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Ep56: October 1980 1980 (pt.4)
In this episode of Deep Dives and Deep Cuts, hosts Rob and Joseph continue their exploration of October 1980's punk scene, focusing on the Plasmatics' debut album, 'New Hope for the Wre...
Ep56: October 1980 1980 (pt.4)
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All wrong.
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Your ease... again.
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One die free bomb!
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I believe that the music I heard is a killer.
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Are you really a punk?
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Gabby Harry!
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That's right!
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You sing with that rock-root.
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And people, ways for a Muffie's party.
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HANDO!
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It's 10 p.m.
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Do you know what your children are?
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We bring you an act.
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Who at first may shock you.
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We all witness things that the needs of music.
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Let's go!
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Hey everybody, I'm Rob.
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And I'm Joseph.
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And welcome to part four of the October 1980 edition of Deep Dives and Deep Cuts,
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the history of punk, post-punk and new wave, 1976 to 1986.
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The light at the end of the tunnel, Rob.
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I can see it!
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I don't know, Joseph.
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It's still a ways away.
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October may be over.
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We've got November and December to go through to.
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Yeah, yeah, that's true.
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So, cool surprises coming up.
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I'm pretty, pretty excited about it before we get to it, of course.
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As always, get a remind everybody that we are talking about music, music as art.
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And there is nothing more subjective than art.
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This is an opinion show.
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Even so, we do try to be mindful not to get to opinionated.
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Because ultimately, we are here to celebrate this extraordinary music that was created
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during a pretty unique period of time.
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So, Rob, we've got a ton of great albums yet to go.
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We're about to start talking about the Plasmatics debut album.
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The Plasmatics finally get an album out.
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Exactly.
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But first, we have to talk about...
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Nice house.
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And how ice house is not...
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Icicle works.
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They're two completely different bands.
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Well, I mean, that I'm pretty sure of.
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You know, so this is...
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I think that this episode might be our 125th episode.
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We've been doing this for five years.
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We misspeak all the time.
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And usually, it's sort of our brain is thinking...
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When I say, I mean, my brain is thinking one thing and my tongue says another.
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We quite often will refer to an LP as an EP or whatever.
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I went through this phase where I kept calling Richard Hell, David Hell.
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Oh, yeah.
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So, I don't know that there are many or really any instances where we have said something that was intentional that was actually incorrect.
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You know, there's been a couple of times, but I think we've caught it at the time or I caught it in the mix.
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But this one got right past us.
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So we, in the last episode, we talked about the Ice House debut album back when they were flowers.
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I got Ice House and Icicle works mixed up.
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And so we were referring to their biggest hit being from a whisper to a scream,
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which the official title is Birds Fly from a whisper to a scream.
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Now, Ice House and Icicle works two bands that I've never had albums for.
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Is that true with you, Rob?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So just a little bit that we've heard about on the radio.
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And we just got it completely wrong.
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We got quite a few emails from our listeners as should be, you know, when we, when we goof up like that,
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we appreciate those of you who reach out to us in a friendly fashion, a kudos to Paul.
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He was the first person like within a couple of hours of dropping the episode.
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The email I got was from Paul.
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He's a long time.
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You know, I don't know podcast friend podcast correspondent.
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I don't, I don't know what we've had an ongoing conversation with him about this kind of music that we love for several years.
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He touches base for time to time.
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As soon as I read his start reading email, I was like, am I heart sank?
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And I went, oh my gosh, that's exactly right.
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We totally got that wrong.
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I appreciate how graceful he was about the correction.
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He wasn't snotty at all.
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We got a couple of snotty responses and, you know, dudes were,
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we're all just here.
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Bunch of friends talking about the music we love.
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Let's just, let's keep that vibe here to have fun.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So, so anyways,
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I want to talk about ice house.
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A lot more share some of the thoughts that we got from our listeners about ice house and their love for ice house.
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Unfortunately, we just don't have the time here.
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So, we're shelving that.
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But definitely the next mail bag episode we will give ice house the attention it deserves.
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Right on.
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Now, let's, let's listen to some music.
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Let's talk music.
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Yeah.
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Well, let's move on to a kind of iconic New York punk band that, finally, in November 1980 releases an album, a full length album.
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This, of course, is the plasmatic with, um, Wendy O Williams.
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Yeah.
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Iconic, glorious Wendy O Williams.
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Who we have been talking about since season one of this podcast by the way.
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We have?
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I haven't.
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Yeah. She's coming, she's come, come into conversation when we talked about the Ramones.
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Oh, yeah.
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And all kinds of other stuff.
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Right.
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But we've never actually talked about her music.
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Not at all.
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No, not her music at all.
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Visually image wise as iconic as you get when it comes to New York punk.
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So this debut album entitled New Hope for the Wretched comes out in November of 1980.
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They were one of those CBGB bands.
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They were huge for a punk band on the East Coast for several years before they actually got, got around to releasing a, uh, like a legit album.
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Probably one of the, if not the most successful New York punk bands when it came to, uh, just popularity and selling out gigs and they were, they were playing some pretty damn big venues before they even released an album just because they were so electric.
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I also think that they were such a big part of the CBGB vibe, uh, even way before they released in the album.
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Yeah.
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People knew them.
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I mean, they were, they were a household name practically.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And it's certainly on the East Coast.
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Yeah.
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Pretty iconic band for sure.
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Let's kick things off with my pick a song called Monkey Suit.
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Yeah.
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I was certainly familiar with the Plasmatics had never heard a full album of theirs, you know, just songs on, on compilations and all of that way more familiar with
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just Wendy O'Williams in her, her whole image and her whole presence than the actual music.
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This is a pretty good but not great punk album in my estimation.
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It could be, it's just coming a little bit late.
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I like it.
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I like it.
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What about you?
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Oh no, no, I really, let me tell you, it's nice to be back into a punk album.
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Uh huh.
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You know, um, and I was going to say that I think you know how much I like Wendy O'Williams, so you probably don't.
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I think that she's pretty fantastic.
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Wendy had such a presence to her.
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She's a former porn actress.
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She's, you know, she still carries that like sexuality and that sensuality to, to the stage when she's singing to the point where she does the album.
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She doesn't give a damn.
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I mean, she's, she's crass and she's, uh, I don't know that she's bold and amazing.
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I just, I don't know how to say it other than she is just really out there and I think it's fantastic.
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So I am, I love this album.
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I find it a lot of fun.
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I agree with everything that you, you just said.
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Um, my thing is I, I don't think these songs themselves are that spectacular.
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Yeah.
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Songwriting wise.
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Song, songwriting wise.
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You're, you're right about that.
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It's, I think it's the energy that cup that I think carries the album.
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Well, except for all things being equal, I usually prefer studio versions of songs to live, live versions of songs.
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However, energy wise, I think the most compelling stuff, not songwriting wise, but energy wise, the most compelling cuts off of this album are the live cuts.
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Yeah.
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And I think part of that has to do with the fact that this album was produced by Jimmy Miller, who was a long time producer of the Rolling Stones.
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Uh-huh.
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That's not the guy you want.
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Yeah.
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Producing your album when you're a punk band and it's all about the intensity and the energy.
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I think, I think one of the other, one of the other names that he produced was Steve Linwood.
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Yeah.
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So let's say no more.
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Are you, are you cool with us featuring the live version of the song just to kind of illustrate the energy?
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Absolutely.
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Well, the energy that the studio album doesn't quite capture.
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Absolutely.
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And I think, so sometimes I, it's a song I picked.
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And I think that you hit the nail on the head because I think the live version best represents Wendy O.
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Wendy O. Williams vocals, uh, her energy.
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It's, I, I think that putting her out there in the wild and letting her just do her thing is where you're going to get the best Wendy O.
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You know, so I think the live version is perfect for what we're trying to get across.
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So when she's singing lyrics like sometimes I feel like you don't really care.
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Sometimes I feel like you're not really there.
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That, those are the moments that feel the most authentic to me for her.
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And kind of draw me in the most as opposed to her talking about mafia hits and stuff, which is, yeah.
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It's not bad, but, but just doesn't hook me as much.
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It's interesting because this is, this is personal, right?
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Yeah.
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It feels very, very personal.
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It, it feels close to her.
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So I think you're absolutely right about that.
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I think it's hilarious that on this album, Wendy O. Williams, other than being credited with vocals,
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she's also credited with playing the saxophone, the chainsaw and the machine gun.
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Hey, she is a woman of multi talents and, you know, what's in it?
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It's kind of what's blue to you might not be blue to me.
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What, what is a musical instrument to you might not be a musical instrument to me?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So that is the debut album from the iconic punk band, the Plasmatics, an album called New Hope for the Wretched.
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It's iconic.
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I would be very surprised if it didn't pop up on a list or two.
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I don't, I don't think the songs are really there.
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I think that the strongest part of the Plasmatics is Wendy O. Williams, being Wendy O. Williams,
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and the whole attitude and the image, it's a glorious, iconic punk thing.
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It's hard to say this, but it's probably not going to make my list, just given all the stuff that we're faced with.
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But it's on my regular rotation of music I'm listening to, so I really dig it.
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Good album.
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Let's get into something that, I guess something that is very new to me.
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This is the, this is Grin and Barrett.
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It's the second album from the Rage Slash punk band.
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It's also the second of three albums that they released on Virgin Records.
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Grin and Barrett is basically a collection of singles and B-sides.
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Now the ruts were actually very good at what they did, I think.
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I think that this is a, and this caught me by surprise, because I know we've talked about them before,
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but I don't really recall liking them as much as I did listening to this album.
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And I feel like they were very creative and very visionary in what they were doing.
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And if not for, again, we're going to get into this great tragedy, they might have,
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they might have become as big as the clash.
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That's something that people have been saying, is that they could have gone on to do so much more.
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You know, so they, they were, at the time, bigger than Joy Division.
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They were more popular than Joy Division.
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But their lead singer, Malcolm Olin, had a heroin addiction, and it was wrecking his ability to, you know, to go on as a part of the band.
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So they fired him. And he went off and tried to get clean, and he kind of, you know, put his tail between his legs and came back and said,
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hey, would you take me back? And they did, sadly, not long after they did.
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He overdosed and drowned in his bathtub in July of 1980.
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Now the ruts album, Grin and Barrett, was released in October of 1980.
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So what they did together was huge, and it made a huge impact. And, you know, it got big.
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And he was, you know, it's, he was already gone by the time the album came out.
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So the singles were doing so well that Verge and records started collecting those songs, and they actually put the album together after Owen died.
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So it peaked at number 28 on the UK album chart. And I think it feels like a mishmash of songs.
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It feels like a compilation album, if that makes a whole lot of sense.
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At the same time, I am deeply affected by the story that goes into the making of music.
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And it affects how I look at it. And if I had no idea, maybe I wouldn't like that music as much.
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But in this case, I find it to be kind of a sad tribute to, and by sad, I mean a tearful tribute to Malcolm Owen.
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So the secret, the secret soldiers is the song I picked.
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But the news, the dreams that been black, of the killer plans behind our back, to secretly get it right.
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We spread the time as bright as the moon, where the cover was full.
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And it's in free for all, like a far abroad.
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I found the fancy anocity.
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How long was that?
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This song and demolition dancing were both taken from the John Peel sessions recorded in February of 1980.
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And I have to say that I love on this song more than any other, but all the songs have great guitar by Paul Fox.
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I think that what he does with the guitar on this tune on this track is pretty freaking amazing.
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So how do you feel about this album, Joseph?
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I like it. I was puzzled by it. I was actually not aware of any of what you just said.
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So this album actually makes a lot more sense to me as I'm processing this information.
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I guess technically we shouldn't have been included on this because it's a compilation on an original studio album.
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The Ruts, of course, we talked about their first album, The Crack.
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But the Ruts were one of those first wave English punk bands that had an early hit with the song In a Rat.
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And this I was first aware of them because that song showed up on my beloved copy of Burning Ambitions, The History of Punk.
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Oh, yeah.
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And I was a little bit bummed because we never actually got to talk about that song because it wasn't included on their debut album.
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But it is included here. So this is this really is. I mean, I don't think it's totally out of line to say that this album was a bit of a cash grab by the label, right?
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Right. Yeah.
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The lead singer dies. There's publicity.
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The grabs outtakes in live versions and singles and put it out quite often.
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Those the results of that sort of thing is are pretty awful. But this is this is actually pretty good.
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I mean, I my pick is in a rut. So we finally get a year. It is to me. It's one of the quintessential first wave British punk songs.
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So always been one of my favorites.
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Putting all the sentiment aside.
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It's not a terribly cohesive experience listening to this album.
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You know, you you can see you can see some of the cracks showing. But for this sort of thing, this sort of, you know, slap together thing after the death of a prominent member.
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It is it holds up pretty well, I think.
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Yeah. Yeah. I would agree. Well, that was the ruts with grin and bear it and not not going to be a contender for my list.
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You Joseph said that we probably shouldn't have covered it. And I am glad we did.
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Yeah, I only say that like following the rules of the format somebody wise once said it's our podcast.
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We can do whatever the hell we want. I think the word is fuck. I think it's a really wise man. And because of that, you use the word fuck.
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You've the word. We can do whatever the fuck we want. That's right.
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So what else do we have coming up? I have been dying for a long time to discuss this album with you because I know that you weren't familiar with it.
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And the song that you picked, I think is pretty telling the absolutely bizarre left turn that the specials do on their on their follow up album more specials.
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I mean, their first album was glorious. They probably could never have matched it if they just kept marching down the same path.
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So I understand why they take a hard pivot. But you know, I think I would have liked to have had the specials version of like their give them enough rope.
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You know, I think they had like one more pretty great straight ahead. Scott album in them before they evolved into something else. I do not begrudge them for for changing the choices that they make are bizarre on this and interesting and sometimes very fun.
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And what a disjointed album and puzzling I had this when I was a kid. I got it because I love their debut so much and I was so puzzled by it.
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I can see that.
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Now it does have one of my favorite special songs of all time and the first special song I ever heard, which was on this beloved compilation I mentioned all the time called Life in the European theater.
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So of course I had to pick it for our discussion on this album. It's a song called Man at CNA.
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And I don't have a say in the world that they wrote.
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One and one and two can come to an end. Start the time, turn to one.
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Well, I have more to say about this album, but I'm dying to hear your reaction being a newbie to this album. Where are you at?
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Well, I felt like the album was experimental. To me it just felt like they were like, hey let's try a bunch of weird shit. Let's try a bunch of different stuff and see what sticks.
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To me, what stuck the most was the stuff closest to the style of the specials that I know.
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So more of side one.
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Yeah, so where I like the specials, I haven't heard a lot of them and what I've heard you have brought to me to listen to.
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But it just didn't have as much of that as I really wanted.
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So I was a little disappointed in it. Now to say I was disappointed not to say that I didn't like the album because I enjoyed it.
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I thought it was fun. And it had like those different tracks, those different styles that they were playing with within this album.
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It was interesting to hear that kind of stuff.
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So, but as far as like how well do I like it, I think it's fine. I think it's okay.
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Yeah, it is.
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Fine is a good word for it. I think I think any given moment off this album is just fine. The problem is they are different kind of fine songs next to each other.
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They decided as a band that they didn't want to just do some more straight ahead scaw.
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But the problem was that the band was exhausted. The band was kind of falling apart. They had very different visions for what a follow up should be like.
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And so you my understanding is there were some real clashes of personality and vision and they basically decided well half of the songs are going to be going in this direction and half of the songs are going to be going in that direction.
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And you actually split them on the two sides. So the first side is more like post punk and power pop.
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And then side two is like intentionally like music elevator music, a lounge music. It wasn't really called lounge music music back there back then.
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I got to tell you I side one sounds a little.
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MAMZI PAMZI to me where side two even though it's like kind of cheesy loungy type thing.
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It actually it feels like there's a vision to it. And so I think a whole album of the side two type stuff. I would probably actually like a lot more.
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It would be interesting. You know, it certainly is dynamic and fun and unpredictable.
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So I think it would be really interesting to hear more of that.
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A lot of the musical world was playing paying close attention to the specials at this time.
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So even though in retrospect is kind of a weird disjointed album. So it was actually a fairly influential album, a particularly side two.
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The English beat and blur have both cited this album as being pretty influential.
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And then you know, a lot of trip pop kind of was taking its cues from side two of this album as well.
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So man, if it was a full album of that, it might be a whole different thing.
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But as it is, it's a little rough listening.
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Unfortunately, we're not going to I think both of the cuts that we picked are off of side one.
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So it's not a good representation of actually kind of the most influential parts of this album.
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So that's just according to me now.
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Oh well.
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So the song that you picked is a cover.
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I think they do a really good job, but it doesn't feel vital in any particular way.
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Yeah.
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What's going on with your pick?
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So I picked Sockettoom J.B.
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And I just felt like it had this sweet groove kind of felt like 70s a bit, you know, 1970s.
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It's upbeat.
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And it was, I mean, pretty upbeat, I got to say.
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But I love all the James Bond references that they throw out there.
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Well, I'll be honest, it wasn't at all what I was expecting.
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I have never heard the original version of this song.
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That's a no.
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I rush with love.
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Go, finger.
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Stand that ball.
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Casino.
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Royale.
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Soul shot.
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Shake it with the soul.
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Shake it by the lights of the blue.
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First of all, they are super tight on the song.
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They do a really good job.
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I've never heard the original.
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I don't know how different it is, but I just other than them having fun, I'm not quite sure what the point of the song is.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
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I think that's all right sometimes just to have fun.
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Yeah, even when I was a kid and I had this album, I was a little annoyed by the song because it's like,
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it doesn't feel like it has any utility.
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You guys are just playing around.
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Yeah.
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Well, that was the reason I liked it.
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I think also, I just needed to hear something that was goofy, goofy and silly and fun.
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Now, I think about it, I'm really regretting that we...
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Well, you know what?
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At the end of this episode, we will go out on another cut off of this album, off of Side 2, one of them, the more like loungey elevator music influenced songs.
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So that... because that's...
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Right now, Side 2 is not represented at all.
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It all.
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Yeah.
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So anyways, that is the specials...
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a sophomore release, more specials.
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It is a weird, goofy, unexpected left turn for the band.
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You know, at the time, this album was really pretty well received by the critics and the critics going,
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oh, it's so great that they're not just doing straight ahead scoff.
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Having distance from it, we can go, yeah, okay, but nobody did straight ahead post punk scoff like the specials.
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And we didn't get more than one album of that.
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That's... that's rough.
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So whether or not it shows up on best of less, it seems a little unlikely, particularly since the...
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their debut album didn't do nearly as well as I predicted that it would be.
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I don't know.
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I mean, it's definitely not a consideration for me.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, unfortunately not for me either.
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Though I enjoyed it.
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I enjoyed the album thoroughly.
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It, like I said, it was a bit of a surprise and a bit of a shock that, you know, it wasn't quite what I expected.
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But, you know, had some fun moments.
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The next album we're going to cover is from a band called The Tear Drop Explodes.
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And I had never heard of them before.
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Which is a little surprising, I think, at any rate.
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This is their album Killamon Jaro.
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In doing a little bit of research, I came up with a flunted bit that, I don't know, Joseph, you probably don't really care a whole lot about.
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But I like to find out where a band gets their name.
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And as it turns out, The Tear Drop Explodes comes from an issue of a Marvel comic book, Daredevil number 77.
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And I thought that was really funny.
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And I could actually see the panel with the Tear Drop hitting the ground and the words The Tear Drop Explodes.
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And that's exactly where it came from.
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That's how they got the name.
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Well, that makes sense.
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I mean, you have corrected me in the past.
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I've referred to them as Tear Drop Explode.
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Yeah.
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And you said, no, I'm like, wait, it's the Tear Drop Explodes.
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That doesn't make any sense.
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But it doesn't.
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Yeah.
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Now, now that I have a sense of the context of it, it's like, oh, okay, got it.
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Yeah.
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So this is, like I said, it's a band I'd never heard from or heard about until now.
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Now this, I mean, that's technically not true.
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We talked, we talked about them at the beginning of the season, right?
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My, what I mean by that is they're not a band that I knew of that.
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Oh, oh, yeah, yeah.
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So I guess I should clarify.
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Okay.
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They weren't somebody that I knew of back then.
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Anyway, they are a band from London formed in 1978.
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They were a big part of the London post-punk scene.
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And in fact, launch the career of Julian Cope.
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Now, by the time this record had been released in 1980, the band had already been through several lineup changes that, and, you know,
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I mean, a lot of people were in and out of that band pretty quick, but that didn't really stop them from, you know, from charting at number 24 on the UK album chart with this album.
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And number 156 on Billboard 200.
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So the album had seven singles, including the two songs that we're hearing from tonight.
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Now, the song that I picked, well, let's just listen to it.
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This is treason. It's just a story.
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To me, treason sounds like a Julian Cope song for sure.
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And apparently, it was inspired by pop songwriter, poet, Jake Zachary, and the band Echo and the Bunnieman, which I kind of found interesting.
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Now, Cope said that what he was going for was he wanted to do a song that was done in all minors.
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And he started with B minor, the knee minor, the neck sharp minor, and then went into G. And he said at that point, it just sounded melodic and beautiful, and it was perfect.
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Like you, this is the first album by Teardrop explodes that I've heard.
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Oh, yeah.
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I was, I think it was just barely out of high school when I discovered Julian Cope.
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I had a handful of his albums.
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Musical artists that were kind of kind of got big in the late 80s and early 90s, it started out in punk and post punk bands in the 70s and 80s.
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You know, there's an evolution with a sound very different like Peter Murphy, his solo stuff in the early 90s sounds very, very different than the Bauhaus's debut album.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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This Julian Cope just always kind of sounds like Julian Cope, right?
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Well, that's what I was saying.
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This is definitely a Julian Cope song, but you're right.
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Right out of the gate.
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And you know, it's not surprising to me that this was at least in the UK.
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Because they have got a very kind of realized, crystallized distinct sound.
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You know, it didn't take them a couple of albums like Japan to figure out, you know, what they were about.
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You know, this is a pretty confident, assured, stylistically debut.
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I don't know that Julian Cope is ever that interesting to me.
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I mean, his whole vibe is fine.
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I like, like Tim enough to have several of his albums, but I just, you know, it's fine.
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I like this album.
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I think that, and so we have heard a song off of this album previously, actually, the kicking off this season, Tony picked this album to highlight it kind of a more obscure debut.
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We heard the song, Ha, I'm drowning.
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And what I'm about to say is really true for that song and the two songs that we're listening to tonight.
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You can hear a little bit of it, but it is kind of prominent throughout the album, which is this very dated, unfortunate tendency they have to use.
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Keyboard synths to do brass parts, to do horns, which probably at the time sounded pretty new and cool, but it's very, very dated and pretty cringe as far as I'm concerned.
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So if I could go back to in time and have a conversation with the producer of this album, I'd say, hey, you know, what's you've recorded everything before you start mixing down?
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Just set aside an extra day and hire a four piece horn band to come in and redo those synth horn parts.
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And your album is going to sound 20% better.
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So that is sort of my biggest complaint about this album.
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Otherwise, I like it. I think it's pretty solid.
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You know, it is, it's another one of those, okay, got it albums where you hear a couple of songs and you go, okay, I know what this album is about.
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And a lot of the songs kind of sound pretty same to me.
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Yeah, that's kind of the angle I came at it from, like you said.
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It sounds like a Julian Koep song, the rest of the song sound like Julian Koep songs.
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But, you know, there was something in it I enjoyed.
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The reason is just a story and the song that you picked are on my rotation in the car.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I play with them the car.
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Well, I picked when I dream it's, it's mostly I picked it because it's one of the songs.
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It sounds kind of the most different than the rest of, I mean, it's still got the same sound, but just the songwriting structure is a little bit.
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Unique.
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It goes on way too long.
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This song is insanely repetitive and long and so there's that.
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So we're not going to listen to that repetitive part.
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No.
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I don't see myself ever getting super excited about something that that Julian Koep does.
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But this is, this is a pretty good album.
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I like it.
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Don't love it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I'm kind of in the same boat.
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So I enjoyed the album and I felt like it had some, it had some interesting points to it.
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So, but as far as the album, this is the tear drop explodes with Kilimanjaro as far as the album goes.
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It's not going to make my list and I, you know, if there are tear drop explodes fans out there, I really would be interested in hearing from you.
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Okay, this is a fun one.
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Yes.
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We get to talk about an album that is a pretty good, Devo album.
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Like in the top half, just happens to not be released by the band, Devo.
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It is instead an album called Digital Stimulation by a band called Units.
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And let's listen to my pick so we can get, we can get a little flavor.
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Actually, I'd say of a lot of the songs, this is, this is one of the songs that doesn't sound too much like Devo, but don't worry, we will, we will get to a good example of one that does.
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So, I love this song, Warm Moving Bodies.
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All right, let's talk about the fact that units, which is the San Francisco band, sounds so much like Devo.
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So now when I was this was this a band that was on your radar at all.
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No, no, no, okay, okay, not at all.
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Me either when I listened to this album for the first time, I made a, I think a pretty reasonable but completely wrong assumption, which was, oh, here's the band.
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And made up of people that heard Devo and said, man, that's cool, let's do that, let's, let's put together a band and let's make music like Devo does.
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Not, couldn't be further from the truth.
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So units was, they got together in 1977.
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Devo didn't release their first album until 1978.
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Devo was, you know, Midwest and but mostly when they started out mostly on the East Coast.
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And of course units were doing their thing here in San Francisco.
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They were by pretty much all accounts.
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The first Bay Area Electro Punk band.
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And believe it or not, they were actually much more performance art related than Devo was, which is kind of surprising because Devo is pretty performance art.
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So theatrical.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So, um, I think the, just the way the, the cards fell for units.
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Um, you know, they got, they got dealt a bad hand because there happened to be another band on the other side of the country that was doing what they were doing sounded very similar but got popular first.
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And so I'm certain that I'm not the first person to listen to the units for the first time and go, oh, Devo rip off.
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But that is, that is not, not the case at all.
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This is a fun album.
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This is a really fun album.
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Yeah.
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By the time they record this album, they admitted that they were familiar with Devo, Devo at that point had kind of their popularity had had spread to San Francisco and they were playing here a lot.
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But according to the band members, it was.
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They were I read a quote from one of them saying, yeah, when I, when I heard Devo for the first time I went, oh, they're, wow, they're really doing what we're doing only they're doing it better, which I think was pretty big of him.
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But I don't know that you could call that in an influence.
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I think they just kind of evolved parallel to each other and I think this is a great album. So much fun. So much fun.
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So I picked a song called Bug Boy and I got to say it's a sad little phone about a kid who tortures bugs.
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This is, this is a great song. What a great subject matter and the way that they manage it is kind of brilliant.
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It is also so so sounding so much like a Devo song.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I honestly think that that, well, I know that that sounds what grabbed me from the very start.
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He's got the words of lawyer, mother and son, just.
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He was your star boy. You like to torture bugs.
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We may go out to work. He go out to play with pockets full of weapons.
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You better say I would have my way.
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He'd say there's no one to panic.
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I torture that price.
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It's a Bible, by the face.
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And danger.
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Oh, yeah.
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You got to be in your bitch's hands and capture little bugs.
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So again, it's a song about a kid who tortures bugs.
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Now his dad is a lawyer and his mom is a psychologist.
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So when he becomes a serial killer later in life, they're both going to be able to help him out.
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Wow, you really delved into these lyrics.
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I did. I did.
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But no, overall, I think that the song is, is fun.
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It's definitely different. It's definitely unique.
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Okay, it sounds like Devo, but again, when you get into the lyrics, I was just kind of like holy crap.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, what a neat band.
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Yeah, I mean, I think the, I wouldn't even call it a criticism,
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but just sort of an observation about what might have held this band back a little bit is just songwriting wise, structure wise, arrangement wise.
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I think they have a very small bag of tricks.
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I mean, even in these two songs, you could hear that the formula of their,
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they're doing the, the verses in the verses are a little bit more like freeform vocals.
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And then it gets to the chorus and it's like that abrupt staccato syllable thing, which is just a trick that they go back to a lot.
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And so there are, there are a lot of songs that sound pretty similar, but the energy is always really high.
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This, this must have been a great band to see live.
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You see pictures of them and you wouldn't match them with, with this, this sound.
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So like you see pictures of Devo and you go, oh, yeah, that's the kind of band that would be making this type of music.
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But you see them and they just, they seem like well, three guys and one female just kind of pull off the street.
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Yeah.
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I, I looked into like where they played in the Bay Area and they hit all the, all the good clubs, you know, the FADMAB.
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They hit all the, all the big clubs and they toured with all the big bands.
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Yes.
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So I know.
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I mean, I'm looking at it.
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They played with soft sale Gary Newman, Iggy Pop, the best entity.
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Ex to see.
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Yeah.
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I was astonished at that list.
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Yeah.
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Oh, M.D.
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Yeah.
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I, I think they toured nationally with OMD, right?
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Yes, they did.
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Yeah.
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So, but they opened up with, for all these other bands, even the police.
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And, and so that kind of blew me away.
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So that is a unit.
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And I'm being very careful not to put the word the in front of it because it's just units.
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They're debut album, digital stimulation.
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Not a serious consideration for a top 10 list for 1980 as far as I go.
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But, um, but it is a notable album.
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It's, it's a bit of an eye opener for real.
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Yeah.
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It is.
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Yeah.
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It's definitely worth listening to a few times.
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Yeah.
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Well, the next album we're going to cover, I had a lot of fun listening to.
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We have talked about it a little bit before.
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This is the police with Zenyatta Mandada.
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This is their third album, the, from the London based band.
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And released on A&M Records, co-produced by Nigel Gray and the police.
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And it reached number one on the UK charts and number five on the Billboard 200.
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So it's a big deal.
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This album is a big deal.
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Now, we talked about the police already, but we've also talked about how when they first started,
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they came out a tight band.
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You know, they sounded like they've been doing it for years.
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Now, this album, Zenyatta Mandada, actually won the band a couple of Grammys.
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They got Best Rock Performance by a duo or a group with vocals.
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What a great, what a great category.
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They, they also got one for, oh, that by the way, was for Don't Stand So Close To Me,
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which everybody knows.
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And the award for Best Rock Instrumental Performance for the song Behind My Camel.
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Going back and listening to their albums, album at a time,
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I am growing into a bigger fan than I was in the 80s.
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And it really just has to do with the craftsmanship and the artistry of what they're doing, you know, the stuff they're putting out.
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That said, I think I like this album a little bit less than the last one.
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So, now this album actually stayed at number one in the UK chart for four weeks.
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And it stayed on the US Billboard 200 for three years, so we know it was a big deal.
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The singles on it were Don't Stand So Close To Me, and to do, do, do, do, to, da, da, da.
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Those two songs also became the bands.
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First, top ten hits on the Billboard Hot 100.
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I picked really, I think what, what is my favorite song on the album?
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And that's a tune called Driven to Tears.
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All we can offer them is a page in some magazine.
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Too many cameras and not enough food.
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This is what we've seen. Driven to Tears.
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Driven to Tears.
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The two big hits off of this album are two of the earliest songs that I remember, you know, when I was listening to pop music.
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This might have been the first police album that I owned.
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And I remember being very confused by it as a kid, because it's an odd, weird album in a very good way.
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So, even though I like Rigett de Blanc better, I would say that their first two albums are...
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You could... or I would describe as pop song...
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Pop song is done in a reggae style.
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But this was in Yada Mandada.
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This is the album where they transcend reggae.
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They do their own thing.
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I mean, it's still reggae influence, but they are carving out their own unique sound that really nobody's heard up until this point.
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And it's such a cool ethos.
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So, we were talking earlier about the talking heads.
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And I said that there was only one talking heads song that I don't like because it's just been overplayed.
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That is not true from with the police.
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There are so many songs by the police that I can't stand that at one point I loved but have just been...
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I've just heard a thousand times too many.
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And that probably comes from all their albums, right?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So, the two of the police songs that I cannot stand like the strongest, that I have the strongest negative reaction to, are off of this album.
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Don't stand so close to me, and...
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The two hits, the two big singles of the album.
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I cannot stand those songs.
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I have to skip them every time I listen to this album.
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So that's a problem for me.
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Well, there are some other really great songs on this album.
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Oh, before I forget I should mention that because we already did our deep dive on this album we have heard
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The previously mentioned Grammy award-winning
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instrumental
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Behind my camel and bombs away
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this
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album gets pretty weird sometimes and you know it's kind of funny the two songs that we're featuring tonight sound very
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similar in the sense that they
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We didn't pick any of the like really weird ones like man in a suitcase or anything like that we
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I've tempted yeah
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Canary in a coal mine there's yeah, yeah, there's a there's a sort of
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Almost like nursery rhyme child like
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Flavor to a lot of these songs
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The most obvious one being to do do do do do do do do do do do
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But the the two songs that that we're featuring tonight are more
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You know a little bit more straight ahead definitely more sophisticated
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So my pick is the song with
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The longest title yeah, yeah, absolutely
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Called when the world is running down you make it's the best of what's still around which is a
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Terrible title for a song, but that doesn't mean it's not a great song
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But
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I'm the best one in the world.
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I'm the best one in the world.
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I'm the best one in the world.
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I'm the best one in the world.
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I'm the best one in the world.
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So the question on everybody's mind, Rob, is
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at the beginning of this season you predicted
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that this would be the,
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voted the number one punk and new wave album of 1980.
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Are you still feeling confident about that?
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Or are you seeing the air of your ways?
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Yeah, I'm not feeling confident that it'll be number one to be honest.
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I mean, I love this album.
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I love it a lot.
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Again, I think it's great.
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But given what they're up against,
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there's so much out there,
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I wouldn't be surprised if it's in the number 10 though.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know, if it's within the top 10,
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I will be completely happy.
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Yeah, I mean, Regetta De Blanc was in the top five, I think.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, I mean, this is a much weirder album.
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It's pretty weird.
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It's pretty weird.
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But I gotta say, it's still a lot of fun.
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And it has a lot of character.
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Yeah.
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You know, which I can't say about their next album,
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is which is not a bad album.
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But this one just has a lot of personality to it.
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Yeah.
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Well, that was the police's third album,
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then Yottam and Dada.
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And I am going to hold off,
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putting it in my, just putting it in my,
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my yes category for now as far as the top 10 list.
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But we'll see what happens.
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We'll see what happens.
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Yeah, I don't think I'm gonna seriously consider it just because
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there's, there's two songs that...
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You can't stand.
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I cannot stand.
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I hear you.
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Yeah.
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We have one more album to discuss.
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This is an album that was not released in October of 1980,
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typically when that happens,
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because we don't know the release date.
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This one we do know the release date.
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It just was released in March of 1980,
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and they were not on our radar at that point.
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So we are sticking them in here.
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This is the debut album from an English band called
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Black So Babies.
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An album called Nine Months to the Disco.
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I'm gonna say it right up front because there's no getting around it.
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The obvious comparison is to the pop group, right?
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Oh, yeah.
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They're kind of doing something similar.
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I think they are less abrasive and aggressive deconstruction of pop music
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and more jazz funk, post punk thing.
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They can really groove.
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So before we start nitpicking,
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let's listen to my pick off of this.
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I believe it's a leading track on the album,
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a song called Maximum Sexual Joy.
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So pretty funky, huh?
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I'm gonna say it right now.
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I'm gonna say it right now.
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I'm gonna say it right now.
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So pretty funky, huh?
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Rob, this album is so funky.
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Yeah.
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This album has hardly any vocals,
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and that wasn't entirely by design.
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So this band got together, had been together for several years,
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and in 1979, they went into the studio to start recording their debut album,
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and then the lead singer split.
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Wow.
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They apparently had completely different visions of what direction they were going to go in.
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And so the lead vocalist left.
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They stopped recording.
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They kind of regrouped.
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And a couple of months, not that long afterwards,
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they went back in and recorded this entire album in one day.
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So the two songs that we are going to hear are pretty like,
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structurally focused, groove oriented songs.
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Not every single song off of this album is like that.
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There are some kind of more like sound scapey, ambionty type things,
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a little bit more like Asa Jazz.
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If you see one of their songs with the word disco in it,
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I can tell you there's going to be no groove to it.
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It's just going to be this abstract soundscape type thing.
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Apparently their thing.
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And it is much more accessible than the pop groups,
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either of the pop groups albums that we've discussed.
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And there was a member of the band, right?
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A member, like the guitar player or something, was in the pop group,
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I think, from Glaxo Babies.
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Yeah.
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Dan Cassis was a member of the pop group.
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Oh, I totally missed that.
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But I'm not surprised at all.
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We talked about for how much longer do we tolerate Mass Murder?
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And he was featured on that album.
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Okay, cool.
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Well, that totally fits.
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That was not on my radar at all.
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The song I chose is called Free Them Cells.
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And the reason I picked that song was purely for the guitar.
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I don't remember a song that I didn't like off this album.
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As I mentioned, there are basically two types of songs.
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One has some funky groove and is kind of more dance oriented.
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And the other is more of a soundscape and ambiance soundscape-y type thing.
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Obviously, I always gravitate towards the stuff with the little groove.
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But there wasn't anything off-putting about this album at all.
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You know, some of it got maybe a little bit boring.
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My mind would drift from time to time.
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But what they're doing, they're doing really well.
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Yeah, I can tell you that out of bands that we've listened to,
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albums that we've heard that are considered experimental or avant-garde jazz,
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this one I think is the most palatable or the most palatable.
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Sometimes they get pretty scattered and you're like,
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I don't know how to take this.
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Yeah, I would say this isn't terribly challenging.
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But still being fairly freeform and fairly experimental.
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Yeah, for sure.
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I think some of the albums that we've heard in the past from other bands,
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it's like I can't actually sit and listen to this entire album in one go.
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Yeah, the pop group, anyone?
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Yeah, yeah.
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But this, I think again, is more palatable than some of those.
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I think it was a really cool addition and a great way to end a go at October of 1980.
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Yeah.
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So that is Glaxo Babies debut album called Nine Months to the Disco.
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It's not a consideration for my personal top 10.
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I mean, I think it's a little bit of an underground favorite.
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But the fact that only now is it on our radar speaks to how.
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How underground it is at this point.
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Yeah, for sure.
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Yeah, not on my list either or consideration.
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Like I said, I think it's really funky and I want to hear more of it.
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At the same time, it's not exactly what I want from my new wave punk post punk playlist.
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But glad we heard it.
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Yeah.
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And that, my friends, is October of 1980 took us four episodes to get through.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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I feel accomplished.
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Yeah.
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Monster month.
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I think most of us have kind of forgotten about maybe some of the stuff that we talked about at the top.
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Four episodes ago.
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So, Rob, what are you just remind us of all of the albums that we've discussed that were released in October of 1980?
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Yeah, you got it.
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So in October of 1980, we covered Circle Jerks with Group Sex.
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In excesses album in excess.
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Rockpiles, Seconds of Pleasure.
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Japan's Gentlemen Take Polaroids.
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Klaus Schultz's album Digit.
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Bout Houses in the Flat Field.
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Domes Dome 2.
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Toy Loves album, Toy Love.
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Colin Newman with A to Z.
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U2's album Boy.
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Joe Jackson's Beat Crazy.
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Killing Jokes album, Killing Joke.
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Talking Heads album Remain in Light.
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M with the official Secrets Act.
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Flowers, a G.A. Ice House with Ice House.
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Rough Trades album, Avoid Freud.
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Monochrome sets the Love Zombies.
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OMD's album, Organization.
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The Plasmatics with New Hope, The Wretched.
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The Red Salbum, Grand in Barrett.
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The Specials with More Specials.
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The Teardrop explodes with Kilimanjaro.
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Units with Digital Stimulation.
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The Police wins with Zenyatta Mandada.
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And Glaxo Babies, Nine Months to the Disco.
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Woo! That's a hell of a lift.
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Yeah!
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So yeah, wow.
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Insane month.
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November is going to be crazy too.
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Yes.
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November is another four episodes.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But, uh, wow, man.
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I mean, this is a long season for us.
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And something tells me it's not going to be the longest.
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Yeah.
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So, you know, we've got a lot coming.
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Yeah.
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Well, we are, you mentioned.
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November of 1980, that's coming up next, probably next month.
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And stick around after the fade.
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And we will list the albums that we will be covering.
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Last episode, we went out on a little teaser from November.
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We kind of moved things around from what we normally do
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so that we can go out on a...
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Another song off of the more specials album, Off of Side 2,
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one of the kind of more...
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Lounge Music cuts from that odd and influential album.
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Okay, everybody.
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We will talk to you very soon.
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Yeah.
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See ya.
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Yeah.
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The albums that we'll be covering for November of 1980
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are Adam and the Ants, with Kings of the Wild Front here.
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Bad manners with looney tunes.
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Half Japanese with...
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Half gentlemen not beasts.
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Blondie with auto-American,
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Moe Dead is with the story so far,
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Blue Peter with Radio Silence,
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The Tourist Album,
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Luminous Basement,
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Crocodiles with looking at ourselves,
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Daned with the black album,
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pointed sticks with perfect youth,
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Sound with their album's jeopardy,
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Fall with grotesque,
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Quick flight with breakaway,
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In Dury and the blockheads with black hair.
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The passage with Pindrop,
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The jam with sound effects,
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Highline with Gyrate,
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The Models with Alpha Bravo,
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Charlie,
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The Birthday Party with the Birthday Party,
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Visage with Visage,
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Yellow with solid pleasures,
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Fingerprints with distinguishing marks,
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The Jags with evening standards,
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The Secret with success without college,
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The Freshies with rough and ready,
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Lafem with Lafem,
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Gary Myrick and the Figures,
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Gary Myrick and the Figures and Nervous Racks
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with their eponymously titled debut.