottage industry for child trafficking.
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Yeah, I think it's all big time like the CIA and shit, but hey, maybe I'm wrong.
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Now, I think like even when it happens on smaller scale, it's like, if it, if that person grows to enough extent that they're like starting to really buy, sell and trade child exploitation material that the feds are getting involved at some points.
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Yeah, it's like as a mob son.
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Right, you know that story.
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I don't I can't even I can't even remember his name, but as a son, um, had got busted for having this massive massive child exploitation material collection.
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And did you tell me about this?
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I may have.
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Anybody in one point.
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We're talking about the science guy, right?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, no.
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It's just like how all the star track people always get linked to pedophilia.
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Nothing.
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They say they can't help who goes to their conventions.
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I was just it's like the it's like the early Minecraft YouTubers when they went to like minecon for the first time and realized every single one of their fans was a 14 year old.
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What, and decided to become groomers that day.
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It's just the way not to plan it.
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You know, I mean, he's a he's a Nazi.
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I was going to say that.
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It may not be far off from the.
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Yes, I do know some things.
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All right.
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I'm not as locked in or tuned in as you, but I do know some things.
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No, once the real the real brainiac on the on the podcast, especially this episode.
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Maybe on this episode.
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Yeah, well, I mean, you know, it's it's by comparison.
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I don't want to come in too much.
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I don't even know if I was smart as hacked either.
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Like I do some research, but I'm not like a not a heavy hitter.
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I'm not a not a real one.
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But like a lot of stems having kids, you know.
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Oh, you don't have the time to do it.
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I thought you gave you like a weird edge.
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Yeah.
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Like a certain signer and all like some mood, suicide, like male analog to pregnancy brain.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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If you have kids, you become a really like talented conspiracy researcher.
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Yeah.
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That's that's what I that's what happened for the gallon.
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I never finished my story as a mom.
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I don't know if I need to have some.
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Oh, so his collection was so large that he wanted it, it's clear that he was not just hoarding material.
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He was selling it out to people.
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No real stories reported on that at the time.
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But he was like actual early a purveyor of child board, not just a collector of it.
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And that often becomes the case is that they grow.
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They get these collections.
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It's commonplace within their communities to trade with each other.
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Or like you can't join a server unless you upload something, which like in addition, the crazy thing too, is that not only is that allow these people to grow their collections.
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But if any of the people involved are a federal agent, it also implicates you in a crime.
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So it to me, it's like pretty clearly that like just like act that said, this is.
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Something that intelligence gets involved in not just something that is a cottage industry around.
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Yeah, you have to get plugged into the into the big, the big system eventually.
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Right, because I mean, just like, you know, we're all being surveilled constantly.
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At least in my mind, I have, I find it hard to imagine that you can do, you can commit that sort of prime for a long time and, and just never, you know, raise any red flags.
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When we're like, you know, we basically have no right to privacy at this point in our country.
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Oh, exactly.
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Well, it's like that the dark web too is all just like military monitored or intelligence monitored nodes of the internet.
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So they can see just like crypto too.
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They can see when people are making these purchases.
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And they can see when people are making uploads or downloads through the tour networks because they can, like you have to access it through a node.
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And they can see that node that you're accessing a through.
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At least that I'm not a tech guy, but that's my understanding of how it works anyway.
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Yeah, no, I'm not a tech guy either, but my understanding is, you know, if you're on the computer and you have a connection to something, it's like, I think the feds have the tech.
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Yeah, I don't think.
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You know what I mean?
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Like there's nothing like a little fashion notebook.
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If you want to keep something private.
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I haven't really like talked about this on the pod a lot, but like I'm very, I don't know, I'm anti technology, but like constraints to modern society.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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It's like, I don't like using all this stuff, but I use it because it's like for me, someone that likes having a platform is the best way to have one.
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But if it weren't for that, I don't know how much I do.
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Technology.
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Now I just picture a pre internet like this.
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And we've got public access like Wayne's world.
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Hell yeah, dude.
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That, no, that rules like I would love to do that.
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I want to get like a player stream going.
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Yeah, we're on the radio right now.
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Yeah, that way everybody could hear me fuck up your name on the radio.
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They didn't fuck you got to write, which is what the problem is.
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That's true.
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And I got to cut this to ice.
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No, you can leave that.
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I believe that.
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Yeah, you're right.
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But honestly, this is something I thought about while watching the movie too, you know, like how a big part of it is like.
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Well, tomorrow, somebody's going to get to the sheriff's office and ask them to what did you say like run my information or whatever.
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That inspection number, I think.
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Yeah, the way that they have to hunt each other down and sort of the police following the trail and shit like.
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Now you they could just like, you know, paying him on their phones or whatever.
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I don't know like this idea of like a paper trail is not really.
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It's almost superfluous at this point with how many people have like a phone and shit.
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I mean, at the same time though, you know, you have to register your vehicle.
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You have to.
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In order to do anything in society at this point, you're like basically you're getting entered into a fucking database somewhere that's like accessible across the country.
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Yeah, I think social security.
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And what not was the start of that, but it's only become more and more complicated as times got on.
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Like everybody has a very, very long paper trail now.
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You buy a washing machine and mate tag has you.
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Because what does this take place in 1980?
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Yeah, that's right.
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So it's like.
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There was tracking and stuff then, but it was not nearly as advanced as it is now.
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There was still rely on a lot of like mostly just bunk science to get convictions like things like my analysis and blood sweaters and all that bullshit.
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Yeah, for not let you watch a made up version.
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Now they can just track you down with yourself.
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But that's the other thing too.
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The video uploaded to TikTok.
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I had to do the crime for the vine.
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Data reference.
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It is a dated reference.
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Not even a fucking app anymore.
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The other thing too is because of the time that.
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Luella doesn't even think that they're like bothered to check for a transponder in the in the cash.
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Yeah, that was kind of hard to imagine.
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It's because of how I guess it just wasn't a commonly thought of technology back then, especially.
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I guess in a rural area like rural Texas.
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Yeah, I guess I didn't think of that.
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I was struggling to explain why.
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I mean, wouldn't you go digging around in it?
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I feel like he just looks at the top layer and he's like, hmm, a lot of money.
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Like really?
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That's it.
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I kind of make sure it's like all the way to the bottom.
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What's at the center?
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You made this mistake.
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We do a few and that's our reasons you just take half.
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I would probably just taking a stack.
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Honestly, they're not even half just enough to be comfortable for a while.
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Like, you know what?
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I don't need the risks involved with this.
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Taking all of it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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They wouldn't notice a single bill.
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Yeah, you're right.
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A nice winner for free.
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Anyway, it's actually really take one out of each each band.
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It's not just 30 minutes.
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Trying to make it look the same.
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The idea is really funny, though.
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Put your dude just sitting there taking the air all the way,
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and I'm taking a one bill out of each one up, putting it back in the case.
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So do you want to start on the movies?
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Well, I saw it mostly.
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Oh, you had something you wanted to talk about.
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Yeah.
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So let me start with this.
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How much do you know about Woody Harrelson?
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Oh, I actually had this as a note about the plot of Woody Harrelson playing a hitman.
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It's interesting because of his dad.
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Okay.
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How much do you know about his dad?
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His dad is one of the people that's like potentially named as being an additional shooter for JFK.
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Damn it.
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You did know this.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, because I saw that in like, are you fucking for real?
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Yeah.
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So number one, the novel in the movie, it's mentioned, where's the bit?
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I had this up.
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I swear.
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And the novel, Sheriff Bell says, the dope dealers, I assume this is towards the anories,
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with the, at the diner with Tommy Lee Jones, that here a while back in San Antonio,
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Lee Shot and killed a federal judge.
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What about McCarthy?
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He said the story in 1980, 1979, a federal judge John Howland Wood was shot and killed in San Antonio
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by Texas freelance contract killer Charles Harrelson, father of Woody Harrelson.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, I forgot about that detail.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that's fucking nuts.
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Yeah.
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So that's, so Woody Harrelson's in the movie where one of his dad's crimes is mentioned.
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And then, yeah, I looked at it and read this off about the Kennedy.
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I'm like, all right, I got to bring this up.
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Yeah, I mean, that's insane.
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Like, Harrelson's a great example of how a lot of people that end up working in entertainment
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are intelligence nepo babies.
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Because that's what he is.
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And I'm thinking especially of, of Will Neff, the streamer in the modern era.
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He, his dad had one of the, like, I don't know what you call them, shell companies that this CIA was using to run coke in the 80s.
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So, yeah, it's like, it happens a lot.
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But entertainers are often the sons.
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Well, and that's whole like when we talked about Laurel Canyon, that's what that's about.
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But really like McGowan focused more on the children of celebrities with parents that were in the military that in intelligence.
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But it's all the same.
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Yeah.
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But like, I was reading that saying, like, are you fucking for real?
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Yeah, I actually did have a note for that.
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But I'm glad you've read it up.
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And I'm glad that you thought to talk into that because yeah, it's a, it's a big thing.
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Well, I've forgotten the judge detail.
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Like I, like, it's, it's compulsive.
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It has been for a long time that as soon as I finish watching a thing, I go right to read the IMDB trivia page and then the TV chapter of the image.
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And it's like the fourth or fifth thing down.
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I'm like, uh, actually, it's the second one ever.
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I'm like, wait, what, like that can't be real.
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I looked it up and yeah.
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And, uh, like that's fucking crazy.
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And that was before that was, uh, for even read the Kennedy stuff and like, oh.
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That's like,
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do you see this on a Wikipedia here that Matthew McConaughey?
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How do you say this guy?
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Yeah, McConaughey.
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Klaimed that he and Woody Harrelson who I've been lifetime friends could potentially be half brothers.
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Yes, yeah.
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Okay, that's pretty funny.
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I didn't see any of this.
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Yeah, I remember that article came out.
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I'm like, they said they weren't actually going to take a, uh,
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A good DNA test because they weren't sure if they wanted to know that.
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Like, that's, that's why it's awhile if it's uh, true.
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it would be really interesting too because the macona hay would also be benefiting from that same like
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uh pretzel or what was why wouldn't they want to know that it feels like they're they're spooked out
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by their own spookiness at that point well what's that that's the vibe that I got from it
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cacti is that they were yeah especially macona hay was picked up by the idea listen you can't you can't
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uh he can't spit roasts a girl with your half brother they they do share uh like that shitting right
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they're uh they're uh weener cousins and uh interdittactive so I need to see that I need to see that
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just just their season though I mean there's no spit roasting well but that's close enough
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that's not I don't listen I don't want to see that yeah I mean some people say macona is attractive
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I don't know if I see it and harrylson looks like a baby macona hay is I mean like I don't know I
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supposed to a certain type of person he's attractive and true detective but he mostly just looks
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like he's coked out and is that though does he have like the long hair in the beard in that or the
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mustache or the end not in the sexy because I only see the sexy the sexy is like pre him being
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crazy because I want to get sex with uh what do you hear all since characters what all right you
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said that uh because I just keep continue to see like the gif of him crack in the beer he gets uh
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the one gets coxed and uh interditts uh well it gets like mansioned out but he has crazy
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that's from some of the dialogue I've seen he's usually he's been crazy for the get
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well yeah I guess like it would be more accurate to say he leads into it
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in his nutso era
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so
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well
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movie time. Movie time. So Ed Tom, when he's opening up, because it opens up on like his monologue as
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Anton's escaping from jail, which I just noticed this time, and I don't know if this makes me
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stupider or smarter than the last time that I watched this. A little column, I love a column.
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The Ed Tom and Anton sound like exactly the same as name. It's not exactly the same, but they
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sound similar. And they serve as foils for each other. I didn't really notice this the first
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time that I was watching. And I don't know. I think it makes me stupider to have noticed the two
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names sound similar. This was my first time watching it, and I didn't notice. I feel like it's
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something that you wouldn't really be watching for the first time. But as he's giving his monologue,
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his monologue is about a sexually violent psychopath that like I think like rape is a 14 year old,
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and then talks about not knowing why he did it, says that it's like the devil or something.
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Oh, he said he just played, just planned on killing somebody. Yes. Yeah.
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There weren't no crime of passion. That's that's it. Yeah. He said he told me that he'd been
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planning to kill someone. At least that's what I remember, he says. You're right, you're right.
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But I thought this was interesting because there are two kinds of crimes that like the feds were
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both involved in cultivating sexually violent psychopaths and drug running. So it's not as though
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they should be a type of crime that he can't keep up with. And truly like I don't know about how
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you all thought about the title, but to me the title is somewhat ironic in that Ed Tom is not
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bested by the crime. He's just like he retires because he's unable to protect the people in his
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community from the events of the crime. He does a very good job following Anton throughout the movie.
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Byron Orlock coded. Yeah. He is Byron Orlock coded. I don't know whether this or that is going
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to come out first. I probably the Byron Orlock one. And this is how he'd like 10 people listen to both.
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You'd be surprised. But I thought that it was uh I guess yeah, I guess I thought that the
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title was kind of ironic because the crime does force him to retire but um he's able to do a good
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job solving better than anyone else. I guess with the exception possibly. Yeah of um what do
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Haroldson's character? Uh shit I don't know. Carson Wells. I mean who's the who's the young guy in
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this country? The fucking deputy who's kind of like a doofus? No he's always like but what
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Golly Sheriff we missed him. Right. I'm around like glazing him for his. I thought the deputy was
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uh Henry Cavill for a split second at first. Hmm just the way he was looking and like I'm like
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I let him like oh he is he is kind of a doofus. That is when? Do I believe Garrett Dilla Hunt?
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Yeah. Who auditioned five times through the role of uh the well and I read?
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Oh that's crazy. Yeah but I don't think he would have worked as well. No. He did really well
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as the dopy wendell. Yeah you need that guy. He makes Tommy Lee Jones look more confident even
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though he does a good job by himself. You talked about the doofiness of uh wendell I think the scene
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that like best emphasizes that is him laughing at uh at toms like at like uh anecdote about the
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murder. Yeah and he's like yeah sometimes you just gotta laugh. Yeah that's laugh or scream you
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let's pressure out somehow. So we open a lot of that there's a lot of like uh mentions of like kind
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of I don't know what you would call it like maybe like civility. You get this sense from like
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especially all the like nods obviously the non-merderous characters you know it's like oh you're
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telling me that he shot a man in the head and then went around digging with this pocket knife
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he's like well I dread to think about that or something. Uh all the characters are kind of like that
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I feel there's this yeah sorry you know it I think it contrasts really well with uh with
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blubberidian because these I think the townspeople are really envisioning this version of the west
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that is like it's the same thing as like with chivalry with knighthood it's like you think about like
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oh the idea of protecting women or something like that instead of like the raping and pillaging
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that they did and it's the same thing with the old west you think of like cowboys and like wild
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bill hickok and dock all the time and you don't think of things like the glanton gang
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back to my uh my dragging out of the Roman Empire guys
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you're dragging the Roman Empire guys yeah when I said the reason that so many dudes now are like
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that is they say all think they'd be Caesar wouldn't know they fucking wouldn't
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oh the dudes are man says the old west think they'd be Wyatt Earp and no they wouldn't
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um same with uh damn it I already forget the one you said before the old west
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oh knighthood yeah yeah they all think they'd be you know at the round table and no they'd be in a
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field at best oh yeah they would be serves they would be so lucky to be in the field to be honest
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that's true pretty good that was pretty good for a person back then
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yeah you could do a lot worse yeah
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the uh the interesting thing about that too is like um
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they're they're romanticizing something that was never there which is like a a hallmark of a
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of the fascist lens but I don't think anybody would ever really call the people of this town
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fascist even though like most Americans kind of are they have a latent level of Hitler particles
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yeah for sure I mean the sheriff at the uh closer to the end when he's like you know I never
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imagined I'd see somebody with green hair and a bone in their nose walking down the street yeah
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bone in their nose like the most racist fucking phrasing possible yeah and and he says you know it
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ain't it ain't the one thing it's the tide it's the tide they see it all as the same like the kid
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with green hair the violent rapist it's all part of the same thing it's like our more morality is
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falling apart or something which I think that that sort of like interpretation of reality is pretty
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fascist oh definitely that's uh straighter coated from into that it is straighter coated it's like uh
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I don't know if you're familiar with Paul Schrader-Cacti but he's like very religious it comes across
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in this films you know the other thing that's interesting too on the opening is the opening and I
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guess really just the opening he carries it with him very shortly after that it uses to break into
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mosses trailer but it features the captive bolt pistol that sugar uses which is like I probably
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like very famous even though it's not really in the movie for that long but one of the things that
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they wanted to bring up about the captive bolt pistol I don't know if either of you to remember this
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but for a while they were saying that Luigi Manjou and used a modified captive bolt pistol to kill
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that healthcare executive I did not see that actually yeah they were they were making
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there were plenty of evidence that was also a reference to
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oh catcher on the ride too so they were really hitting like all of your Jesus you're good program
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sigh off a Luigi David Chapman uh no I only ever read the ghost gun thing oh also the guy that
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picks up a sugar later after he um he chikes I yeah he does hit check at some point
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tells him that he shouldn't be hitchhiking which is like again another reference to the serial killer
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epidemic that we're like starting to come out of at this point oh that was uh moss yeah that was
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moss not sugar sorry even the young man like you so even if sugar had been hitchhiking as soon as
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someone pulled over they'd have been dead yeah he wasn't a fan of hearing the ride at all man he would
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very over not very green of him yeah his big taxes in 1980 what do you expect yeah I mean the guy
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he just killed won't be you know those grow those greenhouse gas emissions are gonna go to zero now
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I'm either you ever seen that like I judge but have I ever seen no country for cancel them no
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look you know I always keep it on it and that's game let's not what I heard
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I heard your town fault yeah well who said that you know who said it you thought Steve may
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you ask I keep it real with you honey I'm living rent free in your head
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no sis you're wrong I'm just sipping the tea your consultant that said chief the tea has been spilled
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the tea has been spilled can bar down have picked an accent and stuck with it oh my god I think so like
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other people have talked actually about that aspect his act not his accent but like
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how because I looked at some of the like academic writing that people have done about this movie
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before we we dove into it a little bit I don't really remember which person it was but one of them
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had written about how he represents like a possible more Hispanic background I was kind of
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interested in what you you thought of that guy is that he may be more Hispanic than like I guess
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from Spain then you had posted about how like the people from Mexico are brown because of
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native ancestry and I guess they were saying that they thought that
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um
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bar dab's character that sugar did not have very much native ancestry and represented that kind of like
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I guess colonizer spirits
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yeah I didn't get that but I mean I guess it would make some some type of sense considering that
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you know he is kind of like the judge I don't know how much I can bring up blood marini and
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considering it's not about that book but you know no I actually had a whole like a side where I
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wanted to talk about the similarities between sugar and the judge so I courtes sugar
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he does I mean I didn't I didn't really get too much of that while I was watching it just because
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it's less it's it feels less grounded in that sort of like
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colonial background as something like blood marini and I think that but I mean yeah I guess
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that that's my bad because it just it does take place in Texas and they even cross the border and
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stuff and oh yeah I didn't get that vibe super heavily but like you know how it is for the
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academic writing is like people tend to want to read and do it there's this
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conspiracy theory studies sometimes people want to read and do it their specific area of study
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and I think that might be an element of what's happening there too but I think it like
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would I read that it's slightly resonated with me but not not heavily either now
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yeah I think the the character of Anton to me just kind of seems like a man out of time you know
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he kind of seems like he kind of fell out of the sky or something like he's not from anywhere I
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can't tell where this motherfucker's from oh he's Tommy Wiseau coated
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kind of Wiseau also has like a nondescript access
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yeah what is that a fucking speech impediment it doesn't sound like a
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access from anywhere
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so I like everybody is able to do an impression of him because he's really like doing
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an hard to do accident or anything he's just talking weird for the moon
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but actually I you brought up the blood marady in comparison there were a couple similarities
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that I noticed between sugar and the judge I felt like kind of similar to how the judge
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sees himself as a a personification of the devil like that is what he is in the book but he also
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sees himself that way and is kind of like high on his own supply even though he's not literally
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the devil he kind of in some ways thinks he is sure he is to me sugar is the same thing with the
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personification of death instead of the devil that he feels like he is this this like almost
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supernatural or metaphysical killing force that has to exist and the other characters like that
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the other similarity that I do like the character I like both characters like both characters
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are interesting they're compelling characters for sure yeah they also both I mean well
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um Anton I think more just literally has like slasher from a you know serial killer from a slasher
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film where it's like you no matter how fast you run how many doors you lock behind you they're
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still coming at like the same speed slowly but surely they're gonna get to you
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yeah oh oh no uh formal um I uh I did read that the co-ins had worked really hard not to make this
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seem like too similar to the Terminator yeah that makes it complete yeah absolutely another one I
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haven't seen oh my god it is great yeah right uh the other so the other similarity to between them
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is that um the judge and uh sugar both kill characters that challenge their kind of like
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delusions of grandeur where uh the judge at the end kills the kid
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yeah it's largely because the kid doesn't buy his bullshit
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and um sugar kills Carla Jean at the end because I we don't know this at least in the uh
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how's it about a thing oh it's it's pretty heavily implied
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but because he checks his shoes yeah it is pretty heavily implied he's checking to see that he
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didn't leave evidence behind or isn't tracking blood out of the house well I I assume I read that
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it was yes like the blood on him like after he kills uh what he harrowson like as the blood is
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coming out he lifts his legs up so he can put on him right like the shower curtain bit
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yeah now I saw that the same way but he he kills uh Carla Jean at the end because she refuses to
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call the coin to us and uh there's uh there's a there's a similarity there too and also I
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knew it is that this uh the book the novel like the novelization so dumb of a phrasing for it
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well if it helps if it helps uh McCarthy did it originally write it as a screenplay
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I didn't know that I do that's why it's uh a little sparser than those other books
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yeah I tried to listen to the audiobook um a couple days after I watched a movie and I couldn't
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do it because it was literally it was like a screenplay like it was uh I was like this is the same
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fucking story I I can't pay attention to it because it's literally saying the it's like
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describing the movie out loud to me in my head the apparently the book is jazz just like
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pretty beat by beat with the movie I don't know if either of you guys read it I did not I try it I couldn't
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I was just glad that I was able to get blood veridian before we did this because they
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there weren't like a lot of similarities yeah for sure yeah I didn't I even think Lou ellen's
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really similar to the kid yeah yeah and they're both kind of they're both kind of like
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directionless and get caught in by some form of greed or or promise of some form of benefit you know
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like I don't know what the actually I don't know what the hell the kid was thinking he's more
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directionless than even Moss because at least Moss is trying to get that I think it's more a story
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about greed like we said you know he could have taken a few bills and ran off he would have been fine
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but he wanted the whole thing baby he's also like uh the kid's more aimless which I think uh yeah
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in I feel like in a modern era it does even like resonates more with a modern audience even
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than then Moss would yeah for sure a lot of people feel directionless right now you know we talked
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about the like the fascist elements of what Ed Tom was saying with the other sheriff but they're
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the other thing that is kind of fascistic about his worldview is how he he sees like a great
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violence coming and he's just like yeah I don't know what drove my little farm
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uh ride the horses with my wife
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yeah this is uh this is a strictly anti-zionist podcast and I'll ask you not to make references to
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Borat it's it's reflexive all right yeah oh one thing that I wanted to mention about that
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connection maybe not bring up so much blood veridian anymore but the judge and um Anton do you have
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this similar uh worldview and really like it's this it's expressed this metaphysical interpretation
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of reality where they say you know it's like the coin thing I got here the same way the coin did
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it's like for me what the way I interpreted that is that everyone's just kind of being moved along
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through history and through time they're they're not making their own decisions really it's just an
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illusion and so that's why he does like the thing where he flips the coin and he's kind he doesn't feel
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any sense of regret or guilt for any of his killings because you know he's like the judge or
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anyone he's like anyone else in that he's he is just he's a he's a ball rolling down a slope
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you know he's gonna he's already gonna has a predestination and everything moves the way it's
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opposed to and and that's that's fine by him it doesn't bother him Calvinism that's I was
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expecting no it is Calvinism again it's that uh because they're really big on predestination
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well and I also think that's why he he's seen like distress at the end when I Carlygina wouldn't
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call it because like as long as he's playing on to his set of rules or what he believes uh he's not
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actually responsible or I think he just moved me the way the universe is moving him yes yes so when
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she's like I'm not calling it he's like uh you got a it well and you know what Dean I didn't even
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realize that but like him feeling flustered there and being like no you have to do this it parallels
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the scene with um I keep on calling Woody Harrelson Carson Wells I mean uh because he he says
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it would you would have more dignity if you would just admit that like where you are like what position
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that I have you in yeah and he also can't admit the position that Carlygina has hidden like he cannot
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admit that if she doesn't call it she'll still feel the need to have to kill her because of what
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he had said earlier to Luella and just because um clearly he likes killing yeah it's almost like the
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coin is the only thing that justifies not killing for him the only thing that sort of gets this
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compulsion away because he sees himself as just being moved along it's like the coin is a a symbol a
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sort of placeholder for the for the universe for for the for gravity itself you know he's letting
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the universe decide uh because if it's up to him he's gonna kill yeah yeah no I think that's a really
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important like the only way to spare someone is to have uh is to give up his agency because his
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agency is just to kill yeah I agree with that I like a little bit off what we're talking about but I
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really like the part where he's in the gas station and he asked he's asking the guy like how long
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have you lived here or and he's like oh it used to be my my father's place and then he kind of
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lets out this chuckle he's like you married into it he clearly does not have any any respect for
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like these like what from his perspective he opens yes yeah fun little fact but the gas station
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I forgot speaking of uh intelligence in the entertainment industry the gas station was also used
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in the movie red dawn oh damn the original gas station yeah damn I didn't notice that
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yeah that's where they go and they I love that part where they go on their little blue pickup and
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they put up with a Coca-Cola in the back of the truck it's like the reds the reds are here the
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chikoms we got to go and stock up on Coca-Cola that's the looking gas station that's pretty crazy
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oh yeah that's so such burger right behavior yeah I did mention uh with brawl is the only option
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in the face of evil is one of the themes oh but I didn't mention this uh since there's a sense of
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impending doom that pervades over the story as characters interact with their own agency in
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different ways this is like relevant to the uh what we just talked about uh and shiger's way to
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interact with his sense of agency is the kointas is this cacti already brought up um but like other
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characters are unable to um Carla Jean is one of those she just kind of accepts her fate uh
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luella like fries to but is ultimately unsuccessful uh he tries to outplay shiger does temporarily but
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is unable to keep up with a professional hitman over a sustained period of time yeah but it's not even
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shiger that gets him isn't it no it's the mexicans oh that's right that's right uh and I I actually
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really like that uh he's he's taking out so unceremoniously at off-screen because like
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really shows like he had no place in these events and they don't give it shit about him like
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the universe like he's just like now you were the wrong place wrong time and decided to run with it
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yeah like you weren't supposed to be here you weren't supposed to know this happened you weren't supposed
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to be involved at all so uh uh it's it's time to go but um actually before that oh no you go you go
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okay i did i wasn't good that i was just gonna say yeah the first time i watched it it was a bit
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jarring saying like a character that you that has been on screen so long just be like you know
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gunfire off-screen boom corpse it's like damn it's another parallel with blood meridian is the the
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POV character dies technically before the story ends though the kid dies much closer to the end than
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the the moss yeah moss dies like maybe 80% of the way through the movie where's the kid dies like 99
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percent of the way through the book yeah i also thought once i saw him tell like oh it's over uh
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i mentioned this like when we opened but ed tom and antonas foils of competency for one another
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as well as like other traits they're both really good at what they do uh to the point where they
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show down at the hotel crime scene after uh the same conversation that we talked about earlier
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where uh red tom is talking with the other sheriff they talk about the green hair and the tides uh
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he has the realization that andtons realized that like small police departments are not going to
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stake out at a police at a crime scene overnight and so a safe place for him to return to is the
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scene of the crime and uh ed tom realizes this and goes back to the hotel room while uh sugar is
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in there and strangely this is the only time that we see sugar spare somebody without a coin to us
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well no that's not what happens oh no uh no there were uh there were two rooms he could have
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got into and uh sugar was in one and at time went in the room he wasn't in well then why was
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this why was the air the great unscrewed uh i don't know but he wasn't in that one because if
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watched this shot from uh when he sees your sugar in the room uh the door opens the opposite direction
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but i assume that that that that would be uh uh an air i would have i would have
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great sunscreen because he escapes through the air duct right he escaped why would he why would
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he just kill him i assume that uh moss did the same thing with the the bag of money there they had
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before oh so maybe he came in and got the money through the other guy i see i just read the language
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of that scene because there were two possibilities uh two rooms that sugar could have been
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and that was the coin to us and ed tom picked correctly that makes sense then he never spare
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someone without a coin to us that was the only possible flaw that i had in that agency uh reading
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you said i was also expecting him to be blown away i'm like oh fuck yeah see i thought you
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what's the deal with the shotgun that thing that like is it is that real you know what i mean like
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if it wasn't and it makes people ragged all when he shoots it wasn't but there are similar
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there are still other voices now uh there were not silence shotguns before no and i don't even think
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before the movie no i'm looking at this thing because i what i read was that people saw like oh that's
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cool as shit and like it didn't exist so people had to big lead make it
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and i can be wrong i'm the i'm the way expert of firearms
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uh higher and per se maxed on this credited with inventing the first commercially successful
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firearms silencer which could be used on shotguns around 1902 it might be too that like the specific
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type of uh i think that might be what it was uh a post movie invention
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hmm yeah there's no way that it's that quiet in real life so i know no no like they always
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exaggerate the effects of silencer movies that's a big thing that's why because i've known it
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that's why intelligence agents prefer like the nine millimeter because it is that quiet when
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you put a silencer on it it's basically like whisper quiet the uh nine millimeter with sub-sonic
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rounds i think specifically is pretty quiet i don't know i look dude i i don't know anything
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about guns but i saw a youtube video of a guy shooting a little pea shooter gun with a silencer on
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it and he didn't say they were special rounds and that shit was just like yeah it sounded like
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just like the fucking clicking and shit was louder than the actual like explosion of the round
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i mean i could buy it i'm not a big gun guy so i don't really know of course in my head i'm thinking
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like damn that's what they do man that's what the feds are doing silencer guns yeah for sure
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i really so quiet it was i was like damn i had no idea a gun could be that quiet
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and jimmy had that were bell series come out and that's what he was doing
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and he is clearly a fed so the feds were silencer guns in the in the uh the discussion of in
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well-read soviet i put a picture of the of the of the kids loading the Coca-Cola into the back
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of a pickup truck if you guys wanted to see that from red dog oh yeah that's the gas station
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there that's the gas station i've never seen that movie either i think i saw it on tv ages i'm
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good i don't like one it's it's it's awesome dude you have to watch it they're watching like a
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they're doing like a football game i think i think they're having a football game and now i
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like a high school and like chinese dudes or is it russian so i think it was russian i think it's
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a combination of all of them ethnically diverse communists rain out of the sky and just start like
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mowing everybody down so the kids jumping a pickup truck and like the first thing they do is going
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like load up on Coca-Cola's and that movie rules yeah yeah it's so fucking yeah it's definitely
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like burger rike level of what speak your fetish like that's what i mdb said
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yeah they agreed like i said that's just what like i'm not taking the guy for the model okay uh
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oh no i would totally believe that that there was no silencer for the remington semi-auto shotgun
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before the movie existed or before the movie was made that that's what i'd read
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i think there were probably shotgun silences just not for that model of shotgun right
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you've seen a fucking tank silencer i have seen this because they exist and that's that's but it's the
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size of a watch my ampedals bananas those aren't silencers that they're the other thing uh like
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i don't even know i don't know the sea i said it's a gun but it looks like a silencer but it's not
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a silencer i don't know what the fucking word is it's a loud nerf
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see do you know why uh both cats and both sonners aren't used for like uh like i cattle anymore
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why not uh because uh they could spend pre-owned diseases between cows
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oh cuz you're moving brain with you know between different cows like quick and that's why like
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you don't really read about med cow that much anymore
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because i remember as a kid like that there was a lot of like scared about that like the late 90s
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and now it's like oh i know just i'm like covering it up i maybe yeah
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sometimes that some days i do feel like i have mad cow disease or something
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you know it's very weird you know i'm gonna see a med cow let me show you my mother law
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oh
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i was supposed to say that line good back at that you can't do is gonna rod these me
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i don't know what do they use to kill cows now
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shit i don't know do i look like a farmer oh wait i kind of do this
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i think they pipe in um i know i know with at least some slaughterhouses for some animals
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they will um pipe it like a carbon dioxide
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oh that's a gas the cow yeah they when they start them of oxygen yeah
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that's pretty rough no wonder steaks have gotten so much tougher
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like they say that it reduces the stress response like that's what the slaughterhouse is
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save but then there are like studies that say actually it increases the stress response
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yeah literally everything they do to them is humane when they describe it
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yeah we do this we we lock it up in the cage upside down because it helps them relax
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yeah it looks like fucking the Spanish episode right here but it's like yeah i don't actually
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have fun editing this one why i don't know how much this year will even i was gonna leave a lot of it
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and it's a bonus episode i know you're right yeah yeah it's their own fault
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they paid to hear us have fun it's relevant we're talking about cattle guns the big part of the moon
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cattle the cattle guns sounds like a weird sports fan group or a shitty 80s country band
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and we've sprinkled some potion and allisis throughout so there's like i you know people on twitter
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just the other day we're arguing about the interpretation of of shiger's coin flips and
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yeah someone had said that it makes him like the same quality of villainous two-faced and Batman
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i played metameli jones yeah actually that's that's interesting
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now we're with with the goings-os but it's just like just because they share two traits
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or one trait really yeah one does not mean that they're uh uh similar characters in any
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respect of other than that no but then i you got to wonder how uh brolin and uh bardam
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agree to each other on day one of dune
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wait is bardam in dune he's still gar oh yeah yeah he just looks wildly different
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well he always looks wildly different than he does in this movie i made the same mistake i
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like i thought he ended up doing the the same career thing that the jirard butler did or they
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went from action movies to romcoms but bardam didn't not really i mean he did do some romcoms but
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yeah i don't i don't know what he did on tv in spain i don't know i know i'm really
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american romcoms i know but i'm saying i don't know what he did on spain oh i said before he got
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to start yeah yeah i got you i got you i don't think he's been i noticed i had to be up here he was in
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at least one bond movie yeah he was a vongolin he was in that parts the Caribbean movie and it
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didn't know existence like a last year i can't believe people are making this i didn't know there was
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very passionate what's the very passionate about this movie i was reading some arguments that people
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are having and i didn't hear anyone or read any of the people mentioned like the sort of Calvinism
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or that i don't know maybe on twitter they did did you see something like that no i didn't
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the nation of clink i think we just said it because we just watched hardcore which is about
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Calvinists but like it's relevant are that i didn't you watch all these movies it gives you a
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greater lens to talk about the other ones and find the wagland and i'll all expand on this later
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when you made that bit said a bit about uh jake being the pod mascot i really watched that scene
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he's a fucking asshole yeah i don't want that fucking shit attached to this i have the ass hole here
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i was being ironic oh it doesn't work as well in text yeah
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he's uh he's not a good guy in that movie which we'll get into tomorrow
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yeah yeah i didn't call it Calvinism but i do agree with your guy with you guys
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calling it that i did yeah i did i did i'm what i'm saying is i haven't seen anyone give that
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interpretation of it because i checked i was reading and i thought everything everyone was saying
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was really fucking dumb and cringe but i was also on read it so you know
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haha no i don't disagree with you i like i see people discuss literature online it is real bad
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i don't see a lot of really good interpretation i think because this movie was like actually good
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and um because there's not a lot of like plot heavy details that are really
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worth discussing it's more like imagery and theme and stuff like that um
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this is a really great one to actually flex our a little bit of literary analysis chops a little bit
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because uh when i see people talk about literature online it's it's fucking nutritious
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yeah i think that's definitely the comparison to the judge too really
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they like lends itself to that explanation because the judge goes on longer monolongs about his
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philosophy and his idea of the world and i just got to imagine that Anton would find himself
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agreeing with all of that yeah it probably means that he wouldn't even bother listening because
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he's too busy trying to go kill someone no he would like uh you could see shigeru is like the perfect
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enforcer for the glanton gang yeah like he would uh he would be there uh their muscle like in a heartbeat
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uh with uh the judges the brains i don't even know if i finished my thoughts but like this the
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novel came out because i called it a novelization that i was like oh my god that's crazy uh but it came
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out 20 years after liberty and like almost the exact same year 85 2005 um yeah so it almost felt like it was
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um a man looking back at how his career started and echoing like a lot of the same things
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huh which is like what ed tom is is doing in the movie and the book i see this well and read the book
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well like i just said like it's fucking the the same thing yeah yeah and i i i i i
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what i read like the coans didn't really change a whole like the dialogue as i was verbatim
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though they did cut some things i read but i forget what and i might give the book another shot but i
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i don't have the book i'm blood red even so i might give down on the shot but yeah i think i
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got something the dean that said that we like one of them tied for the other dictated like back and forth
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and that was pretty much how they hurt the script uh so it must be pretty close to the book
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and even the way that it ends is really bleak and i think maybe that means that uh macartheid knew that
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cancel culture would come from him when it realized that he was unwoke enough to have sex with a 15-year-old
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um our peep Murphy coded yes you know tied the tide yeah that's the tide the tide of cancel culture comes
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for every pet or asked um jesus but ed tom is like uh looking back on his dead dad as he's now retired
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and i thought the note that it ended on was incredibly bleak oh yeah possibly bleaker than the other
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two movies that we watched this week which were about the sex trade industry and snuff
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so i let you know how philosophically bleak i thought they were um where the dream the last
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dream that he recounts to his wife is that he dreams that his father was like up ahead lighting the
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way for him all right then to both have my father and i'm in speculier i'm older now and he ever was
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by 20 years so you know since he's the younger man anyway the first one i don't remember too well but
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there's about meeting him in town somewhere he can give me some money i think i lost it
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the second one it was like we was both back in the older times and i was a horseback going through
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mountains of a night going through this past in the mountains it was cold and it was snow on the ground
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he wrote past me and kept on going never said nothing going by just wrote on past me that is blanket
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wrapped around his head down when he wrote past i see he was carrying fire in a horn the way
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we used to do my i could see the horn from the light inside of it about the color of the moon
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and then the dream i knew that he was going on ahead he's fixing the microfire somewhere out there
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and all that dark no that cold i knew that whenever i got there he'd be there
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now woke up essentially saying that like when he died that he would see his dad again and then he says
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and then i woke up and it's like he almost gets to have a silver lining to everything but then he
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wakes up and realizes he feels the exact same way that he did before when he was talking to his cousin
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where he says that he doesn't believe it that god never came for him later in life he thought he
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thought he would feel close to religion but it never happened and that's something else that i didn't
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see people talk about online at all it's like how dark the ending is
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it's it has a very existential darkness it's really different from the darkness we've been
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watching for two hours yes yeah instead of the yeah that's a good point because it's not as visceral
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or a smack in the face as Anton Shiger yeah it doesn't you really have to either be paying
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attention to it or like on your second or third viewing yeah i think that's true because like i
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said i understood you i'm like wait a minute was it all a dream because the way he described that
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first dream and he thought of his young and his father gave him some money and then he lost it like
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wait a minute it was the movie just a dream how do you all interpret that first dream i was a little
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confused by that i thought it was just a plot of the movie found some money that he lost it oh duh
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you're right you're right it is the plot of the movie so i was like wait was the whole thing a dream
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the first dream was him because i mean that is dreams often art like you're assimilating the
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events that you've lived recently into your into your memory yeah so the first dream was just him
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recounting what's already happened and the second dream was like the dark ominous ending note of
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there being no afterlife which like also would possibly
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if McCarthy is a rapist
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and he is well was he's dead right uh i always think the desire for there not to be an afterlife is like uh
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wishful uh thinking thing because it's like oh i've done something horrid so if there's no afterlife
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that's the best option for me uh wait uh kiss and drink coated yeah
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that's all i had on the movie if anybody else wants to say anything
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uh
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try to do something deep like i got nothing i shouldn't have put off watching the movie till last night
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i watched it i watched it as soon as you told me that this was going to be the movie and then i
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watched it literally like right before i was trying to get on the call yeah sad i should have
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twice yeah but it's i don't know certain things do just like the i couldn't even remember first of all
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right now when i was watching it i couldn't remember how it ended i just remember that um
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mosque it's shot by the cartel i i was pretty upset about that the first time i watched it because his
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mom's like just you know you know loose-clipped sink ships type shit yeah this like random guy comes
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up like oh where are you going and she just tells them everything she will not shut up she's in the
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car she won't shut up in the car complaining i'm just i personally i have no sympathy for her so
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and he got him killed yeah i know that if it was real life i'd feel differently about it but it's a
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movie so you know i was kind of rooting for him i was i was rooting for loelon yeah no it was too money
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he has a new fashion name as well yeah loel and mosque talking about like the the
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marketing back to an old age that didn't exist
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who owns loelons like a 1800s name or like early 1900s name it seems like a certain name
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were to me the first name but pretty sure i had like a great uncle luelon it's like another
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one weird ass fucking name on my mom's side another coen's uh i think like inside Lewin Davis it's
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Lewin but i keep my brain wants to say loelon Davis
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i thought it was loelon Davis as well it's it's not it's lle wyn
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oh that's Lewin yeah yeah and i'm like uh which i need to watch it i've heard it's really good but
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what's your favorite combo with this movie
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woo i know it's what it's it i'm wearing a big little oscarita t-shirt for recording
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but i actually did it's margo they didn't they do um what's the cowboy one
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true grit no i'm thinking of something
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they did true the ballad of buster scrugs they they do that oh yeah they did that one yeah
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i like that one yet either i i have trouble picking between millers crossing and uh
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Barton thing oh millers crossing too oh that Barton Jesus they have a lot of heavy hitters
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there's yeah because like and here's the as much as i love it
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lapowski's like my second least favorite combo with this movie yeah it's not super high for me
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having some work it's a good movie it's a really good movie but yeah i equated to be like
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like rush to the Beatles or something it's like yeah it's my second least favorite of theirs but
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i'd still rather watch it than like a lot of other shit
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so if that's all we have to say then uh stay safe out there uh and just just avoid Texas
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like not just wake up i get it everywhere in general stay in order
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for one system is trying to change the other system
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devil's handy word
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murder executive action what affairs as they call it
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has been a part of the institutionalized action force
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because it deals with gaining the objectives short of the terror war
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and it presents to the list but the various themes that it promocates
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what i call a wilderness of mirrors
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now watch it drive
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they can have you believe over they deserve you believe
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and if you have them as they do to control the number of both
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not both of the ball forms a communication with the west
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will it be the media