Shubman Gill Takes Over! Is This the End of the Rohit-Virat Era? | The KimAppa Show

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spk_0 Welcome to Kimupper, Jared and Robbie here for another week of whatever this is that

spk_0 we do and I can't touch him this week. Sorry, I know there's a lot of people there.

spk_0 A lot of people have their messaging saying they want more touching of Robbie.

spk_0 So, you know, lots of fan mail for first Jared touchy Robbie. Let's start with Rohe Charmer

spk_0 because this is quite a big news Robbie. Will you surprise the Rohe Charmer as no longer ODI

spk_0 captain or is that something you were kind of thinking was a potential? No, I didn't think of it

spk_0 as potential but I can understand the foresight that exists in that decision and I think there's

spk_0 there was obviously a conversation that was had I think it seems like there's a conversation

spk_0 that was had and I think that given that if that conversation's had communication was there

spk_0 then I think it's fine and I think Jita Gharkar and Gautam Gambir or whoever made that decision

spk_0 the selectors will probably have that conversation with him about okay what what is the future look

spk_0 like he's gotten fit you know and he's going to be in all honesty he's going to be 40 when that

spk_0 when that World Cup comes around right so you got to keep that in you know in consideration as well

spk_0 and you know for all intents and purposes I think it's done with you know doing it

spk_0 doing a decision when the stakes are low rather than when the stakes are high you don't want

spk_0 another situation like what happened in Australia to happen to Rohe Charmer he's he's too good of a

spk_0 player for something that to happen to him again so you know maybe to avoid all of those stuff

spk_0 maybe I don't know as this is just conjecture but you don't want a uncomfortable situation like that

spk_0 you know and I think if he keeps himself fit then there's no question that you know Rohe and

spk_0 Virat will be a part of that side. The whole thing's fascinating for a bunch of different reasons

spk_0 you're right it's a low stakes time so you make the change now also if you are thinking strategically

spk_0 it probably makes more sense to make the change at the moment because what you don't want is for him

spk_0 to lose form in about 12 to 14 months right and then you're like now what do we do do we make the

spk_0 change now do we hang on you know so they've given themselves some options yeah but there's many

spk_0 different facets to this as well I think it's also a shot to Virat and to Rohe to say look we know

spk_0 you want to win this World Cup and like everything that we know about them externally and you will

spk_0 know more internally than I do suggest that they want to finish by winning a 50 over World Cup right

spk_0 that's the thing that they dreamed of winning when they were kids and everything else but what

spk_0 the BCCI or the management at this stage at least are saying is that's fine we you're still very

spk_0 good players and all you're very good players you will obviously get picked but you have to keep

spk_0 making runs in order to get picked we're not going to do what we did with the test team yeah I think so

spk_0 I think that's I think they've been doing well as well in one decade so far they've

spk_0 they've played exceptionally well so I think they will continue to do well it's a format that I think

spk_0 that they've figured out they know how they get their runs and how they perform well and they stick

spk_0 to the set templates that work for them and I think they will continue to do that I don't I don't

spk_0 see you know as form kind of dipping in that sense but it's just about reflexes and how does that

spk_0 work and you know how those things work because right now they're not playing a lot of cricket as well

spk_0 right the only cricket they will find themselves playing is perhaps the IPL and one day cricket

spk_0 and perhaps maybe some domestic one day matches if they do come by I think that's the only kind

spk_0 of match kind of opportunities that they actually do have compared it of opportunities that they do

spk_0 have outside of that they don't have too much so they will have to keep working on their game

spk_0 and it's going to be it's it can be a little weird to be very honest because when you when you're

spk_0 not playing one format and you're playing the other then there is a ebb in the flow of rhythm right

spk_0 and so that's something that they will need to work out but I think they will they'll be fine I think

spk_0 for the most part they find both of them yeah I think that's really interesting because that's

spk_0 that's that next step and it's harder for the Indian players than it is for the international

spk_0 players because if you play in if you play in the IPL you can probably pick two other leagues

spk_0 throughout the year make sure that you're flying for three leagues and then you're going to play a

spk_0 World Cup or something every now and again right there's so many World Cups so you can have four

spk_0 major tournaments that you play every year if you wanted to and if your body is not ready for four

spk_0 you can bring it down to three and so you're you're playing you know intense for maybe a month or two

spk_0 months then you have some recovery time then you amp back up to the next tournament it's a bit

spk_0 different for the way that it's going to work for people like Vera and Roe here right like they

spk_0 don't have that system where they can just pop off to the hundred right at play for a little while

spk_0 so how the older players get managed I think is fascinating in this in this new world yeah

spk_0 it's going to be hard isn't it isn't how do you manage their their more than fitness I think

spk_0 they're form and just they're full yeah it's rhythm right how do you how do you manage rhythm because

spk_0 you want to you want them to to have that that match time under their belt every season now it depends

spk_0 on on Rohit and Virat how much they're willing to do that as well at the motivation to even do that

spk_0 at this age at 38 and 37 respectively 37 36 perhaps respectively how how do they navigate through

spk_0 that that's going to be perhaps their biggest hurdle over the next couple of years will will BCC

spk_0 I grant them permission to go and play other leagues outside highly unlikely but it could happen if

spk_0 it does happen that's great for cricketers and that would be awesome for cricketers otherwise I think

spk_0 they'll have to just bite that time and just kind of do a lot of math simulation have you done

spk_0 math simulation I I don't think cricketers do enough that simulation really you had a nice simulation

spk_0 can you do a math simulation for like if there's a BCC I have to come in and help with that like

spk_0 what's the what's the structure of how you can get the people around you or do you just go to your

spk_0 local area and you're Rohit and Virat and there's enough professional cricketers seen in yes very easy

spk_0 yeah there's this so many so many cricketers playing so especially in a place like Mumbai

spk_0 a place like Bangalore Delhi Calcutta Chennai a lot of these places are quite easy to round up say

spk_0 12 15 guys most of them bowlers and to go out there and just practice for a few hours where you

spk_0 set up you set up you kind of hire an entire ground for maybe four or five hours and then you kind

spk_0 of spend time batting and just kind of challenging yourself you know playing through different periods

spk_0 of a game you know how would you bat in the first 10 hours then how would you bat in the next 20

spk_0 and then how would you finish a game once you're set and then you can actually do it all together

spk_0 and say okay I'm batting 50 hours today if I get out pack my bags and leave so there's actually

spk_0 something at stake you actually pay all your players you pay the rent for the ground as well so

spk_0 you know so then you suddenly have take you know put put put put put a price on your wicket and

spk_0 and then you kind of go about practice that way and that's it's a lot of fun I've done that a bunch

spk_0 of times where we go into practice and you say okay if you get out once a day we're done right and

spk_0 we go back home so I would do it differently how would I think what I would do is I would work out

spk_0 what the average time or the average innings is right so I'm like okay so this is obviously let's

spk_0 take my failures out of it right what's my average sort of innings on on a normal day and what's

spk_0 my average long innings and I want to come I want to play a game where I play 25 balls let's say

spk_0 that's my normal and then when I get set my average balls might be 52 right or 45 or whatever that

spk_0 may be be like so in the morning I want to play the 20 odd ball game and in the morning and the afternoon

spk_0 and so if I go out that's fine that isn't but in my mind I just have to go oh that was dropped or

spk_0 I he he bowed in a ball and to be able to go through that because really I think what players need

spk_0 to replicate is the actual time that they are out there and the intensity that they are out there

spk_0 for so if you go out I think it's slightly different but you can do both of those right if you

spk_0 if you would you book it for like three or four days and you do a morning session afternoon session

spk_0 so you do eight games and you can have one game in the morning where if you go out you go out and

spk_0 one game in the afternoon where you're literally just trying to hit your target and just be like I

spk_0 need to maximize this this is how long I'm going to be in right so as you said before that template

spk_0 of when I get to this amount of balls I want to be doing this and when I get to this amount of balls

spk_0 I want to be able to do that I think you could do that but I do think the cricket is trained

spk_0 incorrectly but what you're talking about there is what basketballs do right and you know you see

spk_0 it quite a lot in in basketball is they just have these runs with like a NBA player we'll book out

spk_0 a gym and just call up a bunch of people who are like fringe players maybe a couple of friends

spk_0 of his he wants to do and he'll be like this is what I want to run this is why I want to do this

spk_0 so I need a couple of guys with a seven foot two who who jump through the through the floor

spk_0 because I want to practice against seven foot two guys trying to block my shots in a game situation

spk_0 yeah so that's also done and cricket so for example you want to play a tall fastball or bring

spk_0 his ball back in or you want to play left-down fastballers and so you do a session where you just

spk_0 play left-down fastballers we know no no you do that in a you do that in the nets right at the moment

spk_0 no so you can actually do this in in a match in a match in a match in a match in a match in a match

spk_0 that's what I'm saying that's what you want to be able to do is combine that yeah no I'm not 100%

spk_0 I think I think it's really really fascinating so I remember when AB2V years was I think it was

spk_0 his asses and the IPL and I said if you look at the sports science now and you look at what Tom Brady

spk_0 and all these 45-year-old athletes are doing right and we know that cricket has a history also

spk_0 of athletes playing on longer than other sports you know you know miss but was was about

spk_0 50% for it's funny yeah what Brad Brad Hodger Brad Hogg were both 62 so we have we already have

spk_0 the history of that and so I came up with sort of like a template of how you could do that going

spk_0 ahead and a lot of it involved things like match simulations and everything else and also not

spk_0 picking tournaments based on how much money they would pay you which is how cricket is normally

spk_0 do which is a make sense but towards the end of your career really what you want to do is make sure

spk_0 that you don't go more than three months without playing in a series but you also want all your

spk_0 you want your form and your energy to be at the top for when you hit the IPL right yeah and in this

spk_0 case we're talking about something slightly different we're talking about trying to make sure you're

spk_0 in the right position for a World Cup and everything else but I think it's a fascinating one of

spk_0 how we do all those sorts of things because at the moment these players are they are coached by

spk_0 the BCCI and by their individual franchises and everything else but they are so much more than just

spk_0 Indian players and you know Mumbai and RCB players right it's about them getting ready for every

spk_0 individual challenge that they want to get ready for from here and coming up with a plan for that

spk_0 yeah and and it's perfect guys like Rohit and Virat and I think even for for example living for

spk_0 guys like me it wasn't that hard to kind of round up say 10 15 players and do match simulations

spk_0 now it's about the intent to do match simulations okay why am I doing this and what's my what's

spk_0 the purpose to do this so for for example when I was playing for preparation for Ed ball cricket

spk_0 I always kind of pick October and go to Mumbai in October because October's when when the

spk_0 monsoon ends and then it starts getting a little warm and gets really muggy in in Mumbai I say

spk_0 muggy gets proper muggy like it the humidity feels like it's 120 percent it feels like that right and

spk_0 then so I know that if I can use that time in Mumbai for preparations then one is I'll physically get my

spk_0 my my my padding fitness up so if my match simulation is also include running between the wickets and

spk_0 playing two or three bowlers at a time so that there's a constant kind of pressure on me so it's

spk_0 like I'm playing a ball every 20 seconds every 30 seconds I'm playing a ball and and we would we

spk_0 would actually do practice sessions with say on uncovered wickets at seven o'clock at 7.30

spk_0 eight o'clock in the morning so it'd be like nice and UE so like seam around the lots you're

spk_0 going to be really disciplined to stay not out and we like the the whole the whole exercise would

spk_0 be for one and a half hours you have two new balls coming at you and your your your job is to

spk_0 just survive for one and a half hours you don't have a score runs you just have to survive so refocus

spk_0 take what you need to do to prepare as your pre ball preparation and then make sure you stay not up

spk_0 you play the ball only with the line the stumps and you leave the other balls and you play close to

spk_0 your body be ready to catch blows whatever and then that would be and that kind of preparation makes

spk_0 Ranji Trophy really really easy right ball cricket really really easy because you're really putting

spk_0 yourself through the ringer there and then you go you go in a you go into a you go into a match and

spk_0 then you're playing a ball every like 45 seconds or so 30 35 seconds so you play and then the

spk_0 ball walks back and suddenly feel like oh my god I have so much time so like really just calmly go

spk_0 through my pre ball preparation and then get ready for each ball and that's that's great prep man

spk_0 and then these these guys have the luxury to be able to do that and I know that people outside of

spk_0 India can't do this isn't especially outside of the subcontinent it's quite hard to do this especially

spk_0 in England in Australia I know in places like Australia people find it difficult just to find

spk_0 someone to do throw downs with like it's a big issue in cricket within that also the other one

spk_0 is facilities in some places like if you become a freelance player or somewhere else like you know

spk_0 you you know and and now with you know underage cricket men's and girls coming through they're

spk_0 using a lot of the facilities as well so it's harder for some of the pros the older pros just to

spk_0 get what they need he here's one for you just because this is nothing to do with how we started this

spk_0 podcast but I think this is quite interesting of there's more running in the nets now than we've

spk_0 ever seen before so if you go to the nets now you quite often see players running from one end to

spk_0 the other before before they face a ball right but I think we could be honesty real be most of those

spk_0 players are still jogging or just are passing themselves I this is the same I've always thought about

spk_0 this when it comes to penalties and football and free throws and and and and and Crue and batting in

spk_0 cricket they're all the same I didn't have a lot of problems batting when like my head was clear and

spk_0 like you know I was rested my I have lots of problems at the ball after I've run a tour of three

spk_0 because right because my brain is going at that point and the ability to pull my brain back to where

spk_0 I needed to be I had all that sort of stuff and I watch people like I've seen NBA players do this

spk_0 like practice free throws where they just like shoot like 500 three throws in a row and I'm like yeah

spk_0 that's great but in a game you will have just sprinted from one end to the other you've just been

spk_0 pushed you've just fallen over whatever then you have to shoot a three throw and it's the same

spk_0 in cricket we see so many people in the nets like literally facing a ball and so but that's not

spk_0 what happens in a game you're exhausted because you've just sprinted up and back right you know

spk_0 that there's something else going on so I I do think I've got one day would do a whole podcast

spk_0 on my war on the nets but I really think the cricket nets are so poor the way that we set them up not

spk_0 not the out of season nets because I think they're fine but in season nets when you need people to

spk_0 actually understand what they're doing it's like what I really want is I want to know if you can

spk_0 face a bouncer from a net bowler right after you've run a three and you're exhausted Brian

spk_0 Lara used pot plants to work on his placement John Wright glued his glove to his back

spk_0 Sachin Tendulka dug up practice pitches to tender typo cut the top off his back

spk_0 Claire Taylor used a hockey grip Steve Smith was from tennis Dean Jones would call phantom runs

spk_0 and Victor Trumpa turned the nets into a war zone to survive the best batters in the world do

spk_0 whatever they have to to make runs we have told their stories in our new book the art of batting

spk_0 well you don't want to do that in season right because you in season you're preparing you're

spk_0 preparing a lot more for for for the competition so offseason you're preparing more for your your

spk_0 mental acumen your your the combination of your mental and physical acumen right so how like you

spk_0 can you can try those things out in the offseason but I'd say I'd say in in the during during the

spk_0 season what you want to do is make sure that you just primed to be very honest so you got the flow

spk_0 going so I see a lot of players I agree with you a lot of players you know a lot of basketball players

spk_0 do that they just go and stand at the free throw line and throw 500 balls in and that's more for

spk_0 the the muscle memory and how it feels leaving yeah the repetition and how it feels going out of

spk_0 the hand right it's actually that it's not the pressure so they know how to deal with the pressure

spk_0 because they've been there day in and day out they we know how to center our breath again after each

spk_0 double that we've run or each triple that we've run so we know how to center our breath we know how

spk_0 slow the game down enough to be able to catch our breath center ourselves to play to play each ball

spk_0 and that also comes with experience there are a lot of times you you feel like you're going mentally

spk_0 but you need you know that you still have to play the ball to its merit you still have to play the ball

spk_0 according to the situation of the game I get you but what I'm saying is if you are if you are

spk_0 training in a position I don't think nets set you up for the right kind of not situate and

spk_0 there's different kinds of cricket all three different formats right so there are three types of

spk_0 training right there's offseason there's preseason and there's in season so what you're saying

spk_0 I think works amazingly well in preseason and and in the nets you can't really recreate a lot of

spk_0 the stuff because a lot of things are assumed in the nets right yeah even if you you ask a like for

spk_0 me what I used to do even while playing in season say in the IPL or any other any other tournament I

spk_0 would actually ask the bowlers and you have five bowlers coming at you at a time right so you

spk_0 really don't have time you literally have five or five to eight seconds between each ball so there's

spk_0 very little time to kind of recover so even if you run you're actually the bowlers also trying to

spk_0 get into rhythm because they have to wait a certain period of time between each delivery so you

spk_0 want to make the net conducive for each player that's that's there in the nets so how do you do that

spk_0 so that's why now they have spinners nets separately and you have a fast bowlers nets separately in

spk_0 that sense I think they kind of maximize the potential of an in season net the the the preseason net

spk_0 is where you can have open nets so basically you you put a center wicked you practice on the center

spk_0 wicked but you put nets around it and then that feels a lot more like a simulation where you can

spk_0 actually visualize a lot more things you know easily offseason is where you're in the nets you're

spk_0 practicing particular skills you're you're basically working on the know like you're basically working

spk_0 on say the finerest aspects and elements in your game where you're fine tuning stuff when you're

spk_0 making corrections and you're making adjustments and building that into muscle memory so preseason sorry

spk_0 offseason is to build muscle memory corrections of techniques and all of that preseason is to prime

spk_0 yourself up so mentally and physically do the do the combination of of putting yourself under pressure

spk_0 in season is about repeating what you've built through the offseason and the preseason you know

spk_0 and to keep them primed to go into a game so it's basically top up in season is more top up

spk_0 no no I think in season's fascinating I would go as far as saying that in season you should be doing

spk_0 more open practice on grounds yeah for sure and I think that's what I was saying yeah they're

spk_0 starting to do it yeah it was that was something when I was at St. Lucia they guess because I was

spk_0 just mowing about the nets every day and I was like what's the point of this like what do you think

spk_0 you're getting out of it like I see it's as simple as you talked about the recentering and everything

spk_0 but you and I also know that if you run a hard to right off a spinner and the next ball you

spk_0 need to hit a four or six you need to know what that feels like consistently in the nets because

spk_0 what happens in the nets is people just stand still and they slog right so all their energy is in

spk_0 the slugging and they've forgotten that there's going to be different pools and weights and and

spk_0 everything on that anyway and that's done in the offseason and the preseason and that's predominantly

spk_0 done in the offseason the preseason so that when you do do it when it does happen or when you do

spk_0 try it out in the in season then then it then it becomes easy you're just doing it to test out if

spk_0 all the work you've done through the off and the preseason yeah work really well for you in the

spk_0 in season it's like to stop up and say okay it does this work so what we're saying is that there's

spk_0 a new way of doing all this and these guys will find other methods that you and I don't know about

spk_0 as well yeah and and they'll come up with them and everything just on a form perspective roe charmer

spk_0 in 2023 he may he averaged 52 at a strike rate of 117th

spk_0 outside of that he's been around those numbers at times he hasn't played that many odioz because

spk_0 no one plays that many odioz anymore but he averaged over 40 from eight in 2022 he averages were

spk_0 around 40 odd in 2024 and so far this year every time he's been at a strike rate of quicker than a

spk_0 runner ball if you get roe charmer averaging over 35 at more than a runner ball and the the role

spk_0 he's playing at the moment which is basically just trying to smash people's faces off at the

spk_0 start of the innings and you know it's roe charmer you probably keep that around right like he

spk_0 would have to have a pretty substantial drop off any the average or strike rate for you to go

spk_0 he's not going to be in the next world cup no I think he if he remains fit then I think he will be

spk_0 a part of the next world cup because like I said at the start of the pod that I think they're

spk_0 that templates for success in in odioe cricket is clear for them they know what works for them and

spk_0 they've been repeating that however roe charmer someone who's who's basically up the ante even in

spk_0 in in one day cricket and I think over the last three or four years he's played in a much quicker

spk_0 nip and I think that's been a transformation of sorts from him ideally how he scored all of his runs

spk_0 in odioe cricket was his first 50 took about 60 to 75 balls and then the next 50 took much lesser

spk_0 the next 50 took much lesser the next 50 took much lesser and then the next 50 took much lesser

spk_0 you know so so for him the shift in the way he he approaches one day cricket has changed

spk_0 and I think he's probably found a sweet spot with that there are times I do feel that he

spk_0 he doesn't need to be so aggressive but I think he was leading from the front and he

spk_0 wanted to do that but now perhaps he probably be a little bit more circumspect because as captain

spk_0 he would he it would have been that much difficult that much more difficult to drop a captain

spk_0 versus now as a player they've also said he both these players will be picked on merit so I think

spk_0 they will be a little bit more cautious be before being over aggressive yeah that would be

spk_0 interesting because you're right he gave himself license he wasn't going to get dropped and he wanted

spk_0 to show the whole team how he wanted to cricket play but also the way he was batting was

spk_0 winning a lot of odioe games earlier right like it was it was very effective and if he continues

spk_0 to average as I said over 35 to 40 striking at 120 or whatever he's going to destroy teams right so

spk_0 it's it's it's faster to see whether he goes back to that sort of old Rohit sort of anchor

spk_0 nudging it around and everything because I don't think that's what they need I think the way he was

spk_0 playing is the ideal way to go about it and and so I hope that he doesn't change that

spk_0 let's move on in the happy medium in between yeah chair I think he'll find a happy medium in between

spk_0 and there have been times that I felt like for example the the the World Cup final right in 2023

spk_0 you know when when he got out because the previous ball I think was a free eight and he hit

spk_0 it for four or six or whatever and then the next ball he he still try to take Maxwell down

spk_0 and then got caught by Travis head at that point I felt oh man I wish he didn't play that shot

spk_0 you know what I mean I wish he just kind of he already got a six in that in that in that in that

spk_0 over there was no need to get another one because it's 50 overs and you want a caliber of

spk_0 over which are not to bat for India for as long as possible because when when he bats 20 overs

spk_0 he's a match winner but wasn't he finishes the game like he he turns games on its head

spk_0 then that and that's the I get you but I think if you look at that period he was winning games in the

spk_0 first 20 hours and that was the and that's the thing you want him to bat those 20 overs right I don't

spk_0 care if he doesn't bat for a past 20 hours but you want him to bat 20 overs I don't know I think

spk_0 if because of the strength of the batting lineup if he's 50 of 35 it's very hard for you to win that

spk_0 game right so that's not even that's and he still would have been 50 of 25 because how much did he

spk_0 get in that in that final game you put it up on the chat because I'd love to know how much he got

spk_0 in that final he must have got final just live googling everyone yeah where's the scorecard

spk_0 uh he made 47 of 31 yeah exactly he was still got he was still got 50 of 35 both like so I suppose my

spk_0 my thing is though that like he's that that's his job he'd actually already done his job

spk_0 because I think what you think is you want him to go back to the other model no no no no I don't

spk_0 I don't I don't I don't I don't know sorry you want him to have the ability to go back to the other

spk_0 yeah no I want him to be able to use the ebb and flow because the value over which Irma in the

spk_0 course of an ODI game is so immense that you don't want to lose him especially when the wickets

spk_0 falling around him I think he's a second or third wicket that fell he wasn't the first wicket

spk_0 that fell because you don't win yeah you don't want to get it over yeah and they were 76 I just think

spk_0 he's 76 for two after 10 overs yeah he's already done his job for me and I would rather him do that

spk_0 because let's say let's say he hits that next ball for six off max well but that's the thing about

spk_0 big games right like think about it the big games is where where that added pressure is and you

spk_0 want your best players to be able to just bat like even have Rohit got yeah I think you know I

spk_0 think he's very differently yes he's like I'm looking at this from from the point of point of view

spk_0 of you know one is his not his role but his his effectiveness and his and his impact during the

spk_0 course of a game especially a one-day game the guy can turn a one-day game on its head right and

spk_0 I don't think he's a role player I think he's a game he's a match winner and for me yeah I think

spk_0 he did it in that space of playing a role yeah so I think though that what he what he did was

spk_0 is he went we have to break free of the anchor thinking we have to break free I didn't want to play

spk_0 anchor rules no no no but what I'm saying is so he the way do you remember Ben Stokes at the start

spk_0 of basketball it was nuts what he was doing right he didn't make any sense the way the Ben Stokes

spk_0 was batting it all but he was trying to show everyone that there was a freedom that he wanted

spk_0 everyone to play with and as you said before when you're the captain you can use that freedom in a

spk_0 different way right I think that Rohit probably got a little bit to into the cool lead of that

spk_0 situation and he's like I have to show everyone that I'm going to do that especially in a World Cup

spk_0 final because you don't want to be in position yeah well I go back to the Adelaide game in the T20

spk_0 World Cup semi final right where one of the reasons and me and the Indian cap that completely

spk_0 agree with this but oh some people in the Indian cap agree with this is that they got themselves

spk_0 into a headspace where they went oh we were going to come here and play it aggressively but the

spk_0 pitches are slightly different so let's go back to our normal method and it meant that when England

spk_0 could play in that style India couldn't catch them anymore and we all know that India have more

spk_0 actual batting talent than England right but they couldn't catch them because of that and I think

spk_0 Rohit was trying to play in that model all the way through in that period right and we still

spk_0 virat do it in the last T20 World Cup as well right up until the final exactly that's my whole point

spk_0 thank you for making my point thank you for making my point man that's exactly what I'm saying

spk_0 in a big game you need to know and Rohit knows this like it's not like he doesn't so that's why I said

spk_0 I wish he didn't try to hit another six after just hitting another six but just hitting a six

spk_0 you know so for me that it wouldn't have changed the call it wouldn't have changed the strike rate

spk_0 it wouldn't have changed his approach it is just about being just about being I would say

spk_0 just think your foot off the pedal just a touch before you go again especially when it's a when it's

spk_0 a bowl like that it's a part like when it's like Maxwell bowling like for me it's that stuff like in

spk_0 big games you want your best players to spend as much time in the middle as possible within their role

spk_0 like for me if he played within his role and played for 20 overs right just in that game if you

spk_0 play for 10 more overs in that in that he would have been a 70 ball 100 and he would have got not

spk_0 that would have been the difference in the game I suppose what you're doing here though

spk_0 it's let's have a look at those two innings this is fascinating right the Rohit innings and the

spk_0 Virat innings let's also take one more innings into this conversation let's take the the the

spk_0 2022 World Cup final innings from Ben Stokes in Australia where he scored a 50 ball 50 or something

spk_0 like 40 ball 45 ball 15 the final to get England over the line to win the 20 World Cup

spk_0 okay so let's have a look at those three innings for a minute the Virat Coli's innings

spk_0 if Hiner class and plays a misses at that ball from Hardy-Pandee or rather an edge in it

spk_0 would be seen as the innings that didn't get into your over the line right no not necessarily

spk_0 I would decide they would they would you they would have won that game they would have won that game

spk_0 and there would have been a big part of India that would have all would have gone on to sing that song

spk_0 but I'm telling you as a cricketer you want you want to have that kind of an innings I think

spk_0 I'll tell you I know what you're saying but you see what I'm saying is how many I can go through

spk_0 them with the enough I'll look at some of these here but oh there are plenty of times when

spk_0 Coli has got 50 60 70 in a t 20 game and his side has lost right in the first inning second

spk_0 innings is very different but first innings he does that quite regularly right the difference

spk_0 here is that India have this incredible end to that game and they sweep home right I get your

spk_0 point that you need the the double gears but I also understand the idea of it's very hard to beat

spk_0 these sides they were lucky in that situation that Hiner class and did get the edge at that point

spk_0 and so that allowed them to come home whereas you and I know if we replay that even with the

spk_0 boomerang side of it we replay that game a bunch of times South Africa still win that game and at that

spk_0 stage you might be and I'm not having to go you I'm just saying you as a general public here

spk_0 might be going well if you've got a bit harder right they would have put more pressure on South

spk_0 Africa and they would have got that the point is I don't think you can do what you're doing which is

spk_0 that when you look at one individual ball or one individual moment right and then go with that

spk_0 worked and this didn't work because there are situations where where row hit could have hit that

spk_0 ball for Maxwell for six Australia can't use Maxwell again their plans are in trouble now right

spk_0 and it and it completely changes the shape of that game and he goes on to make let's say 175

spk_0 right but that's the thing that would have been a bet and switch from someone like bad comments

spk_0 like I'm going to bowl him now best case scenario he he gets him out worst case scenario he gets

spk_0 hit for a few sixes I'm taking a punt here and and that's what that's what would have been his

spk_0 that's what would have been his calculation because what what other senses it make to bowl

spk_0 Maxwell in the first 10 overs of an ODI when India are going on a canter right they were

spk_0 they were before that they were 64 69 overs so they were doing really well so 70 no never

spk_0 see yeah yeah so they're doing really well it wasn't like they so obviously it was a punt

spk_0 taken by the the opposition captain so I'm not talking about that one situation I'm talking about

spk_0 many other situations where I felt Roach Sharma instead of going hard or any any good any like match

spk_0 winner instead of going hard could have ebbed that flow for just that you know he would have already

spk_0 gotten runs in that in that over ebbed that flow just a little bit I've seen this a bunch of times

spk_0 even in the IPL I'm like I love that he's going hard but if he could just pull it back just a

spk_0 notch half a notch for that matter yeah and then go back again well he's like he's like

spk_0 he's like years right yeah what you're really talking about is like a bdv is of ebredchens

spk_0 right yeah which is and I there's only ever been two of those in the history of right now I'm

spk_0 going to cook it yeah Lara probably comes from a slower base though yeah of course Lara had the

spk_0 switches he had the switches he probably stayed just below a gear yeah too too late so I I get what

spk_0 you're saying I don't even for a player as great as Roe here there are flaws within his white ball

spk_0 batting that we have seen at the franchise level and and everything else right and so I think that

spk_0 sometimes what we do with these players is we're like the problem here is he's not perfect right

spk_0 and he can't make the right decision every time he's made a decision so just to go back to the

spk_0 Ben Stokes one that you mentioned is really interesting before Ben Stokes in t20 cricket

spk_0 part of the reason he's not as destructive as a player is because he struggles to free himself

spk_0 into e20 cricket the way he does in test cricket right where he just suddenly let's go and hits all

spk_0 all these balls that is partly because he's a limited player so that innings that you talk about

spk_0 the mcgory beats Pakistan and wins that final he's actually exactly what you want Ben Stokes to do

spk_0 which is all he knows his job if I get a single every ball from here on in I'm going to get one

spk_0 full toss I'm going to get one half volley down the leg side I'm going to get one ball and he's

spk_0 we've seen him do it that it headingly we've seen him do that in the 2019 he's brilliant at that

spk_0 but he can't do some of the other stuff that those other players do because he doesn't have

spk_0 the the top level skill sets and I think that with with Roe here he's either very very good at playing

spk_0 the anchor role and then as you say gets to the last 30 balls of the innings and he suddenly just

spk_0 goes ballistic or he's very good at sort of top changing that and spinning it around and going

spk_0 very hard I don't know if he has the ability to do what you're saying which is the flick up flick

spk_0 down right that that would be perfect and that's why there aren't many players like this like we're

spk_0 looking for perfection in some of the like Roe here whereas I think what I'm saying is I would rather

spk_0 take the odd faith even if it's in a World Cup final because I think the way that Roe hit plays

spk_0 in 2023 World Cup helps him win 2024 World Cup right it's allowing them to do that and to fail

spk_0 and and to understand what he wants from the team actually eventually is going to win I think if they

spk_0 kept playing that same 2022 and 2021 style I don't think we'd be sitting here now saying that they've

spk_0 won three tournaments or four tournaments in the last you know three tournaments in the last

spk_0 little while they needed something to change and I'm willing to do this is me and you're a player

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spk_0 definitely not like a World Cup final is a World Cup final right yeah you put everything behind

spk_0 and that's why even a World Cup final even a 150 runs in a T20 game is a crucial one let's go back

spk_0 to Gotham Gumby's 74 not out in a World Cup final of 54 deliveries in 2007 that even that innings

spk_0 which is falling around him and he had no choice but to hold one end up and play the way he played

spk_0 granted Cricket was like not played as aggressively as as as played today and so it was considered

spk_0 a great innings at that point in time and I think it was a top innings for a final because that's

spk_0 why the best the best captains in the world always prefer batting first in a final because they

spk_0 understand how much pressure plays a part you set a score for any like any good captains as you set

spk_0 a score the team chasing that score down even if they get a good start a couple of Wicked's fall

spk_0 it's crazy the the kind of what is that the ripple effect it has on players who are coming down

spk_0 the Wicked the pressure that that mounts on them because there's something huge at stake and I've

spk_0 seen this happen at the IPL level take take the 2021 IPL for that matter we scored 190 csk

spk_0 against KCR they were 100 for no loss buddy 100 for no loss in 10 hours and they lost the game from

spk_0 there and we were we were the only team that year all of 2021 that batted first and won a game

spk_0 every other you know every other team chased on a score and what did that happen I think it was

spk_0 largely because of the fact that we got 190 because the average score that time was about 151 60

spk_0 but the second part was the pressure chasing down a score plays a huge part in a final and so

spk_0 that's why I'm okay with with high quality players match winners high quality match winners taking

spk_0 that extra time and batting through innings especially the batting first I get that what I'm

spk_0 saying here is that we you are this you are not talking about a normal cricket side at this point

spk_0 the end the MIT ball team whether it be ODI's or 220 okay you were talking about a team that can play

spk_0 a form of cricket that can dominate for eight to 12 years and you were also talking about a team

spk_0 that for eight years or nine years whatever it was at that point had underperformed right time and

spk_0 time again the underperformed and one of the reasons they had underformed is because they had geared

spk_0 down too quickly automatically all the time that's so many if you go through I've done the history of

spk_0 it you can go through all those games the amount of times that they just geared back and it happened

spk_0 in that 2023 World Cup final right after Rohe goes out the same thing happens they do that

spk_0 so I'm okay with a leader willing to sacrifice that for the greater good right because I think now

spk_0 they will win more trophies in the future than just that one they still probably would have thought

spk_0 you know and as I said it's not like he's trying to lose the game against Australia he is thinking

spk_0 a couple of hits here and what are they what's their what's their plan B now and that was a team

spk_0 that had come in with you know a very very like Australia came in with a very strict model in

spk_0 that game which eventually won but if Rohe breaks that model Australia didn't have you know you know

spk_0 the most well-rounded side to be able to come up with something else they didn't have old Mitchell

spk_0 Stark were you just like okay so if the team gets away we just give Mitchell start the ball the 38th

spk_0 over and he takes two wickets right like it was a different kind of side at that point anyway

spk_0 I think that's a fascinating conversation it is yeah how will Rohe handle not being captain

spk_0 I think basically I think he understands I think I think the con a conversation perhaps as

spk_0 like I said I think a conversation has been had with him I don't think it would have happened without

spk_0 that and I think he will like I said go back to focusing on making sure he performs his role to

spk_0 the best of his ability and maximize that role because right now he also has you know the

spk_0 dearth of of of match practice for that matter right so I think in it'll be interesting to see

spk_0 what kind of approach he takes to to ODI cricket right now what are the norms or the the standards

spk_0 that someone like a shubman gills sets for the ODI side what brand of cricket do they want to play

spk_0 and I think that role there'll be a slight adjustment there especially with you know with Rohe at

spk_0 the top with shubman because Virat will bat in number three so what happens there I think that's

spk_0 it also gives shubman the time to kind of get into that space and kind of find his find himself

spk_0 as far as captain is concerned of this format as well so be pretty interesting to see I'm looking

spk_0 forward to that Australia series man shubman gill is being fast tracked to be the old format captain

spk_0 I'm not so sure I I I get I get I get one day in ODI cricket sorry ODI in test cricket and I think

spk_0 he's a solid pick for test cricket and he's shown us any show us that as well as far as

spk_0 ODI cricket is concerned I still think he is his his numbers have been good but I think they

spk_0 they they will get better for a player of his caliber T20 can you get better than his numbers

spk_0 on is any average like 60 in one cricket yeah but I think I think they I think they will

spk_0 what's he gonna average it in your world 75 oh sorry wait what's his average in in ODI cricket

spk_0 59 yeah 59 so I think I suppose he can strike better you know what I mean that's that that

spk_0 that was what I was talking about yeah so I think they will look at Shrius Ayur as a captain

spk_0 in T20 I think shubman gill is vice captain at the moment so he is captain of one team captain

spk_0 of another and vice captain of the other that to me I I take these as signs of and shubman gill

spk_0 doesn't have to even me in the T20 side right they had other options that they could have gone

spk_0 that's the thing he still has to earn that spot but he but he you say yes to earn that spot he's

spk_0 been brought in as vice captain they made it they made the announcement they were really really

spk_0 clear so it feels like to me they have decided that he is already available for that spot so my

spk_0 question isn't so much let's just assume I'm right and they do want to make him all for

spk_0 our captain so Shrius Ayur I think it's a really interesting one in T20 cricket but right at the

spk_0 moment if they do want to make him all for my captain are you okay with the idea of shubman gill

spk_0 being all for my captain and it doesn't I feel a little bit forced when you don't need to do it

spk_0 yeah I think especially when you have the likes of your Shesvi Jess Val waiting in the wings

spk_0 a Sanju Samson spot been shifted Shrius Ayur not being a part of this side waiting in the wings as

spk_0 well you know it does feel like you know I wish his is his is his is his shake up went better for

spk_0 him for his sake because now Abhishek has run with that right he's run with the one open a slot

spk_0 now the second open a slot still very much open as far as I'm concerned I think

spk_0 your Shesvi can be someone who can come up there you know Sanju can certainly come up there

spk_0 and so I think he still needs to secure his spot first so I don't think it'll be

spk_0 taking for granted in a sense where he will be captain or he will be next in line no and we know

spk_0 and we've seen Indian cricket changes overnight like things change very very quickly narrative ship

spk_0 very no no no just so I don't think though you would make him vice captain if the plan wasn't for

spk_0 him to be captain because otherwise it's a it's a like honestly we have to see in the man

spk_0 captain scene in India means it means doesn't mean much no no no no I agree well it means more no one

spk_0 is more excited about vice captain city dear no one else even announces the ready for but what I

spk_0 mean is if you if if it was I don't know I'm trying to give another player in the squad if it was

spk_0 Abhishek Sharma right or or boomerah or cool deepyado that was named vice captain then I would say

spk_0 to you right it doesn't mean that much they just want to make sure that they understand the leadership

spk_0 group and they want to maybe put a little bit more pressure on that other player to perform or whatever

spk_0 that may be if you're making your test an ODI captain vice captain I think it does mean something

spk_0 especially when you have come into the side and you won't play you won't expect it to be in the squad

spk_0 suddenly you're in the side as vice captain I think it is a little bit different I think there is a

spk_0 hangover from them still thinking that they can make a normal format captain and I just think

spk_0 that's the wrong way to go about it no I don't think so I don't think that's the thinking I don't

spk_0 think that's the thinking I think that a vice captain scene in India like because you've seen a bunch

spk_0 of vice captain's not ending up becoming captains right did it what we should do with this podcast we

spk_0 should just like message the guys like message agit agarca just be like so we're having a

spk_0 discrepancy can you tell us how to fight this but I think it's fascinating you might be right

spk_0 I'm that's not the way I'm reading it I'm reading it as India won an all format captain and

spk_0 should be so close to being an all format captain that we can make it happen I just don't know like

spk_0 I understand there's a clean there's a there's a cleanness of having the same captain of all things

spk_0 because you know who the most important cricketer in the country is everything runs through them

spk_0 and it makes sense but I just think now there's there's so much cricket being played I don't know

spk_0 and he's also captain of a IPL franchise right yeah there's so much pressure on him to be able to

spk_0 plan ahead and like I've seen international captains have to do this of like like you tell them

spk_0 like what series do you play and it's like half for them to get their head around a t20 series when

spk_0 they've got a test series and a World Cup coming up before that right like it's just really really

spk_0 hard so I just find it interesting but I could be wrong it happened once before Robby anyone

spk_0 how much yeah only once I told someone that you're an attractive man and that was the type of

spk_0 I was wrong did you watch much of the test match no there was very little of the test match to be

spk_0 watched so West Indies bat for 44 overs in the first inning and they bat for 45 overs in the second

spk_0 hit it X so I suppose combined they made it to the second new ball if you want to look at it if

spk_0 you want to look at it from that point of view India obviously do very well KRL makes a hundred

spk_0 then Drew Derell and Jedajar we've seen that a lot happened with the sort of the lower order

spk_0 players making runs more so than the top order player over the last couple years be interesting

spk_0 to see if that holds up now that I think they'll change the wickets under new leadership and

spk_0 look at things differently here's my question for you though you're a proper cricket fan and you play

spk_0 with a lot of these guys and against a lot of these guys as well West Indian batting has been

spk_0 in a free fall I would say since about 1998 right 9998 my god yeah you are you're a hard

spk_0 band yeah because I'll tell you what what happened if you go back they were never so 950s now we

spk_0 got never going old school West Indies in the 1950s right has incredible batting depth the chat

spk_0 just left the room now the chat's gonna love this Conrad Hunt Rowan can I are not even famous names

spk_0 right and they were great bad as you got the three W's and you got so this so six incredible players

spk_0 in one in one side then you get to the great side in the 70s and 80s the band depth isn't quite as

spk_0 strong I think you usually have about four or five incredible players but you also have some you

spk_0 know guys like Larry goams and Gus Lugy very very good players but no one's thinking that they're

spk_0 great even even from even from a West Indian point of view let alone world the next generation is

spk_0 when Vivratized you have Lara you have Hooper you have Adams and you have Chandrupal and then just

spk_0 on that fringe I would say you have Sarwan and you have Gail right those guys Sarwan and Gail I kind

spk_0 of come through in the early 90s sorry late 90s right from that point of view Sid Sarwan or Gail

spk_0 when was the last time they had and obviously above average test batter for a long period of time

spk_0 the guys were talking about that actually made their runs I think Gail debuted in his 90s and

spk_0 a general pull definitely debuted in the 90s so those guys make runs for the next 15 or 16 years

spk_0 but there is no stage where there is other players coming through under that system who are better

spk_0 than a Craig breath weight right who's up who's done very well with a very limited game but he would

spk_0 be then maybe one of the next big players you could throw Hetmeier and Purrhen in but

spk_0 Hetmeier only briefly played Test cricket and Purrhen hasn't really right so that means for a very

spk_0 very long time I'm not just talking about stars here because I think I don't know how you think

spk_0 about talent I think about talent from the way of you cut there's going to be a period of time

spk_0 where you end up with like you know driver and Laksman and Saywag and and Tadokal all at the same time

spk_0 you can't always assume you're going to have four guys at that level you're going to maybe assume

spk_0 you might have one or or a bunch of guys want beneath that that STL level of talent comes and goes

spk_0 right but West Indies forget the Chandrupals right and the Lara's they're not recreating the

spk_0 Saoans or the Jimmy Adams right Jimmy Adams would be if Jimmy Adams would have played in the last

spk_0 10 years even for all the issues that Jimmy Adams had in his career he would have been the best

spk_0 batter by a mile in this time in this period in the last 10 years right by a distance Robbie by

spk_0 by such a long I'm out and they don't even they're not even making people who are almost

spk_0 discouraging me Adams anymore could that be because of a cultural thing because they they feel like

spk_0 crickets you found a better like for them cricket also the narrative around cricket changed and

spk_0 everything became more white Paul and the the the earning potential also grew in the in the white

spk_0 Paul format versus the red ball format and so all the youngsters coming up through the ranks

spk_0 understood that hey this is how because culturally it's a it's a very different country right it's a

spk_0 each each very different countries yeah very different countries each island is so different from

spk_0 each other so could it be I think could it be more a cultural thing than a well he actually if

spk_0 and and so I think that's a great question right but if that's the case we shouldn't be saying that

spk_0 from the late 90s onwards do you know what I mean that should be something that we only see from

spk_0 about 2014 2015 onwards and the fact that we start to see it in 2005 and 2008 right those players

spk_0 should still be coming through the system at that point that in gravel was a was a solid was I

spk_0 thought was could be could have been a solid desk figure it as well he's a very interesting player

spk_0 so yeah I mean some of it is professionalism right so why is Darren Bravo not become a test

spk_0 a consistent test player is because professionalism him fighting with the West in the

spk_0 mind and Samuels is one of those guys who also had the the capacity and he was is a fairly good

spk_0 test player as well he added decent I think he's got decent numbers as well I'm just thinking

spk_0 so my last time you'll play 71 test matches any averages 32 Darren Bravo plays 56 test matches

spk_0 and averages 36 so we're still looking at people that are sub Jimmy Adams right like that I know

spk_0 what do you mean Adams it Jimmy Adams well he had such a fall towards the end of his career but I

spk_0 would say he would have averaged about 38 39 does that sound right 41 41 right in it and he played

spk_0 in a tough era he actually made a lot of runs in the tough era when the pitch has got flatter he

spk_0 stopped making runs because he had all those other issues so Darren Ganga average plays 48 test

spk_0 matches at 25 you know wave or hines did wave or hines get you out once if we had this conversation

spk_0 before yes he did did the wait so I did I'm the only person who cares about his bully over the

spk_0 Robbie wave or hines 45 test matches averaging 33 show and Campbell 52 test matches averaging 52

spk_0 right he's really really good in this day man a lot of those guys come back we're not saying they

spk_0 can't back right what we are saying is that it's it's all well and good to go oh they haven't come

spk_0 up they haven't found another Lara or they haven't found another Chandruple or another Vivritiads

spk_0 or another solubus right that's fine the fact that they aren't finding other Jimmy Adams and Carl

spk_0 Hoopus I think is a much bigger question right the actual quality of their batting hasn't just

spk_0 decreased in one era it's decreased over 26 27 years but that's because cricket for them cricket

spk_0 for them I think changed when you think of okay test cricket fell off but the white ball cricket

spk_0 and t 20 cricket yeah actually do well for them they actually but that is but that's the

spk_0 Marlon Samuels Bravo era right you can argue that those two guys during their career maybe

spk_0 were affected by t 20 yeah correct so that's the thing right I think that's perhaps also why

spk_0 they're they're perhaps focus on on cricket move from the importance of cricket move from

spk_0 red ball to white ball cricket and more to t 20 cricket which is why I think we we saw

spk_0 Westonies have the kind of success that they had in in t 20 cricket 100% agree but it does

spk_0 also we're not but these guys before that Campbell the Heinz the Ganga the Powell all those guys

spk_0 weren't making test match runs already and that isn't t 20 cricket that's the period before t 20

spk_0 cricket right I think administration has to lay power I think local

spk_0 pitches have to play a part right yeah for sure I think that that that that for sure do you know

spk_0 much about Nikita Miller yeah did you have it did you face him or anything or do you do you remember

spk_0 him yeah I remember him I can't remember face him I probably faced him if I was to say to you what

spk_0 do you think his first class bowling average was oh must be must be really good left arm spinners

spk_0 good yeah left arm figure spinners 100 first class matches to play one test never took a

spk_0 wicket weirdly in his one test but played a hundred first class matches if you just a guess at his

spk_0 bowling average what do you think it would be in first class cricket 22 23 that is a perfectly

spk_0 reasonable guess his bowling average of 16.3 geez and how many wickets did he get he took 538

spk_0 wickets so we're not talking about someone who didn't bowl a lot we're talking about someone who

spk_0 bolt a lot you can argue why he didn't play a test match for it for the Westonies but that's

spk_0 a different conversation but my point being is if you've got a player who doesn't even go on to have

spk_0 a test career who takes 500 wickets at 16.5 or 16.3 right is there not an issue with the wickets

spk_0 and so it can't be that just there's a talent gap here I don't think West Indian players come

spk_0 into test cricket consistently make it runs in T20 cricket in one day cricket or in first class

spk_0 cricket and I think if you look at the wickets I think the wickets play a huge part so I think you're

spk_0 right I think the organizational structure of the West Indies is so broken and flawed and has so

spk_0 many issues that we could go on forever but I also think just on a very basic level of like if

spk_0 no one's making runs on any of these wickets when they get to the next level and they're facing

spk_0 test match bowlers why do we suddenly expect them to to break through and if they're averaging 25

spk_0 in first class cricket some of these guys are averaging like really low amounts even if you

spk_0 factor in the better pitches in test cricket they're not gonna average more than 32 are they

spk_0 I once made a pair in a club which is almost impossible to do but I've been obsessed with

spk_0 batting my entire life and so I put that into my new book the art of batting being that I'm not

spk_0 very good at that skill I decided to talk to other people who work so I hit up as many compactors

spk_0 I could just to talk about that role-driven brun Lara AB2V is Kira Sengikara, Rostela, Suzy

spk_0 Bates, Nasa Hussein, Enchappal and so many many many more I wanted batters to talk about how they

spk_0 and their friends made runs because that is the art of batting

spk_0 yeah yeah I think so I think I think it's a combination of a lot of things and also the you

spk_0 know I think it's also about the I think the financial side of it also has an implication right

spk_0 because because for them that's big right culturally it's it's also a very different country like

spk_0 I said earlier so I think a lot of these factors the combination a lot of these factors is why

spk_0 we haven't seen that caliber of Kira's coming through the ranks and definitely

spk_0 administration wickets have to be a big part of it because we probably have to go back and see how

spk_0 like I know for fact that in antiga and all that they used to put like road rollers on the pitches

spk_0 right like literally and and that's how those those wickets were hard man you know shiny

spk_0 they were shiny and quick they were skinny and didn't really bounce so you had to be really good

spk_0 to be able to play quick bowling even though it didn't do it didn't do much

spk_0 I look talk about the finances because you brought that up and I think that's really fascinating as

spk_0 well so the two periods of the West Indies dominate cricket are the obviously mid-70 or late 70s

spk_0 through to you know mid-90s and the t-20 reign right both of those times when they dominate

spk_0 cricket it's partly because their cricket has become professionals in other leaks so if you go

spk_0 back to the 70s it was all those West Indie and Cricketers were playing Club Cricket in England

spk_0 and then County Cricket right and then a lot of them then went and played in the Packer Cricket

spk_0 as well and so they were suddenly professionals when English Cricketers were only professionals

spk_0 for six months of the year Australian New Zealand Indian Cricketers were not professionals at all at

spk_0 that point so you had a version of professionalism that West Indies cricket had that no one else had

spk_0 at that point which I think is definitely worth talking about and then the next one is the t-20

spk_0 revolution which is the same thing again go back and there are players we've forgotten about like

spk_0 Dwayne Smith right who was just going from league to league to league and he you know Lendel Simmons

spk_0 and you know Marlon Samuels all those guys that had so much experience when the rest of you

spk_0 didn't because you would play in one league maybe a secondary league if you were lucky and in those

spk_0 days there weren't even that many leagues to play in right but the West Indians were hopping from

spk_0 league to league and I remember talking to Karen Pollard about this once and saying what

spk_0 you know what do you think the big advantage was he was like all we were thinking about was T-20

spk_0 cricket and so we were so far ahead of everyone else and then people start to catch up so I do think

spk_0 there's an element of that that we need to factor in but I don't think that fully explains the

spk_0 fact that Saoan is the last kind of the last surviving sort of regular batter of that level I mean

spk_0 maybe you could say Gaiok see played a little bit longer but obviously his career was had some

spk_0 issues as well but I think it's fascinating because I think what happens is people are like oh it's

spk_0 one thing so you know this myth about basketball kills cricket in the Caribbean I'm doing a big

spk_0 video on that you really like it but it's like everyone wants the one simple answer and I think we've

spk_0 just discussed here there's like four or five really really clear things and how good you've

spk_0 probably played within against some of these guys I think my I could have averaged 40 in test cricket

spk_0 he could have yeah yeah I can see what do you think of Puran I'm not sure about Puran as much

spk_0 Puran probably would have been yeah even him even so like him high 30s yeah high 30s close to 40s for

spk_0 sure yeah because that's that's that's that's that's what matters then no in the cricket yeah I was

spk_0 there but I think I saw you know I think we're done really well in test cricket unpopular opinion

spk_0 perhaps is is Sunil Narayan as a batter as a batter you say I'm popular opinion like anyone has

spk_0 ever said that opinion before the history of mankind that that's not an unpopular opinion you've

spk_0 invented a new thought we're being unpopular one is what I'm saying it's going to be a very

spk_0 I can be so I just gave him his his his game is so like gear one and gear five right yeah it's probably

spk_0 what what's he like he's probably like a remember Graham Swan yeah a bit like a Graham Swan we're

spk_0 like if Grant if Swan got on a roll he would just score like 20 or 30 really quickly and there was

spk_0 and there but because he was basically slogging for some of it you didn't know where to put the field

spk_0 right like maybe Vernon for Landon that kind of why are you as well I'd say I'd say some again I get

spk_0 taken to the cleaners for this like Risha Punt Risha Punt's very gear one gear five right in

spk_0 desk cricket yeah you know and which is why I think he's not been able to figure out his T20 game

spk_0 because he he's so successful that gear one gear five kind of template that works so that's

spk_0 so works so well for him people don't know what kind of field to put for him in desk cricket which

spk_0 is why I think he becomes so successful he's he's gotten so successful in desk cricket and it's

spk_0 done so well because he does the most unpredictable stuff right you you anticipate him to go go after

spk_0 you but the guy just blocks you around and then suddenly takes you for a four then blocks you run

spk_0 takes you for another six or he comes into the and you come in and you think the next thing is you

spk_0 think okay he's gonna take his time first ball step out straight down the ground six you know I think

spk_0 Sunil and Ryan will be in that kind of a player he's he's also in T20 cricket very like you know

spk_0 block or go right he's not in but like there's no running between none of that no no I think that's

spk_0 fascinating also I think I think that what you've just talked about then is I know we kind of

spk_0 talk about but I think that's something we should talk about more because I think Risha Punt and

spk_0 Ben Stokes part of the reasons they're both limited in some ways is because they they don't have

spk_0 that ability to gear up gear down naturally so I like the idea of a gear one gear five player um

spk_0 just just on this as well I saw a young one draw Russell play uh he would have been a fantastic

spk_0 test player if that's what is knees yeah for sure I think yeah oh yeah I'm talking when he was young

spk_0 and lies before he became the the T20 beast yeah because he was bowling at 92 93 miles an hour

spk_0 and I he played a bunch of eight cricket in England I saw him playing I was like this guy's gonna be

spk_0 the next sensation in test cricket yeah unfortunately when a different direction how much of the

spk_0 young women's world cup have you been watching Robby I watched the India Pakistan game yesterday

spk_0 isn't it good to watch Pakistan play and you know before and you're just gonna see dot balls boundaries

spk_0 or wickets yeah doesn't matter it doesn't matter the gender like at this stage I'm pretty sure if

spk_0 you were I went and watched disability cricket and it was Pakistan team it would be the same template

spk_0 it would be dot balls it would be all boundaries would be wickets they have no other method of

spk_0 batting no matter what Pakistan cricket is yeah it's really interesting on that I've been looking

spk_0 at this as well that this tournament so far has been quite fascinating from a perspective of

spk_0 I think you're seeing a lot of T20 batting in one day cricket so to get back to your row hit

spk_0 argument from before it's something but obviously women's cricket is structured differently

spk_0 because the circle is a little bit smaller and you've got the extra fielder up all the time

spk_0 and I think it's quite risky to hit the ball in the air because you're always a chance of a

spk_0 miss hit and being caught in the circle in women's cricket but because they're so T20 coded the players

spk_0 they're almost playing that style naturally anyway yeah so I think it's a very very fascinating

spk_0 thing to watch it happen sort of in real time and you understand that that's that's the direction

spk_0 that they're going with but yeah I that's the thing that I've noticed is that the attacking the

spk_0 other thing I've noticed Robbie is that I'm gonna ask you this is a personal preference and I don't

spk_0 want you to throw any of your friends under the bus here do you enjoy left arm fingerspin to watch

spk_0 it to watch it yeah yeah sure not individual ballers but as a general principle like if you're

spk_0 ranking the ball as you want to watch the most in cricket to the least most right so let's say leg

spk_0 spin or left arm wrist spin or left arm fast ballers at the top right I'm not saying that 100

spk_0 percent where would left arm think where would left arm fingerspin me lower lower down above off spin

spk_0 below off spin below off spin so you've basically put it last off spin still got a risk factor to

spk_0 do it as that I prefer left arm spin yeah left arm spin to left handers would be as good as

spk_0 off spin I probably put off spin and left arm spin and the same on the same line because it depends

spk_0 on who you're bowling to if you're bowling to a yeah it's no actually maybe you're right you

spk_0 right man so it's the least enjoyable form of ballie to watch I'm sorry to all the left arm

spk_0 fingers bitters out there but it is that's not to say that Ben Kader from your dog Ben Kader Raju

spk_0 or a rat right yeah no that's this is how my brain works my point being the women's cricket has an

spk_0 awful lot of left arm fingerspin property and there's two reasons for that one is they have more

spk_0 fingerspin than then men's cricket right that's so that's let's just put that there part of that

spk_0 reason is they can bolt the death fingerspin in in so you can stretch you out you can have more

spk_0 fingerspin is in the game but the other reason is is they have more right handers in women's

spk_0 cricket than they do in men's cricket and I think the selectors have worked that out and I just

spk_0 wear every time I turn on this women's world cup I'm watching a left arm finger spinner and some of

spk_0 them are great don't get me wrong some of them are enjoyable I like that I left out spin I was

spk_0 bowling like left but just bring the ball back in or like she's like a killer son right yeah I

spk_0 just coming every ball is like like in the air it's slow but bitches and comes back in like an

spk_0 off spinner man yeah it's good I like that as well and she's also very good at just changing her

spk_0 pace a little bit and she does have a slightly quicker ball I think it's fascinating but my point

spk_0 being is if you kind of have to like when it comes to when it comes to women's cricket in general

spk_0 you kind of have to like the brand of the cricket because it is so different to men and I think

spk_0 it's a fascinating one to understand how it's developing differently to men's even now so the

spk_0 women's cricket is moving so I think in the last world cup there was almost no left arm

spk_0 seam is bowling in that last world cup and now it's almost at the same rate as men right and so

spk_0 you're seeing left handers come into the sport through the bowling but you're not seeing them come

spk_0 in through the batting it's just a you know it's a fast as we watch women become professional in

spk_0 the last world eight six to eight years you're suddenly getting these different kinds of athletes

spk_0 come into the game and everything so it's a very fast and anyone but if you don't like

spk_0 fingerspin women's cricket is at very different watch than men's cricket just because of that one

spk_0 big change yeah it's a very different watch actually mentored a a woman's team in the without

spk_0 a burp primarily without a burp t 20 t 20 league and it was fascinating I was my first time mentoring

spk_0 a women's team and they play with a lot of emotion a lot of passion and just the way the play

spk_0 cricket is very very different the way the approach is very very different um and the the field

spk_0 the field the the rules of the game are quite different it's a 25 yard so in a circle it's 4.3 meters

spk_0 closer in yes and 25 people always yeah and you you would know this is a cricketer especially a power

spk_0 play guy if you have someone four meters in from the rope it's a from the circle I should say it's

spk_0 very different than being on the back end of that circle isn't it yeah and and and also is I think

spk_0 the maximums like a 50 55 yard boundary line if I'm not wrong I think yeah I don't know what the exact

spk_0 mass mass that the boundary lines are but you're right and they have an extra field are in the extra

spk_0 field are in yeah so that is quite fascinating actually oh and then so your your strategies change

spk_0 quite a bit um even you're given given that they also try to make it I think the the powers that

spk_0 be a mate try to make it a little bit more interesting for the viewer and I think that's why

spk_0 that extra field are in but yeah isn't it has gotten better I think it will get better I've seen

spk_0 some good left arm fast pullers in left arm medium paces in in in with urban and some good like some

spk_0 really good like very clean action and all of that it's like very nice to see and their parents are

spk_0 very supportive which is just so so hardening to watch especially in India it's not it's not easy

spk_0 for to get a woman to pursue spot as a career but they still encourage you which is amazing it's

spk_0 I think it's one thing that we forget is that you know it's only really recently that

spk_0 men have been encouraged in certain parts of the cricket world to be professional athletes right

spk_0 like this is this is I remember man growing up yeah I remember growing up when I turn 16 17

spk_0 when I turn 16 I remember passing out of school the number of high quality cricketers

spk_0 couple of them a few of them year or two senior than me and guys my age who just give up the

spk_0 spot altogether who could have like some really genuinely good opening batters I've seen given

spk_0 up the game some genuinely good all-rounders I've seen given up the game we can bat in bowl like

spk_0 like a like just like equally talented both batting and bowling just giving up the game

spk_0 because it was not a career option when you were growing up it was just a

spk_0 that's so different like you and I I know I'm a bit older than you but we're a similar generation

spk_0 yeah whereas the kids I grew up with I had I would say there was about 10 to 15 kids who were

spk_0 pushed by their parents to become professional athletes right like and some of them made it and

spk_0 you know one of my friends is like a basketball writer now and a couple of those guys I grew up with

spk_0 went on to play professional football as well right I didn't we didn't have any cricketers we had

spk_0 the Australian team physio was at one of our local kids but he didn't quite make it as a cricketer

spk_0 himself but a very good player but that was people were pushed like I know of kids who were told by

spk_0 their parents like you you know if you're going to do this I'm going to push you the same way I would

spk_0 if we were pushing you for your studies right like if that's what you're going to do because that's

spk_0 the the job that you are looking towards and so as you said in your generation that is still just

spk_0 coming through maybe the five ten years after you the IPL changes things a little bit T20 franchise

spk_0 nobody saw IPL IPL coming so nobody saw T20 cricket coming through the way it did right the only way

spk_0 could have made money in India by pushing a career in sport or at least a career in cricket was

spk_0 to play international cricket so and then you've got to be in the top 15 players in the country right

spk_0 you know that's I remember I remember when franchise cricket came around you even saw a change

spk_0 within Australian professionalism in that a lot of the kids who were good at multiple sports before

spk_0 would never pick cricket because again you could make a lot of money playing cricket but you had to

spk_0 be in the best 10 or 15 players yeah so maybe if you were like Ricky Ponding and everyone was saying

spk_0 you were definitely going to do it whereas a lot of kids like Mitchell Johnson would generally have

spk_0 picked their secondary sport right you know or not their secondary but another sport yeah

spk_0 Mitch Marsh was someone who was offered a professional contract in two different sports at the same time

spk_0 right so you know they had that ability to be able to do that and then and they started to pick cricket

spk_0 and so you think about women's cricket we're talking about the last six years yeah right so I'm

spk_0 I think he's evolving quite quite and so fast yeah very very fast a very quick nip and I think we

spk_0 will continue to see it evolve and I think I love the fact that they've made it so conducive for

spk_0 women to have this as a as a career option in their legs yeah fascinating well we'll talk more

spk_0 about the women's world cup I think at the moment New Zealand are playing South Africa there are

spk_0 123 I don't mind New Zealand I think they bottled the game against Australia I think they had them on

spk_0 the ropes are you the thing with Australia it's a bit like that old England side you know the 2015

spk_0 2019 England side you have to break them you can't let them stay in the game because one of them

spk_0 eventually he's going to smash you everywhere um let's let's do some super chats and then

spk_0 finish let's let us super chat Abbalash says what caused Robert Sharma's fitness issues healthy

spk_0 issues just age or slow down reflexes us because I think just lack of time do I think just I think a

spk_0 genuine lack of time to be able to focus on fitness and and being a captain of an Indian team is

spk_0 is a highly stressful job so I think just a lack of time to be able to invest into fitness because

spk_0 for you to be able to do that and we've seen like right now he's been off for the last three months

spk_0 and you've seen in the last month and a half he's lost about 10 kilos already so he's had that

spk_0 time the window of time to get a break from the game and invest time into actually fitness because

spk_0 it it's not easy to maintain fitness especially is especially when you're going from tournament

spk_0 to tournaments and it's and it's under immense amount of stress right and no wonder captains like

spk_0 you look at all the Indian captains from Roe Sharma to Virat Kohli to MS Dhoni all of them kind of

spk_0 aged prematurely simply because of how stressful the job is um always just uh on on this topic one

spk_0 of my favorite things at sports is fit picks of players uh when they get a chance to actually go

spk_0 and do the fitness and it's a big thing I absolutely love it um all right I love mutton

spk_0 Berryani says bit on fair and roe here but okay looking at World Cup 27 if not World Cup Roe it should

spk_0 play one last ODI in India and give a good farewell um I love much but I need to do by the way well

spk_0 that's a very good take to have compared to your um Sun on a Rhyme would have averaged 50 in

spk_0 I never said 50 I just said I think it would have done really well in desk cricket as a batter

spk_0 ass I'm yeah what do you think if they do realize that these guys are going out are they going to give

spk_0 them one big home game at the end one can only hope so uh never seldom does it happen in cricket where

spk_0 the grades get a good send off um and don't think the players are also perhaps reached a point where

spk_0 they don't expect it right now um you know and also because I think the multiple reasons for it but

spk_0 I think they would not all players like it either by the way some players just like retire and

spk_0 disappear and you know don't do what they want I mean no you know what I mean I've heard of

spk_0 players being offered that before and just be like if you don't think I'm good enough to be in the

spk_0 side I don't want to be I don't I don't want it uh you know a pity match yeah but uh yeah fair enough

spk_0 and I think that's fine but I don't think you know it should be um it should be it would be the

spk_0 case with Rowe in that in that in that sense I actually think Rowe will go on to play the 2027 World Cup

spk_0 I actually genuinely believe that I think he he and he and uh Shrooman will open the batting there um

spk_0 and I think the guys like Yashavsvi you know all that will have to kind of bite his time and

spk_0 and and keep guys like you have you watched Vibhav Suryvanshi batting in in uh in Australia dude

spk_0 like he would be giving everyone a run for their money yeah no no I mean that's the big thing is

spk_0 I don't think it's the talent with Rowe here it's just whether they just think they're a better

spk_0 options at one point which they might um oh I'm beating it up and bushes stop beating around the

spk_0 bushes Rob you know how BCCI works it's over for uh uh uh Rowe here um coley uh Gautam Gambiel

spk_0 wants KL and Juswell opening and guild to play at number three and pant and number five

spk_0 now I think that uh honestly if that was the case I think they would have just moved them on now

spk_0 yeah this is the time to move them on now is the best time to do it Shiv they just won an Asia Cup

spk_0 without them this is if you were going to get rid of him Sivai you would have done it now

spk_0 yeah 100% buddy and so I don't think it's it's that very good Robin Barry from London hope you

spk_0 remember mate best wishes to you and the family I enjoy this podcast if you have got friends messaging

spk_0 you on the show they are paying you money so shut up and these things out I did read you

spk_0 path says is Robin naturally right handed if not would he consider telling he's young

spk_0 a hundred percent I was actually I was actually ambidextrous I could backboard left

spk_0 with I can play golf left handed by the way I really yeah I can actually play golf left

spk_0 hand it I've tried playing battle left handed as well I I reckon I can develop it and I if

spk_0 someone had told me when I was young I would have a hundred percent given that a shot

spk_0 hundred percent so I tried to teach myself out about left hand when I was about 10 or 11

spk_0 and technically I was much better left handed than I was right handed but because I'm a slugger

spk_0 I couldn't hit boundaries and I was like well what's the point of this like I just want to hit

spk_0 boundaries right like you didn't make any sense to me I actually try to make my son left handed

spk_0 like I try like I forced him to like you know battle left handed try try try try if you ever pick

spk_0 up the spot but then I think then he was properly daydhanded so you know all three of my children

spk_0 bat left handed and cricket oh that's amazing and I did that I'm I forced them you forced them

spk_0 completely forced yeah but I I stuffed up with the second child because it turned out he was

spk_0 left handed and now I wish he better right hand but it's too late now and he's so so bottom hand

spk_0 dependent but no I get daddy does they do all the people he loves this is what he does yeah I

spk_0 experiment on yeah experiment yeah no because I think we stand on the wrong side of the bat I think

spk_0 what we think is right handed so what is right handed in baseball I don't think is right handed in

spk_0 cricket so what is right handed golf I don't really want to do it in cricket yeah my my stronger hands

spk_0 my left hand so my top hands my top hands much stronger than my bottom head which is I so I think

spk_0 that's what you should have in cricket so that's why I did it I wasn't an experiment as much as I

spk_0 just believed that that was the case but you know also I've looked at the stats of women's cricket

spk_0 and there aren't a lot of left handers so I know claims only five but you know if they need a left

spk_0 hander and 10 to 12 years time I've got I've got to set up if she's needed I've got one from walking

spk_0 alive here thank you very much but I can't see the question so it might be further down

spk_0 I'm have says why is Robbie digging up oh go for good but I hope that I will do walk your

spk_0 lives agree with Jared here Roe it doesn't have the flick up and down thing in his game same way his

spk_0 test form went down the drain to his attacking approach that's quite interesting actually I hadn't

spk_0 thought about test cricket as well thank you very much for your life and I have an

spk_0 I've said why is Robbie digging up old trauma oh sorry I didn't race the 2023 woke up from my mind

spk_0 I apologize he's always doing that I did see I did see I'm gonna make these things bigger so I

spk_0 can read some of them how are you guys get you in question do you read amateur as cricket

spk_0 bugs my fans not experts I read kind of everything I did see I think everyone would know that I've

spk_0 I've I quite often I don't even really sometimes I'll have someone on a podcast because they've

spk_0 written a really good piece that I found and I'll find out later it's the only piece I've ever

spk_0 written and they've never done a podcast before and this poor person's crapping themselves as I'm

spk_0 like to tell me the third paragraph you did this right um it's for me it doesn't matter who the

spk_0 person is it's what I'm looking for and I started as an amateur blogger I actually need a bunch of

spk_0 stuff on read it actually I actually quite enjoy it because the team read it look at this yeah I

spk_0 did eat a bunch of stuff on reddit and you mean the cricket reddit yeah yeah I think that's

spk_0 I think reddit cricket is a very good area I think the fans are really smart I think they I like

spk_0 the way that they follow the game I I struggle on their match logs because they message so much and I

spk_0 like coming halfway through and I'm like I don't know what you're saying but I like some of the research

spk_0 and some of the conversations yeah the research that's the point of views are quite a quite you think

spk_0 actually and I would say the other place at the moment that is really fascinating if you'd like

spk_0 cricket writing is sub stack so many people are coming on to sub stack with you know varying

spk_0 different ideas writing some really good um stuff there's some really good New Zealand content

spk_0 suddenly on sub stack where you can't read about New Zealand or Crick Buzz or Crick info anymore

spk_0 so I think sub stack is another place worth having a look at as well at the moment uh who we

spk_0 doing oh how are you guys oh very very well we're genuinely good yeah there is again

spk_0 Abishek says not sure if I missed you saying it but Agarca said number four spinners for

spk_0 no four spinners for ODI then picks four for T20 make it make sense

spk_0 well they're two different formats aren't they yeah Abishek I think I think we probably had a

spk_0 chat about this during the champion trophy of they probably over index slightly on spinners

spk_0 it's also because quality is a joke right and so also you're looking at exactly you're also looking at

spk_0 as as just spinners but Abishek they were actually all rounders there right like

spk_0 Aksar is an out and out all rounder there so if you look at spinners uh who are we looking at

spk_0 we're looking at what we're looking at uh washi was there but washi is all rounder considered all

spk_0 rounder there's uh Aksar all rounder um we had um and then the two specials yeah and two

spk_0 specialists so yeah so it's they're all rounders Abishek I think that's you and they the utility

spk_0 comes in and I think they're the proper all rounders so and the tournament was in Asia so I think

spk_0 if you're playing in Asia that makes a hundred percent of sense but you would have to change things

spk_0 in in different places yeah over a different one uh Abishek's death of Westin is batting also

spk_0 coincides with the decline in county cricket another question is oh yeah they don't play as much

spk_0 counter cricket being uh the the Westinian players and I would take it a step further there was a

spk_0 period of time as I said up until basically 2010 whereas if you were a Westinian player and you

spk_0 weren't a star player in the national team you probably play club cricket every week in

spk_0 England as a finishing school right and high level club cricket right we're talking about

spk_0 gaffer's overs and basil dolevere yeah you know like what proper club cricket right yeah and that

spk_0 I think also um uh you know hasn't changed yeah another question yeah another

spk_0 other video observation man good stuff dude well done yeah no no really good uh another question

spk_0 is to like ready for all formats yeah I think so he is okay interesting yeah I like that

spk_0 is this the first episode with JK didn't have tech issues well we haven't finished the episode yet let's not

spk_0 I did have tech issues before I started I couldn't get the camera to work um thanks for that uh

spk_0 Ruxia uh Abin Ab says young hunter Russell wanted to be a test cricket I he did as I said before

spk_0 I saw him play yeah and this is he's been going busted years later but at that stage

spk_0 he was a fan he was a brilliant number seven and he obviously can whack it and would

spk_0 cause some carnage maybe doesn't average 30 but maybe average is 28 with like a strike rate

spk_0 of 120 but was a genuine frontline test baller at that yeah yeah I was I would I would

spk_0 say he was a much better baller when he was young and a much better batter when he was older yeah

spk_0 he was a better baller than a battered back then I saw him says the G in entrance exam culture

spk_0 kill sport hit explain this to me I don't know about this I like this so G is an intensive kind of

spk_0 you know career option leads to a career option here and some examination and so it does

spk_0 like the number of iitn's and I am a graduates who are deeply passionate cricket fans right we know

spk_0 you know i was going to say lucky our friend first umpire deep back like like deep up you know uh

spk_0 you know who's who's who's primary passion in life is cricket but had to pursue

spk_0 pursue education for for whatever reasons right um and it does and it had because then again

spk_0 back then it wasn't the proper career option you know back in early 2000s made 2000s it wasn't a

spk_0 was very hard and it's only like I think only past 2012 maybe 14 15 it started becoming a proper

spk_0 career option you had parents forcing kids to sub-blank cricket and the parents are livid

spk_0 curiously through the kids I think it was a tournament about years in India and oh my god

spk_0 our in law I was at our in law's academy and he was saying that beforehand it was like we want our

spk_0 kids to be good at cricket and maybe they'll play for India and then something he was like

spk_0 everyone wants to play in the IPL and everyone thinks that nobody wants to play for him maybe

spk_0 yeah it's a boy and it was but but also it was so it was he was just like the numbers have just

spk_0 gone through the roof because before people were pulling their kids out of cricket so they could

spk_0 do more education now they're pushing them into cricket because there might be more money in that

spk_0 and yeah look when it comes down to it everything we talked about the West Indies

spk_0 we talked about this we talked about women's cricket when it comes down to it money is the thing

spk_0 that shape travel you think yeah and I'll tell you what today uh I'll tell you what today when you look

spk_0 at um uh I've seen I deal with a lot of parents nowadays who are forcing their kids to play cricket

spk_0 and a lot of them want to play only in the IPL they don't really care about playing for India

spk_0 but the ones who start who start with that intention end up not even playing in the IPL but the ones

spk_0 who start with the intention of say hey I want to play for India at the highest level the way they

spk_0 play the way they prepare and the way they navigate through the courses of getting there and the mindset

spk_0 completely shifts so they end up at least playing the IPL

spk_0 no I think that that makes a lot of sense. Sivir says why did you stop making videos with Ashwin?

spk_0 Have you stopped making videos with Ashwin? No I know I haven't as in Ashwin I invited me to do

spk_0 a bunch of videos with him and I did back then and Ashwin hasn't invited me back I would love to do

spk_0 videos with Ashwin Ashwin as well um so I'm also ready to do videos with Ashwin. Yes we're always

spk_0 available to do anything about talking about cricket we're always available.

spk_0 Kaya says I loved your evolution of batting episode it was very intriguing big fan of your

spk_0 character I hope to see more similar episodes. Yeah we did that a while ago and I had this list of

spk_0 all the different evolution videos I wanted to do and I haven't really got back to them we've got

spk_0 such a backlog of content that doesn't even make any more content. If Jared makes any more content

spk_0 there will be repercussions for him. I think if anything I'm not making enough.

spk_0 I've passed says I noticed Abhishek Sharma holds the bat hand a little bit higher I did it too

spk_0 does it really work for technical reasons or is it just a placebo? So I'm Gilchrist did it as well

spk_0 didn't it? Yeah there are the ones who hold it at the top at the top of the handle basically get

spk_0 longer levers so when they hit a ball it stays hit so where did you hold? Red ball cricket right

spk_0 at the bottom so that I had a lot more control and white ball cricket more towards the top I'm sorry

spk_0 more towards the middle to the top so in the start I always try to white ball cricket like in the

spk_0 middle but as the ending is progressed it went more to the top. So I always try to move my hands further

spk_0 down especially after I saw Gilchrist play and I could never do it like I should say move them up

spk_0 my hands is naturally go further down the longer you know the bat and I've never been able to

spk_0 sort of train myself how to do I'm there is my son holds it he's got that you know that

spk_0 faster placey one where you have your hands separated choppy you know up and down KL Rouse

spk_0 gone to that for some reason in between he went to that and I think he's still with that

spk_0 gives you a lot of leverage square of the wicket so you can pick up balls and gives you a lot of

spk_0 little room square of the wicket but limits you down the ground because if you're trying to hit down

spk_0 the ground in the hands separate so the the front the the bottom hand pushes in front of the top hand

spk_0 it kind of goes up so you get really good square of the wicket that's the technical stuff but as you

spk_0 would know I just don't like things that don't look pretty on a cricket field and so for me it's just

spk_0 it's like when he used to run in a ball like Sam Karran and I literally put things in front of

spk_0 the crease so he had to jump them I was like no no no ballers have a jump none of this running

spk_0 through the crease nonsense I'm not I'm not coming to all your kids games and watching you ball like

spk_0 Sam Karran that's not for me that's me for me and Robbie we'll be back again next week with more

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