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Net Worth By Age In 2025 (Are You Above Average?)

In this episode of the Bigger Pockets Money Podcast, hosts Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench explore net worth by age in 2025, examining how individuals stack up against national averages. They discuss th...

Net Worth By Age In 2025 (Are You Above Average?)
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spk_0 Today we're sharing net worth by age to see exactly where you stack up.
spk_0 Whether you're new 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s or 60s, we have the data showing whether you're behind
spk_0 or ahead of the noise.
spk_0 Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the Bigger Pockets Money Podcast. My name is Mindy Jensen,
spk_0 and with me as always is my worthy co-host, Scott Trench.
spk_0 Thanks Mindy. You're the top 1% of Bigger Pockets Money co-hosts I've ever worked with.
spk_0 What things? Talking about net worth by age, including the percentiles there, the 10%
spk_0 tile, the 5% tile, and if you aspire to be like Mindy, the top 1% for net worth by age across
spk_0 all these different ranges here. So it's going to be a great discussion. We're going to preview
spk_0 the data with and without home equity. We're going to conjecture about how we think most people
spk_0 got into those ranges. You can tell us if you agree or not. And then we're going to discuss
spk_0 what needs to happen. Get into the top 10%, the top 5%, or the top 1%, in your 20s, 30s, 40s,
spk_0 and 50s, and 60s. And have a discussion about it. I am excited to jump in. First off, Scott,
spk_0 let's define net worth. What does net worth mean? Net worth is the total value of everything you
spk_0 own, all your assets minus the value of everything you owe your liabilities. This is distinct
spk_0 from a fire portfolio. If you've come across that term before here on Bigger Pockets Money,
spk_0 this is not just talking about the assets in a financial portfolio. This is including
spk_0 everything, which, for example, might include cash and savings accounts, investment accounts,
spk_0 like stocks, bonds, and retirement funds. We have real estate, including your primary residence.
spk_0 We have vehicles, personal property value, and business ownership stakes. And liabilities,
spk_0 of course, will be any debt whatsoever, which include mortgages, credit cards,
spk_0 student loans, car loans, personal loans, and anything else that you might owe. That's your
spk_0 net worth. We will break out the data, including and not including home equity, which is a common way
spk_0 to get a little bit more directionally accurate in understanding people's financial portfolios.
spk_0 And there's some really interesting data there. But there is no nationally syndicated database
spk_0 that just looks at what we refer to as a fire portfolio. Okay, Scott, what is your fire net worth?
spk_0 Fire portfolio is any property that you owe, any assets that you own that are specifically
spk_0 designed to be harvested to fund your future lifestyle. Typically, that's going to include
spk_0 investment accounts, like stocks, bonds, and retirement portfolios. And then the income streams
spk_0 that are associated with businesses, rental properties, or those types of things. It would exclude,
spk_0 for example, typically vehicles, personal property, and your primary residence.
spk_0 Scott, let's take a peek at net worth by age. Alrighty. So now we got a really
spk_0 complicated big time chart here. And the data is fantastic. It's based on a fed survey that
spk_0 comes out every three years. The fed is, this data is from 2022 and published in 2023.
spk_0 The next set of data is being collected now here in 2025 and will be publicly available
spk_0 towards the middle or end of 2026. So this is from a few years ago. Should be actually fairly
spk_0 accurate given the ups and downs of where things have gone over the last couple of years in the market.
spk_0 Although you might expect some of the top 1% numbers to be a little higher here in 2025 than they were
spk_0 when the data was originally collected. But it shows the breakout for net worth. And there's also a
spk_0 data set around for income for each of these age brackets and about five year increments all
spk_0 way from 18 to 80. And it's pretty cool to see the distributions here. We've got the bottomed
spk_0 quartile, the median, the 50 per 50th percentile, the 75th percentile, the 90th percentile, the 95th
spk_0 percentile, the top 5 percentile wealth, and then of course the top 1 percent or 99th percentile
spk_0 for the wealthiest Americans by age. All right. It's got this chart is a rather fascinating set of
spk_0 numbers. What are your biggest takeaways from what you see here? Yeah. Well, I think the first
spk_0 thing that jumps out is there's this narrative that everybody in America has got debt or whatever.
spk_0 And it's just not true, right? Even in the bottom 25th percentile of wealth in this country,
spk_0 we've got positive net worth all the way from 18 to 80 plus. So not until you get below the 25th
spk_0 percentile, do you begin to have the possibility of folks having negative net worths? And so people
spk_0 will say they've got debt. Lots of people say they have debt and they do have debt. But they don't
spk_0 necessarily have negative net worth. They're not net in debt across this country. And well,
spk_0 that's a big narrative out there. It's just not factually true based on the data that we have
spk_0 around net worth. So that's kind of one one fast standing point, I think is worth considering.
spk_0 The other one I think is is the vast differences between the the wealthiest Americans and those in
spk_0 the bottom 25th or 50th percentile. But it's many, many, many, many, many times the amount of wealth,
spk_0 65 times the amount of wealth in the 1824 year old range, 70, 80 times as much wealth in the 25th
spk_0 percentile. And it, you know, really escalates from there. So it's it's a pretty dramatic spread
spk_0 in terms of wealth across these percentiles. And then what I think is really interesting is the top
spk_0 10 percentile is, and we're going to focus on that a lot today in the discussion. This makes perfect
spk_0 sense to me. There's nothing about the numbers in this column that conflict with what we've learned
spk_0 here on bigger pockets money with the ability for ordinary Americans middle class, two middle class
spk_0 income earners, for example, to be able to accumulate these numbers over the course of a lifetime,
spk_0 as long as they don't make any big mistakes. And they follow the basics of personal finance,
spk_0 saving 15 to 20% of their income. That's a really fascinating takeaway from this. To get into the,
spk_0 you know, top 95th percentile, something's got to go right here beyond that. There's probably got to
spk_0 be some high income, so a little bit of luck. Some really good investing. And then for the top 1%
spk_0 multiple things I've got to go really well, right? You're probably talking about big business
spk_0 wins or elite income sustain for a very long period of time coupled with low spending. I do also
spk_0 want to observe that there's a big jump here in the 45 to kind of 65 range. We go from 8 million to
spk_0 22 million. That probably has to do with the fact that this is around the age that Americans
spk_0 begin to really inherit wealth at larger scale. So I imagine that this is that's having an impact
spk_0 on the big jump in this particular point in time, because we don't see that same bump in
spk_0 incomes around this time. Income growth is more around this, this kind of like 35 to 50 year old
spk_0 range. But the net worth jump here, I think, has probably got something to do with with
spk_0 generational wealth transfer. I think that's a really great point, Scott. To recap what you said
spk_0 at the beginning, 75% of Americans have a positive net worth. Right. Every age bracket. That's
spk_0 fascinating. Much higher percentage have positive net worth just at the 18 year old range, 1824
spk_0 year old range, even in that category, more than 75% of them have positive net worth, at least 88
spk_0 months to their name. I mean, I feel like much, but it's a lot better than some people. Again,
spk_0 going back and highlighting a couple of interesting numbers, if you're 30 to 34, you are in the median
spk_0 for your age group with $88,000 in net worth. You're in the top 10% with 538,000, the top 5% with
spk_0 $800,000 and the top 1% with $2.6 million. At age 50, and I won't go through all the other
spk_0 in between, you're going to be in the 50th percentile with $266,000, the 90th percentile with 2.5
spk_0 million, the 95th percentile with 4.4, and the top 1% with $13 million. And what I think is so
spk_0 interesting about those numbers is I think that the top 10% stands out as being very achievable,
spk_0 even on middle class incomes, as long as we're saving 20% or so of that income over a very
spk_0 long period of time and doing all the right things with our money, not making any big mistakes,
spk_0 getting distracted with consumer debt, and just investing consistently and aggressively in
spk_0 retirement accounts, for example. But to get into the top 5 or 1%, we have to layer in some type
spk_0 of bonus here, which is probably going to be a much higher income, upper middle class, or even a
spk_0 lead income, and then to get the top 1%, we're going to have to probably be dipping into the world
spk_0 of business or being world class professional paid, and it's absolutely top 1% for a long period of
spk_0 time in a very lucrative field. Yeah, I agree Scott. This is very achievable. The median absolutely
spk_0 achievable, the 75th percentile achievable, the 90th percentile at age 50, having $2.5 million
spk_0 to be in the 90th percentile, the top 10% of net worth by age, including your home equity. I
spk_0 think that's absolutely doable. And the 4.4 million getting into the top 5%, that is going to take
spk_0 some unfair advantages, but I don't think it's not achievable by any means. What do you need to do
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spk_0 Let's jump back in. Okay, when we exclude home equity, we have a very similar story for the
spk_0 most part. Every single category and up to the bottom 25th percentile still has a positive
spk_0 net worth in this country as a 2022 when this data was collected. And we just see a slight variation
spk_0 in a lot of these numbers, right? The percentage of wealth in one's home is not really the story
spk_0 of American wealth. It doesn't really change it in any way very much, but it is interesting to see
spk_0 the data without them. And we actually have a better visualization of this right here where we can
spk_0 talk about the percentage of one's wealth that is in their home across these categories. And we see
spk_0 that as a rule, the lower the percentile that you are in. So if you're in the 25th percentile
spk_0 you might have as much as half or three quarters of your wealth in your home equity in this
spk_0 situation, whereas the top 1% have less than 15% of their wealth in their home equity. The 95th
spk_0 percentile is in this kind of 15 to 25% range. The 90th percentile is typically in this 25 to 30
spk_0 percent range. The 75th percentile is in this 35 to 45 percent range. And the 50th percentile is
spk_0 in the 50 to 70 percent range. So the less net worth you have, typically the more of that as a
spk_0 percentage is in your home. So this reinforces everything that we've talked about for many years
spk_0 here on bigger pockets money. Housing is an expense. It is generally speaking a liability for the
spk_0 ordinary American the way that it is typically purchased. And the less housing your primary
spk_0 residence is as a percentage of your wealth, the higher the correlation with a elite level of net
spk_0 worth. Yeah, this is a really fun chart as well. In some instances it would caution you to
spk_0 not put all of your eggs in one home equity basket. That's right. Yeah. And I think what the story
spk_0 that's really being told up to about the 50th percentile is many Americans simply do not
spk_0 accumulate much wealth outside of the four savings account, which is really the home equity,
spk_0 right? When you make the mortgage payment every single month for 20 years, you're building equity
spk_0 in there. But it's not really until you get to the 75th or 90th percentile that you really see the
spk_0 separation from folks who are intentionally building wealth every single month for years outside
spk_0 of that home equity. And I really really thoughtful about that approach. And that separation just
spk_0 compounds the older people get is what the data appears to be suggesting here. One other interesting
spk_0 thing, this is a representation of American wealth with home equity in the next slide here is
spk_0 without that home equity. And what we see here is that wealth typically peaks in the 65 to 69
spk_0 percent range. That makes perfect sense to me for a lot of folks is that's when people will stop
spk_0 working and begin to retire. Maybe they're beginning to give away more assets. Maybe they're
spk_0 beginning to generational wealth transfers. That makes perfect sense to me. That's when most net
spk_0 worth begins to peak earnings. I believe peak just a few years before that for most people
spk_0 as well. That's kind of an interesting little tidbit there. Of course, that's the same with and
spk_0 home equity here. Should we get into the good stuff of how to get into these top desisals, Mindy?
spk_0 Yes, Scott. Let's jump into how you get to this massive net worth starting in your 20s.
spk_0 Let's be clear. We are conjecturing here, right? We don't have hard data on how all of these people
spk_0 accumulated all of this wealth. We really only have income data and net worth data. And then of
spk_0 course, we're supplementing that with the hundreds, the 10,000 hours between us easily, maybe 20,000
spk_0 hours between us that we've spent Mindy, you and I studying personal finance, early retirement,
spk_0 and other wealth building strategies, the hundreds of interviews. But this is what we're conjecturing
spk_0 here based on what we've seen over this time. We'll start with your 20s. I think that to get
spk_0 into the top 1 to 10% begin the snowball and hopefully stay there for the duration of your life,
spk_0 you really just have to do a couple of basic things right in your 20s. One is just be disciplined
spk_0 through high school and college work a little bit in the summers or after school, save a little
spk_0 bit, invest and don't accumulate debt. Don't accumulate a ton of college debt when you go to
spk_0 university, pick a school that is affordable for you. If you're lucky enough to have a paid for,
spk_0 that's great too. But don't graduate with a ton of college with a ton of debt and graduate with
spk_0 a marketable degree. Keep your expenses low and max out your retirement accounts, check all the
spk_0 boxes and maybe do a side hustle or two, especially in high school or college to supplement that
spk_0 income. And I think that a lot of people can get into this top 10% range by simply not making any
spk_0 mistakes and following that very basic playbook in their 20s. I think all four of those ideas
spk_0 got are absolutely doable by anybody. I will caveat that the graduate from college with a marketable
spk_0 degree college is not for everybody. So of course you can go and get a trade that is very marketable
spk_0 as well. There's absolutely all four of these are doable by anybody. Absolutely, right? To get
spk_0 into top 5%, something else has got to go right here, right? It's a little harder to generate
spk_0 $400,000 in wealth coming out of your 20s. If you don't have at least a pretty high income here,
spk_0 if you don't start pretty early and maybe if you don't have some kind of side hustle. So I'm throwing
spk_0 in that the folks that get into the top 5% are either going to be these much higher earners who have
spk_0 really invested in that particularly marketable degrees and have really thrown themselves into their
spk_0 career in a hardcore way. Maybe some folks who are beginning to start to build a small business,
spk_0 we've talked to a couple of entrepreneurs in their 20s who have been able to do that. And then I
spk_0 think house hacking is a huge cheat code. You can buy a house hack in your 2324 maybe two or three.
spk_0 I mean, you should be able to easily get into these even if you don't have the elite income
spk_0 on the side there. Right, because that $400,000 is including your home equity. Yeah, all these
spk_0 numbers that we're talking about are the ones that include home equity. But getting up to the top
spk_0 1% Scott, the 600,000 to 2.1 million in your 20s, having that as your net worth even with your
spk_0 house hack, even with your home equity, you're going to need to be pulling some some other
spk_0 levers, some big levers here. And by the way, we're going to presume that you're not going to inherit
spk_0 Mary Rich, get lucky or win and gambling or any of those types of crazy things. This is how
spk_0 somebody without one of these cheat codes can potentially get into these categories. And if you
spk_0 are going to be all about elite income and super high upside bets that pay off pretty quickly
spk_0 on a relative standpoint. So you can get in this level if you go into big law, for example,
spk_0 you can get in this level if you go to investment banking or join one of the big consulting firms
spk_0 and really crush it in your 20s. And those types of very high income lucrative careers.
spk_0 You can get there with entrepreneurship. Perhaps if you go through one of these Y combinator
spk_0 exercises and have a good valuation on a business, you can get there by joining a business that
spk_0 begins to take off. This is what I did in my 20s. You can get there by, you know, maybe if you
spk_0 have pretty high income, like a, like just in the bubble of that top 1%, which by the way is like
spk_0 170 grand in your 20s. So you can't really get to this this level unless you're making that for
spk_0 most of your 20s and maybe serial house hacking or live in flipping in that category. And you're
spk_0 going to get into the low end of the top 1%. By the way, we sometimes social ranges for these. So
spk_0 the top 1% of 600 grand for a young person, their younger portion of 20s, 1824. And the top 1%
spk_0 for wealth for someone in their older 20s is going to be about 2.1 million. That's 25 to 29.
spk_0 Well, let's look at your 30s, Scott. What do you think you need to do to be in the top 10%
spk_0 in your 30s? So I'm going to encourage you to start strategically job hopping. I've said it
spk_0 before and I'll say it again, the retention budget is not nearly as high for a company as their
spk_0 new acquisition budget. So simply moving companies is going to get you a significantly higher income
spk_0 than if you stay at the same company for 10 years. Continuing to develop your skills, you not only
spk_0 want to job hop, but you want to make a lot of companies want to hire you, not just one person who's
spk_0 like, I guess you'll be okay. Lifestyle creep and avoiding lifestyle creep is going to be a huge
spk_0 factor in your 30s as well as geographic arbitrage. If you can make the same money in a far lower
spk_0 cost of living area or slightly less money in a far lower cost of living area, that's going to be
spk_0 a net win for you. To be in the top 10% for your early 30s, 30 to 34, you need $538,000 in personal
spk_0 net worth, including your home equity. And to be in the top 10% by your late 30s, 35 to 39,
spk_0 you need about $864,000. And what I think is stands out about those numbers is if you just do
spk_0 the basics, you show up to a career that has reasonable long-term potential, you save 20% of your
spk_0 income, you take advantage of tax advantage retirement accounts, you do what Mindy just said and you
spk_0 actually make sure you understand your market value and you're either demanding that raise or
spk_0 being willing to switch jobs to get those promotions and raises. And you're not moving the
spk_0 goalpost, you're not continually spending all that you earn, I think that this is very achievable
spk_0 for the typical listener of the bigger pockets money podcast, the typical listener household,
spk_0 or the bigger pockets money podcast. I think it's, I think it's, don't make any mistakes and just
spk_0 keep investing, just keep buying over that time period and think you can get there. When you start
spk_0 thinking about the top 5%, which is 800 grand for somebody between ages of 30 and 34, or 1.4 million
spk_0 for somebody between the ages of 35 and 39, now something else has to be layered in
spk_0 besides the basics of continuing to progress your financial situation and paying attention for,
spk_0 you know, you can't just pay attention for 10 years, something else has got to go reasonably well
spk_0 to get in that top 5%. What do you think Mindy? Yep, you're making calculated career risks or moves,
spk_0 especially in your early 30s, if you're not married, if you don't have kids, if you have very low
spk_0 cost of living, or even just like a lower cost of living, you can take these risks,
spk_0 God, I'm going to use you as an example, moving from a company that wasn't your jam to a startup,
spk_0 where you believed in the company you thought they had exponential growth opportunities,
spk_0 and you decided to take that risk or that bet. It paid off for you very well, but if it hadn't
spk_0 you could then hop to another company, try that risk again. Starting to build a real estate portfolio,
spk_0 gosh, God, this is looking a lot like you. Continuing on from when we said in your 20s,
spk_0 you are house hacking, you are starting to create wealth in that way. Now you're continuing to create
spk_0 real estate wealth. Side hustle that is adjacent to your current career. So we're not talking about
spk_0 driving for Uber or doing those smaller dollar side hustles. We're talking about consulting
spk_0 and starting a business, like a side business that is adjacent to the job that you're doing right now.
spk_0 I think that once we get into the top 1%, which is 2.6 million for 30 to 34 year olds and 4.7
spk_0 million for 35 to 39 year olds, that's when big moves have to go right. You're talking about
spk_0 business. You're talking about you just got promoted to managing director and your investment
spk_0 banking career or partner and you're consulting or big law career. You're talking about owning a small
spk_0 business, you're having multiple income streams, your serial entrepreneur, you have a very sophisticated
spk_0 tax optimization structure, maybe you're a real estate professional. This is where you are really
spk_0 more of the entrepreneur or the elite income owner. You've been at the top of the pack in your
spk_0 profession for a decade or more and that's really beginning to compound into just massive,
spk_0 massive income generation. And on top of that income generation, you're actually conserving
spk_0 a good bit of that and investing it for the future. So a lot of things that go right to be in
spk_0 that top 1%, and even highly skilled people who give it their best may not be able to get into that
spk_0 level. Something also has to go right alongside those efforts and the very strategic moves.
spk_0 And I think these moves that you're making in your 30s are compounding on the moves that you
spk_0 were making in your 20s. So you are still having a good savings rate. You're having a fairly close
spk_0 eye on your expenses and you are continuing to max out your retirement accounts and investing
spk_0 continuously. And I think that's the theme here, right? Because we're going to go to the next
spk_0 slide here in our 40s. And we see that the number for the top 10% jumps to 1.18 million.
spk_0 And that seems like an absurd number, right? If you're if you have a hundred grand and you're 40,
spk_0 you're going to feel like I'm way behind. But if you are 33 and have $538,000 because you just
spk_0 did all the things you talked about in the 20s, then that will compound easily. If historical
spk_0 returns continuing anything close to what they've been doing over the very long period of time,
spk_0 to this number of 1.18 million in your early 40s, 40 to 44, right? So it's just about continuing
spk_0 that trajectory, continuing to make no mistakes. This middle class couple that has accumulated,
spk_0 individual or couple that's accumulated half a million bucks by age 33,
spk_0 well, they may actually doing better by the time they're in their early 40s. If they just keep
spk_0 stay and invested and keep adding to the pile by saving 10, 20% of their income. So it's really just
spk_0 about continuity over your 20s and 30s to get into this top 10% in your 40s at this point.
spk_0 The difference between the top 10%, which is 1.18 to 1.42 million and the top 5%, 1.9 million to
spk_0 2.79 million. There's not that much difference between these two. You are continuing to save and
spk_0 invest consistently. You are maxing out your retirement accounts and taking advantage of all of
spk_0 these options that you have to put money away for retirement, reduce your taxable income,
spk_0 4, 15 or 20 years. You are continuing to not take on consumer debt. You're not keeping up with the
spk_0 Joneses. You are not buying the latest and greatest of all the things. I think it's when you move
spk_0 into the top 1% that these dials need to be turned up and cranked up. The top 1%, we're talking about
spk_0 7.84 million up to 8.7 million dollars. Building a business, investing in real estate again for 20 years.
spk_0 Elite income for $500,000 a year for a decade or more while still not spending all of that money.
spk_0 And while continuing to invest in these aggressive assets, even joining a startup or one of the
spk_0 that used to be a startup and is now just a really great company. The Feng companies come to mind
spk_0 an established startup now. What is that called? Scott. I talk about joining a startup for Feng. I
spk_0 know you are an early employee or an executive or reasonably hyped the ranks at a Facebook,
spk_0 at a Google, at a Nvidia. That's the kind of level here. To get to $7.8 million in net worth,
spk_0 reasonably self-made, not inheriting wealth from somebody in your early 40s, there's a business
spk_0 outcome that has transpired here. Or you've gotten very, very lucky. But for the most part,
spk_0 this is going to be sustained elite levels of production, a little bit of luck or a business
spk_0 outcome that is going to drive you here. You can get there with real estate if you're continuing to
spk_0 do it over and over and over again for 20 plus years, maintaining a reasonable high level of leverage.
spk_0 We do some real estate investors in that category, especially if they're raising capital or managing
spk_0 money in those areas. But you got to do something different to get to this level here. This is not
spk_0 just due to the basics, right? This is some really serious bets have paid off that are giving you a
spk_0 very disproportionate outcome. We have only hit the top 5% of this episode. We'll be back with more
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spk_0 Thanks for sticking with us. Yes, I'm going to correct you on one thing, Scott. You said luck,
spk_0 and I don't think there's luck involved in here. What is that? Luck is when preparation meets
spk_0 opportunity or luck is when hard work meets opportunity. I think that if you're doing this top 1%
spk_0 net worth by your 40s, it's because you have been working hard on these. You have been taking
spk_0 bets that have paid out. These are going to be strategic bets. These aren't just, hey, I think this
spk_0 new currency is going to go through the roof. You're doing things you are doing on purpose.
spk_0 Yeah, there's always that one guy that mined Bitcoin in college, and now he's a petroleum
spk_0 air. But that's not the guy that we're talking about here. We're talking about people who are making
spk_0 educated bets on things that they truly believe in. Awesome. Let's move to 50s.
spk_0 What kind of money are we talking about in our 50s and the top 10% is 2.56 million to 2.67 million.
spk_0 So not a huge spread there, but still 2.5 million dollars to make it into your top 10% of all
spk_0 net worth in age 50s is great. And again, you're doing a lot of the same things that you've been doing.
spk_0 You're saving and investing consistently. You are living on 80% or less of your take home pay,
spk_0 and you are following a consistent investment playbook in a reasonably aggressive portfolio.
spk_0 I think to have 2.5 million dollars by the time you're in your 50s, you're not investing in
spk_0 safe investments. You're doing a little bit of risky investing. And by risky, I mean high risk
spk_0 kind reward investing, not gambling. I think what's interesting here, Mindy, is if we go back and
spk_0 look at like the like let's say 30 to 34 year olds had 538,000 in the top 10%. That doubled almost
spk_0 exactly a little bit more than tiny bit more than doubled, but for the top 10% in their 40s.
spk_0 But then it almost multiplied by a good chunk more than that, right? Almost like almost 2.5,
spk_0 maybe like 2.3 times as much here in their 50s. And I think it's happening here is it's the same
spk_0 concept we described, right? To be in the top 10% in your 50s, you're continuing to just do all
spk_0 the basics right. It's just that 25 years of compounding is going great. This is the millionaire
spk_0 next door, right? They've just spent less than they've earned, taken advantage of retirement accounts,
spk_0 worked a middle class, or maybe higher salary for that time, and just continued to crank it out.
spk_0 But I think what also is different is these people are probably, is all includes home equity.
spk_0 These people they've probably been in their home for a long period of time now. And what that means
spk_0 is that all the additional dollars being earned or bigger chunk of the additional dollars
spk_0 being earned between their 40s and their 50s can now go towards investments, right? All those
spk_0 little raises that stack up little bonuses or whatever over the years, they can all go towards
spk_0 investments. And they're not going into the early, the purchase of that home or disproportionately
spk_0 to the home equity, like they were maybe in the 30s and 40s. And that's why you're seeing a slightly
spk_0 larger increase in net worth proportional to the 20s versus 30s or the 30s versus 40s.
spk_0 So I think that's probably what's going on here. But again, it's very achievable for this
spk_0 middle class household that is consistent over a working career to be able to do this. And there,
spk_0 you just can't make any big mistakes or have any of these big setbacks and you got to be consistent
spk_0 following a reasonable playbook here. To get in the top 5% where we got 4.4 to 6 million,
spk_0 moving into this kind of fat fire, chubby fire area. Now it's the same concept. The same people who
spk_0 are in that category in the 40s are likely to be in their 50s as long as they continue it.
spk_0 But you just have to layer in that next little bit of, right? There's probably an upper middle class
spk_0 salary or more. I'd speculate that the folks in this category have now by now, when their 50s had
spk_0 a couple of really outlier years. They're not consistently earning 350k a year, but I bet you
spk_0 that the majority of these folks have had one year, one to two years where they have earned in that
spk_0 350k plus or that top 1% for a better get a top 1% income for at least one of those years.
spk_0 And I think that they've also just done all the basics right for the majority of that time.
spk_0 But I don't think that these people necessarily need to have sold a business or been entrepreneurial
spk_0 or had some outlier, outlier crazy thing happen with with Fang stock in order to get this category.
spk_0 I think this is approachable for a good number of people who are talented and capable in earning
spk_0 that upper middle class salary, but are not necessarily crazy lucky or have that that entrepreneurial
spk_0 crazy preparation meets opportunity going into the top 1% 13.2 million to 15.3 million.
spk_0 This is when your preparation has truly met your opportunity or your hard work has truly met
spk_0 your opportunity. You have built a business that has turned into a very valuable business and you
spk_0 are selling it or it's generating a lot of income that you are then turning into other investments.
spk_0 You've invested in real estate for 30 plus years and you are regularly refinancing and
spk_0 sustaining your leverage. You have that elite level of income. You're a doctor, lawyer, tech,
spk_0 executive, 500,000 plus, including not spending 500,000 plus per year. So you're you're living a
spk_0 nice lifestyle, but you are socking away a large percentage of that income. And you're investing
spk_0 in aggressive investments. You have to be truly elite or have had an outcome and event
spk_0 propel you at some point in your life and then your wealth has compounded from there
spk_0 in order to get into this range without inheriting your wealth. And by the way, again, I do think
spk_0 that there is inheritance is a beginning to start to be a player here in these wealth numbers
spk_0 that we're looking at here. 13.2 million dollars for someone in their early 50s, 15 million dollars
spk_0 for someone in their later 50s. Those are staggering numbers. And this is around the age when people
spk_0 do begin to inherit wealth. So I wouldn't be surprised if this is beginning to pad these numbers
spk_0 in a more meaningful way. Few people inherit wealth in their 20s or 30s these days, this kind of wealth.
spk_0 And more of that is being inherited by people in their 50s and 60s.
spk_0 Yeah, I think that's a really good point. I think that that might even be more of a factor than
spk_0 we're considering in that the upper ends of that top 1%. Okay, Scott, let's look at the 60s.
spk_0 Yeah, so same thing here. This is around time when people start to retire. So I'm not surprised
spk_0 to see that we didn't see the top 10% double from their 50s to their 60s. This is when people are
spk_0 starting to probably transition to more draw down style portfolios. But again, I think that this
spk_0 outcome of 2.9 to 3 million depending on your early late 60s is not that far out of reach for a
spk_0 middle class family who has just been responsible over the course of a career and has sucked away 20%
spk_0 of their middle or up with middle class income for the duration of a career have maintained a
spk_0 professional financial plan on playbook. And I've just invested intelligently throughout adulthood.
spk_0 I think that at this point, there's probably a good number of people who have paid off that primary
spk_0 residence in there, which is which is helping that out and making life a lot simpler and easier
spk_0 to plan for from a cash flow perspective. I don't think this is a ridiculously special outcome
spk_0 that would be unattainable to the average listener here on bigger pockets money in today's
spk_0 America to have this this this equivalent outcome without having to do really anything creative
spk_0 or really earn a particularly large income over the course of a career. Absolutely agree. And that's
spk_0 just being consistently investing over the course of your adulthood will get you this top 10%
spk_0 net worth very easily. Top 5% we see a pretty big jump we're going from 2.9 to 3 in the top 10%
spk_0 all the way up to 6.3 to 6.8 in the top 5%. Again, you're saving and investing consistently over 30 or
spk_0 40 years. You are maxing out your retirement accounts and taking advantage of all the tax
spk_0 advantage opportunities you have by reducing your taxable income instead of paying Uncle Sam
spk_0 you're paying yourself. I think that's great. You probably had a couple of really high income
spk_0 years but not like a sustained 300,000 a year plus career. You've just probably maxed that out
spk_0 under the end. The top 1% I think that this 17.8 million to 22 million in the top 1% of net worth
spk_0 is coming in with your idea of inheriting some of this. But you could also very easily have had
spk_0 a small business that just went bonkers. You're an overnight success in just 20 short years or 40
spk_0 short years by starting this business in your 20s. You are now starting to see the exponential
spk_0 results of having a good a well-run business. Yeah, I mean, this is somebody you had an enormous
spk_0 business outcome or truly remarkable career. I think executive of a company you've heard of or
spk_0 professional athlete or big time author or has built a business owned a business for a very
spk_0 long period of time that produced a very high level of income. Everybody who didn't inherit
spk_0 wealth into the 18 to 22 million dollar range probably had an extraordinary career and had a
spk_0 very sophisticated approach to managing their money across a lifetime. And that's why they're in
spk_0 that that position there. You're not going to get here by earning a middle class or upper middle
spk_0 class salary and sucking away your money and index funds most likely. Something went right at
spk_0 some time in your life or maybe multiple times in your life that drastically accelerated your wealth
spk_0 and you've got a very, very largest state. I would surmise that in their 60s a lot of people in the
spk_0 fire community will find themselves in this top 5% number just because the nature of how conservative
spk_0 4% role planning is for example. And I think that we'll see a small chunk of them make it into
spk_0 this top 1% but those are the ones who really have the business or entrepreneurial edge attached
spk_0 that either that or those who have invested in aggressive high risk high reward opportunities.
spk_0 So I mean, this is a vast amount of wealth at this point that really gives you a lot of options.
spk_0 You can do almost anything anything you could dream of with with 20 million bucks short of buy and
spk_0 Brad Pitt's house or whatever. You know, in Malibu, whatever. This is an incredible outcome.
spk_0 And congratulations to the 1%, which is quite a large number of people in their 60s who have
spk_0 built a 17 plus million dollar personal net worth. I agree with your assessment that most people
spk_0 will find themselves in the top 10 to top 5% of net worth. Yeah, most people who listen to bigger
spk_0 pockets money and are actively taking a proactive approach to managing their finances across a lifetime.
spk_0 I think that this is a very achievable goal if you start in your 20s or 30s, just doing the very
spk_0 basics right. I think you got to layer in some kind of winning card in order to get in the top what
spk_0 5% and then you got to have a really powerful outcome at some point in your life if you ever want
spk_0 to break into the top 1% in these age ranges. Yes, I meant to say bear pockets money listeners.
spk_0 Well, just a quick note. For those curious, again, we talked about this earlier, but the data is
spk_0 based on a Fed survey via dqyDJ.com. There are 131 million households in the United States as of that
spk_0 2022 survey. And then these charts were constructed by this person here. Thank you very much.
spk_0 And we appreciate your work. If you have any questions or want to talk about this further, we always
spk_0 invite you to join us here on YouTube in the comments section or join our Facebook group at
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spk_0 We'd love to have you join the community. So tell us how you stack up and what you're doing to get
spk_0 into the top 1% top 5% or top 10% and tell us if you disagree or have other hypotheses about how folks
spk_0 made it into these categories. Thank you so much for listening and joining us today.
spk_0 All right, Scott. This was super fun, but we should hop out of here. Let's do it.
spk_0 That wraps up this episode of the bigger pockets money podcast. He is Scott Trench. I am Mindy Jensen saying
spk_0 God a dash cash.