Ranking ASOIAF Characters: GOOD or EVIL?! 😈😇 (Part 3)

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spk_0 We are here talking about song of ice and fire characters and whether they're goodies or baddies

spk_0 and whether they're lollies or caotics

spk_0 do they like to make a mess or do they like to clean it up?

spk_0 Are they holding the broom or are they more of a mop guy?

spk_0 Are they an Alfred broom?

spk_0 Do we need a third axis on this compass?

spk_0 Like we can mop mop mop broom?

spk_0 Yeah. I think scrupulousness was one of the axes we wanted to have.

spk_0 Scrupulousness.

spk_0 It's a pretty good one.

spk_0 So we're continuing a series that we started three years ago.

spk_0 Three years ago.

spk_0 And we also last updated three years ago.

spk_0 I mean there was a hot D installment from like two years ago.

spk_0 I looking back like we've got this beautiful chart on the screen that you'll

spk_0 can see.

spk_0 Looking back I actually like vehemently disagree with some of our opinions from three

spk_0 years ago.

spk_0 And don't you worry the comments section vehemently disagreed with it even more.

spk_0 I think that that's like the mark of this being a good story is that everyone has radically

spk_0 different strong opinions on which of these characters are good and evil.

spk_0 And like often they're coherent and like make sense.

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spk_0 Smart people can disagree about this story in thoughtful ways.

spk_0 Also in dumb ways.

spk_0 I think a component of that though is the format.

spk_0 The alignment compass is inherently like fraught with disagreement.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 No one agrees on how to use this thing.

spk_0 Yeah it's really difficult to apply labels like good evil lawful chaotic to like

spk_0 anything.

spk_0 Let alone the characters from the Game of Thrones books who are like defined by a lot of like moral

spk_0 complexity and political complexity.

spk_0 So yeah I mean I think that's one of the things that we learned last time was that people

spk_0 have very different opinions on what it means to be lawful versus chaotic.

spk_0 And I'm not going to claim to be the authority on that.

spk_0 That's okay.

spk_0 I'm not like a big I'm not a big guy gags guy.

spk_0 Like I haven't played a lot of D&D and I know that like we may be applying this system.

spk_0 Lawful chaotic good evil differently to how some people do.

spk_0 Yeah well there's no way to do it in the way that everyone's going to agree.

spk_0 Yeah but I think our goal is just to just have some like just figure out what's

spk_0 what's going on with some of these people and are they are they good people are they bad people

spk_0 do they make mess or are they tidy.

spk_0 The thing like we're using this system in a way it's not designed for like you're not supposed

spk_0 to use the D&D moral alignment thing to talk about characters in set fiction.

spk_0 It's to like guide your actions in a TTRPG.

spk_0 However Gary guy gags can't stop us.

spk_0 No so we're going to do it anyway.

spk_0 Welcome to the stream.

spk_0 Welcome everyone.

spk_0 This is character alignments part two.

spk_0 I think that before we jump into these new characters that we want to talk about.

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spk_0 I would like to like issue I'd like to make some redactions and some adjustments to our

spk_0 existing chart.

spk_0 The thing that really stood out to me is is Jorim Mormont.

spk_0 What's he doing at the center?

spk_0 What's he doing that close to Tom and Barathe?

spk_0 I just wouldn't let Jorim the children in general.

spk_0 So Jorim Mormont for some reason we put like in like the mildest corner of lawful evil

spk_0 when we did a stream three years ago and I think that's wrong.

spk_0 I think we could talk ourselves into any position on this if we really felt like it but the man

spk_0 sold people into slavery.

spk_0 Joris of people into slavery.

spk_0 He also is a great denarius and like caused an assassin to come to kill denarius and denarius

spk_0 is on Bournch.

spk_0 He did intervene.

spk_0 He did save denarius from the assassin and the organomet cause with his treachery, yes.

spk_0 And yeah he's like emotionally manipulating this young underage girl because he wants to have

spk_0 sex with her throughout the entire series.

spk_0 And she happens to resemble his wife who left him.

spk_0 Yes.

spk_0 He's not a good guy.

spk_0 He's done a bunch of and like the only good thing that he's like ever done is like

spk_0 helped denarius which he does for deeply impure reasons.

spk_0 So he's definitely more evil than where we have in place.

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spk_0 So like do we, I mean is he down here next to Melisandre?

spk_0 I think he's not as lawful as where painting him is being.

spk_0 What are you doing?

spk_0 He's told people into slavery and that's dark wanted to execute him because he sold people into slavery.

spk_0 Yes, so right.

spk_0 And he betrayed his untreature and switched sides.

spk_0 Yeah, he is chaotic.

spk_0 He was working within the means of Robert Braffian's edicts like you work for us and we'll

spk_0 let you back into West Racer at some point I assume was like a part of that deal but like

spk_0 that's treacherous.

spk_0 Well, just look at the wacky ass life that this guy has led.

spk_0 Like he's made some weird choices and like stuff like you know capturing Tyrion

spk_0 to try and get into Danny's good graces.

spk_0 That's not very lawful.

spk_0 Well, it's just, I mean chaotic is definitely your word I would use.

spk_0 Yeah, I think that's what makes him at least I a lot of people hate Jora entirely in the books

spk_0 and I completely understand that.

spk_0 I think he's fun in the way that he causes shit to happen.

spk_0 Oh, he's fantastic as a character.

spk_0 Because like like Daenerys we go through a process with Jora of like initially kind of trusting him

spk_0 or like he seems like a good guy but then our opinion on Jora changes dramatically as the story goes on.

spk_0 So yeah, yeah, he's chaotic evil.

spk_0 Maybe he's like over here.

spk_0 Yeah, I mean the Theon Greyjoy placement is he did have two small boys killed to frame other

spk_0 boys as being killed.

spk_0 Yeah, I think that Theon and Tyrion are both more evil than Jora.

spk_0 I mean Tyrion says a lot more heinous stuff than Joridos and Tyrion thinks a lot of evil stuff.

spk_0 What Tyrion does isn't maybe as bad as what Joridos.

spk_0 Although he does he does he does stew that singer.

spk_0 He sure does.

spk_0 Well, and he does any assaults.

spk_0 Yep, there we go.

spk_0 All right, he got there everyone.

spk_0 He figured it out.

spk_0 I didn't have to say.

spk_0 Yeah, so Tyrion is more evil than Jora.

spk_0 Yes.

spk_0 And so is Theon.

spk_0 Yeah, so I guess Jora's up here which doesn't look all that bad but like the people below him are so

spk_0 yeah, more spirits.

spk_0 This is longer with Mick people.

spk_0 Yeah, the evil end of the scale goes up pretty far.

spk_0 Yeah, Joridos, 10 times eviler than Kaiburn.

spk_0 Oh boy.

spk_0 And so on.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 Any other corrections you'd like to issue?

spk_0 I don't know what stands out for you.

spk_0 I think there's like kind of an argument for Renly being more evil than.

spk_0 I mean, he's kind of a dud.

spk_0 He's kind of a dunderhead.

spk_0 Yeah, like the reason we put all those children in the middle is because

spk_0 they're not really moral actors yet.

spk_0 Yeah, Renly's in on the children's table.

spk_0 Oh no.

spk_0 Because like, if we really hold Renly accountable for the thousands of people that he was about to have killed

spk_0 just because he wanted to steal his brothers.

spk_0 Which is unlawful.

spk_0 It's unlawful.

spk_0 And I think it's very evil.

spk_0 Yeah, yeah.

spk_0 So I think Renly, like the consequences of Renly's behaviour is very evil but I think he just genuinely is a bit of a dunderhead.

spk_0 Yeah, I think he's just not quite right enough to understand the depth of his action.

spk_0 Yeah, which I think does make him less evil.

spk_0 But that depends on your moral philosophy.

spk_0 On in a similar vein, what the hell is Robert Baratheon doing in the middle?

spk_0 Yeah, he's not in the middle.

spk_0 He's evil.

spk_0 This guy's evil.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 Not and he impregnated a how old was she when he was like in his 30s?

spk_0 And he's very young though.

spk_0 And he loved killing.

spk_0 Like, let's not mean that.

spk_0 The guy loved killing.

spk_0 And you can talk all day about how that's like part of the social order that he's in.

spk_0 He was he was exceptionally enthusiastic about war and killing.

spk_0 Ned Stark is a part of that social order and he loads like he's not happy about killing people.

spk_0 Yeah, and again, you can talk all day about like, well, if Ned does the bad violence,

spk_0 but feels bad about it, is that different?

spk_0 That we've been to the Terrians here.

spk_0 It's too early to get into that.

spk_0 Oh my god.

spk_0 But yeah, you're right.

spk_0 Robert is more evil.

spk_0 I mean, the Serious is also more evil.

spk_0 I mean, you can make the dung to head argument with him because he's clearly just unhinged.

spk_0 But he's like, you know, he, he, he threatens to murder his pregnant sister.

spk_0 And he shows no compassion for any body.

spk_0 And he has sex with slaves and like, he does a lot of bad things.

spk_0 But have you considered that I'm just a big fan of Harry Lloyd?

spk_0 Well, look, I think that's the main reason he's the highest he is.

spk_0 He's the main reason he's on any of our list.

spk_0 Oh, yeah.

spk_0 No one else cares about Viserys Targaryen.

spk_0 I'm aware of that.

spk_0 We're doing the fake Viserys.

spk_0 We've got to do it.

spk_0 All right.

spk_0 Um, he's the real one to me.

spk_0 Are there any other like retractions that we want to make here?

spk_0 I mean, I mean, Stanis really wants to burn an innocent boy.

spk_0 I feel like Stanis is further towards evil.

spk_0 Yes.

spk_0 His, um, I think on the lawful side, I think he's so pragmatic.

spk_0 Like, it's not as though he's, he says he's obsessed with the law.

spk_0 But as we sit time and time again, he bends to make things work.

spk_0 You could almost describe Stanis as a moral because like he's so, he's so like

spk_0 utilitarian and he's just like, but like he does whatever will result in the goal of him

spk_0 saving the world and getting the throne and really.

spk_0 So that's a good thing.

spk_0 He thinks that's morally good.

spk_0 But I, I feel like his motivation is less even to do with morality.

spk_0 It's more just about like duty and also it's deeply emotional with him because he feels

spk_0 slighted by his brothers.

spk_0 And it's like an emotional thing of like wanting to be appreciated and wanting to prove himself.

spk_0 Deep down, I think, I think it's got more to do with that than it's about like he cares about like

spk_0 the political order and he cares about the good of the realm.

spk_0 I feel like that's more of a justification.

spk_0 I mean, we're going deep into like psychoanalyzing a non-POV character here.

spk_0 But I perhaps the most complicated non-POV that there is.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 So I like, I think he's he's lightly lawful.

spk_0 I think he's a little more evil what with all the burning people alive.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 It's kind of hard to get past that.

spk_0 And you know what he does hang the on-grade or T-WOW spoilers,

spk_0 sample chapter spoilers.

spk_0 He hangs the on-grade way up like in the crucifix.

spk_0 He tortures.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 And also like he is Melisandre's patron and Melisandre is not a good person, you know.

spk_0 And like she has her own religious justifications for what she does,

spk_0 but she burns a lot of people.

spk_0 Well Rob Stark is Rus Bolton's patron, so how far are we going to draw this?

spk_0 Well, that's different though, because Rus was the Lord of the Dread for

spk_0 Yeah, right.

spk_0 No matter what.

spk_0 Well, it's sort of just accepted Melisandre and

spk_0 Sternis went way out of his way to get a human sacrifice.

spk_0 He's also that Rossiworth's patron.

spk_0 That's true.

spk_0 And you know, did half the onion is rotten?

spk_0 Yeah, it has been said, the deep irony of Melisandre's speech

spk_0 in Clashelstorm when she's saying storm, when she's saying there's no such thing

spk_0 as moral ambiguity.

spk_0 Everyone is either good or evil.

spk_0 There is no one between.

spk_0 So funny, which is hilarious because Melisandre and

spk_0 Sternis are some of the most morally gray complicated characters in the series.

spk_0 So it's funny to hear Melisandre say that of all people.

spk_0 Does the chat think we need to move anyone?

spk_0 Who cares what chat thinks?

spk_0 I love you chat.

spk_0 Yeah, is there anything else that desperately needs fixing in this chart currently?

spk_0 Probably and I'm just glazing over it.

spk_0 I feel like Geo Mormon belongs a little bit in the dunderhead category.

spk_0 Absolutely.

spk_0 Well, it sounds like that's a different dimension.

spk_0 And like, Barrestons, like, went out of his way for the mad king.

spk_0 But I think, you know, that's why he's not.

spk_0 There's an argument to be made that in the same capacity,

spk_0 well, not the same capacity, but in a different way.

spk_0 Brienne even is a bit of a dunderhead in that like she's very good and very lawful.

spk_0 But is it because of like some principle it is because of principle?

spk_0 Is it because of like has she thought all of that through is what I'm getting at?

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 Someone in the live chat,

spk_0 Kaiser says that Joffrey is chaotic.

spk_0 I think that's true, isn't it?

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 Like he does weird stuff like like shooting crossbows at peasants recreationally.

spk_0 Not very lawful.

spk_0 Like I think we talked about how like, you know, Joffrey's the king.

spk_0 He is the law in a way, you know, but still like his behavior

spk_0 in general is and like, you know,

spk_0 a trend to say a brand is law, what a king says or is law an established social order.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 So again, we're tap dancing on the precipice of deep moral philosophical rabbit holes here.

spk_0 But yeah, we can edge Joffrey a little more chaotic, I think.

spk_0 Okay.

spk_0 All right.

spk_0 Well, do you want to discuss some new characters to put on?

spk_0 Sure.

spk_0 The chart.

spk_0 Now that we've done all that.

spk_0 Uh, so how about we talk about Alisa Thorn?

spk_0 The Thorn in John's side.

spk_0 The Thorn identity.

spk_0 Who is Alisa Thorn?

spk_0 Now in the Thorn Ultimatum.

spk_0 He's the disgruntled Jim coach of Castle Black.

spk_0 Yeah, he who takes it out on all of his students.

spk_0 I think one of the bad things that Alisa does is he encourages

spk_0 Sam Talley to be beaten mercilessly and bullied, which is which is which is pretty awful.

spk_0 I think it's quite plain to see that Alisa Thorn is not a good person.

spk_0 Yeah, I agree.

spk_0 I think something important to note is that, you know, in the TV show,

spk_0 Alisa Thorn is one of the people who betrays and stabs John's side.

spk_0 Is there a main instigator of the conspiracy?

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 But in the books, Alisa is absent.

spk_0 Isn't that what happens?

spk_0 And Alisa does not seem to participate in that.

spk_0 He is like a crony or he is like a buddy of General Slint and stuff.

spk_0 But Alisa has not betrayed...

spk_0 Well, Alisa does try to get John Killed when he sends him out to the wildlings and stuff.

spk_0 Like, is that evil?

spk_0 Is it evil that Alisa opposes John and tries to get John Killed?

spk_0 You're going to hate this, but it depends on your point of view.

spk_0 Yeah, that's the thing.

spk_0 I think from Alisa's point of view, John Killed...

spk_0 A whole lot like a traitor.

spk_0 Absolutely.

spk_0 It's pretty reasonable for Alisa to think that John is a problem who's going to sell them out.

spk_0 I mean, keep in mind, like, the Night Swatch had Man's Rader in the Night Swatch

spk_0 and then Man's defected to the wildlings and became the biggest threat to the Night Swatch.

spk_0 And John has defected to the wildlings and come back and said,

spk_0 no, no, no, no, no, I've been Night Swatch all along.

spk_0 So given how much of a threat Man's Rader is, it makes perfect sense

spk_0 that the Night Swatch is going to be really eyes peeled for future traders like Man.

spk_0 So John, it makes sense to be very, very suspicious of John.

spk_0 We have John Snow up in the top left corner there as lawful good,

spk_0 but from Alisa's point of view, he is definitely chaotic evil.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 I don't even know if John should be that lawful.

spk_0 Maybe he should be a bit more chaotic.

spk_0 Because I mean, you know, letting the wildlings through.

spk_0 And like, John Snow, I think that we got him there

spk_0 like through the argument of by his own moral code.

spk_0 It was like absolutely in line.

spk_0 Marrying a Siga on to the Karl stock.

spk_0 What's that name?

spk_0 The Karls Karls Karl stock.

spk_0 That's pretty chaotic.

spk_0 I mean, it's using the law in a chaotic way.

spk_0 I don't know.

spk_0 I feel like shifting.

spk_0 I think it's a bit like Stan, not as much as Stan,

spk_0 as Stan is obviously.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 It does a bit more outside the law.

spk_0 But John is willing to bend convention.

spk_0 Well, that's a hilarious thing about John and Stanis is that

spk_0 they really butt heads constantly,

spk_0 but in so many ways they're alike.

spk_0 Stanis is such a great dad in John's story.

spk_0 Yeah, so many dads.

spk_0 Alisa is one of them.

spk_0 But Stanis is probably my favorite.

spk_0 A song of dads and dirties.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 So, yeah, so Alisa is evil.

spk_0 I don't think he's very, very evil.

spk_0 Just because of like compared to some of the other pieces of work,

spk_0 we've got down there.

spk_0 Yeah, like when you're on Greyjoy is involved,

spk_0 Alisa Thorne can't be that evil.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 Is he's lawful?

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 He was loyal to the Targaryens.

spk_0 And he was sent to the watch and he stayed there the whole time.

spk_0 Yeah, he was loyal to the Night's Watch.

spk_0 I think that it is a little bit

spk_0 fucky the way that Alisa tries to like frame John, you know.

spk_0 Like it's done in a bit of a sneaky roundabout way

spk_0 and with his sort of like plots with General Slynda.

spk_0 So he's not above politics.

spk_0 Yeah, I would say that he's like lightly lawful, lightly evil.

spk_0 Near Stanis.

spk_0 Yeah, isn't that funny.

spk_0 The evil is kind of like different.

spk_0 Like Alisa's evil is a bit petty,

spk_0 whereas Stanis is evil is burning children to save the world.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 It's kind of a different kettle of fish.

spk_0 But I agree he's like in that area, I think.

spk_0 Let's put him in those two cages next to each other.

spk_0 Yeah, there are some strange bedfellows in this shop to be sure.

spk_0 Hope he's happy there next to Quentin Martell.

spk_0 People in the live chat are asking, how are we defining evil?

spk_0 It's like, how long have you got?

spk_0 This is a mostly vibes based ethical analysis, I think.

spk_0 I think that if you murder people, you're evil.

spk_0 I think if you enjoy hurting people, you're evil.

spk_0 I think if you risk your own well-being for the well-being of others, you're good.

spk_0 If you value peace and prosperity, you're injustice, you're good.

spk_0 Jon Snow and Edd Stark murder people.

spk_0 We're in murders, people.

spk_0 Well, the word murder implies outside the bounds of the law.

spk_0 I'm doing a bit of stretching there.

spk_0 But like obviously that's like one of the key themes of the story is

spk_0 how do you be moral in an immoral political order?

spk_0 Which is one of the questions of our times.

spk_0 It's one of the questions of all times, I think.

spk_0 Yes.

spk_0 So none of these answers are going to be simple.

spk_0 Want to talk about Bowen Marsh?

spk_0 Okay.

spk_0 Who's Bowen Marsh?

spk_0 Bowen Marsh.

spk_0 So if Alice is the disgruntled Jim coach, Bowen Marsh, he's like the careers.

spk_0 He's been there for like 40 years and he's the only one who knows how like the ex-self spreadsheet

spk_0 works and he like organizes the inventory in the station recovered.

spk_0 And he puts a lot of attention into color coding the sticky notes and alphabetically arranging the

spk_0 the paper clips.

spk_0 And occasionally he'll kill the headmaster.

spk_0 And occasionally.

spk_0 Well, I mean that's what's cool about Bowen Marsh, right?

spk_0 Is it that he kills people?

spk_0 Well, it's cool that he like all he really wants to do is keep his head down.

spk_0 Yeah, yeah.

spk_0 He does not want to do anything.

spk_0 Yes, he's a career bureaucrat.

spk_0 But he risks everything and does this extreme outrageous act of stabbing John Snow

spk_0 and betraying his little commander, which he doesn't want to do,

spk_0 but which he feels he must do to protect the institution that is his life.

spk_0 And Bowen has a lot of good reasons to feel that way.

spk_0 Because John lets the wildlings through and then John gives that speech in the

spk_0 shield hole saying, I'm going to break my oath and ride to Winterfell and fight Ramsey with

spk_0 wildlings and possibly with Knights Watchburn.

spk_0 I'm like basically just just destroying every tenant of the institution.

spk_0 Like Bowen has every right to kill John.

spk_0 Every right.

spk_0 It's almost his obligation to kill John given that the Lord Commander is breaking all the rules

spk_0 of the world.

spk_0 Lawful good put him next to Brian.

spk_0 That's a thing like he's like his vibes are extremely lawful,

spk_0 but he does this extremely kind of extremely unlawful thing by stabbing John.

spk_0 I mean, look, if he put John Snow on trial and then had John executed through some kind of

spk_0 like legalistic process, that would be fine.

spk_0 Well, it's sort of coming up against Charles the second thing here, aren't we?

spk_0 Who has the right to trial the king?

spk_0 Yeah, but I mean like the way that he killed John was a chaotic way, like stabbing him while

spk_0 a giant is providing a distraction at the end of dance. I mean, that's chaos.

spk_0 Not lawful.

spk_0 Yeah, and the way it's done is it certainly looks like it's supposed to cause a cuffuffle.

spk_0 Yeah, I mean, that's that's what's weird about that plot is that Bowen,

spk_0 um, Bowen surely knows that he's going to die because John Snow just gave this speech and

spk_0 and thousands or hundreds of wildlings were cheering for him and then personally loyal to John.

spk_0 Like John just established that all these people are willing to fight and die by his side

spk_0 and then Bowen goes up and openly in front of everyone stabs John.

spk_0 So Bowen must know that he's probably about to be torn apart by Baroque the Boer,

spk_0 which like is self-sacrificing, right? I think that's incredibly brave and incredibly self-sacrificing.

spk_0 The Bowen is willing to risk his life like that for what he believes in. Believe it or not,

spk_0 I've never actually thought about the nice for John, um, from Bowen's perspective that much

spk_0 and it's such a complicated action that's crazy. Yeah, I don't think we've ever talked about

spk_0 the logistics time wise of John's assassination. Like do you think that Bowen had planned that

spk_0 in advance of the shield hall meeting or was it they got out of the hall and Bowen was like,

spk_0 okay, we have to do this right now. Yeah, I think that like obviously I don't think Bowen was

spk_0 planning to kill John at that time. Yeah, if he had a better opportunity, like maybe it was like an

spk_0 I'd so much thing where they were trying to plan something a bit cleaner, something like symbolic and

spk_0 representative of the movement to get rid of who they view as a tyrant. Yeah. But because of the

spk_0 way politics was progressing, the situation was getting out of hand too quickly. They had to do

spk_0 something messier than they otherwise would have. Yeah. And of course, John's assassination is so

spk_0 obviously a mirror to Julius Caesar's assassination. Yeah. So that makes sense. Yeah, I think that

spk_0 like what's cool about Bowen's story is that it's a very gradual buildup. And Bowen does exactly

spk_0 the right thing by coming up to John and saying, hey, Lord Commander, I have concerns. I'm concerned

spk_0 that if you let all the wildlings over the wall, like they will probably kill us, like, you know,

spk_0 the weeper is an evil torture or murder or mutilator we shoot. Well, like we maybe we can let some

spk_0 wildlings through, but we shouldn't let the evil raiders like the weeper through. But John's

spk_0 now says, yeah, now we're letting everyone through it even the weeper. So Bowen's like, he tried

spk_0 to negotiate, but John insisted on the most extreme cause of action. And then Bowen's like, all right,

spk_0 here's another concern. We don't have enough food. We don't have enough food to feed just the

spk_0 night's watch. Let's let the Kingsmen, the Queensmen, all the wildlings. What are you talking about,

spk_0 John? And John's nose like, no, it'll be fine. And then John's nose goes off and secure as a

spk_0 loan from Bravoss. And he actually makes a deal to buy food, but he doesn't tell Bowen that the guy

spk_0 who's supposed to like, yeah, he doesn't tell the food guy that he bought a bunch of food. So as far

spk_0 as Bowen knows, John's plan is still for everybody to starve. So John sort of is acting like a dictator.

spk_0 Yeah, look, I mean, that's the tragedy of John's no-indance is that he's doing, he's making

spk_0 incredibly heroic choices, incredibly creative and smart choices to try to save the world. But John

spk_0 fails to communicate adequately and he fails to play politics adequately. And that's why he gets

spk_0 killed by his own men. So from Bowen's perspective, I think that his choice to assassinate John

spk_0 is super reasonable. That sounds weird. I think it's super reasonable. And I think that,

spk_0 you know, I do think that he was planning to assassinate John later in a more like controlled

spk_0 safe way. But like when John unexpectedly made that shieldhole speech and said he was riding

spk_0 south to fight Ramsay, Bowen had a choice where it's like, oh shit, we've got to move the timeline

spk_0 up a bit. We've either got to kill him now or let John ride off. And you know, it may have been

spk_0 in Bowen's personal interests to just let John ride off, right? Because if John left and the

spk_0 wildlings left, Bowen could just control the night's watch and like restore some semblance of

spk_0 normality at the time. Maybe they'll all die fighting for Winterfell. And then the problem is just

spk_0 dealt with itself. Yeah, so I think that if Bowen was cowardly and if Bowen was selfish, he would

spk_0 have just let John ride south. But the fact that Bowen went out of his way and risked everything to

spk_0 kill John, I think indicates that Bowen was really acting for his beliefs and really believed that John

spk_0 must die for the good of the night's watch. Because like the other concern is that if the Lord

spk_0 Commander of the Night's Watch attacks the warden of the North and the Bolton's, then the Bolton's

spk_0 will probably come up and wipe out the night's watch. Like that's one of the concerns. And also,

spk_0 Bowen Marsh got a letter from Tywin Lannister that was like talking about how like the, like

spk_0 implying that the night's watch will only get support if the night's watch chooses Janos as a

spk_0 Lord Commander. So like the Bowen also has that on his mind that like the King's family is

spk_0 demanding loyalty and doesn't want John. So like there's a whole lot of context that makes Bowen

spk_0 decision making makes sense to me. But is it good? Is it lawful? I think stabbing your boss.

spk_0 Yeah. Out of the blue. It's not lawful. I think that Bowen's personality and his vibe, like

spk_0 here's the thing, if Bowen was a schema, if he was a smart plotter schema chaotic guy, he could have

spk_0 pulled off John's assassination in a smarter sneaker way. Yeah, this is a like regular guy has

spk_0 been pushed to some limit. It's the, this is a compromising action for him. It's not a part of his

spk_0 moral framework. Yes, it's like, it's like a defining moment, but it's an out of character moment.

spk_0 Like this is this is the first time in his life, Bowen has ever done anything that wasn't scheduled

spk_0 on an MS team's meeting five days in advance. Like that's what this kind of guy is. This is the

spk_0 first time he's ever been impulsive in his life, and it's probably going to get him killed. So

spk_0 when do we put him? I don't know what to put him. Well, yeah, like for the most of his life, it sounds

spk_0 like this guy's quite lawful and sort of good. Yeah. And then in the last moment, he does

spk_0 something chaotic and questionably good, slat evil, depending on how you feel about things.

spk_0 Isn't that isn't that a trip? Isn't that real? Like you can live your whole life operating by a

spk_0 certain set of principles and a certain decision making flow chart, but like the one day that you

spk_0 do something out of the ordinary and extreme, that could be what defines you forever, even if it's

spk_0 completely out of your usual lines of it. It's been 40 years making shoes and no one blinks an

spk_0 eye, but you know, you're fuck one sheep. And suddenly that's all you're ever known for. Yeah,

spk_0 you're the sheep, fucker. Yeah. No, it's true. Yeah. Look, I feel like you could make an argument

spk_0 that he's like in the middle. Let's just make him the size that just put him behind everyone else,

spk_0 make him actually the background of the compass. Yeah, he's just like the transparent like over the

spk_0 whole thing. I feel like like people might think I'm crazy. I feel like he's leaning good.

spk_0 Like because he I because I believe he genuinely believes that everything he's doing is for the

spk_0 greater good or at least for the good of the institution that he's given his life to. Yep.

spk_0 I mean, I mean, Bowen does sort of define himself by refusing to save the wildlings and he does say

spk_0 some pretty harsh stuff about no, let the women and children wildlings die. Yeah, that's not

spk_0 good. Good. Like it's it's sort of an understandable perspective, but I mean it's also, you know,

spk_0 it's also like racist is sort of or at least like it's against the wildling people. Like he is

spk_0 further along the lawful like maybe just above Stanis. That's where I would put him.

spk_0 Yeah, yeah, just for lack of room in the center. Yeah. Yeah, okay. I'm pretty heavy with that.

spk_0 It's conversations like this that leave us landing people in the weird places. Like because

spk_0 like all these positions on the chart, what we're not seeing here is the half hour we spent

spk_0 talking about Jorah Mormons, right? Yeah, it really needs a whole bunch of little dot points

spk_0 next to each other. Yeah, every single one of these needs an asterisk. Yeah, it's all asterisies.

spk_0 It's asterisies all the way down. Roose Bolton, however. Roose Bolton, famous good guy,

spk_0 Roose Bolton. The loose goose himself. The looser of the geese. How do you feel about Roose Bolton?

spk_0 I don't know, Bella Burglitz had a Roose Bolton. That's awesome. Yeah, isn't great. Hell yeah.

spk_0 I think Roose Bolton is an upstanding gentleman. I think he's a fellow of the highest regard.

spk_0 I really like the contrast between Roose and Ramsay because Ramsay is more like in your face

spk_0 with how evil he is. Ramsay does the most cartoonishly evil stuff. And I mean, look, I think one of

spk_0 the aspects of Ramsay that didn't really make it to the TV show is that Ramsay's a trickster

spk_0 and he's cunning in the books like he takes on fake identities and he pretends to be

spk_0 rich and re-predeense of him and he swaps things around and he's a lot more sneaky. But he still

spk_0 does like these monstrously evil things in everyone's face. Whereas Roose's whole thing is that he's

spk_0 like, I keep my amusements to myself. I'm discreet with my amusements. And there's a lordly vampire.

spk_0 Yeah. Yeah. He's like a vampire who appears to be like this well groomed aristocrat in a spooky castle

spk_0 who it's like you don't actually see him murdering anybody except for Rob Stock.

spk_0 But you know he's doing it. Yeah. So it's this funny thing where there's a longer list of evil

spk_0 things that Ramsay does than Roose. But I mean, there's still some pretty bloody evil things

spk_0 that we know Roost does. But like it feels like Roost may have done more evil than Ramsay has. We

spk_0 just don't know about it, you know. Especially given that he's several centuries old. He's had a

spk_0 lot more time. Are you a fan of the Roost Bolton is a vampire stuff? I'm a fan that that theory

spk_0 exists. And I certainly pick up on the you know accusation that Roost Bolton strongly was like

spk_0 George has written vampire stories before. Roost Bolton is like it's quite a cool parallel to

spk_0 vampire stories what Roost Bolton is. And you know the first time we see him is being leached.

spk_0 I love that scene where Ramsay where Roost is like reclining in like Harren Hall and he's

spk_0 lying naked with leeches all over him while he's sitting in like the boardroom having a meeting

spk_0 with all of these like counselors and his lords and stuff. It's like that's such like a power move

spk_0 to just be naked on the boardroom. We're like no docks doing that in the 70s. I assume he does that

spk_0 all the time. That's when he gets he's a dreamer crew him injected I think. Okay.

spk_0 I think I think Roost might be a bad guy. He betrays and murders Rob Stark. He assaults women.

spk_0 He's like he secretly does the right first night. Yeah. And it's implied that he does that a lot.

spk_0 And also like Roost keeps Ramsay around when Ramsay is such a monster and Roost like complains

spk_0 about some of the evil things that Ramsay does but like he doesn't say don't do evil things.

spk_0 He says be more sneaky about the evil things that you do. So the very fact that he tolerates

spk_0 Ramsay's evil is itself incredibly evil. And like Ramsay is not winning any doubt of the year

spk_0 awards either. Like the like Ramsay's yeah the way that Ramsay grew up is not a glowing review

spk_0 of Roost's qualities as a father. Don Rick got sent away. That must have been great for him

spk_0 until he died. Yeah. Don Marie Bolton is interesting. Was Don Rick the only tree-borne child of

spk_0 Roost? I believe that's the extent of our knowledge. Yeah the only one that we're aware of.

spk_0 And Don Rick Bolton was apparently a decent guy but he got seemingly murdered by Ramsay.

spk_0 And like Roost seems like weirdly okay with that. There's a lot of mystery about Roost. Yeah.

spk_0 There's some credulity to the idea that Ramsay isn't even Roost's son. Yeah you into that.

spk_0 Dad's been a long time since I've heard that. I think it's a I think it's a PJ original and

spk_0 untitledly sure though. PJ O. Yeah. I think that like we talk a lot about how George is a mystery writer

spk_0 and a horror writer and we talk a lot about how George is a master of what he doesn't tell us

spk_0 and he's great at like hinting and implying stuff without explaining it and that is what is so

spk_0 engaging about his mysteries and his horror. And I think that everything about Roost is so much

spk_0 of it is about suggestion and implication. Like all of the vampire stuff which is just all vibes

spk_0 based which causes people to construct these elaborate theories about skin-swapping white walk

spk_0 of vampires and stuff. So it's you know it's there's a lot we don't know but based on what we do know

spk_0 he's monstrously evil. He's a very evil person. He's monstrously evil and he breaks a lot of

spk_0 laws. He has like the veneer as we said he's a Lordly aristocrat pampered and proper. He has the

spk_0 appearance of lawfulness but everything he does is like just stows chaos. He breaks the laws

spk_0 read aside. He kills his king. He participates at the breaking of guest right at the red

spk_0 wedding and treachery and so and who knows what he's planning at Winterfell. There's all the lies

spk_0 that he does like sending Robert Glover and Helm and Tallheart to Diet Duskendale and all of

spk_0 that like sneaky shenanigans he does at Rob's campaign. I forget does he know that Jane Paul is

spk_0 Arya. I'm pretty sure he does. Certain that Rousse knows that Jane Paul is not the real Arya.

spk_0 So yeah I agree he like wears the image of being lawful but he's in fact chaotic. He's a

spk_0 demon. He's a absolute monster. I think that he's not all the way in the corner like you're wrong.

spk_0 He's not you're ungray joy. But he's pretty close. Yeah he's pretty close. I would say like I

spk_0 feel like if if we learned more about what Rousse has a hat or a bun. Yeah for real like I think

spk_0 that the stuff that Rousse gets up to in the dread fort might might be beyond our wildest

spk_0 imaginings but as yet we're not we're not super sure about all of that. Is he eviler than Peter

spk_0 Baylish? Peter Baylish caused the war. Yeah I mean look Peter was vibing like he didn't like I

spk_0 mean yes he caused the war but did he know that lying about the cat's pause dagger was going to

spk_0 cause everything that it didn't know. He didn't know. I think he wanted to. I think he wanted the

spk_0 water happen. He just came out. He's a lot higher. He wanted to he doesn't say that in the books.

spk_0 I don't know they're confused. He doesn't say that in the books either. Oh I think that little

spk_0 finger is just like he's just improvising. He's just like make he's a jazz musician like little I

spk_0 mean look he is evil. He is he is evil. He is terrible. But like he's like so. He's like

spk_0 and he and he like grooms and so and he's collecting children. Yeah. Not imagine all the sex

spk_0 trafficking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Look look he's in the far evil corner which is where he belongs. I

spk_0 I don't think that he has quite the flair for the metaphysical level evil like Yerondas.

spk_0 But I mean yeah I agree he's a good comparison to roots like maybe

spk_0 roots and little finger belong together. Maybe that's what yeah that's my next year.

spk_0 What's their what's their ship name? Roost here. P2's I think it's P2's little little

spk_0 roots. Roost finger. Little Roost finger. Van Pier. All right. Little Dracula. They can be they can

spk_0 be thousands of evil. So do you think Roost first of all Roost Bolton's gonna die by end of

spk_0 stories run? Oh yeah. Yeah. Hopefully. Do you think do you think George wants to kill Roost

spk_0 with a stakes of the heart? That would be awesome. Now that you say that that would be awesome.

spk_0 Do you think that Ramsey will kill Roost like in the TV show? I think it could be Fihon.

spk_0 How would he get back into Winterfell? I keep trying to write Fihon into these epic revenge

spk_0 situations but it's just not really tentable. I think I think your Alfie Allen crush almost

spk_0 rivals your Harry Lloyd. That is an astute observation. Something jumping back to Alice briefly like

spk_0 because it is fun to speculate on how these characters stories will end in the books as well

spk_0 because like thank god it's fun to speculate it's all we've had. I know. So last we heard of Alice

spk_0 John sent Alice a rough on a mission ranging with a few other parties of ranges and Alice is like

spk_0 you're gonna get me killed and John's like no I go off and do the ranging mate and then Alice

spk_0 says all right screw you I'm coming back I'm gonna come back and then John thinks I've sent out

spk_0 eight good men and Alice and and what kind of man is Alice are gonna turn out to be so that's

spk_0 like the last we hear of Alice in the books is John thinking huh I wonder if Alice is gonna pull

spk_0 through I wonder if Alice is gonna be some horrible traitor or if he's gonna actually be for the good

spk_0 I do love the idea that in the end he's loyal to the Lord Commander. Yeah I think it would be really

spk_0 cool and interesting if ultimately Alice like he's never like a good guy he's always a dick he's

spk_0 always bitter and he's always cruel but if he ultimately dies loyal to the watch and loyal to L.C. John

spk_0 despite everything that's gone down between them that would be interesting a lot of things would

spk_0 be interesting yeah and I and I also like the idea that Alice and I participate in some great

spk_0 ranging north with John snow to do whatever white walkish shenanigans he has to do but unlikely allies

spk_0 yeah I think that would be I think I would be cool cool and rad um for all these comparisons

spk_0 between book and show I do want to like just say that I'm Owen Neal's is that his name I think

spk_0 it is Owen Neal's Alice a thorn I love I love him so much I think he's great it's a great performance

spk_0 and like it's quite it's a different character yeah in a lot of regards and I still think it's

spk_0 quite good and as we've said we enjoy what they did in the Game of Thrones TV show where Alice is

spk_0 heroic at the battle for the wall and he has a moment of grudging respect yeah John again it's

spk_0 fun to see those unlikely allies and it'll be cool to see that play out in the book as well yeah

spk_0 agreed okay uh how do you feel about Ramsey Bolton I think that Ramsey Bolton might be the second

spk_0 most evil person in the entire story yeah yeah he really seems determined to just be as evil and to

spk_0 do he just loves being evil he's also like very creative about it like the level of like

spk_0 psychological and physical disfigurement that he inflicts upon not only the on but others as well

spk_0 is impossible to overstate I mean like there's you know because I'm sure everyone's familiar with like

spk_0 the the TV show depiction of Ramsey where he you know he tortures and he murders but in the books

spk_0 it's even more grisly some of the things that he does which which includes like hunting and

spk_0 raping women in the woods for sport and he names all of his hunting dogs after the women who

spk_0 he has murdered and he also does this stuff with like Lady D'Nello Hornwood where he'd like

spk_0 forcibly marries Lady D'Nello Hornwood's style of land star's ear to the point of her eating

spk_0 herself yes and his torture of theon is even more grisly in the books than it is in the show this

spk_0 is the sort of evil that unites an entire culture for generations yeah which is why

spk_0 Rousse is so pissed off you know and and he's like there's nothing like a lot of the characters in

spk_0 a song of ice and fire like they do evil but in like a complex way or in like they have redeeming

spk_0 aspect or they have like a philosophy behind it push a child out a window but you know you've got

spk_0 a really great arc later on yeah Ramsey is not like Ramsey does not have justifications for what he

spk_0 does like I think that there are questions to be asked around like you know I wonder what some

spk_0 of the influences were on Ramsey what produced this thing yeah I like it's interesting what Rousse says

spk_0 like Rousse says that like the evil is in Ramsey's blood it's because of his bastard he it's because

spk_0 he's not getting leachings and stuff but like I wonder like you know I doubt the scientific efficacy

spk_0 of those statements yeah citation needed so yeah I agree with you Ramsey's among the absolute

spk_0 most evil for sure and I suppose he's he's very much on the chaotic end because he breaks rules

spk_0 and he improvises like all the whole thing that happens in book two when Ramsey is disguised as

spk_0 reek and he's manipulating theon and he's like the devil on theon's shoulder telling him to murder

spk_0 those millers boys and stuff is is pretty incredible and dark and it's amazing seeing Ramsey like

spk_0 guide theon down the path of moral evil yeah and making theon feel like he has no choice and then

spk_0 ultimately betraying theon and framing theon for the burning of Winterfell and burning smile at

spk_0 the wonderful horse he was supposed to you know deliver Winterfell back to the starks and he destroyed

spk_0 yeah it's it's really cunning and creative and scared and so evil yeah so eve do you think that

spk_0 uron is more creatively evil do you think Ramsey would think of now if I get the cracking

spk_0 to fuck the dragon yeah most of the like I if Ramsey knew about the possibilities of like

spk_0 magic and blood sacrifice like I think I think he's maybe too dumb or ignorant to grasp that

spk_0 stuff like I think that uron is smarter than Ramsey he's certainly more aware than Ramsey yeah I

spk_0 think that like if Ramsey could do the things that uron does he would I mean I don't know if he could

spk_0 pull them off like like I mean some of the evil things that like uron does like you know cutting off

spk_0 yet praise legs and then feeding them to his friends pretty Ramsey like burning the eyes out of

spk_0 those priests and tying his bra and also the he assaults his own brothers if you told me Ramsey

spk_0 did those things I would completely believe you yeah yeah they both have such a colorful laundry

spk_0 list of atrocities that they've committed it's sort of hard to compare them but look that they

spk_0 yeah they deserve each other in that far far corner of the ship name uh Ramron wow that's

spk_0 awful yeah I hate it crow snow sounds like a Harry Potter fanfic I read crow snow snow um because he's

spk_0 bastard um snow I patch bastard you want to talk about small pole I want to add to our

spk_0 soundboard ima d'Asi saying those bastards oh that's great from the evio

spk_0 yeah that was so fun those bastards uh do you want to talk about small pole I'd love to talk

spk_0 about small pole I was so happy that you let me put this on the list I honestly you're gonna have

spk_0 to remind us all who small Paul what do you mean well he's the he's the zombie who Sam has to kill

spk_0 yeah well before that he's a he's a his a gentle giant sort of trope um I consider him something of

spk_0 a hodore echo um he's not quite as um disabled as hodore um

spk_0 in that he can say more than just his name but he is way too strong he doesn't know his strength

spk_0 is the sort of vibe he I love this detail that he like really wants moments he's on board with

spk_0 chess conspiracy to mutiny at the fist um but he seems to be in it because he wants moments raven

spk_0 yeah yeah he's he's a big fan of the raven he's like I want to take care of this raven and it's

spk_0 adorable yeah I remember that is so cute and that doesn't pan out because chess conspiracy fails

spk_0 um and the fight of the fist happens and small pole does die while protecting Sam and grain

spk_0 um and then later on I think after the mutiny it crashes is it um when the dead roll through

spk_0 pole is the white that Sam has to fight off and uh he learns the dragon verse doesn't kill

spk_0 whites but fire does yeah yeah well I mean that is that is such a morally complicated question is

spk_0 like is this like intellectually limited person who participates in a treasonous plot because he

spk_0 wants a pet bird like where do we put that in manual calms like well how do we rank that

spk_0 I don't equip for this one Ali like it's it's wrong to participate in treason and the

spk_0 plot against jail but I mean I mean the other like was let's not wrong to participate in treason

spk_0 yeah yeah well that's the thing is that I think we've talked about how Lord Commander Jeyo

spk_0 Mormont is making a really bad decision he's a dumb dumb he's a dumbed ahead it was really dumb

spk_0 of Jeyo to take all the night's watch strength away from the wall which is like they're one

spk_0 advantage against the wildlings and against the white walkers and like Jeyo's bad decision-making

spk_0 leads to like a crippling blow against the night's watch on the first and they're still

spk_0 reeling from that so like yeah like I agree like for similar reasons for why Ned and Robert

spk_0 betrayed yeah was chat wrong I mean chat's motivations were completely selfish but like was

spk_0 overthrowing Dior a bad idea I don't think so yeah yeah I I mean it's similar to like uh

spk_0 uh last and John yeah Bowen's perspective bringing down John and like to a lesser extent like

spk_0 you know Ned and Robert bringing down Aries you know and one of the stories of the night's watch

spk_0 bringing that I think the only other story of the night's watch bringing down its own Lord Commander

spk_0 was completely justified in the night's king I mean this is American literature and like the

spk_0 founding myth of America is that great time that we've rebelled against our rulers and it was

spk_0 awesome and justified like that is like Americans love that shit so that's like part of the context

spk_0 here they put all the tea and the ocean and stuff it was awesome it was awesome you guys

spk_0 you should have been it's not an it's not an anti-treason story it's not an anti-rebellion

spk_0 story have you seen Star Wars that's the other great American myth yeah they love rebellious

spk_0 they're all about them so uh yeah I mean was Small Pole heroically Rebelly I think the thing is

spk_0 that Small Pole is not cognizant of any of these complexes no he's been told that there's an

spk_0 opportunity to get rid of Mormon anything so I could have the bird I could have a feathered friend

spk_0 oh there might be a bit more to his motivations by far remember it's Small Pole what do you

spk_0 want from me well of course have you considered that blood raven was in fact manipulating Small Pole

spk_0 through J.O.S. Raven and of course we were achieved the great corn spurious yeah we're blood raven

spk_0 just once that corn doesn't grow north of the wall that's amazing that's why blood raven needs

spk_0 the wall to fall the wall for winter to winter fell you see wall fall winter fell

spk_0 so that he can have a corn trading route it's all about Kate it's all about the Trans-Summers-C

spk_0 Maze Trade he's got contacts in Ling where do you think corn grows I've come to terms with that

spk_0 by corn George actually means corn because I think the word sweet corn is used in the books so I'm

spk_0 not coping anymore and saying that it's peppercorn it's corn where does it grow from the ground gliders

spk_0 oh oh do you think it's like do you think it's like imported from our sauce could grow in the

spk_0 reach yeah it's probably in the reach isn't it it's probably in the reach everything's in the

spk_0 reach they've got everything it's like how like lizard lions seem to be alligators yeah that is also

spk_0 alligators separately mentioned so it's like are lizard lions and alligators the same or are they

spk_0 different because there's lizard lions in tough voyaging that are like fantastical creatures that

spk_0 are different to any real world animals so like are the lizard lions in our swif the same as tough

spk_0 voyaging lizard lions or are they same as normal alligators look these are just the questions that

spk_0 keep me up at night okay in the case of same author same word I'm gonna assume that lizard lions are

spk_0 what they are in tough voyaging I really hope we get to see a lizard lion one day you know I

spk_0 identify it's like the neck is one of the most why I need to go there locations I here's here's

spk_0 my dream wins a winter prologue chapter it's in howland reads conversation pit he's got a 70s

spk_0 we're in the crown he's got like a like a two feet foot shag pile bright orange carpet and he's

spk_0 just like smoking hemp with mage mormont and galbit glover and like the charadayne and and like and

spk_0 althardane and they're all just like passing it around and discussing how they're gonna crown

spk_0 john as the king in the north because they have robs will because they have robs will

spk_0 um and it's just gonna be awesome and like jianna read is is a charadayne and they just have a good

spk_0 time in in the swamp just like prologue swamp swamp interior that's the awesome

spk_0 okay uh but we're all right small um uh no no no in the swamp the swamp can we put

spk_0 we put them in the moral swamp of moral ambiguity yeah that's one of what the center is isn't it like

spk_0 the small pole i mean look i mean like you know i if you're not able to make informed

spk_0 choices then you can't make moral actions right and like i don't know to what extent small

spk_0 paul is able to make informed moral choices but like he's a ability to make informed choices is

spk_0 limited so which i think makes him just inherently more of a center yeah like if he doesn't fully

spk_0 understand the the context of what he's doing then he can't make fully morally informed choices

spk_0 therefore he's more towards the center does that make sense yes i just wanted to talk about small

spk_0 pole the ones me too me too bro all right i think like like it's gonna be more towards chaotic

spk_0 because like doing a rebellion to get a bird is a fairly chaotic action uh but he tried he saved

spk_0 sam and grand from another yeah so he's good and like when he participates in the rebellion like

spk_0 is he is he even like thinking they're gonna murder my friends like probably not right no i think

spk_0 it's like gonna get the bird so he's probably like like quite good isn't he maybe he's like here

spk_0 yeah be with that yeah sure i'm happy he's on there at all all right cool all right well now let's

spk_0 talk about one of the most unambiguous straightforward simple characters in a song of ice and fire

spk_0 quayth the masked shadow binder who is left to remind me who this is i've only seen game of

spk_0 thorns oh it's just characters not in game of thorns that's another joke from me by the way

spk_0 because she's in what it's like two scenes and then they completely drop her arts are game of thorns

spk_0 it's funny i i think that i might like lightly disagree with you and some people on that because

spk_0 i've seen a lot of people who watch the game of thorns show and they see quayth appear in season two

spk_0 who just like turns up says some like sort of cryptic advice to jora and then never appears again

spk_0 and i've seen some people say that like oh that's an unfinished plot line that's like an abandoned

spk_0 plot thread and like to me like in my reading of the game of thorns show it seems to me that like

spk_0 quayth is just performing the role of a tertiary character being somewhere who appears offers

spk_0 some advice offers some input is a scene partner for jora to like consider some of jora's

spk_0 motivations and then leaves like i don't feel like that's no that's not out of the end in plot

spk_0 thread i feel like that's just cheap she served her function in that show yeah i don't disagree

spk_0 with that actually um the only reason you would think that quayth is an unfinished plot thread is

spk_0 that you're aware of the books yes yes in the books quayth is something that requires more

spk_0 revelations in the same way like you wouldn't be upset that katlin stark never comes back

spk_0 as a zombie if you hadn't read the epilogue of us armor swords yeah yeah well that that's the sort of

spk_0 i mean it's really interesting like if you sort of like do that curve of how angry people if

spk_0 your axes are how angry people are about how gamithorins ended versus how exposed they are or

spk_0 where they are of the gamithorins books because i feel like there are people out there there are lots

spk_0 of people out there who really enjoyed gamithorins season eight this a lot of was fine and good and

spk_0 they enjoyed it and i think that a lot of those people other people who haven't read the books and

spk_0 know awareness of the books and you know they're maybe not the people who are the most engaged and

spk_0 thoughtful about the show a lot of those people love the show and then you get to the people who are

spk_0 more and more you know people have read the books and a lot of those people hate the show um i guess

spk_0 all i'm trying to say is that the more into the books you are the more you hated the gamithorins show

spk_0 probably it's not really a bell curve it's just it's just a it's just a it's just a

spk_0 curve yeah anyway so like so who is quayth in the books so quayth is a person who like in the books

spk_0 like de neras is at this city based holero and she's survived the red waste and she's leading her

spk_0 ragged band of dothraki and she like kind of thinks she's jesus because she's following the

spk_0 red comet star of Bethlehem and she's performed a miracle birthing the dragons and then like

spk_0 quayth rocks up on a camel she just like scoots in on a dromedary and says what's up losers

spk_0 get on my get on my humps we're going shopping yeah we're going shopping um and she she rocks up with

spk_0 zyrezo and dachshaws and piappri and she's like we're from kath and we want to see your dragons show

spk_0 us your lizards girly i guess when you phrase it is de neras thinks she's jesus that's sort of a

spk_0 three wise men moment isn't it it is they don't come bearing gifts though unfortunately they just come

spk_0 with camels um is that our camels not a gift unto themselves well de neras doesn't get the camels

spk_0 no but their presence is a gift camels are wonderful creatures we're not we're not questioning whether

spk_0 or not camels are wonderful creatures are you sure because they're not on the morality alignment

spk_0 chart and i think that they should be we just start camels are a lawful good creature are they

spk_0 i think so are they look they have some they have a bit of a demon in the mall i suppose they've

spk_0 got that dog a llama blood yeah do they spit to camels yeah they do a spitting so i think

spk_0 so quayth brings de neras to kath and you know zyrezo and piapp and all the people of kath are like

spk_0 yeah de neras you're the best you should like hang out here with us forever in you should come party

spk_0 come party and quayth it stands out because while everyone else is trying to like get de neras into

spk_0 their clutches and trying to get her dragons and get her prestige quayth just like turns up and

spk_0 just says random cryptic stuff that no one understands she talks about like oh de neras to go forwards

spk_0 you must go back and to reach the west you must journey east and de neras is like do you want me

spk_0 to go to a shy and quayth is like yeah sure maybe and like what if you think of smoke and then like

spk_0 de neras like has a bath in merid and quayth's like hi de neras is like shit what like and then like

spk_0 it's like she's dreaming like quayth seems to maybe have a gloss candle and she's entering

spk_0 de neras' dreams and saying things like you should be where the perfume to sannish all and de neras'

spk_0 is like excuse me what and then like de neras takes mushrooms in the dark you see yeah can you

spk_0 post the conditioner and then and then like de neras has a dream of quayth where quayth's like you

spk_0 should be a fiery tug area and except like we don't even know if quayth is actually saying that or

spk_0 if it's de neras' dreaming yeah because she hallucinates jure and viserys as well so like it's

spk_0 extremely ambiguous who quayth is or what she wants and there are theories about maybe she's

spk_0 shearer seastah maybe she's a list of farm and maybe she's david banyoff in drag like there's

spk_0 many theories like why does she wear a mask where is she from a shy like melisandra is she time

spk_0 traveling melisandra is she uron i don't know who do you what what do you what do you think about quay

spk_0 well you sunbed it up real slow right there she's like she's

spk_0 except who do you think i am old you're back sweat i hear to be concise yeah that kind of

spk_0 concise didn't make a 40 minute video about how so the dragons anyway um

spk_0 um yeah she's cryptic is all get out that more cryptic than all get out no that's concise

spk_0 i i so i think like one of the questions is what does quayth want and i think that quayth seems

spk_0 to want de neras to get a move on like quayth tells de neras to leave calf and she seems to be

spk_0 saying go to west aros and embrace the dragon blood and embrace the fire do you think quayth is

spk_0 just blood raven in a magic disguise that actually would make some sense maybe because like people

spk_0 have theorized about quayth working with blood raven yeah that's what the shearthing sort of links to

spk_0 because they do seem to want the same thing or maybe she's working with like marwan maybe it's

spk_0 marwan in drag i don't know think marwan's hmm because he's got a glass candle like i think the glass

spk_0 candle thing is like the biggest hint of like what she is um she she seems to lean maybe a little

spk_0 bit evil just because quayth does seem maybe to be encouraging de neras to lean into some of those

spk_0 like fiery magical fiery bloody conquest side of things yeah and i think that pushing de neras

spk_0 towards those things is inherently chaotic and she does push de neras to think that going to

spk_0 wish i is a good idea and i think it's fair to say that going to wish i is a bad idea that never

spk_0 a good idea it's like going to Ohio it's just like it should not be on the radar it's just it's

spk_0 just not a place for good people is the sense that you get about not a higher sorry i'm my apologies

spk_0 to the ohi ends out there but i i'm referring to a shy which is a place of evil for evil people

spk_0 is the vibe that we get and and like it seems as though quayth wants de neras to learn ash i

spk_0 secrets which i think might as something to do with like evil proto-malirian dragon binding

spk_0 sacrifice squishers shenanigans so i i think that quayth is connected to evil and i think that quayth

spk_0 is guiding de neras in a direction that leads to evil and she's also like manipulative like it's

spk_0 not clear why she's as cryptic as she is i think honestly the reason why quayth is so cryptic is

spk_0 that george modern hadn't decided what de neras' plot was going to be yet yeah there's that moment

spk_0 in the game of thorns where dorah is like we should go to a shy and it's like what the fuck was

spk_0 dorah talking about yeah yeah and i generally like agree that at that time george modern may have

spk_0 intended for de neras to literally go to a shy but then george modern changed his mind and decided

spk_0 de neras won't go to a shy so i think the quayth's like vagueness like it i i think that george might

spk_0 like when george wrote a klaasha king's i think that he i think that he probably didn't know who quayth

spk_0 was like i don't think elissa farman existed or even she or a c star i don't think existed when quay

spk_0 when george was writing quayth for the first time so she's a big old question mark wrapped in a

spk_0 in a sandwich of mystery and i think that she kind of has to be near the middle just because we know

spk_0 so little about who the hell she is and what she wants so why did i insist on putting her on this

spk_0 chart for the strange question i guess i just wanted to talk about quayth there you go all right

spk_0 turns out that that's what the framework of any of these streams is we we just want to talk about it

spk_0 i i guess she's like lightly chaotic evil is is kind of where she goes i think

spk_0 it remains to be seen it's that's too early to like

spk_0 most characters we don't know exactly what they're after quayth we definitely have no idea what she's

spk_0 after like there's no def we can have some educated guesses but there's no definitive knowledge

spk_0 pia pre is a little easier because he tries to feed denaris to the immortal undying zombies who

spk_0 want to eat her face so now who are you to say that that's evil i i'd i'd say it's it's it's

spk_0 it's questionable at least you know uh and pia also tries to he sends that like man to core

spk_0 sorrowful man assassin to kill denaris i mean denaris did burn down pia's house so i guess that's like

spk_0 semi understandable um but he just he seems like not a great guy is is sort of where i'm at

spk_0 nah i could go for a drink with him yeah yeah he's he's definitely trying to lure this teenage girl

spk_0 into his like opium den so that she can be i have a soul sucked out is sort of what he does

spk_0 i okay you're you're making your case a bit stronger now yeah yeah is is he lawful or chaotic i

spk_0 mean i think he's a bit chaotic i mean dude rise a camel like can you be lawful and write a camel

spk_0 yeah i think he's i think he's he's he's is he here is he here i think he's evil of the

spk_0 enjoyer moment i but i actually don't know i just think he i feel it i don't know it i like we

spk_0 don't really know how much pia pre knows about the undying because like pia pre is a warlock

spk_0 who works with the undying but he's not one of the immortal people who lives in like the heart

spk_0 room being immortal and it's like i wonder how much pia pre knows about the undying yeah a lot of

spk_0 judges other science fiction works featuring hive minds have agents of the hive mind who aren't

spk_0 themselves entirely cognizant of what the hive mind is and does yeah i sort of imagine the undying

spk_0 as a sort of a multi level marketing scheme where pia pre is like a recruiter who's like doing the

spk_0 dirt he's trying to find the ladder yeah yeah like i imagine that pia pre's goal is to become one

spk_0 of the undying and if the narrative signs up ten friends yeah yeah for real he's like one of those

spk_0 guys who stands outside the Scientology building saying how would you like a free personality test

spk_0 we're gonna measure how many glurons you've got right but instead of that he's offering drugs to

spk_0 teenage girls yeah we're like you didn't think that you're just is a fairly fairly fairly

spk_0 suss motive behavior we don't have where are my dragons on the soundboard who's too loud man

spk_0 not too loud people oh oh all right just to round out the uh calf uh the corner

spk_0 the wise men calf corner spelt qq so Zorozo and daxos is a is a funny one very different in the

spk_0 show yeah in the show he's like a he's like a rich guy who wants to help pia pre take over calf

spk_0 in the tv show and he has like a secret vault that he says has money in it but it doesn't

spk_0 and he's also like socially mobile like he he started from nothing and then he like made something

spk_0 of himself although it's all like a house of cards and none of that is quite that true of Zoro

spk_0 in the books in the books he's just sort of like a rich um he'd anist who would like more power

spk_0 by getting denaris's dragons and so he lies and manipulates denaris uh and tries to sort of trick

spk_0 her and then he later participates in carth going to war against denaris so he that's right he shows

spk_0 up again later that's crazy he's a very weird character the way George reuses her um his

spk_0 quite funny um so he's a bad guy he's maybe not as bad as he is in the tv show uh but yeah he's

spk_0 main role in the story is to sort of try to exploit denaris and I guess he's sort of legalistic

spk_0 in the way that he tries to steal denaris's dragons through like that marriage custom in calf

spk_0 uh so I guess he's not all that chaotic like and you know in dance he sort of is operating as a

spk_0 representative of carth sort of following the rules and expectations of carth so I I guess he's

spk_0 like lightly lawful evil is that sound right lawful is an interesting one because I mean what

spk_0 does he plan to do with dragons that's a great question that is a great question

spk_0 dragons who are like so clearly an instrument of chaos and not much else yeah I mean I don't

spk_0 think sorrow even knows what he would do with the dragons oh my god there are dragons I need them

spk_0 he seems to be someone who likes having things and he likes collecting fancy unique expensive

spk_0 things and showing them all having read so much of the thousand world since reading clash I'm now

spk_0 realizing how much calf is a location that like it's so fitting in the thousand worlds yeah it's

spk_0 like its own little planet yeah whether it's own little weird customs and its own sort of exotic

spk_0 textures like if tough if haveland tough landed on calf I would not blink yeah it would be so normal

spk_0 he also would find some unexpected solution to the weirdness of the undying yeah and we'd

spk_0 oppose their idea of immortality and such yeah let's let's put him in lightly lawful

spk_0 yeah we all know that Zorozoan Darksauce is right next to Alice of Thorne yeah we all feel that

spk_0 now hit we always have we all know that Alice are in Zorovo bed for those they could be long lost

spk_0 cousins you don't know aren't we all who should we discuss next I'm happy to keep going in order

spk_0 actually one character who's been staring at me the whole time and it's sort of crazy that we

spk_0 haven't talked about him yet is Varys yeah tell me about Varys what needs to be said look the

spk_0 photo speaks for itself he's the gossip girl so one of the things that they don't do in the tv

spk_0 show that's in the books is that Varys and Varys cuts the tongues out of orphan children so that he

spk_0 can use them as spies and they won't give away his secrets yeah he's a good guy it's not it's not

spk_0 great it's not great and he also participates in Illyrio's plot to try and get younger if on the

spk_0 throne of Lazarus and Varys like consciously sort of orchestrates or like it allows war as a deliberate

spk_0 strategy to weaken West Durasians is so fun yeah and I mean just the fact that he's buddies with

spk_0 Illyrio when Illyrio is a slave and such a liar and a manipulative nasty person

spk_0 he's he's pretty evil well that last one I think is an argument by association and I shan't hear

spk_0 it but Varys goes out of his way to be by Illyrio it's not like he's less than being friends in

spk_0 more Varys facilitates Illyrio's plans or like they they work together they might be Varys's plans

spk_0 yeah I think he's a bad guy I mean Varys says that he does what he does for the realm but that

spk_0 seems to be kind of a lie once you find out about Young Griff and what seems to be personal

spk_0 connections between Young Griff and Illyrio he might genuinely believe it's best for the realm

spk_0 he may have convinced himself that but he's wrong yeah like as we learn from he see Young Griff we

spk_0 learn that Young Griff is an impetuous unwise child who should not be on the throne of Lesteros

spk_0 well what's his competition yeah well if you compare the stability of I mean stability of Targaryen

spk_0 rule what am I saying yeah but like compare that to what's happened since Roberts rebellion like

spk_0 George John Aaron held things together as long as he could but he died and everything immediately

spk_0 felt a shit he was a real one John Aaron yeah yeah I yeah I don't think Young Griff will be the

spk_0 worst king ever I think that John Snow is honestly would be a pretty great such a fanboy king I

spk_0 I think George is a big fanboy of John Snow as well yeah yeah I mean notwithstanding the fact that

spk_0 John got murdered because he failed to communicate to his subordinate adequately but you know putting

spk_0 that aside I think John will be a pretty good king I think that that's George like having a

spk_0 that can still be a soft spot like oh he's a tragic figure of you know if only he

spk_0 it's the sort of thing that George would still view as virtuous

spk_0 virtuistic virtuous there we go I found it Varus arranges the assassin who tries to poison

spk_0 Daenerys and her unborn child that's a that's that's not a great thing a child who was promised to

spk_0 conquer the entire world and enslave millions of people well yeah Varus worked with the

spk_0 mad king for a long time and was his like master of whisperers and like maybe tried to help make him

spk_0 go insane probably maybe maybe like he was like he was there with like what was Varus doing when

spk_0 Eris was like putting wildfire all across the city standing in the corner yeah I'm not not

spk_0 really I think sort of enjoying it well I don't know about enjoying it but like benefiting from it

spk_0 yeah but I mean if I mean if Varus wants young Griff to be king in king's landing what

spk_0 what is Varus's plan with the wildfire use it but it's it's it's there it's it's there to blow up

spk_0 king's landing it's under all the building use it in case there we go yeah he's look he's not

spk_0 he's evil he's evil oh yes I'm I'm I'm being a dick here Varus is evil he's evil and he's in like

spk_0 the chaotic area because he's so treacherous and sneaky and breaks rules and assassinates

spk_0 the thing with Varus is like if you're willing to believe it's different things he says you could

spk_0 actually put him wherever you want on this chart yeah like that I mean one argument you can make

spk_0 is that well Varus genuinely believes that what he's doing is for the greater good of the realm

spk_0 and so everything's in service of that and so he's just a vibe the status barathe and round

spk_0 yeah but I mean look dude rips tongues out of children so yeah surely he could do good for the realm

spk_0 without ripping tongues out of children and it's not gonna work out anyway so let's put him in chaotic

spk_0 evil I mean he's obviously not as evil as like some of these people well in his action like in the

spk_0 direct actions he does yes but in sort like the wrenley way of I'm causing a war that will cause

spk_0 thousands and thousands of people to die yeah yeah I know we might have to move wrenley further down

spk_0 I think I think that Varus is a bit like Bruce Bolton in that we really just don't know

spk_0 everything about Varus and it's entirely possible that he's done a lot more evil than we're

spk_0 even aware of and I think that it's cool that you know Daenerys is called the Slayer of Lies

spk_0 I think that part of Daenerys's role is going to be to reveal and confront Illyrio's lies and evil

spk_0 and I think that Varus's evil machinations are going to come out more as well and I think that he

spk_0 is sympathetic motivations and his emotional reasons for what he does are also going to come out

spk_0 so he's still going to be very morally complicated but I think that like there's so much unknown

spk_0 about Varus there's pretty hard to be super firm about our conclusion we don't really need to

spk_0 even dive into the issue of his identity because like it doesn't really change anything

spk_0 yeah talking about here personally I hope that Varus is just an orphan kid from the streets of

spk_0 Liesaumea or wherever he's from I do tend to believe that Illyrio's wife Sarah probably is a black

spk_0 fire and young griff smother yeah I do tend to believe that I don't think we need more secret

spk_0 angriest and Varus to be secret blackfires but I do think it's possible it's a compelling theory

spk_0 because you know it explains his boldness and the castration yeah you're saying like Varus's

spk_0 cock was cut off to prevent the black fire line continuing yeah and you know the story of the

spk_0 sorcerer like it rings of blood raven so like it's a compelling theory but I'm not I'm not like

spk_0 I'm not married to it and the dragons blood the kings blood in Varus a blackfires blood would have

spk_0 made the blood sacrifice powerful for the sorcerer yeah so yeah I don't think that old shift

spk_0 X even included that idea in the old shift X Varus video oh well that was from 10,000 years ago

spk_0 another common old shift X L classic old shift X Blunder yeah should we talk about Illyrio

spk_0 well well we're in the area yeah well we're in Pentos the cheese monger himself so what else can

spk_0 you monger fish cheese fish monger war monger true and he might be all three can you be a peace monger

spk_0 I hope so I aspire to be a peace monger I've always thought of myself as a wider-bick's monger

spk_0 I'll believe that I think that Illyrio is similar to Varus but probably more evil partly because

spk_0 of the slavery and partly because of vibes yeah no I get that I mean it's funny because like

spk_0 Illyrio may well have more sympathetic emotional motivations what with his wife maybe being a black

spk_0 fire and younger if maybe being his son so there might actually be more like relatable motivations

spk_0 with Illyrio but I think that he's a more evil person and also like he sold Daenerys this

spk_0 child slavery into Marital slavery and you know Varus Warlord Varus was also across that yeah but

spk_0 but Illyrio was the one who did it he did it and at the same time he did house these orphaned

spk_0 children only for his own better the sale of the slave also just the fact that Illyrio is so cozy

spk_0 with the dothraki like Illyrio has like a big apartment for Drogo like in Pentos you keep

spk_0 Carl Drogo happy there's a lot of real politic involved in that though yeah but it's like I feel

spk_0 like people who make friends with Carl Drogo are bad people and like I know there's a lot of

spk_0 different you know you can argue that the Pentoshi had to do that so the dothraki didn't attack them

spk_0 but like come on like like placating tyrants with real estate it seems bad to me

spk_0 okay okay I mean it sounds bad but so does your city being raised I I guess he's like

spk_0 here I don't I oh chaos first yeah well maybe he's not that cave I mean he breaks the lore

spk_0 against slavery he lies constantly he betrays people constantly is Pentos of the slave free city yeah

spk_0 one of the lines I think in denarius's first chapter says that there were no slaves in Pentos except

spk_0 for the one nonetheless yes slaves okay which I think implies that that Illyrio might even be like

spk_0 like not only is he breaking the law but he might be unusually enthusiastic about slavery compared

spk_0 to his fellow Pentoshi registers yeah so I I guess he's kind of around here but again there's

spk_0 a lot that we don't know so it's hard to say yes it's hard to say boy a lot of these characters

spk_0 are stacking up along the chaotic evil area yeah so we talk about someone a bit less clear cut as a

spk_0 chaotic evil agent in Edmure Tully Edmure Tully oh we'd love Edmure well I do at least yeah why do

spk_0 you love Edmure it's just um you don't he's a case of a nobleman in the story who does seem

spk_0 genuinely concerned for the plight of the common man yeah yeah his iconic moment is when he

spk_0 brings a bunch of common people into riverrun to protect them and Katlin says but that's bad

spk_0 because this is going to be inconvenient for our siege and the war and like it's going to be a

spk_0 pain in the ass but Edmure says they were hungry they were scared so I protected them because I'm

spk_0 their lord and it's like oh um based based apartment calling he's one of the he's one of the very

spk_0 few like highborn of Westeros who are actually like prioritizing the good of the many instead of

spk_0 the privilege few and that moment makes Katlin look real bad as well it does the fact that Katlin's

spk_0 like that's eight on a you idiot why are you trying to help innocent people you dumb dumb and

spk_0 then you're is a dumb dumb he is a dumb head yes he he matters up pretty much everything that he

spk_0 does I I'm in his camp though I'm on his side concerning the whole mill debacle I think that

spk_0 that's a failure I like John had a failure to communicate with his subordinates I think Rob

spk_0 really fumbled that one I don't think it was Edmure's fault I I I lightly agree with that

spk_0 that so that's the thing where like Rob went west and attacked the west of lands hoping to draw

spk_0 Taiwan landers as army into the west and Edmure fucked him up he beat the shit out of him and

spk_0 yeah yeah yeah so Rob gets really angry at Edmure because Edmure for the landest is of the red

spk_0 and one really awesomely I mean he did he did win pretty yeah it was epic he should have been there

spk_0 but like the one time that Emure wins a battle it was it's like the book of rock and let lead to his

spk_0 death and I agree like Rob should have just told Edmure the plan and then it might have worked out

spk_0 Rob is however 15 yeah yeah he's not had a lot of experience in being in upper manning so I

spk_0 can I really blame Rob I mean like he did that it's a thing that he failed to do but also he's a kid

spk_0 yeah but Edmure like throughout the world just makes mistakes um he also like it's he's kind

spk_0 of selfish like when it gets agreed that Edmure is gonna marry Afrey in Rob's place yeah and Edmure

spk_0 like at length is going well I hope it's not an ugly fray I mean I'll agree to it but oh I don't

spk_0 want an ugly wife and it's like Abbaure this is for the survival of our kingdoms like this is like

spk_0 high stakes stuff and he's like worried about like the hotness he's gonna spend the rest of his life

spk_0 with this person it's understandable and relatable but it but I think that he's he's quite focused

spk_0 on his own selfish needs instead of the broader context of like this their political survival

spk_0 he's going to be marrying Afrey either way the alliance is going to happen either way he's just

spk_0 trying to get the most out of it that he possibly can I don't think that that's that wrong yeah

spk_0 wait wait I'm gonna fixating on the hotness of these like most of them are teenagers that's a

spk_0 little girl when he's howled as he like like 20s or something well he doesn't know how the fray

spk_0 is that he's gonna that's true I think that Edmure is lawful good like he's a very conventional guy

spk_0 like I think I think the tragedy of Edmure is that he is doing his best within the confines and

spk_0 expectations of the social role that he's born into he didn't ask to be a lord but it's what he was

spk_0 born into and he is trying to follow the rules and expectations of that role and so like you know

spk_0 one of the expectations is that he's got to win battles yeah he's got to be a war leader and I don't

spk_0 think Edmure wants to be a war leader but he knows that the only way to prove himself is a lord

spk_0 and to be effective politically is to be a successful war leader so he like don't he does that stuff

spk_0 and he wrecks Gregor Klegane right yeah man he beat the mountain yeah that's crazy good and it I mean

spk_0 he was there at least when yeah no he did it I don't know if he does the mountain single combat

spk_0 he did what barrack dondarian couldn't so yeah look he's kind of a dance but we love him we love him

spk_0 and he's a good guy he's such a wonderful minor character you see so much coming through in so

spk_0 little screen time as it were yeah and it really upsets me what becomes of him in game of thorns

spk_0 yeah well they sort of make him a punching bag in like the final episode of the show didn't

spk_0 really earn that they just sort of locked him up for five years and then like we'll bring him back

spk_0 so he can be yelled at by Sansa I do think that one of the coolest things that Edmure does is when

spk_0 he surrenders riverruns with the Lannisters he lets out the blackfish and that's a moment of

spk_0 defiance yeah and he like like sure you can have the castle but fuck you I'm keeping my uncle which

spk_0 incidentally is a chaotic act because it is like against the sort of rules and expectations of

spk_0 that particular surrender I think Edmure might just be straight on the axis good yeah well I mean

spk_0 he abides by pretty much all the rules of his world like when does he break rules or I mean I

spk_0 guess like fighting Gregor at Stone Mill was a little impulsive and chaotic I guess

spk_0 hmm I feel like he's a very conventional guy he's a very normal conventional rule abiding guy

spk_0 is the sense that I get from Edmure it's interesting that like he does what is expected of him

spk_0 which like just brings to me Jamie Lannister like it's obvious why George would put them against

spk_0 each other in those scenes yeah you can ask the question like if Edmure was in Jamie's position

spk_0 would he have made different choices you know what fun um Edmure Catlin speculates that Edmure

spk_0 will let might have a shitload of bastards right does that play into our understanding of him

spk_0 he is a bit of a fuck boy and so I guess one of the questions is like is it ethical for him to go

spk_0 around getting people pregnant and you know does he look after the women and the bastards he might

spk_0 he seems like he honestly seems like the guy who who would look after those people and

spk_0 Catlin might not mention it because of you know Ned like the fact that he the fact that he

spk_0 protects the small folk and bring them into riverrun makes me think that he probably would but

spk_0 like we just don't know maybe he doesn't Patrick Mitchell says in the super chats that um we

spk_0 should have seen Edmure Tully in the top 10 fighters of Game of Thrones another classic alt shift

spk_0 explunder he left out a brin martell and Edmure Tully I heard that emu would defeat a griggle with one

spk_0 hand while he was like pancing flim and brax with the other hand that lost on cooking pancakes with

spk_0 his feet that's what I heard yeah uh yeah look I think that's a good spot for emu are in the

spk_0 sort of lightly lawful good zone yeah aspirational Brienne what about the black fish oh what a what a

spk_0 fun character what what's his deal um well he's the night of the bloody gate hmm which

spk_0 have all the moon gate the moon gate or the bloody gate I think maybe the moon gate who's the night

spk_0 of the bloody gate it one of the roises maybe or was it I think one of the roises where did I'm the

spk_0 virus egan come from what was he doing look there's several gates we don't need to worry too

spk_0 he's a night of one of them one of the gates he uh I would say that he bucks expectation by

spk_0 refusing to get married absolutely like that that is chaotic and there's a lot of speculation as

spk_0 to why that is yeah um probably the plurality consensus is that it's because he's a homosexual

spk_0 or asexual or or asexual or just a non-hattero just just doesn't like just doesn't like ladies maybe

spk_0 maybe he's a misogynist uh the answer is a lot of people are uh well no he he does have a lovely

spk_0 relationship with his niece Katla yeah uh he does yeah black fish is a cool guy he's he's like the

spk_0 competent tully he's like the one competent tully who's like act because like you know host

spk_0 tully is bedbound emua makes blunder after blunder Katla is like well intentioned but she does

spk_0 make some all-time blunders and lisa my goodness lisa lisa is just one big bag of blunders like she

spk_0 is just an ongoing and she falls over and the bunch of blunders she just missed a magusa way into

spk_0 like seven different atrocities every Tuesday uh yeah black fish is he's like a war hero he like you

spk_0 forward in the nine penny kings war and availed himself well he's a very like loyal and effective

spk_0 leader in rob's campaign during the war and i mean it was also a little chaotic that he like left

spk_0 the service of his brother lord host tully and you know went to the no he followed his niece

spk_0 it's justifiable but what yeah but i think it was like bucking expectations and it was

spk_0 well yeah it's the defiance of host it to some extent because they had a falling out long long long

spk_0 ago yeah i think isn't doesn't he described it as uh we don't even fucking remember what we were

spk_0 fighting about even though um we do know that it's the marriage thing right or do we not know that

spk_0 i i think that did i assume that i i think that it is it does seem to be brindens refusal to marry

spk_0 is the main point of contention between hostile and brindan yeah but i mean i'm sure there's more to it

spk_0 i i think that like brindan brindan doesn't do a lot that is like morally waiting in the story i

spk_0 would say like he mostly just participates on the war like he's he is somebody mostly just does

spk_0 his job well you heard it here first folks participating in war is a morally new

spk_0 act well we don't hear a lot of like specifics i mean we certainly don't hear of any atrocities

spk_0 that he commits and i think that you can make a strong argument that you know the riverlands they

spk_0 were attacked by the lanisters they have a just cause defending their lands from the lanisters so i

spk_0 think all of that is pretty above board i i think that like there's a lot of interesting questions

spk_0 about what the blackfish's future role in the story will be yeah yeah there is some speculation

spk_0 because you know blackfish is like a fugitive now there's speculation that blackfish might hook up

spk_0 with the brotherhood without banners and they might like attack david lanisters wedding and or might

spk_0 try and free jane westerling as she's being marched west like there's a lot of like guerrilla

spk_0 activity that the blackfish is like a rogue agent that could pop up anywhere in the riverlands it's

spk_0 great of like i mean george martin's sleeves are just full of like secondary and tertiary characters

spk_0 who are really awesome to pop up in a billion different places yeah there's a million different setups

spk_0 that george could could drop on us but um i i guess blackfish is like lightly good uh and sort of

spk_0 very lightly hey well sort of in the middle i guess i i guess his neutral good is he neutral good

spk_0 lightly neutral good uh he's a little bit chaotic i think yeah yeah no i feel that so i guess he's

spk_0 sort of up here somewhere so i put him put him next to cat yeah screw it is cahlin more chaotic

spk_0 because she captures terry and i guess she is capturing him to put him on trial for a crime

spk_0 she legitimately believes he did i don't think that's like i think that's the lawful thing to do

spk_0 right yeah that's like what the law of westaro says you should do yeah that's that's true and like

spk_0 she did have reasons to do it is releasing jamey yes no that's a great point i agree

spk_0 and yeah capturing terry and like cahlin had the expectation that lisa would have you know

spk_0 evidence probably or like reason to say what she said yeah so yeah all right i think that's

spk_0 pretty good um what about i mean you know cahlin is is complicated uh

spk_0 hostile tully i feel like the elephant in the room is that like one of the main things we learn

spk_0 about hostile tully in the series is that hostess daughter lisa got pregnant by little finger

spk_0 and a holster made lisa drink munty which induces an emotion it's not fortificent

spk_0 and lisa almost died uh from that uh so he would rather have a dead daughter than little fingers

spk_0 grandson yeah i mean we don't know if hostile knew that lisa might die from taking it he probably

spk_0 should have known yeah i guess he he must have known that it was dangerous he must have known

spk_0 uh but yeah i i tend to think the hostile thought he was doing the right thing when he did that

spk_0 however it was it almost killed his daughter well yeah it was against her wishes in the societal

spk_0 framework of westroes a noble woman having a bastard like that's just it that's it for her

spk_0 yeah so he would have thought that he was doing the right thing um i guess the other thing we know

spk_0 about hostile is that he participated in the sort of soddren and pictures conspiracy to overthrow

spk_0 the targarians yeah and like i guess it was a good thing that the mad king was booted off the

spk_0 iron throne certainly wasn't lawful it was not lawful it was maybe an act of political ambition

spk_0 by at least some of the players involved like to what extent was that little conspiracy about

spk_0 improving the realm and to what extent was it about advancing yeah the lot of those lords well

spk_0 Robert Baratheon became king hosta tully got his daughters married to the lords of the north

spk_0 and the veil respectively like he that that didn't require the Targaryen regime being toppled

spk_0 yeah what did he really advanced that much because of Robert Baratheon's rebellion

spk_0 i mean being like a buddy and a ally of the king i mean yeah like i mean hostile we don't

spk_0 know as much about like john aron seems like a leading figure in that alliance and even like ricad

spk_0 stock yeah i always read this like hosta just uh okay well they'll tag along maybe he's got a lot

spk_0 of edm you energy he's maybe he's a bit of a dumberhead we kind of don't know i mean cat

spk_0 catlin says that hosta was like an active and strong and proud man but she he's her dad

spk_0 she might just think that yeah he's look he he he doesn't seem great like like nothing that he does

spk_0 like we don't know much about him but it doesn't seem like anything that he does is particularly

spk_0 like selfless or heroic because like all of his like like because ambition is an equal explanation

spk_0 for what he does like taking down iris and like the lice the thing is bad and that's kind of

spk_0 as much as we know that's kind of as much as we know so very very lightly chaotic evil he got in

spk_0 the decades long feud with his brother then forgot why maybe he was a homophob a homophob or an afob

spk_0 we don't know i know that's not the turn for that i'm sorry i think i think lightly lightly

spk_0 lightly chaotic evil yeah he does have a good relationship with catlin but i mean that's what's

spk_0 kind of interesting about that chapter is that like catlin likes hosta but catlin does not

spk_0 understand hosta at all on any level because catlin does not know that hosta made lisa drink

spk_0 moonti and catlin does not know about well maybe she knows about this other and ambitions

spk_0 conspiracy a little bit i mean she's married it's like that's why she was gonna marry Brandon

spk_0 but she married an ed the calon realises in that chapter oh like a hosta made lisa marry

spk_0 john aron like as part of the alliance like that's something that she realises in that moment in

spk_0 clash she hadn't thought about it in in 20 years yeah i don't i don't know if calons because she

spk_0 was a kid back there i don't know she really knew understood the politics that was going on at

spk_0 the time you know and i guess she was too busy being swept off her feed by Brandon Stark to realize

spk_0 that it was entirely political i think he's very very lightly chaotic evil we we really don't

spk_0 know much but nothing that we know about him reflects on him very well i think nesting him in there

spk_0 with dorn martel yeah you know yeah i think i think doren sent his son off to die well he didn't

spk_0 think his son was gonna die oh maybe he did he just didn't like quentin yeah who does lots of

spk_0 people like quentin i like quentin oh craster craster now now that's an interesting one he's uh he's

spk_0 he's a bad man he's not good this man oh man is this the how evil is craster craster's very evil

spk_0 he he ticks a lot of the evils of evil he sacrifices babies to demons his own babies his own babies

spk_0 which he produces through incest rape yeah yeah i i yeah so so craster rapes a lot of people

spk_0 and mostly his own daughters mostly his own daughters almost entirely his own daughters and

spk_0 like he also like sells out the human species to the evil ice demons which is like a level of evil

spk_0 that most people like can't even imagine let alone i don't even know if you're on great like i think

spk_0 uron is capable of doing it i don't know if it's on his radar i think uron would be like don't do that

spk_0 well i think yeah well yeah that's risk on that statement yeah maybe he's actually engaging in

spk_0 that same sort of transaction unclear i i i think like craster has limited means but he fully uses

spk_0 the extent of his abilities to do just the worst stuff you can imagine and he also like is exploitative

spk_0 of like the night swatch or at least highly transactional with the night swatch he's also just a dick

spk_0 yeah he's a dick to everyone yeah and he talks about how he rules with like an iron fist like

spk_0 e-thread and like it seems like he hits his daughter wives um so he's really sort of just sort of

spk_0 bad in all the ways that you can imagine is there anything even remotely positive a godly man

spk_0 or he is a godly man so in a funny way he is lawful because he's got a deal and a system with the

spk_0 white walkers and he sort of justifies it with this sort of paper thin ideology about yeah i'm a godly

spk_0 man and he's very strict about enforcing it like when john prize a bit too hard he's like don't

spk_0 fuck off get out of my business this is it's bad for you to do that i mean craster has a political

spk_0 ideology right like man's tried to recruit him to the wildling cause and craster like nailed the

spk_0 messengers tongue to his wall and i will not kneel to anyone man says ape together strong and

spk_0 that craster says kill ape i mean look he's a libertarian craster is someone to complete with the

spk_0 daughter wives yeah yeah he's somebody refuses to participate in anyone else's political order which

spk_0 is in itself a political ideology in a statement that he has so like you know way i guess that's

spk_0 kind of lawful because it's a system but it's also one in which he refuses to about anyone else's

spk_0 laws and should now there are theories and i suppose it's not even that much of a stretch to say

spk_0 that craster's deal with the white walk with the others is like sort of his only option i mean other

spk_0 than joining man's why don't you just join man's instead of making a deal with the fucking

spk_0 dice demons yeah i i feel like if given the choice between sacrificing your babies to the demons

spk_0 and joining up with the fun little bard who wants us to all get along yeah he really like he

spk_0 well craster doesn't do that because he wants to be his own ruler that's it he would

spk_0 rather be the petty little tyrant king of his of his evil compound rather than

spk_0 existing a society with other human beings and fight for his species he's incredibly

spk_0 he's so evil so so i like i feel like he's lightly lawful because of his twisted back and

spk_0 adherence to that ideology yes is he more evil than tyrant lannister

spk_0 yes yep tyrant i mean they're the war the war though but like like i think that you

spk_0 want to think about means like yes if craster had tyrant lannisters means my god yeah my god

spk_0 yeah i think i think the world would be crafters keep if that was within his capability and we'd

spk_0 all be his wives that's right so yeah i think he's he's one of the most evil characters in the series

spk_0 for sure okay what about world afraid what is he certified fantasy haven moment

spk_0 he all the phrase so interesting i love that he treats his family like he looks after his family

spk_0 does he well he fuck it'll be hard to wouldn't it he doesn't seem to care about them

spk_0 he's really good to his family i really like that in game of thorns the free words uh

spk_0 um we stand together it's quite fun but they're constantly inviting yeah that's why it's fun

spk_0 no i mean he's providing a place for do you know how big his family is that's his fault

spk_0 he created the problem of having too many children because he's a horn dog and he's had like

spk_0 nine wives it would be so easy for him to kick them all out though also like if someone has

spk_0 big a dick as all the phrase to everyone else he keeps his family around i don't think he

spk_0 get points for that honestly like i it is his obligation to feed his many children who he created

spk_0 like he does it i was not expecting this this phrase of all the

spk_0 apology in defense of all the fray um okay so he he's he's red wedding i think it's like

spk_0 it's sus on so many levels that this guy has had like 10 wives like do we really like did all

spk_0 of those wives die of natural causes he's very old but like that means that like he's

spk_0 seem like he's latest wife is very young he's like a 90 year old marrying a teenager yes like

spk_0 if he's other wives were even close to his age they must have like how do they all just happen

spk_0 to die like that i'm sure some of them died in childbirth right age times it happens i think it's

spk_0 very i think it's sus on many levels um he does the red wedding that's that's not great he does do

spk_0 that he does the red wedding he's also just really rude to everybody which i don't know like how i

spk_0 don't know if you can call that evil but it's not good just mean and disrespectful to everyone and

spk_0 he's very petty and selfish concerned with his pride to the point that he all gonna orchestrates

spk_0 the red wedding he's treacherous he breaks rules he's chaotic he's on the chaotic side like he

spk_0 bends rules constantly like when he gets late to the trident and everything he doesn't fulfill his

spk_0 just laid it was just run the train was delayed he's uh he's uh he's not great he's not great

spk_0 and also like i mean i mean i mean it's a whole sort of thing it does he have a moral obligation

spk_0 to side with the his rebellious lease lord or does he have an obli it's the Jamie Lannister

spk_0 question is he the blight's to side like host of tully in a moral sense might not be entitled to

spk_0 phrase allegiance in robberts rebellion yeah no that's a good point you could argue that

spk_0 worlda was in fact being loyal to the mad king although i don't believe for a second i don't

spk_0 believe for a second that actually was well if he was loyal to ares he you know would have shown

spk_0 up on the other side of the trident yeah yeah or like tried to sandwich hostess forces and so on

spk_0 yeah if the question is who should he have been loyal to he was loyal to neither it was certainly

spk_0 hedging his bets yeah now everything we know about worlda shows him to be self-serving calculate

spk_0 spiteful prideful he's a very small petty man with all of small petty children

spk_0 that weasel it's interesting the whole story of all the array with them being like new money

spk_0 how like they built the bridge over the river and they used that for economic gain

spk_0 and some of the like old ancient proud story houses looked down on the phrase because the

spk_0 jumped up starts yeah which is um interesting but yeah i mean he's definitely evil i mean

spk_0 do we know of like he doesn't like he doesn't directly stab anybody but he does orchestrate a massive

spk_0 atrocity that gets like presides of each of people killed and he seems to be totally down with

spk_0 all of that like we don't know to what extent he like ordered the phrase to like yeah kill the kill

spk_0 the kill everyone but it seems like he was down with i don't know if if you're a tywin lannister

spk_0 and roose boulton and you're putting together a mass murder that has to be like very strategically

spk_0 executed are you going to involve the 92 year old commuddin like is he going to be directly

spk_0 involved in your planning of that event yeah well would you rather talk with which one of his

spk_0 loathar loathar fray who's like actually the orchestrator yeah i guess the question is like how much

spk_0 will loathar and wilder communicating i i look world and new world of course new nothing

spk_0 about the red weighting time his life is ready so that might not have uh

spk_0 haggled over exactly who was and wasn't going to get stabbed but wilder has no complaints about

spk_0 the red wedding so he's very evil and he's lightly chaotic surely

spk_0 lightly chaotic should it be more chaotic i mean it's such a destabilizing action for the entire

spk_0 kingdom yes true and and he is um i mean he's slippery like like he's a liar and a manipulator

spk_0 and a traitor like he's someone who'll do whatever suits him and he breaks rules so yeah yeah

spk_0 he's pretty he's pretty chaotic he's not as bad as is he's gregal cliggain's right there i don't

spk_0 know about that in kibble and maybe maybe he's a bit too far down there but he is more evil than

spk_0 Jamie i think he's sitting next to drogo yeah drogo's more evil yes yeah it's getting crowded in the

spk_0 chaotic evil zone over here i guess he's kind of there i guess uh all right

spk_0 what about aiman targaryen oh aiman he's like a great guy who doesn't do anything at any point

spk_0 well that's sort of interesting he had many opportunities to be very self-serving

spk_0 and he and he chose not to he could have been the king of restaurants yes and he chose not to be

spk_0 i think that aiman targaryen like in it in one sense he is the most lawful person

spk_0 well he's bound by so many laws yeah exactly i think he maintained the

spk_0 those binds throughout his entire life that was wavering towards the end of course with him

spk_0 with his feelings about denaris the vibe that i get is that aiman

spk_0 avoided the throne partly because he he feels that targaryen fire within himself and he doesn't

spk_0 trust himself with the power he fears his own nature yeah because we know that aiman and regga

spk_0 used to chat about azora high prophecy and stuff there were pen pals

spk_0 chatting about prophecy and we see like on the boat with sam that aiman like is pretty like keen

spk_0 on the azora high the whole is promised prophecy and stuff which is which makes me think if given

spk_0 the opportunity aiman would have participated in some of that fiery destiny sacrifice evil stuff

spk_0 but he never did any of it well i think that he might have a jaded view on it considering that he

spk_0 was alive for you know the summer hall disaster yeah i and he watched so much of his family die

spk_0 yeah i would love to know what aiman knows and thinks about summer hall

spk_0 oh well he's dead yes and he's stewing in a casque of rum

spk_0 aiman has a harshness to him like he he tells john to kill the boy and he told egg to kill the boy

spk_0 which i think is a is an encouragement to do harsh things and to let your innocence rest and

spk_0 do what you need to yeah so like you know what you need to that could be interpreted as you know

spk_0 for the good of the realm in a various sense early in the life chart says aiman did summer hall

spk_0 i i haven't heard that but that's a great theory because it might explain like aiman might be at the

spk_0 wall as a sort of a personal penance for encouraging egg to do summer hall wouldn't that be interesting

spk_0 wasn't he at the wall before that yes he was he went up with blood raven oh yeah

spk_0 maybe by correspondence yeah he was the orchestrator the secret conspirator behind the summer

spk_0 hall he's the one who just sent the fires dear brother egg make sure you burn all of our family when

spk_0 you try to hatch those records really work just did it as a prank egg you took that seriously

spk_0 what the hell man we can't read sarcasm in my letters at least i got a weird great grand

spk_0 nephew out of it aiman has a lot of like a benevolent aura like he like he's a very like he seems

spk_0 very wise and very caring yeah and he like encourages you know sam becoming a steward john like he

spk_0 seems wise and he cares about the night's watch and he cares about saving the world like could you

spk_0 imagine if he made it to denaris what like oh the wish fulfillment that would have been so so

spk_0 lovely to say i think that's that's what's going to be interesting when denaris arrives at

spk_0 westeros with like the worst people in the world as her advice yes like tyrion and victarian

spk_0 the tattered prince and dario and john snow is going to be like oh you're a tuggarian i'm a tuggarian

spk_0 oh aiman tuggarian was such a cool guy he was so wise he was so nice he was so lovely he was so

spk_0 unlike you the only tuggarian i ever met he was so much better and kinder and wiser than you

spk_0 except john has met craster who of course is a tuggarian and is the most evil person

spk_0 craster tuggarian you'll have to explain that one to me one day he's blood ravens bastard

spk_0 it's quite simple i actually i should kind of like that one yeah that's why the white walkers

spk_0 one is sons it may we yeah that does make a sense you're right it it follows perfectly

spk_0 and we know that blood ravens are hondog it's sheer and i think someone says that craster has

spk_0 some black blood in him i kind of i don't recall exactly yeah yeah no i think kraster is ex

spk_0 night's watch or like a night or night's watch bastard or something yeah i think that is said

spk_0 so we're kind of kind of one of the ironies that a lot of the night's watch is biggest

spk_0 wildling problems are in fact the children of night's watch or were ex night's watch

spk_0 yeah man and craster i think that a man is really hard to place

spk_0 because he doesn't really do very much he just gives advice and the advice is like mostly kind of

spk_0 good advice but the advice sort of leans in the direction of like maybe we should sacrifice the

spk_0 children for the fiery prophecy for what did you say earlier about what makes someone good is

spk_0 self sacrifice in the you know for the needs of others yeah true is that not exactly what aiman

spk_0 tells other people to do yeah that's right and i guess that he's defining act was abdicating the throne

spk_0 for what he believed was the greater good which is a pretty monumental thing to do could have

spk_0 been king decided not to be i think that aiman is very self sacrificing he extolls that virtue to

spk_0 everyone he can yeah and he's also very lower but i think he's up there with brie and i don't

spk_0 think he's quite that good just because he hasn't done yeah okay as much as some of those characters

spk_0 have i mean like characters like john snow and brie and have proven over and over and over and over

spk_0 that they will literally risk their life to save random other people over and over aiman does not

spk_0 have that track record of having done good things well he does he did sort of sacrifice his life

spk_0 he's wasting away at the edge of the world in service of the realm we don't know all of his reasons

spk_0 for that really i think that's context that is going to that George intends to reveal in Duncan

spk_0 egg that we haven't got yet because all we've got is like some very basic like he says like oh

spk_0 i don't want to be used politically again so i need to make myself gone from the realm it's self

spk_0 exile i mean like i mean it because what like aiman was a maester during the heronhole council

spk_0 or eight was it hey yeah and so that and so he refused to become king because he was sworn as a

spk_0 maester and so but that decision directly leads to egg on the fifth yes so it's the morality in

spk_0 that decision that i guess we need to judge because it is the biggest decision he ever made but

spk_0 was it a big like moral decision or was it just a while i'm a maester and i don't want to break my

spk_0 maester oath by becoming king because a maester isn't meant to be king like maybe it was a purely

spk_0 legalistic rule abiding thing i wasn't a big moral that makes him extremely lawful yeah i think

spk_0 either way he's very lawful yeah i guess he's is he near barry then he's near where we've put barry

spk_0 yeah i i still get like he's still a tougarian deep down and i get a little bit of bernie scary energy

spk_0 of him in his oh ladies acute old man he's a cute harmless old man yeah he wants the prince that was

spk_0 promised to remake the world in blood and foe yeah just a sweet old man but he's pretty lawful

spk_0 yeah it's good guy um don't you like one more than donations yeah that's probably a good idea

spk_0 all right who would you like to talk uh pick one from here i mean it'd be good to round out the

spk_0 stocks wouldn't it hmm who have we got does hot pie do anything in a song about some fire hot

spk_0 pie he bullies are you don't know yeah but then have you got some strong orane waters opinions

spk_0 that you'd like to oh boy do i all right let's do orane waters who is orane waters orane waters

spk_0 is the subject of my second ever series of videos not crazy what are those videos so uh it's

spk_0 basically it's just an exploration of who the hell this guy is and it was from seven years ago

spk_0 and i didn't know what the hell i was doing but look that chin he has a fuck what that could

spk_0 poke your eye oh my goodness so who is already watch your face there you and Mitchell that's

spk_0 that's just you and Mitchell it is isn't it um orane waters is the bastard of drift mark is um

spk_0 uh yeah the valarians interesting to see whether valarians have gotten to by the time of

spk_0 ice and fire for sure having spent all this time in hot the um orane uh is captured after the

spk_0 battle of black water where he fought for stanners and he defects to joffrey and then it winds

spk_0 up on Cersei's small council as the master of ships and then he gets hurt a commission these

spk_0 ten massive warships and then he runs away with them after convincing her to start to staff them

spk_0 with men directly loyal to him what a legend uh what a great move refuses to elaborate leaves

spk_0 fantastic that then later on line in a winds of winter sample chapter we hear that he's become a pirate

spk_0 board in the stepstones fantastic which is yet another like tertiary character of Georgia's sleeve

spk_0 that he could deploy to like save a battle a lot of the last minute or something ruin someone's

spk_0 plan or just to show up and be cool or and that's basically what that series of videos is about

spk_0 is like what the hell is this guy gonna do yeah it could be anything

spk_0 I uh and yeah the fun it's fun that like Cersei gives him all this political power just because like

spk_0 she has a hot yeah and he looks a little bit like regar kind of she thinks oh my god he looks

spk_0 exactly like regar and then a few chapters later she's like this guy looks nothing like regar

spk_0 and and there's a quinter GM tweet that made me think oh my god John Connington's gonna have

spk_0 the exact same reaction yeah John Connington's gonna meet Orin Waters and be like oh my god regar

spk_0 I mean love and then be like hang on every every every blonde who John Conner's ever met he's got oh my

spk_0 god regar I think he might be a little bit chaotic I think this guy's a bit chaotic and a bit evil

spk_0 it remains to be see exactly how evil he is I mean I mean he engages in piracy which

spk_0 we don't really know the extent of that I mean he's a pirate king that sounds like a lot of fun

spk_0 I don't think this is like a Disney pirate oh I think this is like a plundering and murdering pirate

spk_0 is probably what that means but I you know we have no details that we don't know but I don't

spk_0 think you become a pirate king in this world by like singing yo ho ho and like dancing about with

spk_0 beta pern is that what I'd have you watch oh it's been a minute it's been a minute well have you

spk_0 just watched that one episode of lazy town it's been a minute I think that he's lightly chaotic evil

spk_0 I think he's rather chaotic and yeah then question mark evil putting next uh who's that

spk_0 Miriamaz do it oh my god Miriamaz door is there yeah well I think that we had like we would have

spk_0 had some there was some solidly to say around the Miriamaz door yeah I mean she she killed the war

spk_0 lord who wiped out her entire community it's pretty epic assaulted her and she like might not

spk_0 have even intended for Daenerys's own born baby to die the way it did Miri's a whole thing

spk_0 Miri's a whole thing but it's it's crazy how there's been four published books and three novellas

spk_0 and all these other auxiliary materials and we still are like Miriamaz door from the first book I don't

spk_0 know I don't fucking know what she was up to George is a wizard of ambiguity like it's 29 he paints

spk_0 with blank spaces with negative space he just like he's made of question marks that guy but the

spk_0 association with Marwen I think led us to believe that Miri is non-tirely scrupulous she's not

spk_0 correct yeah she's she's not good okay all right well shall we respond to some of I would love

spk_0 to respond to super chats nothing gets me going more than super chats oh yeah oh yes all right

spk_0 thank you Mike at Trujillo who says how is living together going um living together

spk_0 he always leaves the toilet seat up as you request over says I just asked on blue sky for this exact

spk_0 stream let's go blue ask and you shall blue save Benjamin Brown says gloom and skiski finally caught

spk_0 one of these hell yeah hell yeah hell yeah Hugo Coronado says love the streams wins of winter

spk_0 2026 release optimism well George Martin said that the winds of winter was a year away every year

spk_0 from like 20 14 20 I think like 20 like 18 well like 20 like 17 that was the 18 20 a 2016 29

spk_0 3 and yeah in 2016 he also believed it was months away but since he repeatedly said that the

spk_0 winds was a year away five years ago he has not yet since made any projection of when it's going to

spk_0 come out for like five years or four years yeah I'm sick of looking back on previous streams and

spk_0 me like oh that's really cringed and might even have been the first part of this series where we're

spk_0 like oh yeah next year sounds pretty good and that was two years ago already um so I'm just not

spk_0 going to commit and say you know I felt more optimistic when George was saying more optimistic things

spk_0 yes in 2017 18 19 George was saying optimistic things so we reflected and I believed him and so I

spk_0 thought the winds was soon but these days George Martin has not been as optimistic about winds so

spk_0 I don't feel as optimistic he he look he has been recently saying and by recently I mean two to

spk_0 three years ago he was saying that winds is three quarters done and so I believe that winds is

spk_0 three quarters done and surely he could finish the last quarter you'd think he would finish the

spk_0 last quarter but you know it's such a bewildering creative project that you could imagine the last

spk_0 quarter would take five years for him to crack and then he would write all of it in a month like you

spk_0 it's it just feels like that could be the case so there's no knowing it's a it's a weird situation

spk_0 I'll say that yeah I'm I for one I'm glad that we're entering our third HBO series of unfinished

spk_0 ice and fire related material yeah so the night of the seven kingdoms tv show is scheduled to come

spk_0 out next year how podcasts about that show are going to be so convoluted in describing what we're

spk_0 talking about it is I mean is it I mean it's a tv show based on some short books said in

spk_0 restaurants when it comes to discussing the law around them which like inevitably we will do

spk_0 but like we're gonna have to you saw how complicated they got in drag and time

spk_0 yeah well I mean issues of like can on new city will be weird I like in theory they shouldn't

spk_0 have to change it so it could be very simple yeah and like they have said that the night of the

spk_0 seven kingdoms show will be simpler it's mostly just a drama focused mostly on two characters

spk_0 and it's about honor and it it shouldn't be too complicated and it shouldn't need to contradict

spk_0 the books at all but I mean I mean like hot day is a much more complicated situation because like

spk_0 the book fire and blood is such a complicated situation so like I think a night of the seven kingdoms

spk_0 shouldn't be as weird but like who knows who knows we won't know until we say it hope it's fun

spk_0 me too Cosmo stash says I know you and Swift have old shift next locked in your basement so hurry

spk_0 up and put him to work I need a new the real blank so the shifty can dunk on him with a sick

spk_0 wrap please I'm desperate for more bangers I don't I need don't care if it's dune or our swifes

spk_0 yeah I I'm not letting shift out until he finishes the video shift is working on too many different

spk_0 videos at once and I'm just gonna just gonna keep putting him on the hot coals until he uploads

spk_0 something that's complete unfortunately with those who VC doesn't really feel the hot coals

spk_0 true um too much hair products that thank you for that generous donation you to a why I got back

spk_0 into reading and I can't thank you enough finished all of us wife Duncan egg and the world books

spk_0 this year alongside a dozen others that's fantastic thanks to everything you do and keep up the

spk_0 great work old shift x face reveal when I my goal in this channel is to prevent people from

spk_0 reading books you know the whole reason why we talk about these books is so that you don't have

spk_0 to read them right yeah I think of myself as as the most fervent advocate of illiteracy on the internet

spk_0 and so boy you've got a lot of competition there yeah well we've got some work ahead of us then

spk_0 thank you you crani and d who says old shwiffer xbox and gloombers can't believe I caught you

spk_0 guys live for once your streams are absolute bangers indeed what is the alignment of tyrac

spk_0 lana's to horses are all chaotic evil ck to willica willica says how do you guys feel about HBO's

spk_0 a cotsca having the release state pushed back and do you have any theories as to why love you guys

spk_0 gotta go can't listen to this you'll hear it tomorrow yeah so like a night at the seven kingdoms

spk_0 was filmed like last year wasn't it and it has been pushed back to only being released next year

spk_0 and so it seems like there's been some kind of delay I'm not super clued up on all of the latest

spk_0 news on all of that I think that like HBO hasn't made a lot of official announcements about that

spk_0 show and there's a there's a lot of like a rumor and there's a lot of like misinformation so I don't

spk_0 claim to know exactly what the situation is with that show but I you know obviously something being

spk_0 delayed and pushed back that is not they can't sign it's probably not a good sign yeah but um look

spk_0 yeah I mean we'll judge the show when we see it you know shigeru mea motor was once famously

spk_0 misattributed as saying that um a delayed game is made better by the additional development time

spk_0 yeah I mean they're not delaying it to make it worse they're delaying it to make it a video game

spk_0 they're not going to be trying to make it worse someone might um thank you earth to magi who says oh my

spk_0 god it's glimbo raha and the shrift that was promised I'm off work because I broke my shoulder so

spk_0 this is welcome entertainment hope everything is all right I hope your shoulder gets better earth

spk_0 to magi yeah thank you um hope that hope that gets better before too long that stuff sucks

spk_0 you res goana bana who says you weren't supposed to be here no one was supposed to be here well great line

spk_0 oh imagine like the casting call for that cat's boy it's resticle brand we want someone who looks

spk_0 like they've been sleeping in a gutter for a month the filthiest mother fucker england can produce

spk_0 and again speaking of stiff competition Jason Roy says what's up doth glumbo and doth shifty

spk_0 the wise where's my epitet what the hell no way i caught a live stream life i'm from the wiziana and

spk_0 it's the rare occasion to be awake during a stream need a food description ranking of dunk and egg

spk_0 and the extra books we could do more food description yeah we probably should round out this

spk_0 here needs at some point are there any food descriptions in the tea well preview chapters i don't

spk_0 think there's many oh there might be there might be some and that i'm sure there'd be some in

spk_0 dunk and egg but i don't think there are too many somchewis feasts in dunk and egg so it'd be a

spk_0 pretty short live stream i think i'm eran grey joys trip could be thought of as a you know it's a

spk_0 sensory experience he has by drinking the shade of the evening are we gonna rank piet priz legs that

spk_0 get eaten by his fellow warlocks yeah i'm just gonna go straight ahead and say that's an f that's a

spk_0 i'm finally reading the books and loving them i demolished a game of thrones in six days and i'm

spk_0 going to finish clashed night or tomorrow here's a few bucks to keep your chins greased reading a

spk_0 game of thrones in six days is impressive yeah that is a lot of badger dance book hell yeah well done

spk_0 dark shifty is says do you like star trek do you like star trek i barely watched any star trek

spk_0 i'm going to watch the next generation it just you watch i'm gonna watch it you're very soon

spk_0 up for years but i really mean at this time i finished buffy are you finished yeah i was

spk_0 yeah i really enjoyed it are you gonna watch angel i have been watching angel hell most done with

spk_0 that as well can we do like a ranking every buffy episode live stream uh that's not gonna be a

spk_0 live stream but i think that that's gonna be a thesis that may be on on the scale of my every

spk_0 game of thrones episode ranked video no that would be intense i think that i would like to produce

spk_0 i have seen like two episodes of star trek the original series and i have seen like

spk_0 six episodes of star trek the next generation and i like i like what i've seen of star trek the

spk_0 next generation i like that it's basically like a workplace drama where everyone's just like

spk_0 trying to do their job well and like being thoughtful and professional about it which is very

spk_0 unusual like there aren't many shows like that now i feel and i like the you know retro vibe

spk_0 of it and i like the doorkiness of it so i like star trek and i'd like to watch more of it

spk_0 yeah that's that's basically my feelings too thank you blue into roses who says you guys make me laugh

spk_0 the name but landra changed my life as she has changed all of that what do you think about the

spk_0 theory that there was a stock secret that died with neds dad and brother that has to do with a long

spk_0 night coming back i feel like if ricard stark knew about the white walkers he might have like

spk_0 focused on that instead of focusing on fighting the targirings he wouldn't have had southern ambitions

spk_0 and there's not a lot to indicate that brand and knew anything about anything apart from like having

spk_0 sex is fun bro yes so like i do like the idea of some ancient stark knowledge being lost through

spk_0 the centuries but i think it could have happened slowly at any point over the last eight thousand years

spk_0 well there's some indication that torrent stark might have known something yes so i think between

spk_0 then and ricard yes or maybe even craggin i don't know yes yeah well they're talking about an egg on

spk_0 a gondconquest show or movie is apparently still in development yeah that's right so it's something

spk_0 that they could explore in which i hope they don't fuck up i hope they don't fuck up anything

spk_0 i would like nothing to be fucked up ideally

spk_0 mostly the fool says i've been waiting three years for a rapid-fired non-serious alignment for

spk_0 George Ryan david and Dan help me drag and slay glider sign and execution that's now

spk_0 that's great what's that ever has dark souls nice uh well this is a minefield but i'm going to do

spk_0 do it anyway i think that uh George is chaotic good i agree

spk_0 George has made a lot of charitable donations and is invested in a lot of businesses just to like

spk_0 invest in his local community avoid incest and at all and you know he speaks to such moral goods as

spk_0 that yeah he stands up for the cause in spite of what he rinded off he's position on incest is

spk_0 somewhat ambiguous but i'd say in all other areas George is clearly someone who cares a lot about

spk_0 people and wants a good yeah positive message and he actually puts his money where his mouth is

spk_0 yeah and then the dog sanctuary yeah there's a lot of like charitable stuff that he's done that is

spk_0 cool and you know i mean he's greatest charitable act of course was buying us a barita yeah that was

spk_0 very because we were hungry at the bar i came to Santa van i hadn't packed lunch and chaotic because

spk_0 i think that like there's a as a certain like he's creative yeah like you're on great joy he's creative

spk_0 oh my goodness uh i mean right look we don't know very much we've met George but we haven't

spk_0 met any of the others and there's a lot less knowledge about the public lives of the others yeah

spk_0 yeah we don't know as much about those other guys i mean you know if i was to um basically speculate

spk_0 i would say that i do i i feel like like creative people and people who work in hollywood in general

spk_0 are going to be more on the chaotic end of the spectrum because from the little i know about

spk_0 hollywood and the world of like tv and movie production it's people make shit up and there's a lot of

spk_0 wheeling and dealing and there's a lot of like promises that may or may not be kept and there's a lot

spk_0 of like hopes and dreams and sparkle and shine that may or may not have substance and a lot of the time

spk_0 people are just out for themselves yeah and like you know obviously i'm sure you know there's

spk_0 heaps of great people but i i think that it's a system that requires you to engage in a little

spk_0 bit of bullshittery if you want to participate in the the business of making shows and movies um

spk_0 and you know i say that not about any particular person i'm just saying that's the impression that

spk_0 i get from the little that i know about the how the industry works in the industry yeah so that's

spk_0 as much as i feel like and say i think they're all evil evil and we'll make our thumbnail with

spk_0 fiery eyes coming out of debing wises face and Ryan condolzies yeah reborn autumn says hey

spk_0 altous and glide swift x a question do you think something major in the plot will happen on the

spk_0 aisle of faces i hope so had the thought because in a game of thrones when Danny is first thinking

spk_0 of westeros out of all the places she names she lists the i yeah the aisle of faces has been

spk_0 of note to George from the very very beginning yeah i think that George has had plans for the

spk_0 aisle of faces and i'm sure that things like plenty of things have happened there that we just don't

spk_0 know about hmm many people speculate the brand stark might rule as king from the aisle of faces i

spk_0 like that it's cool some people speculate that uh regal togarian and leana stark may have gotten

spk_0 married on the aisle of faces and that brand stark may have a vision of that through the eyes of

spk_0 the weirwoods on the aisle of faces i like that uh there's also stuff about uh was it Adam

spk_0 yeah the laryon visits the aisle of faces during the house of the dragon minor possible spoilers for

spk_0 season three i guess um so those are always that the aisle of faces could come into the story i mean

spk_0 i mean shout out to Ryan condolz for putting a fucking green man in house of the dragon season two

spk_0 because the green man tended to the aisle of faces and seemed to be the sort of

spk_0 wicken priests who party there so that dying weirwood pointing toward the aisle of faces it's such

spk_0 an evocative image like the aisle of faces seems to be the the heart of west aros the spiritual

spk_0 magical heart of the old gods and it's right next to haran hol which is the rotten evil burned

spk_0 charred corpse of the political institutions of west aros so like the symbolism and the geography

spk_0 and the name gods i of the lake on which the aisle of faces is i mean which the apostrophe is unclear

spk_0 the apostrophe occasionally appears then goes missing again shift slightly to the right and

spk_0 disappears again so like there's so much like symbolic groundwork there that yeah it's gotta be

spk_0 important i i feel like i i feel like aisle of faces is a big like dream of spring location for me

spk_0 yeah i got that vibe as well thank you Lewis kai kins kins kins who says hello swamble and global your

spk_0 vids always bright in my day much love from north of the wall which wall is Lewis north of

spk_0 adriens uh my nanns grand martyred garden wall over the garden wall yeah thank you quick history who

spk_0 says high sword and gun currently painting some night's watch for the song of ice and fire miniature

spk_0 game sick thank you sincerely for being one of the best parts of the community thank you quick

spk_0 history quick history for that baseless assumption rebuwan ordin says part two oh yes that that was

spk_0 them there um i just found it curious it's so early in the books it felt like the aisle of faces

spk_0 got a lot of attention being mentioned earlier in brand one i felt like it's inclusion in the game

spk_0 of thorns rather than later books makes it more relevant yes we we agree thank you blue

spk_0 interrosis who says which character would be the best wedding date interesting who is fun in these books

spk_0 i mean uh i i mean even like some of edm you as friends i feel like edm you and his friend

spk_0 this would be kind of fun down for a party yeah um who else is like just like charismatic and a fun

spk_0 good time dollarous ed dollarous i think that uh eron damp air before he became a priest party boy

spk_0 eron he was a party boy uh i honestly want to hang out with barbary dustin just because she's

spk_0 intriguing but i don't know if it'd be like fun this is early such an out of field pick i don't

spk_0 i'm just thinking weddings i i think barbary's fun uh roose bulton oh my stone what about my

spk_0 stone yeah that sounds like that sounds like a riot yeah yeah yeah all right i pick my stone

spk_0 thank you el tamazil who says do you think bowin plays the bureaucrats song from future drama do you

spk_0 mean the uh it's like calipso jig that homies improvises in that one episode is that what you're talking

spk_0 about i i think her name is and bowin shares some DNA for sure absolutely do you think

spk_0 do you think her name is con right is going to stab fry in the house yes stab on

spk_0 we need to write that fan thinking they have actually happened yeah probably there's a lot of

spk_0 seasons are they still making more future r i cast or than i didn't finish watching the stuff that

spk_0 came out a few years ago and now they did i i didn't hate it some of it i hate it i didn't hate

spk_0 all of it thank you katrina simmons who says my theory is that sensor seems to misremember a kiss from

spk_0 the hound because bran is still a 10 year old kid and he's just trying to mess with his big sister

spk_0 love your music limbo keep it up oh thank you are you saying that bran is using magic shenanigans

spk_0 to fuck with his memory yes that's a weird choice to make by bran to trick his sister into thinking

spk_0 that this weird gross scary man sister that is a funny idea i want to i want you to know that i

spk_0 think that's funny uh that that brans just messing with his sister's head um however sometimes i

spk_0 think that an unreliable narrator is just an unreliable narrator i think that um it is maybe a

spk_0 bad idea to give a 10 year old boy the power to uh alter space time and like how do you figure

spk_0 i just i think i i feel like i don't know i want at least a little bit of comedy when bran

spk_0 stark like gains his like green sear powers and he's like what do i do with like all time and space

spk_0 like i mean he's probably gonna want to look at boobies honestly is the first thing uh uh uh

spk_0 uh boy i'm not too young for that yeah maybe he's too young but i mean i feel like there's going to be

spk_0 bad and silly things will happen where yeah someone that young gets that kind of it's gonna be

spk_0 comedic one way or the other in a dark way or just a lighthearted fun way i don't see much

spk_0 lighthearted fun happening in blood ravens cave unfortunately that's true all signs point to

spk_0 absolute horror that we might find funny as an outsider but probably not thank you Ben

spk_0 something who says uh lawful is a word if daemon had ridden over gwayne corbray used to

spk_0 would be as lawful and the red dragon would be remembered as chaotic okay so we're talking about

spk_0 daemon blackfire yeah so i had to regain my entire brain here like he said daemon and i'm like

spk_0 matt smith just appeared in my mind's eye now that's just your ten year old brother messing with you

spk_0 again there's a deep friota jpeg with his chin all gigantic so all right well so we're talking

spk_0 about redgrass field or the black fire rebel wise chin as well it has depth and width

spk_0 whereas you and michael is like pointy you know what i mean could you do for chin ranking absolutely

spk_0 they belong on a chart they belong on a chart like this like you can put the mentionality to

spk_0 who has the girthiest chin no we got to like rank up yeah we got to rank it by like chin pointy

spk_0 ness and chin broad what do you do with beards though because mark addy's robber brachian has a very

spk_0 broad chin but it's not its chin it's his beard i don't think beards count as chin's

spk_0 beard or no one's chin looks like that ranking area it's a whole other chart no one's ever seen his chin

spk_0 well i what the actor is shaved surely well we've got to look at that evidence i don't care

spk_0 about the actor i'm here for robber brachian do care about the actor i hope he's doing well

spk_0 i so i think what Ben is saying is that uh histories are written by the victors and if the blackfires

spk_0 have either the tagarians then all of those quote unquote traitors who supported blackfires would

spk_0 in fact be remembered as the loyalist absolutely so yeah um i guess that's true of a lot of wars

spk_0 is that the winners are the losers are defined as traitors after the fact if we were to place

spk_0 used to saws gray on this i i think we we would try to factor all of that in yeah but i mean as we

spk_0 said at the top like the fundamental difficulty of this exercise is that we're judging morality

spk_0 within the context of a neemoral political system and that's just kind of impossible to escape

spk_0 no matter how you look at it allie says did you guys get to see superman thoughts on mille

spk_0 as supergoal have you seen superman i have not seen superman yet a lot of people have told me

spk_0 that it's good i am excited to watch it i just haven't done it yet i um i'm not normally a big superhero

spk_0 guy i haven't seen a lot of the marvels and the dc yeah i haven't been to a cape movie in like 80s

spk_0 or something i liked guardians of the galaxy and uh that's that's about that's about the extent of my

spk_0 superhero thoughts but yeah i want to see superman people say it's good and yeah i mean look i'm

spk_0 happy for mille alcock to be flying around punching people if that's what she does i'm all for

spk_0 that although i think you all should watch um upright with uh mille alcock i knew you were going

spk_0 to say upright you're so predictable i'm so predictable i mean but yes there are two legends

spk_0 yeah mille is great what a great show so uh yeah all four of

spk_0 we of course are the prime mille alcock efficient artist as host of the mille alcoxinos podcast

spk_0 yeah we probably should watch superman just for the mille alcox knows because she actually in the movie

spk_0 or i believe so yeah all right if i'm i want to get a refund if there isn't enough mille screen time

spk_0 yeah it is different knows is an occupying at least 10% of the screen for five seconds i'm out of there

spk_0 thank you emrose who says calmly if i call it a live love your content would either of you

spk_0 consider reading the wheel of time well i mean we've been asked this before i have heard that

spk_0 wheel of time is great however i've also heard that it's thirteen books long and it gets good

spk_0 around book five uh and i also know short books and i also have heard that bezos made a show

spk_0 of wheel of time that was bad and not faithful to the books so it's it's it's on my list of things to

spk_0 read but it's not all that high up my list of things to read what about you uh same boat basically

spk_0 no i haven't read it thank you jell who who says thank you both oh thank you thank you

spk_0 poll who says hi glean deferris and shvilde and friday shriffton friday yep yep i've been

spk_0 what thanks for the past past the test i've been watching the backlog of your streams and i'm happy

spk_0 to catch one you're all real ones you're a real one poll thank you thanks poll

spk_0 bane's basement says i see john the spatching of bowin then eventually thinking of and relating to him

spk_0 when it comes time to betrayally to himself such as stanny uh stannis or danny stanny and danes

spk_0 and danes stanny and danes i i agree i mean it reminds me of rob having to execute on off

spk_0 castor which is like that pointy moment the george gives many of these characters where they're like

spk_0 oh doing my job and being a leader means i have to cut people's heads off sometimes and in the tv

spk_0 show kit harrington was like really into it when he killed allisa and that child and that child

spk_0 and they he didn't really seem to think about it there wasn't the same gravity given to it as

spk_0 umbrichid madden beheading on of castor i mean i guess in the in season six kit harrington says oh

spk_0 it hurt to kill a twelve year old boy it does say that in one scene in the next episode and then

spk_0 never really think about it again that's the sum total of kit harrington's thoughts about

spk_0 executing a child but i think that in the book yeah i think that there definitely will be a bit of

spk_0 bit of reflection on john having to kill his own people who killed him totally francey c says

spk_0 finally caught alive been wanting to hear uu opinions on sorry i i shouldn't dismiss people for

spk_0 trying to capitalize on their character limits um tv versions of john slash torment johnman

spk_0 personally a huge favor do you mean as a ship i think it's more of a far the lee sun type

spk_0 relationship as we've said john snow has many daddies in a song of us and so i i uh i like

spk_0 their relationship i like torment in the books because he has a lot of sadness and pathos and depth

spk_0 to him and i hope that torment is like right or die with john i i think he will be

spk_0 maybe torment will come north john i don't know if torment is i know torment i think is like a

spk_0 physically capable ranger type dude he's getting on he's a bit long in the tooth but i think that

spk_0 i i could see him being like you know one last great hara sort of vibe does the term long in the

spk_0 tooth refer to your gums receding as ua i believe it or not i think it's a reference to horses

spk_0 it's all horses isn't it's horses all the way down horses all the way down yeah i could totally see

spk_0 torment like tragically dying alongside john when he's one week away from retirement

spk_0 and then mage somewhere mage more mortgist starts crying in the lounge pit

spk_0 in the jack pile carpet passes the blunder up the day

spk_0 hell yeah thank you toni manik who says thanks for revisiting one of my favorite topics can't wait

spk_0 to listen to this on some upcoming business flights have you considered ranking the deaths

spk_0 of a song of ice and fire bit macabre but would like to hear your thoughts is that on our list i

spk_0 think it's on our list um add it to the pile with the others that's the thing we keep having ideas

spk_0 and we keep not having streams i mean we've streamed a fair bit lately i haven't we no no really

spk_0 it feels like it's been a while golly anonymous tips um it uh thank you just finished writing

spk_0 my vows and i see i have the chance to catch you alive what could make this night better

spk_0 are you are you getting married anonymous sounds like it awesome congratulations

spk_0 thank you still george who says do you think george has any backups of wins in case a solar flare

spk_0 hits Santa Fe or an explosion of some kind um yeah look i i i trust the good folks around george

spk_0 to insist on a backup if it left to his own devices the answer is absolutely not

spk_0 yeah i uh if george didn't have people taking care of that stuff for him no

spk_0 yeah we're not going to spill any beans but george george's grasp of the latest information technology

spk_0 is not always cutting edge but he does have some people helping him with some of that stuff so

spk_0 if i had to guess i'd say yes there's a backup i sure hope there's a backup god please let

spk_0 them here back imagine if there was like a five year delay because he spilled a diet coke on his

spk_0 i mean people have theorized that that's what happened like if your george like george was saying in

spk_0 2016 he was months away from finishing some people have theorized that george like accidentally lost

spk_0 the book and had to start over and like if you were george in that situation i would never admit it

spk_0 i would be too embarrassed to admit yeah yeah have you ever lost a video that you were working on

spk_0 have you ever lost a video i have lost some like a bit of work i mean we work with the dobi so we

spk_0 know what it's like to have a crash destroy your stuff luckily a dobi hasn't encroached on the

spk_0 word process of space yet yeah they're never going to use herb george's use of word star as soon as

spk_0 ms word joins the dobi creative cloud we we all are doomed thank you ledness for becoming a member

spk_0 that's just straight up awesome for me and there's nothing to do with you yeah it dicks on me

spk_0 disco grass says lawful equals sticking to your conventions first chaotic is willing to break your

spk_0 oats and compromise your priorities well good equals further words about alignment charts

spk_0 doing things detrimental to your personal interests of your health others and evil is doing

spk_0 things that serve you even good intent thoughts i think that's a good interpretation i i mean i

spk_0 would i feel like lawful should also refer to the laws and conventions of the world and the society

spk_0 that you're in like i feel like if you stick to your convictions but in complete defiance of

spk_0 everybody around you that seems a bit chaotic to me but i mean i think there are many different

spk_0 possible interpretations of this is when it comes to fiction especially if we're not in a

spk_0 characters head it's difficult to know what is in someone's heart and what is something they're

spk_0 compromising yeah i mean people are mostly going to be judged not on the contents of their heart

spk_0 which are unseeable they're going to be judged by their conformity to the rules of their world

spk_0 which is more seeable that's why we have the law i guess i guess i see i guess now it makes sense i

spk_0 guess i'll stop breaking the law then emma croxon page says it's a pity surce never found out

spk_0 that jane westerling is maggie's great granddaughter i would have loved to see that such a cool idea

spk_0 oh my god emma says i would have loved to see how her beautiful mind received that

spk_0 oh that's fantastic that would be cool there's still time i yeah no it would be very funny

spk_0 for cerci to find that out after like jane has disappeared into the west and being like

spk_0 cerci says you're telling me that the evil witch who like prophesied my doom like a great grand

spk_0 daughter just slipped out of my clutches i mean cerci was married to a young wolf who tried to

spk_0 destroy me well yeah yeah yeah true it would seem to validate all of cerci's paranoia

spk_0 maybe jane westerling was the beautiful younger queen yeah i guess she used the beautiful

spk_0 younger queen who helps bring down like oh my god what i mean one of several yes i think that

spk_0 cerci's reaction would be to try to punish jane westerling as horrifically as possible is what

spk_0 cerci's reaction would probably be because that's how cerci tends to treat people anything anything

spk_0 especially women so yeah good thing for jane that cerci has not found out not put that one together yet

spk_0 but yeah that's a whole thing because like the spicer family and like that conspiracy working with

spk_0 tywin to interrupt rob like that's a whole thing that's not in the show that's only in the books

spk_0 yeah in the show it's because he's an idiot yeah yeah thank you are 56 who says will there be a

spk_0 i have no idea what that is is it about sharks i hope so thank you richard holester 71 who says in

spk_0 one of barrisons chapters in a dance with dragons he mentions the death of rega's kids and how he

spk_0 would have killed robber if he had seen him smile when presented by tywin do you think robbert

spk_0 enjoyed the deaths of what are the names rainy sun egon tagarigan that's them little kiddos i

spk_0 think robber loved it yeah like that i mean that's why robber is probably still too too far up on the

spk_0 good side of the equation robbert killed in tagarian kids and he continues to love killing tagarian kids

spk_0 in book one when he orders denarius and denarius's unborn baby to be killed so uh

spk_0 killing yeah i mean he does eventually reneg on that but like only on his deathbed which you know

spk_0 does that even count i think it count uh it's real easy to say all of the moral and good things when

spk_0 you don't have to do them because you're gonna be dead a lot of people recant their sins on their

spk_0 deathbed that's true i think that's what i'll do yeah that often says glimburts and ult orphanex

spk_0 white or yellow cheddar asking the real deep ones today oh yellow yeah i think yellow i'm not really

spk_0 a chase guy truth be told really yeah i don't i don't really care for chase that much i went i

spk_0 mean where's like in stuff like a cheesy like pastor of a reader or something can be i mean cheese

spk_0 makes things better but like cheese on its own i'm not like a cheese platter guy i'm not like a

spk_0 cheese board guy really i think i'm less enthusiastic about the cheese board than then my demographic

spk_0 would belay but yeah some people fucking frothed that's that's true i know i feel similarly about

spk_0 wine like i i'll have wine but i'm not i'm not gonna structure my life around it if i don't get

spk_0 any i'm not gonna wine about it oh that's like a um what you call it a pain leave me alone

spk_0 leave leave me alone i was i wasn't coming after you man i heard sass thank you frankie dclc who says

spk_0 howdy it's bedtime for me which really means i'm silencing the screens and reading a book

spk_0 that is how you sleep here so i can't stick around to see glimpthondracus

spk_0 try to convince shrift abulatron that viserys a third was a great guy but i thought i'd pop in and

spk_0 say hello uh did we do that i think we must have done that last time i i look you did consenched

spk_0 a viserys going in the chaotic evil corners i'm never like the guy's evil it's just it never it's

spk_0 just i just think he's neat okay well it's not a neat ranking is it we're not we're not judging

spk_0 them on their neatness elbert says well netstock did make fion carry his big sword at beheadings

spk_0 that gave me pause the child who he might be beheading one day like the threat of having a hostage

spk_0 award is hey baylon grayjoy if you go to war with us we have your son that is an awesome point

spk_0 that i have not heard of before but you're right the fact that net made fion specifically

spk_0 carry the sword that may well be used to cut off the on the head if he rebels i mean that's

spk_0 got to be deliberate by george if not by net my god that's dark is it always like does it

spk_0 is it made a note that net always gets the on to do that well yeah maybe not always but the one time

spk_0 that we see yeah yeah someone crazy yeah cool i mean in some sense the on is just sort of like

spk_0 neds assistant he's just like the receptionist for the guy who beat his dad in a fight once

spk_0 i always assume that's how it worked in like school yard pretty much you know my dad beat up your

spk_0 dad so i own you now yeah that's that's basically artwork yeah elimists says doesn't it make sense

spk_0 that tough created planetose he's created psychic animals before and would probably want to create

spk_0 a dnd version of earth i mean tough from the tough voyaging books is basically george modern

spk_0 george modern created as long as ice and fire so i think all of this tracks yeah this is just

spk_0 total kingdom all over again tough can't can't this city i don't oh tough is an interesting

spk_0 like i don't think he would preside over all of that yeah i don't think tough wants to be a god

spk_0 but he might make a world just like for kicks yeah totally who wouldn't hope says glumble and swinge

spk_0 oh like bumble and hinge i bring greetings from the far northern realm of Alaska your works always

spk_0 lend my day a dollarous edge hey nice also king juffery wasn't poisoned his throat just kind of

spk_0 did that yeah i think he just had he just was allergic to the poison you know when you have

spk_0 like choke on your own saliva you know when you're like swallow wrong and then you like almost

spk_0 die and you're like man what an embarrassing way to die imagine if i just accidentally swallowed my

spk_0 tongue is this a me problem no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no you're right you're right

spk_0 it's like you swallow your you swallow like your saliva goes down your trachea and you're like how

spk_0 the hell does human anatomy allow for this to even be a problem yeah this seems like it seems

spk_0 like a bug fix is required like like devs please patch we need to roll out the beta as soon as possible

spk_0 like the fact that i can like get like cheese in my lungs if i like if i like skill issue while i'm

spk_0 eating seems like something that god should probably have like thought through or maybe it's

spk_0 user issue i don't use a error i don't am a croxon page thank you again says i know we all joke

spk_0 about net inventing punnett squares bike of hair but i think he already frantically invented them when

spk_0 john was a baby and found out that nymphons change i and hair colors sometimes uh so that's a

spk_0 dense sentence um so nid realizes that jofrey and macella and tom and arne robert's children

spk_0 because because they don't have black hair and all of the baratheon kids have black hair due to

spk_0 very simplistic mandatly in genetics and john snow presents a similar problem because

spk_0 john seems to maybe probably be the child of regar tog areian and leana stark and so if john

spk_0 turned out to be blonde like regar that would be a problem because people would wonder huh why is

spk_0 net stock i mean net could just say that he had sex with a blonde woman yeah his mom's blonde

spk_0 like that would work i went to lease yeah so i mean but yeah it would still be sus and i feel like robert

spk_0 and especially if john had the purple eyes but i mean yeah i mean leit lysine have that as well so

spk_0 like i mean you know he could have just fibbed but but it's a lucky thing for net that john has

spk_0 dark hair so it's not as sus or it could be as many have theorized that valerian traits are simply

spk_0 just weaker recessive yeah i've heard people like use that word recessive as though

spk_0 it's this simple binary thing and like i don't know a lot about genetics but i feel like it's

spk_0 not simple binary the genetics of isenfire are what simpler than real world genetics it appears well

spk_0 yeah i mean it's very silly that people go on about like oh the stark look and people wreck oh you're

spk_0 a stark i can tell by your long face and your dark hair but it's like one generation they marry

spk_0 cutlin and then all the stocks are red headed and it's like how is it that there are these like

spk_0 persistent family looks like the lannisters have been blonde and going ahead for like

spk_0 generation they marry into a new family like it don't yeah it doesn't really um

spk_0 bear scrutiny i don't think but um you know i'm not a more modest oh uh good the longer we go the more

spk_0 i'm just gonna not resist the oh should do like really awful dunes so um so pounce says you're on

spk_0 as evil because he's always on that glass candle he had too much screen time an ipad baby

spk_0 yeah

spk_0 your one isn't ipad baby that's what happens if you let your child use the glass candle before bed

spk_0 yeah all the all the tick tocky oh and it's hard or ringly needed to wind is winder kid in

spk_0 yeah sure thank you that's um that's that's balon's wife what's their mums

spk_0 they don't we know anyway kwellan fucked up kwellan made a series of errors by buying that ipad

spk_0 thank you kei lib who says glido convinced you have to do girls going canon before she

spk_0 if does uh you should do girls going canon it's lots of fun yeah so that's a ison fire podcast

spk_0 yeah yeah they're doing a read through like chapter by chapter analysis yeah cool i have heard

spk_0 good things and i went on and did dany six the game of thrones you know the visceris chapter

spk_0 uh because they know me nice uh had a lot of fun cool yeah no i would like to check out more of

spk_0 that podcast maybe it could line up with the cockabridged yeah like that's like the the alignment of

spk_0 the spheres yeah that's because yeah girls going canon and a cockabridged are going through the

spk_0 chapters in different orders so like yeah if you consult the moon sharts you will find a time when

spk_0 we are covering the same chapter massive planetarium room in the library and avatar and you'll

spk_0 find the time where those planetary cycles align you're gonna need like a quantum computer to

spk_0 predict when a cockabridged is gonna strike let alone how it's going to intersect with the complexities

spk_0 of the girls gone canon schedule so yeah we'll consult the shots yeah yeah we'll be cool if they

spk_0 have a left maybe girls gone canon should just do the episode of the cockabridged on the ultra

spk_0 effects channel while i do the episode on the girls gone canon channel and we just don't comment or

spk_0 explain why this has happened i'm a bit confused um glob swimbo says wins will come out soon

spk_0 it came to me in the in the dream the other night it was a 1500 manuscript pages of i s

spk_0 selling oasis cleanse and cockles in bravos yeah i would actually have mad respect if joja

spk_0 modern just made a post a post tomorrow that said all right you know what i had a bit of difficulty

spk_0 trying to finish wins so instead of writing the wins of winter i've written a fat Jerusalem-sized

spk_0 novel of i have having adventures in bravo i think he's spoken about wanting to do that

spk_0 joja said that he wants to write like novels and novels about i as adventures in bravos

spk_0 maybe he should just do that i think he really should just have done at this point

spk_0 maybe he should just do that i'm bravo i've said it before is like probably the most exciting

spk_0 untap the location in george's world and aria is just such a fun chaotic character and all of the

spk_0 background of the mysteries of the face is wonderful and it's so evocative of all the other shit

spk_0 he's written in his career like it's just rife for exploration and that whole setting of the more

spk_0 sort of like technologically socially economically advanced city like all those like european

spk_0 capitals of the time like there's a very particular era that is drawing from yeah that gives him a

spk_0 lot to play with the young doing well roasted Amsterdam and Venice yeah just so much fun thank you

spk_0 small Paul superfan he says oh um

spk_0 armad says bowing shit marsh repeatedly spreads defeat his Amanda spare back argues every single

spk_0 thing his lord commander says openly has a meltdown for everyone when he hears an order he doesn't like

spk_0 it's lawful good yeah no i mean look you're real for that one armad because something that we

spk_0 didn't acknowledge is that from john's perspective but when is is it really annoying yeah he's a

spk_0 bitch he's really annoying and he just complains and brings up problems and he doesn't offer like

spk_0 any solutions well he's a bureaucrat yeah that's what they do well he's doing his job it's like i

spk_0 don't know if it's bowins bowin is just trying to do his job and he's alloting john to the very

spk_0 serious problems that are indeed very serious problems but like yes from john's perspective bowin

spk_0 is a giant pain in the ass who does nothing constructive so that's part of why john doesn't like

spk_0 communicate with him also yeah bowin marsh shows up to his office and he's like oh

spk_0 fucking hell this guy yeah the old pomegranate thank you lodlauzek 990 who says no idea what's

spk_0 happening but as a dnd player and arse-wife fan this is going to be a mess absolutely can't wait

spk_0 to see what happens been listening to dragon time at work and being making work bearable glad we

spk_0 thank you ariks evil twin who says thanks for everything thank you ariks evil twin

spk_0 thank you eager who says hey shrift and gibi would you guys be interested in reading the

spk_0 witcher books the first two are made up of short stories but still worth reading those bastards are

spk_0 the only good thing to come out of Poland in the last century so give them a go yeah i've heard

spk_0 good things i i mean i like the idea that it's short stories i'm a fan of short stories i do like

spk_0 short stories i feel like i should just play the witcher three that's been like on my list for a while

spk_0 it's a very very bloody good game yeah everyone says that i i played like the first like few hours of

spk_0 witcher three once and i was like yeah the writing in this game is better than the writing in any game

spk_0 i've ever played except maybe for disco bellissium you played disco allysium well i played the first few

spk_0 i played like the first few hours of like several things but like i have not finished uh all that

spk_0 many things a lot of modern games are just so fucking big and who has the time when i'm too busy playing

spk_0 boulders game thank you Charles and i've got to fit in my three hours of Isaac every day of course

spk_0 when are we doing another Isaac livestream right after this stream ends old swift

spk_0 streams thank you Charles doggan who says swift apotomus and astrogliders please don't

spk_0 don't call me that with your food series did you set out to write a dissertation on George

spk_0 Martin's style in moral commentary or just to riff on George Martin's fetish for bacon burned black

spk_0 both uh look when we started we did not expect or realize that it would go as deep as it did

spk_0 i think it did start as a shit post yeah i mean like everything we do it started as a shit post

spk_0 but then abs like accidentally became kind of interesting along the way yeah yeah thanks

spk_0 levilla hawthorn who says greetings glonair as horse born and john sniffed fucking hell thank you

spk_0 for helping me laugh relax leave and for inspiring me to write my own fantasy stories oh that's awesome

spk_0 hell yeah every redhead in west roe is secretly torment's child especially tolleys

spk_0 scene fake john snow eight times wow you must know all of the hay bales eight times that's like

spk_0 what two hundred hours of us talking about kid harrington are you okay that's that's awesome should we

spk_0 call someone is your family like are they you know of course if you would like to watch our magnum

spk_0 opus the fake john snow a 22 hour long video about kid harrington you can watch it on the gliders

spk_0 patreon or the old shift x patreon which i hacked or nebula it's pre it's pre it's long

spk_0 and it is coming to youtube someday also remember to like and subscribe to glimpses

spk_0 oh if you could like the strain that'd be awesome that'd be pretty cool did imagine if everyone

spk_0 pressed the like button what a world we're living if everyone pressed the like button yeah

spk_0 uh it just like a match yeah like the like button is such a weird construct because like it used

spk_0 to be that it would be a measure of like the quality of the video yeah that was the dislikes yeah

spk_0 but and back when there was like the five star rating system and everything but like five star

spk_0 rating take me back with it to return it's like slowly evolved into this completely arbitrary

spk_0 measure of like the youtuber's ability to convince the viewer to perform an arbitrary task

spk_0 press button for like nothing more than to measure whether they can make people perform a task

spk_0 which like can we make you press the like button it's a very weird it's like a it's like a um

spk_0 Pavlovian sit you i don't know what i'm saying it's just weird man i don't think you do it's just

spk_0 it's weird man it is thank you nanny moose who says to the shrift oh to the glimps till the

spk_0 grease dripped down my chin was that the correct delivery of that yeah that was perfect okay

spk_0 anonymous says hi go and have you read any of robin hobbs works go and seems to think highly of her

spk_0 writing love your work and i'll be attending gliders a feast of T. Well live in concert mukbang in

spk_0 2058 yeah Madison Square Garden be there someone was just telling me to read robin hob i don't

spk_0 know much about her but she's meant to be a really good fantasy girl i don't think i've read anything

spk_0 by robin hobb yeah i think you just go grouse who says do you want better winds opens with a homage

spk_0 to muppet movie 19 so i'm already there mage and gal but in robber stumble upon howland read twang

spk_0 he's banjo on a log and shatten with lizard lions in his best comb at the frog he says you name

spk_0 easy seeing green wags out thank you arkas theobal says wow one thousand viewers at only 300 likes

spk_0 you must be rude to susato to pull one out for susato yeah well jokes on you we've got six

spk_0 hundred twenty two likes now so you know thank you silvie brevac who says watching this in my

spk_0 uni tutorial as i get my work done i've been watching you guys since high school and i'm about to

spk_0 finish my degree crazy crazy thanks for reminding me how long i've been doing this that's that's

spk_0 great thanks silvie i hope you're watching this on full volume in your uni tutorial i hope that your

spk_0 tutor knows exactly what's going on here i think and has strong opinions about where we put small

spk_0 poll i think my actual like worst nightmare is like people being on like trains or public places

spk_0 listening to this with the volume up i think that i think that like i've never actually it's never

spk_0 occurred to me before that might be the case but now that it has i'm actually like that sounds

spk_0 awful i'm actually like cringing through the floor considering the possibility that people out in

spk_0 the public uh having to listen to this against the bill because someone's just like playing it

spk_0 yeah someone has to listen to secret tunnel because i press the button on the sound board

spk_0 like i just trying to do their commute the removal of the headphone jack and its consequences

spk_0 have been disastrous for human civilization i completely agree thank you use of q who says

spk_0 love all that you do shifterless and glim bob who's your favorite hand of the king viscerus the

spk_0 second the left one i am left hand yep thank you stankey who says do you think bloodraven can tell

spk_0 tergary and prophetic visions apart from greets i think a great question what do you think he would do

spk_0 if he had a dragon dream of bitist eels gilded skull paraded before feygone on that i love that question so

spk_0 much well what do you think i think that it's um having read and maybe enough of a george's work

spk_0 i think it makes complete sense that bloodraven would not be able to tell the difference

spk_0 yeah i um i like every other character in a song of ison fire can't discern the source of their wacky

spk_0 dreams yeah yeah and like lots of characters have dreams not just the you know tagareans and

spk_0 yeah a lot of them might have been sent from bloodraven yeah the the dreams are all very sort of

spk_0 confusing and ambiguous and they're like interpreted through the lens of that particular person

spk_0 and you know bloodraven seems extremely befuddled yeah i i i i i i i i i anyone more confused

spk_0 than bloodraven can we rank characters he's the puppet master right everyone thinks of bloodraven

spk_0 is like the the king god figure who's orchestrating everything but when brand meets him he's like what

spk_0 the fuck yeah yeah crow huh i mean it's like the it's the Wizard of Oz it's like dolly walks in

spk_0 and she's expecting to meet the grand wizard who's in charge of everything i shouldn't have said

spk_0 you should not have said grand wizzes sorry the the great powerful wizard and finds just like a con man

spk_0 who's just sort of making it up as he goes along and i feel like that's extremely real i mean i

spk_0 feel like i've had the george martinian disillusioning experience of like thinking that there's like

spk_0 a dot you keep climbing ladder your way into it go through the big door and meet the guy who's actually

spk_0 in charge who actually knows what's going on and you open the door and it's just some fucking loser

spk_0 who's making it up as he goes along yeah yeah and i think that's true in like maybe that's what

spk_0 was like meeting old shift x yeah yeah that guy's that guy's that guy's really like no because he goes

spk_0 along uh so so so yes did we answer the question yes uh i think the answer is no i think the bloodraven

spk_0 will turn in his in his ruti semi grave when he sees young griff the black fire stepping

spk_0 which like like we we won't we won't get too far into it but it is deeply fascinating the blood

spk_0 raven is on the one hand seemingly maybe trying to save the world from the white walkers but also

spk_0 has this deep long history of wanting to suppress the black fires for both political and personal

spk_0 reasons which is just like textbook it's a classic mating of um personal and political ambitions

spk_0 yeah i i think you can make a strong argument for blood raven being one of the most fascinating

spk_0 characters in the series and he's not a pio v character and he only appears like a couple of times

spk_0 in like the margins of other stories it's like man he's good it's so fun man he's good

spk_0 George he's done it again oh the crab oh my thank you Olivia who says a question about

spk_0 varus is where are the tongueless adults oh god he's been doing that for decades and then some

spk_0 have to have grown up no no no no they don't uh children don't have to grow up we've discovered a

spk_0 new way to be horrified by these books yeah you're so right what happens to the mute children when

spk_0 they become mute adults and does varus are in put them on the silence oh no that's the pipeline

spk_0 from little birds that is a bad career trajectory i don't like any of that you know um they're killing

spk_0 the children hi uh i zak hello i zak mp4 what sort of name is that who says hello globula and

spk_0 shrewbiz take my money and despair i hope to relieve you of your despair i zak that is what i hope

spk_0 yeah thanks for giving it to us i really needed more of that globula is back and says you guys should

spk_0 adjust the size of the pictures in access so it's not so stuffy don't know how you could fix it

spk_0 with that chaotic equal quarter of study that look like a much better freaks and

spk_0 worst blunt rotation well i well thanks for the advice i adore the use of the word stuffy that's

spk_0 such a wonderful stuffy alignment chart you just get stuffy in there you guys seeing how stuffy

spk_0 it is there yeah i it wouldn't smell good down there in the chaotic evil stuffy wonderful yeah

spk_0 look we will we will endeavor to improve stuff yes yes we will we'll try to provide some ventilation

spk_0 in that in that cartesian plane patrick mitchal says with us confirming Edmila i've already that's

spk_0 the one i i we actually did that one fantastic thanks patrick i g a says hawk tour indeed no i says

spk_0 i've been catching up on all the old streams just finished the food description ones and just

spk_0 wanted to say i much i appreciate both of you and thanks for the many hours of fun discussions

spk_0 can really make a rough day feel better thank you Noah don't forget the unicorns don't forget the

spk_0 unicorns thank you rosiah who says what do you think of the theory that ayah is john's secret

spk_0 Targaryen twin and bragg warns carolan to gaslight her into believing she's ayah's mother

spk_0 but not johns to say him on his night swatch path and that's why ayah kills the night king in season

spk_0 eight yeah i'm pretty familiar you know i'm well around that one yeah we discussed this back in

spk_0 2019 actually isn't there an old shift x video about that yeah yeah in fact i think there are seven

spk_0 no i'm pretty aware brand wargs carolan to gaslight her into believing she's ayah's mother

spk_0 isn't that one of the two well-prepared captains i think so George was telling about telling us

spk_0 that about yeah carolan's the breeder yeah carol carol yeah move all right okay moving along

spk_0 casual area hotel are enjoying it says high-strong glare loss and arson shwhite beat which ass-wife

spk_0 characters do you think would be oh oh hmm i mean i mean look at the chaotic evil quadrant and you'll

spk_0 get some that's them that's them down there officer thank you 84 bandwagon who says really

spk_0 woken up excited this early thanks for giving me a great start to the day thanks for giving me

spk_0 $5.81 slimy hazards says just want to say love your boys work and chemistry glad to have

spk_0 finally got alive shout out girm two for bringing us all here for real don't forget girm for

spk_0 for for doing this live stream big w big w big w it was really good of him to uh withhold the

spk_0 winds of winter for us so that we could build some career to talk about this for the past eight

spk_0 years yeah i was pretty real of him uh brain boy Ben says hello little gling and young

spk_0 swift who the hell is Molly thanks for the stream there are a few mollies this could be in reference to

spk_0 Molly Weasley is a favor for sure thank you tiny do you think Molly Weasley has ever done Molly

spk_0 thank you tiny circle committee who says dear glider and shwipples i hope you two are having a

spk_0 lovely day i have recently started a new job but a new studio and this was a nice break from

spk_0 stressing out over being bad at art tiny circle committee congratulations on getting a job

spk_0 doing art yeah that's incredible not everyone gets to do that and i think that's rad and worthy of

spk_0 congratulations and i think that being bad at art is the first step to being good at art and i

spk_0 also think that being good at art is not a requirement for doing art i also think that if you have a

spk_0 job at doing art you're probably not that bad i think if you yeah all of all of the above yeah

spk_0 not just all this says hello glinglish reformation and constant in swift the currently

spk_0 writing my paper on Henry VIII and Thomas Cromwell and having you on in the background truly

spk_0 enhances the girm history experience my bestie and i love your stuff cheers hell yeah glad to provide

spk_0 earlier words did you hear the faezzazzy says did you hear the theory that zuko prints zuko is

spk_0 as or a high he has a flaming sword because he's got flames and swords am i allowed to ask if your

spk_0 avatar video is like abandoned entirely or might be finished it it is um on the how many boners does

spk_0 your stove have it's there's a few grittles because it's on i've got many of what could be referred

spk_0 to as backburners hmm that video is it's pretty far back but the burner is on hmm yeah no i know

spk_0 i know the feeling and specifically that video will be about the netflix avatar though

spk_0 are they doing another season they're doing two more seasons of it and they're being filmed back

spk_0 to back oh my goodness i know i think it's supposed to come out next year the second season

spk_0 well you'd better get the video out before the second season i would love to that'd be great

spk_0 anyway thank you sonny so i have to have the real problem with working on game of thorns videos

spk_0 is that i have to watch game of thorns and like i do love ice and fire and thinking about these

spk_0 characters in this world and this plot but game of thorns at a certain point just sort of sucks

spk_0 and netflix avatar i think just because i love the original so much it's so much harder to watch

spk_0 i will say like i relate deeply to the problem of only having many many ongoing projects

spk_0 and something that i've learned is that sometimes when you put it on the back burner and you lose

spk_0 the momentum of that project it's really hard to recapture the momentum of that project

spk_0 of you finish it i have to tell me that and like you know once you've gone off that project and once

spk_0 you've gone off that story you've got to like get back into that story and like rewatch everything

spk_0 get back on the whole learn everything and so the thing i keep and and like this is not me telling

spk_0 you what to do this is me telling myself what to do it's so much better if possible to just

spk_0 finish it just do the thing before moving on and just finish it while it's fresh in your head

spk_0 expect the planet of the apes video soon everyone hey hey oh sorry

spk_0 oh hey that's that's some top secret monkey business monkey beans that's top secret monkey beans

spk_0 don't you be letting my monkey beans out i that look there's some stuff cooking i'll tell you that

spk_0 much he's got some beans cooking this is monkeys on the brain um no i didn't hear the theory that

spk_0 it was a Zora Haan what a funny joke you just made what a weird thing that you said yeah about

spk_0 that thing that's not happening shit i'm gonna have to finish it no you're not don't worry

spk_0 they used to it thank you sonny salaire who says what would each of your ice and fire dragons

spk_0 look like name fire color etc that is such a good question i can't believe i haven't thought about

spk_0 this that is such a question i want my dragon to be green and nudely and like i think i kind of

spk_0 aquatic like sort of a swamp drag like a lovely is it lion drag no it's like a cryptid it's like a

spk_0 cryptid snakey slithery swamp dragon with some big flappy wings and a funny looking head and maybe

spk_0 kind of like frilly maybe like spiky frilly next action like acts a lot of gills yeah and sort of

spk_0 like squiggly windy and like i saw the movie anaconda and i'm getting like you know we're like comes

spk_0 out of the water and goes like that's sort of what i'm imagining for the old triftox dragon i see

spk_0 right here i want

spk_0 kingdra kingdra yeah kingdra from pokemon the seahorse pokemon it's like my favorite pokemon

spk_0 do you think that your dragon could beat my dragon and in a fight well does your dragon resist

spk_0 dragon pulse no it doesn't it's weak to it shit yeah i can't there's your i've i've got all my evs

spk_0 invested in special attack and the toy specks equipped what do you have yeah i'm gonna be real my

spk_0 dragon is not ev trained at all it's wild it's untrained it's it's i-v's are all of them

spk_0 i'm also running resto chesto you don't stand a chance happy says aemon reminds me of

spk_0 necodemis in the secret of neem is that made up i don't think it's well i think in the sense

spk_0 that a lot of things are made up i mean can you comment what the secret of neem is in the comments

spk_0 please because i need a no now it's gonna keep me up all night and then i'm gonna have to make a secret

spk_0 of neem video and that's gonna delay the monkey business and that's gonna delay a cook we don't

spk_0 all right i forget i said anything are you still talking forget i said anything

spk_0 kios is sorry i started that before i'd finished reading it it's a lot of says are you familiar

spk_0 with the crown of candy the dimension twenty season it's my favorite ice and fire slash food themed

spk_0 content it's a shockingly competitive space are you serious i'm avert of this i you're you're a dnd

spk_0 enjoy i am but i don't really get kicks out of watching other people play it yeah i know it's

spk_0 very popular i know people who love that stuff um i have not seen it but i have heard good things

spk_0 thank you peter who says i watched the dragon time season two episode five and when you mentioned

spk_0 the son of balandr taudarian i did as you said i paused the video i created my own nebula

spk_0 account and watched the entire fake john snow that's incredible awesome thanks for the support beta

spk_0 we appreciate it pull seagull says glados and shodan thanks for the hours and hours and

spk_0 hours and hours of entertainment alignment chart for fire and blood next i mean fire and blood has a

spk_0 lot of characters in it who were mentioned in two sentences and then like perform sexual acts

spk_0 and then leave refuses to elaborate and we also have the house of the dragon alignment chart don't

spk_0 we we have that that that exists i think that's the thing that that we have yeah we could continue that

spk_0 i i think that like before house leader i can season three comes out we should do a another

spk_0 installment that's probably a good idea yeah thank you bonus stone studios trademark who says how

spk_0 do the great houses have a signature looks if genetics are passed down equally by both parents

spk_0 how can any looks to the house look i'll i'll tell you the answer magic it's magic or

spk_0 authorial intent it's magic you know it's the same reason why anime people all have like different

spk_0 brightly colored hair well how are you gonna know that yuki moto is the main character unless he

spk_0 has the most ridiculous hair you've ever seen who's yuki moto he's yuki yo oh nice yuki yo yuki yo you

spk_0 say yeah i yeah look look i'll take your word for that one elema says is the gliders guest streamer

spk_0 for a cock a bridge to a silver possibility i will also wish upon a star that you discuss guardians to

spk_0 yeah i told the guardians on a stream one day you could do that i would like to do that i would

spk_0 like to do a cock a bridge i i feel like the reason why we haven't done an a cock a bridge

spk_0 together is that it would be five hours long it sure would and a cock a bridge has been preceding at

spk_0 a pace that some have described as glacial and we don't need it to get any frost here but i've seen

spk_0 species evolve faster than that youtube series you're working on it's true it's true but yeah maybe in the

spk_0 future but loads back and says a wind is like not with a knot in within a knot within a knot but

spk_0 super excited for done the day yes are you are so real still think it's would have been called the

spk_0 head knight just for t h k uh yeah so the the title the title the title a knight of the seven

spk_0 kingdom it's going to be longer than the show colon the hedge knight colon an hbo original colon

spk_0 exclusive to max it's not a good title i hope everyone calls it don't connect but i don't know

spk_0 i don't know if they will i hope they do it's such a mess but i agree i agree that wins is not

spk_0 a for sure it's it's a bit it's a bit of a mess and maybe it will take Alexander the great to come

spk_0 along and slice it in half with a with a big old sword for sure thank you much like you will

spk_0 slice the winds of winter with a knife so that you can eat it thank you la villa hothon who says

spk_0 please play more telltale game of thrones video game i'll pay money for it also would love me some

spk_0 more glenaris piano tunes on stream much love i really do need to have a keyboard set up for

spk_0 these somehow yeah absolutely i do stream on twitch occasionally and i do play piano on those

spk_0 is it is it allowed to be known that you have invested in a new musical instrument i suppose it is

spk_0 i don't really see how it's pertinent but i did recently purchase a keytar a keytar a keytar

spk_0 yeah can you please play your keytar on our next life show or whatever we'll put like lineman

spk_0 be can you take like a sample of lineman beesbury and then like play it like like like voc like

spk_0 vocord or like auto tunes like be like you look like a beesbury solo okay just like do a few licks

spk_0 of the of the buzz the buzzman himself is that is that is that yeah leave a comment if you want

spk_0 that specifically we keep we keep saying that um we didn't feel all that into the game of thrones

spk_0 telltale stream but everyone keeps asking us did you more of it so like i i guess we could revisit

spk_0 it by popular demand yeah i guess thank you anonymous who says love you mad lads favorite crazy

spk_0 prediction that has no textual evidence mine is that you're on will warga crack and and eat one

spk_0 up to narris's dragon well there's plenty of textual evidence to support then uh god i'm sure

spk_0 there's lots of those that i believe just cool sounding ideas that are based on nothing yeah um gosh

spk_0 do you have one um jamey writing a dragon uh really yeah well okay i'll take you like jamey and i like

spk_0 dragon uh do you get it yet i think crust is going to be the third head of the dragon

spk_0 they don't as a tigerian lastered i think that um i don't know i think that lizard lions are aliens

spk_0 that's what i think i think the how the haland read conversation pit t well epilogue epilogue now

spk_0 not prologue i mean there's there's honestly some good evidence for that yeah you know well all right

spk_0 i believe that haland read has a bright orange shag park that is my non evidence based theory

spk_0 problem with your question there anonymous is that there's so much text that you could and it's so

spk_0 ambiguous and vague and wish you watching prophetic that you could use it to justify it just about

spk_0 any belief if you've seen our dictionary streams you've seen that we have the ability to find

spk_0 textual evidence for literally anything so it's pretty hard to um not and if you haven't seen

spk_0 our dictionary streams you might not be aware that there is merchandise merchandise is available

spk_0 based on those streams do you like the pivot was that a good one please tell me more well i don't

spk_0 have a visual a handy visual here to show you but there are links in the description for the

spk_0 purchase of shirts and prints prints art prints you you can you can be sure of the ms paintable it

spk_0 was actually photoshop drawings of made up ison fire theories that we had you can rip omnivolder

spk_0 out in the world you can rip or not cercy targaryen yet i really need to turn that into a shirt or a

spk_0 hat i think cercy targaryen would slap as a hat you can rip gild rosby and cold turns sharing a womb

spk_0 and get some interesting looks from passes by try explaining that one yeah that's a great goal in

spk_0 life to create the most inexplicable clothing it's been tried but few have succeeded i think we're

spk_0 up there thank you cigardres and cigardrainsette cigardrain cigardrainsette who says hey my two favorite

spk_0 shit posters i just landed a place at a people's college teaching game design so i'm feeling generous

spk_0 fantastic also super excited about silk song being shown off in germany next week it's being shown off

spk_0 here sometime very soon i think i think silk song was a myth i thought it was the wins a video game

spk_0 it is but it turns out the wins is actually going to come out oh my god yeah well here's another

spk_0 person in our chat who is being paid to do art so that's well done pretty awesome congratulations

spk_0 i love it thank you zippy hey day who says your videos make me very happy thank you for making

spk_0 love that's lovely to hear thank you awesome thank you anonymous who says hey genghis glenghis can

spk_0 and shwanta clause wow what's your opinion on hbo confirming a night of the seven kingdoms will be

spk_0 35 minute episodes did they confirm or did someone make up some click page i might be

spk_0 i i did i was doing a little reading recently and i did not see any official announcement of that

spk_0 so uh my response is check your sources yeah but like four twitter accounts said it so it must be true

spk_0 it had like a photoshopped image that looked official so it must be real yeah not just anyone can

spk_0 make those talking thrones put the hbo logo on the thumbnail so it must be a real official announcement

spk_0 yeah uh the valeria movies coming up next week yeah guys like like can we can we can we like

spk_0 can we like not do this information on the internet please no it's fine can we please not

spk_0 please not uh sorry anonymous i don't want to be a downer uh do you think that a night of the seven

spk_0 kingdoms should have 35 minute episodes glider i think it should have however long episodes

spk_0 correspond to the scripts that have been written for it i would like the writers and the creatives

spk_0 to decide how big how many episodes on how what sort of learning fantasy land are you living it

spk_0 let me just ride my golden pony to fairy land and ask for a uh story that's driven by creatives

spk_0 rather than executive slice of this special cake that only only uh artist advocates can eat

spk_0 well yeah i don't have got a magic fairy dog who never farts and likes to sing in Portuguese

spk_0 yeah do all right um thanks pop a new dog who says hi glum person shleen what would you guys think

spk_0 about a book accurate a song of ison fire animated series yes please i don't have a first born

spk_0 son but if i did you just go ahead take it you can have my first second and third first born

spk_0 son fire animated series yeah no i've been i've wanted that all along not my fourth born son though

spk_0 Derek is a real one no i i need um Clyde thank you lilaio who says at v i know i see i'm it's real

spk_0 intriguing cryptic messages sometimes hey they they needed to get that one out there

spk_0 and mikroxon page says have you already the locked tomb as my level of ambiguity law and

spk_0 extremely weird futile core relationships and way funnier sex jokes so thank you gumbo and stew

spk_0 so there's a book called uh gideon the ninth by tazman mure and it's a like it's about like a

spk_0 necromancer in like a vaguely science fictional vaguely fantasy world and it's really cool i've only read

spk_0 like half of the first book gideon the ninth but yeah it is extremely rad and it is extremely funny

spk_0 i like the tone of it and yeah it's like horny in a weird way and it's like very it's got quite a

spk_0 unique like tone and like the world building is very cool so yeah i i should finish that book i

spk_0 really liked reading it and um and tazman mure is a is a kiwi as well which is kind of rad as well

spk_0 so um yeah yeah yes man what's the question yeah have you read the locked tomb uh half almost

spk_0 kind of yeah thanks oh man it sounds good davel ogan says long time listener first time

spk_0 liver liver liver tears mates do you think the last dany chapter in adwood is a death slash

spk_0 rebirth chapter and we'll see her again but changed yeah i think so no one like loses that much of

spk_0 their body weight through diary or and doesn't come out of the few changed opinions i think that

spk_0 the we've all been to barley uh the change opinions might be uh less an effect of the diary

spk_0 the dysentery and more an effect of the visions the the thoughts that occurred no i really have more

spk_0 of a diary a literalist approach yeah the dysentery is sort of like a revolutionary moment

spk_0 it's really a fluid's based perspective it's all yeah it all comes down to fluids you know the

spk_0 brain and the stomach are linked yeah i mean i i look it's it's it's it's a dance wins problem

spk_0 like this wasn't meant to be a 15 year wait for the next book we weren't meant to wait 15 years we

spk_0 were meant to see the consequences of that chapter and so it's tricky to speculate and also like

spk_0 you know George do you think like that wasn't supposed to be the end of dany's story in that book

spk_0 well i'm saying that George put a lot of difficult thought into at what point dance ends and at what

spk_0 point wins starts and George moved a bunch of chapters from the end of dance to the start of wins

spk_0 and he has said that like oops i put way too many cliffhangers at the end of dance oopsy doopsy

spk_0 so like i guess i'm just saying that like structurally it's just kind of a weird situation where

spk_0 we've been waiting this long to find out what dany's diary a journey is leading to exactly i mean

spk_0 but like to actually i mean yes i do think that it is pushing her in the direction of

spk_0 fire and violence and leaving marine and and conquering lesteros yes um and i mean death

spk_0 rebirth i mean she kind of already did that at the end of book one i i think that it'll lead to go

spk_0 into vase dot rack which could continue that death rebirth thing in like the mother of mountains

spk_0 and the lake of lakes and the house of houses and whatever else when she goes there in game of

spk_0 throne it's not the game of thorns is an indicator of anything other than a slow disintegration of

spk_0 the moral worth of society um denaris um you know has her whole fiery rebirth moment there in the big

spk_0 dumb carl meeting that she sets on fire and that makes her their god for some reason yeah

spk_0 yeah it's so cool when someone sets my government on fire i'll do it it's the best i can't believe

spk_0 that that's a plot point that occurs two or three times in that single season of game of thorns

spk_0 i mean the first time denaris burned a bunch of people alive i was like well but then by the

spk_0 fourth time she burned a bunch of people alive i was like okay yeah i'm sniffing what you should

spk_0 you thank you kenard who says if i can't make it to a stream live and you sadly miss out on that

spk_0 juicy stream labs money the link for that is in the description on which platform should i watch

spk_0 so you guys benefit the most it's a very thoughtful question yeah thank you kenard i think that

spk_0 a nebula is the best place to watch swift and gliders in terms of us getting paid i yeah the

spk_0 the numbers i i'm not entirely clear on it's definitely not Spotify though yeah Spotify has

spk_0 never paid anyone anything as far as i'm aware i'm pretty sure that they hand tailors swift like a

spk_0 handful of buttons every year they they select a small hand picked selection of the worst people

spk_0 in the world and they give them some money but they don't give money to the musicians like

spk_0 certainly not musicians no no don't be silly yeah no one makes any money from the podcast

spk_0 the podcast is just there so you all can listen without ads on podcast apps offline however you like

spk_0 if you want us to get paid then patreon is probably the best way to directly support us

spk_0 and if you want to support us by watching nebula is great nebula also gives you access to a bunch

spk_0 of other creators exclusive and early access content and the fake johns no the fake johns no youtube

spk_0 premium is also actually a good way to support if if you try you cannot try youtube premium if you

spk_0 get youtube premium you're stuck with it forever because you can't you can't go from adless youtube

spk_0 that you can watch while your phone is locked back to regular youtube that that's that's most

spk_0 of the reason why i put all this stuff on the podcast feed is that i it just aggravates me to think

spk_0 that people are leaving their phone screen on draining their battery draining their battery and

spk_0 wasting photons just just because youtube won't let them turn their screen off while they're listening

spk_0 to these dreams like that's just ridiculous so you can listen to this podcast anywhere and it

spk_0 doesn't have to be Spotify it could be free podcast apps just just saying link in the description

spk_0 just saying podcast are available in many places not to Spotify thank you storms and reactor operator

spk_0 who says got to work will check the full stream later does pasta exist in west orose

spk_0 what a question you just made me gasp i'm like 90% sure that pastor has never been mentioned

spk_0 sure pastor does not exist in west orose i mean is pastor an Italian word like i think

spk_0 george doesn't use Italian words in nice and fun just crazy because he's from jersey

spk_0 yeah i don't i don't think it does i don't think it's been mentioned how i mean how hard is it to

spk_0 invent pastor not to like shade the people invented pastor but like anyone could have done that like

spk_0 with respect to Italy like how does one invent pasta i feel like you should be able to figure it out

spk_0 if you've got the ingredients where am i crazy i don't think it's that well pastor like foods exist

spk_0 in so many places so i think that it's simple enough to arise

spk_0 thank you zeed who says honestly just wanted to say thanks for the evergreen content

spk_0 i i didn't like it it shocks me that ison fire is considered evergreen content given that the tv show

spk_0 ended six years ago but i mean i'm i'm happy to keep talking plain if you're here for it we'll

spk_0 will be if you're having fun i'm having fun yeah thank you propaganda elf

spk_0 well that is a good name you says have you read the three-body problem series and would you ever

spk_0 do videos on it i'm asking but also demanding i read the first three-body wrong book and i enjoyed

spk_0 it and i've heard that the sequels are even more weird and fun so i would like to read the rest

spk_0 of the series at some point and i am intrigued by the existence of the uh american netflix tv

spk_0 adaptation and also the chinese tv adaptation i think it'd be really interesting to compare the

spk_0 different adaptations to the books uh i didn't like the netflix tv adaptation very much

spk_0 but i yeah i'm open to the idea of um i'm open to the idea of three-body problem content at some point

spk_0 in the future i'm not giora martin says hi shifty and glimbo howland raid living in a floating castle

spk_0 is a house moving castle reference it is it is thank you maran thank you who says hi very off-topic

spk_0 question lol but you mentioned uh bolster's gate three gliger which class do you prefer to play

spk_0 and which characters do you like the most okay caveat i've only done one and a half playthroughs

spk_0 my first one was that was as a um besurker and my second one is is a dirge storm solstera multi-class

spk_0 tempest domain cleric what do any of you play that most slowly play no no you'll figure it out

spk_0 do you get to romance sexy elves in that yeah and a bear yeah do you want to reveal which character

spk_0 you you romance first time i the first time i romance the alien frog and the second time i'm

spk_0 romancing the uh the the hot demon the hot tiefling cool didn't some people voice act in that

spk_0 a lot of people it turns out am i did i be thorn i'd be thorn voices a minor character in bolder's

spk_0 gate three yes there's a bunch of other people i'm trying to remember yes yeah pro the ass is

spk_0 probably yes yes yes yes okay it's a huge game and the lary and sourced a lot of internet famous

spk_0 people hmm uh well we did an invert jk simmons famous as tenzin from the legend of kora i'm sure

spk_0 he's been in other projects as well um voices one of the main villains in bolders gate three and i love

spk_0 him in it cool right roud neat that was a joke about jk simmons being known for the legend of

spk_0 kora by the way in case in case anyone thinks that that's what i know jk simmons from what is he from

spk_0 he's very prolific jk you probably oh you really need to wrap your shabby up

spk_0 zane says hey in the other one wow okay fine i'll let you do it just saying let a thousand flowers bloom

spk_0 but i oh i did the wrong way can you do the voice but you know just uh let a thousand possums

spk_0 but the striers unconcent right spinning in more time on it because meanwhile in final of the

spk_0 quenus land they have persons taunted pieces by crocodile every three months that's pretty good

spk_0 it's not that great that's pretty good what a legend thank you lulu who says hey love you guys was

spk_0 just wondering when did you both start reading ison fire and was it before or after the game

spk_0 of thrones show cheering yeah i started reading during i think around like season two season three it

spk_0 was in twenty no i started reading in like 2013 which yeah no that was like season three yeah right

spk_0 so i was around like season two season three i didn't engage in game of thrones a song of ison

spk_0 fire at all until after season five had finished coming out at which point i you know absorbed

spk_0 everything i possibly could before season six started so a 2015

spk_0 rad thank you mihi who says hey ult big chest and cleetus do you play mmo rpgs

spk_0 i don't i did play the start of dune awakening because that's a new dune game there is an mmo

spk_0 and uh i had fun playing the first bit of it and then i was like i feel like it once

spk_0 me to spend another hundred hours playing it and i don't want to spend another hundred hours playing

spk_0 it but it does seem cool that's that's that's that's that's my opinion rather spend those

spk_0 hundred hours playing i sack right and getting sacred heart and sacred all been the same angel room

spk_0 are you kidding me yeah that screenshot you sent me fucking blew my mind yeah man yeah i i used to

spk_0 well you're in the long long long long ago i used to play world of warcraft but i wasn't that

spk_0 interested in actually the mmo elements of it i liked exploring calumdor and azaroth

spk_0 that's what i was there for i'm actually really interested in the story of warcraft as well

spk_0 and i think i have a video somewhere in my body about warcraft at some point in my life

spk_0 do you know about the lich king yeah there must always be a lich king yeah is that is that a

spk_0 we'll have all right we'll have a sidebar about the lich king there are um there's actually some very

spk_0 obvious clear intentional references to ice and fire in warcraft cool yeah that they put in like

spk_0 during the pre tv show euro yes um warcraft three the frozen throne came out in what 2005 maybe

spk_0 even before that and the final mission in it is called a symphony of frost and flame hell yeah yeah

spk_0 so uh you're saying that the lich king is a night's king reference uh in fact it's sort of

spk_0 interesting because the night the night king in game of thorns really does seem to have some

spk_0 aesthetic relationship to the lich king in warcraft which may have been lightly inspired by ideas

spk_0 in ice and fire but probably not sort of it's fun how like timey whaimi all the sort of influences

spk_0 can be like if ice and fire influenced warcraft which influenced game of thorns you know

spk_0 it's like our like the june books influenced the star wars movies which influenced the june movies

spk_0 you know things all the things get all circular turns out the culture is just the one big piece of art

spk_0 we're all eating out of the same trough like a big human centipede of art wow that's really beautiful

spk_0 thanks i love art thank you dead plants club who says winter lasts a long time does scurvy exist in

spk_0 west aros do lemon trees grow in snow oh my god you don't need to bring up fucking lemon trees

spk_0 i mean winter fell uh and castle black no just winter fell makes a point of having a greenhouse

spk_0 to grow plants during winter but like most people wouldn't have access to that so uh i guess

spk_0 west arosie just have like a mutant resistance to scurvy or they you know build up all their

spk_0 vitamin C during summer i don't know i mean i look i i don't know much but it does seem like the

spk_0 whole idea of unpredictable multi-year winters probably make no sense it seems to make civilization

spk_0 completely untenable yeah uh and i and i and i guess some people argue that that's why

spk_0 west arosie is technologically stunted compared to our world after thousands of years and in fact

spk_0 seems to have regressed over thousands of years technologically and maybe the winter's a part of why

spk_0 but um but lemons lemons lemons they're not growing in snow yeah and we tell you that they're not

spk_0 growing in dravos no do you mean no thanks rufus who says hey shvert finch and glythronchen sorry i'm

spk_0 late but i was hoping for the continuation of this love your content glad we could help thanks

spk_0 kirk novak who says sometimes it's better when things don't conclude a lot of things i loved

spk_0 concluded and nobody talks about them anymore so that's an interesting point yeah i think you

spk_0 disco grass who says hey guys not actually expecting it to happen but after glythus's video the other

spk_0 day i was curious made a video that's crazy which house of the dragon cast crew members would you

spk_0 most like to get on the podcast and which theories would you pitch them um yeah who would be fun

spk_0 to chat to do i mean do we know if many of the house of the dragon cast fans of the books i don't

spk_0 think there there are a few who seem to like know the books intimately enough like fiasa ban and

spk_0 um after you need them and question mark mmm yeah most most of them seem to be not super aware of

spk_0 the books not that that's a pretty rare is it yeah there's absolutely a choice of theirs to make

spk_0 as actors in fact quite a lot of actors think that it's not their place to become more well

spk_0 informed on the source material their job is to perform what the writers have given them yeah

spk_0 i think that tom glingarni sounds like a fun i feel like i could live with tom glingarni yeah

spk_0 um it would be fun to talk to a blackwood may haps it may haps be fun to talk to a blackwood

spk_0 but we shall see um i think gal rankin would be cool to hang out with oh can we please talk to

spk_0 gal rankin hell yeah uh i want to know what that like blood stuff that she had to like

spk_0 hey so i want to know what that was and what it was it like strawberry sauce or something i would

spk_0 love to spend an evening with the dog the the um the blood cheeses dog cheeses dog yeah yeah we'll do

spk_0 an interview yeah a woof woof interview cool oh my god we actually did it we did it uh i think it's

spk_0 time to wrap up this live stream oh i so need to piss but thank you everybody so much for

spk_0 hanging out this was fun this was fun we should do this more often we should do this more often

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spk_0 you can do that go ahead and do that we won't stop you yeah but uh most of all just you know be

spk_0 be rad to each other you got anything to add um

spk_0 these streams really um you know blood ones mind up

spk_0 seven hounds yeah yeah yeah yeah why would i say anything when

spk_0 when we've got those sound bites to really communicate everything for us oh

spk_0 and remember everyone most of all avoid incest

spk_0 hell yeah okay don't keep all right thanks folks bye bye bye

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