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The Greater Depression Is Here
In this episode of the Rich Dad Radio Show, Robert Kiyosaki discusses the concept of the 'Greater Depression' and the importance of financial preparedness. Joined by Doug Casey, they explore...
The Greater Depression Is Here
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This is the Rich Dad Radio Show, the good news and bad news about money.
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Here's Robert Kiyosaki.
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Robert Kiyosaki, Rich Dad Radio Show, we're broadcasting from Phoenix, Arizona, where it's
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either heaven or hell, but lately it's been wet.
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I haven't seen so much water come down.
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People actually died in flash floods.
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So there's an interesting time of year in Phoenix, Arizona.
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Our friend's longtime friend Doug Casey.
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He and I, we talk in different places, but we finally met Doug.
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I think it was at the Nomad Capitalist Show in Cancun or something like that, where we
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went face to face.
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I think you're right.
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I think that was during the Great COVID hysteria, wasn't it?
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Anyway, it was good to go face to face, finally, but now we, and then by the way, Doug
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has a, the good sense to live in Argentina and Uruguay and America.
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So he's a unique perspective on the world, and I'm helping.
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He helped.
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This is his latest book here called The Preparation, and I told him I would help plug the book.
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Doug, I think the name of this book should be called The Preparation to Be a Soldier of
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Fortune.
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Now, it's because Doug, you and I are soldiers of fortune.
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You know, we eat what we kill.
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And today I meet, I meet young men who are holding onto their 401K, sitting in a mommy
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and daddy's basement, playing video games.
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And this book, The Preparation was written for them because I think they should go
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to the honies and go out in the world and become a soldier of fortune because it's a big
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exciting world out there.
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You know, I was just in Zimbabwe last week.
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Man, it's exciting.
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And I think, wasn't it you, was somebody like you who said, if you were 25 years old, you
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moved to Africa or something like this because that's one thing I've been saying for a
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long time actually because I like to get honored.
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I don't like to be on a level playing field when I'm on it.
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I like it when the playing field is tilted in my direction.
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And Africa is that place where if you're, if you're an American, they're very interested
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in talking to you.
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And I've found in a lots of countries that within a week or two, you can be sitting
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down with the president.
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You just have to have something reasonable to talk to him about.
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So lots of opportunities because you have more collections, more connections, more capital,
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more expertise than the locals do.
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So it can be a win-win situation if you're a young man and you look at Africa.
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But I guess that's one of the reasons I wrote the book.
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It's in the book, what we're trying to do is tell young man why they should not
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misallocate for years in their time and a whole bunch of money to go to college and
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be indoctrinated with absolutely sick ideas and accessible and use that time to pick up
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skills and in fact turn themselves into a Renaissance man.
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Yeah, I call this before it's and you can just go where you want to go and do what you
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want to do wherever you want to do it.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, so that by the time you, if you follow the plan that we lay out in the preparation,
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you should be able to be air dropped in the Congo and walk out of there happy, healthy
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and rich after a period of time.
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Yeah, that's the way life ought to be lived.
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So if you're living in a mother's basement and you're a male under 25 and you're hoping
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your 401k keeps you alive, I would get this book immediately because you needed badly.
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It's called the preparation.
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You know, you both get out there into this world.
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It's a fabulous world.
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It's exciting as hell.
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Well, it is.
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It's always fun talking to you, Robert, because I know you just came back from Zimbabwe
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and in the week after next, I'm going to Azerbaijan, which is another country that few
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people have been to or even know about.
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And then you live in Argentina, which is just beautiful women and beautiful leather goods.
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Yeah, your gouchos and all that are just incredible.
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What an exciting.
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It's a great country.
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It's almost half the size of the US, but there's only 40 million people.
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And it's a wide open country.
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It's like the Old West from the glaciers in the South to the Andes to the beaches.
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It's a great place.
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Yeah.
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So I get this book here, the preparation is called Become a Soldier of Fortune.
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You can go to a city like Buenos Aires, Argentina, which is so gorgeous.
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It's like a European city dropped itself in America.
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And so well, I've been to Cincinnati once.
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I mean, give me a break.
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I mean, I mean, somebody American men who sit in the basement playing video games, hoping
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their 401k works.
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What is wrong with it?
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Well, I don't know.
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They're acting like houseplants.
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And acting like a houseplant is not a good survival strategy for a human, especially not
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in the kind of times that we're headed into right now.
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And I'm wondering, Robert, whether the assassination of Charlie Kirk is one of those tipping points,
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much like the assassination of JFK was back in 1963.
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It might be.
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And that's one of those questions I was going to ask you.
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As an American sitting in South America looking into our country, what do you see?
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What's going on in it?
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I hate to say it because I love America.
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It's a unique country.
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It's the only country in world history that was founded on the principles of free speech
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and free minds and free markets.
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But I'm afraid that it's become corrupt and degraded.
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And I think we're in for something I call the greater depression.
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A period of time when most people stand real living.
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Drops significantly.
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And I think it's going to be much different and much longer than what we had from 1929 to 1946.
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Yeah.
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And worse also.
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And so we're going in that direction.
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Since you and I are now the senior citizens of this generation.
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How are you prepared for it?
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Or what would you recommend a person who prepared for it?
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If you saved the dollar, America is printing $2 trillion a year.
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Like a Zimbabwe was.
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Yeah.
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Why would you save the dollar?
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It's crazy to save the dollar.
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But you have to save.
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It's important to produce more than you consume and save the difference.
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But what do you save it in?
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You can't save dollars.
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They're hot potatoes.
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It's an IOU nothing.
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I'm a part of a bankrupt government.
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So I've used gold and silver as savings vehicles forever.
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So I bought my first gold at around $40 an ounce and I've never sold an ounce.
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So I still have it all and lots of silver.
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I hate to advise people to buy gold now because before it was obviously depressed relative
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to everything else.
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Now, it seems to me gold is more or less where it should be relative to cars, houses, clothes.
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I think it could go 10 to 1 from here for different reasons.
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But not because it's underpriced.
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But you have to save the problem is what do you save in and now?
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It's a tougher situation than people have ever been in before.
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I think gold is still relatively underpriced.
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It's just going higher.
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Yeah.
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And then you would, what Buffett's been saying, which is a concern that I have.
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He says the worst thing is going to hit the boomer generation with their 401Ks is inflation.
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No matter how much they have in their 401K and we're spending two trillion more than we pull
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in, they're probably going to be popular.
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That's right.
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I mean, you buy your average stock and maybe it's yielding two or three percent, something
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like that.
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But the dollar is losing value at, you can't believe the government's figures.
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You can't believe the US government's figures anymore.
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You can believe the Argentine government's figures.
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The dollar is losing value in real terms in between five and 10 percent per year.
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So what do you do?
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I know real estate has always treated you extremely well because it's a real asset.
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But is real estate getting overpriced too?
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Well, you can always fight a bargain.
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I mean, that's what I like about real estate.
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There was somebody always in the cell mode.
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This is a liquid market.
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This is another question I want to ask you because being an Argentine, this guy, Javier
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Miele, he took the chainsaw.
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When you saw Trump and Musk get together, was there a glimmer of hope from you?
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Listen, I was a huge fan of those and what Musk wanted to do.
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But those just basically disappeared.
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And Trump is spending money like a drunk sailor at this point.
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So I wonder his relation with Musk is not what's up.
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That correct you.
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Drunk sailor spend their own money.
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That's a good point.
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That's a good point.
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Keep going, keep going.
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Well, those is the only thing that could save the US government from total and abject bankruptcy
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and defaulting on all of its obligations, which is going to happen.
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But the problem is that Argentina had one of the worst economies in the world
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and the people got totally fed up.
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And they elected Javier Miele, who said that he wanted to take a chainsaw to everything
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the government does.
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And he did wonderful things.
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He fired scores of thousands of worthless government employees, cut the budget in many
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places.
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But he's made some mistakes.
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Like he said he was going to abolish the central bank.
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They're equivalent to the fed in this country.
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He didn't do it.
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Big mistake.
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He shouldn't have defaulted on all of Argentina's foreign debts.
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Why?
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That money was all stolen by the previous administration.
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So he shouldn't turn the next generation of Argentines or for that matter of Americans
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into serfs paying off debt that was pissed away, quite frankly.
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So he should have defaulted on that.
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And now he's borrowing more money from the US government.
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Well, of course the US government doesn't have the money either.
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It's printing up the money.
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So I don't know.
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I love Argentina.
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And it's as a place to hang out.
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It's one of the best in the world.
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But I hope Millay doesn't blow it by losing the plot, which is basically taking a chain
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thoughts on the government.
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Okay.
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Well, you and I understand the ballistics fairly well.
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Bullets.
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Yes.
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Do you think Trump and Elon backed off because of what they didn't want to happen to them,
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what happened to Charlie Kirk?
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Yeah.
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And what you just said is very apropos because you know, the reporting of what happened to
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Charlie Kirk is so substandard.
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They just repeat the same thing over and over again.
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No new information.
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No explanation of what really happened.
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The only place you can see an explanation is on the sites on the internet.
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But as I look at that assassination, they say that he was shot from 200 yards away with
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the Mauser.
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Well, they'd no meat or worth 30 out of six.
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But if that had been the case, I'm afraid Charlie's head would have been slotted all over
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the stage.
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But there was just a tiny little hole in his neck and they can't find the bullet.
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So obviously it happened from near at hand.
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And where's the bullet?
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In fact, where's the autopsy?
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There's so many things that don't fit together with this.
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It's like all of the major assassinations that we've had in the last, well, since JFK
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anywhere.
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Yeah.
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So ladies and gentlemen, my friend Doug Casey, when friends for a long time here, I look
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forward to his podcast all the time because he's always got something to say to upset
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people to make some think go think what what did he say?
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Well, when we come back, we talking more to Doug because he lives in a wonderful part of
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the world, Argentina.
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Plus you're a guy, I believe.
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And now you're just a big barrier.
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And anyway, so when we come back, I'm going to find Doug's point of view on what's going
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on inside America.
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We've arrived.
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Welcome back, Robert Kiyosak, the Restorator Show, a long time friend, Doug Casey.
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I listen to his podcast every week, every week.
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He says something that goes, what what did he say?
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And it's always gets me to think.
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And I think that's what we need to do is think a little bit more today, only help them
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sell this book here.
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I looked it over.
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I haven't read it yet.
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What is called the preparation, really what it is is a guidebook for global capitalists
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or soldiers of fortune because that's what Doug and I really are.
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We're soldiers of fortune.
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We travel the world.
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We eat what we kill.
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We can make money anywhere we want to.
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And this is this book's preparation.
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It's how you prepare for a life of adventure.
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I mean, some of the young men, they sit in their basement playing video games.
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What is wrong with the men today, you know?
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I don't know.
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They don't even go out with the women today.
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Maybe that's because a lot of the women today have purple and blue hair and the values
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that go with that.
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I mean, they're actively dangerous hanging out with women like that.
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Their liability, not an asset.
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So they're not attracted to women.
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You've got a whole class of young men that are termed in cells.
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I mean, it's part of the sickness that's eating in America itself at this point.
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Robert, it really is.
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It's funny.
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It's not the land of the free and the home of the brave anymore.
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That's ancient history.
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That's what it used to be.
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But the country has slowly transformed, especially over the last 50 or 60 years, where it's
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become soft.
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It has no moral values.
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I think it's headed down the shoots.
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And I hate to say that because I'm a huge fan of America as a concept.
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The concept of America is the greatest political concept that ever was, quite frankly.
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But it's being washed away and to a cesspool.
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So all you can do is, I mean, you can't go out and hope to change things politically
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because the political system is terminally corrupt.
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The system itself is very degraded at this point.
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So I don't believe in political solutions.
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It would be nice if one occurred.
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But what you've got to do is save yourself.
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And that's why we wrote that book because it's a guide book, specifically of what a young
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man should do to survive and prosper without doing the conventional stupid things that everybody
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else does.
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It's like I said, I meet some of the young men.
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They're more worried about their 401k.
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I'm saying, what?
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You know, they have no adventure in their souls.
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And I talk to the young women.
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And they're a little disappointed also is what happened to them.
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And then my friends, I was a Marine, two tours of Vietnam and all that.
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So I'm kind of screwed up.
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But my friends who are still in the core, they said, we can't find man.
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They have a hard time recruiting.
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Anyway, you wrote about the greater depression where of the generation now that's cruising
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into a bankrupt social security.
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Do you know how many, how many baby boomers are in the world, Doug?
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Let me say, in the US or in the world?
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A total world.
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The number two billion baby boomers.
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That means there's two billion people out of eight billion coming off the work, coming
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off the work line.
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I'm going, what is that going to do?
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Do they have enough savings to maintain them as their bodies start falling apart?
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That's what I mean.
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What goes up are your medical bills.
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Yeah.
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As six they just skyrocket.
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And on the bright side, maybe Elon Musk is right.
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And in 10 years, robots will be able to do most of what needs doing in the way of physical
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labor.
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And it seems like AI is already doing people's thinking for them.
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But I'm not sure you can trust AI anymore than you can trust with the media quite frankly.
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Yeah.
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The other thing I heard is that there's 200 million Americans out of 360 million, almost
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50%, 50% who are on some kind of government subsistence.
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I think that's true.
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And I wonder how many Americans are sleeping under bridges and on parkbatches because you
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go to major cities and you see them everywhere.
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The number has got to be, I don't know.
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The numbers are unreliable.
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I mean, people want to report numbers for whatever political reasons they have, but there
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are hundreds of thousands of Americans that have nothing, not even a house, maybe not
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even a tent.
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So what's going to happen to those people?
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I mean, are we going to have to support them as their numbers double and triple and
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more?
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Thomas Jefferson warned us years ago, he says, of a central bank takes over.
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People will wake up homeless in their own country.
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And now homeless is exploding across America.
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And we have a federal reserve bank that everybody worships.
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And I'm going, are you kidding me?
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Feller is the federal reserve bank's Marxist.
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And they expect that including Trump, I've got to say, he thinks that if the federal
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reserve just reduces interest rates and prints more money, then everything will be fine.
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Everything will boom.
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So he looks at the immediate indirect consequences of printing a lot of money up.
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Hey, I feel rich.
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I can go out and buy stuff.
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But he's looking at the, he does not look at the delayed and indirect consequences.
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The currency becomes nothing.
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People's savings are destroyed.
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The bond market will be destroyed.
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The stock market will, you know, he doesn't, he doesn't look at the, you know, the
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stuff that's stuff apparently.
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So Mr. Casey, you know, you talked about the greater depression.
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The numbers I have is the market crash in 29.
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It took till 1954 for it get back.
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I think the dollar is a 381 in 1929.
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It took to 1954 to get back to 381.
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And the dollar is only worth half as much at that point.
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So when you talk about the greater depression, what sits inside your head?
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What do you see?
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Yeah.
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Well, most people standard of living, I think it's going to go down a lot because the
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huge amount of debt that we have in this country today means that people are either consuming.
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What past generations have created and borrowing that or they're mortgaging their own futures
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going forward where their earnings are going to be tagged by all the debt that they're
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creating.
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So it's actually worse than one reason.
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This could be worse than what happened from 29 to 46 is that there really wasn't much
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debt in the world.
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There was no credit card debt.
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There was no automobile debt.
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There was no student debt.
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Not even a mortgage debt.
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In those days, a mortgage was maybe five years.
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Now today it's 30 years.
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So that before you can start building wealth, you have to get rid of the debt.
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It's going to be very hard.
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I think how they're going to do it is the dollar is going to lose all value, which is actually
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the worst thing that could happen.
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That's why years and years and years I've saved silver and gold.
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I bought first gold in 1974 when it was legal.
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It was the first time it was legal for Americans to own gold.
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I bought a South African Kruger in in Hong Kong.
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I was bought silver.
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Now silver is used as an industrial medal, so it's good.
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You and I both Robert, so it's really treated us very well.
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I hate to mention speculations in public because most people are not psychologically suited
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and they don't have the economic knowledge to be suited to speculate in things.
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But I've always been involved in the gold mining business, which is a very leverage way
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of playing gold.
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I know you are too.
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I hate to tell the average guy to get involved in that, but because it's so volatile and
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very risky.
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But the markets are going to be going up and down like an elevator with a lunatic at
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the controls in the years to come.
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I think people are going to be forced to speculate whether they want to or not, whether
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they should do it or not.
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They're almost going to have to.
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Well, you can't hang onto that dollar because I was in Zimbabwe because it last week.
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That's what brought them down.
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They printed.
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By the way, this is my goal.
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My goal mine, it took public on the York Stock Exchange.
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I'm not publicizing it.
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That's real gold.
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It's an American gold mine.
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The reason I stress that is the mistake I made as a soldier of fortune is my first
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goal mine was in China.
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You're hurting me.
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You're hurting me, Doug, because you know what they did, right?
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As soon as they struck gold, they took it.
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I don't eat Chinese food after that anymore.
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Well, you know, before I invest, or I don't, you can't invest in mining stocks.
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Before I speculate in any mining stocks, there are nine Ps.
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It's an amonic.
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The only use to help me remember these things.
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One of them is politics.
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You got to pick a country where the politics are reasonably stable.
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Anyway, so.
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It's called country risk.
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Power risk.
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Yeah, precisely.
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Of course, the biggest risk is the first few people, the people risk.
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You need good people.
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Bad people can't possibly have anything good happen as a result of it.
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So we end with this class.
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On one of your podcasts, you were talking about what was evil.
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You might try that what is evil?
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Because that's what I see taking over this great country of ours.
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It really is.
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It's a word that people don't confront.
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That is something that they hear in church, maybe, on Sunday, but they don't have it defined
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properly.
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And I would say evil is the purposeful destructive, purposeful destruction of accumulated ideas,
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I'm capital with the idea, with intention of destroying them and making life worse.
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We could talk about this for hours and really bring forward the definitions that have been
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used for evil in the past.
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But there are elements in this country that hate the country.
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They hate the ideas that's founded on.
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They hate most of the people, half of the people in the country.
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And they're actually evil.
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That's a word that's been discredited in some circles because it's used to promiscuously.
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But to me, evil is when you destroy something that's doing good.
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Like when Charlie Kirk and I shared the stage together and I liked everything he said,
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but I thought he had big gohanies, big balls, but he got taken out.
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So he was doing all of it.
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It could happen to anybody.
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And I'm afraid that his murder is a potential turning point where people could start
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lining up on one side of the barricades or the other physically.
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So Mr. Casey, I thank you for being my friend for all these years.
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And I'm jealous that you live in that beautiful place, Argentina.
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If you ever say, Mr. Harvey and Miele, tell them congratulations.
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I hope Elon and Donald can do what he's done in Argentina.
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I do too.
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Don't plan your life around it, but I hope so also.
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I think we can get together sometime.
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I'd like that.
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I think when when doge, you know, with Elon and Trump stepped in there, I think they're
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lies are threatened because they're going to step on somebody's shoes.
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Toes, you know, yeah, exactly.
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And who really controls this country at this point?
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I suspect it's elements within these 15 Praetorian agencies that hang around Washington.
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Starting with the people in the CIA and the FBI and the Department of Defense.
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And there's a dozen more of them and they're all dangerous people.
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Yeah.
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So my friend, let's keep fighting evil and we'll see you on the block next time.
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So I appreciate your time today and sharing your work.
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That's my pleasure for Robert.
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Thank you, Doug.
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And we'll be right back.
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So I think Doug Casey, we've been a friend for all these years and please check to
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an end of his podcast because every time I listen to it, I go, huh, what did he just say?
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And that's what I want.
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I want somebody to go, what did he say?
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Because that's what we're here to do.
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Make you think.
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Thank you, Doug.
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Thanks, Robert.
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And we'll be right back with a final word from Rich Dad.
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So welcome back and thank you to Doug Casey.
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Reminder, his book is called The Preparation.
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I really call it the training manual for soldiers of fortune because soldier of fortune can
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go anywhere in the world and make a fortune.
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So I thank him for that and I'll leave us final thought with what's going on in the world.
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I'm not really, I don't like to get into religion.
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I do believe there's a God, but religion has been responsible for the killing of more people than anybody else.
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Like I remember when Catholics were shooting Protestants and Protestants were shooting Catholics.
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That made no sense to me at all, but that's religion.
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But anyway, the words I'll leave it with today is, lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
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And right now, let's not treat evil with evil.
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Thank you for watching The Rich Dad Show.