Where All Blacks must catch up to Springboks

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spk_0 No, my Hiroo Mikey, Al Tertor, Rugby Pod.

spk_0 Welcome to the Al Tertor, Rugby Pod, brought to you by Ashley and Martin Medical Care Centre.

spk_0 It's been a big weekend for Southern Hemisphere, Rugby.

spk_0 Even if the trophy was lifted in London,

spk_0 the spring box have taken out the best rugby championship ever, arguably,

spk_0 by points differential.

spk_0 We break down what it all means two years out from the World Cup.

spk_0 Why the box ahead of the pack and where must everyone else catch up?

spk_0 We saw Quintu Pire and Listerfying our Nuku make big plays.

spk_0 What does that mean for the ever-changing all-black's backline?

spk_0 There's also chat about the rugby championship moving to the Southern Hemisphere summer,

spk_0 so it can go at the same time as the Six Nations and fix the global calendar concept.

spk_0 We break that down on what it could mean, and we head into the crunch time in the NPC with quarter

spk_0 finals. You know I'm wanting to talk counties taking down Tasman and look at sharp heading

spk_0 into the semi against Canterbury who are very much the title favourites after securing top spot.

spk_0 Plus, we have another rugby ready giveaway for a month of free training with all black

spk_0 screw Nick Gill's training team. And as ever, we have heaps of your emails and comments,

spk_0 as well as all the in-depth analysis you've come to expect from James Parsons and Bryn Hall,

spk_0 who both picked Tasman.

spk_0 Both picked Tasman and I'm so glad that went wrong for you.

spk_0 To my defence, I commented with Nigel Yold and I said I think counties will win tomorrow.

spk_0 So changed over the weekend.

spk_0 Yes, just had a feeling. I had a feeling there, just that running hot and yeah,

spk_0 B-Wayn Canterbury.

spk_0 Bryn Hall was beaming in life to us of course. The test match on the weekend, the all-black's versus

spk_0 the Wallabies. What did you take out of that game and where it leaves the all-black's

spk_0 after the rugby championship?

spk_0 Yeah, look, I think consistency. I think it's great to go two from two.

spk_0 I think it's probably one thing that we haven't been able to get with the all-black's.

spk_0 And look at there's obviously a few things that they want to work on. You look around the

spk_0 discipline and probably more so the breakdown area. I think of the 14 penalties that they did

spk_0 have. Ten was in that ruck. So technically the ref was looking, I guess more so a lot of the

spk_0 breakdown and the adjustments with that probably would be a little bit better. But look, I think if

spk_0 when I turned on the tally and saw that it was raining and at Perth, I was like, well,

spk_0 I bonus points is going to be pretty hard. But we're able to get that in 80th minute with George

spk_0 Bauer score in his first try and not only in San Asher Fuddy, but 40 in general and professional

spk_0 level. So look, I think that it is a past mark. But the discipline area is probably, sorry, not the

spk_0 discipline. The penalties is probably a big point. I'll stop now but I had my momentum. But look,

spk_0 I think also Quintapir had an outstanding test match. I know we've touched on Billy Proctor throughout

spk_0 the whole year, but look, I think Quintapir not only with his injection of the bench, but the

spk_0 performance that he put on the weekend and more. So I think he was best on park. But the true

spk_0 tries that he did score, you look at the transition one very early on getting over that advantage line,

spk_0 which we're wanting from our midfielders and Quinted that really nicely. And then obviously the

spk_0 Quintap and Benavra shows raw power as well. So yeah, a couple of good performances from Quint,

spk_0 and I think more so just around getting that bonus point and being able to, I guess get a second one

spk_0 and being able to have a two-null series one against the Australians was good for me.

spk_0 I think the thing that it's exciting to be the most from an attacking standpoint is,

spk_0 you know, if we look back to the, I don't know if you can remember the Tri-Cody Taylor scored

spk_0 against British and Irish Lions at the end of Park off an Aaron Smith quick tap,

spk_0 you can see that the players are now bouncing and getting ready and almost looking for like

spk_0 Will Jordan to the quick tap and obviously Quintapir scored. And then even like I think

spk_0 Leru Cutters bought a nice sort of adjustment in and around the 22 with his pick and go game.

spk_0 And why I say that is because the South Africans are so good at building phases in the 22

spk_0 and eventually scoring through mass, but it's the tempo they don't wait for the halfback or wait

spk_0 to set up anything. It's just like, could be quite a smurf, it could be sear, calisear, could be anyone,

spk_0 picking and going, picking and going. And that unrelenting nature turns focus, turns attention into

spk_0 that breakdown and then allows them to expose on the outside. And I suppose that's the most pleasing

spk_0 thing is how effective and how efficiently all bikes have been in the 22 and taking the opportunities

spk_0 when presented to them. Let's touch on Quinten. When you look at the way that he plays the

spk_0 direct nature of his play, the angles that he runs, is his play actually better suited to the game

spk_0 plan that we're seeing at the moment where I suppose it hasn't really allowed Billy Proctor or

spk_0 Rico Yawane space to do what they like to do on the outside, but Quinten is a more direct

spk_0 player by nature. Yeah and I mean he was he was he's so efficient at getting through the collision,

spk_0 like rugby is about you win the collision, you're going to win the game of footy and that probably

spk_0 is what sets South Africa apart at the moment because across the field they can always dominate that

spk_0 collision and it's just something you saw it off the bench and now Quinten is starting, it's

spk_0 you know he's going to be hard to leave out and I think you're right like in terms of how they

spk_0 want to play and how they want to manipulate defense, he's going to have to be watched which means

spk_0 team will still adjust. He's not going to always have it his way because they'll have to adjust

spk_0 to him but what he's doing is forcing them to have to make their adjustments which may open up

spk_0 opportunities elsewhere to be exposed. We touched on this earlier in the Abrainer but you know we're

spk_0 not necessarily seeing the old black singers distribute in a classical centre fashion you know this

spk_0 isn't Bruce Robertson this isn't Conrad Smith they're working a different system so what are the

spk_0 expectations of a player like Quinten you think in the current system and why does he fit so well?

spk_0 Well I think it's the ability to get over the advantage line like if you look at

spk_0 a lot of teams it's more so the sad Africans when you do get over that advantage line it's

spk_0 able to open up you know for a guy like Cam Rory Garde or opens up our edge attack or Benalvin to play

spk_0 off our pods because that good Derek Ball has been able to get us on the front foot so I don't

spk_0 think a lot needs to change with Quinten and what I really did enjoy sometimes is they actually

spk_0 switched Jordy and Quinten so Benalvin to get Quinten at number 12 role putting Jordy out to 13

spk_0 if you know Jordy doesn't have to be in that rock then that third phase he might end up

spk_0 being a distributed Benalvin to get the kind of examples that you'll want to Ross with that

spk_0 distribution skill so they can play it in and around Benalvin to use Quint's physical I guess

spk_0 dominance get over the advantage line and then Benalvin to maybe open up Jordy Barrowley who has

spk_0 that skill set up Benalvin to have a run pass kick so I just I really enjoyed Quinten being able

spk_0 to see how direct he was yes he did score tries but has ability to get over the advantage line

spk_0 I think it's something that we probably haven't seen from our centers in the early part of this season

spk_0 well I think it's because the style of player though is well like Defender's fear Rico's speed

spk_0 so they tighten up and you know potentially gets there but I think that's what I'm saying like

spk_0 Defences will change because he's a running threat first Quinten like he he he will take it and

spk_0 then that's then hopefully going to open up the ability to get to the edge but he's Defenders

spk_0 almost drifted off him and he's gone and taking that space you know it's not all brutality

spk_0 even that try he went between bodies between Defenders and scored the beauty will be hopefully

spk_0 that we see on the Scranstein tour that you know maybe they tighten it around him and giving

spk_0 that ability to distribute I suppose his ability to play 12 also is helping get Jordy into the

spk_0 backfield for the Contestual Kick game like you saw that Contestual Kick between Jordy and

spk_0 Swirlie like man that was outstanding and probably someone of his size is only going to be

spk_0 able to do that you know like match Swirlie in the air so I'm not saying we've solved the issues

spk_0 but that's another area that really excited me because it takes away I suppose team's confidence

spk_0 of that threat with being able to get Jordy in that backfield I do like the way that the coaches

spk_0 are making those adjustments to fit particular skillsets like he's a problem who's our guy who can

spk_0 fix that problem does it really matter what jerseys on let's put him in the place to fix the problem

spk_0 but the adjustments is probably you know the thing we talked around when we talked around with the

spk_0 Yorblex not being able to win the aerial game they adjusted and Jordy about to be able to be at the

spk_0 back with the wall Jordan two guys at a pretty used to that fallback role and being able to win the

spk_0 ball greater adjustment with the Yorblex trying to win the aerial battle and I guess you look at

spk_0 Quinn has a build I think his ability to be able to get over the game line has been a big moving

spk_0 point for us to be able to try and I guess if we do want to move forward with this northern hemisphere

spk_0 which we're going to see with the green slam teams that we are going to play the physically and

spk_0 around get over their vantage line and Quinn being able to do that opens up the likes of a Jordy

spk_0 Barrett and don't forget as well that we probably do have you know probably three pivots I think

spk_0 you know you've got your Damien McKenzie that we probably have shown in this in this series that

spk_0 if they are from the sideline they're going to go off 10 being able to get into the middle of the

spk_0 third and attacking the middle you've also got a Jordy Barrett who can go over behind and a wall

spk_0 Jordan floats in and around that distribution skill as well so there's enough distribution

spk_0 between the three of them in that back line that I think with Quinn I think for him has a

spk_0 bit of a game line and it's subtle skills that he has shown he's improved it throughout super

spk_0 rugby the little death kicks in behind his distribution will get better but I've just really liked

spk_0 what I saw not only on the bench when he's on the wing but his skill set I've been able to get

spk_0 over their vantage line I think it's going to be really beneficial for us when we do it go

spk_0 when we do go up north in a few weeks time as you can imagine we've had a few emails come

spk_0 through talking about this all black midfield one from Samson O'Kero who suggested that to

spk_0 Barrett 12 and and Jordy at 13 could be a really strong combination it seems that you could

spk_0 sort of doing that sort of doing that already but it made me wonder why haven't we seen Jordy at

spk_0 13 before he's played everywhere else in the black back line past half back I suppose is the only

spk_0 one he hasn't yeah like I'm not saying he can't do it but it is normally quite probably the most

spk_0 challenging position on the field and normally you'll see sides want that consistency but it's

spk_0 becoming less and less so you know like if you look at Moody and at Centre they sort of chop and

spk_0 change with Jesse Creel so it's definitely a position that I think is is probably the trend of

spk_0 rugby has been a lot more rotational than then probably what I mean the centres you just

spk_0 named before are Conrad Smith they're sort of fix and they do their role and really sort of show

spk_0 the strengths of the people inside and outside and then defensively they're a key cog at shutting

spk_0 things down but there's no reason why he hasn't played there I suppose his skill set has probably

spk_0 just meant he dictated that 12 positions sort of coming up through the age grade and then

spk_0 fullback is just he's got that Israel flail like body and height that sort of suits that backfield

spk_0 We also had some questions that came through about less defying our Nuku and I suppose the way

spk_0 that he went on the wing went to and tabby suggested that maybe you could have two pyrr 12 and

spk_0 firing a Nuku at the wing and shift barit to fullback because we're seeing him at the back so much

spk_0 but what do you think about that Bruna? For me personally that's probably not the look that I would

spk_0 go for I think you just need to have the number 12 position I think you need to have a triple three

spk_0 game I think you've got to have the ability to be able to have the run past kick and your 12 is

spk_0 more so you second pivot and more so another first five that's on the field so not to say that

spk_0 that combination couldn't do it but my preference is that you need someone like a Jordi who is at 12

spk_0 where there is at 13 that has that skill set so but if you do want the ability to be able to get

spk_0 over the advantage line and then you know it probably falls more on your kind of gaming

spk_0 McKenzie and World Jordan those guys been the I guess the game managers along with Cam Warigard

spk_0 those boys will get you over the advantage line and the fence for they will bring a lot of pressure

spk_0 as well so depending if they want to change their styles get over the advantage line then I

spk_0 could understand that combination but for me your 12's got to have your your all-round ability in

spk_0 terms of what was required day management wise. Funga Nuku though they probably need to give

spk_0 them some time in the midfield maybe on the Grand Slam tour because the size of the body and the

spk_0 footwork combined is it's quite an asset. Yeah but you know like sort of what Bryn's saying

spk_0 that that ability in that midfield to do all things like you don't want to sort of just put them

spk_0 in there because you can manufacture them in there you know like it is quite versatile I think you

spk_0 manufacture them in the systems we're in 11 and look I thought he did a great job on the left

spk_0 wing and we've probably said the last few years that there's not a real like for like style player

spk_0 like a Caleb Clark when he's not not available so now having him available and you know winning

spk_0 those collisions and I suppose again a player that draws so much attention of defenders you know

spk_0 it just create a little bit more space for others. He's always busy he always likes to you know get

spk_0 in and around the ball go so work on both sides of the wing he'll go for one side of the field to

spk_0 the other and his confrontation which I think is the biggest asset that he does have his ability to

spk_0 be able to get over the advantage line whether it's a pick and go or one-on-one you know those little

spk_0 things that can help out an attack is really good when you have a person that has the ability to be

spk_0 able to do that so they probably didn't get to see a lot of them eerily which I think in a

spk_0 Caleb Clark is really good at but you know spending time with them area with the hero game is

spk_0 as an advantage and something that he does really well as well so depending on if they want to

spk_0 continue with Caleb Clark when he does get back or less to get another opportunity I feel like

spk_0 those two wind up been on the India tour going between the two for that area again which is going

spk_0 to happen in the Northern Hemisphere but yeah a great start considering he's been away for 18

spk_0 months looked busy and you'd have to think the more time that he does get the better he is going

spk_0 to be with probably what we saw the Crusaders and his consistency and having second and third and

spk_0 fourth efforts. When he played at 13 for the Crusaders Brun he was actually extremely good in terms

spk_0 of getting that ball to the edge you know like you'd probably sort of you look at the way he's

spk_0 plays as winged but he does have I suppose the skill cell in the death touch to operate in that

spk_0 13 role. And he did it at too long as well like you had you know he's been playing in a pretty

spk_0 highly in terms of what's required as a 13 the more experience he's been able to probably see

spk_0 how it's played at a different at a different pace at a different play and I think you know

spk_0 just coming back you you are right just distribution spills he can do that he's also got a little

spk_0 death little kicks that he's able to do as well so yeah if given the opportunity I think he could

spk_0 definitely do a job for it but I think for me person I'd like to see him on the wing the skill set

spk_0 I think is set up for the wing and I think with the way that Quinn's there Billy Prog there's been time

spk_0 they're we haven't even talked about Rookie you're one if you might get an opportunity so you know

spk_0 that's three that's three that's three winged three centers are that could probably be

spk_0 wrong and in Northern Hemisphere to keep in Lester on the wing maybe covering as a 22 at a pinch

spk_0 on the bench of that's the case from the Wellington game to the defense show and like there's

spk_0 been a massive amount of work of it is going after that game because defensively they were rock

spk_0 solid like it basically had no ball or territory in that first 20 30 minutes you know I think it was

spk_0 369 meters to 79 in terms of attacking run meters and and not once did it look panicked you know

spk_0 even when I suppose Australia got to the edge and made some good meters you could see that they

spk_0 were all working together using the sideline as their friend tackled it over 90% and yes

spk_0 put the penalties away like a lot of those penalties for not rolling away out of the breakdown

spk_0 and guys going for the jackal penalty he was just very fixated on that we probably didn't adjust

spk_0 as quickly as we would have liked but man in terms of this system standing up even when broken

spk_0 down I was really impressed what about on the other side of the ball because it seems when New

spk_0 Zealand's got the ball in hand they really struggle to stop the opposition from getting on top of

spk_0 that ball and forcing penalties or getting the turnover yeah look I think a lot of those

spk_0 turnovers come when you're either you've broken the defense like you see it so often is you

spk_0 get broken and then you lose that connection with your cleaners and and guys like McRide and that

spk_0 just live for those moments like sometimes they almost orchestrate it to allow that tip line to be

spk_0 seen and that tip to go through and then and then it just comes back to a lot of the other times

spk_0 is when we lose the collision so the carry is so critical to that breakdown area and not being

spk_0 able to jackal so you know you always want to sort of think of that mindset of landing on top of

spk_0 the defender so that basically what happened to us is you can't roll out of there quickly which

spk_0 if someone goes for it you're going to get the penalty yourself so I think the the carry is probably

spk_0 the biggest reason why when that doesn't go right that's what will lead to that turnover but I don't

spk_0 think it's an all black so only like it's an area that is just challenged like you just have to watch

spk_0 South Africa vs Argentina to see that there were turnovers both ways and you know the counter-rucks

spk_0 and I suppose targeting those wide breakdowns you know and we were just as effective I suppose

spk_0 against Australia as well so I think it's just it's something that everyone knows that if you can

spk_0 get some dominance in around the breakdown and win the ref over you're a long way to go into

spk_0 one test match fully you know you look at the South Africa and probably you look at the

spk_0 probably the rugby championship at the best in terms of being able to get over the advantage on

spk_0 and playing on top of teams so you look on the weekend like 79% gain line was for the for the

spk_0 Australians and 55% was for the Kiwis but then I think also the biggest factor around that was

spk_0 that 70% of Australia's ball was three seconds whereas we're at 64 which you know isn't too much

spk_0 but you know you're talking around consistency and being able to play on top of teams and the

spk_0 decision-making have not been set which in terms if you do have a ref that's very technical you look

spk_0 on the weekend 10 penalty of our penalties were at the rough time so our adjustments to be able to

spk_0 get the physicality and maybe also the breakdown decision-making was in there for us they were able

spk_0 to accumulate some points early on with 10 in the month so yeah I think it's first yeah it just kind

spk_0 of comes down to the collision and being really squeaky cleaning being really smart in and around

spk_0 the breakdown because I think also the Australians that seven break breakdown turnovers as well on

spk_0 on their side defensively so they break down area for us to get our mojo been able to score points

spk_0 have been able to I guess have a sustained amount of momentum we're probably just gonna get it we've

spk_0 got it in spurt which probably been a common trend I think for this all black team in that our

spk_0 rugby championship that we've played well in spurt were been efficient in the 22 when we've been

spk_0 there but we probably just haven't done it for a long amount of times during the rugby championship

spk_0 Chip talking about breakdown penalties Tom Hooper being carded what did you make of that call and

spk_0 why was it a yellow card when others kind of felt that maybe it was a bit soft as far as yellow is

spk_0 concerned I know marshy sort of is like there's just no way that's a yellow card but if you

spk_0 actually look at the crock roll because I think it's the way it's turned crock roll everyone has this

spk_0 vision that it's about sort of wrenching a body out of the ruck but it's it's all about

spk_0 protecting the lower limbs and so it's if it's if you pull or transition any weight towards those

spk_0 lower limbs it doesn't matter how you do it doesn't have to be a crock roll it's just turned a crock

spk_0 roll that's what they're looking for and that clearly it was a lower limb full body weight and you

spk_0 can see in jordies reaction um because players were snapping their legs that's how it came about

spk_0 and and it was out of the English premiership you know the examples pretty gruesome literally

spk_0 snap someone's leg and it's just you know that transition of weight into a you know vulnerable

spk_0 position like your knees going to cave in when you're trying to get that um turnover and um

spk_0 I don't think he did it maliciously um but it was clearly you I would save a yellow card

spk_0 I think northern hemisphere reefs because it was such a thing you will go straight to the bin whereas

spk_0 probably some when we're down he was super rugby and not get let go but aren't like overanalyze and

spk_0 and move forward if you know what I mean so I just think when we get into that test match even

spk_0 there I think at one stage the ref said none of this is world rugby not super rugby

spk_0 yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah cause of the world so it's just um you know it's just to be mindful as a viewer

spk_0 yeah like that that's how that's the correct rule in yes but sometimes because we like to speed

spk_0 things up and and have um trials of not having the TMO come in things get missed one of the other

spk_0 things that we saw was obviously the falcon from Jordy Barrett and email through from Chris Minto

spk_0 who was wondering how long it will take for world rugby to get rid of the falcon because it is such an

spk_0 anomaly yeah um do I kind of thought that he almost did it on purpose now you could see his hands

spk_0 were going for then it hit the I think he saw the option and when yeah maybe maybe I don't know like

spk_0 but I agree I think it's you know it's almost like Carlos Spencer's knee kick you know that was

spk_0 allowed and then you know sort of said it couldn't be and even um what was it in super rugby a few

spk_0 I think it was there in crude and like tap the ball over and I caught it off yeah caught it so it

spk_0 it'll be something like that like if it starts happening every week yeah like it's well what a

spk_0 quintupe I say honky the honky ball and he said look I saw it I saw that so he he knew that it was

spk_0 going to be a try and that's yeah you know like it was um it was very clear and obvious like you

spk_0 knew it sort of came off its face um but yeah I think it'll be something that gets removed if it

spk_0 becomes a more common thing even speaking on the grab a through brin did you notice that the

spk_0 all blacks were putting grab it through a lot like that they'd definitely obviously seeing something

spk_0 against Australia or it's it's a kicking option that they're looking at bringing in is a more go-to

spk_0 sort of attacking weapon and when that space is there it's pretty much dependent on where they're

spk_0 nine is right like if the nine's on the edge or they're slipping and they feel like they're slipping

spk_0 in a lot because they're losing their collision and needs to be able to help the heart defend so

spk_0 yeah it's a it's a it's a massive part of the field I think you have seen that you know long kicks

spk_0 down the middle of the field in terms of territory to get the bounce and then be able to get the

spk_0 teams to kick out from there but yeah it's definitely a weapon if you want to identify where the

spk_0 nine is because that's probably the biggest cue and the biggest train that you do see if they're

spk_0 in the line them the communication on the run with the pivots or I guess more so you're

spk_0 all Jordan all your wingers looking for that space and identifying where those kind of were

spk_0 more so the nine is and seeing that space even if someone goes down on it and connects you

spk_0 that just pile through counter-rike it's just seeing very effective it's just not something that

spk_0 I suppose I've seen a lot in terms of kick strategy but yeah I don't know if they did it

spk_0 purposely or it's something they just saw it against Australia but I liked it.

spk_0 Maybe let's segue now to talking about the spring box Argentine the game because there was plenty

spk_0 there to talk about especially this box scrum which again the penalties they're able to get

spk_0 are what are the stats here that the box of one 12 penalties at scrum time the next best in the

spk_0 championship is New Zealand at five. Yeah and I think that I actually don't that's a good point

spk_0 because everyone thinks that we've gone backwards and now I'm set piece but I don't think we have

spk_0 but to talk to the box specifically I'm standing think it's a mess then like they just

spk_0 seen absolutely like technically like that Argentinean scrum wasn't like they were absorbing it

spk_0 but man it was just like there's definitely like Oxen chair if you listen to every prop in world

spk_0 rugby they will constantly reference him and he came off the field and they actually

spk_0 Argentinean started coming back at scrum time actually got some penalties of their own so I do

spk_0 think a lot of it like Malcolm Mark's absolute beast the toy beast but Oxen chair seems to be like

spk_0 when they have that absolute dominance and like destroying packs he seems to be the consistent

spk_0 theme when when they dominate but I do think a lot of it's to do with the the size of those players

spk_0 like I'm not saying Argentine are small but it's that transition of weight it's Peter Steph

spk_0 detour you can see he is like like cooling the grass but he is he is ready to rock and roll he's

spk_0 not going to a scrum looking up going who am I defending or where how do I get to the first

spk_0 here it's she's all on they very large linker yeah but they scrum for penalties

spk_0 but it's just such a gift man when you have dominance at scrum time there's no bit of feeling

spk_0 you're just you're just salivating to get to a scrum to milk the penalty because then you know

spk_0 you get a breather you can kick to the corner and they're just they are just so efficient in the 22

spk_0 you know the the one side that across the rugby championship score a bulk of tries five plus

spk_0 phases and it's also to do with that picking go just anyone next man up picking go picking go and

spk_0 they and again sometimes I feel like it's a mass thing like they just dominate the collision

spk_0 eventually they know they eventually are going to go over it's the moralising as well

spk_0 I think as well like I was just watching even like you know Argentine maybe in like me got a

spk_0 got a counter attack but like a little knock on off that then you're like okay well there's a

spk_0 really good played defensively but you know what that little knock on that was you know 50-50

spk_0 sometimes even a 60-40 you're not being that bad and you just know you've got to go to a scrum

spk_0 and even they tried quick hooks you know their solution was to try getting the ball in and out but

spk_0 you know if any times that ever again that had a scrum they were just getting penalties and just

spk_0 bullying you leave a look at that Kobe's right next to try you know it just pops out because

spk_0 of the dominance around the scrum and how easy it is for a nine to score for that and then I also

spk_0 agree around the 20-20 it's like how do you how do you stop them like when it's in the 22 and

spk_0 there been alvato have guys that are latching they've got ball carriers I've rid of my notes how do

spk_0 you stop them because it's hard when it comes to efficiency they get over the environment

spk_0 trying to cleaners good luck so I guess the solution is is that you don't want them to get into

spk_0 the entry of the 22 try to have them in a low number because when they are in there it's I don't

spk_0 know so you might be better in that space so I didn't the fight how you would stop it because it

spk_0 seems like it's unstoppable at the moment their ability to play so many different ways I think as

spk_0 well because defenders have so much to think about and if you look at in terms of consistent

spk_0 themes with South Africa they hit in the rugby championship like they have the most balance

spk_0 scoring but if you look at every other team it's like all that 20 minutes are really good in

spk_0 that 20 minutes they struggle balance scoring balance defense balance conceding across the 80

spk_0 minutes it's not like there's they are just so consistent and then obviously when they get into

spk_0 the 22 they they build a lot of phases and score but 52% of their tries come from turn over yeah

spk_0 so they can you know and like that's the all I when I look at those stats all I think about is

spk_0 when Wayne Smith brought in that click attack Brynn and it's like you have 15 seconds they have that

spk_0 and mass brutality in the 22 and I think that's why because they know what they're doing but defense

spk_0 don't doesn't you know so you have to be wary for the crossfield kit to Colby you you can't just

spk_0 tighten up and go okay we're gonna take you on muscled muscle okay sweet well we're just gonna go

spk_0 to the edge and score do you sit like that they are they've just got their I suppose bag of tools

spk_0 that will expose you and they've got game drivers I think that make really good decisions based

spk_0 on the pictures of the defense is giving them and that's the difference if they're not having an

spk_0 off-night that's the difference between them and everyone else in the rugby championship yeah

spk_0 I've never really seen that like in any team that across 80 minutes across a competition to see such

spk_0 I suppose consistent things in terms of point scored points conceded just don't underestimate as

spk_0 well like when you have a scrum like that it doesn't matter where you are in the game if it's a

spk_0 close game and you can know that you're gonna get a penalty and you're gonna work teams from that

spk_0 it's it's a great advantage to have and then from that is well that we've even been touched on

spk_0 the kicking game like if they're able to get the execution of their box kick in their push game

spk_0 they can go to that so it's kind of just picking their poison if they're not getting that that scrum

spk_0 is obviously a really big weapon that they're able to use at any time but they can attack they can

spk_0 mall they can go to the scrum they can kick they can counter attack so you know that's pretty much

spk_0 five different ways that they're able to score points and man you've got to credit their decision

spk_0 making like they didn't go to contestables they knew that Argin Tina would like that they want

spk_0 the bubble ball they want the turn over the disruption they they went to the cross field flat kicks

spk_0 or they went to the territory base kicks you know you didn't see a lot of contestables like they

spk_0 they are very methodical in their preparation and playing to their strengths but also exposing

spk_0 or not providing opportunities to the strengths of the opposition. Let's go from there because

spk_0 the box ability to get a scrum penalty is really big when you consider that Argin Tina score

spk_0 more tries than anyone else off scrum attack. It is in like you know and but sometimes when your

spk_0 first phase is often number eight because they want to do a quick quick a quick pick it takes

spk_0 away all that scrum attack that we probably saw in the first couple of test match and this

spk_0 regular championship of how good they were the players they were getting to the people that they

spk_0 were trying to they were trying to fix they were able to do that so when you want to scrum

spk_0 that's just going backwards from the get go pretty much from the hit from the engage from the set

spk_0 it takes away the ability of been able to get that wide pass from nine get to the players that you

spk_0 want to more so your number 12 and been able to get to the 10-12 area early you probably can't do

spk_0 them you've got your eight picking to try and get the ball out as quick and he's probably doesn't

spk_0 have that past length like your wood is a nine if you wanted to pass it to a 12 which we probably see

spk_0 traditionally with with scrum strikes these days. That takes us through to the Ashland mountain

spk_0 turning point for the week. Jippa Argin Tina they had them on the ropes and they let them off

spk_0 yeah don't do that against that for good. No you don't and I don't think Argin Tina can afford

spk_0 to miss that opportunity in the first half because they score that's when they're at their best

spk_0 and they'd kick to the corner okay just moments before maybe it was a tougher kick and they were

spk_0 building pressure building pressure building pressure went back to penalty I think Malcolm Marx was

spk_0 done for you know incorrect entry you just felt if they could get seven there and this is the

spk_0 the reason why it's a turning point is I think if their scrum was okay they would have gone to a

spk_0 scrum like you you mentioned 45% their tries come from scrum and they've got such strong strike

spk_0 plays off that scrum that you know they probably will score you know it's one area that they will

spk_0 score within one to two phases but they just didn't have that you know like and they went away from

spk_0 I suppose what was working for them and when they win and the three points from there just got

spk_0 South Africa back in the game and they got out to the big lead and credit to Argin Tina they

spk_0 did come back but the damage was done or the momentum or the pressure they could have put on the

spk_0 box to you know give them a little bit of anxiety to maybe make a poor decision tactically

spk_0 yeah it was there it was right there for the taking and and I've I found in that moment and I didn't

spk_0 I watched the game live so I didn't know what was going to happen but I found at that moment I was

spk_0 like that's just an opportunity miss you didn't sleep much that I don't know no no no no well it was

spk_0 like it was right there you know and I it's kind of hard do you get hyped up like when you watch

spk_0 the all blacks like yeah it's quite hard to just go to the scratchy you know like so yeah I just

spk_0 remained up I turned in at 230 I couldn't make the second half I couldn't make it so when I woke up I

spk_0 was disappointed to see that Argin Tina would fall off again yeah yeah I just I think it's the

spk_0 code here to me I wanted to know what was was going to happen I was watching as a as a Kiwi fan as an

spk_0 all black fan I think you know if they were to score to try and been able to go to the corner it's

spk_0 just a different little bit different of maybe putting not demons but putting a few anxiety I mean

spk_0 a bit of worry to the sad ever again but I just always felt that with that decision it kept

spk_0 them in reach and it wasn't that it didn't it didn't need to take them that much to find themselves

spk_0 back into the game so the difference of maybe scoring two trials have been out to two two schools

spk_0 or three schools you know then it ends up being a bit of a question question mark in their heads

spk_0 around can they can they bring it back I think they would have they would have been able to like I

spk_0 said with all the things that they do really I'm also there scrum time would have told that they

spk_0 would have been able to build pressure through scrums get penalties get into the 22 areas I

spk_0 haven't been able to I think eventually won the game in the end but maybe possibly a little bit

spk_0 closer but yeah I think they missed a trick Argin Tina I just heard a usually you know I know

spk_0 they like to build that school board pressure they do it traditionally but I think to to beat the

spk_0 sad ever again tends to be with the out the moment you've got to go and attack them you've got to

spk_0 go beat them and want it just feel they can't let them off the hook in then the sad ever again

spk_0 felt like they were kind of but that's what I felt when watching it but the M O it did go away from

spk_0 the M O because yes they do like to chip away at three but that's normally from 40 metres out

spk_0 so if the penalty was 40 metres out and they took the three I'd be like yeah because they're not

spk_0 that good off the line out no point kicking to the corner take the three beauty but they very very

spk_0 strong they set a set piece scrum in the 22 it's scoring and it just shows it just showed the

spk_0 impact and I just think the scrum was the reason why they the South Africans won that test because

spk_0 had they not been struggling so much it just would have put so much pressure back on South Africa

spk_0 yeah that second half the South Africans showed it again I just there's no one can stick with

spk_0 them in the second half I know the Aussies did it and you know New Zealand did it to a degree but

spk_0 probably will ride on the back foot of the Edin Park in the second half yeah they just

spk_0 they they're they're when tiring bodies they're very good I just think tactically their game drivers

spk_0 are just so good at reading defences and we say it all the time on here like defense will give you

spk_0 the answer the defense will give you the answer you've got tools to or things you can pull on or

spk_0 rely on but none of it and that's what I sort of say I'm not to bring it back to the all blacks

spk_0 but that's what I like about the quick tabs or Leroy Carter coming in and scooping because it's

spk_0 off the cuff you're going okay the defense is doing this we're doing that do you see what I mean

spk_0 and I think South Africa and their game drivers are just or actually baby Brunner I'm probably giving

spk_0 credit to the game drivers but probably their edges Colby and Co communicating things in that's

spk_0 probably allowing them I suppose that X factor and that's what really excited me from an all black

spk_0 point of view because you really saw that the other night it seems like your reason tandem like

spk_0 I think when it comes to game drivers and if they are playing well the outsides are playing well

spk_0 all vice versa the balls getting out to the edges because of distribution or being able to get

spk_0 across feel a cook or it just seems like when I feel like Tony Brown I own it's been a little bit

spk_0 of time with him but the accountability that everybody has in their own role especially in the

spk_0 back line is really important so if you do your own role you're able to communicate on the run and

spk_0 be able to have those those kind of communications and chat throughout the game it gives you a

spk_0 better opportunity to pull trigger and be decisive and be able to get the execution right so

spk_0 I just feel a lot to bring back to the all black spot I feel that's kind of where we're missing

spk_0 a little bit as well like you know execution under pressure you know the balls are they aren't

spk_0 just aren't in front they kind of out the back or the catcher past to put it away we're just not

spk_0 kind of getting that continuity we get it in spurt and I hate to say it but it feels like

spk_0 that rugby championship for me is we played in spurt but it's some really good things in spurt

spk_0 but we just weren't consistent enough in the kineke the the kineke call nature what the spring

spk_0 box are doing even though it was 2927 I just felt they did it very very well in the rugby championship

spk_0 that's the interesting thing coming out of the rugby champion isn't it the first time that

spk_0 it's been decided by points differential since the tournament started in 2012 the probably the best

spk_0 the previous best is probably 2022 when all of the teams got at least two wins as well

spk_0 but to me even though it was so close and even though teams are getting wins off each other

spk_0 you couldn't help but feel there was this gap between New Zealand and the spring box between

spk_0 even Australia beat the spring box they just seemed to be a gap even though the scoreboard doesn't

spk_0 necessarily show that on the table we've got to give credit to the all blacks taking it to

spk_0 I suppose points to French for you know like that like Brynn there is an element like I hear what

spk_0 you're saying there but and bonus point on the line they were pretty ruthless and efficient and

spk_0 they got the try and they and they got the job done you know like it really was one bad half

spk_0 well and a bad half from Argentina yeah after everything that we've spoken about and you can hear

spk_0 it the way razor talks and the players talk they're now looking for that consistency themselves and

spk_0 and I think they'll find it maybe on glass half full there's always but um I don't know maybe

spk_0 I don't think the gaps that big between any of those sides and the rest but I think we're going to

spk_0 let we're like we're about to find out because we're playing the big dogs in a really challenging

spk_0 tour well it's a year Brynn where they do get to challenge themselves against all of the

spk_0 major nations they get to play this year so by the end of this year there'll be a very very good

spk_0 understanding about where you'll like sit I'll ask you then if we get to the we win the grand slam yeah

spk_0 like you'd have to say like that's a pretty good year for the opposition you've got to come up against

spk_0 well if you've tied with the spring box on the table you've got to win and a loss against the

spk_0 spring box and you've won a grand slam then you're not coming out the end of the year and saying

spk_0 where Scott Robbins are going to be next year you're going to be saying well that wasn't too bad

spk_0 you played against every major rugby nation this year and came out with 80% winning record or whatever

spk_0 it's likely to be at that point and using a what was in mount of players yeah you know like

spk_0 playing a good sort of layer of depth if they can be successful in the all blacks 15 I don't

spk_0 it sets yeah a pretty nice picture yeah if they if yeah yeah I don't I don't I just I'm just

spk_0 trying to like I don't think yeah it's I like our ruthless nature when the all blacks lose like

spk_0 I love it I love how our nation does that like that's that's our superpower but like that I don't

spk_0 think there's overwhelming lead like massive issues or massive gap between us and the spring box

spk_0 the one area that they probably have the most is that dominance they are just consistently the most

spk_0 dominant physically and that it's just so hard you know and we have to find a way to match that

spk_0 I like I'm sitting here going it's so hard I'm not really offering any solutions but like we have

spk_0 to find a way to match that if we are to then reclaim number one in the world like what is a

spk_0 successful interview tour can we afford to drop one is that a successful one if we drop island

spk_0 in Chicago and then we go zero we go three from three from that is that a successful tour in modern

spk_0 rugby 75% is successful I think because these teams are also close 75% are successful if they lose two

spk_0 that's a failure if they win all four that's surprisingly good because it is so competitive

spk_0 by way of outstanding yeah that is yeah this isn't 2005 where they're turning up and playing

spk_0 separate 15s week on week and nailing opposition by 30 points this is it'll be fine margill

spk_0 yeah yeah yeah I just don't know where Wales are ever much enough of them yeah well I mean that

spk_0 haven't been very very good for a long time now the scots on the other hand we've seen a lot of

spk_0 first I know we've seen the scots being consistent but New Zealand has been ticking off bad firsts

spk_0 for some time now oh and you know fin Russell yeah he like that he will have it circled yeah and

spk_0 that he he is your Sasha you know he's someone that can do things others can't yeah if you look

spk_0 at the Scottish backline as well I know we'll probably go a little bit more deep once we do get into

spk_0 that individual tour but jeez if you'll all British Norwich lines you know kill you know what's

spk_0 the name are kill a number 15 was it Bob Blair Kinghorn sorry Kinghorn you got Jones we had

spk_0 outstanding British Norwich lines till you got two polo to you got Russell you got white you obviously

spk_0 came in at the India tour so they've both been the move so in terms of the talent and what

spk_0 their consistency of that group has been for a long time I think you know we obviously don't want

spk_0 to be a first that Scotland does beat us but they've been there or there about we've always

spk_0 talked it in the six nations that in the big games they haven't been able to get the job done but

spk_0 I think with that you know the experience of playing the British Norwich lines coming in you know

spk_0 they might be a little bit underdone considering like what we do in the June series but look I think

spk_0 the cohesion that that group has had it's an end it's an any that's I guess it'll be the best chance

spk_0 for them to try and be this for sure we're getting so ahead of us all but just to finish up

spk_0 and just to finish off on the scots is their biggest weakness is their ability to have dominance

spk_0 up front you know if you look at the lines very minimal selection of forwards yeah and even the ones

spk_0 that were selected didn't play a lot in terms of the big test so if there's ever a game that you

spk_0 can take fin Russell out of it it's you know taking what we've learned through this rugby championship

spk_0 and really looking to just absolutely dominate up front right up front parcels here he is up front

spk_0 past and that's the key trend that we're taking out of all this what about looking across the teams

spk_0 which players stood out to you going okay this guy really made a name for him um well it's not

spk_0 made a name but it made me realise how important he is to Australia is Tom Wright yeah the moment

spk_0 they lost him like 30% of Australia's tries to come from turnovers a lot of the time it's from his

spk_0 instinct has ability to kick 50-22s so he has that kicking threat which means defenders really

spk_0 struggle whether to come up or or stay back um and his injury just changed I think the direction

spk_0 for for Australia and then it's the the the next thing to just to stick with Australia and I

spk_0 know these aren't new players but even skeletons HIA you know and Valentini coming off the bench

spk_0 and those guys aren't starting it's a big difference for Australia and I think what they what

spk_0 what I take out of it is they need to you know try and find that that player that resides in Australia

spk_0 that can be picked all the time and isn't playing French rugby to build their own consistency

spk_0 do you not I mean um but I mean will skeletons don't pop up everywhere um but they've shown

spk_0 enough I suppose physically when he hasn't been there to still find a way to win but there's a heavy

spk_0 reliance on certain individuals do you know I mean for that squad could moving this the rugby

spk_0 championship low people are talking to to the summer at the same time as the six nations and

spk_0 they'll just be called quality yeah I just think well what lead in like you you do need some runs

spk_0 on the boards and to test right that's my personal take yeah um and like I like the idea of a

spk_0 global calendar but you've got to meet halfway not just um you know it would change the dynamic of

spk_0 every like I can't get my head around it yeah personally I just don't know how it would work

spk_0 you'd be coming off cold yeah for summer break because you'd be playing in February wouldn't you

spk_0 you'd be playing in January February yeah yeah I don't think that sets you up for success

spk_0 personally for test match footy yeah that's a pretty tough hard ground there yeah like they play

spk_0 through that period normally yeah um you know like you almost feel like super angry would have to

spk_0 be a summer sport you know like to go almost starting now there's got to be a middle ground that

spk_0 is so excessive like I love my footy but I don't mind a good few weeks at summer yeah well I'll

spk_0 but it sounds like the Aussies in the South Africans probably because of the fact that they

spk_0 select overseas players for it yeah would does that mean that New Zealand would have to just

spk_0 change the way that we approach it as far as the ability to select overseas players is this

spk_0 the thing that changed I'm good luck having a quality in PC that we've just what witness

spk_0 do you know I mean like it just would make over the end yeah why would you start like it isn't

spk_0 if you make the all blacks from it doesn't take the more money it doesn't vote yet so it helps

spk_0 everybody else in the world but it doesn't help out how about us and so there's a lot of things

spk_0 that go with it that jippers just probably alluded to and probably works with the play association so

spk_0 I don't think it would improve our ability it tastes like I don't think we'd pre-past that well

spk_0 and there's 130 odd years of legacy of that jersey anyway sorry Ross I just wanted to pop onto

spk_0 two guys and I thought actually played really well during the rugby championship as well I think

spk_0 look I think for the all blacks Lee worry Carter I think he's one gymnast here he's had an outstanding

spk_0 rugby championship in what the opportunity is that he's been given and I think also just touch

spk_0 on along with Australia I just think Lenny Ekertel has become such a big part of that Australian team

spk_0 we know that he's been he's been a good ball carrier but I've just really enjoyed seeing his

spk_0 progression over the last 12 months through the British Norwich Lion series first rugby championship

spk_0 the subtle touches that he has the distribution the little kicks in behind has ability to be able to

spk_0 get over the advantage line whether it's close to the rock or just in general off the edge so

spk_0 he Lenny Ekertel I think it's kind of getting into that conversation now I've been one of the

spk_0 better midfielder's in the world with his performances during the regular championship and especially

spk_0 the British Norwich Lions as well to continue on that theme Brenov players that I think caught

spk_0 his retimer you know like I know that like Cam Rory bit guard came back and dominated but again

spk_0 I thought he was great off the bench and before he got that stand in an injury like he took his

spk_0 chance but we don't don't forget about that performance in Argentina like he was outstanding and

spk_0 that competition for that nine jersey and even you know unfortunately no I got injured but you

spk_0 know he really shone as well so I think that nine positions really exciting for us and then

spk_0 Fraser McRite like he I think he is a very very important cog you laugh because I didn't guess

spk_0 who's going to say Fraser there was no part of it that thought that that was going to be met you

spk_0 how good is he how good is he's outstanding over the ball great I just think he's he's very he's

spk_0 a very influential player and obviously a very good leader and that in that Aussie team yeah

spk_0 Fraser McRite fan club does that I'm still good brun don't worry no I mean I actually had him

spk_0 in my head McRite here I asked Brenov Foley and he actually had a head McRite in that list as

spk_0 well mate so you two are aligned very well it's in good place yeah what did Bernard make of it as an

spk_0 Aussie yeah mate I think he is probably kind of touched on some really good points like we know that

spk_0 that Joe Smith kind of team they love their tight carries it's a part of the dinner I think I've

spk_0 touched on it last week how how tight they like to play and then Ben Albert take his open up their

spk_0 backs and Ben Albert to hold on to the ball I think the holding on to the ball is the biggest

spk_0 thing that he enjoys seeing they want to throw the ball around they want to try and ask questions

spk_0 we saw that definitely on the weekend with the all blacks with especially in the edge plate the

spk_0 Fords on the air there if it's a Harry Wilson doesn't matter what number they have on their back

spk_0 they had the billy bit I'll play with the ball hand so yeah he was he was impressed I think with

spk_0 Australia the only bad thing is not getting a result and Ben Albert to get one against the

spk_0 all blacks but I think with what we are seeing with Joe Smith there has been a massive improvement

spk_0 considering what happened with Eddie Jones in the World Cup not too long ago what's the next step

spk_0 for them to face yeah I could still a big issue yeah I don't think they bring enough presents

spk_0 like that line speed is a quality and they show how dangerous they can be from turnover

spk_0 ball so if they can create like when you look at dominant tackle stats like

spk_0 it's half a year a miles ahead like they had 19 dominant tackles against Argentina on the weekend

spk_0 it's outrageous like you know like so and you know Argentina are the same they get good high

spk_0 dominant tackle stats so I think they if they couldn't you know not be on the back foot all the time

spk_0 defensively and you know meet people even halfway you don't I'm not asking them to just fly

spk_0 to the line recklessly and try and smash people but somehow they've got to be able to get off their

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spk_0 the link or using the QR code below right let's go to the NPC because you know that I want to talk

spk_0 about what's happening here can debris take top spot over Otago that leaves them in a pretty good spot

spk_0 doesn't it yeah look they've been the best offensive team like their defense is outrageous like

spk_0 they've had a couple of slip ups against Otago the shield so they've they've shown that it can be

spk_0 broken down but for the most part James Lynch has got that system humming they've all brought into it

spk_0 so I think if there is one side though that you probably don't want to play is counties but

spk_0 that's that loud well and when you regularly to back up all the chat before they are they have the

spk_0 most dominant carries they have the most dominant tackles and then they've got X factor and

spk_0 none I said to you and pop OLE at 12 is just man like if there's one side if I was Canary

spk_0 it's probably wasn't let me want to play yeah I think if Canary get through this weekend they're

spk_0 going to be very hard to beat it home 48 points or more for the last four games for counties that

spk_0 is the pretty damn effective and bring a few weeks ago there was no chance in how that they looked

spk_0 five weeks ago like they had come close to the playoffs here they are on a Jared Hain you know

spk_0 style running for the NRL playoffs you know do I dare to dream of course you would Ross dream mate

spk_0 I think yeah when you talk around get on a hot run sometimes you just start on a play teams and

spk_0 those canary whizz will know that like even when you're when you're playing the Crusaders you just

spk_0 watching the kind of that seventh eighth and looking at who's going hold up the time and I think

spk_0 to the counties boys they can score points very good dominance in terms of being able to go

spk_0 defensively as well and I think if you're thinking if you're the if you're the Canary team go and

spk_0 set peace and been able to go there I guess the contestable game I've been able to smother this

spk_0 counties team will probably be the most probably one of the more important things so yeah but counties

spk_0 jeez they can throw the kick it just thing in there on a ritre and a form so I definitely don't

spk_0 put it past them going down there especially the effect they went to Tezman get the job done

spk_0 that down down that good down there and then heading up to Carsturch while getting down a car

spk_0 church sorry to get the job done as well well I just say this like they both played on Sunday they

spk_0 get the afternoon kickoff as well yeah like it feeds right into counties hands like seven o'clock

spk_0 kickoff Canary will win that game yeah nine times out of ten two o'clock Sunday well that's going

spk_0 to be a beauty okay but because I'm a realist you know and I don't expect eight to beat one

spk_0 necessarily if it's not Canary Otago who is it Hawks Bay yeah I've just got such a strong

spk_0 forward pack um Devon Flanders is just playing out of his skin um and then they've just got depth

spk_0 depth I'm going that's recently biased like obviously of the weekend like last week I said

spk_0 Tarnaki and bad Pliny so I'll be a realist and come clean I don't really know but um I think um

spk_0 yeah I think it'll be Canary Otago yeah final you just can't see anyone top it up

spk_0 nah Otago they rested players and put 50 on Auckland this is so impressive

spk_0 for all Auckland and the nation mourned and the nation mourned what do you think Brenner if it's not

spk_0 Canary Otago who is it Bay of Pliny I thought look they've been there there about it's not just

spk_0 this year but last they lost the final last year and they've you know they're full packs you know

spk_0 pretty similar in terms of the players that they have had for a while so I feel like if you are

spk_0 going to win this championship you've got to have a pretty robusting and an experienced full pack

spk_0 and then with the likes of Eclan you know Arcoi you've got Borton Johnston and even La Saga as well

spk_0 there's enough there to I think to be able to put some pressure on on this top two teams but look

spk_0 it's going to be hard to to do it against Otago on a Canary team because they've been in the

spk_0 they've been a two-pest team best team to the year but you know Bay of Pliny for the fact that

spk_0 they have been there are there about to last couple of years they they are Jew I believe but can

spk_0 they get it done from where they are not too sure but that would be the dark horse if it's not

spk_0 going to be Canary Brewer and Otago look I'm all about that like I think they're a quality side

spk_0 um and I know what he watches so I'm not saying they can't win it um but what I what I what I

spk_0 I just get confused when they're so good one week and they just destroy teams and then you know

spk_0 Wellington get off to a 21-0 start and they have to fight their way back into games um so I think

spk_0 that Hawks Bay Tarnaki result will be quite critical that quarter final by the all blacks are coming

spk_0 back for that quarter final semifinal stage correct so you know getting dependent who comes back

spk_0 and who gets to play for who for those kind of games you know bringing back all black power

spk_0 for some of those teams might actually make it a little bit better for them as well

spk_0 off the bench but I mean by the time you get to the playoffs you need to trust what you've

spk_0 you know I think or I think I think what Wycaddles had the most all blacks back and they did work

spk_0 for them no they started them yeah and it didn't work and then they brought them off the bench

spk_0 and it worked and and Tearsman so um it depends how many training days like if you're

spk_0 only there for one training day it has to be the bench yeah there's too much at stake it's not

spk_0 around Romongay yeah and then just let them go their natural instincts and so I'm

spk_0 in all black coming off the bench for 20 30 minutes NPC oh yeah all day every day let's go they

spk_0 would lick their lips at that yeah yeah yeah well there's plenty of lucky lips at great games

spk_0 Otago Waikato Bayou Plenty Tazman Hawks Bay Tarnaki Canterbury Counties Big Week End of NPC

spk_0 quarter final time you know we're going to be talking about this next week especially when

spk_0 county speeds canterbury we're talking about plenty of it thank you very much for joining us on

spk_0 the show once again thank you very much to Ashlyn Martin Milka here send us a look and after us please

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spk_0 as much as we can we get quite a few through so we'll get to them when we can get to them and thank

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