Technology
Two: Looking Down
In this episode, Dasha and Peter explore the profound impact of the internet on their lives and society. They delve into the complexities of online behavior, radicalization, and the cultural shifts st...
Two: Looking Down
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Hey there, it's us again.
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This is my brother Peter, Mom and Dad, and I'm Dasha.
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Today we're going to be showing our friends the basics of the internet, and we thought
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you might want to come along.
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It'll be cool.
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The internet gave us a whole world of exciting new possibilities.
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So I guess this is a story of how it changed our lives.
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Maybe it will yours too.
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So why don't we try to see how far we can go back in the search history?
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Like down there?
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Yeah.
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How does it feel to hold back the curtain and show strangers this history?
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It's fucking embarrassing.
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It's really fucking embarrassing, especially sitting next to you guys.
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You guys from the New York Times, you're like, what the fuck were you watching this
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shit for, dog?
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I'll just be honest, I would not show you my YouTube history.
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So I asked Caleb to download his entire YouTube viewing history, like 12,000 videos spanning
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four years of his life, and like, you were excited.
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I was losing my mind.
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Glad we're doing this today.
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Did you see anything that's just like strange?
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Like I do just, I'm an internet person, right?
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You understand?
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So like, I've heard so many stories about people falling down internet rabbit holes.
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Is that, uh-huh?
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Take on me?
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Fucking love that song.
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But I never actually was able to sort of forensically reconstruct someone's actual journey
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down internet rabbit hole.
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Inch by inch.
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And then I'll listen like a lot of like, the fires, the earthquake, the death.
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Alex Jones black metal.
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That shit's actually pretty awesome.
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Elsa?
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Do you want to build a scene?
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Kevin looking at this, I can't help but feel like it's a little intrusive.
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Like we're right going through someone's diary or something?
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Yeah, totally.
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Like, he went through a period where he was, he was listening to a lot of frozen songs,
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but also.
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Jesse.
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Do you want to build a meth lab?
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Um, parodies?
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Like, there's a frozen and breaking bad parody mashup called, do you want to build a meth lab?
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We'll make lots of money.
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Just you and me will stack the power up high.
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But it's exactly because it's so private and unguarded and unfiltered that it's so valuable
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as a reporting tool.
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Yeah, let's go all the scrolls as far as you can and we'll start from the beginning.
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So what you're looking for in Kale's watch history are the clues for how he over time
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takes on more and more radical beliefs, right?
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Okay, so we'll slow down.
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We'll go back to how it started and to do that, we have to really put his watch history
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in time.
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The college students are, I've done right to be depressed.
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Their society is unsustainable because nobody's asking the fundamental questions about why
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the society is the way it is, why things are so bad.
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Because the YouTube history that Caleb was able to download and share with us, it starts
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in 2015, which is about a year after he got that job at Derrick Queen.
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And right away, one of the first things you notice is the Stefan Mollonoo.
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Why is it that men are the ones who have to be banished from social discourse?
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Why is it men who have to be driven into the basement?
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Caleb's all time favorite YouTuber.
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If you can only have a voice by making other people shut up, you're not a feminist.
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You're a tyrant.
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The tone and focus of his videos.
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And apparently the only way that feminists can give women a voice is saying,
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shut up to every man on the planet.
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Has really sharpened in the wake of this weird and important internet event.
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Did you have feelings about Game of the Gate while it was happening?
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I didn't get too much into that, but I saw it as like, see they're trying to take everything over.
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They just want to make everything politically correct.
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You know, all these SJWs, they're even trying to take our video games.
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An event called Game of the Gate.
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What is Game of the Gate?
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Pay attention to Game of the Gate.
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That is Game of the Gate.
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Game of the Gate.
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I don't even know what that is.
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So a few months before this watch history starts back in 2014,
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there was a breakup between this gamer and his girlfriend,
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who was a video game developer.
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And she was sort of part of this movement of progressive game developers
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who really wanted to take the world of video games,
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grab a whore and have a good time.
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Please don't.
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I want to give him a stud like you, a free sample.
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Like how it depicted women and violence and bring it into the modern age.
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And she made these very non-traditional games.
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Like in one of them, the enemy that your character is fighting is depression.
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And this game, it got a lot of positive press.
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Like gaming journalists really liked it,
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called it compelling and educational.
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Depression quest hands down one of the worst games I've ever played.
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But some gamers...
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It sucks.
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Really hated it.
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It really, really, really sucks.
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So the ex-boyfriend of this developer...
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wrote this really long blog post,
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in which he basically accused her of sleeping with a video game journalist
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in exchange for positive coverage.
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And despite the fact that this gaming journalist had never actually reviewed this game,
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this blog post went viral.
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And voila, drama is made.
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It appears that she was involved in sexual activity,
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in return for favorable review school.
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And starts this huge controversy.
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The core issue is really, it's nepotism.
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Over whether the video game industry,
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which makes billions of dollars a year,
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has a huge impact on people's lives,
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whether it's all plagued by corruption and nepotism and foul play.
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We have a right to question the integrity of the sites that we're reading.
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And then a bunch of angry gamers started this very intense campaign of harassment.
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What started as an online spat about the ethics of gaming journalism,
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quickly escalated into a full-blown culture war.
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They use all these tactics that would only work on the internet.
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And now the women calling for change in this multi-billion dollar virtual industry
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are facing a very real backlash, including death threats.
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Baming memes and trying to get hashtags trending.
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These bomb, rape, and death threats from online harassers.
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Lots of fake accounts.
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Dress on Twitter even forced another game developer to leave her Boston area home
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after her address was made public.
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It was really the first culture war
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where the internet itself became the primary weapon.
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Who controls a feminist?
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Who calls gay and militarerists?
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We do.
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And it became clear that the real thing that people were angry about
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wasn't ethics in gaming journalism or whatever.
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It was the fact that they thought this culture of video games,
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this culture that for decades have been dominated by young men.
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We have characters in video games that are being attacked day in and day out
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just because of how their dress was now under attack.
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If you can't set your politics in your bullshit down before you come into our gaming shop,
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you ain't welcome there.
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And the threat was coming from the media.
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Now the media is trying to reapply these negative stereotypes to us
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along as a mediocre game contains the correct progressive political positions.
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It's considered groundbreaking innovative.
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And progressive, these people that they call social justice warriors.
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The term social justice warrior does not actually mean someone who's out for social justice.
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The SW is they want equality, but I don't think that they understand what true equality is.
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And it wasn't just video games.
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Activists and feminazies are fucking ruining comic books.
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Feminism, ruined Star Wars.
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Pretty soon it's spread to...
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Boyle Boy is PC culture really just...
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Everything.
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Ruining our whole world.
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That's what gamer gate is about.
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We're tired of this.
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Saying that we're all white, we're all male, we're all straight and so on so forth.
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I saw it as like, see they're trying to take everything over.
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They just want to make everything politically correct.
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You know, all these SJWs, they're even trying to take our video games.
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And it was on the other side of gamer gate that this new kind of political identity emerged.
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And this identity like, it didn't really fit into a traditional left-right
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Democrat Republican spectrum.
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In this identity, you could be pro-game marriage and pro marijuana legalization.
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You can even support Medicare for all.
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But the core belief, like the central thing that animates you,
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is this power struggle against these dying old media gatekeepers who just want to like
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tell people what to think and enforce this restrictive PC culture.
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You cannot make anyone else feel bad in the way we're going to get you to never make anyone
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else feel bad is to put the SJW thumb screws right up your refra.
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Right into your balls.
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And so the Stefan Malini that we see in Caleb's watch history, post-gamer gate,
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he's really come to embody this new political identity.
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The media will praise people who are leftist and multiculturalists and blah, blah, blah, blah,
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and they will attack other people who aren't that way.
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Especially with a series of videos.
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This is the truth about Karl Marx.
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There are sort of variations on the truth about.
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Martin Luther King plagiarist about historical figures, political leaders, but more often about
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this is the truth about Israel and Palestine.
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This is the truth about slavery.
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Controversial topics in the news.
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The truth about Michael Brown and the Ferguson right.
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The truth about immigration.
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This is the truth.
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This is the truth.
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The truth about the movie frozen.
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The format of these videos is pretty much the same every time.
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He lays out first the kind of official explanation for something that happened in the news.
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CNN went with the headline,
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Michael Brown teased shot by police days before college,
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continuing the gentle giant narrative.
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Then he sort of breaks it down and tells you,
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here's what really happened.
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So the video that we saw, and according to a police report,
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a brown and his friend, Dorian Johnson,
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were performing a strong armed robbery with store staff and stealing a box of cigars on set.
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He's saying basically, look, like,
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I'm no expert, but I can see that this official explanation is not right.
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Now this gentle giant, Michael Brown, recorded a collection of rap
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tracks with friends and posted them.
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But I am going to give you the truth.
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Lyrix, I guess you could call them,
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go something like this.
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I just want a real bitch,
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smoked dope, and kill shit.
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If we can, challenge the narrative and begin to think of fresh.
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No bias, no spin, no fancy cameras, no makeup.
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In fact, I read a no makeup.
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Why?
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Because I actually do some research, right?
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Before I create a video, you know, it may not be the end of the world to do a little less foundation
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on the skin and a little bit more foundation in critical thinking.
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I was chasing truth.
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You know, I had this analogy in my head that I thought of.
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I was like Indiana Jones with my, you know, explorers hat on.
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And stuff like said, hey, look at this cave.
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Look, there's knowledge down there, right?
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The truth is down there.
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You've got to go down and dig for it.
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So looking through the early months of Caleb's watch history,
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and it was an uncomfortable truth, and I'd accepted that.
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And that's what made it even more compelling.
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You really see that Stefan Malinu was the first step into the rabbit hole for him.
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And because Caleb would watch Stefan Malinu and then go on these long binges,
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where he would just watch recommended video after recommended video,
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you can really see, like, in detail where the algorithm is taking him next.
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Yeah, so that's what you do.
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Like, you'll watch a video and then the little sidebar comes out and you're like,
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oh, let's go on a little bench here.
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So, for example, on Thursday, July 17th, at exactly 11.27 am.
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I'm going out of West, where I belong.
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Caleb clicks on a music video for a song called California Sun by the Riviera's.
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Ladies and gentlemen, from the dark north of Canada, the white north.
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And then he clicks over to Joe Rogan.
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There's a lot of these ideas that you have said that are very controversial, that we're going to
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give you an opportunity.
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Who is interviewing who else?
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Stefan Malinu.
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One of your positions that you criticize or one of the other things that gets tossed out,
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you is the term misogynist.
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And for like three hours, if it means general hatred of all women,
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then I made a really bad choice of who to get married.
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Caleb's watching his favorite YouTubers talk about his favorite YouTube videos.
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You do a lot of these, the truth about people.
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They debate a little bit.
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A lot of these ideas, they're not, these aren't essentially black and white issues.
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And when you state that people who have issues with me or disagree with things that I say,
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you'll have better reason and evidence.
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Fantastic. I mean, I've done it.
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And then I can see that the very next video that he gets recommended.
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I've been looking forward to doing this podcast with you again for a while.
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Is another Joe Rogan interview with Stefan Malinu?
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I feel quite a strong urgency that it's a race of us.
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The birth of the internet will be by far.
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And then again, like, he watches them talk for another three hours.
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So I think we're out of time.
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I think we, we, we, we, we didn't know three hours.
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Yeah, we just, we just rushed really.
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Yeah, we didn't talk about a lot of things that I wanted to talk about.
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Quick.
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And then you can see Caleb goes on this long music binge.
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He logs off for a few hours.
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And when he comes back at 340 in the morning,
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he plays hours of classical music.
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The next day,
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Hi, everybody.
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I even have to tell you Caleb wakes up.
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Hi, everybody.
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Stefan Malinu.
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Hi, everybody.
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Stefan Malinu.
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And he goes on a big Stefan Malinu binge.
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Most times you get picked on because you're...
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And skipping ahead in his viewing history
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past some more Stefan Malinu and some musical interludes.
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I'm sorry to say that the most brazen untruths always come from the left.
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You can see that Caleb gets a recommendation
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for someone totally new.
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What the Gamergate movement did was prove that it is possible to beat the left.
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Malinopolis, provocateur.
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It was the first time that ordinary people
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proved that you could beat the feminist wackos if you tried.
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Malinopolis, he's this flampoint British guy who is fully embraced.
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My safe word is women can be funny.
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The role of Internet troll.
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No, they can.
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I mean, I can't think of any examples, but
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he was a major figure in Gamergate and then he got hired by Steve Bannon at Brightbar.
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Everywhere in the world there is Islam.
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You will find women oppressed, homosexuals murdered, gang rape.
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Now, there's a unique...
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He's younger than Stefan Malinu and he's not just talking into his webcam.
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He's actually going out to college campuses and on talk shows and podcasts.
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We're in a situation now where students can go to university.
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They come out dumber than when they went in.
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They are infantilized by safe space and trigger warning culture.
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And he sort of became Brightbar's first breakout star.
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It is a wonderfully involved name moment in Internet culture.
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And then after that Caleb gets recommended.
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This other new guy.
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These feminists are the absolute weakest among women.
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Name Stephen Crowder.
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They can't handle content that might be upsetting.
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They need to be warned.
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They need to make up terms like micro aggression.
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They need to...
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He's this comedian.
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He did a short stint at Fox News.
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And then he became huge on YouTube.
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Black Lives Matter listed their demands.
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Black only cultural spaces.
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In the name of equality they're demanding segregation.
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Just for scale, he's got like 4.4 million subscribers.
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Which is about twice as many as The New York Times.
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These women demand that you don't say anything that they don't like.
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And then demand that you put the bill for their health care for their college.
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He's got a lot in common with staff and myelons.
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You are demanded to not only approve, tolerate, but praise them.
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But what makes him different is that he's the first straight-up conservative
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that has entered Caleb's YouTube diet.
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We've been told how great Barack Obama's been for national security because
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what some have been lawden was killed.
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Stephen Crowder is a constitutionalist conservative.
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We now have Syrian refugees wanting to come in.
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Several have been caught with fake passports trying to get it.
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I was listening to a lot of him.
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And what's particularly interesting about this piece of Caleb's YouTube history
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is that we don't just have his viewing history.
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We also have his search history.
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And we can see right here that after he gets recommended Stephen Crowder videos.
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The dean of Yale or president of Yale,
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they told him his job was to create a safe space for people.
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His job wasn't to educate.
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He then goes looking for more of them.
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And he goes on all of these other side benches
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that start with Stephen Crowder.
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Which is how he meets another new character.
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Senior Gavin McGinnis, thank you for being on the show, sir.
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Gavin McGinnis.
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Hello!
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Good morning.
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I am here to make the case for Western shovonism.
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Yes, I'll Gavin on Stephen Crowder's podcast.
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And so I'd type in Gavin's name and I'd start watching his content.
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I started this gang called the Proud Boys.
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We have chapters all over the world.
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Gavin is really a singular character in all this.
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He was one of the co-founders of Vice Magazine back in the day
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and helped pioneer this hipster aesthetic.
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He has a big beard and wears skinny jeans.
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He looks like someone you would run into at the food co-op.
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You go to these pro-black cop rallies
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and they're screaming with Soviet signs.
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And like Steph and Milo and Stephen Crowder,
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he considers himself edgy.
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But he takes things a lot further than other people
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that Caleb has been watching, especially when it comes to race.
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In 2005, 10 white men raped black women.
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37,000 black men raped white women.
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Now, I don't want to make it about race,
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but if you want to go there, we can go there.
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And the numbers ain't pretty, lady.
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Then, throughout the next part of his watch history,
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you can see that one name really starts
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dominating basically everything else.
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Lauren Southern.
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Reporters like Rachel Maddo and publications
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like The Huffington Post and Heat Street
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have become a lapping stock among the right
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and left for their ignorance on how the internet
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and its culture works.
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So Lauren Southern, she's this 25-year-old Canadian
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libertarian who in 2015 ran for parliament
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and she lost, but in the process,
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she built a pretty big YouTube channel,
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which in some ways like made her more powerful
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than if she had gotten elected to parliament.
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Hello, it's Lauren Southern, here with Rebel.
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And I just got in a huge confrontation with the Slut Walk
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which we are following right now.
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When I first saw Lauren, she was at the Slut Walks.
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All right, let's go follow the walk.
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No, Lisa.
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She was beautiful, she was a brown my age.
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You are attacking our cameraman.
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Her big break-at-moment was when she interrupted
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these Slut Walks, these sexual assault protests
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that were happening all over North America.
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It's a hell to sign that said,
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we are not living in a rape culture in the West.
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She would go up to feminists and try to debate them.
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Rapists don't get high fives, we don't have the government funding rapists.
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She's basically doing the same sort of
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gunzo activism that Michael Moore was doing 10 years earlier,
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but she's doing it on the other side of the culture war.
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There's a group of women that were here
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and they're wishing to draw consent to use a footage
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that you had, I guess, gotten.
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So you can't just withdraw consent the next,
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like, what is interesting?
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Why is that interesting?
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It's just, you know, tell me, tell me, like, a rally
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for consent and they're saying no
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and you're saying that.
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Okay, so if someone gives consent the night before
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and then they have, no, no, listen, if they have sex with a man
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and they give consent to him, then the next day decide,
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oh, I regret it.
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I'm going to report him for being a rapist,
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even though I gave him consent.
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You're saying that's okay?
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So you're out of all the YouTubers that Caleb has watched.
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Lauren Southern, she's really the most like him.
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She's young, she dropped out of college,
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she is a fan of the same YouTubers that he is,
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and she really kind of brings all these ideas together
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in these dramatic real world confrontations.
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I was like, who's this?
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And I was like, wow, she's out there owning the lives
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and giving them facts and logic, okay?
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If you want to know what my sign means,
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my sign means that this is not a rape culture
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because rapists go to prison here,
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go to Afrika and you will see a real rape culture.
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And at this point, like, Caleb says that this all feels
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like the same edgy punk rock stuff he was into in high school.
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It's just that what is punk rock has changed?
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There was this counter-culture element to it.
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We are the new counter-culture.
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I don't understand why the right,
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why white males have to tip toe around.
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We are the punk rock kids, right?
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And everyone else gets to just yell,
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what do we want?
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Dead cops!
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What are everyone's races?
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We're the ones pushing back against the status quo
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of like this elite, you know, globalist,
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like liberal society.
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I don't know if the mainstream media knows
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just how many people are following in the wake
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and disassembling what they're building
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because they just keep doing it.
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I have really good news for you.
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I just heard that the press is stuck on their aeroplane.
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They can't get here.
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I love it.
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And that's what Trump was.
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Trump was that figure that was going to come in and reverse it all.
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They called us and said,
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could you wait?
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I said absolutely not.
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Let's get going.
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Right?
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Let's get going, New Hampshire.
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There's lots of things I hated about the Republicans,
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but you had to vote for Trump.
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So, Kevin, it feels like just in this first year
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of Caleb's watch history,
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he's come quite a long way from the guy who was excited about Barack Obama
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or who wanted to study environmental science in college.
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Right.
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And it feels to me like it's happening really quickly.
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Yeah.
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But all of the stuff that Caleb is going through and experiencing,
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it all lines up with these changes that are happening at YouTube
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the very same year.
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Hey, hold up.
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This is your minute.
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It's your minute in this life on this day.
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It's your day.
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Deplay.
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To play.
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To make.
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To move.
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To move.
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Through.
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To explore.
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It's your morning to share.
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Your weekend.
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To shape.
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To cook.
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To soak.
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To listen.
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To.
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To wait.
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It's your body.
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To rest.
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To nourish.
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To grow.
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With your mind.
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You know.
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It's your place.
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Your country.
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Your life.
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To love.
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To rise.
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To dream.
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To change.
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Show world as much as anyone's.
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Show world to understand.
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The New York Times.
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Find out more at nytimes.com slash your world.
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All right, so Kevin, what is happening back at YouTube during this year that Caleb is
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meeting all these new people?
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So throughout 2014 and 2015, YouTube is growing an insane amount.
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And a lot of that is because of this AI that Guillaume helped build.
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Guillaume, our French friend.
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Got a billion users that seeing accelerating usage growth.
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More of the same.
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More of the same.
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But around 2015, after Guillaume was gone, YouTube realized that in order to keep growing,
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it had to do a version of a thing that he had been talking about.
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It couldn't just keep showing people more and more videos about the things that they were
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interested in.
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It had to show them new videos on new subjects, new topics featuring new people.
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It had to actually expand their tastes, including things they didn't even know they'd want.
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So YouTube calls in Google Brain.
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It's the best AI PhDs in the world.
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They're publishing the most papers.
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They're winning the most awards.
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Like this is the A team of AI.
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And they come in and their job is to re-engineer the recommendations algorithm around this new AI
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technique called a deep neural network.
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Which is this AI technique that is supposed to mimic the way the human brain processes information.
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And basically what you do is you give it a whole bunch of data, in this case like
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billions and billions of data points about what people are watching on YouTube.
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And you instruct the AI to go out and find patterns and connections in that data,
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including stuff that no human would ever think to make.
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Connections and patterns that no human could ever find.
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And then you use those connections to recommend paths for people that can draw them into new
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subject areas that can get them interested in new things that can make them watch not just one more
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video or two more videos, but like 500 new videos.
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That's really what feminism is.
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It's a giant suicide bomber.
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And if you look at Caleb's watch history, that's when he starts getting introduced to all these
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new characters. It only leads to death and suffering.
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I get the idea of trying to show that women are real people too, yadda yadda yadda.
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And then when he gets a new job in 2016, and then when I got my second job at the warehouse,
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we were actually allowed to listen to earphones, packing boxes in a warehouse.
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I stood at a bench all day and put things into boxes.
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So I was pretty much by myself. His YouTube watch time skyrockets even more.
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There is a war at the moment between the West and the West.
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Women are not in a pressed class in the West.
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There is no music.
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You know, we were told we'll just obey these moral commands,
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the same time to call the gym.
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He's actually spending all day from sun up to sundown online.
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The people in the bad cultures want to get to the good culture.
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Not even sundown because I've listened to it in my soul.
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And it is your first world.
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It is your kind of service.
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Put the phone next right next to my head and it would just be running YouTube all night.
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Moral response.
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Thank you guys so much for watching.
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And thank you so much to my amazing Patreon supporters who make it so that I'm able to talk about
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these scary bigoted subjects.
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And I did feel very connected with these people.
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Thank you so much for your patience and time and care and attention.
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As always, this is all supported by you.
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Yes you.
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Not no, no.
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I'm the guy standing behind you.
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No.
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I was like, you know, if only Laura knew how it was, we'd be friends.
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If staff knew who I was, we'd be friends.
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It's just that I'm disconnected from these people because I'm stuck in West Virginia.
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If you look through Caleb's viewing history and added all up,
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he watched about 4,000 videos in 2016, which is double the number he had the previous year.
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And around this time, like YouTube's overall viewing time was ratcheting up so much that in 2016,
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they reached this milestone of a billion hours a day being watched on YouTube.
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When you get an oversupply of lies, you get a demand for truth.
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I mean, just raises the demand.
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And I think that the alternative media, as it's called,
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bringing sort of reason evidence to our perspective,
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a billion hours is equal to 114,000 years.
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That is insane.
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So every day on YouTube, people collectively around the world are getting up and watching 114,000
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years worth of videos.
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This is what we could have colonized bars by now.
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Oh, that's not what we're here to do.
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My only source of information was YouTube.
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This is no longer like a site where you go to watch a video.
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It's the soundtrack to people's life.
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I was only listening to Steph, Lauren Southern, Gavin McKennaz.
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I was not taking my news from anywhere else.
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And these alternative media figures, these people that Caleb has been following and watching,
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they're becoming bigger than a lot of the mainstream media organizations that they're criticizing.
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I built this show from nothing to, you know, coming up to 300 million views and downloads.
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I started back in 2006 on YouTube.
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Back then, edgy atheism and liberalism dominated all of YouTube.
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It's amazing how things have changed.
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Google is a calculator.
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It's just an algorithm.
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And the algorithm shows truth.
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And you can see in his viewing history after the election, like late 2016 or late 2017,
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you thought I was going to lose.
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Wrong.
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You thought Hillary was going to win.
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Wrong.
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That's when the tone of the videos that Caleb is watching
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nobody has to say you because you're a fucking white man who gets to do whatever he wants to in this
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face.
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It stops feeling to him like a culture war and it starts feeling like an actual war.
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Angry demonstrators taking turns being a paper mache likeness of Trump with the bad.
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I would watch SJW, you know, social justice warrior cringe compilations and all this stuff.
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Take your privilege somewhere else.
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Do not be a spectator in the most important battle in history.
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And Caleb started to notice around this time that he wasn't the same person that he wasn't high
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school.
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And I now I'm calling myself a civic nationalist.
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He is changing.
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It's not just for America.
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It's not just for Britain.
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It's for the identity of the West.
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It's under attack from radical Islam from cultural Marxists opposed.
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And I noticed that we all were progressively becoming more and more right wing.
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Now when he sees a video of Richard Spencer, an open white nationalist.
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For us as Europeans, it is only normal again when we are great again.
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Hail Trump.
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Hail our people.
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Hail victory.
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He actually feels like they have something in common.
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I remember even Richard Spencer going to the hotel in DC.
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To be white is to be a striver.
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And, you know, doing the Hail Trump and doing the Zeke Hyland.
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We don't exploit other groups.
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They need us and not the other way around.
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And I remember defending him.
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I thought, look, it's his right to do that.
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And it's his free speech.
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And they're not, that's not a Nazi salute.
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It's a Roman salute.
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And I remember saying things like, you know,
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if they want white nationalism, if they want their own little corner of the country
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and they all voluntarily move there and do that, that's fine.
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Immigrants come to this country and do that all the time.
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There's a Chinatown.
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There's any, you know, all these things.
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So it was like, I saw it as like, well, that's their freedom to do so.
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And like, there's some distance between the Richard Spencer white nationalist movement
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and like Caleb's favorite YouTubers.
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You know, Stefan Malony was not having Richard Spencer like on his channel.
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But I think that white identity and white nationalism is a little misleading.
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I think it's more accurate to say that the alt-right cares about Western supremacy,
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rather than white supremacy.
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It cares about white supremacy.
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A lot of them are starting to affiliate themselves.
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I do think that the right overall is going to be changing to a movement
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that is going more alt-right actually.
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With this group that Richard Spencer played a key role in starting.
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So it started with this guy, Richard Spencer.
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Boop!
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He came up with a name alt-right, alternative right.
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And I like this guy.
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I like debating him.
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The alt-right.
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What's the alt-right or alternative right?
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Some members hold distinctive positions on sex roles,
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trade and free markets, and foreign policy.
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But they all agree on one thing.
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Equality is a dangerous myth.
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Over time in his YouTube history,
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you see that Caleb gets recommended videos by this guy named Jared Taylor.
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For some reason, Jared Taylor got into my algorithm.
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When it comes to race, I was certainly just as ignorant as you.
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And Jared Taylor, he's a little different
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than the other people that Caleb's been watching.
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It was with great reluctance that I said goodbye
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to all of these happy fantasies about how we're all essentially replaceable
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and everyone is the same.
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He's older.
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He wears like suits and has a master's degree.
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Jared Taylor, for some reason, he was soft-spoken,
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well-mannered, presentable looking.
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He's not a YouTuber.
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The science of herality tells us that some people will always be above average.
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Some people will be above.
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He was a professional racist before Caleb was born.
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And his big project has been to kind of
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make racism respectable by dressing it up
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in all this quasi-scientific language.
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And so when Caleb sees him,
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he's talking about something called race realism.
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Race realism.
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You know, the differences in IQ among the races
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and saying that that explained, you know,
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why black people are in poverty
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and why Asians are doing so well in the country.
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These are biological facts.
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They're not sociological constructs.
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I thought we'll look at it.
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You can see it in reality.
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But what he does have in common with the other YouTubers
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that Caleb is watching.
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So much vital data on these questions
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is essentially kept underground.
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Is that he frames his views as a kind of secret knowledge.
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We evolve from nature
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and that once you see the logic behind it,
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and this is how things are.
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You see that it's the truth.
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This is the natural world.
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And this is, you know,
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black people grew up in Africa
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and white people grew up in Europe.
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And this is just how it is.
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And all this stuff that I'd never,
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ever believe before.
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And then at some point,
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Caleb says he started to do more than just watch YouTube videos.
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I would have arguments with people
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and I would try to convince people on things like race realism
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and mass immigration.
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The thing I want to talk about today
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is the great replacement.
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I'd talk to people that I saw as intelligent.
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And I'd say you need to have more kids.
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The funny thing is is that if white people really cared about the world,
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they would very much wish to preserve white culture.
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You know, intelligent people are dying out.
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I'm sure you're aware of what is called the great replacement,
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the fact that in every western country,
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the proportion of whites drops every year.
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Do you really think that the European people in culture
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are replaceable within a generation with no consequences?
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Did you read the New Zealand shooters manifesto?
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I read about the first 15 pages
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and it was exactly what I believed.
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Not the violence, but the great replacement.
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That's what I called it.
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All those things.
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That's how I saw the world.
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That was what I believed.
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Yes, so when did you feel your views shifting again?
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So you know...
Topics Covered
internet basics
YouTube history
internet rabbit holes
GamerGate controversy
video game industry
social justice warriors
political identity
cultural backlash
online harassment
media influence
Caleb's watch history
Stefan Malinu
truth about controversial topics
gaming journalism ethics
progressive game developers