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One Battle After Another
Join the hosts of Mad About Movies as they dive into the fall movie season, discussing John Carpenter's The Fog and the highly anticipated One Battle After Another directed by Paul Thomas Anderso...
One Battle After Another
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This is Bob Ferguson.
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I was a part of the French 75 Steve Lockdown use attack ring.
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And I cannot remember for the life of my only child the answer to your question.
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Maybe you should have studied the rebellion text a little harder.
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I need to find my daughter.
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You sound insane.
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You guys that?
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Yeah.
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The whole world got play-based!
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You play-based!
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You're the showtime.
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That's fun.
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Alright, it's officially fall movie season here on Mad About Movies.
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Hope you'll stay with us to the end of the year because we got a lot of great movies, big blockbuster movies to come out.
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Yet, it should be a really fun time.
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Coming up, we're discussing John Carpenter's The Fog as we kick off some spooky season talk.
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We've also got Misery right around the corner.
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And I know Richard is very excited about Red Eye starting Killian Murphy and Rachel McAdams.
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Also, is it the best movie of that decade?
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I don't know.
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Yeah, well, I guess we'll find out in the episode.
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So make sure you're subscribed to the VIP fee for that link is in the description.
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Well, welcome in as I'm a Kent joined by Richard and Brian.
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We've got all three of us this week.
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Brian was not on the fog episode, so Brian, many review of the fog go.
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I've never seen it before.
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I thought it was quite good.
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I was not scared by it.
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So that's, you know, take that as you will as the resident non horror person.
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So maybe that means it's bad.
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But yeah, I was impressed what he was able to do with about a million dollars, you know, even in 1980.
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And you can tell that he was going for PG and it didn't work.
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So maybe we could have added some more scares and make it a little creepy.
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I like it.
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But I thought it was a pre-solid little, pre-solid little movie.
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Funny that that comes out, but right between Halloween, which is, you know, obviously one of the all-time classics and sort of created the slasher genre.
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And then the thing two years later, which is the best horror movie of all time, in my opinion.
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So that's a good little run there, you know, might be.
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And escape from, yeah, escape from from New York in there too.
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Yeah, yeah, totally.
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He's a pretty good director.
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Yeah, if you want Richard Nies thoughts on the fog, make sure to subscribe and get that episode.
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Get our review of it.
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Did we like it or not?
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You shall see.
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Well, we're talking one battle after another directed by Paul Thomas Anderson.
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Ever heard of him?
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Guys.
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Newcomer.
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Based on.
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Is he the best Paul Anderson director?
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I'm a, I've always said I'm a WS guy and I love PTAs.
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I'm always a PWSA guy because I ride for vampires.
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You are a pinch on guy, though Richard.
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This is based on Vine Land.
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I eat mostly bass.
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I wouldn't say that about me.
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Not.
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I read stuff by him, which I have.
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So that makes you.
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Yeah, not a lot.
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A lot.
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But I mean, real pinch on fans would I don't want to, I don't want to, don't put that on me because they're there.
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No, it's good stuff, but I have not read a ton of it.
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Don't want the pinch on hive.
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I was.
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I want to read.
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I'm aspiration.
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Pinch on fan.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But I've read inherent buys and I've read this book.
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I've read Vine Land.
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That's it.
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Okay.
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So I want to read more.
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I like he's cool, but.
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So that's written directed by PTA.
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I see some reteaming up with Johnny Greenwood on the musical score.
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And this one comes to us with a budget of between $130 and $175 million.
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Biggest budget PTA's ever been given up to this.
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It's totally worth it that they sons that that.
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I'm glad now I'm glad they threw away that Wiley Kylie movie.
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If that right off contributed to this, then we're back.
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Thank you, justified.
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I'm I'm team Zaz now.
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Yeah, I'm team Zaz.
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I'm team 40.
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No.
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Right.
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With the pie.
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It's above everything.
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Our good personal friend will.
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Yeah, it's true.
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But you guys know, I might.
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I might go to next games with the Zaz.
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I'm the only podcaster that likes him.
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He might invite me.
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Well, it's good angle for me.
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Right.
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And then each of them.
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I leave me your personal hero James Dylan.
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So they'll be great for you.
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It's also.
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This one.
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Olding venues.
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Yes.
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This one was number one this past weekend.
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20 million in the US.
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It's made 60 so far.
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So it's got a ways to go.
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But it was number one.
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It's a 20 million dollars.
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Does that is that low to you?
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Richard?
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It's back right about what I would think.
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I'm not you know what?
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I'm team.
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I'm not worried about box office on this.
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I don't think they wrote this check expecting to make a lot of money.
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It's not a normal thing.
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If you're going to lose money, let's.
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Which a lot of movies lose money now.
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Let's lose it.
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Pursuing awesome Oscar movies.
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Instead of.
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D tier superheroes.
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Like if you want to make all the ABC superhero movies that you can, that's great.
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But if you're saying we're going to spend a hundred fifty million dollars on a superhero.
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No one's heard of.
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Or.
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One of the best directors of all time with Leonardo DiCaprio.
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Like that's fine.
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I'd rather that.
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Not worried about making money.
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That's what you said about Megalopolis too.
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Mm hmm.
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As long as that's one of the greatest directors of all time.
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Anything guys.
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That's right.
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It's still operating.
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You know, he's still can hear.
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That's that's true.
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That's true.
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And if this one has a high M involved.
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So it's a high M.
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Dude, as long as there's a high M.
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Dude, this is like Taylor made for me.
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We've got a high M.
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We've got Jim Downey, my favorite comedy writer ever.
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We've got Johnny Greenwood, my favorite guitar player ever.
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We've got like I said, a lot of high M, my second favorite guitar player ever.
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So we're rocking.
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Yeah.
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Tiana Taylor.
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I know you're all things Tiana too.
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Right.
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You know, team Tiana always.
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I would have thought this would have made a little bit more though.
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Given the buzz.
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And given like Leonardo DiCaprio.
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I mean, he feels like a generational actor that the last 30 years he's been everybody's
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like the guy, at least on screen, you know.
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So feels like if anybody can get somebody to a theater, it's Leo DiCaprio.
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I was visiting my wife's grandma this past weekend as we stopped by before we went and saw this.
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And we mentioned we were going to see this and she, you know, she's in her 80s.
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You know, Nat Geo, things like that.
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She's like, I cannot get away from the advertising from that.
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So like he was even in her wheelhouse in terms of what the culture she ingest.
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So it feels like, you know, they were pushing this thing really hard.
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Great buzz.
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Great director.
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Great stars.
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And it makes 20 million dollars in a weekend.
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I guess people wanted to go watch football instead.
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You know, that's, it's not like it's a holiday or anything like that.
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So I'm not a lot going on.
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And yeah, I would have thought this would have 30 to 40.
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It's a three hour run time.
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I mean, you know, PTA movies don't there.
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You know, it looked heavy.
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You know, it's not that it looks, I mean, it looked action packed and cool.
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Right.
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The advertising made this, this feel like a heist movie or something like well, that's what surprised it didn't make more.
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Because it feels like it was a little more blockbustery than than your typical Phantom thread.
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Yeah.
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The rest would be a little bit anecdotally, but I, I don't think they did a good job of marketing this to normies.
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Because this is a very accessible movie.
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And I think they thought, well, it's a PTA.
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So only the weirdos and sickos are going to see it.
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And it's, it's incredibly accessible.
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So I, it felt like kind of a last minute thing of like maybe we should put this trailer out there for the regular people to see.
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And yeah, it was kind of a, a rush job.
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I felt like of advertising what, what they add here.
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Because I, yeah, like the trailer that could did kind of make it look like a heist movie.
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I thought was pretty interesting and intriguing, but I, I feel like that kind of came late in the cycle.
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And it may have, it may have been a little too late at that point.
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I think this number is totally what I would have expected for a PTA movie because PTA movies don't really make money.
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But given what they had to work with here as compared to like in here advice or something like that,
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I think they could have done a better job.
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And it's like the next best movie weekend ever had was week five of There Will Be Blood, which is five million.
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That's crazy.
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And that's in the world where movies from, you know, we were talking about Stig Moda, Brian in the last episode, 1999,
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a Razi award winning movie made 90 million bonds.
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It's crazy.
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And that doesn't even factor in blockbuster or DVD or whatever.
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So yeah.
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But yes, for, okay, but this is a movie podcast.
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The sickos are all here.
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Let's, let's, let's talk sicko.
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Yeah.
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Did you see the interview that Leo did with PTA where it was like inner Leo was interviewing Paul?
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No, it's all with fantasy.
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He's the only one that I saw the two of them with fantasy, but I didn't, I didn't see.
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Okay.
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Well, Leo asked him, so do you consider yourself an art, art house director?
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Like, what, where do you think you fall?
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And he said, I'm not, I don't consider myself an art house director at all.
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I consider myself box office challenged.
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So, so, you know, he doesn't go about it saying, oh, I'm, I'm making this, this indie.
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I'm doing this is for the, oh, that's always, that's why I love it.
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Making movies that he wants to go see in a theater, you know, um,
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Totally.
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It's like he made puncher gloves.
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He's like, I, I loved big daddy.
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I wanted to make an Adam Samo movie.
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He did, right?
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He made a totally different thing that is a awesome movie and only allowed by certain people.
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But like, yeah, but he doesn't do that's why I love him.
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He's, he's so weirdly not pretentious.
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He's like, oh, man, like, like I could see him, you know, he, he, he, wanting to work with,
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I mean, the cast on this is wild.
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The people he wants to work.
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I mean, Glee, obviously, but there's some pretty interesting choices here.
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So he just likes what he likes and goes into school.
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Made an inspiration behind inherent vice was cheating Chong movies.
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No joke.
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Like, you don't get any less art house than that.
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It's kind of, yeah, he is totally, totally normal guy who just happened to make,
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there'll be blood when he was my age, you know, totally fine.
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He had already made Boogie Nights and Punstron Club.
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He's like, he'd look back.
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It's like, dude, it's crazy.
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Oh, yeah, he was, was, I don't know the wonder kind.
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That's the right word for it.
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But good grief.
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What's interesting about him is he's, he does kind of make, he likes big showy parts for actors and all of that.
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He's not afraid to go there, which is what makes him a little more out art housey.
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That's the only thing I will say on him versus like a more traditional mainstream director is that if there's, you know,
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whether it be sexuality or drug use or whatever, he'll go another half step than, you know, someone else will
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and make you feel uncomfortable, make you feel a little weird.
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But it's always of these adults for sure.
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Yeah, yeah, like, yeah.
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Man, like, it's, but it's always insert, it's not just gratuitous ever, but it's like in service of whatever
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Gerard Saurok, he's not going to, not going to be around the bush on it on, on, on that kind of stuff, which I get is a little moral kind of like,
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like, European, yeah, is a little more like European, right?
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And that's what he makes it see art house thing.
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But he's trying to do big stuff and he's, he's so good.
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This movie's so good.
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Man, I'm not even going to, we don't even, man, what a movie.
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What a movie.
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He's been most excited.
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I've seen it hurt.
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Let's, let's dig into it.
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I'm sure we'll get more PTA thoughts as we go on here.
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Just, you said it, Richard, what a movie.
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I went and saw this on a football Sunday, the middle of the day.
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Man, so much I cared with, with my lovely wife.
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She loved it too.
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We wanted to go see this together because, you know, he doesn't, he hasn't released the movie in six years.
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So who knows when the next one will be.
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So yeah, special experience going to see this in the theater.
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I went and saw it again before the episode because the first, first time you're just, you're just taking it all in.
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Second time, focus a little more for the episode.
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Which is what I did.
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And yeah, I told you guys, I, I threw out the Billy Madison chair ship for the love of Godgift at you because, you know, we see a lot of movies, thousands.
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We've seen for the show just for the show and, you know, you can count on maybe one and a half hands the amount of like ones that might be in the library of Congress someday.
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So it's always fun when you get one that kind of has that stigma around it.
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And I see me, now you see me too.
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We'll just assume.
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Now you three me.
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You see a lot of the movie nerd culture online talk about movies and Eddington was a perfect example of earlier this year.
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We're like, this is the movie of the decade.
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This is going to.
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I don't care what you do.
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You have to see this and you, and you see it and you're like, okay, I can see why you said that.
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But I don't think to the average person.
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This is going to be the best movie they've ever seen.
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This one feels like just the most approachable movie he could have made.
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This is going to be the first one I recommend to people if they've never seen a PTA movie because the plot is as straightforward as it's ever been.
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There's commentary in there, but without it getting too preachy at all.
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The commentaries and the characters themselves, which is some credible performances here.
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Not a wasted moment.
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I mean, this thing flies for three hours.
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I mean, it just keeps your attention like crazy.
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Love that about it.
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It doesn't get bogged down and C and D and E plots and things that don't matter.
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It's super focused.
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It's one of the one of the best talk about directors, but you know, cinematographers, I would consider PTA as much of that.
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Just his eye for blocking a scene and the way he uses lenses and goes through all these screen tests and finding the right aesthetic and all of this stuff like the actual film nerd technical side of this is off the charts.
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And yeah, it's just it feels inspired by all of kinds of movies that I grew up loving.
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So I can't wait to talk about, you know, the references you caught in this and all that.
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But we'll throw it a Richard next and see was the next one who saw it Richard.
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Dive in a general thoughts for me.
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Yeah, I mean, it was it's it's incredible in terms of scope, both in the in the micro and macro ways.
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It's so effective in the story that it tells it's so like great at being quasi political, but not preachy and like all the things that we can I roll our self set in 2025.
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It's a tough I would say the worst and it's not the worst in terms of like the performances or anything, but I would find that the the starts a little slow because you're you're at least for me because I'm going.
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Okay, well, we've got some like fascist military guys, but I know they're bad.
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And then we have to tell his character who I know is like maybe like on the right side of history, but also it seems really arrogant and like not completely in it for all the right reasons.
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So I'm going and Leo's kind of just in service of her.
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So you spend like 40 minutes going I don't know that whole prologue, which is long bustle more like I don't know who I can't like here.
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I kind of really like any of these people.
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Then she leaves the baby and we flash forward and we and then you have some like you know classic brain stuff of heroes and villains and this this collision course, you know, it's almost the movie or
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obviously just because of the road scenes, but it's like this road warrior Mad Max, very road collision course of all these plots coming together is great.
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And then the great thing this movie realizes it more than ever.
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But you see it in Phantom Thread, you see all that is like PT is really funny like these movies are you're supposed to like laugh out loud in the theater at certain parts of it.
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It's really heavy. Some of it's really dramatic. Some of it's really artistic and beautiful and and you know heart wrench and all that.
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But it's like it's also human and funny.
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And like this one obviously means you know I intellectualized the entire world through what makes me laugh.
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And this makes me laugh, made me laugh so much so many even obviously the lockjaw character is terrifying and evil and all the things but funny.
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You know and we was obviously sterically funny and yeah it was it was just tonally just nailed it.
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The the aesthetic was great. Scropers great and then you know it's your right can was what's so cool about PTA, which is why he's my favorite is he's such a five tool player.
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Because you see a lot of a lot of directors that go hey you know what I'm an you could tell okay watching this movie that director hung out with the cinematographer the whole time like these actors are on their own.
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Some of the performances are uneven. They're kind of trying to figure it out because all this director who's good and talented he wants to be the cinematographer.
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So he's just trying to shoot this as interestingly as possible and then conversely you have directors that are like getting great performances out of people.
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But they're going to shoot it like a TV show you're going to get coverage you're going to get you know couple close ups and we're going to kind of edit through that and it's not really interesting in terms of look and feel not that everything has to be.
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You know when's film perfect but it's like okay that was kind of boilerplate but the performances really good script is good.
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The great thing about PTA and in Tarantino's like this and all that is like I'm going to shoot the crap out of this.
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I'm also going to be really in it with the actors and get great performances out of literally everyone the one get the interrogator guy.
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Oh gosh James Ratterman Danvers the guy that's like a terror and everyone that's kind of the second commit that guy's not an actor.
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That guy's a freaking he's a security consultant he's on the movie. He's not a cameo that guy has like 15 minutes of screen time with like real high.
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He made her move on. Yeah a lot of high up Jim Downey who's a comedy writer like we have all these people Tiana Taylor who I know has acted before but like is you know not like is much more known as a musician all that but he's so good with actors and people you've seen before small character actors random people people that are you know the one friend 75 guy.
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Billy goat all that he's like a composer you know he gets he gets thrown in here and has a pretty substantial parts anyway my point is he's just so good with actors so good with the camera he can do it all.
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And he's and he's a great writer and there's so many memorable lines from this that are that are perfect and I just want to say the showiest performance in the Sean Penn is unbelievable Sean Penn does the thing every 13 like a cicada every 13 and a few years he comes out of the dirt and reminds us that he's one of the three best actors in the world.
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And then goes away does weird stuff for 13 years both on an off screen he's great but man Benicio as you know basically like sense a Sergio Saint Carlos Yoda is incredible so man is he awesomeness and I learned through some interviews with you that he basically that was a lot his whole run was much for stagnant in the original script and he's the one that came up with that whole underground railroad stuff and the all the kinetic part of that character and what he's up to.
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And made it 100 times more interested in maybe made the movie so God bless you Benicio tutorial you're a beautiful human and great actor so anyway that's my initial thoughts but Brian I want to hear yours because you're less can't air the PTA guys you're not a hater by any means but I want to know what you would you put you thought of this.
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Yeah PTA's always been one that I would say I appreciate more than I that I really like the the movies I guess I'm glad he's out there doing this he makes good he makes movies that I can't ever say man I love that but I can't ever say man that wasn't good you know I'm maybe in here advice I did not like fan up thread at all and I I I'll stand by that but it there wasn't a point where I was like man this is a crap movie you know it's just like I just don't.
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It's been interesting my friend Brad is a big PTA guy and so we've talked a little bit about the this movie over the last couple weeks and you know he's he's just full on his like he really didn't care he thought he thought PTA might be done after look at pizza and I was like and I'm always like I think look at your speech it might be my favorite like again like definitely is not the best I totally I totally understand there will be blood is probably the one that I'm going to be able to do that.
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He's got a lot you know Magnolia is such an interesting movie he's made a bunch of of of great movies that I don't care for I guess or that I don't care about maybe and it sort of separates me in some ways from like the film bro side of things.
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But I'm always excited for what he's going to do I'm always interested in what he's going to do and I feel that for what it's worth I think anybody listen to show knows like I feel that way about a lot of the a lot of the great directors that don't really make broad movies because I'm a I'm a broad viewer and I you know I'm good with that he's probably at the top of the list of like gosh he makes he makes a really good movie that I'm probably not going to really care about all that much anymore after you know I'm going to be a great director.
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You know after I watch it I was very excited for this one though this is the the vibe just look like I don't know I early on first trailer I was like oh okay I I really I legitimately I don't remember what movie was that I was watching but I saw it on I saw this trailer on on the big screen for the first time I didn't watch it at home I saw it before movie as God intended and I I literally like sat up straight in my chair of like oh like this could be more than what I was even a good movie.
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What was it or maybe this is the the time that it's going to click you know for me.
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Um question about that.
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Yeah.
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Was it the trailer where it's just Leo talking on the phone frantically like yes basically yeah yeah yeah was that one yeah yeah and I yeah as well I think they could have done a better job of marketing this.
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I totally agree that it worked for me.
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The penny totally worked for me I don't know if it got the word out for the normies out there you know like I'm I sort of can straddle both I guess a little bit I I'm more in the normie.
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I can't then the sick I was can't but I can see what we're doing a little bit and I don't think that that worked necessarily for my wife you know or or people who see one movie a month or something like that.
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Um but I remember I remember watching that and being like huh this maybe this is the one and it is this is uh I I saw it today so I really want to be careful about
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the moment kind of statements.
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Um I have I don't have a single this is a six star movie this is like one of the ones that you you hold up and you say hey man I really loved a lot of movies over the course of the 13 years that we've been doing the show.
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Um here are the ones that were like particularly special and above above the all the rest and this is this is one of those this is this is the best movie I've seen since Oppenheimer at least and I don't have a single quibble.
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Like I don't I don't know what I if you said you have to criticize something about this I don't know what that would look like because of how great it is at at every single spot along the line.
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The score is great you know that you guys know I don't really even notice the score usually uh scores incredible incredible I think this is probably lead on out of the caprio's best performance and I understand that I'm talking about some incredible performances over time.
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Um the the physical side of what he is doing on screen in this I was blown away by every person in the cast is giving like this is the greatest performance they've ever done and for some of them because that's really the only thing they've ever done you know but yeah but for others to your point Richard like
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Sean pin is such an interesting career he's gonna end up with like five Oscars and we're gonna be like yeah he's all right he's pretty good yeah it's it's mind blowing and he seems like I don't want to hang out with him I don't think I think he's kind of a will whip but uh he's like cool to though because he's like a pain of the butt but he's like doing cool stuff he's like borderline a spy but like not a good cool one.
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It's it's fascinating because and I've I don't know it's just funny I I have felt this way with Sean pin so long before I I even really understood film criticism to whatever level I understand it now he would pop up every once in a while and I'm like 18 and I'll be like holy crap this is the best performance I've ever seen in my life you know and then you just like he does some other movies you just kind of forget about it and then even something like
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I know I'm getting all over the place at this point can't sorry but like the secret life Walter Mitty's kind I don't know not necessarily throw away movie but it's not a movie that I don't think everybody remembers he's incredible in that movie is probably for 10 minutes he's incredible but like he does this thing every once in a while where he will he just suddenly reminds you hey by the way there have maybe been four people ever who are better than I am at this who have more talent than I do at this at this thing he's insanely good in the world and I'm not sure if I'm gonna be the best
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in this movie across the board every single day it is written perfectly it is paced perfectly it is it has something to say but it's also if you don't want to queue in on what it's saying through its subtext because that's not something I typically really do to be honest with you I don't think you're missing anything by not
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there's like one line about abortion or something other than that it's kind of just like you know immigration versus military like it's pretty it's it's in and that's why I told a told a friend today who's who's super is a is a broad audience viewer but I was like this it's the I said it's the least film bro film bro movie of all time like it just it it's a it is a perfect encapsulation of what a film is trying to do
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but it is kind of wrapped up inside a movie if that makes sense and it's it is the car chase at the big is incredible I I'm with you Richard thematically as far as like kind of the the dissonance on on that opening long extended opening scene I was riveted I thought it was an incredible
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seat it's super riveting thing yeah I don't know who we're rooting for here exactly or what we're what we're doing with this makes that clear that I don't know if I made it clear
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retrospectively go oh she's supposed to be complicated okay sure I want to like it but at the beginning you're like am I supposed to think she's awesome because she kind of sucks absolutely and so it was man it sets you up so well in the beginning just with this extended pre credit
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scene oh and and and then it just you're going it's it's it is great is crazy how great this movie is that like I don't know how long I've been talking
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here probably for an hour and I haven't really talked about beneath you a del Tor who might be my favorite part of the movie you know
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so it's like it's this is a this is this is a perfect movie this is a masterpiece that that I I feel sounds super do you I feel privileged you have been able to watch this movie that's where I'm at with this yeah
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yeah it's all time or definitely an all-timer you know I don't use that term lightly either for sure and Richard you were saying that the lock jaw character was one that you just resonated with on a personal level
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I was I was I was I was just saying like I don't understand why they made it such a stretch or in the V.a villain because he seemed to be cool like a pretty chill bro you said you said that about most
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chomp in characters though that you resonate with them right hail Saint Nick I'm always say I am Sam you know very Richard characters yeah no I'm with you that opening break out sequence of at the
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immigration camp was so well done constructed you knew exactly what was going on where everybody was what the stakes were and it gets to the
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point where I think this a snap crackle pop and they instruct the Leo to shoot off the fireworks like when that moment happens you're just like okay this is a movie
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we're in the so I don't know what it is about fireworks on screen that just look incredible that's it that's cool way better than fireworks and people's
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cell phone cameras that's for yeah I'm with you though it's it is kind of ambiguous like is she the only one that's politically motivated here are all
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these other people just that are in the French 75 just trying to break the law and make money you know because a lot of people that do
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crime just to get by not because they really have any message to send to society you know so yeah I love to I love the plot of a plot is
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basically pardon my French bitch were the French 75 yeah that's that's the plot and about the people trying to take
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them down and feels like you could do it entire trilogy of these not to get spoilery but it leaves it kind of
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ended on on where things could go and everything like that so I don't know if that's the plan but it feels like they're
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certainly meet left on the bone there of they want to do that um the scanner device such a great little plot device to
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create a little mcgoth in there yeah yeah to keep the um to keep them on minimum and you know remind remind me of a lot of a lot of
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things mainly no country for old men in the the tracker love that it's a colon brothers and the tracker and there's some
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a lot of new country in this movie for sure yeah as has has some no country minded me of Bonnie and Clyde yeah in terms of
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literature road trip and the the crime spree and the affection for somebody that Bonnie and Clyde gonna had he has for his wife and a little bit of
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paper moon little bit of Bellman Louise you know easy writer got some of that big Lebowski I felt very inspired by Leo's
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character for Lebowski one that that Leo said he watched Richard when when making this was dog day afternoon which we recently did a an episode on the VIP if you want to hear that
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another all-timer but just the the the frantic tension the pichinos character in that and you know the deadline aspect of it and doing it for
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somebody you love at the end of the day you know like he he was really trying to capture that pichino energy in this too which I also
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appreciate it but yeah the Leo character for me is a little hard to figure out until the time jump and then he just becomes one of the
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greatest characters of all time I don't know if that was on purpose like this guy had a very well he has a very much in service of yes you know
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Beverly Hills right it's like you don't know if he's smart if he's dumb if he's an agent all he just pulled along yeah he's just totally in service of her he's a supporting character in her movie
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and then when she goes to Mexico to go to Cuba wherever she goes you know it then it's then he ages into or because being a father whatever but he's still like a loser I mean that the way they
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introduce him is so fun reintroduce him later on is so funny with let's let's the pot but the high school with the
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yeah teachers so vaping in the classroom in front of the teacher that tells you all you need to know about
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the slave owners in here the slave owners in here a great great needle drop with the steely Dan
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yeah steely Dan humor in general I loved yes that was him trying to get the sound with the tubes but you don't even need that
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stuff anymore it's computer program I know how to drive drunk like what why are you that yeah showing how far
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he's like kind of a but deteriorated which you know obviously sets up the a lot of the plot points for the next
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hour but also like how he's got his guard down and how you know but then very very very funny but also very
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like great great screenwriting trying to find a place to plug in his phone as oh my gosh that's
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2045 minute I mean I'm not on the phone I'm charging the phone when he yells at the kid for me yeah
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yeah and I'm telling it seriously like what I said the outside I I think I mean we all know Leo is
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one of the greatest actors of his generation I cannot recall I mean the revenue is a different kind
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of a physical acting this is like on a different level as far as the his ability what he can convey
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through his movement and mannerisms and just like a physical I've never seen him be a physical
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comedian before for me it's a little bit for an adult time and hauling yeah exactly yeah I was
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going to say that the Rick Dalton stuff in the in the trailer but it's up the whole movie but yeah
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right yeah him him gosh and him calling when they come to pick her up for the dance he keeps calling
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the one kid homie it's so funny it's I know it was kill your entire family do you hear me yeah no we're
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cool I'm just talking to him all right homie hovering dad mode yeah the entire time and it's also
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yeah I mean he's been growing a lot of things the revenue comes to mind right we want an Oscar for
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that a million other things I mean again quite a great well for this is like his yeah yes incredible
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but this is one of his most probably since catch me if you can maybe like most has a lot of heart
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to this performance there's a real warmth to him that even in his scared moments he's sweet there's
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a there's a vulnerability there that's that's really endearing as a lady man because normally
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I was the coolest guy in the room and or or so weird and off or whatever this is just like kind of
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a dumb but sweet stoner that loves his daughter a lot that's basically the character never
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takes his house coat off the whole movie holy great great great bit of the rope yeah that's going
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to be great Halloween costume just that road oh yeah grow the grow the food manchu where those
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sunglasses that they give you after your eyes examined you know that block out all the light
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but yes they see picked out that jump ahead can and then it goes into that you know we we okay now
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we've got we've got locked jaw managing his detainment center we start he starts getting
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to introduce the christmas adventurers that's a great scene my those are my might be my favorite
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scenes in the movie are the meetings with the jib downy the great character actor yeah yeah yeah
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now he's he was very funny in this but uh yeah they're they're that's hilarious and then
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and then uh but yeah then the leo stuff going to the school right then disappearing and all that
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and then when he starts getting in with you know binescio I mean from the minute he walks into that
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dojo where i'm laughing don't step on the mat or whatever he has a name for it or whatever the
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way he bows when he leaves the pain in respect of this strip mall and his yeah it is the whole
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thing like he you know the go-throughs was stuff he organizes the whole max mass exodus he he you
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know obviously rescues leo at a certain point and in the fact it's such a funny choice whether it's
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in the script or that was binescio I don't know but reason race back his heart rate never gets above
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like twenty yeah yeah so funny you so cool yeah yeah okay cool all right we're good all so when the
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kid is on the skateboard and he's like it's a world war three out here man like what a cinematic oh
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yeah when he's dragging him for a second yeah in the backseat there with the camera oh god shut
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yeah it's crazy the entire once leo kind of goes on the run I would say it's from the time jump on
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the movie just doesn't doesn't let up at all before I would say the last two hours is
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well uh I know a great one or after another of them just going from location to location and
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you know the the entire humor around forgetting the passcode and how they were able to keep that
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funny because I was like that's such a funny scene I'm like that's a bummer that the split you
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know the trailer spoils that but it's so much longer and then it comes back around on the in the
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movie it's so funny man gosh I want to gray on tan or whatever the Mexican hairless
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the apologize you apologize and mean it Tony Gold one 65 years old I know it's great
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well incredible the casting of this is just pta is some it's among the best you know in terms of
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finding the right people for the roles I don't know if all with one miscast in his entire
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filmography it's funny john c riley's been doing press promoting something recently and he said
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I told Paul Paul's one of my great friends I told him hey man I don't want you to put me in anything
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unless I'm right for the role and he said ever since I said that he never put me in anything
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forget it because he used to be just to go to him and yeah uh Philb Seemir Hoffman we're just to go to
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pta guys um that's so funny I think Sean the Sean Penn part would have been Philb Seemir Hoffman
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I feel like yeah I can see that a lot of block jaw I think would have been but I think Sean
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Penn's better for it that's the big high praise yeah that's how good Sean Penn is doing that
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Sean Penn's gotten real Ben Kingsley he did you get a little Ben Kingsley via with that performance I
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kind of did I mean everything about it the freaking the way he glimped in the in the lifts the haircut
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the the combing of the haircut that killed me when he's in the elevator and he takes the comb out
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you think it's gonna be a god or something licks it and cut the comb that's asking him if he's ever
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um had a interracial relationship and things like that he's like the looks on his face like
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he's gonna win the Oscar guys it's yeah yeah let's put it in stone right now I would say
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but he's still what's funny is he's a completely absurd that that's great about it
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and that in both the writing and the performance is that he's a he's a silly
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stupid ridiculous character that's still terrifying yes yeah yeah
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is it's it's great he's so over the top in such a great way but yeah I went back and did a little
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bit of rewatching on some Paul Thomas Anderson movies before this just to get just get the mindset you
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know going into this I've rewatched magnolia rewatched heartache a rewatched punch drunk love
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in inherent vice and I I went back and watch just some interviews with him back in in the day
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and one of the ones I watched was Charlie Rose on the run the press run of magnolia and he was asking
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Charlie Rose asking like how do you get these performances you know how are you able to get all
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the time performances that all these people he goes well I think I'm just because I'm friends with
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all these people and they they trust him just completely you know they're all legitimately having
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fun being on set together and enjoying each other's company they they trust Paul as a filmmaker so
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anything he says they're willing to do you know it's just this 360 relationship between him and
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actors where he doesn't bring someone on board unless he's comfortable or out of as a human being
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and I think that's the reason you get all-time performances from him and everything is because
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he has that relationship with the actors he doesn't treat them like a transactional relationship
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like a lot of directors can yeah I saw Tiana Taylor talking about his gentle leadership yeah
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on set that she said let's talk about her for a second what a revelation she's great and he's
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he said about her he's like she's just incredible to photograph like he's put a camera on her like
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her face like her mannerisms everything about her just like his movie star quality her voice um
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yeah great artists like you know I was a fan of her music before forcing this movie but this
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made me think wow she she could have a real career on the big screen if she wanted to a lot a lot
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charisma that's for sure yeah yeah the character seems to have too much which is like
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which is the reason it's you know shot and done like she's too right which your like okay and so
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say at the beginning you're going she's doing a great job she's playing this exactly note for no
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perfect it's not a criticism performance at all but you're going all right so is this is this
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the good the hero of the movie because she's she's not great like she's got some ego and some arrogance
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and some violence and some anger and some you know she's a rat well you can you can I think like the
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part of this is the writing and directing part of it is the acting it's just the way that it all
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yeah or say it or the way it's supposed to but like you can you can feel
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the escalation of her of her violence uh long before it was like watching Richard
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is like watching a soccer match when you just suddenly start to know like somebody they're going
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to score in the next five minutes here like this going to happen and you can almost from the jump
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you're like man this is gonna boil over in a real bad way before too long and then it you know
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it just escalates and escalates and escalates you can feel it coming in it that you know like
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I think a great choice by PTA you don't ever see the uh you don't see the incident that causes her to
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shoot the the security guard of the police officer whatever it is because I don't know that there
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is one you know I think this is like I I feel like this is him kind of saying this was inevitable
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we were gonna reach this she was gonna find a way to escalate this before too long one way or
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the other that makes sense I thought that was a really cool directorial choice yeah 100%
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some great car case sequences in this you can imagine the first one which is after they
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rob the bank there's a great mini van you know car chase sequence of that and then last scene of
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the movie really last scene that really matters is just this such a cool setting for a car chase I
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mean that's that's where I got the hints of like easy rider yeah like the polling hills of that
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and having the you know feeling like the camera is on the the front bumper of each of the cars
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and so that was so really cool yeah so great in the way he sets up the conclusion of that with
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with those shots yeah it's great great kind of foreshadowing because you're thinking to yourself if
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if this was me here's what I would do if somebody was chasing me down this road here's how I would
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try to get away with them and that's for me the one of the first thing to kind of mind is like oh
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you need to get out of visibility over one of these hills and let them drive by or whatever
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and the way that that yeah all comes together at the end is I mean that's one of the best
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sequences of the last decade you know if this movie's not that sequence surely is yeah no no
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I don't agree the way pta uses cars too I noticed that through the rewatching the way he uses a
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car to define someone's personality I love that I'm love to hear him talk about that and how he
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picks picks cars for characters because I feel like this that's the guy was that cobra we've got yeah
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I mean in punch drunk love where Adam Salars and that like geo car you know yeah it's just such a part
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of who these people are at the end of the day and yeah I noticed that for sure in this movie
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yeah when he's with Leo steals the car you know that's the kind of old old sports car from like
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the 80s wherever you know and yeah some I don't know if it's a Mustang or whatever but a great blue
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sports old sports car yeah to at the Christmas club scene Christmas adventure's club
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so far killed me so far yeah and the fact they're all just so pleasant to each are those
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your famous banana pancakes like just like they think they're such good people yeah they're just
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the most evil people on the planet uh the the you are superior that whole thing was doesn't mean
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you're smarter doesn't mean you're just in your superior to everybody yeah but oddly like he
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feels like we talked about Eddington earlier this year and I feel like there's a lot of parallels
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between the two movies um what they're trying to do say all that kind of stuff Eddington is way more
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of like a mystery thriller than this this is to me more of an action comedy than anything
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but it is leaning way more into word mainstream thrillers than anything he's done uh up to this point
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for sure definitely um but yeah the way those two try to try to kind of weave the same narrative
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in different ways um this one I think is a lot more effortless than what it's trying to do and say
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then then Eddington is all is heavy ended I genuinely like I walked out and I was like I feel like that
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that dropped that dropped Eddington by a full letter grade watching this movie made me be like oh
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you you got you got crushed my guy this was uh this was just so much better
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Ari's not to that level yet yeah you might get there one day super talented all that but
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beauty is pretty good pretty pretty pretty good um what did you guys think about okay so we've
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kind of walked our way through the plot a bit but uh yeah the whole kind of escape from
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back to cross with with the you know with the immigrants through the tunnel and all that we get
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we get we owe to the hospital he gets you know tased um okay how's it gonna go this one but I love
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that reveal of you know like Benicio's you know Sensei's network around the whole city and they
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face so funny when Benicio like I said pulls up and it's him and he's got a six pack and they get
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a selfie I think Benicio posted the selfie that they took it away yeah you did that's uh I want to know
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I want to see yeah I think I've seen real fast like hey to your point like about earlier uh
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Richard about like all these all these people that are not real you know they're not actors that are
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part of this that the the the charge nurse or whatever that that you know yeah sends him on and like
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you're a bad ombre or whatever that was in she was incredible like that was a great performance for
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somebody who I don't think is an actor and is on screen for three minutes and I'm totally
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remembering that scene for a while I mean it's that's incredible yeah the interrogation guy right
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yeah yeah you know Danvers that's a lot of screen time and he is charming and terrifying and
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goes toe for toe some great actors and out performs a lot of them yeah and uh you know the way he
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starts with the kids and he starts working his way through uh you know the french 75 and all that
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and he's so good I was I was trying to I was like who is this guy he's familiar but not I'm like
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going I like to get 20 minutes to find his name or you know it's like wait because he's not
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really high in the building anymore he should he's like the sixth lead of this movie the the character
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my wife mentioned first as we left was Regina Hall she was last Regina Hall was incredible in that
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in that movie so had to had to mention that the way her character comes back around at the end I
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I really enjoyed the nurse too that that says all right um go down the fire escape right now yeah
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yeah yeah just some all little characters like that all really work super well too it
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are totally believable in this world and don't feel like they're doing Paul any favors like
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they're it really does feel supernatural and uh in love that I want to see a behind the scenes though
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of Leo falling off the building through the tree and getting tased yeah I don't have a shop that
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yeah because it's it looks like it's him the whole time did he really do that
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falls face first through a tree runs and then mealy gets tased and falls flat on his face on
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how and create I think I think Leo's whole like dad bod things one of the funniest I mean just
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just seeing him the butt with the bun the main bun yeah holy I mean the jump off the roof there
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he didn't even make it halfway like that would I like I like I I laughed so hard at that just me
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man fall for roots got arrested what he tries to make that jump and it's like not even close it's
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so funny such a such a good bit yeah there's some some genuine laugh out loud moments for sure
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and this most of them are around around Leo the dope panic bob scene where he gets the phone call
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and he's like I just got a little hi man and that whole him having to hype himself up to go do this
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yeah there's some great laughs there I mean I think we got to say chase infinity uh what a star
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incredible to be able to put her in everything almost every scene she has in the movie she is sharing with
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Sean pin Leonardo DiCaprio Bernicio del Toro and Regina Hall like incredible actors with
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you know tons of Oscar nominations between them and and by also going for it like just sitting
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there while Sean pin is is going insane literally in that in the chapel whatever and she's toe to toe
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is I would buy all the stock she's she was incredible in this just just my goodness
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yeah I wanted to mention that scene and the DNA test and the way they set that up with the tension
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you know as it's going over the test with them sitting there waiting for the results and you
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don't know what it's going to be in our entire future kind of hinges on it uh another great
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device by yeah my Paul there well that yeah fun fact
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named after Dr. Chase Meridian from bat and forever and for real Buzz Lightyear and Fendi in the
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on her last name's pain her middle name's infinity let's see chase infinity pain
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one to watch that's for sure favorite line in the movie was del Toro as he's getting arrested
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have you anything have you any alcohol today and just that little nod that he does a few small beers
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just yeah yeah he saw he's he's so funny man like comparing this with with you know he fits so much
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better in this than like the West Anderson world because he's so like loose and you know he's
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you know he can do anything he's a great actor but really fun to watch him just vibe
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hmm the last thing I got here where we hit a grade quick IMDB game Sean Penn
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known for four movies Richard can you name the four okay I'm gonna go fast times
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okay I'm gonna go milk okay um I'm gonna go
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I'll go I am Sam why not all right I will go hmm orthorns tough go ahead Brian let me
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think for I'm not typing can you just my fingers there up here I will I will I can you do that's
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right what one of them correct okay which one okay Brian go ahead um mystic river yeah okay
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deadman walking oh yeah just trying to think of what he was nominated for
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because he's got another one well the other one was like that Woody Allen movie isn't it I don't
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think that it shit it will be this before too long uh will be will be in there I feel like I'm
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I love your enthusiasm yeah yeah friends um I feel like I feel like I'm missing from from early that
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was a big deal uh casually as a war maybe yeah yeah thin red line maybe um he's not
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I wasn't in that all that much tree of life maybe okay game oh the game that's what I was trying
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to think of that's yeah that's a good that yeah let's go with mr. River the game and um
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uh uh dead man walking those are my three you got three of the four okay got
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mystic river milk and dead man walking okay the fourth one how is pastime's not in there
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she's I know right that's crazy uh the fourth one 2003's 21 grams with also with Benicio what
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in your e2 man in your e2 okay that's those off we got it she's probably why I don't read so yeah I
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agree this one will be a should be top four and fast times for sure one green it's weird that's
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board yet it's becoli became what he became and only would like never would have man would have
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expected one real quick I've got it right here Brian can you guess Benicio's time to begin we'll
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do this one go quicker if you can't they would so traffic got cicareo guy
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the last Jedi okay should be this yeah I know uh Phoenician scheme all right his is cicareo and
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traffic a job Brian usual suspects oh yeah that's stupid she had that one and guardians of the girl
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okay let me sense okay I was forgetting about that little part I wonder what algorithm they use
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to determine is it is grossing is it most popular on the app I don't know but it's always that's
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why we do the game because it's always it's always one you don't think about that it's a
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pop down the air is pulled up what's what's Leo's Titanic the departed gangs of New York and
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Wolf Wall Street okay I'm gonna go I'm gonna sub inception for gangs in New York you got it
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yep inception I really yeah inception departed Titanic Wolf of Wall Street wow surprise I got
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as many as I did yeah good job yeah and then I did the easy part something in there wow yeah no
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I was looking back at Leo's philography I mean the amount of all time directors that he's were I
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mean I'm trying to think of one still left that he hasn't worked with and he's like James Cameron
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Steven Spielberg you a bowl maybe yeah PTA Tarentino ready to I mean it's like Scorsese the list is
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is incredible I don't I don't know I'd like to ask him is there a one that you still want to work
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with before they stop directing you know um Chris no one he's worked with um yeah has he worked
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with Denise I don't think maybe Denise would be it would be cool interesting is PTA said like 20
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years ago lovely oh I promise you I'll work with him it's well he wanted him for buggy now but he
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first choice for buggy now yes yeah I mean they're they're a match made in heaven and there was a
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vibes I hope this I know Leo has to do at least three so it says he moves a year by contract and
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that's great but I hope this isn't his last PTA because they're they're all together yeah they're
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vibes match five sure so is this the number one performance of the year for you uh best actor
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so far so far yeah so far for sure so far like to me this would lead most
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categories yeah same but there's the other right I think it's I think we're in for a fun one
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boys I think it's going to be a fun little Oscar season it's it's shaping up to be our best in
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probably five or six years so I'm excited I think this one has a lot of potential in terms of
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the best picture just because it feels yeah at least you know politically like 2025 but you could
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probably go back in 10 years and be like yeah that's kind of the energy of everything back then
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without being heading 10 and literally taking it back to yeah the time so yeah really enjoyed
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this I'm gonna grade it out as a freaking A plus man this year I've looked at my letter box like
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this year has you know a handful that I feel like I'm gonna remember for a while so we're leaving
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like it's very close to here for me where the things that are really good are really good and
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then there's you know a bunch of B B plus type movies too and that's fine but yeah my top 10 right
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now if I had to lock it in I'd feel really good about it um in 10 years so that's cool
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still a lot to come A plus for me what about you Brian yeah A plus this is uh like I said I
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went back and looked at the last couple of years and I I would say this is the best movie I've
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seen at least since since Oppenheimer a couple of years ago so this I would be if this isn't my
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number one movie the year then I will feel like we have been blessed and highly favored this year
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this is this is really really freaking good are B be minus for me uh yeah it's just because they blew
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off a lock-joss face at the end right man and it was funny he's dead and then yeah the way they
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the way they bring him back for even more that was cool yeah it's very funny and the fact that the
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other funny thing I want to say one more time is very I thought this was great satire that he
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he's willing to do all this and kill his own daughter and you know for sake every bit of
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humanity and find and strive and strive and strive for for before he dies for what that crappy little
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office with a window right right yeah yeah for people that still made it still here you're still
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not good enough yeah you know he still hate you yeah hilarious yeah all right there you go no
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weekly recommends this week because we got a lot coming out yet in the VIP we're about to dig into
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