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Chino Moreno
In this episode of Broken Record, Chino Moreno, lead singer of Deftones, discusses the band's resurgence as new fans discover their 90s hits on social media. He shares insights on their latest al...
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Chino Moreno is a lead singer of Deftones, the Sacramento band experiencing resurgence
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as a new generation discovers their 90s hits on social media.
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This year, Deftones have been selling out arenas while putting the finishing touches on
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their latest album, Private Music.
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During the recording sessions, guitarists Stefan Carpenter's health took a turn when
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he was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes.
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Chino stepped in to handle more of the guitar parts, approaching the album with new found
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clarity after getting sober.
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On today's episode, Leo Rose talks with Chino about the band's early days living with
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their late bassist, Chi Chang.
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He reflects on the story of their around-the-fer album cover and shares his post-show ritual, which
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often includes winding down with rom-coms and his tour bus bunk.
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This is Broken Record, Real Musicians Real Conversations.
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This is an I Heart Podcast.
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I'm Jonathan Goldstein, and on the new season of Heavyweight, and so I pointed the gun at
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him and said this isn't a joke.
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A man who robbed a bank when he was 14 years old, and a centenarian rediscoveres a love
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lost 80 years ago.
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How can a 101-year-old woman fall in love again?
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Listen to Heavyweight wherever you get your podcasts.
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Here's Leo Rose with Chino Marino.
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I was just listening to Private Music, and I was curious, like, the album starts so
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hard, so fast.
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It's got like that sludgy riff right off the top.
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How important is that first three seconds when you're sequencing the album?
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It's pretty important.
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I mean, when we wrote that song, I kind of knew right away that one of that to be the
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first song on the record, because I think the, like you said, it's kind of this bombastic
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sludgy riff that...
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Yeah.
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And I loved Abe's drumming on the song.
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I think it's really creative where he does it in the verses and the staccato intros
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as well.
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So it's like, it kind of has a lot of elements that we're sort of known for.
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So it's familiar, I think, in the beginning for the first thing to introduce the record.
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But I also think it's powerful.
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And then the song itself sort of has this, like, just great introductory feel, I think,
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to, like, what's to come?
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Yeah.
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You know what's crazy is that we wrote the record in different sessions, like just getting
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together playing one we did in the desert, which was, we probably wrote like five or six
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songs there.
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Went to Shangri-La, did another five or six songs, wrote them there.
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Didn't record anything there, but recorded what we were doing, but it wasn't the actual,
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you know, recording we went actually after that retracted.
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So when we started tracking it, though, I already had a sequence in mind once we added
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the songs.
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So we actually tracked the album in the sequence of the record, which was kind of...
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Really, like, I really had this mindset of, like, creating an album, the kind of that
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started in one place, went somewhere and ended somewhere.
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I kind of liked that idea of doing that.
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Yeah.
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Have you guys ever done, like, a hidden track or anything like that, like any, like, special?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, we did.
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That was, like, real popular in the 90s, I think.
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Yes.
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On CDs.
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So we had one on our second record around the fur.
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And it was a pretty funny because it's like, it has to be a part of the last.
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It's like a song in the record.
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So the last time it was like, like, being like 30-something minutes longer, whatever, because
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we had like, well, there was like a 20-minute break of silence.
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It's pretty funny.
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We had...
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That was back when answering machines were still...
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People still had answer machines in their, in their apartments or whatever.
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So we were staying in this apartment in Seattle, recording, and Stefan, Abe, and myself,
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shared an apartment.
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So we had our, our answer machine and our...
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It was attached also to the inner comp, too.
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So when friends came over, they pressed the inner comp to call us, and then they'd leave
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a message from either downstairs in the inner comp to our answer machine or some
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of the call, whatever.
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But we had our greening on there.
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It was super funny.
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It was like, Stefan was taking a bong hit.
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And call us back.
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I mean, well, no, no, no.
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But we actually took that tape and we put that on there.
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So our little message thing was on as part of the hidden track.
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And then like a couple minutes later, a bonus song pops in.
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I didn't know where.
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So that's so cool.
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Yeah, I remember a Lannis Morissette had one of those.
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And it came in like 20 minutes after.
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So if like you left the CD on.
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Yeah, totally.
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Just like all of a sudden it started playing.
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You were like, whoa, who is that?
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What was that?
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Was that on the Jagged Little Pill column?
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Yeah.
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That was the great record.
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I mean, it's crazy because that was also Maverick Records, which was where we were at
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at the time.
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So our records came out pretty close to each other, our first record and her record.
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Yeah, we had a kind of a close thing with that record.
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Yeah.
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Okay, that's so cool.
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Yeah, that was an awesome era.
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So speaking of you guys living together, I know that I think like right after or maybe
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while you were still in high school, you lived with Chi, right?
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Yep, right out of my parents' house, I was still 17.
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I kind of just stopped going to school.
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I was a senior, quote unquote, senior.
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The normal high school I went to and ended up going to a continuation high school, which
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is like sort of just where you go and make up credits and whatever.
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They'll get a diploma about you like, you know, you just kind of textbook work.
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There's not really teachers in their teaching.
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You're just kind of like going through textbooks and whatever.
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But we started playing shows actually and we started taking little trips from Sacramento
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to like Oakland and San Francisco and just like the outskirts of town and playing shows.
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So we'd get back from playing shows like three in the morning and then like, and then
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I would just like end up saying over cheesehouse and then I'd wake up in the morning and be like,
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I'm not going to school today.
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Like I kind of already had my my made up that like, you know, not that I would be successful
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with the band, but like I just was like that was kind of like my priority.
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And my parents were supportive.
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I mean, they were bummed.
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I think that I like stopped going to school, but they were also a little preoccupied.
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My parents were actually going through divorce at that time too.
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So it was like, I kind of slipped through the cracks a little bit.
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We're like, normally my parents were pretty strict about stuff, but like they were kind
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of dealing with their own things.
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So like I kind of just like was able to do what I wanted for the most part.
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Wow.
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And they really like checking up on me like, are you doing this?
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How are you doing that?
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I do this or whatever.
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So in a way, it was kind of, I guess I got lucky in a way because I got just deep,
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dive deep into music as opposed to like trying to do school and that.
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Yeah.
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I was able to really like focus on music stuff, but it was weird.
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You know what I mean?
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It wasn't like, you know, I was still kind of, it was a bummer.
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You know what I mean?
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I was like one of the only kids at that point.
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I got a lot of friends whose parents were divorced like when you grow up, whatever.
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And I was always so proud like my parents are still married.
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But oh, and then right like, you know, figuring your high school like it was.
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It wasn't like something you saw coming.
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Not really.
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No.
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No.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Did you guys sound like deaf tones in the beginning?
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Like what when the band first started playing together, like what did you sound like?
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I think, yeah, some of the DNAs there.
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I mean, obviously we were trying to figure out like, we were trying to figure out how
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to play our own instruments.
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I was, I was emulating a lot of what I liked.
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So like, you know, some songs I would try to sound like more, see and sound like dancing
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and like those things don't match.
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But like, in a way, like I kind of came up with my own sound maybe because those things
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don't match.
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And I just like what I liked and I was trying to take, I was just taking influence from
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the things that I like enjoyed.
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Yeah.
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Also, like, I listened to a lot of rap music back then.
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So I used to like to try to rap as well.
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And to me, I didn't think it was that weird to like put like rhythmics singing over some
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of the stuff, whatever.
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My lyrics weren't really like, I guess rap oriented lyrics where I wasn't like, you know,
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talking about things that I didn't really do.
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But yeah, yeah.
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I think just the format of like the cadence and things like that, like that weren't
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inspiring to me.
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So I put like all those things together, screaming from like, I loved Pantera and the bad
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brains.
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And so like, just I guess all those little elements, whatever I was just kind of emulating,
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maybe each one at certain points, like a little bit more like where you can really tell,
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oh, he's trying to do this.
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And I think over the time I've been able to like, I guess find myself within all those
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things and kind of have my own voice, I guess.
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I hope.
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Yeah.
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When did you find your voice?
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Like, when do you feel like you were squarely standing in your own sound?
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I mean, it would probably be, I think definitely after our first record because our first record
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is still hard for me to listen to because I can hear like myself not still like not being
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confident and not really knowing what I was doing.
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I mean, I was so nervous on our first record that I didn't even write a lot of lyrics.
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Like, a lot of it's just like, freestyleing syllables and whatever.
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And then, so like, if you notice like, inside there's not lyrics in the record, there's
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some scribbled notes of me that I wrote whatever.
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So there's some words in there.
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But like, some of it's not because I was so scared to commit to like what I was going
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to say.
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Yeah.
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Just kind of like, used my voices and instrument more.
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Yeah.
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So that records harping this too because I can see exactly where I was, whatever, just kind
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of not confident, like sort of still figuring out.
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Whereas maybe our second record, I think, you know, touring a lot from our first record
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and just like, actually getting the opportunity to make a second record, which a lot of bands
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don't even get that chance, right?
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We got assigned to a pretty big label and yeah.
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And you know, we didn't sell anything close to like what a land is sold, right?
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So that who's our label made so like, I mean, honestly, that probably helped because I
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think our label was making so much money from a land is that like, they probably lost
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a lot of money on our first record, but allowed us to go and make a second record.
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Really, honestly, did you have to like show and prove at that point to the label?
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Like, was there anything that you had to in a way promise them that we're going to
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bring next time to make the next album do even better?
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I don't think that there was there early ever that discussion, but I think within ourselves,
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I think we we wanted to I know I wanted to.
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I wanted to show and prove like, wow, we can do so much better because even our first
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record was done.
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I knew that it wasn't as good as the band that we were becoming.
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So with the second record, I really think that we made a statement.
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I think it's probably still one of our strongest records to the state.
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And then after that, we made the white pony record, which was like a pretty big left turn
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to like where music was sort of at that point where like a lot of new metal music,
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what they were calling it at the time, which I guess they still call it that, but,
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but it was like kind of that was like kind of pop like on the rate all day long.
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And we steered like far left of that and made the white pony album.
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And the label wasn't actually really that stoked on it because of that.
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But they did support us a lot because they knew that it was still a good record.
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And honestly, that was probably one of the best decisions we ever made doing that
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because I think it helped with our longevity for sure.
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How hands on was Madonna with the label because it was her label, right?
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Yes. Yes.
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Was she involved with like the artist's sound?
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Would she sort of be in like an executive producer position?
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Did you have any conversations with her like creative conversations about what you were putting out?
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No, you know, no, not really.
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And I can only speak for us.
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Maybe she did with some other artists, but I mean, I remember the first time that we
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wouldn't be very first got signed.
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I went to the office.
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And I didn't even know she was there.
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I went to go sit in my an ours office, the guy who signed us, his name's Guy.
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And I was sitting talking to him and like staring at like, you know, face to face with him.
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The door is behind me and the door opens and he starts talking to her.
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I just hear a female voice and I look over and I look up and it's her and then she's like,
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oh, this one new artist blah, blah.
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And I was just freaking out because I was like a 10 year old in myself.
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It was just like, oh my God.
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And then she ended up coming to a few of our shows and like I remember one time we were backstage
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and we were about to go on stage and she was like looking me up and down.
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She's like, are you going to get ready?
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I looked down on my clothes and I was like, yeah, I'm ready.
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She's like, I put your gun to wear.
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And I think I just had a pair like take his in a t-shirt or something or whatever.
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And she was like, that's what you're going to wear.
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Like kind of like, and I was like, whoa, she's not coming here.
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And then she like helped me like pulled my pants up a little bit like,
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how do you think my belt and whatever?
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And it was just like, it's like surreal right now.
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But that's kind of things are like, you know, like, like a story like until today,
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that still like brings joy to me.
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Totally.
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So I was going to ask you about like back when we were talking about you living with
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Chi. Since you've known the guys for so long, I feel like you can tell a lot
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about a person by the way their bedroom is.
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Do you remember like growing up what people's bedrooms were like?
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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Like abs or Chi or.
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Yes.
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I mean, so I'll use abs example because this is great.
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I went to abs house for the first time.
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I think we were in seventh, maybe eighth grade.
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We were in junior high school.
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And I go to his house after school, it's skateboard over there.
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And I go into his room.
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He's got a little tiny room.
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I mean, it's, you know, pretty small, but the drum set takes up his whole room.
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And it was his dad's drum set.
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His dad passed away when he was a couple years before that, actually.
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And he was in a band.
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He inherited the drum set from him and he had.
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So his room was just the drum set.
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And then he had a little tiny like mattress on the like in the corner, like where he slept.
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I don't even know if it was a mattress.
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I want to say it was just like, like it's our sleeping bag with everybody's sacrifices,
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like comfort.
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So it was like his room was just like his drum set.
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And then back then as we had cassettes, so we had a whole wall of just like cassettes.
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And a lot of like dub cassettes because that's what we used to do back in the day.
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Like dub cassettes and then like do our own artwork on them.
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Whatever. So all wall of cassettes, you know, so just enamored by his cassettes.
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And it's just music.
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Like his music ruled his life.
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So like that was his little world, right?
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That was awesome.
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Now now, now, cheese.
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So we shared a bedroom when I moved in.
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It was a one bedroom apartment that we lived in.
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And he lived in there actually with his girlfriend at the time when I would go stay
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then out over there.
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And then him and his girlfriend broke up and it could have something to do with that.
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I was always asleep on the couch and the other room, whatever.
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And she was fine.
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Like, yeah.
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It's either him or me or kind of thing, whatever.
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But yeah, but she ended up moving out.
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And then so I moved in officially and then we both shared rooms.
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So we had two like twin mattresses on each side of the room.
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But our room was a fucking mess.
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I mean, our whole apartment was, but it was like college off.
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And it was actually on the college campus because he still went to school.
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It was a deal with his dad would pay half the rent as long as he was in school.
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Oh, nice.
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So his dad paid half the rent and then she and I split the other half with the rent.
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It was so the second rent was like nothing.
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It was like 150 bucks a month.
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And it was in an apartment on kind of off campus, a sex state, a university.
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And I worked at the dining commons there like other where they served the kids
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and the dorms, their lunches and dinners, whatever the dining hall.
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So you could take food?
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Yes.
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So we stood like, come on with food.
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Yeah.
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That's how we lived.
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But it was mostly just like beer.
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We just drank beer and like, she was, he's a couple years older than me.
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Then the rest of us actually.
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So so he was old enough to buy beer at that point.
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I was still young and he might not even been 21 yet.
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But there was a store of concrete street that we could buy beer from.
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So like, and it was cheap beer like the cheapest beer you can buy.
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So like our whole balcony was just full of beer cans.
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And it was like a total like, I don't know.
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I guess what I would expect a frat house to kind of be right.
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It was just like us too.
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And then all our friends were there all the time.
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The hangout spot.
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It was just the hangout spot.
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Yeah.
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But it was awesome.
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Yeah.
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So you must have been over high school.
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Like I don't know.
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You seem like you were beyond high school at that point.
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Like I know you're going to the continuation school.
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But mentally it seems like you were already like graduated.
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Yeah.
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So yeah, I just stopped going to school.
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I stopped even going to the continuation school.
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And it was probably almost towards the end of the school year.
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Anyways.
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So I was kind of bummed that I didn't graduate.
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My parents were bummed that I didn't graduate.
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But other than that, I was just like, yeah, I was already like, we started playing shows.
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And, you know, we started to guard small following them, even around Sacramento at the time.
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And we practiced almost every day.
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And we just had fun.
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We were wrapped by the river.
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So we swam like all summer.
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We just had to go to the beach and like, yeah, it was like the time of our lives really like making music.
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Yeah.
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And who came, did Abe come up with the name, DevTones?
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Stefan did.
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Oh, Stefan did.
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Okay.
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And we were going to play one of our first shows.
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And we had to buy tickets to it was like one of the things paid a play kind of thing,
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but where we buy all the tickets and then we can we bought the tickets for a dollar a piece from the promoter.
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And then we can sell them for $3.
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So we can make a code box off each ticket.
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But we didn't end up doing that.
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We ended up just giving away to our friends at school and whatever.
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So we can have a packed first show.
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And we were like, well, we need a band name for going to play a show.
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So Stefan said, oh, we're going to be called DevTones.
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And I was like, okay.
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So then Abe wrote it on the ticket, but he didn't even know how to spell it.
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So we spelled it like me, a F tone, whatever, right?
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Oh, like, okay.
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While it's like, it's a way and he's like, oh, that's not how you spell it.
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He's all like, death, like, you know, like the rap, like, yeah, like,
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Yes.
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So it's like, oh, okay.
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So like, yeah, I wasn't anything that was like, well thought out or other than just, you know,
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Stefan said that's an area where our band was like, okay, it's a great name.
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I mean, do you like it now?
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I don't know.
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I mean, it's worth, I guess.
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It's like you're probably can't even think of it like, yeah, it's silly.
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I mean, most band names are silly.
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There's a lot of silly band names, but you kind of like, the name takes on
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its own thing after a while, right?
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The music is kind of like whatever.
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And then you don't really think so much about the name itself.
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We'll be back with more from Chino Moreno after the break.
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I'm Jonathan Goldstein.
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And on the new season of Heavyweight.
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And so I pointed the gun at him and said, this isn't a joke.
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A man who robbed a bank when he was 14 years old.
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And a centenarian rediscoveres a love lost 80 years ago.
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How can a 101 year old woman fall in love again?
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Listen to Heavyweight wherever you get your podcasts.
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Who in the band is in charge of like the aesthetics?
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Like is there somebody who sort of keeps an eye on that?
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Or is it a collective thing like as far as the final album covers?
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The actual font of the band name has always been super cool.
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Is there one of you who is kind of like that guy?
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I'm pretty much the one that is like in the trenches with all that stuff.
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But everybody's, he's it, you know, I always, I never do anything with that.
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Everybody at least like, hey, what do you guys think about this?
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And then there are everybody's pretty easy going and they trust me, which is rad.
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But it's myself.
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And then there's a guy at Warner Brothers who has been working with us since the
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white pony album by the name of Frank Maddox.
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So him and I like get together in brainstorm and like he's really good with graphic art
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and photography.
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And so yeah, we just come up with random stuff.
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And then we just sort of start like brainstorming and do you enjoy that part of it?
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I do. I really do.
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From everything from our T-shirt designs to our, like our content.
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So when we play our live shows now we have like these huge LED screens behind us,
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whatever. So there's like different content that goes on between during the songs.
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And then like some of its iMac, which is basically like the live feed of us on stage
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and the crowd. But we throw filters on that kind of stuff, whatever.
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And just the color palettes, everything.
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Like I'm just like really, that kind of stuff is fun for me to do.
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Yeah, I've seen like still shots of it.
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And there's like pink like a woman's face.
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Yeah.
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And I saw people on Reddit trying to figure out where those images come from.
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Yeah, a lot of stuff.
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I research and find like archive.org is one one site that I've been going on for years,
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years and it's just like all this like old archival footage of stuff, whatever.
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Some old movies like I like to find like old like rare, you know, stuff.
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And yeah, imagery and like sonics, like those two things to me, like I love marrying those
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things together, whether it's like, I mean when I listen to music a lot of times,
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I'll see images and vice versa.
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Like look at the image sometimes and I'll kind of hear music.
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So really marrying those two things is always fun.
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Wow.
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And you've done some scoring recently, right?
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Some movie scoring or show scoring?
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I've done some of it.
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Some did like this, who the thing wants.
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Yeah, but it's something that I want to do more of.
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I haven't done anything recently, but I love really into soundscapes and that.
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That seems like something that you'd be really, really good at.
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It still takes, I mean, you have to know what you're doing.
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It's hard.
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Like coming up with the ideas to me, that's the easy part, but like actually doing it,
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I like, I definitely help with that kind of the technical side of things.
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And then again, it's like musically, I'm not trained, professional.
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I don't, I don't, I don't understand some.
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I'm trying to learn more, but that's kind of been my goal lately, actually, as, especially
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as I get older, is just working on piano, playing piano, taking lessons, playing guitar,
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learning chords, tunings, everything, just that's kind of where I find fun now.
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Yeah.
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Learning stuff like that.
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Yeah.
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I heard Stefan saying that, I guess while making private music, he, he has type two diabetes
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and he started talking about it, but because of the illness, you had to do more of the guitar
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parts.
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Yeah.
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I mean, honestly, it's crazy because I didn't, I knew something, we all knew that something
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was going on with him at the time, whatever.
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He was like very lethargic, like during the writing sessions where he, he was there, he
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was present, but he was just like, he just seemed run down.
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And like, we'd start working on stuff and he'd kind of come in and he'd like, he just
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seemed like very slow.
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And it was hard sometimes because I would take it as like, like we got in a couple of arguments
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a couple of times where I would like, dude, what's wrong with you?
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Do you like not want to be here?
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Like I would just ask him.
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And then you get mad at me.
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You're like, what are you talking about?
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And I'd be like, how could you ask me if I wanted to be here?
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I'm here.
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And I'm like, yeah, I know you're here, but like you don't seem interested in what's going
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on.
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And he's like, and you even get mad at me for asking that, but everybody else was thinking
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it, but no one else was asking it.
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So then you get mad at me for like confronting him about it.
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But we soon realized that man, maybe something's going on with this health and then we were
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playing Coachella.
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Maybe a few months after that, after that, one of those sessions.
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And we got a stage and he just like came up to all of us and he was like, you guys, I'm
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really sorry about that.
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Like I played so bad.
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And honestly, I didn't really realize it.
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I noticed that he was a little sloppy here than usual, but he was like, yo, he's like,
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I was like having a heart standing up.
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He's like in my hand wasn't like doing what wasn't like responding to like playing these
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songs.
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And so I was like, yo, I was like, you need to go figure out what's going on with you.
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And he's been one of those people who have always tried to self diagnose himself like
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our golf YouTube and like, oh, well, this is what's wrong with me.
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I'm like, dude, no, you need to go to the doctor and no one really likes to go to the doctor.
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I get it, right?
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It's like, no, sometimes it's like scary, right?
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Yeah, especially be like something's wrong with you.
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You don't want to hear zero.
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I mean, but you you got to know, right?
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So, um, so eventually he faced up and he went and then like, and then I just like you
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just watched his whole like he just changes like once he knew what was wrong with him,
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then he was like, okay.
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And then he started to figure out the tools of it to deal with it.
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And now he's like, he's an obsessive person where it's like anything he gets into whether
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it's like anything just like he gets into he gets obsessed with it.
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So like, how is his health that he's obsessed with?
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So like we share a bus together and he every night he's just like he's like has his like
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his sugar monitor like thing on.
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He's just like, look, numbers.
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And he's like, oh, look at my thing is spike here and it's blah, blah.
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And I know so if I eat this, if I, you know, and this whatever.
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So he's just like, he's excited about it.
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And so like I just engage with him about it.
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And it's like, I'm just seeing him like his like life come back into him like physically
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and like mentally like he's just like awakening because he, you know, it's a, it's a real
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positive thing that I'm happy with.
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That's awesome.
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Back to what you're saying about as far as the writing stuff.
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So like during that time, I, uh, I didn't realize that I was doing that.
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It was more or less like, okay, well, we're here and we're just going to keep busy.
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So if he wasn't engaging, I would just be like, okay, here's an idea.
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Come on, let's go boom, boom, boom.
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And then we just start working on stuff.
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But before you knew it, we had like almost the almost worth of material that were a
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lot of it.
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He didn't spearhead because of what he was going through.
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Whatever.
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So, um, so in hindsight, yes, there was a lot more.
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I think where I picked up the slack on whatever, but, um, but I enjoy doing it too.
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I mean, I love writing music and I love playing with Abe and, and, and the other guy.
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So, uh, and it wasn't like a thing where it wasn't mad about it.
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And he wasn't.
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Now, I mean, I'll see.
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It took him a while because he was, I think before he knew what was going on at the
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whatever, he was like, and he's always kind of maybe a bit away where he's never really
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told me that, but it was weird when we did the Zainlow interview.
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He in the middle of the interview, he's like, I just want to say that, you know, she
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know, like really stepped up and he really like came through and blah, blah.
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And he's like, and that was the first time he ever like complimented me or like
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acknowledged that, like, you know, all the hard work that I put into it to the writing
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and stuff like that, whatever.
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So, like, I kind of got like a little, you know, teared up a little bit.
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I mean, funny, the camera pan away from me, because you can't see me.
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But I kind of, they're with my mouth open just like, wow, like thank you for acknowledging
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that.
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Oh, that's so sweet.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I was just, it was like, you know, sentimental moment between friends.
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Yeah.
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That was a cool interview.
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I like that.
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It was just cool seeing you all together.
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When you're in the studio, are you sort of, I don't know if you saw the Beatles get back
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documentary?
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Oh, yeah.
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Great.
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It was long, but it was like worth watching, especially if you're a musician, like watching
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how they work and they're dynamic between those guys.
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It was like, it turned them into real people for me.
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Like, I didn't think of them as real people.
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It's like, I understood their personalities and how they worked together.
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And I had no idea like seeing Paul's role, how he stepped up and he totally was like
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the task master and he's like the band leader.
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It's so wrecked when you'd be in there.
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Like, like George and they're just like showing his riffs and stuff too.
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And you're like, whoa, like, I don't know.
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I just love watching it because it's pretty funny because like most bands are the same.
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Like we all, like there's so many cliches like we all do the same shit and like relationship
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wise and like the kind of fight for, you know, this like underlying fight for like, you
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know, who's kind of staring the ship sometimes, right?
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Yes.
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And there's like with the Beatles, especially, there's like, there's a lot of great songwriting
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amongst all of them individually, right?
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So it's like how they made that work and how like you got to pick your battles and then
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you have to sometimes like not say what you're thinking and then sometimes also like tip
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toe around certain things because you know that my Trigger somebody or this or that
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whatever, try to get your ideas heard, but like not take, you know, not dictate what
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everybody should be doing.
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Let people come up with their own parts and it's a part of being in a band.
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It's like, you know, it's like, yeah, it's definitely like psychological like work, you
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know what I mean?
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But I was thinking about that like picturing you now in the sessions for this new album.
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Like, are you sort of like the Paul McCartney of the group?
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Ah, I don't know about that.
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Like as far as you're like getting everybody in order like organizing the chaos.
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Yeah, I guess so.
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I mean, we have a producer there that, especially with this record, Nick Ruskell and Nick
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who did this record.
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He also did a couple of other records, but one of the main reasons why, aside from being
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a great producer, but one of the main reasons for hiring him for this record specifically
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was for him to take on that role, you know, kind of take some of that off my plate
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because, you know, as much as the band does trust me on certain things, whatever, I still
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don't want to be the person that's always kind of dictating like what we're going, what
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we're doing.
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Okay, we're working on this song now or whatever.
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And a lot of times they just, like when we were at Sanctuary, like, okay, what song are
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we playing?
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I'm like, I don't know.
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What's on you?
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Like, like, I don't, don't ask me all their time, right?
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I don't want to, and I don't get mad about it.
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But it's like, but it is very helpful to have someone else there in the room that sort
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of can just like be the sort of ringleader, right?
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And I can just work on my part.
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But yeah, I mean, I, I think especially to like, it felt like three years of sobriety and
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just like a very clear minded now and focused.
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So like, it feels natural for me sometimes to like make an order of things and like kind
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of keep track of what's going on, whatever.
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Like, my memory is like really crisp right now, you know what I mean?
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Sharp.
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And so I'm able to remember things really well.
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And like if I'm working with AIM on a drum part, whatever, like, I can like literally
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like three minutes ago, you played this whatever I want, he'd be like, woo, and I'll remember,
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you know, things like, or maybe, you know, five years ago, I would have just not remembered.
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So it's cool to use those things, right?
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Especially when we're working in work mode.
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Yeah, totally.
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And it keeps you, it keeps you sharp.
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I mean, that kind of stuff is just important for overall health for brain health as we get
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older.
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Totally.
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You know, now that you're sober, you strike me as someone who's sort of romantic and
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dreamy and emotional.
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And I don't know if I'm just saying that because of the type of music I know that you
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are into as a kid, but that's actually a lot of it.
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I mean, honestly, I mean, I'm just like a sucker for like all the stuff that I,
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I loved when I was a teenager.
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Yeah.
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And I still like look back to that time, my life has been like, I can smell what, you know,
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what the air was like and what like, I'm just like really in tune with that time, my
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life.
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And I reflect upon that time of my life a lot.
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And you know, what's when I fell in love with music.
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That's when I love, that's probably one of the first times I had a crush or this or
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that, whatever.
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All those things are like really like milestones of like the human experience.
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So like, I always draw from that.
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Would it help you with the substances to like get deeper into those feelings or can
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you still go there now being sober?
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Well, you know what I thought I was like a big lie.
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I think I kind of fooled myself into believing that it was, right?
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But yeah, but just create it being creative in general.
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Like you soon figure out that like, yeah, I didn't need all that.
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I mean, not that I didn't make good music like, you know, being altered here and there.
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But um, and a lot of great music has been made that way or with with being influenced
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by my no drink substance, whatever.
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But the fact that, you know, you go through your whole life because I was pretty much
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in high school.
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I've been, you know, like I was telling you earlier, just drinking beers and whatever.
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I never made music, you know, without that.
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So it was scary at first, right?
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Just think that can I do this?
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Is it possible?
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And then once you do it, you're like, oh, of course it is.
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And that's good.
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All the clarity, like I was talking about earlier comes along.
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And then it's like, oh, well, I'm even like, I can do this and I can do this.
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And you just start to get, it's like everything's more in focus.
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And then you could make sense of things a lot easier.
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And but yeah, I mean, I still get lost though, too.
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I got, I get, I get lost in a good melody and a good, you know, story.
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I mean, I watch romcoms.
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That's one thing I do.
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It's still like on the bus every night when I go, whatever.
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I just like like romantic stories, too.
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What's the last romcom you've seen?
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That's really good.
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I mean, I like dumb movies, too.
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I like like proposal stuff like that.
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Like I love some JLo movies.
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I love.
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Yeah.
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And half the way movies.
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I'll watch all this like, I don't know.
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Yeah.
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I don't know why I just like like those movies that kind of like turn off part of my brain.
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I guess whatever.
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And just like, I don't know.
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Yeah.
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Oh, I want to ask you because I know like as when you were a kid growing up, it seems like
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with a band, you all of a sudden just made the jump and became a singer.
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Is it?
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Did you sing it all as a kid like were you in choir?
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Were you like singing around the house?
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Like was it unexpected?
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Like were your parents surprised at all of a sudden you were a singer in a band?
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I think so.
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Yeah, especially because I was shy too.
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Like pretty shy when I was young.
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So like, I would sing along to records, but just to myself, right?
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And not in front of people.
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So it was, it was kind of out of nowhere.
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And really I wanted to, I wanted to play the drums.
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To me, that seemed like the funnest thing ever, just like bang on these drums.
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I really loved rhythm.
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And I still do.
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But yeah, I met Abe when I was in junior high school and he was already a like a brilliant
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drummer like, you know, at 12 years old, I don't know what you were.
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So, um, so I needed to find something to do if I wanted to be in the band with everybody.
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So yeah, Stefan actually, he's the one who's like, no, you're going to be the singer.
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And I was like, okay.
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And he said, he actually said that he's like, I heard you, I heard you sing along with,
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uh, Dan's a record or something, whatever before he's saying, you could sing.
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And I was like, like, amp, like, yeah, I was like, okay.
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So it was that kind of cool that like, you know, he made me believe that I could sing.
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And I really couldn't.
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I mean, it was really like trial by error, a lot of it, you know, and it's kind of still
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is. I mean, I still don't really know what I'm doing.
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I just kind of, I don't know, I guess just figured out as I'm going still to this day.
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Have you ever taken any lessons like vocal lessons or anything like that?
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I did try at one point.
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And it was, it was, uh, it was just super awkward.
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I probably should have stuck with it, but I, but it was one of those things where,
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like, I didn't like the, and maybe it was the teacher because it's like, you know,
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just probably like therapy.
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It's like, you know, you, you have one bad experience and then you can't say that it's all bad.
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You know, maybe it was just the, the actual thing, but it was like, it just felt really awkward to me.
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I was like, it's like they were trying to teach me how to sing a certain way that just didn't
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fit like natural to me.
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Yeah.
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And I've always sort of just, just responded like sonically to what the music is kind of,
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you know, dishing out at me.
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And this is what I'm, where I'm responding with this sound.
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So like I was thinking too hard about it.
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I'd be like, well, this doesn't even, it's not even fun.
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It doesn't, I don't feel like I'm, I'm naturally wanting to do.
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So that was my excuse for not going back, whatever.
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But I'm sure our techniques that I should probably not, not too old to learn.
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I mean, I, I did take, from that I did take a lot of these, like,
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kind of warm up exercises and things like that that are important that I still use.
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What do you do to protect your voice?
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I know at one point you had like some serious vocal issues just from screaming.
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Yeah.
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On stage like, well, to be transparent, I think it was some screaming, but a lot of just like
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living wild to like, you know, drugs and alcohol and, and whatever and like not sleeping.
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And, you know, and so I think that I just liked whatever.
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But I've noticed like the biggest thing for me is like proper sleep.
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Yeah.
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Lots of fluids.
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I drink a lot of water tea.
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And there's really nothing I can do as far as like because I do scream and I do
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sting and I do it straight for, you know, an hour and a half, two hours, you know, a
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night and physically like you, you have to rest.
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So it's like, that's the main thing.
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It's like after the show, I usually quiet.
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I usually go on the bus and I don't talk much.
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Yeah.
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And I'm really like, I really love getting good.
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I sleep.
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And now that I don't drink, like I sleep really well.
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And so yeah, waking up and feeling invigorated and then kind of just like, you know, do a little
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little warm up.
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I warm up in the shower.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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What do you do to sort of like get yourself in the head space and just like physically get
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ready to be on stage and just to give all that energy?
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Yeah.
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So music is always something that's like, like, gears me up.
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So I listen to music and then I also make playlist every day, which is really fun.
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And so there's like a 35 minute time where they change over from the band before us to
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when we go on.
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So so I make a 35 minute playlist that plays in my dressing room, but it also plays in
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the in the venue and the so the crowd here is what I'm hearing backstage.
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Oh, that's cool.
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It's kind of neat because I kind of feel like it maybe puts us all in the same sort of
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frame of mind before like the show show.
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Totally.
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And it changes.
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It's always like a pretty wild mix of stuff, whatever.
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But they tell me like three, two, one play.
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I'll play it in my dressing room and it'll be sing be playing in the in the venue.
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And then I get in the shower right then the shower sort of just like regenerates me.
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I think a little bit the steam out with my voice.
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Yeah.
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And then I get dressed brush my teeth and then maybe I'll do some push ups or whatever.
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I have a little rolling a foam roller.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Stretch on that.
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Nice.
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Yeah.
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I just kind of made some jumping jacks and just kind of like hype myself up.
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That's pretty much it.
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And then what do you do when you get off stage like how do you come down?
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Same thing.
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Shower right away.
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I think the shower and bigger it's before the show.
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Then obviously when I got stage, I'm soaking wet usually.
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So just getting the shower and then you know, put on dry clothes and usually they bring
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me food in because I don't eat usually like on a four to five hours before we go on stage.
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Because they're weird.
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But I'm never hungry when I get off stage too.
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So yeah, I'm eating food in.
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I'm just like just take it to the bus.
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I'll eat it later.
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Sometimes I do.
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Sometimes I don't.
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But um, but yeah, I usually call home and check in and then I've been going to pretty much
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straight to the bus.
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I'm pretty born.
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Yeah.
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And I don't like it.
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It's not as crazy as this.
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At least it was at one time, right?
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Yeah.
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I don't drink anymore.
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So it's like, you know, I don't have the need to like go out and socialize too much.
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Yes.
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Are you like people out at that point?
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Like do you want to be by yourself?
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Kind of.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I really do enjoy like the silence of just like, you know, being on the bus and
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um, and it's just on the bus now just myself, Stefan and then our assistant and our
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photographer.
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So it's just four of us on there.
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So it's really quiet.
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Nice.
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Yeah.
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Watch movies, play video games, kind of just really, really relax.
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When you call home and you talk to family, like if you talk to your wife or whatever,
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like do you tell her about the show or do you just talk about regular stuff?
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Yeah.
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I mean, she always asked me, how was your show and like my, it's like, you know, when
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somebody asked, how are you always say, oh, fine.
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You know, they're like, they're stuff going on.
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I always just say, oh, it was fine.
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Yeah.
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I won't get into too many details of it.
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The shows have been great.
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But um, but you know, sometimes they'll be a little like an audio thing or something
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although, hey, why are like last night we were playing a show and there's a few songs
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that I played a ton on that I used the RF mic on and it wasn't turned on.
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So like the first verse, something like singing into it.
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I'm like, oh, there's nothing coming out of this.
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So that, you know, tech runs on stage and he goes and he like turns the mic on.
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Okay, there you go.
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It wasn't turned on.
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But um, so like, it's like, come on, dude, 101.
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Yeah.
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Turn it on.
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But you know, it's one of the things where like I think years and years ago,
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I probably would have like lost it, you know, where, yeah, I think patients
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is like a little better these days where I'm just like, okay, it should happen.
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And yeah.
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And kind of just laugh it off and, you know, I think people understand.
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I think, I think probably back in the day, I would have like maybe felt embarrassed
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or like just mad exactly like that's 101.
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What the hell?
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Like I got it.
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Whatever, but it's like it's a mistake.
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And yeah, it was like the first half of the verse was not there.
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But yeah, and it's probably like so loud in there anyway.
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Like maybe people don't really notice, you know, I think they realized.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah, I think they definitely realized that.
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That's part of the live experience though.
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It's nice to see like, you know, bloopers and stuff like that.
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You know, you know, you just play back.
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How about that?
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When that's break when we back with Leah Rose's conversation with Gina Moreno.
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I'm Jonathan Goldstein and on the new season of Heavyweight.
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And so I pointed the gun at him and said, this isn't a joke.
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A man who robbed a bank when he was 14 years old.
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And a centenarian rediscoveres a love lost 80 years ago.
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How can a 101 year old woman fall in love again?
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Listen to Heavyweight wherever you get your podcasts.
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Going back to the, the deft tones album covers, what do you hear?
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Would you say are your top five favorite album covers from deft tones?
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From deft tones.
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I like the Koi no Yokoan cover, which is a photo taken by the artist.
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Futura.
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Oh wow.
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Yeah, it was like he, we talked to him about designing a album cover for us.
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And then we did a couple different things, but ended up just gravitating towards this,
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this photo of his, which was like he took it in this hotel somewhere in China or something.
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But the picture itself, like you can't really tell, it almost looks like outer space.
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It's just like, it's really like you back there at it, whatever and kind of figure out what it,
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but it's the actual place.
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And it's like, I think it's a view through this glass through towards the elevator or something,
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but I just, it looks kind of otherworldly and it's just like, it's pretty.
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And I like that cover a lot.
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What else?
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What other album cover do I like?
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What about around the fur?
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And honestly, like now I can appreciate it, whatever, but like, you know, and it's so weird that like,
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even like as far as like our merchandise goes like that t-shirt with that album cover on it,
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like it's like one of the biggest sellers, like so many, but it's such a random photo and makes no sense at all.
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It was honestly just like we were the, our photographer, the guy who was doing them all our photos for that,
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that record, this guy named Rick Cossick.
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And he was a from this magazine, big brother from, it was a skate magazine.
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And he ended up going on to do like Jack Asimov, stuff, whatever.
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So he's like, and all the Jack Asimov, but he's like the videographer of photographer.
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And he was a good friend of ours.
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And he came to Seattle when we were recording that record.
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And he took all the, like a bunch of photos of us and, and then just photos of us hanging out,
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like outside of the studio.
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So without record, we were like all like 22 maybe.
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We were still pretty young.
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And like when I look back at that record, it was like, I don't remember hardly any of actually like recording the record.
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I remember everything outside of it.
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Like just like we were just like, wow, like out every night, party and drawing around,
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listen to the, the ruffs from the day.
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And like that album cover was like after the, we had like just Jacuzzi at our apartment,
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the same one that were me and Haven and stuff.
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But we have the the answer machine thing.
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There was a hot tub downstairs, whatever.
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So every night we'd like, you know, after at the end of the night, after all our bar
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happened, we'd go with everybody we'd meet from the bar.
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Let's go back to our place.
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We're going to go to the hot tub.
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And that photo was just like from a random night there, whatever.
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And it was like, it got mixed in with all the other photos from the thing.
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So when they came and spreading all the photos off for the album cover, that picture was there.
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And like it was literally just like everybody pointed at that one.
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Like it's such a cool photo.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's very 90s, too.
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It's like so 90s.
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So 90s.
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So like really represents that time.
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It's kind of funny.
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Do you know who that girl is?
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I mean, kind of, she was, she was a friend who we befriended while we were there in Seattle.
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And I did see a thing the other day.
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It was cool that she was a, they showed like, you know, then and also it was her.
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Like now she's probably our age now to like, you know, maybe late 40s, early 50s.
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And she's holding up the album cover and she's like smiling.
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Whatever this is me, you know, to be whatever she was young as well.
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But who knew right?
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It's like that.
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Like even when she was asked, Hey, we want to use this for the album cover.
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But then thinking that like 30s, something years later, whatever, whatever it is that like that would be such an iconic.
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Yeah.
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Photo with like t-shirts and all these like teenagers now wearing that picture on their t-shirt.
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It is very 90s.
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That's such a good call.
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Like it's kind of like has like that kids like the movie kids, that aesthetic or even like pre-American apparel.
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And it has like like the fisheye kind of lens effect.
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Yeah.
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Whatever.
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So it's like, you know, it's very like kind of like beastie boys.
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He kind of like sort of like 90s kind of like yeah, that's where.
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Do you ever think back on those times like the debaturist times are just like, oh my god.
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I can't believe I survived that.
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Oh, I had a lot of good time.
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I mean, we had fun.
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I mean, we were kids.
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We were probably doing what we should have been doing, right?
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I mean, for the most part, we were like an arach band like, you know, touring the world, like going places and doing different things.
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Like I was out like walking the streets in Paris or whatever, you three o'clock in the morning going into, you know, different bars and meeting random people and doing what I was like.
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Yeah.
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I mean, like, you know, let's have fun.
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And it was my youth and whatever.
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But, you know, at some point, yeah, it's like, I realized that I'm not once people like it just like just like have a little bit of fun and then just like, you know, go to sleep.
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Like I just like, I'm having fun.
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Let's keep going.
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And that's I think what like the definition of like someone who's in alcohol, right?
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So I had to learn that.
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I don't denounce like, hey, I think A is great for people who especially works for I don't do it.
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But I don't live under the retensive that like, you know, I'll never have a drinking either.
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I think that's kind of helped me stay sober too is because like, I don't feel like, oh my god, I'm never going to drink in like, I honestly like want to be in my seventies sitting on my porch, you know, as an older man drinking a beer, petting my dog or whatever.
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Like I can see for see that at some point in my future.
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But I just think like, like right now where I'm at, I feel good.
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I'm on tour.
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I'm out here like I like doing this sober.
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I like this part of life and doing.
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But so I don't look at it as like, and I'll be all thing and, you know, whatever this is not whatever.
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But I just know it works now and I feel good.
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So I'm just going to keep doing it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That makes sense.
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Living through what you've lived through experience, what you've experienced as a father, were you like extra protective because you know it's out there or were you sort of, like let your kids experience things the way that you experience things.
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I mean, you know, luckily that my kids that tested me that bad.
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I mean, I have good kids.
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I'm so lucky for that, especially my two older sons who, you know, they like, you know, and everyone, if you talk about like the parts that I was probably that I'm probably ashamed about now is whatever is like, you know, when my kids were coming a
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age like when I used to live in Sacramento, I used to have like a, I had a bar miles out of Tiki bar downstairs, which was awesome.
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I loved it.
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Yeah.
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But it was like, you know, every night, like my friends would be there playing records, you know, sitting at the bar just drinking whatever and my kids would be upstairs, you know, and I would like, you know, what do you guys want for dinner?
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Oh, we want Chinese food.
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OK, order them Chinese food.
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They want a new video game just buy a new video game, whatever.
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And they just kind of like, you know, spend a lot of hours like on their own, just like, you know, doing the same thing as I like
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upstairs hanging out with their friends playing video games, eating, you know, whatever they wanted and whatever.
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And now in retrospect, it's been like, man, it's like, and I was busy with my friends downstairs, you know, still like living like I was on tour kind of thing.
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So now in retrospect, I can't get those times back with my kids when they were at a certain age where I wish I would have spent more time with them, right?
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But you were young though, weren't when you.
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I was 20 years old when my son was person was more so I was pretty young myself.
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Yeah.
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But even spite of that, like, I'm so lucky that my kids like have grown up and have been very responsible and are like,
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upstanding citizens and, you know, they work and they hustle still and they don't expect like, you know, just they're good.
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They're good, they're good hard at kid.
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And yeah, my daughter is super smart.
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She's like, she, she's in college and she, she's in college.
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Yeah, she's a junior in college.
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She's going to be 21 next month too.
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So like, oh, now they're gone.
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And you know, XZ was like, oh, you're an empty nest.
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I'm like, neckdice dog dogs.
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Like, I can't just do whatever I want, whatever I want.
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Like the dogs are like a lot.
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How many dogs you have?
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So I have two yellow pugs and their rescues and they're, they're, they're awesome.
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But yeah, they're like a lot of work in there.
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But I love it.
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Yeah, maybe deep down I don't want to be an empty nest.
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I think that I had something to be responsible for like all the time.
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It's like something that I need.
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Yeah.
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Have you guys started working on the next album yet?
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Oh, I don't know.
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No, I don't really.
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I feel I mean, the record just came out like three weeks ago, two weeks ago.
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Yeah.
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Well, sometimes there's like stuff left over and don't be due though.
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We do have some leftover and my idea would be maybe if there's like a soundtrack
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opportunity or something like that, I think it'd be fun to go back and finish those
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things up if for a specific thing or something like that.
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But it's but as far as I'm going in to make like a complete new record, I mean,
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that's like a at the long process.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I'm going to enjoy like, yeah, just like not doing music and playing.
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I started playing video games again, which is kind of, yeah, I didn't allow myself to play
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video games while I was working on music because I just feel like if I have time to do this,
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I should definitely have time to do a job is.
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So what games do you play?
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Right now, I'm just I'm playing these Star Wars like a third of this platform game,
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Fall in Order.
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I think it's about for a while.
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There's a new one now that I, but I want to play the beat the first one.
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So it's just kind of like an adventure game.
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You go in there's like puzzles and stuff.
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You've got to figure out which is kind of cool because I feel like I'm still using my
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brain and figuring it out.
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Yeah.
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But at the same time, it's like, I'm just like it'd be a little kidding.
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And just like, it's not music as much as I love doing music.
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Sometimes it's like, it's kind of healthy.
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I think to like do something that's not music.
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I was watching an old interview with you.
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I think it was from 98 and it was from some like Dutch TV show.
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Anyway, you were in a pool hall and you were talking about the thing that was most important
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to you was that the band had longevity.
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And you were like, you didn't like care about the sound or the genre that you're
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placed in.
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The only thing that was important was longevity.
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And I was thinking I'm like, okay, so you achieved it.
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Like here you are.
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How many years later it's 2025 and you guys are bigger than ever.
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Does that feel like a miracle in your mind?
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Or does it feel like it was written like no wonder?
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It definitely feels, I don't know, mirror.
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It just it's crazy to think about.
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It really is.
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I mean, it all happened so gradual though.
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I mean, obviously a lot more happened over the last few years, kind of without our doing,
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you know, but like our career itself, like we were never like one day just kind of going.
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And the next day we were the biggest band in the world.
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We've always been gradually growing as a band.
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Yes, we've had some like lows in our career for sure.
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But to look in retrospect now for sure, it's like, whoa, like, you know,
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last night we're playing a sold out arena.
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And I'm looking out there and everybody's holding up their camera lights.
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Are they their phone lights?
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Whatever.
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And I'm just like mesmerized by how many because you really get to know
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is when they do that, like how many people are up?
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Yeah.
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200 yards away, like, you know, in a top back seat at a concert.
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And you're just like, this is insane.
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And seeing the demographic and be all over the board across the board,
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parents and their kids and, you know, so no, even if I did say that back then,
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I definitely didn't expect it to go too faruish it.
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So I'm like bugged out by it for sure.
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It's awesome though.
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Yeah.
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Awesome. Well, thank you so much for doing this.
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I appreciate it.
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Thank you.
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And have fun tonight at the show.
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