Special Edition: Jared Murphy & Kristi Bass, Near Death & the Unexplored Maya Ruins of Belize

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spk_0 We got another special edition, not from the archives, this is a friend who has returned.

spk_0 A few years ago, we had an author who was also a research investigator. His name was Jared Murphy.

spk_0 He wrote a book called It's Not Aliens Worse, It's Us.

spk_0 I really was interested in that because we were also talking about Mayan Ruins,

spk_0 excavations, archaeology, consciousness and so forth and so on.

spk_0 At that time, I believe we had Jim Dayle on with us.

spk_0 Jim was going to go down with Jared to Central America to look at some sites that he had highlighted.

spk_0 Well, that's a few years ago that never happened.

spk_0 But we do have Jared back with us and a new partner, her name is Kristi Bass.

spk_0 And they are launching a new podcast called RKOX Podcast, which he airs every Wednesday.

spk_0 We're going to learn all about it.

spk_0 Hey, this is Cliff, your host of Earth Ancients.

spk_0 Today, we're going to learn just what it takes to find the ruins of an ancient civilization, the Mayan city in the Belize.

spk_0 And what leads up to actually getting things done.

spk_0 Fun about this interview and why it's a special edition.

spk_0 They actually use some Google satellite imagery, track down some ruins, found the owner of a site in Belize, Central America.

spk_0 And track down a site that's never been documented, has no name.

spk_0 It is a large ruin with a number of pyramids that are over 250 feet tall.

spk_0 And what he's doing is he's trying to work around the university or archaeological community and pull together his own experts, including,

spk_0 I just mentioned Kristi Bass, who is an LIDAR expert, and some other figures that we're here about today.

spk_0 And actually use the local community, pay them to, with supervision, excavate the site.

spk_0 And it's just, and you'll hear this today, it's just amazing what they uncovered.

spk_0 And we have pictures of this and we'll see if you're on YouTube, you can see the photographs of it.

spk_0 But this all came out and Jared had this, Jared had a heart attack, a poor guy, and was pronounced dead.

spk_0 And we're going to hear about this event that he had, this cardiac event, and the subsequent trips that he took to Central America and Belize to do sites inspections.

spk_0 And he and Kristi went down there and met a LIDAR specialist.

spk_0 And it's just fascinating, it's a really intriguing story.

spk_0 And it has an end, it has an end, he wants to do tours, take people down there.

spk_0 And I think he wants to do tours, where people go down, they see the site, and they put on their gloves, and they do under supervision.

spk_0 They excavate some sections of this pyramidal city, a civic area.

spk_0 Now I find this interesting because it's completely contrary to what we hear about, where a site is identified through locals who have lived on the area for generations.

spk_0 And then the university funds it, and then the archaeologists come down, serve it, and then choose, depending on what their budget is, choose a portion to begin to excavate.

spk_0 Now as you'll see from the photographs that are posted, a lot of this city, and there's no name for it, is exposed.

spk_0 And one of the main areas that has, they're called complexes, where you have multiple pyramidal platforms, with pyramids built on top of them, is very much open to exploration.

spk_0 And what is exciting, and I don't know, it has to be legal obviously, if they have a group of professionals, but there's no archaeological team there.

spk_0 These are geologists, these are definitely at amateurs, and we're going to find all about it, we're going to find out just what they found.

spk_0 And it's like wow, it's kind of cool because for a number of years when I went down to Yucatan, and Yucatan's just barely excavated.

spk_0 In other words, there's so many sites that are known by the local community, the local Maya community, that isn't known by the archaeological community.

spk_0 And Yucatan has not been scanned, and when I used to go down there, I would go to places like Coba, which is only partially excavated.

spk_0 And even the world-class cities like Chichen Itza, Ushmau, Saeil, Labna, those Puketrelle cities, they're just barely excavated.

spk_0 And you're going to remember when we have Dr. Ed Barnhart on the program, he reminds us that what we know of the Maya is less than 1%, less than 1%, so we're going to hear some pretty eye-opening predictions and theories today on the program.

spk_0 So again, the program is focused around having Jared Murphy and Christie Bass on the program, and discovering what they found.

spk_0 We'll have photographs on the YouTube channel, but a lot of these are coming up now including the early Lidar photographs that you can see on the Facebook page, and the local Maya community that pitched in and were paid to do some research.

spk_0 So, it's a really good program, excavation, and cleanup work.

spk_0 So, real fun, very unusual, legit, 100% legit because as you'll learn shortly, not only documents, but permits have to be requisitioned by the Belize government.

spk_0 And they have their own archaeological team that has dissanctioned the work that is done on the sites.

spk_0 So, today's program is near death and the unexplored Maya ruins of Belize.

spk_0 And my guest star, Jared Murphy and Christie Bass.

spk_0 This is a special edition of our program.

spk_0 We have a friend that we are welcoming back who has actually been through a lot.

spk_0 We're talking about Jared Murphy. He is the author of, it's not aliens, worse, it's us.

spk_0 We had him on, I can't think, I think it was like three or four years ago, but he's a fascinating guy, and he has not only been through a lot personally, but he has launched a new podcast.

spk_0 We want to talk about that as well as done some Indiana Jones type of research in Central America.

spk_0 So, and I want to introduce both Jared Murphy and his partner, Christie Bass.

spk_0 They're coming to us from Oklahoma. So, hey guys, good to see you. How you doing?

spk_0 It's so nice to see you again, Cliff.

spk_0 Thanks for having us on.

spk_0 All right, we want to start with Jared's situation here, this dramatic, I mean, we were just talking back and forth and all of a sudden I heard from Jen Dayo, our archaeologist here, it's like, Jared's in the hospital.

spk_0 Jared's had a heart attack, Jared, Jared, we know, it's serious too, you know, and I heard this, and I don't remember if I tried to reach out with an email or something, but it was bad.

spk_0 So, hey, what's been going on with you? What happened? Did you take some bad medicine or were you on a psychedelic journey and, you know, I don't know.

spk_0 It was really funny, as a side note, I have heard that some people that take Ayahuasca, it's so intense that they don't necessarily have a heart attack when they have like a psychic break where they're like, they had to kind of like be mellow for a week or two.

spk_0 Sometimes as much as a month, because it's shipped, the whole reality has shifted.

spk_0 But yours is a little more grounded. Talk a little bit about what happened, fella. What's going on?

spk_0 Sure. Well, and Christie can speak to the Ayahuasca part, but she has an expert, but the...

spk_0 I wouldn't call myself an expert.

spk_0 She's the astro-planning astronaut, astronaut.

spk_0 Second nut.

spk_0 That's it. Yeah. So, by the way, it is for everyone listening, it is entirely due to cliff that when we met, that's how I met Jen Dayo.

spk_0 And that has been... She's a wonderful human being, and that was great. Thank you.

spk_0 You're like, oh, you're in St. Paul, Minneapolis. It's like, so is Jen. And it's like, you guys should get together.

spk_0 You guys were actually going to go do what you Christie knew you did, which was go down and see some sights somewhere, but I just didn't happen.

spk_0 Yeah, because she worked in Iraq. She's worked in Syria. She's worked in a lot of places.

spk_0 And really, Jen and I were on track to do all that, but she moved.

spk_0 That's what happens when your husband's a rocket scientist.

spk_0 Can I do you imagine the pillow talk?

spk_0 Oh, yeah. It's like, hey, honey, what did you do today? I invented a rocket.

spk_0 You're going to Mars. And it's like, okay. But yeah, it was horror off. I probably didn't get back to everybody when I died, but I did go to...

spk_0 I went as far as having a Widowmaker. So I had a heart attack. Then I had a cardiac arrest. And this was two years ago on Memorial Day.

spk_0 And it was two weeks after I got back from Belize. And I'd written the book, you and I had met.

spk_0 And the book was really a foundation to getting what was going to be... I didn't have an idea of what Archiwax was going to be.

spk_0 I had no idea how it was going to be the life.

spk_0 I mean, when we get to the website, you're going to see because entirely what we already talked about off air, what in me meeting Christy, what has happened and what's evolved into... I mean, entirely this is...

spk_0 I had an idea. And then really what it's turned into is because of the woman sitting next to me.

spk_0 Fantastic. Before we get into Christy, give us the circumstances of your heart attack.

spk_0 Like were you hiking, were you walking, were you driving, what was going on. And the bigger point is, did you get a sense of your heart bothering you, were you having some physical problems?

spk_0 Because in my case, I was hiking. And I was like, wait, something feels weird. And then I started losing energy as I was coming down the hill.

spk_0 I mean, I was out in the middle of nowhere. So I got in my car drove to a local hospital. Luckily it was close by and they're like, dude, you're having a heart attack.

spk_0 But it was weird for me because it was like, what's happening? And leading up to it, I had like little weird sensations.

spk_0 So when you say leading up to it, how far before the actual...

spk_0 I should have called in ahead of time, but I'm always one of these guys. It'll go away. It'll pass. I'll be fine.

spk_0 But I'm just curious, Jared, because sometimes there's little messages and little warning signs of something that's impending.

spk_0 Oh, yeah. Well, and just so everyone's clear, you had a little maker just like I did, right?

spk_0 I did. And that's in this funny because they put the stand, they stended me right in that artery on the heart.

spk_0 Yeah, me too. I think so since we're unpacking this and you can double as my therapist or psychologist.

spk_0 So for everyone, I do design build historical remodeling. That's kind of my background for a number... Well, a few decades now.

spk_0 So I can do anything with either dirt or home existing or not or whatever I can do anything.

spk_0 Really, truly, and I just mean that I can design or I can repair, do that kind of work.

spk_0 And being from Minnesota, we have a bit of a different work ethic than a lot of places.

spk_0 So for anyone wondering, I was 100% entirely blocked. The lower dissenting widow making artery was 100% blocked.

spk_0 I had been in the jungle. You said it had. I've been hiking. I don't complain about stuff.

spk_0 So did I have a 60 pound pack? I did. And was I in the jungle for... We were in the jungle for four to seven miles a day in the jungle with razor grass.

spk_0 So it's a police, right?

spk_0 Yep, in Belize. And for two weeks, we had 26 target satellite sites and I put together a group and I think it was entirely stress related.

spk_0 But I apparently like to work cliff until I die.

spk_0 So if it comes to people's pain thresholds, I don't know where yours is at or anyone else's, but I'll go tell them dead.

spk_0 And I don't stop. I don't complain. I just keep working and I work hard.

spk_0 And apparently I said I had a headache. Now for everyone listening, I was on fentanyl. They put me in a lot of drugs. So here's what happens.

spk_0 According to the reports, I said I wanted an ice cream sandwich, which is not something I've wanted in like 15 years.

spk_0 And I apparently will end up sharing that ice cream sandwich from my digestive tract to the paramedics who are really keen on telling me about it since I survived.

spk_0 And then afterwards they said they wanted to go to dairy queen for some reason. But I ended up having a headache.

spk_0 I said I wanted Tylenol and I had a headache, but I just kept working and I sat down on the front desk.

spk_0 Is this in Minnesota? You're in Minnesota when this is happening.

spk_0 Minnesota, I've been back from Belize for two weeks and I died right there on the front steps. It looked like I was having a seizure.

spk_0 That's a rare thing to with heart attacks. It looked like I was having a seizure.

spk_0 So they didn't think it was a heart attack even. They thought I was something else.

spk_0 And so I was taking what's called the death breasts when the paramedic showed up in five minutes.

spk_0 And fortunately I was by an incredible medical center. It had been county medical center.

spk_0 It's a joint teaching hospital with the Mayo Clinic and the University of Minnesota. So we're talking about the likes of Dr. Nijerian and a lot of really, really intelligent heart people that they basically I was in the right place at the right time.

spk_0 You said death breaths. I hate to interrupt this beautiful monologue, but you said death breaths.

spk_0 I haven't heard you refer to them. Is that what do you mean? What is that?

spk_0 The first time I heard them, they're pretty scary. I guess I can mimic one I've heard. I don't know what I sounded like.

spk_0 But some people can go on for minutes. So say you're seeing Betsy, someone who's maybe not doing well when their body when they're really shutting down or and they're still fighting to go.

spk_0 So what you'll start to hear and I'll mimic a couple, but what it is is.

spk_0 And it's like it's really bad. That's terrible. You're just like hanging on.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 Here we go.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 They're like what I'm doing but they're deep and they keep going. And so like and you can almost feel their their.

spk_0 They're rattling. You can their chest rattling. It's really.

spk_0 So where are you? You're walking out of the house.

spk_0 I was working. I had. I had. I'd come back from Belize. I'd unpacked a lot of my stuff. And I had a job site where.

spk_0 where we collected, we had all the satellite imaging

spk_0 and we had done the expedition was so successful

spk_0 and what, right now it's not RQX, right now it's just,

spk_0 it's not aliens and we're gonna do field work

spk_0 and I know what we're gonna do and we had done it,

spk_0 it went really well, but now we're back,

spk_0 we got to unpack all this data, we had filmed a bunch of stuff

spk_0 and we helped the owners of the land on track

spk_0 to find two and a half to three and a half million dollars

spk_0 worth of stolen artifacts.

spk_0 It was a giant, Indiana Jones looking archeological

spk_0 theft site and so we're all excited about it,

spk_0 but here I am at a job site on a front patio porch

spk_0 in South Minneapolis and I was doing the day job

spk_0 and I sat down to take that break

spk_0 and the next thing I know at the front I was with,

spk_0 he looked outside and it looked like I was having a seizure

spk_0 and I had fallen over, hit my head and...

spk_0 So he called the ambulance?

spk_0 Which, it was Memorial Day, so apparently people don't like

spk_0 to do things on Memorial Day, like die

spk_0 or do things, so the fire, the fire paramedics came,

spk_0 the firemen came and the regular paramedics came,

spk_0 everybody came and all the neighbors came out

spk_0 and a very populated South Minneapolis neighborhood

spk_0 and from the time I dropped to the time I had a heart stint,

spk_0 I was dead for 45 minutes total,

spk_0 they had to restart my heart seven times.

spk_0 You were unconscious when they ambulance you to the hospital.

spk_0 Yeah, so they immediately hooked me up to what's called

spk_0 the Lucas machine and they broke five of my ribs,

spk_0 they intubated me and 70 minutes later I had a heart stint

spk_0 after they got my heart started,

spk_0 which would not stay started for 45 minutes.

spk_0 You looked miserable in that bed with being hooked up,

spk_0 so was that after they put the stint in?

spk_0 Yeah, for some reason having been dead for 45 minutes,

spk_0 they said that for some reason I needed to be in the coma

spk_0 to help, they had dropped the temperature in the room

spk_0 and apparently they tried to wake me up four times,

spk_0 the coma was only supposed to be induced for a couple days,

spk_0 but apparently I was in a responding well.

spk_0 And then eventually they had said that well,

spk_0 you know, he's been dead for 45 minutes,

spk_0 it's cognitively, it's the fact that he lived 91% to high,

spk_0 so of the nine percent that lived,

spk_0 80% are incapacitated in extremely physical

spk_0 and mental ways or both.

spk_0 And so the likelihood of me being functional at all,

spk_0 but I can tell everyone that I walked out of ICU

spk_0 in 17 days and then I had a full,

spk_0 they, when I did the full heart rehab,

spk_0 I had 100% my ejection fraction rate,

spk_0 so I was dumb about hearts.

spk_0 I didn't know.

spk_0 Your heart wasn't damaged,

spk_0 part of the heart didn't die.

spk_0 Well, so I have damaged to my lower part of my heart.

spk_0 I do have damage.

spk_0 Oh, okay.

spk_0 What does not happen is I didn't know

spk_0 that your heart sucks and pushes blood.

spk_0 I thought it just pushes blood,

spk_0 I thought it just squeezes like a muscle, right?

spk_0 It never occurred to me that it's sucking and pushing.

spk_0 So the ejection fraction rate never recovers.

spk_0 Well, mine did in three months.

spk_0 And they said this is a miracle.

spk_0 And so there's a lot of anomalies about my recovery.

spk_0 One being as dead as long as I was,

spk_0 functioning as well as I did until dead

spk_0 and then walking down.

spk_0 They don't call it death.

spk_0 They call it you're just in a coma.

spk_0 No, I had my, so first I had an heart attack,

spk_0 then I had a cardiac arrest.

spk_0 So my heart stopped.

spk_0 I was just straight up dead

spk_0 and then they would double paddle my heart

spk_0 and then they ultimately went to double-pally

spk_0 and at maximum and my heart would start

spk_0 and then it would stop.

spk_0 Then it would start and then it would stop.

spk_0 So I was straight up dying over and over seven times.

spk_0 Wow.

spk_0 Seven times to work.

spk_0 Well, of course, the question now is,

spk_0 did you pass through the tunnel of light and see relatives

spk_0 and who was the shaman on the other end that said,

spk_0 you need to go back, buddy, your time's not up yet.

spk_0 Back to the right.

spk_0 So that is the assumption.

spk_0 The Ioloska expert over here had the brilliance on it,

spk_0 you know, I just thought we're gonna start saying

spk_0 enough until it is.

spk_0 I think it was Christy.

spk_0 It was Christy's by the side of the bed shaking

spk_0 a rattle or something and I didn't know where he got.

spk_0 I'm on it, shamanic drum.

spk_0 You know.

spk_0 You know what?

spk_0 My daughter was there and everyone knows I love Led Zeppelin

spk_0 and back and there's a number of musicians

spk_0 that I'm fond of, extremely passionate about.

spk_0 I really do, my daughter was there, my brother was there

spk_0 and they were playing music for me.

spk_0 That was things they knew I liked.

spk_0 And yeah, so there's these protocols to wake you up

spk_0 and I won't repeat exactly what I said,

spk_0 but they're like, listen, he was dead for 45 minutes.

spk_0 He's not gonna function while we don't know what's gonna happen.

spk_0 So ultimately, I was on fentanyl cliff

spk_0 and a bunch of drugs that they deleted my memory

spk_0 for a couple of days, even prior, the event and prior.

spk_0 I have no memory of what happened.

spk_0 However, this is where her idea of doing some regression,

spk_0 maybe either whether it's Iowaska

spk_0 or whether it's some really good hypnotherapist,

spk_0 there's some different activations that we wanna do

spk_0 to try to recover my memory of that time

spk_0 because there's no way, according to some,

spk_0 some of the people, the psychic,

spk_0 some of the people that we've spoken to since,

spk_0 they're like, you are not the same human being.

spk_0 Some people die and they come back to the same person.

spk_0 And the advice has been given.

spk_0 Barbara DeLong, for instance,

spk_0 has said, you are not the same.

spk_0 No, actually she said,

spk_0 you are not alive, I think, is what she said.

spk_0 Are you, how did she word it?

spk_0 I don't remember, but it was basically like you're just dead.

spk_0 Well, are you thinking that you were worried

spk_0 that you were gonna be a walk-in,

spk_0 that you wouldn't be Jared Murphy anymore,

spk_0 you'd be only physically Jared Murphy,

spk_0 but you're some other soul.

spk_0 That's why a lot of people were

spk_0 and interpret when they leave their body.

spk_0 But you sound the same to me, you look the same,

spk_0 you got a big smile,

spk_0 and I'm looking at Christy, Chrissy smiling too.

spk_0 So I think-

spk_0 What if you're just a different version?

spk_0 What if you're just, what if a different time,

spk_0 what, you know, you just jumped into your body

spk_0 from a different timeline?

spk_0 Jared 2.0.

spk_0 Yeah, but.

spk_0 You know, I will tell you that.

spk_0 You're higher self took over.

spk_0 After they woke me up,

spk_0 I will tell you this is that apparently I asked about 200 times,

spk_0 100 times before I ever knew what was going on.

spk_0 And so all I can tell you is the moment

spk_0 that I remember asking the question, where am I?

spk_0 I had already asked it a couple hundred times,

spk_0 but I remember all I remember is asking it, where am I?

spk_0 And the answer, this is the answer, remember, they said you died.

spk_0 And you were in a coma and it literally took me about a minute,

spk_0 maybe not even a summer between 45 seconds to have been in a half

spk_0 to really to fully let it sink in.

spk_0 Cause I like situational awareness.

spk_0 I like to know who's are on me, what's going on.

spk_0 I'm not distracted by it, but it's again,

spk_0 it's 10 years in the restaurant business

spk_0 and also it's like, is there a threat?

spk_0 Or I'm not worried about anything.

spk_0 I just, I noticed things.

spk_0 And so once I had the assessment of like,

spk_0 I could comprehend the needles, I could comprehend-

spk_0 I mean, yeah.

spk_0 And they're really upset.

spk_0 And I'm definitely in a private, I must be bad,

spk_0 cause I'm in my own room and I know it's ICU.

spk_0 And so I'm assessing all this instantly cliff.

spk_0 And then there's this part of me that says,

spk_0 I now have the control and power to not die.

spk_0 Yes, so there's a point-

spk_0 That's kind of powerful.

spk_0 There's, so once you're reactivated enough,

spk_0 I had this thought that it's like,

spk_0 I will now will myself to stay alive.

spk_0 And that is, that was my immediate internal.

spk_0 I did not share that with anyone.

spk_0 Next, I've never shared that on air.

spk_0 I've never talked about it.

spk_0 That's the first time I've ever heard you say that.

spk_0 Yeah, I don't share.

spk_0 So that will to survive that like,

spk_0 when people are near death and they have that fighting,

spk_0 will to survive, that's what you felt.

spk_0 It was an absolute knowing that I will not let myself die again.

spk_0 And then there's another part of it-

spk_0 Well, you do know that's inevitable, right?

spk_0 No.

spk_0 You're gonna definitely die.

spk_0 I'm doing the Brian Johnson biohacking stuff,

spk_0 my intention-

spk_0 Forever.

spk_0 Well, I'm just-

spk_0 Can we get to talk a little bit about your biohacking?

spk_0 Because I got into it about three months after I had my heart attack

spk_0 and I was like, I need to manipulate things a little better.

spk_0 Because the alopathic point of view,

spk_0 they just don't get subtle energy.

spk_0 They don't get the meridians that the Chinese have understood

spk_0 for 5,000 years, which is what they focus

spk_0 and provide acupuncture for as well as herbs.

spk_0 And so when you're looking at that aspect

spk_0 as a healing modality, it doesn't work.

spk_0 They're only about death.

spk_0 And in fact, they're great analysts.

spk_0 They'll tell you what's going on.

spk_0 But after that, it's up to you to figure out.

spk_0 Or you do the drug routine.

spk_0 My father had a heart attack right after he retired.

spk_0 He was on 20 different medications.

spk_0 That's crazy.

spk_0 Yeah, they call it heart remodeling.

spk_0 And that's what they did to me.

spk_0 They want to remodel your heart

spk_0 and they want it to, and Chris,

spk_0 Chris, he shared a visit with us soon to be retiring

spk_0 one of the main doctors at HCMC who said that we have a dilemma.

spk_0 We ethically don't want to take people off of drugs

spk_0 that we see do.

spk_0 I'm there talking about wanting to get off the meds.

spk_0 Oh my God, here's a doctor.

spk_0 And next year, guys, going, I don't feel comfortable around you.

spk_0 Absolutely.

spk_0 The look on his face was just like, yeah, what exactly?

spk_0 Well, I actually saw that.

spk_0 Why?

spk_0 And it's not that they're not good people.

spk_0 It's just the training.

spk_0 It's like they're not given anything other drugs,

spk_0 mediation and surgery.

spk_0 It's like, yeah, it's here's the illness.

spk_0 Here's the drug.

spk_0 Here's the illness.

spk_0 Here's the drug.

spk_0 There's no holistic, no holistic remedies at all.

spk_0 None.

spk_0 Well, and then there's, you know, we have that TED Talk

spk_0 by Anthony Holland, Professor Anthony Holland

spk_0 with the whole frequency energy killing, leukemia,

spk_0 and MRSA and all these things.

spk_0 And there's the TED Talk.

spk_0 It's on YouTube.

spk_0 We can discuss it.

spk_0 It's real.

spk_0 It's there.

spk_0 We've heard nothing out of his experimental company.

spk_0 However, I have a friend this last week that I visited with

spk_0 and she has a friend who has stage three, four leukemia.

spk_0 And it's bad.

spk_0 And she had not heard of the ultra high frequency treatments

spk_0 which are standard in England.

spk_0 And she's like, what are you talking about?

spk_0 And then I showed her the TED Talk quick.

spk_0 She said, send it to me.

spk_0 And then her friend who's really concerned does not,

spk_0 is a fighter, doesn't want to die.

spk_0 And at the same time, it's like, you can just go standard

spk_0 to England and at these massive, beautiful hospitals,

spk_0 go get ultra high frequency targeted cellular destruction

spk_0 of, of, of cancer.

spk_0 Looking cancer.

spk_0 And it's not even brought up or discussed.

spk_0 That's crazy.

spk_0 And it's been around there for years.

spk_0 And so I said, just Google it.

spk_0 And she did.

spk_0 And she's like, oh my gosh, this is the real thing.

spk_0 And I said, it is.

spk_0 But as an American, we're not given these as not only options,

spk_0 but how we grow our food.

spk_0 What kind of mineralization?

spk_0 Like what are we, not just what minerals are in the food,

spk_0 but these field and frequency sound systems

spk_0 and these, the resonance is they're all real.

spk_0 How we handle everything from our preventative care

spk_0 to our actual care to finding these things.

spk_0 It's not you have to be your own advocate.

spk_0 I chose to get out of bed.

spk_0 I chose to get up.

spk_0 I chose to move.

spk_0 I chose to not just lay there.

spk_0 I knew that I had to fight.

spk_0 And so when I had said that thing to myself,

spk_0 and I guess I didn't think about, maybe that's probably

spk_0 significant, that I said that or thought that,

spk_0 but I knew that I wanted,

spk_0 I knew what my life trajectory was.

spk_0 I know what I'm gonna do.

spk_0 I know, I know.

spk_0 We look good and you sound good.

spk_0 And I obviously recovered and you have a few meds you got to take.

spk_0 I think we talked about that offline a few days ago.

spk_0 I have to take a few meds too, because you know what?

spk_0 It's their machinery in my body.

spk_0 I'm part borg now with a stint.

spk_0 And so I have to have the med, I have to take the meds

spk_0 that they recommend that are focused towards the stint.

spk_0 That protocol, but that's a small part of the protocol.

spk_0 I'm more into self-awareness, biohacking,

spk_0 vitamins, minerals and exercise.

spk_0 So I think that's big.

spk_0 Hey, let's jump into this archaeological dig

spk_0 because this is an amazing discovery.

spk_0 I really am not that familiar with beliefs,

spk_0 but how did this all come about?

spk_0 This discovery, this ruin and this connection,

spk_0 and then going down there, I guess that Christy comes in there

spk_0 somewhere too.

spk_0 She does and very much a full-crime of all this.

spk_0 What's gonna turn into our QX?

spk_0 You know, that's the thing.

spk_0 The evolution of actually living and doing,

spk_0 I knew a lot of people were frustrated with me getting out

spk_0 of that, not going back to the getting out of the hospital bed.

spk_0 But it's like, there was frustration within weeks

spk_0 of like, how can you just get up and go?

spk_0 And it's like because I know what I'm doing.

spk_0 And there's a drive.

spk_0 And whether it was believes or not,

spk_0 you have these, my invilagers you just got squademol

spk_0 and my invilagers actually, they're in Belize,

spk_0 which was a British Commonwealth.

spk_0 English speaking is their primary language.

spk_0 Otherwise, these minds are living on top of these ancient ruins.

spk_0 And we need to, this is not gonna be the third expedition,

spk_0 but what we're gonna do is we're gonna light our scan them

spk_0 and Tom Elmore, our other partner.

spk_0 He had suggested we need an aerial light our company.

spk_0 And so getting quickly to Christie here,

spk_0 it was, she was like, you should just scan four thousand acres

spk_0 and like, yeah, we should.

spk_0 So give us the, give us the inception of this whole concept

spk_0 of, I don't know, where you met Christie somehow

spk_0 and then you guys decided to go down

spk_0 or is it Tom Elmore?

spk_0 I mean, give us the, the beginnings.

spk_0 Yeah, the time limit.

spk_0 All right.

spk_0 So the short is I moved to Utah and Metaman

spk_0 who had a very eclectic gentleman

spk_0 in almost his 90s who had 7,000 acres.

spk_0 So five by seven mile plot of land.

spk_0 And he said, I'm pretty sure I have my own ruins.

spk_0 I had met you and I written the book

spk_0 and the plan was we are gonna be doing field work.

spk_0 I'm gonna continue.

spk_0 I'd been South Africa and Indian

spk_0 and many places where I had been looking at work,

spk_0 but I knew that I was gonna do field work.

spk_0 And so this was the first opportunity,

spk_0 first invite directly that said,

spk_0 we want you to come and locate my own ruins on our property

spk_0 and then he was like, can you do it?

spk_0 And Tom Elmore and I had met through

spk_0 Dennis Stone who owns the American Stonehenge.

spk_0 Dennis and I had become friends.

spk_0 I'd already speak to that American,

spk_0 I had spoken to American Stonehenge.

spk_0 And and then what happened was is like, well,

spk_0 let's put a group together and do this expedition.

spk_0 And ultimately we're gonna,

spk_0 we're gonna conceive of Archeo X eventually.

spk_0 We're with the ideas we're gonna go to field work.

spk_0 And we've not done it before.

spk_0 So I got to hold a 10 people

spk_0 and we got to hold some satellite,

spk_0 we got, we got some satellite worked on

spk_0 and we eventually found these targets.

spk_0 And that was like the beginning.

spk_0 It was like we had all the success with it.

spk_0 And then I immediately come back

spk_0 and put the entire momentum on pause

spk_0 because I paused and died.

spk_0 And then it's like, okay, reset.

spk_0 And then they're like, well, you can't fly yet.

spk_0 So I do the rehab and I, and then within weeks,

spk_0 within within three months, Tom Elmore and myself

spk_0 and another gentleman, we went back to Belize

spk_0 to with the same village

spk_0 because we know these, these ruins are at least 2000 years old.

spk_0 They're the oldest ruins in Belize.

spk_0 So Belize for everyone listening is between Guatemala.

spk_0 So we got the Atlantic and the Pacific.

spk_0 This is the part of the vast Mayan Empire.

spk_0 And Belize is at the squeeze point of central pre-Panama Canal.

spk_0 Belize is definitely a place where you would drop something

spk_0 and you could definitely walk over to the Pacific

spk_0 or travel upstream and get to the Pacific.

spk_0 This must have been a highly, highly populated place.

spk_0 And so here we are, conceiving the Barclay OX

spk_0 and we've been talking to the Peruvians

spk_0 and we're talking about doing some of the

spk_0 large, mega-lotic ruins and doing work there.

spk_0 And at the time, like we have to build an actual team.

spk_0 Like what is, what is Arclay OX going to be?

spk_0 At the time, we didn't have a name for it.

spk_0 It was just we knew we were gonna do this.

spk_0 It's not aliens and we're gonna do this.

spk_0 We're gonna take a short commercial break

spk_0 to allow our sponsors to identify themselves

spk_0 and we'll return shortly with my guests today,

spk_0 Jared Murphy and Kristi Bass discussing their new podcast,

spk_0 Arclay OX podcast as well as their research

spk_0 in the Belize jungles.

spk_0 We'll be right back.

spk_0 We'll talk about that in a quick interactive video.

spk_0 My guests today are Jared Murphy and Christie Bass.

spk_0 They have recently launched a new podcast called RKOX and it is all about biohacking lifestyles,

spk_0 all kinds of fascinating topics.

spk_0 And what we're also discussing is their research in beliefs in the discovery of an unknown

spk_0 Mayan city.

spk_0 So it's Tom Elmore, part of RKO.

spk_0 Talk a real quickly about his company, GeoNav.

spk_0 Yeah, the GeoNav group, they do ground penetrating radar, they do ground light arms,

spk_0 so they do above ground, they do below ground, they do aerials.

spk_0 He's got the main dollar light hour equipment or just he rented out and then he's got the

spk_0 technicians. He's the first person in North America to use a very special kind of ground light

spk_0 eye that is handheld and it's meant generally for architectural light houring, but it does 300.

spk_0 Okay, so drone does 750 points of data in a square meter of data. That's a lot, 750 points,

spk_0 but his does about 350,000 points of data per square meter. So you get high, high resolutions

spk_0 of turning the trees on, turning the trees on, and then he works with other people and they do a lot.

spk_0 He was the head of the, I believe the Massachusetts, not New Hampshire, it was a

spk_0 Tom can get mad at me later, but he was the head of one of the historical societies.

spk_0 So they were scanning battles sites and they were scanning

spk_0 cemeteries and they were scanning into the Newport tower and they were doing, there's all these

spk_0 dolmens and weird ruins on these coasts. So he was doing a lot of work there. He had not been

spk_0 a central assault America. But you mentioned the other day that he was at the site, the American

spk_0 Stonehenge. Did he do American Stonehenge? He scanned the whole thing and that's...

spk_0 He did. Yeah, he did. He's using the tripod system to do that if it's ground-based light hour.

spk_0 No, you walk with it on a stick. It's really heavy. It's like a drum and you carry it and you walk

spk_0 lines and the data is collected and it's put together within this incredible vast software.

spk_0 And he was the first guy in North America to use that particular system in this way.

spk_0 At Archaeology, because it's so detailed, it's so beyond a drone or a plane, but we need to do a

spk_0 vast area and he is pretty good at the research and I don't know how he managed to miracle up this one,

spk_0 but Christie's entirely has fine. So Tom introduced you to Christie.

spk_0 Yeah, and then we had some meetings. Yeah.

spk_0 I want Christie to talk a little bit now because obviously this is your introduction. Talk about

spk_0 basics, but get into your interest on this whole phenomenon of archaeological ruins.

spk_0 Yeah, so I was working for an aerial light hour company whenever I got the call from Tom.

spk_0 So I ran a sales and marketing for air data solutions and we were a global company,

spk_0 but primarily stationed in the United States. So I had an office or a have...

spk_0 This company is still obviously I left the company to pursue this full time with this dude here,

spk_0 but the owner of the company was a really dear friend of mine and in 2015,

spk_0 it's about 2015, he called and said, I have a business idea. He was a cowboy at the time.

spk_0 He worked on a ranch and he was a cowboy and so he was on horseback all day long.

spk_0 And he ended up, he got his pilot's license. His dad was an aircraft mechanic,

spk_0 brilliant aircraft mechanic and also had his license. And so Dawn ends up following in his

spk_0 footsteps and in his 20s, he gets his license. And so he has his pilot's license and he was asked

spk_0 by a farmer to take some health images of his property. And so he went up and so he calls me and he

spk_0 says, I have this really, I have this idea to tell me what you think. And he tells me, I took

spk_0 these pictures from the air and like when I'm checking out this crop health and I think this could

spk_0 be like a business. And I'm like, for sure, let's do it. So he starts the business and I contract

spk_0 with him kind of often on over a decade or so and then he calls me several years ago and says,

spk_0 I can finally afford to hire you full. He says, you know, you want to come work full time and

spk_0 my response was always you can't afford me. And finally he says, you know what, I can. And I was

spk_0 like, awesome. So I accepted the position and dove into the world of aerial light R, which was

spk_0 amazing. So when you say aerial light R, I haven't been up to date on the modifications that have

spk_0 gone. But what years ago when it first came out, it was a million dollars for the package.

spk_0 Rapid to a helicopter, they strap it to a plane. In the beginning, it was too heavy for a drone.

spk_0 But now they can put it on a drone. And Jared's talking about handheld. I was like kind of shocked

spk_0 at that because that must be a huge modification. But we'll quickly for our listeners, it's a scanning

spk_0 technology. What else is it other than the ability to scan a area and through the manipulation,

spk_0 the technician needs to do this. It removes the foliage, the trees, and it gives you just the raw

spk_0 ground or structures of a ruin in the image. Talk a bit about that.

spk_0 Yeah. So with aerial light R, whether it's from a drone or a plane or, you know, a helicopter,

spk_0 we basically with a helicopter or a plane, well, a lot of times on helicopters and planes,

spk_0 they have units that can even strap to the side, you know, of the wings of the planes.

spk_0 So with my company, in most companies, I believe do this because the units are so heavy,

spk_0 they cut holes in the bottoms of the planes. So you've got these just giant holes in the

spk_0 bottoms of the planes and the units bolt into the holes and sit on a bracket in the plane.

spk_0 And then you fly over your target and from the sensor, it shoots lasers down at the surface

spk_0 and then back up and it measures the time that it takes to hit whatever the target is and then

spk_0 back up to the sensor. And it builds a topographical map of the planet. So or whatever your

spk_0 whatever your target is. So whether that's, you know, indoors or the landscape or whatever.

spk_0 And so it builds a topographical map of whatever you, whatever the target is.

spk_0 Right.

spk_0 And a 3D visual image that you can flip and rotate and it's amazing.

spk_0 It's amazing. I love it.

spk_0 It's really amazing. It's an incredible technology and you can click a button

spk_0 in these software programs and you can turn off the trees. So you can fly over one time and you can

spk_0 take all of this imagery of this of the whatever the target is and then you can click a button

spk_0 in your software program and you can turn off all of the trees and foliage and you can just see

spk_0 the surface. Amazing. So it worked. Go ahead.

spk_0 So so I've and most of my listeners are familiar with archaeological ruins,

spk_0 which is just beautiful. It's a revolutionized archaeology. But in your case,

spk_0 when you're talking about a residence, why would you want it? Why would you need to have

spk_0 lidar scans of a property? Because that's what you're doing, right?

spk_0 Yeah. So we did more commercial scans. So we worked for a lot of government agencies,

spk_0 engineering firms. You do scans of bridges for, you know, bridge safety. We did a lot of

spk_0 slope analysis and in Appalachia. We spent like six months of the year.

spk_0 Slope meaning snow slopes or just for geological.

spk_0 In slides. Yeah. In the mountains. Yeah. You can do that with lidar.

spk_0 Yeah. You can do all kinds of crazy things with lidar.

spk_0 Yeah. And so that's another thing that, well, really that's for like a lot of ride away and stuff.

spk_0 But so in in Appalachia, there are pipelines that run through the mountains and so a lot of it's

spk_0 not just for most of the lidar that we did in the mountains was for oil and gas companies to

spk_0 protect our assets, to protect the pipe, the communities. And so the government requires

spk_0 you fly every step, you know, once a year, twice a year, depending on on what flow is in your

spk_0 in your pipes, what material is flows of your pipes. So you're regulated annually,

spk_0 bionnually, whatever to to fly these lines to protect the environment around it, the

spk_0 communities below it. So slope analysis. A lot of times lidar is flown in California for like

spk_0 fire response. So, you know, for emergency response agencies. Yeah. So that bridge you were talking

spk_0 about, can it tell weakness, structural impurities or things like that? Or is it,

spk_0 and so when we talk about you, we were talking about the ruins in the jungle. And one of the things

spk_0 that I think is important to note with lidar is it doesn't go through foliage. So the the

spk_0 significance of what Tom is carrying in the jungle. And a lot of these finds that we find when

spk_0 we're looking for ruins in the jungle, lidar, the laser doesn't go through foliage. So it's

spk_0 stops at whatever the surface is. It very seldom won't penetrate, which is why under under like

spk_0 under the surface lidar is such a revolutionary technology. Because currently it's really

spk_0 difficult to penetrate the surface with the current lidar technology that we have.

spk_0 Okay. And so when the jungle, the significance of what Tom carries is a handheld unit. So we're

spk_0 actually under the canopy when we're walking in the jungles. So we're picking up accuracy

spk_0 ends of the ruins around us. Whereas when you fly this over the air, it's a little bit harder to

spk_0 see through the foliage if it's really dense. Right. So in jungle situations, it's a little bit

spk_0 harder unless you kind of have a a focus area, which in Belize, we did have a focus area. So there

spk_0 was about 400 acres that we were looking at scanning. But you know, financially it just makes more

spk_0 sense if we're going to fly a plane that far to just because once we're down there, the expense

spk_0 is in the mobilization to get from point A to point B. Once we're there, the cost to fly it

spk_0 is relatively inexpensive. So did you do 100% or did Tom do 100% ground-based light art scanning?

spk_0 Tom did. Yeah. It was 100% in flyovers at all. In fly at all. That's amazing. And so Tom

spk_0 introduced you to Jared. Jared goes, hey, let's go down to Belize or what? Actually. So here we

spk_0 are. This is going to be our third expedition. We had done a lot of planning a lot of stuff. And I

spk_0 had it. I don't know. Just so we connected to the light art thing. And you meet, you know, Cliff,

spk_0 you meet a lot of people who are interested in these subjects. And it's like, okay, no one will

spk_0 know where someone's at. And then, uh, uh, Christian, I decided to connect on this. And it turned out

spk_0 that no, she had a really deep knowledge base. And it was like, well, okay, this is not a basic

spk_0 conversation at all. And he knows what she's talking about. And then it was just a really,

spk_0 it was really great. And then we connect on it. And then a few, uh, conversations with Tom.

spk_0 And I later, I'm like, how do I break this to Tom and say, I think Christie should at least come.

spk_0 And he literally called me within an hour of that and said, you know, I have this idea, Jared.

spk_0 I don't know. Just, and this is Tom, you know, East Coast, New Hampshire. He's like, okay, okay.

spk_0 I don't know if we should do this. But I think we should invite Christie. And I was thinking,

spk_0 yes, yes, and you know, it's so crazy is the whole set that it went the whole time I was working

spk_0 in Ariel I'd are this is the call I was waiting for. Cliff, this was the call. Like, we're in a

spk_0 residential girl. You are a forest girl. You were, uh, you were in the end of Jane kind of a girl.

spk_0 Oh, she's totally Laura Kraft. I mean, totally Laura Kraft. Oh, Laura Kraft.

spk_0 All man. She's no, she's a badass. I got pictures. I will send you the picture. I mean, she's got

spk_0 aviator. She's don't she's an actual. It's like, I don't know. She's going to knife a puma or us.

spk_0 Yeah. You know, I want you to go over real quickly, Jared. How you got, you are, or Tom got permission

spk_0 to, to first of all, scan the area because in Mexico, you can't do anything without permission.

spk_0 And you're going to deal with the archaeological community. And you got to pay fees. It's just a

spk_0 nightmare. You can't, well, we know, I don't know if you know it or not. You can't fly drones in

spk_0 Mexico anymore. Okay. Well, so let's just, uh, does all of this sounds very familiar. Okay. So,

spk_0 you know, yeah. So some of the benefits of coming in on this late, which is great, which is, by the

spk_0 way, archaeox does not exist without the woman sitting next to me. It does, doesn't stop it. Yes, it would.

spk_0 Not like it looks, not like it is, not what it is. It's like it became what it is out of this

spk_0 expedition. And it was evolving, but, but, but the hours that I spent connecting between the local

spk_0 government, the local village government, the local community, uh, councils, the local judges,

spk_0 there's a whole process of the village itself being on board. Then they have contacts within

spk_0 which is the National Institute of Culture and History, which manages all the ruins. And then

spk_0 cinematographer, uh, documentary and that came with and filmed. He and I were literally on the phone

spk_0 the night before the trip till like, for me, it was two in the morning. He was still, we were still

spk_0 debating on whether or not he was going to bring a $2,000 drone, because we may or may not, we're going

spk_0 to get, uh, permission and we did not get and the, and we just ultimately decided like, what if we

spk_0 don't get to get permission? So what should we do? And he solved me like, let's just, I don't

spk_0 know, maybe we just shouldn't and literally like an hour or two before the flight, he got a letter

spk_0 from from niche finally, after all the attempts of contact that said, you can't bring a drone.

spk_0 Well, we'll work to know though. I mean, luckily, because that would have been a headache to

spk_0 drink to bring down to the police. Let me go back to the earlier, uh, present discussion.

spk_0 You know the guy who owns the property that the ruins are on. No, no, there, there are two

spk_0 separate expeditions, the first expedition, um, involved 7,000 acres, which had, uh, all sorts of

spk_0 mind construction on it and ruined. But you know, this is somebody that's privately owns the

spk_0 property. Yes. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. And 7,000 acres. And this is the American.

spk_0 This is an American. And what we are dealing with is

spk_0 multiple satellite imaging. So this is beyond LiDAR scan. These are satellite images,

spk_0 using various methods for us to locate what we suspect are ruin sites.

spk_0 Oh, we thought that there were some pyramids on the property. It's next to a national

spk_0 park of Mayan ruins where we have satellite imaging of those. And that's like, that's a pyramid.

spk_0 But these, these acres had not been officially explored for over a hundred years.

spk_0 And there was just a suspicion, a suspicion. And what's amazing is that you know what

spk_0 mitten mounds are, right? The, uh, the shell. So, but a lot of people don't understand is that

spk_0 there is a significant amount in order to make the white plaster that were on pyramids.

spk_0 They would not only would crush up, they would boil up these, uh, shell creatures,

spk_0 but they would then crush up and they would make plaster and they had food. But there was so much

spk_0 mitten in the seven square, there was an island of mitten. There's so much mitten. It's tons and

spk_0 billions, I think, tons that they want to buy. The shell, the shell fish. Yeah. So they eventually,

spk_0 through Mayan history, I think, started using some of the mitten. So they're processing the,

spk_0 they're called mitten mounds, but they're to process that much shell creature and create what

spk_0 they were doing. The industry must have been tens of thousands of human beings for the production.

spk_0 And at some point in my history, they started bearing, um, they started bearing people and artifacts.

spk_0 And so when we found our, we had, we picked 26 target sites that could have been a pyramid.

spk_0 Could let me stop you real quick, Jared. So let's bring up Angela. We got to talk about Angela.

spk_0 Oh boy. Angela is an expert and we've had her on the show before here on Earth,

spk_0 ancient, and she is a satellite expert. You, I can't, I don't know if I gave you her contact or

spk_0 you just found her from listening to the, but you reached out to her and she, you told her the

spk_0 target area, which was Bully, it's this area you're working on. And she, did she find the,

spk_0 uh, the, the areas to do some basic excavation or how the time I was learning, I was getting my own

spk_0 crash course and learning how to locate and purchase satellite imaging and everything about that.

spk_0 That's, it was a learning curve. So I had gotten some suggestions from her. Tom introduced us.

spk_0 We talked about what we wanted to do. And she said, well, I've found ruins before. And I think

spk_0 I can help you with this. And she said she had a busy palette, a plate. She was pretty busy.

spk_0 But at the same time, it looked like maybe she could help. And I found a lot of, I found a lot of

spk_0 resources and we settled on a couple and I, uh, we purchased a data that is images of this exact

spk_0 area and, and there's the timing of what satellite when did the, when were they taken, what time of

spk_0 the year, there's so many different factors that end up creating. So then she did help kind of

spk_0 get us started. And then ultimately, the Geonav group itself took it over. And, and we, we were,

spk_0 we were able to, you know, so we had a little bit of a full crumb there with her help. And then we

spk_0 ultimately came up with, we could have done more. But it's like, what can we do with 10 people over,

spk_0 over two weeks? It's like, how many sites can we target? We're walking, we're just so you know,

spk_0 we're not, when people think of a hike, there's a path or something, they go on a hike, they go on a

spk_0 trail. Yeah, trail. It's tough trail or like, I don't understand hikers. I mean, we call, I'm, we use

spk_0 ropes. It's not safe. We don't do safe things. I love hiking. What do you mean you don't understand

spk_0 hikers? Well, I don't understand it is when they go, it's a double black and I'm like, you're on a

spk_0 path that's eight inches wise and your death is, I think what you're trying to say Jared is what

spk_0 you're doing is you're cutting your own trail into find these ruins. Yeah, there's nothing but

spk_0 race. It's not like a beaten path like, hey, we're going to go the Wama, Wama trail today and look

spk_0 at the waterfall. No, no, you're cut with machetes and you're getting in there. I did that years

spk_0 and years ago when I first started going to the to Yucatan, I get a Mayan elder and one of my friends

spk_0 would go with me and they spoke Maya. We cut the vines that I was told not to step there because it

spk_0 was a snake or something. So yeah, it's, it's, yeah, you're doing the roth, you're the raw trail blazing.

spk_0 Yeah, so when I said five, seven miles four miles in the jungle, there, there weren't trails. We

spk_0 made the trails and and ironically with 10 people you think by the six or seven person, you wouldn't

spk_0 need to hack something. Everybody had a machete and there was something to hack for everyone, not

spk_0 because they wanted to it was like, what, why can't the first four people cut this enough?

spk_0 You're supposed to not cut the whole vine day. You're supposed to cut it off just to squeeze by.

spk_0 Yeah, well, some people are different sizes and a little person. You don't have to cut for big

spk_0 people, but I felt like we should have put the big people in the front. Yeah. But yeah, so it's like

spk_0 we hacked our way around the jungle for. Yeah. So tell how many targets you chose what five or six

spk_0 targets on the satellite imagery and these are what you went after and we did and they were not

spk_0 and we tried to plan them out in order the topography. We tried to understand the terrain. We tried

spk_0 to understand because we had to go for everyone listening. So we're in southern Belize and in order to

spk_0 get to the property, we had to take a hour and a half boat ride in open waters on the ocean to just

spk_0 beach, not land at a dock. Just beach yourself, get out in the water, reevaluate all your gear,

spk_0 get ready to hike and then start hacking your way to the targets using GPS. Okay. And we then

spk_0 had a Bushman with a rifle and and day one site one turned out to be a massive archaeological

spk_0 Indian and Jones that cooking tents, they had sleeping tents, they were working on about a half

spk_0 acre, quarter acre, and they had been working there for weeks and by the end of the two week trip,

spk_0 the first time they had the owners of the land where there's a lot of archaeological theft.

spk_0 The groups are known and they posed as buyers and they had shown up and taken pictures of the artifacts

spk_0 and the guestimates based on what they were asking for was, well, they were asking based on the

spk_0 value of the objects found and they were beautiful, beautiful statuettes and things. And they were just

spk_0 in the mitten. And the mitten, by the way, is not 10 feet thick. We're talking like 20, 30 feet thick

spk_0 at a minimum where they dug before they hit the water level and these were two and a half to three

spk_0 and a half million dollars in artifacts. Just in a quarter acre, half acre site museum quality stuff.

spk_0 When you say a quarter acre, half acre site, these dilapidated ruins are they digging under the

spk_0 surface on your mitten? Yeah, it's a throw-out pile. How have you cast? What are we looking for?

spk_0 How do we looking at to get these on the side? It looks like the ground's white and then you know

spk_0 it's mitten and the mitten isn't a few square feet, the mitten square miles and the mitten can be

spk_0 well, there are mounds in central and south America that were the size of multiple football and

spk_0 soccer fields. You're walking on ground. Yeah, this is not like, oh, there's some sand and dirt and

spk_0 then there's some mitten. No, this is tons and tons and maybe billions of tons of mitten.

spk_0 Wow. And then they buried things in it. Or maybe they threw away a little statuette, which is now

spk_0 worth $400,000, but you have to find it. And so they were working this area that was pure mitten

spk_0 and there was there was foliage on it, but it was a throw-away pile for the for the myons.

spk_0 And these people identified it as a place where they thought they would locate cool objects,

spk_0 not whether they found bodies or anything else. We don't know any of that, but we come across the

spk_0 site and there was day one site one target one and and had they still been there. I don't think

spk_0 our one bushman with a rifle and all of us with machetes would have been good. It would have been a

spk_0 it could have been not a lot more dangerous. So did you have any archaeologists along with you to

spk_0 kind of identify the artifacts that you were discovering? They had already stolen the artifacts

spk_0 and so the owners are going to locate the people who had been working this site

spk_0 within a couple weeks. And so you know people were contacted, authorities were contacted. We were

spk_0 there, which just left with the tools, the site, all the holes, all the surgical precision,

spk_0 all the archaeological precision work that I've been done to locate and steal the items.

spk_0 We were just left with the site. They had skiddattle. So they were there ahead of you and they left

spk_0 their mess and so did you just kind of occupy where they had had their site and just

spk_0 we were there. We we videoed it and followed it and so talk a little bit about the site. Jared,

spk_0 is it is it because on the photographs that Christy sent me, there's some nice staircases with

spk_0 the interest of some pyramidal structures. It looks like there's some really nice retaining walls

spk_0 built up. I think when we first talked, you said it was fairly high up in some of the some of the

spk_0 platform, like a platform or a base and then there's pyramids or something. Go ahead and tell

spk_0 us about it. That's a different site and that's where we worked. That's where we cleared the

spk_0 pyramids. That was what what all did you. I'd only sent to I think I only sent two photos to you.

spk_0 I think it was Jared. Maybe it was Jared of the oh, but then he clips talking about the doorway,

spk_0 right? So he must be talking about that. He's like possibly the doorway. That was my give us give

spk_0 us a kind of a talent from the first time you were there. What did you see? What did you identify?

spk_0 And then the second time you came back, I guess that's when you started to see the first time was

spk_0 really, really rough. It was hard. I mean, we were in the jungle hard every day. I mean, it was like

spk_0 you're hacking your way to get and there was there was big cats, of course, jaguars. There was one

spk_0 so big. I mean, for size comparison, I don't have the smallest hand. I don't have the biggest, but

spk_0 the jaguar print was bigger than my hand. Yeah. And you got the razor grass and you got a lot of

spk_0 nasty giant spiders and things. So that was rough. But at the second site where we took the photos,

spk_0 that has paths. It's occupied more by the it's traveled by the villagers because they farm out

spk_0 there. A lot of the fertile land is on the sides of the old pyramid. So we're on a this is a 400

spk_0 acre site, not a 7,000 acre site, but this is a site that is likely the oldest ruins and believes.

spk_0 It's almost not been excavated in any way at all. And we were there to work with those

spk_0 villagers to clear it. And that's where, um, um, lorecroft here traveled on with Tom Elmore. And

spk_0 I she gets the I don't know how Tom is getting that light. Our system is not light. I don't know

spk_0 how he was planning on doing that entirely alone because you got to walk in a straight line. So

spk_0 you're up on a pyramid 270 feet. By the way, it's not a single pyramid. It's a platform with

spk_0 yeah. A couple soccer fields and sides with multiple buildings on it. It's just that if you're on

spk_0 the top of any of those buildings on the outside, the outside goes down 270 feet. So you could take a walk,

spk_0 you could take a walk down the side of a wall and drop 100 feet or more. Fortunately, it was all so

spk_0 disheveled from trees and plants and earthquakes. It's very rough going down. You could, if you

spk_0 don't need a big goat, you can get down it. We're going to take a short commercial break and allow

spk_0 our sponsors to identify themselves and we'll return shortly with my guest today, Jared Murphy

spk_0 and Kristi Bass discussing their new podcast and research in Central America. We'll be right back.

spk_0 I guess today our podcast host, Jared Murphy and his partner, Kristi Bass discussing their

spk_0 research in Belize and the discovery of a Mayan city and their new podcast, RKOX.

spk_0 Yeah, Kristi, what did you see the first time you were there, one of these target sites

spk_0 that were you were visiting?

spk_0 Yes, so when we first got there, there wasn't a whole lot too see because it was covered.

spk_0 But after even the first day, we could start seeing ruins under the foliage when they started

spk_0 pulling off fines and trees and bushwhacking everything. Eventually, they uncovered what appeared

spk_0 to be a doorway. We couldn't figure out how to get in it, but it was clearly some sort of a doorway

spk_0 into what we think was a set of ruins that runs down the side of this mountain. If you could see

spk_0 down below it, if we could have cleared down below it, there might have been something beneath

spk_0 that we don't know. We only had a set amount of time to get it done, but more than, I think

spk_0 that more than seeing, so it's fascinating being in this world of ancient archaeology and all

spk_0 of these things. So where I kind of come in, archaeology is relatively new. My fascination with it

spk_0 isn't because we dig up cool things in the ground. It's the age of the things, the contradicts,

spk_0 the historical narrative that we've been told. Well, talk about that. Did you guys do some carbon

spk_0 dating there or? No, we didn't, but that's obviously that's the goal ultimately, is what we want to do.

spk_0 So we've been, we're in continuous talks and believes, but also in Peru too. So there's some

spk_0 size that we've been looking at digging out in Peru. Hopefully, maybe one day soon. We'll be able to

spk_0 dig and really do some foundation work over there. But no, we didn't get to dig. We just got to clear

spk_0 the surface and see. But really, that's kind of where my interest comes in is like more the

spk_0 consciousness side of things. And so kind of, you know, pre-show, we were talking a little bit about

spk_0 energy at these sites, you know, and having access to them or not. Did you go, did you feel something?

spk_0 Yes. So that's, so that was my interest was really more in like meditating. I just wanted to go

spk_0 every day as soon as we would get up there. I would, I would hang out for a little bit and then

spk_0 I would just disappear. Where's Kristi or she's in the tent meditating? Okay. I was here on the

spk_0 pyramid meditation and you were sure you could find on the pyramid and she would just drop and meditate.

spk_0 Well, I want to, because Jared, the other day we were talking about the pyramids,

spk_0 this is my huge problem. When I'm in Mexico, there are so many ruins that are just partially

spk_0 excavated. That maybe one or two percent. And as you're walking down a trail or two, there's,

spk_0 you know, 200 foot pyramids that are covered in vines and dirt and stuff like that. But you know,

spk_0 they're there. And you want to get in with your shovel and start doing something, but you can't,

spk_0 because there's a process to doing it correctly so that you have a map. But I'm really curious

spk_0 to hear what you guys uncovered in this one site. I heard you both say pyramids, but Kristi,

spk_0 did you actually get a chance to see one up close? Well, yeah, we walked all over it. All over it.

spk_0 We climbed up it and multiple. Yeah. So, yeah, the pyramid mount itself, which has then multiple

spk_0 structures that are, so I guess it's a giant pyramid structure, but it has multiple peaks because it

spk_0 has multiple buildings. They come complexes because there's multiple pyramids on a level. Yeah.

spk_0 We were on multiple complexes, multiple. There's sticks officially at this site, but there's more

spk_0 in the distance and every farmer that works there, you can look in the distance for a mile.

spk_0 So I was like, well, we know that's a pyramid and that's a pyramid and that's a pyramid. You can

spk_0 just see these stand-alongs. Well, it's really fascinating is when we were at, it was either,

spk_0 it was either nemlipunin or it was lupin-tune, but one of the other already established

spk_0 ruin sites that we were at. One of the groundskeepers said that everywhere you look, he just pointed

spk_0 off, you know, in the distance and he said, everywhere you look in the jungle, he said, every couple

spk_0 of miles, there's a temple or a pyramid or and he said that he had an uncle that would every year,

spk_0 he would do this two mile hike out to this temple and he would spend a few days just with himself

spk_0 out there in the temple out in the jungle, you know. And so that's really interesting to think

spk_0 that if you live there and you're a villager local in that area and you can have that experience,

spk_0 you know, like such a sacred site that probably carries a ton of room to energy, you know.

spk_0 It's probably sits on an energy field. One of the things I thought was kind of different was that

spk_0 you got the help from local villagers to clear these sites. What was the idea behind it? Because

spk_0 that's usually not only is it expensive, but you know, it's kind of creative in a way. It's

spk_0 almost like you guys are developing your own expedition, you know, and you're saying, okay,

spk_0 this much money is going to be used for the local villagers and we got to feed them and then

spk_0 they're going to do some work and our goal is this, but before we go there, how did you get permission

spk_0 to do that? You go to, well, you befriend the mayor and the council and then you have meetings with

spk_0 them, multiple meetings before you leave. Then you go back, you bring candy. And well, then we

spk_0 and Tom and another friend of ours go, we, he and all of us go back, have another more means with

spk_0 the council and the mayor. Then we come back and then someone brings candy for all the kids.

spk_0 And then you have another community meeting and you really make sure that this is going to,

spk_0 you know, whatever everybody's concerns because you have a you, you have a very much

spk_0 socialized society that is, you know, 750 villagers that are actually voting together. They're,

spk_0 they're community green, they're not just leaving it to a council or the mayor, they are

spk_0 community green, what is going to happen with their community. They're they're actually doing it.

spk_0 It's actually functional and it works, but it's a slow process. And for us to get a letter,

spk_0 we ultimately before we went, yeah, we got approval from niche to clear the ruins to clean them.

spk_0 Oh, and it may be explained what niche is. The national and pseudo culture in history.

spk_0 This is purely a beliefs historical society of some. This is nothing happens on any ruins in

spk_0 that country without niche as approval and without their observations. So whether you're using

spk_0 their archaeologists or your own, no matter where you're from in the world, you're not working

spk_0 and believes without dealing with niche period. And so the Mayans, the village and, and yeah,

spk_0 so they you have a lot of communication that's happening. You have a lot of, these are not

spk_0 maybes. These are absolute knows and, and or yes, or maybes and they're every day.

spk_0 So they allowed you to do the cleaning and excavation, but they said no to the, to the drone.

spk_0 They said, well, the whole literally they banned drones and all of these. Oh, I can see because

spk_0 they're well right before we were headed down for this last expedition, like the cinematographer

spk_0 we were bringing with us was going to bring a drone and right before we came down,

spk_0 we were told that we could not bring the drone. Yeah, but you're out in the middle of nowhere,

spk_0 but they still have seen enough of them probably by people that are invading their land with these

spk_0 drones that they're like, no, absolutely not. Well, and I think too, they're just really protective

spk_0 over there, you know, their their heritage, their resources, you know, because you get people that

spk_0 come in and take advantage, you know, and a lot of times they don't have the resources to fight

spk_0 that. Okay. So they're, they're very protective over, you know, just as we would be, you know,

spk_0 if somebody were coming into our backyard and, you know, profiting off of our history and culture.

spk_0 I see what you're seeing. It's more like yeah, that would be difficult to, you know, like who do

spk_0 these people think they are? But Tom Elmore did get permission to have the walk along

spk_0 light our equipment. Yeah. Yeah. So we did not have permission to fly. We didn't have permission to fly.

spk_0 We had permission to walk. But let's just yeah, let's just leave it at that. Yeah. And then

spk_0 but at the same time, the rules with the rest of the government to just get to the clearing part,

spk_0 there's a lot of well, to add on the Christie's point, one of the problems is that you end up with

spk_0 a government allowing an archaeologist to come from pick anywhere in the country, anywhere in the

spk_0 world. And they find something and the village is like, well, you're going to leave it with us.

spk_0 And sadly, no, either niche takes the item because they don't have anywhere to secure it.

spk_0 Or the archaeologist themselves say we're going to be researching this. And so the village

spk_0 loses a valuable piece of its culture and history from their village, which would draw tourists and

spk_0 would draw people to them. So frequently, one of the reasons they don't want people to work

spk_0 externally is because they take what they find. And they do it within the guise of, yes, it's

spk_0 accounted for. It's it's it's it's like, hey, this is found here at the site. Niche has control of

spk_0 it. But it doesn't stay there. So it doesn't help them when they're subsistence farmers. Oh, right.

spk_0 Make a living bit to benefit. We got to jump in here in a minute and talk about RKO X in the

spk_0 second because that's the result of all your work and collaboration. But before we go there,

spk_0 what is your thinking for the future? Are you going to think of are you going to bring in a

spk_0 local university? Obviously, you got to have the archaeologist in there at some point and go.

spk_0 You got something here. This could be during this period. Oh, here's a steely, a standing stone.

spk_0 This is the king who is here. Some interpretation, I guess, is where I'm looking to to think of what

spk_0 you're what you're thinking in terms of future work. Oh, there's a lot of layers to it. One is I

spk_0 don't want to take 100 years to uncover one complex along the, you know, if we say, you know,

spk_0 the constructions, like the pyramid mountains, there's eight pyramids on this one mound and then

spk_0 it's like, okay, we've got six mounds. And then, okay, then we got 400 acres and is it 400 acres

spk_0 or 4,000? So it's the botanical, the flora and fauna, the, the layers that have built up the

spk_0 composting that have built up on the ruins. What errors are they from? So that's contemporary. But then

spk_0 the abandonment would have taken a long time for the, for the, the layers to build up. So then

spk_0 as we remove it, how do we plug it and, and, and grid it and account for that? And then there's the

spk_0 optical, well, a half a dozen forms of carbon dating, a bunch of OSL dating, and then there's, okay,

spk_0 what about the blocks themselves? Can we just not in the past, you know, you have an archaeological

spk_0 ruin and archaeologists are not engineers and they're not structural and they're not, they can

spk_0 look at something go, well, we think these, this pile of blocks should just be on this section of

spk_0 the building. But yeah, well, I'm a little more ambitious in that I'm hoping that we can come up

spk_0 with some OSL dating and maybe through some map and through looking at some of the failures of

spk_0 this structure, we might actually be able to identify one block out of a million and through

spk_0 a massive pile of puzzle actually put all of Humpty Dumpty back where it actually belongs. Like,

spk_0 actually, well, that's called, yeah, that's, that's what you're doing a consolidation. You can

spk_0 solidate a building with all the ruined stones around it. And there's no blueprints for any of

spk_0 this. I've seen some horrible reconstructions, but you do the best you can. I want to eliminate some

spk_0 of that. I want to refine the science and I'm talking about things that do not exist. I'm talking

spk_0 about, okay, I'm talking about using the math behind the different dates of the different blocks.

spk_0 Like, one block may have fallen 500 years ago, one block may have fallen a thousand years ago,

spk_0 and somehow they got twisted and turned and it's possible to actually not only put the building

spk_0 back together the way it could have been, but are we seeing the structure from the interior?

spk_0 Are there's a lot of cave systems? Right. A lot of chambered tombs. We don't know. So we have to

spk_0 identify. We have the Geonav group is capable of using systems that go to 140 to 200 feet below

spk_0 ground and they could get the systems that go four to 16 feet, 16 to 24 feet, and these different

spk_0 ground penetrating radars could identify tombs and things that we may we have to identify and work

spk_0 with and what error are those in. So there's a lot of layers as to what we do with the composited

spk_0 ground that they're using for farming. We can't take that away from them. So how do we shift through it?

spk_0 But then put it somewhere that's on flat ground so they can keep farming.

spk_0 Yeah. Christy, you may, yeah, a really interesting statement a little while ago you're saying,

spk_0 I think this is a lot older than they are documenting it or what we think is the typical scenario

spk_0 for the Maya. What's that mean to you? Are you saying that these are extremely old, which is my

spk_0 belief, my belief is that the builders of these great cities are much older than we've given them

spk_0 for. But what's your feeling? Yeah. So Cliff, you asked, you know, kind of like what's the future of

spk_0 archaeox look like? And that's sort of the foundation of what we're doing at archaeox is that we do,

spk_0 we do see and understand through, you know, our own research that maybe the historical narrative

spk_0 that has been presented is it's not necessarily been let's we don't have to say it's been

spk_0 intentionally misconstrued, but we can say that through time we've made numerous discoveries

spk_0 that contradict the history that we've been taught and but we're not updating our history, right?

spk_0 We're not updating it and matching the discoveries that we're pulling out of the earth.

spk_0 And so one of the missions that we have is through a variety of different mediums. The podcasts

spk_0 were working on a documentary. We're actually getting ready to we're in production to start a new

spk_0 podcast with with Michael Kremow actually. Michael Kremow. Yeah. So that one's going to be really

spk_0 fine. It's called the Forbidden Archaeologist. It's coming soon. So we're really excited about that

spk_0 when but really the goal of what we're doing is to is to just expand awareness around, you know,

spk_0 reality, you know, and what we currently believe to be true by sharing these like these

spk_0 just discoveries. And while we're doing it while we're out in the field doing the research,

spk_0 we're also plugging into the local communities. So when we were in Belize, we we brought water filters.

spk_0 We're looking at installing solar panels on the school there. So and bringing computers. And so

spk_0 there's different ways that we're plugging into the communities that we're working in because

spk_0 we definitely want to leave it better than we found it. Yeah. And there's lots of ways to serve. And

spk_0 I think that's part of just being in an aware conscious human being on the planet is serving.

spk_0 That matters. That you're encountering our living in substance is substance level existence.

spk_0 Yes, absolutely.

spk_0 Really quickly. Can you give us or yeah, an interpretation of what you mean by you have discovered

spk_0 items, be it artifacts or whatever that make you think these are a lot older.

spk_0 People are much better. Yeah. So a lot of the a lot of the work, a lot of the things that we talk

spk_0 about could be summed up in Kremos books. Forbidden Archaeology was was I think his most famous.

spk_0 And he in that book, he lists a ton of things that have been discovered and they're in order by date.

spk_0 One of the artifact states back to 2.8 billion years ago is called a clerk's store sphere.

spk_0 And you know, that's a pretty significant discovery that we can explain, but you know,

spk_0 these spheres they're carved. They look like they're hand carved and they're data to be 2.8 billion

spk_0 years old. Right. So how do we explain that and then indoor chester and what 1852 there was a

spk_0 stone blown apart and inside the stone was a a vase of Oz inlaid with with it had silver

spk_0 inlaids on it. So that it looked human that was dated 600 million years ago. Right.

spk_0 We're discovering these things that what we're not updating any historical records as far as human

spk_0 existence on the planet, but we have artifacts that we're pulling out of the ground that look like

spk_0 they've been manufactured by humans. And then just recently Matt Bell shared his vase collection,

spk_0 his Venetian his Venetian vase collection where it's at mean how if you if you have the inside

spk_0 of a vase that you can't put a human fingertip in, but it's so precisely the the carving on the

spk_0 inside the what's the word I'm looking for the spin the spin. Yes, the patterns on the inside.

spk_0 It's so precise. It's clearly been laid. Right. It's got to be laid. If you can't even put a finger

spk_0 in there, how could a human carpet, which shows evidence of technology? I technology advanced

spk_0 technology in a time where it's believed there was no advanced technology. So there are things in

spk_0 the record that don't match. So part of what we're trying to do here is make sense of that share

spk_0 information and then just being the field and make these discoveries and serve while we're there.

spk_0 Fantastic. I love that. All right. Tell us about RKOX podcast. I was

spk_0 understanding you guys launched it in January of this year. Give us a little background on what

spk_0 you tell us what your theme is, but how many programs have you done? I think you said every Wednesday,

spk_0 right? Yeah, we are on episode I think 29 now every Wednesday, live at eight o'clock.

spk_0 We were both out of sorts this Wednesday, so we didn't miss this Wednesday, but

spk_0 typically every every Wednesday where we're there at eight o'clock live. We talk about all kinds

spk_0 of things. We talk about consciousness. We talk about biohacking and longevity. We talk about

spk_0 archaeology, UFOs and... Oh, UFOs. Oh, all kinds of things. Actually, they're down in Belize

spk_0 all over the place. I know. You know what? So I went to a plant medicine retreat in Ecuador in 2023

spk_0 and they're over the sweat lodge. The shaman said that all the time and they looked at me like I

spk_0 was crazy when I asked the question. You guys get visited out here and they were looking at me like,

spk_0 are you really asking? That's the dumbest question ever. Of course we get visited, but they said that

spk_0 the chips would hover over the sweat lodge at the retreat center. Yes, they would just come down

spk_0 and hover. They would see it. It would just... It's normal day. Stopping at the red light.

spk_0 Yeah. Is this an ayahuasca retreat center or just... It was an ayahuasca retreat center.

spk_0 Good for you. That's another episode. We'll have to figure out what you're up to.

spk_0 Do you guys... Have you actually seen any of the artifacts that have been dug out, all the

spk_0 the loot, sort of speak, or has it just been dialogue? We know that they have

spk_0 tilted... They've looted these places and taken artifacts that are expensive.

spk_0 I've seen pictures of the actual artifacts and then I've seen actual artifacts. I've held them.

spk_0 I've seen actual artifacts. I've seen pretty stunning. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. Really stunning. Have

spk_0 you done any of that like between Egypt and wherever you've been? Years ago, before you

spk_0 throw you in jail, this was like 30 years ago in Mexico in the Yucatan, I was introduced to some

spk_0 antique dealers. But what they were doing is because there's farmers in that area too,

spk_0 the farmers would dig them up to plant a crop. And so they'd bring them to this guy. He would pay

spk_0 them and then he would sell it on eBay. And I bought a couple of pieces for 50 bucks each, but

spk_0 they're amazing. They're figurines. Now, if you're caught with them in Mexico, you're thrown in jail.

spk_0 Okay. Yeah. So it's different because you don't have the same infrastructure. Of course,

spk_0 you don't want to take stuff home. You want to try to, you know, if there's no museum to turn it

spk_0 into maybe somebody who's with a local university or something, I don't know, you know, who knows where

spk_0 what you would do. But I envy you guys because that's the unbeaten trail of archaeological digs.

spk_0 You probably could find some major sarcophadci of a noted ruler and all of a sudden,

spk_0 you have another pachal mask that you found or something, you know. Isn't that like every

spk_0 explorers dream, right? Every researcher's dream. Like, I just want to find a corpse.

spk_0 You don't think it's in the grave. Well, on that note, the ruins that we're working on,

spk_0 it's very likely that we're going to find a lot. Yeah. A lot of that. Yeah. Probably. Yeah.

spk_0 I'm looking forward to it. There's a, I wish it was just as good as we could find it and just

spk_0 do the work and document it. It's the bureaucracy around it that I am not. I can't believe it. I

spk_0 should just sit here and be excited because this is all I've ever wanted to do. All of it.

spk_0 And the extreme human antiquity of it, like specifically in Belize, there's like stonework that

spk_0 doesn't add up to just Mayan. There is energy fields. Tom's Lidar equipment with, while she was

spk_0 helping them one day, failed, would not work in one of the pyramid areas. Well, it was more than

spk_0 just one. It was not just the one that it wasn't just the active site we were working on. It was also

spk_0 at Lubin Tune when we were at that site. His Lidar equipment would not kick on. It would not pick up

spk_0 and begin sensing if we were within a certain amount of feet from the wall of the root from the

spk_0 stone. Yeah. He would have to walk away 20 or 30 feet. That's amazing.

spk_0 That's amazing. Yeah. Sensor to kick on and pick up. And then he could make his way back. But it

spk_0 would not, the sensor would not turn on if we were close to the ruins. He had to get further away.

spk_0 So it was some sort of a maybe magnetic or energetic. They're called tolloric fields. They come

spk_0 up through the ground and they build their pyramids on top of them. Yeah. And there's been a few

spk_0 people in the past that have actually began measuring them. But the problem is the archaeological

spk_0 community doesn't identify that or they don't care. Yeah. They don't, there should be a science

spk_0 behind that. Right. That's an anomaly. We need to know about. Right. Well, why they use them.

spk_0 What were the purposes? What is there? What is something around this pyramid that they

spk_0 were tracking? Was it a meditative center? Was it a driving some form of technology? We don't know.

spk_0 But I mean, there's that's not a question that is asked by the archaeological community. So

spk_0 it's up to guys like you. I think you're out. That's the to-do list. Well, there's people that

spk_0 might want to be involved with archaeo X. And if you know them, well, I love to talk off

spk_0 line. That's that's that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We love people to stick out your podcast every Wednesday.

spk_0 Just what is it? Just RKEO X and they can find it. Yeah. Yeah. YouTube or on the, we are having

spk_0 some trouble with it in real time. But the episodes are on archaeo X, RKEO X.com. You can go on the

spk_0 website, watch the video. You can go on YouTube at archaeo X or you can go on the podcast

spk_0 catchers. Facebook page. Yeah. Perfect. Before I let you go, what's the future hole? You got another

spk_0 expedition lined up. Are you collecting GoFundMe resources? What's going on? We should be. We're not.

spk_0 We should be though. So right now we're really focused on getting the TFA podcast kicked off.

spk_0 That's that's our biggest next step. And then we're working on a documentary. So

spk_0 documentary on the discovery or a documentary on extreme human antiquity and consciousness and

spk_0 consciousness. Yeah. Yeah. I just had Michael on the program that his new book, Extreme Human

spk_0 Antiquity is is kind of an offshoot of his first book for binoculars. But it's right.

spk_0 Cliff, Cliff, we hosted Chris and I hosted the webinar release for Michael with Michael. We hosted

spk_0 the release of that book for Michael. It's good. It's a good book stream human antiquity.

spk_0 So that was really fun. Yeah. It's on extremehumanantiquity.com. You can go actually watch us

spk_0 host that with Michael. But that was just a couple months ago. Yeah. That was really fun. He is a

spk_0 god. He's a mind. Yeah. Oh, he's great to talk with. Brilliant man. Yes.

spk_0 Christie, Jared, great speaking with you. Congratulations on the launch of your podcast.

spk_0 Much support for that. And let's have you back again when you're got some new photos in your

spk_0 at the top of the 250 foot pyramid looking down into. And you know, but maybe by that time,

spk_0 there'll be a name for it. Yeah. Well, we'll get the go. Fun me thing figured out too. And

spk_0 be out there. Yeah. I get a few more things. We'll come up. We'll come on soon. Besides,

spk_0 you can do a whole thing with I wasca with her. That that is a whole other, you know, I'm not there.

spk_0 Yet I have a lot of people on the podcast who speak on I wasca and people like Grim Hancock have

spk_0 done it like 70 times. You know, yeah. I'm like, I can just just the idea of it. You know, is

spk_0 something I need to consider. But I don't know. I'm not there yet. So.

spk_0 Peach their own. It's a call. Exactly. Yeah. Well, Cliff, we have to have you on at some time.

spk_0 Anytime. Anytime you want to talk, happy to, happy to speak with you. So.

spk_0 All right. Hey, great, great, connecting and let's do it again. Sounds good. Thanks for having us. Thank you.

spk_0 If you haven't figured it out by now, what we have heard is completely unusual and

spk_0 really unheard of when there is a archaeological site that is found. Usually archaeologists get involved.

spk_0 Local government is called in and there is there are permits that are requisitioned. They

spk_0 begin researching and pulling together teams. We don't know how large the site is.

spk_0 But there are wonderful images that I will post on the Facebook page.

spk_0 And trying to have them on the YouTube channel as well, I've got them late. Well, in fact,

spk_0 excuse me, they won't be on the YouTube channel. It's too late. But they will be on the Facebook

spk_0 page under special edition the archives. So. Something to consider. I've seen in Mexico. I have seen

spk_0 unexcavated pyramids that are up to 300 feet. And the Maya had no problem. They were masterful engineers

spk_0 and able to build quite elegant and impressive as well pyramids of all shapes and sizes. And by the way,

spk_0 we're going to be in Guatemala to see the world's largest pyramids at El Minador.

spk_0 I don't know if Richard Hanson is going to be there. I have to send him an email. But we

spk_0 get a chance to climb those as well. And if you've ever had an inkling to climb a pyramid,

spk_0 it is the most wonderful experience because many of them are still active. And this is something

spk_0 that is rarely discussed. The Maya were energy engineers. They understood gravitational

spk_0 Tolerix. They understood magnetism. And there's a connection between how these pyramids are laid out

spk_0 and their connection to the cosmos. In many cases, a lot of these cities were blueprints or maps

spk_0 to various constellations, meaning that one pyramid lined up with a planet, another planet,

spk_0 a line of pyramid lined up with a smaller planet and so forth and so on. There's something that's

spk_0 missing and are understanding. They are very, very sophisticated energetic engineers. And so

spk_0 there's something that we're missing when we look at these civic areas and connected to

spk_0 off-worth constellations. It's just too much to consider right now. But there is something going

spk_0 on there. So thanks to both Jared and Kristi for joining me and check out their podcast, RKO.

spk_0 RKOEX podcast is the full name every Wednesday.

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