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England off to a flyer in the ICC Women's World Cup, Woakes calls time on his international career and play 'Nasser Bingo' with us!
In this episode, we discuss England's impressive start in the ICC Women's World Cup, Chris Woakes' retirement from international cricket, and engage in some light-hearted fun with '...
England off to a flyer in the ICC Women's World Cup, Woakes calls time on his international career and play 'Nasser Bingo' with us!
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Yeah, gone.
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Garnie gets his fairy-tile ending.
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The epic way to go to attach Matt Conrad.
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The London Spirits first time, we did it.
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They must have lost the last one.
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And you're probably ever seen, Megan.
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Sixth up, four final test wicked, the Stuart Wolf.
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It's India, one the T-21 world captain.
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England's captain Ben Stokes, while he is there, England have home.
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This week's Skycricut podcast, I'm in Hertfordshire.
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NASA is in Guwahati, where a week or so into the into the women's world,
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cut the last time we were on the pod,
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naturally, we're winging about your visa.
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Clearly the public winch worked and you managed to get a visa pronto after that.
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Firstly, that's just a lie.
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I wasn't winging. Secondly, that's not the whole story.
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I got in eventually.
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Friday night that these are came through six o'clock from a Monday morning flight.
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And everything went perfectly and then I was so tired, I slept from
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Delhi to Guwahati on the intern of flight.
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And I slept so well, I left my passport on the plane.
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So I got off the plane.
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Have you spent a once to get a visa trying to get into the country?
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I don't think I could get out of the country.
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So everyone was scrambling around to find my passport,
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which I eventually got a Guwahati cricket club or cricket ground.
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So I'm here safe and well, enjoying the tournament.
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Where about a week into it now, aren't we?
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And the top three are the top three, England, Australia and India sit at the top of the group.
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The top three, I'm sure I heard a prediction from you on Sky Cricket that said,
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India, Australia, South Africa, where you're top three.
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And what you said, that's what you said.
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That was before South Africa, England match.
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Don't be backtracking.
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Again, again, that's too large.
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You made two statements in this pod and they're both lies.
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So you better have a good lawyer.
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Certainly, Mike Alters said was the two deafness to go through would be India and Australia,
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who are the top two in the group.
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So I'm right so far.
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And two out of England, South Africa and New Zealand would go through.
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It's not all you said.
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You said two out of South Africa, where your first name,
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England and New Zealand.
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Anyway, what's Guwahati like as one of the few venues on the international circuit?
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I don't think I've been to.
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You've been sat on your
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handsome backside for the last three days given that there's been no cricket.
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I mean, it's curiosity got the better of you have just been sat in your room
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eating biryani as usual.
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That's the first bit of truth you've come out with my handsome backside.
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I've been eating a lot of biryani, which means I have to go to the gym a bit.
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So the food is exceptional.
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I tell you what, I don't my geography of India.
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I've been born here is just like all over the place.
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I did not realize how far north and east Guwahati is.
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Guwahati is up from Bangladesh.
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Nearly into Tibet.
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We just have to go a bit further north and we're into Tibet.
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So I like the culture here.
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I have to be honest.
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It's a real mix.
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The foods are mixed.
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The people are a mix.
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A bit of rain still.
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We're coming to the end of the rainy season.
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So every day we have a bit of rain, which affected the first game.
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India Sri Lanka.
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Kalamba had a bit of rain as well.
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One game off there.
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So that might be a factor.
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But yeah, Guwahati is nice.
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Food's lovely.
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Cricket is good.
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The pitch is good.
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And England played tomorrow.
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That's my next.
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My next game.
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England Bangladesh in Guwahati tomorrow.
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Bangladesh won their first game as well.
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So reflect on England's opening match.
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Or mismatch really would be a better description of it.
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I don't think.
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I mean, you know, you could imagine England winning.
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I don't think anybody imagined such a comfortable win.
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And a good day for Lindsay Smith who often gets
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overshadowed in the left arm spin stakes.
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Yeah, 69 all out.
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We'll take that when you win the toss and bowl.
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Brilliant.
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England were outstanding.
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Lindsay Smith just does what she does with that new ball.
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Little drifters in.
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The South African batters kept playing for the turn.
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Kept came bold through the gate.
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Well, she four overs three for seven.
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It was nice to see that silver brunt back bowling.
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She bowled a few overs in the warm up games, but not a lot.
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Yeah, I mean, that was the balance of England side with the three spinners.
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Two seamers with that silver brunt being one of those.
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I'd be like Ben Stokes, I suppose, in the men's side.
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It makes such a difference to the balance of the team, doesn't it?
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It does.
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They may go different tomorrow with Bangladesh.
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They may want another pace for Bangladesh.
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They may go Lauren Filer or they may stick with the winning formula, but
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yeah, that was good to see.
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South Africa not so good really.
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It wasn't a minefield as England showed when they just chased them off
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none down and India got 269 on it in the first game.
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It was just a slowish pitch didn't turn much.
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Turned a bit for Eccleston who bowed nicely.
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So South Africa would be really good.
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I mean, a good year in 50 over cricket and players in real good form at the top of the order.
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They'll be disappointed with their batting and some of their selections as well.
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I thought we're a bit odd.
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They've got a massive game today as we speak.
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Yeah, but Todd goes out, you know, that result will probably be in and never chance to put
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you right today.
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And elsewhere, I mean, hundreds for Sophie Divine, Ash Gardner, India 2 from 2.
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What's your general impressions of the tournament so far?
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I think India have been decent, but no better than that.
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I did the first game against Sri Lanka where it took their mid-lord and lower order to pull
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them out of a hole a little bit.
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Deep Deshama played really well with the tail.
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And in the last game yesterday, Amon Jot didn't play.
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She played really well in the first game as well with Snairana.
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But a lot of batters getting in and getting out on then some drop chances as well.
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So India maybe 2 from 2, but still not quite at their best.
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You know, it's pretty man-man-a, who's been exceptional this year.
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She hasn't quite clicked.
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Amon Pritaskipo hasn't quite clicked.
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But if they do, then they will be a threat.
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The tournament is as expected, I would say.
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Australia, Ash Gardner was quite brilliant coming in down the order.
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They have so many batting options.
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It is ridiculous.
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And you fear for some, I've always thought in these World Cups,
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ICC event, you fear for some of the tiny, smaller Asian batters,
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Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Pakistan yesterday.
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They just get a bit overpowered.
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I do think power and size is very important in the women's game.
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Still, even with touch players around.
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And you can just see the power belongs at the moment to the likes of
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Australia, India, England to a degree as well.
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So I've been very impressed with England.
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I know it's only one game, but when the card came up,
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by the toss in that game the other day against South Africa,
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you looked at that side.
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And you wondered why all the doom and gloom was for England, to be honest.
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I think the doom and gloom comes a bit in a knockout game.
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We won't know that possibly until the end of the tournament,
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where they have three tough fixtures.
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They have India, New Zealand and Australia, and then possibly knockout game.
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So that's when it'll be the point for England to really dig deep.
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But on paper they look a very strong side.
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You're talking about power and muscle.
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I was listening to an interview that Stuart Lorde, who's coaching
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Napoleon at the moment, isn't he?
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And they did, well, they beat West Indies in a series.
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And he was talking about six hitting and how you don't necessarily,
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I think I'm right.
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And saying you don't necessarily have to be, you know,
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big and strong and musely to hit sixes if your technique and your kind of shape is good.
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And, you know, Napoleon's batters had managed to do that.
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So it's not just necessarily about muscle.
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No, it is technique, but it does help just in the gym with Carlos Brafford.
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Actually, there was a slight discrepancy in body shape between me and Carlos.
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One was a proper six-hitter.
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The other one wasn't.
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So, yeah, look, I do think it's important, but it's not vital.
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There are some wonderful touch players, Smitty Manderner,
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and the number one batter in this format in the world isn't a big, strong woman.
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She's got lovely touch and timing.
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So it's not to be all an end all, but I do think it helps.
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And handshake, gate, continued between Indy and Pakistan.
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Yeah, it's all a bit disappointing, isn't it?
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I mean, that's why I used to really enjoy these, and still do,
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enjoy these ICC events, is because it is for all the politics that goes on,
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you turn up, and you see just cricket been played, and you see Indy and Pakistan,
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men and women get on so well.
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And, you know, the, it just politics takes over, and it leaves a sort of sour taste in your mouth.
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You just know how well the players get on.
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So it is disappointing, but it is what it is.
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I know you've written about it, and you've stated that maybe it shouldn't be a given,
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that India-Pakistan has always been a given, isn't it?
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In the group stages of men and women's cricket, the ICC have India-Pakistan,
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for obvious reason, for the financial reason.
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You feel maybe with what's going on now, it shouldn't be a given?
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Well, I think any serious sport shouldn't have a draw for world cops,
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but it is not transparent and open, and everybody knows why,
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I think it's since 2013, isn't it?
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The India-Pakistan games have been arranged, so that if it's not just one group,
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obviously, if it's just one round rub in, they're going to play each other,
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because everybody plays each other.
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But if they're in group phases, they've been put together, and there's been a tacit kind of
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acknowledgement or approval of that for all the obvious reasons,
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one, the scarcity of the fixture and be the economics of it.
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But as you say, once it becomes a proxy for propaganda and politics,
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I think that argument carries less weight, and I also think just a serious sport
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should have a more formal and open process around its draws for world cup fixtures.
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Even with the game's finances not in-ging on it, but...
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Well, you couldn't do it in the middle of a broadcast deal,
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because broadcast rights are determined by, that's parts of the reason why it's so valuable,
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but ahead of a new round of broadcast talks, then I think I'll make it clear that it's
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should be a formal process.
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And the other thing, unfortunately, the discrepancy has gone in the sides as well.
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I think India...
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Well, that's not...
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And the women yesterday, I think it was 12-0.
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12-0 in ICC event, so we all build it up as even I,
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when I throw to a graphic and the next game coming up and I go,
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and now the next...
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The big game in India, Pakistan, it's 12-0 in India,
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so...
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And I know we're going to come on to India, West Indies, the test match that's just finished,
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that the difference between the haves and the have-nots,
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it's just growing wider and wider.
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And that's why in this tournament, as I'm sitting here,
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I hope Sri Lanka pull off and up there.
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I hope tomorrow Bangladesh get really close or even could be England.
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You know, if you want to turn up to a game and see and realise and hope that both sides could win it,
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at the moment in cricket, you know, that was the great thing about the test series in summer,
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England, India, was that you didn't know which way it was going to go.
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At the moment in cricket, international cricket, there's a lot of turning up and you're like,
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you got feel, is it, you know, there is a...
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That toss went up, India, West Indies, test match.
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The moment the coin came down and West Indies back at first, I could probably tell you
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what was going to go on in that game.
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They were going to get scored, it was below part, India were going to back on Niles,
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past them and bold them out, second time round.
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And that's pretty much what happened.
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It's a bit too predictable and demoralising, really.
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That means one of the advantages that franchise cricket has over international cricket.
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Once, well, when we played international cricket,
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there was a level playing field really in terms of finances and economics of the game,
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because there's essentially no money in the game.
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But once satellite television drives the finances of the game and the markets with big
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satellite television markets are the UK, Australia, and India.
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And once that drives the market and the changes to how the finances of the game
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are portioned, then that's going to drive a discrepancy, as you say, whereas
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non-international cricket, franchise cricket, I suppose,
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works differently because you're getting people in through drafts and auctions,
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and therefore you can create competitive tension, regardless,
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doesn't matter really where the players come from, because you're not producing those players,
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and you're not limited to selecting players from within those boundaries.
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So, competitive tension is much easier to manipulate or create
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in a franchise environment, and that's going to be one of the challenges that
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international cricket faces down the line, because, as you say, you need
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the beauty of sport is the uncertainty and the not knowing, and that's the main reason really
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why people keep coming to live sport to watch, you know, that films are on, you can get whatever
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film you want on, on whichever platform you want to watch it, but live sport is a rarity,
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and that's why broadcasters pay top dollar for it, and because people keep coming because of
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that uncertainty, and once the uncertainty starts to wither away, then it's problematic,
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and that's problematic for international cricket, because, as I say, the competitive balance can
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easily be manipulated in franchise cricket, so thumping wimp for India there.
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Sorry, two things, two things I will say is that one, the country that's broken the rule is South
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Africa, I mean, South Africa, world test champions, even in ICC events, men and women, on
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about 69 all out the other day, but they absolutely seem to be able to keep their standards going.
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Well, they're not playing any test cricket at home, the man has to reason.
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Well, yeah, but even without test cricket at home and even without massive broadcast deals, etc,
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and also, let's be honest, what happened to West India's the other day, happens to England,
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happens to a lot of sides coming here to India, and that New Zealand, that's why that New Zealand
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series where they came here on one three now really stands out. I mean, is anything been done,
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or can be done at, I know you go and to lords and these world cricket connects and all these forums
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and discussions and MCC and put it all together, does that ever get followed up on, and you know,
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money and a pool going to be, you know, there's kind of worthy attempts to chat about these
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things and the world cricket as association put out a paper, you know, a year ago, but my view,
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and I've said it before to you on this podcast is it's just too late now that these issues needed
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to be tackled at the start of the kind of the franchise world, that's been the great disruption
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for cricket, and you're going back now 15 years or more since that started, and it was obvious what
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was going to happen to me 15 years ago, so that's when you needed to tackle it, it's too far
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gone now, too far down the line. What do you do now? Do you go to division? I mean, like the crowd,
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I mean, first of all, I'm not sure they should have had it in our meta-babbled, that massive stoke,
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like five, six years ago, I think Virat Kohli said, maybe not as long as I have, but Kohli said
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something about having centers for test match cricket, having five or six grounds at your test
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match grounds in India and hope to sell those out year in year out, it was odd to have it in our meta-babbled,
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but there was no one in watching, and if you know the result and it's hot, and you know,
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you're not going to go and watch it, you may watch it on TV or listen on the radio, I'm sure a lot
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of Indian fans did that, but what do you think should it be two divisions then, and you just get
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you get closer games or I'm happy to get about this before two divisions is fine once this promotion
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and relegation, but try telling Richard Thompson and Richard Gould who are, you know, we're going to
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start renegotiating a television deal for that next right cycle, try telling them that you're going
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to be potentially in division two and negotiating a broadcast deal where you don't know which division
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you're going to win, going to be in. I'm sure what they want are two tears, and the tears never shall
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meet, there we know promotion, no relegation, they're all of that, but I don't believe in that,
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because then you're just a second tier, we'll wither away at that.
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A second tier, we can see we've got to have an ambition to get into the first tier, but I would
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define tears as being separate, and divisions encouraging promotion and relegation. I mean,
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tears would be the American way of looking at sport, American sport generally doesn't have
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promotion and relegation, does it, and it grows leagues, and that's how it does it, but we
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in cricket and in England have had a tradition of promotion and relegation certainly in our
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county championship, and there's a, you know, often good drama around that, but if the moment you
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separate it and don't allow promotion or relegation, and that second tier, you know, what you've
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got to play for, you've got to allow ambition and sport, and as we've seen with the West Indies,
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it can't be things change, you know, one day, top of the pops and the top team, and 10 years later,
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you're not, so you can't just be, you know, in Wisconsin, a division with no jeopardy if there's
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a bit of a downturn. So I don't know what they're going to do around, around divisions, there's a lot
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of chat, but the promotion and relegation given that the finances of countries is based upon
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broadcast deals, you know, no broadcasts, there's one are going to pump,
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hundreds of millions in if you don't know which division of country is going to be in, so that's
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yeah, that's something to a hurdle to kind of get over. Ravindra Jadaja, Man of the Match,
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play of the match, I got Benedict to just knock out the stats. I mean, incredible record,
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there's an all-rounder, almost 4,000 runs, 330 obwickets, a batting average, 38, bowling average,
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25, so the differential there is marked, isn't it? And Benny, trying to get up the the stats now,
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but he put put them on our little WhatsApp group about Ravindra Jadaja, and he is right up there
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in terms of the differential between between batters and bowlers. Yeah, incredible cricket,
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in India he has a slightly different role, where his bowling comes to the fore, but he just gets
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hundreds like he did the other day, you give him a bit of responsibility with the bat and he'll get
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runs as he did in England in the summer. I mean, he was quite brilliant, where the ball wasn't
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spinning so much, so his bowling isn't as effective, he's one of those all-rounders that says,
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right, so not doing as much with the ball, I'll do more with the bat, and that's exactly what he
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did, and he gets his tempo of his batting spot on, and something I'd always thought about India,
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and now Ashwin has gone now as retired, but India's strength at home came for having three world
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class or rounders in Jadaja, Ashwin and Aksharpatel as well in those conditions to come in at 6, 7, 8,
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or even 7, 8, 9 if they wanted, you know, is just for an incredible cricket. I found the
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stats, I'm going to ask you a quiz question here. Could you not send... Sorry, I actually
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would have put this on our podcast, what's that, what I got Benny to send it me. 36 players have
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scored 2,000 plus runs in Test Cricket and taken 100 wickets in Test, 36. The top 12 in terms of
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ratio of batting average to bowling average, and Jadaja is fifth on that list, so a fantastic
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record, but who are the all-rounders with a better ratio of batting average to bowling average
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than him? I'm not going to, as the great man, Rob Kiwans quoted stats of a prize, so I'm not going to go...
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Well, I mean there's someone on the stand, so... Yeah, both of them? No. Not both of them. No.
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Okay, one's relatively modern and you might get him, and the other one is you've got to go back
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to the 50s. Come on, tell me. Tim Rankhan. Tim Rankhan. Yeah, Tim Rankhan. And Pete Miller.
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Keith Miller, but before my... Sova's callus, Tim Rank, Keith Miller. Jadaja and our old friend,
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Sean Pollock. I said this on the pod that we... I don't think we quite realise and talking
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enough. Everyone says we don't talk enough about callus, but because everyone says that, it means
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you are talking about callus. The one we don't talk about enough is Sean Pollock, actually. It
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After that defeat from West Indies,
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Rust and Chase, the captain made mention of some of the challenges that West Indies face around
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bonding and finance and facilities and that kind of thing. I just wondered, you know, when we were
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captain, we made some comments around counter-create. In retrospect, I slightly regret that because I
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feel a little bit like Rob Keynows or Rob Keyn, did a podcast on the Vaughan Coupe Bumble
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Toffinall podcast where he says he completely kind of stays out of politics now. And in a way,
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two bodies completely separate. This is what we're looking for. This is the direction we're trying
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to go in. This is what we're looking for. I think you do have to try and have that communication
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as opposed to two completely separate entities. And then it's up to, I've always said it's up to
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the counties to do what, you know, you cannot tell a county what side to pick and what direction to go in.
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They are answerable to their members, to the wins, to the trophies. If they don't win trophies,
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as a captain or a coach, you'll be sacked. So that is their job is to win. But they will also
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realize the best coach you listen to. I think Alec gets it pretty good. I know he's not coached
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there any more direct for cricket has been very successful. I think Alec gets it pretty much spot on
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that or has done over the years. That's sorry. He wants sorry to win. But also the Gaffer,
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X England captain and Crigidour England through and through. He all want to do everything possible
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to producing when Crigidour's for the future. So and in the same way Rob Key has got his job to do
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but he's got to pass on to the counties and groundsmen and ground staff exactly what
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they need and what they want. Otherwise people will say, well, why don't you tell us? Why
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why don't you talk to us about it? If you say it and then they don't do it, then you go, what?
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Yeah, I mean, I mean Rob's point about the domestic structure is that they tried it with,
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he was involved with the Strauss review, you know, they put forward exactly what they wanted
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from a high call for a moment. Give your suggestion and if they don't take it on board.
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Oh, he's done that and now he's saying, well, we put our suggestion in, you know,
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don't have any control over it. So it's not an area that he's prepared to wade into
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any more. I have some sympathy with that. That view, Bernard Julian passed away.
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I noticed overnight or the night before and we're talking about West Indies and their current
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struggles. And that's an echo from when West Indies were top dogs, Bernard left arm, swing
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baller or pressing it. He was like everyone that followed beefy. Everyone that followed beefy
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was going to be the next great all round and he was sort of after sober, wasn't he? And everyone
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was like the next sober, which I think is a bit of a burden to be honest. He carried it.
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More of a burden as well because his career ended. Hey, I think he went to pack at first,
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but then went on to the rebel tours and clearly coming from the Caribbean. Those who did go on
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the rebel tours were kind of ostracized really after that. So he had a difficult time after that.
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And I remember many years ago on a Caribbean tour going and meeting Richard Austin, who is one of
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those rebels who was on the streets of Kingston. So there's some sad tales. They're a very good
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book written by an Australian journalist called Ashley Gray, called Unforgiven all about the rebel
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tourists from the Caribbean. Chris Wokes, one of the nicest Sean Pollock, one of the nicest
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bloats to play the game. Me and Benedict do a nice 11, Sean Pollock's in that. Chris Wokes would
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have to be in that. I mean, just a top, top bloke. And quite, I mean, the scene of him walking
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down the stairs arm in sling to try and save a game or win a game for England is it just sums up,
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Chris Wokes would do anything for his team and also a series, Craig it a seriously talented
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Craig it up. Yeah. Again, the kind that we were talking about, Jadajan, the differential between
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batting and bowling. His differential in England would be very marked because his bowling average
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actually was better than Anderson and Broad in England with the Duke's ball. I think the average
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23 or thereabouts with the ball. But of course, it was into the forties with a cooker ball
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away from home. A legit age of interestingly enough, his bowling average is markedly different
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home in India and abroad. So Wokes, you know, as good as kind of anybody in the last few years
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in home conditions with the Duke's ball, more of a struggle for him away from home. So I'm not so sure
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even had he been fit. Are you played all five tests, didn't it? I don't know whether he would have
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gone on the Ashes tour, but clearly such was the severity of the injury. He wasn't considered
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for the Ashes tour in terms of his fitness. So he's decided, I mean, Rob Key, a Donnie's media conference
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and said, you know, because the Ashes kind of signals a new cycle and they were going to move on
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from Chris Wokes. So, you know, that was a pretty clear signal that at the end of his career would come
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up. Do you want the Ashes? Yeah. I see my honest, my honest lab ashamed got 100. He's in my runs
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160, yeah. What's your rotey top three, man? Well, I think I would play lab ashamed and I play
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him at three. I don't know about the openers. I mean, I guess Kojee got 60, didn't he? I think
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I guess Kojee will kind of be there. I don't know about, I don't know what they're going to do.
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Don't think Consta Scott and he runs Diddy in this state games. A really interesting
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few matches of state cricket ahead of because they do take a bit more notice, I think, of state
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form than perhaps our selectors do have of county form, but perhaps because the conditions are more
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replicable at the moment between state cricket and international cricket. And there are fewer
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fewer games and fewer players. And as you say, it's not as though in the way that nobody expected
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them to move away from docket and crawl. It's not as though the Ozes have settled on an opening
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partnership. So, I don't know. That's going to be interesting down there. I think I would
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pick Labashane and Brilliant Fielder experience tough cookie. And if he's in the runs and in form,
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I think yeah, I picked him. Yeah, I agree. England's Lions squad, we didn't touch on. Do you
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think, I mean, you, you, did you do one or two without calling when they back in the day?
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And I'm more than that. I mean, you, you asked me a few times. I'd have to do more than that.
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I was not waiting for the call from you. Nash, you're coming to South Africa. No,
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no, Nash, you're captain in Pakistan. So I think I did maybe four a-tools or something. And I
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should be a second team as in a B team or should it be, you know, a kind of eye on the future.
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These are the guys that in three or four years time are going to be the ones we're going to
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kind of concentrate on as the main guys leave the stage or should it be a combination of those.
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Because I mean, they could get an injury, couldn't they in Australia? And that obviously with
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the Lions shadowing the main team, they're going to, they're going to have to call up
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somebody from the Lions. So the fact that they've not gone simply or have made, you know,
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the top kind of run score resort, I know Tom Taylor or Jack Lee, the top wicket takers
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in the, in the championship, they've moved, they've moved away from that.
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I think in general, it should be your second best team. And in that, there's a caveat that they
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have to be people that you would pick as in, if you've moved away from someone, I think this
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is really important in selection. And this is what I do quite like about this England
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selection policy. But once they've made their decision, either to get someone in, they show
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faith in them, or we're moving away from someone, they move away from them. So don't then suddenly
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confuse the issue by, we've moved away from, simply, but he's got so many runs and he keeps getting
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run. Shall we just have him in us? If you've made a decision, if you don't think so, stick to that
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decision. But in general, it has to be your second best team. But you'd be wasting it if you
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didn't have some youngsters, because it's not just all policy, all selection, as Duncan used to
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say, is an investment. It's not just an investment for tomorrow next week. It's a long-term investment.
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What's my returns in four years time? And if you've got a tour of Australia and you don't use that
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investment to send some younger players to learn from not just playing in Australia, the knowledge of
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cricket in Australia. When I told him you add in chapel talking to a ball, or Richie Benno,
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or whoever, some of the greats of the game are knowledgeable on the game. You learn so much,
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the pitches, the wickets, the nets, the facilities, the weather. You know, you go to Australia. I know
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we got hammered out there at times, but you generally come back a better cricketer. So it'd be a
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missed opportunity if you don't take some younger players. What did you make of the squad? Well, that
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was the NASA, the same bingo there, the dividend, the election in the Duncan Fletcher dividend,
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like a money in that. Well, for those that they are hoping to get a dividend from in the future,
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James Rue, Juan Cello, A.C. Attrib to Bright Young players from Glamorgan, Sonny Baker, I'd
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a bit of a struggle in those white ball games that they clearly like. There's pace, Mitch Stanley,
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another one, and Eddie Jack. Those are a bit of a kind of players who you feel that they've got
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an eye on because they're very young and just coming through. So good luck to them.
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Can we be too stubborn at? I mean, you, you're Michael Holding are the two most stubborn
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bloats on the planet I've ever met. Can you just go back to my point backtracking now?
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Can someone prove you wrong? Can as anyone proved this England side wrong? I mean, they did go back.
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They this summer, they changed their policy a bit. They samcook and Liam Dawson, they went back to
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County Frick, you'd pick those two and then I've got, I've moved on again. Can you do have to have
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a little bit that someone proved you wrong? What I don't think you should ever do is shut the door
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on people completely because say player A is in the team and he doesn't do well and you leave him out.
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You know, the way to leave a player out, player A is to say, we don't think you're good enough in
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this area right now. We need you to improve in this area and if you do, you have a chance of
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getting back in the team. So you have to give people a chance to grow and improve. You know,
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if you're, everybody get very few people in the history of the game, they'll get left out of
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international cricket, maybe Don Bradman or something. But, you know, I played two test matches in 1989.
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Wasn't very good. Got left out. You know, at that point, 21 and a pretty good young player,
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it would have been devastating if somebody had said, that's it. We just don't think you're good
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enough. Good bye. We'll never see you again. So I went away, that went through him with the help
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of others got better and, you know, got a few runs and got back in and did okay. So you have to give
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players a chance to improve, develop and become better players, better people or whatever.
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And never, you know, just slam the door and say, that's it. Good bye. And I mean, obviously, like,
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you know, if you're 34, 35 and you've moved on as they had done with Chris Wokes, there comes a time
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when that happens. But I think for a young player, because nobody arrives at international cricket,
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the finished article or the finished product, particularly coming out of County cricket, you
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kind of get to the international stage. Most people find it a bit of a struggle. Not everybody
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like Joe Rue who just comes and looks fantastic from now, setting them plays 100 tests.
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Most people realize that they've got to get better in certain areas and you have to give people
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a chance to do that. I agree. I mean, you lost me at NASDABingo, to be honest. I just switched off
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a phone and was working out when it's all in your chicken. I was interested in just before we
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sign off, Danbury Cricket Club, which is your neck of the woods, isn't it? So Leferon, where I live,
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you live near Danbury, the posh bit of essence. And I notice that the Cricket Club very sadly has been,
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is it just a common like ground in the middle of Danbury with no, yeah, it's not like, you know,
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privately enclosed ground is a public space. I don't know the ownership of that space, but I go
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to the co-op, just opposite there to get me lunch and whatever. Waitrose, Nath. Co-op, big open space,
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it has like a play area where I've taken my kids in the past at one corner and at the far corner,
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it's got a, like a, a leisure centre. That might be pushing it a little bit. A gym and people go
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there to do pilates and all this sort of stuff. And that's been the issue. You park on that far side,
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and I think what happened was someone hit a cricket ball and it hits someone on that far-sided park,
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going to the gym or going to walk their dog or whatever, and then health and safety took over.
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I've never walked around it, you know, thinking, Cricket, I'm not safe here. The roads on either side
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are not that far away, to be honest. So I don't know what the legalities of it are, but it's a
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it's a very old cricket ground. It's been, cricket's been played for a very long time and not at a
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moment. Even before you were born, 1791, they feel a little cricket. Yeah. So that would be a very sad thing
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if cricket stops for good. With all these things, there must be it. And cricket's been played
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all around them, some very small grounds around the world with traffic and people walking past and
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walking and watching. There must be a solution to it surely. It can't be that difficult. I mean,
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now it won't be obviously now. They'll be playing football on it. So you could get it, walking your
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dog, someone, like one of your three kicks or someone goes skewing off and it's someone on the
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head or something. So I hope there's a sensible solution to it. So I'll keep an eye on it.
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Fingers crossed. A Danbury cricket club, where cricket has been placed is 1791. That's it this week
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for us. Where do you go? You must have a game tomorrow. I've got tomorrow, England, Bangladesh,
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watch out. Maru, Maru for actor, watch out tomorrow. She's bowling well, Tammy Beaumont, in
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swing. You heard it first on the on the pod, watch out for that. Your prediction, then a bit
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as skew of light. So we'll wait and stare that on those first two lies of yours. So I've then got
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visag flight to visag, which is flat, flatter than here. And then to Colombo for a week, I'm
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looking forward to Colombo. Hopefully the rain stays a bit wet. Yeah, but I enjoy Sri Lanka,
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because that's where, if you ask me where could an upset happen, I think it could happen in Sri
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Lanka. If you get on the slow turning pitch and at a patu, Samarwikrama has a day out or something
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and they're spinners, that's the one you have to be a little bit of rain, dog with fluids.
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Stern, if there's going to be upset, Sri Lanka could call one off in Colombo. Safe travels,
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