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Jimmy Herring: ARU, Panic, and Beyond
In this episode of the 100 Guitarists Podcast, hosts Nick Millevoi and Jason Shadrick dive deep into the musical journey of renowned guitarist Jimmy Herring, exploring his extensive discography and in...
Jimmy Herring: ARU, Panic, and Beyond
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Hey, this is Nick Millevoi. And this is Jason Shadrick. And this is the 100 guitarist podcast.
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We talk about one of the 100 guitarists that we think you should know on every episode.
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Jason, why don't you do the on. Well, you got your shot with Neil Young.
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This week we're talking about one of my all-time favorite guitar players. Yes, I am biased. His name is Jimmy Herring.
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On top three, what position does he hold?
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That's a good question. I can't say one.
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But he's not three.
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That sounds very clear.
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So I mean, he's up there for me. He's he's an incredible player, the nicest guy ever.
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And we are going to go deep into his discography. Deep deeper Nick than you ever could imagine you would ever go into a jam band player's discography.
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Those are very true words.
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Much deeper than I've ever gone and I learned a lot along the way in my listening journey, which we'll get into.
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And we have a special guest with us today. Yes, we have Rob Compa, formerly of the band Dope a pod, former premier guitar lesson columnist.
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By the way, I don't know if you if I even told you that right now plays in the band neighbor.
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And most importantly, his most defining features that he lives in Burlington, Vermont.
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So that's the hub of all things jam band. So that's all I needed to know. We brought Rob in.
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And me and Rob geeked out while you chimed in from time to time with your dissenting opinions, I guess.
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I don't know.
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I like to think I served is balancing a pain.
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Don't want to spoil it.
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I don't descend so much.
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Nick, we made sure for Nick to save his favorite Jimmy Herring record till the very end of the show.
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It's true.
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It's true. It's true. I did. I got to drop it. Was it. Would you call that a deep cut? It's not really a deep cut.
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No, I'm not a deep cut. But Rob had never heard it.
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Yeah, but then again, Rob even admitted self admittedly. He wasn't. He didn't have his finger on the pulse of what's been coming out the last seven years apparently.
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But what I will say is that I think if you're like me.
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I like to think that if you're if you're like me and you've heard about Jimmy Herring, you've heard like this guy's really great.
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People say he's amazing, but the jamness of it is intimidating or whatever.
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Or you've heard a few things. You've heard some widespread panic stuff. And it's not really for you.
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But you've heard this guy's really great. You want to know where to go.
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I tried to make sure that between the two of you guys getting super duper deep on the deepest of deep jam cuts.
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Did I think it's all in there? I think this is hopefully we delivered a little bit for everything in this conversation.
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I think you can walk away from this episode with a slightly bit slightly more curated view of Jimmy's recorded output than probably what I gave you.
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Well, before we get to all that, we want to remind you you can get at us by dropping us a line.
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And with that, Nick, I think we should get to our Jimmy hearing deep dive.
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Here we go.
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All right.
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Rob, how are you doing all the way from the jam band Haven that is Vermont?
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I knew if we're talking jam bands, I have to get a Vermont resident on the call.
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It's the only qualification I needed.
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That's it.
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That is it.
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So, Rob, we haven't caught up in a while.
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Formerly of Dope a Pod now of neighbor, which one of my other favorite guitar players, Lion Brewer, was in and you took over for a while.
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How's the neighbor gig going?
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It's going great, man.
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I'm finally, I mean, they have a lot of music.
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So, it's taken a long time for it to become sort of second nature.
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But I finally like, I'm starting to get comfortable enough where I don't need any like cheat sheets in front of me.
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And I can look around and enjoy the gig and smile and have a great time.
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And it's, yeah, it's really a game changer to get it internalized a little better, you know.
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That's good.
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So, we're having fun.
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Yeah.
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You guys hitting some shows this fall, doing some recording, what do you got going on?
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All of that.
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Yeah.
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Well, we do at least two weekend runs every month.
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But next month, we're doing like a whole, like a tour, like two weeks or something like that, which I haven't been away from home for that long of a stretch since last year.
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And my kid's a lot more of a handful when he was then.
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So, I'm more worried about my wife than myself and how she's going to be.
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That's right.
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But, yeah, we have that and we're going to start recording well.
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We're out on the road on a couple of off days too.
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Because they have so much music that they've, they've, they only have one album on Spotify, but they have so many songs.
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It's crazy.
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So, you're going to record the box set first.
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Yeah.
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It's like the first thing and then kind of do it backwards.
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I guess so.
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Yeah.
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If you like.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Well, I brought you all here for a very important reason and that is to pay tribute to one of our collectively favorite guitar players.
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Jimmy Haring.
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Now, Rob, I got to ask you, when did you first become aware of Jimmy Haring?
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I was, I was like fresh out of high school, like maybe a freshman in college.
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And I used to go see this band locally called the niche.
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And I was friends with them and I would sit in with them and stuff.
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And their keyboard player one night was like, do you like Jimmy Haring?
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And I was like, I don't know who that is.
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And he was like, I could, I would have sworn that you loved him because like you kind of remind me of him a little bit when you play.
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No, I'm not mine.
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I probably didn't sound that great, you know, but, but it was kind of enough to like at least make that comparison.
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I was like, wow, okay, I'll check him out, you know.
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And I remember being like, is he tasteful?
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And he was like, he's the most tasteful.
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You're not even going to believe it.
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He's the least.
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Yeah.
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And, and I don't think YouTube was even a thing yet.
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So I actually went on a aquarium rescue units website, which was like, it looked like.
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Like just like like their fan made, yeah, like a fan made it or something.
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And they had some video clips of like, you know, that the footage in like Florida where he's got the Seattle Mariners hat on and the black strat.
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And that was the first Jimmy Haring.
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That's a rip and that's a rip and soul.
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He takes on that too.
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I mean, it was some I was almost like, you can't do that.
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You know, I was, you know, I don't remember what song it was.
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It was just a random clip.
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But I was like, you can't do that.
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And that was post that line up of a aquarium rescue was post Bruce Hampton.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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With Paul Hanson, right?
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Yeah.
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I think that's right.
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Yep.
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And Kofi was there too.
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Yeah.
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Saip and Oteel and yep.
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Great.
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So Nick, let's flash back to last week when you first discovered Jimmy Haring.
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All right.
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So.
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We, we, you know, I tried to save any discussion about this other than your recommendations.
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Oh, boy, was it for the podcast here?
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I was an all time, my recommendation list for you.
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That's an all time.
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And that was off the top of my head.
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There's, there's no place.
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There's nothing that isn't worth the suggestion.
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I mean,
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let's go.
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I was going even into like the side.
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We make an album where he makes or like, I mean, we got deep in a frog wings.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Hang on.
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Let's, let's talk about that for a second.
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Look.
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Look.
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Look at that.
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Right there.
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Boom.
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He's ready.
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All right.
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Everybody who's not a jam fan fan is going to turn off at this point.
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Because I will tell you there is an art to curation.
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Okay.
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Jason gave me a listen.
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He goes, here's the essential Jimmy Haring.
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And five minutes later, my, my Apple music Spotify.
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My Apple, my Apple music algorithm was destroyed because I'm adding all these things.
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And then he goes, Oh, dude, I forgot.
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You have to listen to.
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Croaking it toads by frog wings.
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And he's like, dude, you say that to somebody who's not into jam bands.
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That's it.
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You've lost.
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You completely lose the other person.
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You have to keep.
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There's a craft.
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Croaking it toads by frog wings is not.
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That just sounds like exactly.
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It sounds like exactly what I think somebody's jam bands.
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The album would be.
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So it's like, it was like, AI would have come up.
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If you're like, Hey, yeah, give me a live jam band album from the 90s.
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And they'll be like early 2000s.
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Like, yeah, Croaking it toads live frog.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And so I did put it on.
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I did put on Croaking it toads by frog wings.
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And the first song I was like, this is great.
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Okay.
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And then John popper started singing on the next track.
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And I was like, okay, I don't know about this.
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I'm not a John popper guy.
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But I'll back up just to back up a little bit.
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So you dumped all this stuff on me.
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And I'm like, oh, my God.
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What do I have to wave through here?
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But this has been a little bit of a journey for me.
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And I bet that I'm not the only person who feels this way.
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Because I have heard since I was in high school that Jimmy Harry and his somebody
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I need to check out.
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And everything I would hear.
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I would hear widespread panic.
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I almost said string cheese incident.
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So you can see where I'm.
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Okay, you can see how I have all of this.
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This this lump I've made in my musical brain.
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Like, I heard them.
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It didn't really do it for me.
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That wasn't for me.
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But then I would hear little clips of things.
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So I'm going to check out this solo.
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And I'd be like, okay, Jimmy Harry is incredible.
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Okay, show me the thing.
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Right.
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Show me the thing.
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And I've never gotten there.
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And I've never done a serious deep dive.
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Saw some live videos here and there where I've been blown away by Jimmy Harry and
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it's playing.
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But this was the first time I extensively listened to Jimmy Harry for the past few days.
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Doing my research here.
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And I have, you know, I.
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I've listened to all of the notes a lot of times.
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I was going to say you're looking good.
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I don't know what it is.
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But yeah, you're like, you're going to get notes.
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So anyway, so there that's that's my perspective here is I am totally new to this.
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I have been looking for the right Jimmy Harry and that I'm going to like.
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And I believe I found it.
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Don't spill yet.
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Don't spill yet.
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It's not widespread panic.
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It's a and it's for me aquarium rescue unit is a strong taste.
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This wasn't that either.
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Okay, well hold on.
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I appreciate I would say that you know just for the future for you know Rob,
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I don't know what your perspective on this is.
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I don't know where you I would love to hear.
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I will get to it where you would point somebody to you.
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But for Jason, I would say next time somebody's coming in.
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Curie.
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I did.
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Curie.
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Oh, I did.
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I told you.
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Rob the list just went on and on.
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Well, I understand you go ahead.
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Well, I think if it were me, I would have started with kick and buck off of croaking at
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Toads.
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That would have been the first break tune.
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That one was great.
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Especially just even even just the solo Jimmy solo from it.
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Like I could have fast forwarded to that.
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That's usually like when I like one of my favorite things is showing somebody that solo who's
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never heard it before and like watching their reaction.
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I remember that when I first got that croaking at Toads CD, I put it on in the Doberpod
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van when we were driving to some show and I was like, just wait, you're not going to believe
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this in the room.
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You know, just the Jimmy solo.
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I mean, everything's great about it.
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Like a teal solo right before everything.
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But when they go into double time for his solo and it starts off really long Tony and then
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all of a sudden, it's kind of warp speed.
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It's also my like the most ideal lead guitar tone I've ever heard in my life.
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Like it's, it's just everything to me, you know, his tone that I remember.
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So I remember hearing him play on that Phil Lesh record that would have been high school or college.
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And hearing his guitar tone was something that really caught my where I was like, oh, what,
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like what's this guy?
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That's, that's different.
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That's unique.
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And yeah, I've really vived on that for sure.
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But anyways, so you did get shown croaking at Toads first and I guess that wasn't the place, you know.
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But you can Bach would have done it just the track.
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Yeah.
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And for me, my, my, my, there's no singing on it either.
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So that's the thing.
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My problem with the album has nothing to do with Jimmy Herring.
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It's it like I feel like I've listened to the blues traveler that I need to hear in my life.
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So I, I'm just John Popper Fobick.
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Yeah.
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And what's red spread panic wouldn't be where I would first show somebody Jimmy Herring either because it's not his band, you know.
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Yeah.
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So it's like he, he does the job he's supposed to do in that band because he's a professional, you know, like that's what he definitely.
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That's what he joined the band almost 20, almost 20 years ago now.
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Like I had known of widespread before then, of course.
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But having him in the band maybe want to listen to it more.
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I never had a real inkling to listen to widespread in any kind of focused way until he joined the band.
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And then when I saw the band, I realized two things.
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One, they, they're, they might be the most rocking.
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And I mean that like in a literal sense jam band out there like there are, they can get to like a heavy rock situation.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You know, because they were doing a tour with them and the almond brothers.
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And so Derek and Warren and Jimmy all played with both fans.
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And I mean, the time I saw widespread actually keys Nick came with us to go see widespread and you know keys not a jam band guy to see widespread in there here in Iowa.
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And the encore was Ace of spades.
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Nice.
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I just listened to a show where they did comfortably numb.
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Yeah.
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Because I was like, am I really about to hear Jimmy Haring play David.
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I got to hear that I wasn't great.
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Yeah.
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Well, he, it was awesome because he, he did his own thing with it.
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He didn't play the solo.
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He played the important parts, but he still like did exactly what I was hoping, which was like I want to hear what Jimmy Haring would play if he was in the driver's seat.
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Yeah.
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You know, he didn't do the first solo.
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They turned it into a piano solo instead.
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But you know, I got to hear him at the end and it was great.
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Yeah, I give Joe Joseph love.
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That's a tough thing to wrestle with as a David Gilmore fan too, because you want that solo to be like what you've always known it to be.
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But I also want to hear Jimmy Haring just do Jimmy Haring's thing.
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You know, so there's a weird thing about covers in there.
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I would say that like with David Gilmore, it's like I agree with you.
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You want that solo to be what you want it to be, but at the same time nobody's guitar sounds like David Gilmore.
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And you also kind of like don't want any other guitar sounds.
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Yeah.
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That's all right.
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Like to that sort of a weird clash of ideas.
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Yeah, it was great though.
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Like I've heard it the way we all know it so many times.
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You know, but talking about covers that also like made it pop into my head.
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Is that jazz's dead might be a good first immersion into Jimmy too, particularly blue light rain in my opinion.
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Yes, particularly.
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I listened to some of that.
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I could get with that.
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I like it.
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Yeah, the crazy fingers that opens that record is like is like, you know, and it's also it's not super in your face as far as Jimmy can get.
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It's a little more like like it's a little more of like a gentle immersion into what he's all about, which might be a good place to start.
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You know, I just flashed on another one.
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I should have put on your list, Nick.
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And that was really in what it was.
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And this ties in with because it was the probably the first time I heard Jimmy Haring was on the live with a little help from my friends government mule.
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Oh, interesting.
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Yeah.
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I'm not even familiar with that one.
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Oh, dude, it's so good.
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It's like, I think it was, yeah, it was.
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The 98.99 New Year's Eve.
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And it's government mule with Woody and Derek trucks, Chuck LeVell, Bernie Royale, Jimmy Haring, Mark Ford, all sitting on it.
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Pretty killer.
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Cool.
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It's that's that's a nice thing that Jimmy too is because he's a side man a lot of the time.
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So there's like way more out there than you even think there is.
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And like even now, like listening to him for 20 years, I just found out about like more Jimmy Haring that I didn't know existed because a lot of times it's not under his name.
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So you don't know.
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Right.
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You know, that's a tough thing with a side musician though, right?
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Is like, so it's like, you know, not to keep coming back to Frogwings, but it's like there's this other element that is is creating shaping my taste.
spk_0
Right.
spk_0
There's this other element that's shaping my perception of this music.
spk_0
It has nothing to do with Jimmy Haring.
spk_0
So that could be a great Jimmy Haring thing, but I just have an aversion to to John Popper.
spk_0
So it's like the de facto.
spk_0
I don't like it, right?
spk_0
And Aquarium Rescue Unit, there was I listened to that stuff.
spk_0
That stuff is cool.
spk_0
It's definitely a specific thing.
spk_0
That's outside of my taste.
spk_0
It doesn't for me.
spk_0
It doesn't move me, but I can listen to it and like Jimmy sounds amazing.
spk_0
But the songs.
spk_0
That stuff for me isn't doing it.
spk_0
But the can I talk about it?
spk_0
Can we talk about the things that did that I'm into?
spk_0
You can go there.
spk_0
Jason was the whole lot.
spk_0
Okay.
spk_0
What I was curious, which ARU did you listen to?
spk_0
The first record, the self title.
spk_0
The live one.
spk_0
Oh, okay.
spk_0
My favorite is mirrors of embarrassment for that.
spk_0
Okay.
spk_0
I don't know.
spk_0
I just feel like that's a yeah.
spk_0
Those are real like one A1B for me.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
But that can be a little tough because there's like some sort of like residual just barely on the fringes of 80s leftover production sometimes.
spk_0
Yes.
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That I'm in sometimes you like that.
spk_0
Oh, yeah.
spk_0
That's a nice jam.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Like Jimmy's tone is like like a little more scooped than I'm used to back then.
spk_0
Totally.
spk_0
You know, it's still awesome, but it's but sometimes it can it's you know, it's a very specific moment in time as far as Jimmy hearings.
spk_0
Have you had any like guitar hangs with Jimmy there Rob?
spk_0
Not guitar hangs.
spk_0
I've met him a couple of times, but but it's not like a play guitar with him.
spk_0
Just, you know, said hi as a fan kind of.
spk_0
Because I was it's interesting when you talk about that mid scoop thing because I did the rig the first rig run down with him.
spk_0
Years and years ago.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
The one where he was he was using the tele and stuff.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Yeah.
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Basically it was like this studio in North Carolina and I flew out there for the weekend.
spk_0
He was doing like this retreat.
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That basically served as like rehearsals for the band before right before like.
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And then from there they went out on tour like the last day of the retreat the tour bus was pulling up and there it looked up and had enough.
spk_0
And we recorded that about one in the morning.
spk_0
Wow.
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And I remember I got to play a little bit through his rig and it's that's the first thing I noticed is that this real like mid range punch.
spk_0
You know what I mean?
spk_0
Like like through it it was it was great.
spk_0
It was definitely like wow, we're going to take this Ferrari around the type thing.
spk_0
Did you feel comfortable with with his sound?
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
I've always I've always gotten that impression that it's as huge and as like amazing as it sounds that it's if anybody else used it they would maybe feel a little naked through it or something.
spk_0
I've had friends play through trays rig and said the same thing.
spk_0
Really?
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
It sounds I mean it sounds yeah it sounds I don't sound like tray when I play through it or I was like Jimmy when I play through it.
spk_0
But if given my druthers I as much as I love hearing tray or Jimmy play through their rig that's just not for me.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
So let's break this down a little bit into different areas of like as like you said he has a lot of side man stuff and just a real little bit of stuff that really represents him as a solo.
spk_0
With another one coming soon apparently with another one coming soon people thought it might have been some kind of like AR you thing.
spk_0
But I think it was just an excuse for those cats to get together there is definitely a Jimmy solo record.
spk_0
I'm very excited coming through with O'Teal on it too.
spk_0
Yeah that's right.
spk_0
I know.
spk_0
I when I saw that I text I text a Jimmy I was like come on buddy.
spk_0
What do he's like and he was so great getting those guys back together and playing.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
So he has really three as of now solo albums his lifeboat which is great has one of I would say a modern day jam band standard on it Rob and I've seen you play this track a few times scapegoat blues.
spk_0
I would feel like for jam band world it's like learning Donnelly or something it's like that's a great that's a great thing.
spk_0
Yeah that's a great person.
spk_0
Can I interject here.
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Only face.
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Good.
spk_0
That's my favorite song that I've heard and it over the course of my listening.
spk_0
It's a great tune.
spk_0
It's great.
spk_0
And as a guitar player it makes you want to let's say you're here you're like I want to learn how to play that.
spk_0
It reminds me a lot of of.
spk_0
I mean this in in the best way it reminds me a lot of like 80s Mike Stern.
spk_0
Oh yeah diminished.
spk_0
Oh yeah diminished blues.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
spk_0
I'm so I'm so into that tune and that's the thing that it really got me thinking about like I'm it.
spk_0
I've decidedly over the course of my research now I can firmly say I'm a Jimmy Herring fan.
spk_0
I really like his sound I like his playing I like his writing I just don't and this is the tough thing.
spk_0
Don't say a lot of what I'm trying to buy in there.
spk_0
Don't put a button.
spk_0
No, hear me out.
spk_0
I'm going to be some challenging artists that we're going to cover and have covered.
spk_0
They aren't in your wheelhouse that it's like you have to for me in a lot of the settings he's in.
spk_0
It's not that I think it's it's bad or something is just like it's not the music that I listen to where it's like I have to practice forcing the guitar playing from the from the songs and from the setting right.
spk_0
But like I can do that and hear that Jimmy's great but I can't like it's just it's not stuff I'm going to have repeat listen.
spk_0
The soul his solo albums I'm I'm there I think that those are those are solid.
spk_0
I'm incredible those are stuff I stand up where it's like I I genuinely I mean this is the first I'm hearing that there's a new Jimmy Herring solo record coming out.
spk_0
I will genuinely genuinely be excited to hear that album.
spk_0
Because that's what I like about his plane and I do think he is like a really singular artist.
spk_0
I've had this experience to a lot where I'll talk about Jimmy Herring with other guitar players even who aren't that familiar with him.
spk_0
And they'll just be like oh yeah the reason widespread panic right and I'm like yes.
spk_0
But like yeah but like he didn't write any of that you know I mean I didn't know that but like he didn't write any of that music.
spk_0
Well maybe he helped later on I'm sure but but you know like it's not very representative of his like creative self necessarily.
spk_0
And then like you got to check out lifeboat and subject to change without notice you know I like the first record too.
spk_0
Or is that the first record or lifeboat the first one.
spk_0
Oh sorry sorry I was looking at them in opposite order I liked endangered species too.
spk_0
Oh yeah that's kind of a tough one to find you almost have to like in Spotify it's in like also appears on way at the bottom.
spk_0
That's a hard one to find.
spk_0
So when we go to subject to change this was the record that I went the tour after this record is when I went some.
spk_0
And when you talk about Donnelly I think although I like scapegoat blues better I think the real Donnelly challenge is 12 keys off that record.
spk_0
Oh yeah because it's this bebop head that just literally goes to all 12 keys.
spk_0
Yeah I mean and they were it was it was great watching them work that out.
spk_0
Yeah I can't even hum that one right now you know it's it's a deep cut but but I I meant that scapegoat would be more like that because it's like kind of like a tune everybody should have in their back pocket where you might actually like play it if everybody there knows it you know.
spk_0
I mean it's as popular to solo tune and it's the one that people cover online the most.
spk_0
Yeah like you might get to some pick up gig and everybody's like oh I know that one too and then you can play you know what I mean it's a good one to just like have in your arsenal.
spk_0
I think I requested scapegoat at a dope apod gig and was turned down.
spk_0
Probably wasn't my fault that I got turned down I love playing.
spk_0
No you guys came to Iowa.
spk_0
I was like you're right you're literally in that in in that in that tiny green room and you're like oh yeah let's what I was like you guys want to play scapegoat tonight.
spk_0
You're like okay and somebody else is like and I get it it's like if you don't keep that up that can yeah.
spk_0
Oh yeah that's a stressful it can be stressful to play that tune you're like feels like a little like recital mode you're like you're like oh god am I going to remember all of it.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
So then next we have the aquarium rescue unit era.
spk_0
And both with Colonel Bruce and without so there's two albums with Colonel Bruce and two and an EP without Colonel Bruce.
spk_0
For me Mirrors of embarrassment is kind of the way to go I think I'm with you on that you know shoelace Joe.
spk_0
Trondasca my ego's no he goes underwater I really liked hearing guitar and mandolin those lines they play together.
spk_0
Oh yeah that Monday so great.
spk_0
I like that well I mean any of those early ones are like this but you could listen to that album and just focus on a different member of the band each time and you'd be equally blown away.
spk_0
Like I can do a whole past that record only listening to like Matt Mundy or Oatheel and I would be just as interested if I was if I was in guitar head mode you know only a downside for Nick is that jump pop or plays harmonica on one of the tracks he does it's true but I feel like the writing on that is really amazing like it's really like from the heart like like Colonel Bruce is absurd as he is is like still a poet like there's some like amazing lyrical stuff on there too and yeah.
spk_0
I'll say one thing about aquarium rescue unit that I probably haven't gotten over no I definitely haven't got no is that the way that it was pitched to me was it was described to me before I heard the band.
spk_0
And I heard you know what I heard described about Colonel Bruce I put together as being like B.Fart and I'm a big captain B.Fart fan and it does not sound like captain B.Fart and so it's like the mentality was similar.
spk_0
I think that I can see that yeah I can see how but it's like I put together like the description of their music and you know when you when you decide and this is not this is you know my own fault but I think there's just something about listening that is natural we all do it it's like you decide what something sounds like when somebody describes it I mean this is like as a as a music journalist this is that you can't just I always try and remember that you can actually describe music to somebody who's never heard it.
spk_0
And get it right. Yeah. Even the best music journalists do not do this and the best people describing the best musicians are not able to describe exactly what you're so it's like it's this few tile thing but it was explained to me what this band sounded like and I had in here and it sounded so much like B.Fart and I was like this is this other thing and then I heard it and it's like it's there they're their own trip though they're on thing but there's that that disappointment sort of never goes away from me when I said it's not the best way to describe it.
spk_0
And I wanted to hear the thing that I imagined right. Yeah. Yeah. Did you see Rob or I'm sure Nick did you see a crime rescuing it on their reunion tour. Yeah, I saw them at Brooklyn Bowl.
spk_0
That was the first time I got to meet Jimmy too so that was really cool and I actually I ended up I ended up like watching the whole show with Alex Skolnik from Testament.
spk_0
He was just really nice and I was standing next to him and he was like come out back afterwards. I know Jimmy I'll introduce you to him and he did and I got to talk to him.
spk_0
Right. I was really cool. Right before that gig is when I wrote a feature where Alex interviewed Jimmy because we were talking about that gig because they they had reconnected for a while.
spk_0
Here's and this is in the I believe this is in the in the story but one how they first connected was so Jimmy was in a Kramer Ski unit when they were when Jimmy was in a Kramer Ski unit the first time and they're really touring.
spk_0
That's when Alex first kind of got wind of him right. Okay. Then a Kramer Ski unit breaks up whatever 93 or whatever 94.
spk_0
And Jimmy was looking for work. So he reached out to Alex to see if he could be his guitar tech. I heard that. Yes. Right. And Alex is like no like no, no, that's not you know and so they had kind of known each other then and Jim is a fan of Alex and vice versa.
spk_0
And then when I had this idea because I knew Alex obviously you know had jazz interest and pre jazz leaning and you know maybe jam band curious in some ways.
spk_0
And I was like, oh, wouldn't that be great if if he interviewed Jimmy and they did like a two and a half hour interview.
spk_0
I got to find that interview. Well, I mean, maybe I have read it. Maybe that's why I know about the guitar tech story.
spk_0
Oh, yeah, that's the only place I've ever heard it. Maybe I have seen it. But that that tidbit was always really inspiring to me as like a guy with kids who plays guitar and whose band has broken up several times.
spk_0
Yeah, you know, like like even Jimmy hearing is like, I need work. Like maybe I could be a guitar tech. And he's just like, he's just a player. Like he's never not going to hold a guitar.
spk_0
He'll do anything to just keep a guitar in his hands. Yeah. And then I didn't have to I think he got the jazz's dead call next and just.
spk_0
Yeah, yeah. It was I think it was a fairly short moment there. Yeah. I just isn't a nice covering thing to be like even like your hero has had this moment of like on surety.
spk_0
You know, they're just like us. Yeah. Just like us. And I think that's that's really cool.
spk_0
Yeah. Um, this this this also has lived has has gained some lore through our episodes Nick. Uh, we've mentioned in several different episodes.
spk_0
But the Zach Wilde almond brothers thing. Yeah. One of the calls they made before they landed on Zach was Jimmy. Yeah.
spk_0
And he couldn't could make it or couldn't do it or whatever. You know, well, there's a really famous story about like Jimmy doing it.
spk_0
An almond brothers gig. And they all just like O teal was there too. And they just went off. They did like a half hour mountain jam and like Greg flipped out on everybody on the bus afterwards.
spk_0
We just talked about that with Alan Paul. Like, yeah, like he he like made a reference to fish in the slams the door to the bus or something.
spk_0
That's an Alan's book. That's where I first heard it. That's okay. I've read that book. It's great. Yeah. And he also Jimmy also got offered was recommended by um,
spk_0
John McLaughlin for return to forever. Wow. Oh, wait. Was that is Lenny white return to forever? Was he the German? I the first time I ever saw Jimmy live. He was playing with Lenny white.
spk_0
Yeah. And he had to have too much work with panic. He just can do it. You know, I don't know. Yeah. But it was it. It was in like a hotel bar. There wasn't even a stage. They were set up on the floor. What?
spk_0
Yeah. You saw Jimmy Hurrin and Lenny white in a hotel bar on the floor. Yeah. It was in it was like around the Harvard area of Boston. And yeah. It was just like a
spk_0
hotel bar. Who was playing with the tables? Uh, um, the only person whose name I remember is and I might even get it wrong. Tom Gorena.
spk_0
Yeah. The other guitar player. He was amazing. He was great. Was Oteel on bass. No, I can't remember the bass player's name. I, yeah. Cause I know Tom and Oteel are close. Oh, okay. Yeah. No, it wasn't Oteel. He's the only other guy I remember being in the band.
spk_0
Yeah. I think there was also a bass player and a keys player. All right. So the next thing you do touched on was the endangered species record, which was this one off record with T. Lavitz from the Dixie Dregs. But it goes to say that Jimmy Hearing might be the biggest Steve Morse fan in the world. Yeah. Maybe outside of John Procuretchi.
spk_0
Um, was rich. It was basically it's the rhythm section from rhythm section from Little Feet the keyboard player from Dixie Dregs and Jimmy. And I feel like tone center around this time in early few towns, which is putting together a lot of these one off records are like what'll happen if we put these four people.
spk_0
It's like the weirdest cover or whatever. Yeah, with the weirdest cover or whatever. I don't think these bands even really didn't get. Yeah. Um, there, you know, there is a.
spk_0
If you look at if you just sit and watch some of the jazz's dead footage on YouTube long enough, they play some endangered species tunes in there.
spk_0
But yeah, it's not even really a band. It's just. I don't love to ask Jimmy about that record because there's a fair amount a couple anyways, as I'm looking here, three tunes that were Jimmy tunes that he wrote really which ones headstrong.
spk_0
That's the first one. Yeah, that one's kind of like like a prototype for scapegoat blues to me a little bit. Still the diminished thing.
spk_0
And then Lockwood Folly. Wow. Yeah. T. Lavitz wrote the rest of them.
spk_0
But that might be like maybe his first for a for a into because that was 2001.
spk_0
You know, it's seven years before his first solo record. That's maybe his first for a into writing his own.
spk_0
It could be. Yeah. And there's such good tunes. You know. And then he got.
spk_0
But Nick's favorite croaking at toads.
spk_0
I mean, how can you not spend 16 minutes with a tune called Eddie's got a boyfriend?
spk_0
Do you ever notice that they did the Pledge of Allegiance?
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And Miranda.
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I don't know.
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I'm a blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
spk_0
That's great. And I think one of the most under recorded guitar modern guitar duos.
spk_0
Even though there's a fair amount on there is Derek and Jimmy. Yeah.
spk_0
I mean, I would love to hear what a band with those two guys.
spk_0
You know, like a five piece band with those two guys just ripping.
spk_0
Rip and heads all night would be would be great.
spk_0
Do you want to I just heard a story that kind of gave me goosebumps when I heard it?
spk_0
Was that your friends with Tim Paul Mary too, right?
spk_0
I know who he is. I know.
spk_0
Oh, he's one of my favorite guitar players too.
spk_0
And just incredible.
spk_0
But he told me, oh no, his drummer Adrian, who I'm in another group, told me that the first time Tim
spk_0
ever even heard who Jimmy Herring was was he was at the croaking at toads show at Toads Place.
spk_0
And just to imagine like a 17 year old Tim being like, who is this guy?
spk_0
And just you know, yeah, that's a bit.
spk_0
He didn't even know Jimmy Herring was he had to like ask people, you know, I was that that's cool.
spk_0
All right. But yeah, I wish there was more recordings of those two together if there should be.
spk_0
All right. Couple more errors here. We need to touch on what are your thoughts Rob on the project Z stuff?
spk_0
Well, that's more Derek and Jimmy, which is good. A lot of that has both of them on it.
spk_0
I haven't listened to as much of it as the other records. There's two of them, right?
spk_0
Yeah, yeah.
spk_0
Yeah, they came out 0 1 and 0 5. And to me, it's a bit more like freeform.
spk_0
Some of it's so out. Yeah.
spk_0
Some of it's very out, which I thought Nick would be very into.
spk_0
Was that sarcasm?
spk_0
No, it's not. I really thought it was. Oh, good. Nick likes the weird stuff.
spk_0
So, well, yeah, but I like like mud, but I listened to the projects Z stuff.
spk_0
Yeah, I like like mud bug and Augusta's ankle and stuff.
spk_0
You know, there's some tunes I love in there.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
It's it's it's to me personally to I feel like it's harder to connect with that just because of how it is it's really noted.
spk_0
It's really fusion. Yeah. But it is a really good display of guitar pyrotechnics.
spk_0
Yeah. Well, some records I kind of even if I don't listen to them all the time, I love hearing records where I feel like it was just the musicians doing whatever they wanted to do and not even worrying if anybody would like it or not.
spk_0
That's and I kind of feel like those records are that.
spk_0
Yeah. I think that's exactly what that is.
spk_0
Yeah. I appreciate it for that. And it's not even that I don't like it.
spk_0
It's that I almost just kind of like forget it's there sometimes, which is sort of nice about it because then when I'm like,
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is there anything I haven't fully checked out of his yet?
spk_0
Like I haven't listened to those all the way through yet.
spk_0
So there's always more undiscovered territory.
spk_0
spk_0
So then we get to and I'm going to lump these in together the jazz is dead stuff, which was right around the turn of the century, 98, 99,01 is when he did those three records.
spk_0
And then also the time he spent with Phil Lash and the quartet, or the quintet, I should say.
spk_0
To me, him and Warren were such a great match for that music.
spk_0
That's easily my favorite Phil Lash lineup.
spk_0
I've heard many people say that it's their favorite.
spk_0
Yeah. It's and hearing him hearing Jimmy on those dead tunes like that really opened up another door that material for me hearing him.
spk_0
Yeah. I'm not like a I only just recently started checking out like YouTube videos and you know just bootlegs of his time with Phil because I'm not really a grateful dead guy.
spk_0
But I wanted to hear more Jimmy hearing, you know, and I love on a lot of those he's using just like a plain old strat with single coils.
spk_0
I don't even know if he has any pet it's like the cleanest sound.
spk_0
He's not a big petal guy. I mean, he doesn't have you know, it's different in it though. It's really clear and like yes, maybe has like a little fur on it, but it's so beautiful though.
spk_0
It is.
spk_0
I also like a lot of my first times hearing some grateful dead songs were the jazz is dead versions like crazy fingers and help on the way I heard the jazz is dead version before I ever heard the me too.
spk_0
The real one. So it's now when I hear the grateful dead play crazy fingers. I'm like kind of like where's the soaring.
spk_0
You know, I don't need to hear the lyrics, you know, I just want to hear.
spk_0
Yeah, anyways, I mean the beat for all a medley on that first record really.
spk_0
And they even played red baron on there, which is. Yeah, just for for the hell of it.
spk_0
Yeah, but yeah, the what's the down, I don't know.
spk_0
But I don't know, but I don't know, but I don't know. But I don't know. But I don't know. But I do.
spk_0
Like they throw some random jazz head into the blues for all of medley.
spk_0
It's so we play I got played that once I talked some people into doing that on like a Tuesday night gig. We did the whole medley.
spk_0
That was fun.
spk_0
Nick, did you check out any of the fill less Jimmy Herring stuff?
spk_0
That was the first place I ever heard Jimmy Herring play was on the studio record.
spk_0
I didn't check out any of the live stuff in in this listening burst.
spk_0
Yeah, definitely recommend finding some live stuff. I remember they did release some soundboard recordings of that lineup.
spk_0
But I remember I downloaded somebody. I remember trying to find them recently. They're definitely not on streaming.
spk_0
That's one of the tricky things is like.
spk_0
With him being a side man, sometimes you think he's on it and then you listen for a few minutes and you're like, I don't think he's there, but I'm not sure.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Like, oh, it's and then you look on Wikipedia and you're like, never mind. It was like Larry Campbell, which is still great.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
And then in 06, he joined widespread panic.
spk_0
First gig was at Radio City musical.
spk_0
And he's based and he's been with them ever since they've made four studio records.
spk_0
Free somehow dirty dirty side down.
spk_0
The very first thing ever over premier guitar was a feature on Jimmy Herring about that record dirty side down.
spk_0
The first track North has some great playing by him. That's one of my favorite songs.
spk_0
See, this is undiscovered territory for me. I haven't checked out any of the panic albums with him on it.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
I think North. It's north is Jerry Joseph song. I think that's great.
spk_0
Shut up and drive has some cool stuff. He's playing on it.
spk_0
But with a band like panic to me, it's like the like most jam bands just dig up the lives.
spk_0
And lately widespread has been putting out a ton of.
spk_0
Of pro shot stuff on their YouTube channel.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
You know, so I would recommend starting there and finding some thumbnail that prominently features Jimmy.
spk_0
You go from there usually has it.
spk_0
I feel like if it's a video of them at Red Rocks, it's usually like a good one too.
spk_0
Like they always that seems like they're home away from home.
spk_0
So I usually if I see them alive at Red Rocks, it's probably a video worth watching.
spk_0
Nick panic discuss.
spk_0
It's not for me.
spk_0
It's not for you.
spk_0
It's not bad. I don't.
spk_0
Like it as a as a non jam band person coming to it.
spk_0
It's not a it's not it's not frog wings, you know, like it's like it it doesn't have the.
spk_0
There's not a hard thing to.
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Gate to entry like I.
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It's cool. Like this. They're songs are cool.
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Jimmy sounds great. Like I'm down. It's just it's not.
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I think I probably had to hear it.
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Yeah, like how do I say this?
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It's like listening to it now amongst a bunch of other stuff.
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It's it's hard to really have a deep connection with anything.
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And I feel like that's music that people really love and connect with.
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And like.
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I'd probably have to hear it in a different setting to really.
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I didn't I didn't connect with it listening to it, but I hear that it's like cool songs and those guys like deliver the songs really well.
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It's well made well made well performed rock music.
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Is that I'm being very diplomatic.
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Yeah, but it's not it's not like they got seen.
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I mean, I don't want to throw people under the bus, but they're jam bands popular jam bands that I have seen that I'm just like, nope.
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This isn't for me.
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I don't like this approach. I don't like these sounds.
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And it goes to any genre that is not necessarily my thing.
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But that doesn't have those markers like they have this sort of classic rock thing like they rock right like.
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Oh, yes, I heard somebody call panic like classic rock jam band.
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They're like a classic. Yeah, yeah.
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And I like that about I'm like, oh, I could get with this.
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If this were my world, I could see how I would get in here.
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I mean, if you if you think of it strictly in terms of tone and feel.
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They're the most classic rock.
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They're they're you know, whereas string cheese would be like bluegrass with drums basically.
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Yeah, you know, widespread.
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I would still implore you to go see a panic show and be like, wow, they rocked harder than I was expecting.
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That was my I was like, I would see a panic show.
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I mean, Jimmy, I would check that out. I probably love it.
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Jimmy's a particularly loud guitar player.
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Yeah, yeah. Okay.
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I am I would have pinned him for like tastefully perfectly placed volume.
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I actually, I when dope out of zone two or once we went out to on a day off, we went and saw Jimmy at like just a bar.
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He was playing with I think invisible whip.
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And I got to watch from the side stage with his guitar tech who is just telling me about stuff.
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And he was like Jimmy plays as loud as he wants literally like whatever 10 sure.
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And then we mixed the rest of the band with him as like the floor that everybody else is mixed on.
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Whereas like and most other bands like the drums are the floor and then you mix based on that.
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It's all he plays as loud as he feels like which I think is 10 most of the time.
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It's like and yeah.
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And it's funny like he has good loud though.
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Interesting approach to gear because when I did the rig rundown, he had you know some kind of martial like head with the 412 cabinet.
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And then he had a whole fractal acts effects.
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This was probably acts effects to back then that he only used for reaper.
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Which is a steep morse thing, isn't it?
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Isn't that kind of a doing the wet dry thing?
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Yeah, but what I'm saying is he's using this huge multi effects unit for one just reaper.
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And then his panic floorboard is just a series of six volume pedals six Ernie ball volume pedals.
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You know because he mixes his own I mean that's his pedal set up for his monitors right.
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And then I think he might have like one overdrive in a rotosphere.
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Yeah, I mean I think that's basically that's weird.
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It's a big volume pedal guy too.
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Like we ever watched his foot is never not on the pedal and it's rarely all the way up.
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You mean volume wise.
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I mean so like yeah it's rarely like dimes.
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Yeah, you know.
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But that would be fun.
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I feel like I just want to watch a cam.
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A camera just on his pedal board feet during a show.
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Like just to see where he's how he's thinking about when to bring this person up or this person down.
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Yeah, you know, I wonder if it's the kind of thing where after the first couple tunes like he finds the sweet spot and leaves it alone.
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Or I wonder if it's a constant like what he needs at any given point in time thing.
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I can tell you it's the latter.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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Because I wouldn't I couldn't even fathom focusing on that.
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The reason is he's like I really just I mean you've met him a couple times.
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I mean first of all the nicest guy.
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Absolutely.
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He's like I just you know I just don't want to bother the monitor guy if I need to make.
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He would say that and I'm like exactly right.
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And it's like so he would rather have this whole fairly complicated setup.
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Yeah.
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So that way he doesn't need to bother the person whose entire job it is to do that.
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Yeah.
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You know what I mean.
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So he must have enough needs where he knows he would be asking for a lot of things that I think so.
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You know I think you know on some tunes maybe I don't know less keyboard less this or whatever.
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And and probably even to room to room you know because he's not on ears is just on wedges.
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But when I saw him in Iowa I was literally in the front row head level with his amp and it damn near to my head off.
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It's loud.
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Wow.
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I mean and he started the show with like a like a clear baffle in front of the amp in front of his 412.
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He plays through one song and he looks over at Joel and he just shakes his head and Joe comes out and and pulls the baffle on.
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I'm like oh here we go.
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And then he brought into the love tractor or something like whoa.
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But man as loud as it is like it's never like spiky.
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It's not spiky.
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It's clear and it's very.
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Very punchy like there's even though he uses obviously uses reverb and stuff it's it's you hear this pure clear tone.
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You know did he ever like earlier on was did he use like more kind of a normal approach or is it always been kind of strange like did he ever use two screeners or something.
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I mean I'd feel like he was just always kind of a pedal and throw give me a pedal in an amp and maybe I get two sounds per night other than what I can do with my volume control.
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Yeah that's not my certainly doesn't need a lot to sound.
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Have you ever seen his college video on his his college performance on YouTube?
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Oh yeah we're just playing the red telly.
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Yeah it's like 85 he's at GIT and he's very very Steve Morse at that point very much so very much like got the you know.
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Oh pick up configuration the same and this could have been in that story as well or maybe is in another time I interviewed him but he he would like follow around the drags in North Carolina like people fall around fish right.
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And he got to know like the roadie guys and they would they would like he would help load out gear.
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Wow you know on a drag show and I think I want to say like it was like an after party or something and he was there and he's maybe probably a teenager or something probably maybe shouldn't have been an after party like this or whatever.
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And Steve this guy plays all your stuff and this was like yes we handed him a guitar and he played like a drag student in front of Steve Morse when he was like a teenager.
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Wow you know and then they invited him to sit in so then the next time they were in town they invited a very young Jimmy Haring to sit in with the drags next.
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I can't imagine there's a recording of that anywhere.
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You're probably talking I don't know 83.
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Yeah like if you wanted to recording somebody had to show up with some bus or something that had a tank here.
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Wow so what are we missing guys do you think we hit it all?
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Well one thing I was just oh you know one that you mentioned Derek and Jimmy is the out of the madness.
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Yes yeah that's pretty much that's really that's probably the closest to maybe what a Jimmy Derek album sound like.
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If you had Nick if you haven't checked that one out.
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Put it on the list put it on the list Nick.
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You still got homework.
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Who's that's a Derek album?
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It's a Derek's band album yeah call it out of madness.
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It's very blues blues fusion.
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There's a lot of straight head blues on there.
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I'll go with that.
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There's some really like kind of complicated sort of really worked out things too though.
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I have a favorite my favorite album is yet to be mentioned.
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Let's go let's wrap it up with this.
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My favorite song has but my favorite album is not it's the stuff of McLaughlin.
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Oh I don't I don't have any been listened to that because I'm not really a huge John McLaughlin guy.
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You might not like that.
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This is where Nick hangs up on you around.
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That's why that's why I want the record for you.
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What is it hey John McLaughlin that's just you know.
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Hey this is we're open to all opinions here.
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Is that what's the cover look like for that one I feel like it's like a Delicie.
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Yeah it's a real like 60s referential psychedelic.
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Is John McLaughlin on the record or is it like a tribute to him.
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Wow okay it's a line record from the tour they did together.
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When when Jimmy open for him.
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Oh okay well proceed tell me about it's like sort of a bird.
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I'm looking at it now.
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It's like sort of it's I guess it's supposed to be a bird.
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There's like a triangle and eyeball.
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Killer group it's you know McLaughlin Jimmy Herring Gary Husband and Matt Slokum.
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A bunch of people so I guess it's both of their bands right is that the deal Jason.
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Yeah I think there's some songs because there's two drums two bass violin two keys to guitars.
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So yeah so like Gary Husband's McLaughlin's keyboard is I'm assuming that Matt Slokum is is is is see Jimmy's yeah he's Jimmy's guy so okay.
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Double band huge sound like they're all playing together at the same time.
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Oh man.
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It's like a double band.
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From the get go it's just a massive sounding record and then it's like I'm a huge McLaughlin fan.
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And hearing the two of those guys going back and forth with each other is amazing.
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And that's where it's like man Jimmy Herring McLaughlin together and it's like a gazillion notes but not tasteless.
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You know like yeah just I mean those tunes are so great it's like they open with with meeting of the spirits and you know hearing them just like really they just keeps peaking they keep taking it higher and higher and higher.
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I I really really I've heard this record before but I hadn't listened to it you know is like listening reevaluating and thinking about you me Herring is oh my god.
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I love this because you picked one that I'm not even familiar with so I get to check out something you get to check it out.
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Yeah and it's the invisible whip group that you saw oh cool.
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So they would do like Jimmy's band would do a set then John's band would do a set.
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The third set was all of them together and they would play just all John McLaughlin too.
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Was that the band when he had two keyboard players he had like Jason Crosby and Matt Slokum maybe.
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Yep and Jason played violin and stuff and Kevin's got a base.
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Oh yeah.
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That's great and I would tell you speaking of live records.
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I have reason to believe there's a live record in the can of that Quarim Rescue Unit reunion tour.
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Oh really?
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I have reason to believe that.
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I would love to hear that.
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I listened to just I feel like this is an exclusively jam band person thing but I listened to I go on archive and listen to the Brooklyn Bull show.
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I went to like pretty regularly too.
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You got to have you know you got to not be an audio file to tolerate it which thankfully I'm not like I don't care like I was there you know I can like use my imagination a little bit.
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But I love listening back to that and there's some weird tunes that I've never heard before or since that are on there you know.
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Maybe they'll end up on this next Jimmy record.
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I would love that would be so cool.
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Alright rock the look forward to thank you so much buddy for hanging out and embarrassing Nick by just talking jam bands with me for an hour.
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Thank you for asking me.
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I mean this is what we do when we catch up anyways so I was all for it man you know.
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Alright thanks again Rob.
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Thanks for welcome thank you.
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Alright thanks to Rob for joining us and talking about Jimmy Herring.
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What do you think Jason?
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What do I think the same thing I thought an hour ago you think you're one of the greatest ever ever.
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I really I've really enjoyed checking this out it's something I knew I needed to do for a long time and thank you for the opportunity.
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And I want to give a shout out we should have dug this up we had a reader right in a while back.
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If you guys don't do a Jimmy Herring episode it's blast for me or whatever.
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