OpenAI Backtracks, Elon's Netflix Boycott, and Instagram Safety Features

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spk_0 This week on version history, the Verge's new chat show about old technology, we are

spk_0 talking about a gadget that burned bright.

spk_0 And I mean that literally back in 2015.

spk_0 We're talking about hoverboards, those things that went from basically obscurity to the

spk_0 absolute center of culture.

spk_0 Justin Bieber was writing one on Instagram and then flamed out spectacularly.

spk_0 All in, I bet less time than you think.

spk_0 We sell the full story of hoverboards and then wonder where they might be now and where

spk_0 they might go next.

spk_0 On version history, which you can find on YouTube or on your podcast app.

spk_0 We're not nearly as good looking.

spk_0 We don't have nearly as good a makeup.

spk_0 The stats aren't as good, fine.

spk_0 We are as good looking.

spk_0 Hi everyone, this is Pivot from New York Magazine in the Vox Media Podcast Network.

spk_0 I'm Cara Swisher.

spk_0 And I'm Scott Galloway.

spk_0 How are you doing today, Scott?

spk_0 I'm good, I got a little bit of the X-bar hangover.

spk_0 Did it's any last night?

spk_0 4 a.m. couldn't sleep.

spk_0 What?

spk_0 Are you having trouble sleeping when you're all I'm getting?

spk_0 I am.

spk_0 I wake up at 4.18 every night.

spk_0 I'm turning into those people that just like a ghost walk around the house.

spk_0 Oh, I don't walk.

spk_0 It's such a good sleeper.

spk_0 Yeah, you're supposed to do that.

spk_0 You're supposed to get up and walk around to see, you know, not try to go to sleep lying

spk_0 there.

spk_0 I've been watching, you know what?

spk_0 I'll watch anything with my favorite actor, Hitler.

spk_0 I just, I've been World War II and I watch the Battle of the Bulge in Color.

spk_0 You know, I mean, I'm obsessed with World War II.

spk_0 I'm officially 100 years old.

spk_0 Not Rome, I usually men are Rome, but Rome or Hitler usually seems to be the things.

spk_0 Men of your age like to watch.

spk_0 No, no, no, no.

spk_0 No, no.

spk_0 Ron Shesme when I did this weekend.

spk_0 Oh, sorry.

spk_0 What'd you do this weekend?

spk_0 I had a mermaid party.

spk_0 Oh, yeah.

spk_0 So that obviously was for lucky, not for one of your kids.

spk_0 No, it was for Claire.

spk_0 And it was like, so it was so interesting because all the girls showed up in mermaid outfits,

spk_0 every single one of them.

spk_0 And they were fantastic.

spk_0 Let me just say versions of Mermaids, all kinds of spangles and this and that.

spk_0 All the guys, all the boys, we were, many showed up in superhero costumes.

spk_0 Interesting.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 If anyone wants to believe gender's not a thing, just have a party and invite boys and girls

spk_0 over and see what they do.

spk_0 Put a room full of dolls and cars and see what happens.

spk_0 Yeah, it was interesting.

spk_0 It was interesting.

spk_0 They looked fantastic.

spk_0 Sarah had a great time.

spk_0 We had a treasure hunt.

spk_0 Amanda baked the cake.

spk_0 It was beautiful and delicious.

spk_0 And it was fun.

spk_0 It was good.

spk_0 I cleaned the yard with my power washer.

spk_0 That was fun for me.

spk_0 That's a flag.

spk_0 We really have gender.

spk_0 Speaking of gender.

spk_0 That's a flex.

spk_0 She liked the cake and you did the power wash.

spk_0 So if it's a really difficult parking spot, you handle it.

spk_0 Is that what you're saying?

spk_0 Yes, that's correct.

spk_0 That's what's going on.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 In fact, I get handed like this morning, so I'll handed me one.

spk_0 Every time he has something broken or needs a battery, he hands it to me.

spk_0 Mama will fix it.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 We are in a gender role.

spk_0 I hate to say it.

spk_0 Put it straight.

spk_0 The best alliance in history is the alliance between masculine and feminine energy.

spk_0 I guess.

spk_0 So is there a specific mermaid piece of IP?

spk_0 What is it?

spk_0 Oh, yeah.

spk_0 Little mermaid.

spk_0 They love the little mix.

spk_0 Well, they love to listen.

spk_0 Everyone likes K-pop demon hunters still.

spk_0 This is like a crazy trend happening, but among boys and girls, by the way.

spk_0 But mermaid, little mermaid.

spk_0 That's the Disney mermaid.

spk_0 My favorite kind of mermaid IP is Bill Belichex.

spk_0 Instagram of his 22 year old mermaid.

spk_0 I love the thought.

spk_0 I love that they planned that.

spk_0 They thought this will be a big hit.

spk_0 This is a really good idea.

spk_0 Have you seen that Instagram of them?

spk_0 Yes.

spk_0 Oh, my God.

spk_0 I know.

spk_0 I'm so here for it.

spk_0 Are you?

spk_0 Is that going to be you someday?

spk_0 Do not have your best friends.

spk_0 I let's hope so.

spk_0 I need to get much richer.

spk_0 Why do you think I'm doing this?

spk_0 You get value that lady of yours.

spk_0 She is the same.

spk_0 I should do the same.

spk_0 But let me just say, your lady is fantastic.

spk_0 My lady.

spk_0 As Robert referenced, that one is accepting a lifetime.

spk_0 And my lady friend.

spk_0 I'm like, my lady friend.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 My lady friend.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 I often call men ladies.

spk_0 I go, hey, ladies, let's go.

spk_0 It ignores them.

spk_0 And yet they never object.

spk_0 It was just interesting.

spk_0 Speaking of which, what are you dressing up for Halloween?

spk_0 I'm so excited.

spk_0 I knew this.

spk_0 I'm so excited.

spk_0 I am again.

spk_0 My assistant who is usually in charge wanted me to go to Larry David.

spk_0 I'm like, no one's going to bite me into the bathroom to do ketamine when I'm dressed

spk_0 like Larry David.

spk_0 Okay.

spk_0 You're right.

spk_0 No like hot women are going to come up to me and say, you know, hey, what can I get you?

spk_0 Can I follow you on Instagram?

spk_0 But that would work.

spk_0 Larry David would want to go.

spk_0 Oh, 100% I'm bringing out the one that works.

spk_0 I'm going as Deadpool again.

spk_0 Oh, you love that outfit.

spk_0 I'm going as Deadpool after the fire.

spk_0 So I have to get a makeup artist to put all these scars all over my head.

spk_0 Oh, wow.

spk_0 But I don't know which private members club to go to.

spk_0 There's a lot of competition this year because they're all, they're all competing.

spk_0 It's great.

spk_0 If you think the competition between AI is intense, it's nothing compared to the private

spk_0 membership blood bath that is taking place in New York.

spk_0 They're not all going to make it, right?

spk_0 Oh, no.

spk_0 There's what happened was I'm fascinated with the economics of this.

spk_0 Okay.

spk_0 Basically, there's been so else.

spk_0 Which one's public?

spk_0 Can you, which one's so how?

spk_0 So else is public.

spk_0 It's just got taken private.

spk_0 It's a fantastic deal.

spk_0 It's a great idea.

spk_0 It doesn't make money.

spk_0 It spends too much money.

spk_0 Shouldn't have been a public company.

spk_0 It's been taken private.

spk_0 But that's sort of like a Toyota, like good value for the money.

spk_0 Young.

spk_0 And then this really talented entrepreneur in the sky.

spk_0 And Scott Sartian as a lovely guy started zero bond.

spk_0 He came in with a Mercedes offering and everything's demographically driven.

spk_0 There's just so much money now at the top 1%.

spk_0 And it was a huge hit.

spk_0 And about 36 months or 24 months later, these things just started popping up everywhere.

spk_0 Literally everywhere.

spk_0 And the bummer is, I mean, if you have money, great.

spk_0 The bummer is, is that where do young people go who don't have the money to get into

spk_0 a private member's club?

spk_0 Right.

spk_0 That's an opening.

spk_0 That's an opening in those kind.

spk_0 And that area is cheaper.

spk_0 And then again, if it's too cheap, then it's everyone can go.

spk_0 Essentially, there's the same phenomenon here in DC.

spk_0 There's the Ned.

spk_0 And then there's this one that Trump people opened up with.

spk_0 Shamath, Polyhopathy and the whole gang.

spk_0 But that one, a Trumper just told me they're all dropping in price.

spk_0 Especially the Trump one.

spk_0 Like it was started at like $500,000.

spk_0 Oh, come on.

spk_0 Everyone wants to go hang out with those guys.

spk_0 And also you're ignoring.

spk_0 I know, but I'm just saying it dropped.

spk_0 You're ignoring a basic truth.

spk_0 And that is, or we're not talking about this.

spk_0 Reality is, all these things are driven off of two things.

spk_0 They're driven off of rich men and the hot women that like rich men.

spk_0 There's some fun, cool stuff that's creative on the lower east side.

spk_0 But the reality is these private members clubs, they price the skirmannet,

spk_0 which they should for younger people.

spk_0 But basically, it's a much of 40-something year old dudes

spk_0 and a much of hot 20-something year old women.

spk_0 When I moved, I remember going,

spk_0 there's such a weird, like, power dynamic in terms of the mating market.

spk_0 When I first moved to New York, I just came out of UCLA

spk_0 where I was not a big deal, but I was young and good looking

spk_0 and finally coming in my own and dating a lot of very high caliber women.

spk_0 I got to New York at the age of 22.

spk_0 Was a Morton Stanley analyst?

spk_0 I couldn't get arrested because any of the women who used to date me at UCLA

spk_0 were dating 35-year-old hedge fund managers that could take them to the Hamptons.

spk_0 So if you're a guy in your 20s in New York, you might as well be invisible.

spk_0 At the same time, if you're a woman going into her 30s

spk_0 who's nice and attractive and not crazy hot,

spk_0 you might as well be invisible.

spk_0 New York is America.

spk_0 It's optimized for two people,

spk_0 wealthy men and hot women.

spk_0 For everybody else, it's a soul-crushing experience.

spk_0 And these clubs are that on steroids.

spk_0 I would agree.

spk_0 You know I don't drink.

spk_0 And I, but I've started going to bars with a man

spk_0 that we went to a great one in DC in Georgetown, too.

spk_0 The idea of going to bars now is more appealing than a club to me.

spk_0 Like without a-

spk_0 How do lounges or bars?

spk_0 Well, this one was this little thing called a fountain in.

spk_0 And it was just an old Georgetown townhouse that they were doing.

spk_0 It was very warm and lovely with really creative drinks and everything.

spk_0 Did you have a PIMS cup with Chattod?

spk_0 No, no.

spk_0 There's no check.

spk_0 Jesus Christ.

spk_0 The other one is more like a bar.

spk_0 And it was full of young people, but older people.

spk_0 Because they had games.

spk_0 They had ping pong.

spk_0 They had, it just was lovely food, but not too fancy.

spk_0 Just it was full of young people playing games, which I loved.

spk_0 Like, and not just young people, but it was like a mix.

spk_0 It was really.

spk_0 It was really lame.

spk_0 I just, I just told her to groan.

spk_0 These are George Stephanopolis.

spk_0 It wasn't those people.

spk_0 It was not fancy.

spk_0 I'm just saying, like, you should encourage that I go to bars.

spk_0 I'm, is that right?

spk_0 I avoid DC because there's like, I've never found the only way

spk_0 to drinking spots are like interns and you feel like a purve.

spk_0 There's like no cool lounges or places for.

spk_0 Well, I'll take you to, I don't belong to the net,

spk_0 but we'll go to the net.

spk_0 The net is actually kind of nice.

spk_0 Oh, it's a membership club?

spk_0 Yeah, it's a membership club.

spk_0 It's right across from the White House on top of rings bank.

spk_0 It's actually my neighbor belongs.

spk_0 So we'll have our, I'll have our drag us.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 Yeah, that sounds great.

spk_0 You're never coming here.

spk_0 Oh, no, the night we have our show.

spk_0 That's where we're going to go.

spk_0 Okay.

spk_0 All right, we have a show here in DC, by the way.

spk_0 Anyway, we've got to get to stuff.

spk_0 The tour is going great.

spk_0 It's selling great.

spk_0 So buy.

spk_0 We're sold out.

spk_0 Are we?

spk_0 We're sold out.

spk_0 No, we're sold out in the city.

spk_0 We're sold out in Toronto and San Francisco for sure.

spk_0 We're sold out in Toronto.

spk_0 I heard Toronto and San Francisco.

spk_0

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 Now, just don't tell anyone.

spk_0 The venue is 12 people.

spk_0 We're doing it in a lucky old basement apartment.

spk_0 My house and the cast show.

spk_0 Anyway, we've got a lot to get to today, including open AI backtracking

spk_0 on copyrights.

spk_0 What a shock.

spk_0 And Elon Musk pushing for a Netflix boycott.

spk_0 Oh, good God.

spk_0 But first, President Trump's immigration crackdown is escalating.

spk_0 Actually, this is quite troubling over the weekend.

spk_0 He authorized the deployment of 300 Illinois National Guard troops

spk_0 to Chicago.

spk_0 Governor JB Prisker is warning that federal agents and raids are turning

spk_0 the city into a war zone.

spk_0 He's creating problems.

spk_0 Trump also keeps trying to send National Guard troops into Portland.

spk_0 He first attempted to send Oregon National troops in.

spk_0 It was blocked by a federal judge whom he appointed.

spk_0 He then tried to deploy troops from California.

spk_0 It was blocked by the same judge who was really pissed off.

spk_0 So he keeps trying to find National Guard.

spk_0 This judge is going to block it completely.

spk_0 National Texas National Guard troops are also in the mix for Oregon

spk_0 and Illinois with Governor Abbott's blessing.

spk_0 By the way, he is saying some things that are incredibly inflammatory,

spk_0 saying maybe Portland should be gone.

spk_0 All this, none of your fucking business, Greg Abbott,

spk_0 all this as protests intensify in Chicago and Portland over these ice raids.

spk_0 I don't know what you thought, what you've seen,

spk_0 but it seems like a really truly demented escalation

spk_0 and Homeland Secretary, Chris Y'nome, is also saying ice agents

spk_0 will be all over the Super Bowl where bad money is the halftime headliner.

spk_0 I don't know who can afford, as you noted, going to the Super Bowl,

spk_0 but it's very expensive for people to know.

spk_0 So any thoughts on all this?

spk_0 Because it's truly troubling what's happening here.

spk_0 It's all led by Stephen Miller, obviously.

spk_0 Well, there's two things here.

spk_0 The first is, I just think this whole thing is such manufactured division.

spk_0 And that is, if you think about socialism is supposed to be,

spk_0 it's about equality, right?

spk_0 That we should have, everyone should have.

spk_0 The economy, the spoils should be, you know,

spk_0 William Gibson said, the future's here, it's just not evenly distributed.

spk_0 You could say the same thing about capitalism if it's left unchecked.

spk_0 The prosperity happens, it's just not evenly distributed.

spk_0 Socialism is a means of correcting that by the government

spk_0 owning the means of production.

spk_0 By the way, this is hands-down economically.

spk_0 The most socialist government in America has ever had.

spk_0 Yeah, correct.

spk_0 Liberals.

spk_0 Nearly communist.

spk_0 Liberals are the idea that everyone should be free to pursue liberty.

spk_0 Even if it means no search, you know,

spk_0 very strict private property and search and seizure laws,

spk_0 where you may know that that house, there's crime in it.

spk_0 But if you don't have a warrant, a search warrant, approved by a judge,

spk_0 you're not allowed to go in.

spk_0 We believe in gun rights as a form of liberalism to a certain extent,

spk_0 because we believe it's worth a certain amount.

spk_0 I don't want to protect gun rights,

spk_0 but the whole idea of a liberal democracy is the pursuit of liberty.

spk_0 Fascism, the juice of fascism is trying to convince people

spk_0 that the enemy is within, attacking,

spk_0 attacking and threatening the chosen way of life.

spk_0 And that's what this is.

spk_0 This is fascism.

spk_0 On any metric, the idea that crime is out of control,

spk_0 if that were true, then it was way more out of control several years ago.

spk_0 And also, if you were really serious about reducing crime,

spk_0 you wouldn't be sending in federal troops

spk_0 who don't know how to conduct crime investigations,

spk_0 don't know how to collect evidence,

spk_0 don't know how to arrest people.

spk_0 They're just to, they're to intimidate people.

spk_0 I believe, I am a believer that if you're going to spend now

spk_0 over a trillion dollars in the military,

spk_0 you should be proactive around the use of the military.

spk_0 I would rather see these guys and gals

spk_0 in Ukraine supporting long-range missile launches

spk_0 to destroy oil infrastructure.

spk_0 I would rather see them as a peacekeeping force in Gaza.

spk_0 They are ineffective, and all they do is terror the fabric of society

spk_0 and make us hate each other.

spk_0 And here's the bottom line.

spk_0 We're not that divided.

spk_0 What we have is an administration

spk_0 and God-like technology dividing us.

spk_0 Yeah, creating tension.

spk_0 I mean, it was interesting because there's still a few troops around DC

spk_0 and I went by one last night and I was trying to be nice

spk_0 and I was like, you guys should go home.

spk_0 Like, I was very nice about it

spk_0 and they're like, don't you think we want to go home?

spk_0 This is ridiculous.

spk_0 Yeah, they're not.

spk_0 They were like, they were like,

spk_0 not wanting to be there either.

spk_0 It's so, they were standing on the corner

spk_0 and then do you see the picture from Portland?

spk_0 They read voodoo donuts.

spk_0 There are all these troops at voodoo donuts,

spk_0 which are delicious donuts, may I add.

spk_0 I mean, what do you think about the,

spk_0 everything's performant, whether it's Kristi Nome

spk_0 or Steven Miller, who I think is a committed fascist,

spk_0 actually, the others, I think are very performative.

spk_0 Looking at, you know, Pete Hanks has one through run.

spk_0 I bet Kristi Nome wants to be president.

spk_0 But it's really, it creates,

spk_0 if you create enough problem with these people there,

spk_0 you will have a clash, which is I think what they want.

spk_0 That's what they're looking for.

spk_0 They're looking for a fight.

spk_0 Now, one of the things that's been,

spk_0 and this is in our real house,

spk_0 big tech is getting involved in all this.

spk_0 Apple and Google have pulled several apps

spk_0 that let users flag sightings at vice agents,

spk_0 including a wide these app called Ice Block.

spk_0 The move comes after Attorney General Pambondi,

spk_0 pressed Apple to remove Ice Block,

spk_0 claiming it puts federal officers at risk

spk_0 for doing their jobs.

spk_0 The apps creator slammed the decision,

spk_0 accusing Apple of bending to what he called

spk_0 in the authoritarian regime.

spk_0 Meanwhile, Ice is hiring contractors

spk_0 to scan Facebook, TikTok, and YouTube

spk_0 to find leads for enforcement rates

spk_0 and also monitor people's social feeds.

spk_0 Again, communist.

spk_0 This is what the authoritarian's do.

spk_0 What do you think of, and we have given

spk_0 so much of our information over to these companies,

spk_0 and they don't deserve the trust we have given them

spk_0 in lots of ways.

spk_0 I've mixed mind on the Ice Block,

spk_0 and at the same time, I'm kind of like,

spk_0 well, this is what happens when you do things like this.

spk_0 Like people get creative.

spk_0 There's one in San Francisco

spk_0 who's showing where parking meter people are,

spk_0 which the city got mad about.

spk_0 So you could move your car in time.

spk_0 I mean, it seems like when you do one thing

spk_0 and people take action against the other,

spk_0 guess what's gonna happen.

spk_0 What do you think about the tech companies?

spk_0 I'm on the tech company side of this.

spk_0 If you get a letter from the Attorney General

spk_0 telling you to take an app down,

spk_0 I just think you have to comply with the law.

spk_0 I don't fault them for doing that.

spk_0 What I think this shows though,

spk_0 is that we need more diversity of platforms.

spk_0 I also, I do like the idea of encryption,

spk_0 but at the same time, I like the government's ability.

spk_0 We're better at spying than anyone else in the world.

spk_0 And America and the Israelis have basically developed

spk_0 technology where they can essentially hack almost any phone.

spk_0 I quite frankly like that,

spk_0 because I do think of us at the end of the day

spk_0 as the good guys.

spk_0 At the same time, you said something

spk_0 that's really stuck with me,

spk_0 and that is people should have the right to have secrets.

spk_0 I really like that.

spk_0 I like the idea.

spk_0 I never used to think about it before,

spk_0 but now I think clearly anything I write down somewhere

spk_0 the government might have, or the...

spk_0 Yeah, you also shove everything into chat GPT series.

spk_0 I don't do it at all, but...

spk_0 Oh, I love it.

spk_0 Yeah, I'm definitely in a...

spk_0 Yeah, I'm in a...

spk_0 You're very from misqus, but the information.

spk_0 I've got to be from misqus somewhere.

spk_0 Anyway, so...

spk_0 But I find that fascinating.

spk_0 I just am curious how it comes back with stuff.

spk_0 But so I don't think you can fault tech

spk_0 for taking down these platforms.

spk_0 The images of American cities

spk_0 and ice agents and masks,

spk_0 I think that will go down is a pretty...

spk_0 I mean, not on the same level

spk_0 as the internment of Japanese families,

spk_0 but kind of the same flavor.

spk_0 Yeah, absolutely.

spk_0 Did you see that one where the guy was just standing there

spk_0 on the sidewalk?

spk_0 He was close to him.

spk_0 He was like...

spk_0 He was like back off,

spk_0 and he wasn't close enough to have what they did to him.

spk_0 He was near him, right?

spk_0 He was a tall guy near an ice agent,

spk_0 and he goes back off,

spk_0 and he was like, I'm standing on the sidewalk,

spk_0 and then the guy took him to the ground

spk_0 and beat the living fucking shit out of him.

spk_0 It was crazy.

spk_0 Well, there's tests.

spk_0 A lot of police forces have tests, and I say, okay,

spk_0 we understand that people who might like the idea

spk_0 of having a gun in a badge sometimes

spk_0 might have a background where they want to be

spk_0 in a position of authority,

spk_0 and we got to be clear that they're going into that position

spk_0 for the right reasons.

spk_0 And it strikes me that if you are signing up

spk_0 for ice right now,

spk_0 and I realize people have an obligation to make a living,

spk_0 you're not doing this to protect and serve.

spk_0 You're doing that, I think there's a decent chance

spk_0 that you have some underlying hostility

spk_0 towards immigrants that is not befitting,

spk_0 and the fact that you can wear a mask.

spk_0 Judges make really dangerous decisions every day.

spk_0 They put very dangerous people behind prisons.

spk_0 They don't wear masks.

spk_0 So the fact that we have decided to normalize the idea

spk_0 that certain people in the government

spk_0 on the street can wear a mask.

spk_0 What that means is we want to give them license

spk_0 and we want to give them the confidence

spk_0 to engage in depraved vile behavior.

spk_0 If we trust our society enough

spk_0 that someone can put a murderous mobster in prison

spk_0 and the jurists and the judge don't get to wear masks,

spk_0 then why on earth would we let people

spk_0 who supposedly are legally deporting people

spk_0 here illegally wear masks?

spk_0 Why?

spk_0 Because the way they are engaging in it

spk_0 is a form of violence,

spk_0 of a violation of people's rights,

spk_0 of an activity that makes you feel really bad

spk_0 about America and humanity,

spk_0 and does nothing.

spk_0 I was with someone who's a fairly famous anchor

spk_0 and their partner has left the country.

spk_0 Their partner is legal,

spk_0 but because they're non-white,

spk_0 they can't relax.

spk_0 They're worried about,

spk_0 they know that they don't want to be incarcerated

spk_0 incorrectly for 72 hours.

spk_0 For their social media feeds or whatever.

spk_0 Yeah, exactly.

spk_0 Let me say, speaking of judges, not wearing masks,

spk_0 the people are a now-and-er tech-arthid judges.

spk_0 Steven Miller started to call judges insurrectionists now

spk_0 for doing their job.

spk_0 And one of the judges who pushed back

spk_0 on one of Trump's many violations of the law

spk_0 had her house burned down.

spk_0 They don't know what happened,

spk_0 but the house was burned down.

spk_0 Steven Miller right now,

spk_0 if this man doesn't go to jail someday

spk_0 for what he is creating here,

spk_0 creating all kinds of anger or down in shame,

spk_0 if you notice one of another one of his relatives

spk_0 said he's a heinous piece of shit,

spk_0 used to be normal,

spk_0 and now we don't know what's happened to him, the whole family.

spk_0 But the judges are the ones under siege and you're right.

spk_0 They don't get to wear a mask.

spk_0 They stand, they write long rulings.

spk_0 And if these thugs, that's what they are.

spk_0 If they're wearing masks, you're a thug.

spk_0 If you want to do it,

spk_0 you don't need to have your identity protected.

spk_0 What are you like?

spk_0 A delicate fire of judges don't,

spk_0 which don't have guns.

spk_0 If other juries don't,

spk_0 they don't have guns to protect them.

spk_0 You should not have a mask on your face.

spk_0 That to me, it says everything.

spk_0 Let me just say the one thing that was really heartening

spk_0 to hear is the Pope who has been talking about this

spk_0 during a mass this past Sunday, Pope Leo urged Catholics

spk_0 to open their hearts and arms to migrants.

spk_0 This came after he referenced the inhuman treatment

spk_0 of immigrants in the United States

spk_0 while speaking to reporters last week.

spk_0 Press Secretary Carolyn Levin, as usual,

spk_0 because she's a mouthpiece,

spk_0 push back on those comments and mag influencers

spk_0 who also voiced their unhappiness with the Pope.

spk_0 I thought what he said was really strong.

spk_0 Was a very strong.

spk_0 He spoke out on immigration.

spk_0 He's working a lot of things.

spk_0 This guy is just a sharp as a tack.

spk_0 And I like that he's sort of entering the picture

spk_0 for decency, I guess.

spk_0 That's what I would say.

spk_0 He's, I don't think it's left or right.

spk_0 It's like, don't be in decent.

spk_0 I don't know if you have any thoughts on that.

spk_0 The term undocumented worker is a misnomer.

spk_0 Because here's the thing, these people have documents.

spk_0 They have fun contracts.

spk_0 They have drivers licenses.

spk_0 They have social security cards.

spk_0 They have W2s.

spk_0 They have all sorts of documents to ensure

spk_0 that US corporations can build them.

spk_0 They have bank accounts so they can wire money home

spk_0 so banks can get the float.

spk_0 They have all sorts of documentation

spk_0 such that we can make money from them.

spk_0 And the notion that they're okay, I get it.

spk_0 If you're here illegally, you should be asked to leave.

spk_0 I understand that.

spk_0 Now, at the same time, and it all comes back to the same thing.

spk_0 If we were serious about this problem,

spk_0 we would find the employers.

spk_0 I mean, if they're not here because they like the weather.

spk_0 They're here because there's jobs

spk_0 because a lot of domestic workers will not take these jobs.

spk_0 They will not wipe your grandmother's ass

spk_0 or build your house for 15 bucks an hour.

spk_0 And if we wanna have cheaper houses, cheaper healthcare,

spk_0 better services, better restaurants,

spk_0 we have for the last 40 or 50 years turned a blind eye to this.

spk_0 We have done it intentionally on both sides of the administration.

spk_0 We didn't wake up with tens of millions undocumented workers.

spk_0 Did Democrats and the Biden administration

spk_0 probably let it go too far?

spk_0 Yes.

spk_0 But that's notion of like turning into a police state

spk_0 and demonizing these people

spk_0 and taking our eye off the ball off

spk_0 of real security threats.

spk_0 Also, I am somewhat empathetic to the notion

spk_0 that Democratic governors invited an over correction

spk_0 by virtue signaling all the fucking time

spk_0 instead of actually cleaning up their own cities

spk_0 that they're governing.

spk_0 True, but Scott, that's like taking a sledgehammer to a floor.

spk_0 Right?

spk_0 100% agree.

spk_0 It's a total overreaction.

spk_0 And the thing that's most depressing is I shared a clip

spk_0 I believe it was from the parts of a Caribbean movie

spk_0 with the ship blowing up around the sky.

spk_0 And it had this caption,

spk_0 this is how it feels to be a centrist in the US.

spk_0 And I wrote, no, it's worse.

spk_0 And the comments were like a centrist or fascist,

spk_0 a centrist or enablers.

spk_0 We are just so divided and angry right now.

spk_0 Thomas Friedman had something,

spk_0 I thought he had something very cogent or on, on Mar.

spk_0 He said, we're not that divided, we're just being divided.

spk_0 And everyone says come together and everything.

spk_0 We need to turn the heat down.

spk_0 I'm telling you folks, it's not about a politician

spk_0 trying to cosplay Obama and turn down the political heat.

spk_0 We have connected 40% of the S&P to rage

spk_0 and sequestering us from one another.

spk_0 And what have, I don't know about you.

spk_0 I go on social media now and I see these videos

spk_0 of these kids and these women being separated

spk_0 from their husbands on social media.

spk_0 And I fucking hate America for about 30 seconds.

spk_0 And I'm not saying it's not important that we don't see that,

spk_0 but when you have an administration

spk_0 and algorithms that say, oh, we're gonna,

spk_0 this is gonna make us so much money.

spk_0 We're gonna have so many Nissan ads from this.

spk_0 So we have this one two punch of an administration

spk_0 that conflates masculinity and leadership

spk_0 with coarseness and cruelty and algorithms

spk_0 that make a shit ton of money from it.

spk_0 And the result is, if you were to go out today,

spk_0 I straights and all and I'm not in any way accepting

spk_0 or diminishing the ugliness of these ice rates.

spk_0 But if you go out in Portland,

spk_0 if you go out in Parcipony, New Jersey,

spk_0 or you go out in Provincetown,

spk_0 you're generally gonna find Americans

spk_0 from all political spectrums are generally speaking

spk_0 really lovely people.

spk_0 No, no, you're right.

spk_0 I would agree with you.

spk_0 I just think one of the issues is this is an attempt

spk_0 to divide and create anger.

spk_0 And it works.

spk_0 And I think what's really nice is to see everyone

spk_0 coming around as something you and I have been going

spk_0 on about forever.

spk_0 You saw McCrone talk about social media.

spk_0 You talked, you see everyone is now on this bandwagon.

spk_0 And we, these people should not be trusted

spk_0 with our information or decision making about our society.

spk_0 It's enough with them deciding what we should do.

spk_0 Look, we're willing addicts to these people,

spk_0 but is heroin and it will not end well

spk_0 if we don't take some control of this.

spk_0 And what the Trump administration is done to take control

spk_0 is to get bribes from them.

spk_0 And that's what they are, these payouts.

spk_0 And let them do whatever they want.

spk_0 They need to be drastically regulated in many, many ways

spk_0 or taxed either way.

spk_0 You know, they need to be pulled back.

spk_0 Okay, Scott, let's go on a quick break.

spk_0 When we come back, open AI does an about face

spk_0 on its copyright policy for Sora.

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spk_0 OpenA has backtracked and we'll give copyright holders

spk_0 more control over how their characters are used in Sora.

spk_0 It's new AI video generation app.

spk_0 Gosh, thanks a lot, Sam.

spk_0 As a reminder, leading up to the launch,

spk_0 the company has said copyright holders would have to opt out

spk_0 of having their material appear in the videos.

spk_0 Scott, that made excellent points last week.

spk_0 CEO Sam Altman said the company would have to quote

spk_0 somehow make money from the app to offset costs.

spk_0 Well, don't make it if you can't make money, Sam.

spk_0 And would try to share some of the revenue with rights

spk_0 holders who opt in.

spk_0 We'll try to share thanks.

spk_0 Sora is a top of free Apple's App Store at the time

spk_0 of the taping.

spk_0 It's an interesting app.

spk_0 By the way, OpenA and chip designer AMD

spk_0 have announced a multi-billion dollar partnership

spk_0 to collaborate on AI data centers.

spk_0 This is Lisa Sue.

spk_0 I just recently interviewed her actually.

spk_0 But the fact of getting away with anything they want

spk_0 is just they still think that.

spk_0 And by the way, OpenA is dev day will be happening

spk_0 after we take today.

spk_0 We'll talk about that more on Friday.

spk_0 But thoughts on this turn about,

spk_0 I mean, they must have heard holy hell for everybody.

spk_0 That's my assumption.

spk_0 Well, I've hired hackers and AI engineers

spk_0 to reverse engineer everything that opened AI spent money

spk_0 on I'm calling it closed AI

spk_0 because they have not opted out.

spk_0 They have not opted out.

spk_0 I love to say.

spk_0 I mean, what?

spk_0 I like that.

spk_0 And by the way, I've disassembled my iPhone.

spk_0 I've found Foxconn and China and I found assemblers

spk_0 because Tim Cook has not opted out.

spk_0 He has not opted out.

spk_0 I can, I mean, that is just so fucking ridiculous.

spk_0 I can shop lifters.

spk_0 And the notion that,

spk_0 I mean, if they were really, Adobe did this the right way.

spk_0 Adobe basically started a generative AI,

spk_0 a design AI, whatever they're called.

spk_0 And said, everything on here,

spk_0 we've had, we've developed agreements

spk_0 with the initial IP creators.

spk_0 And it's probably not as complete as a Wild West,

spk_0 but you know everything here,

spk_0 the people have agreed the license to us.

spk_0 And this is a moment in time

spk_0 where absolutely they should hit back carpet.

spk_0 Unfortunately, this smart economic decision

spk_0 is just to steal from people.

spk_0 But I think this is absolutely a moment to push back.

spk_0 The other thing I got additional hate from this,

spk_0 I've been getting a lot of hate this week,

spk_0 or I'm very sensitive.

spk_0 I don't know, maybe it's the Sonic speaking.

spk_0 Not sure.

spk_0 Anyway, I put out a thing showing a graph.

spk_0 LA is basically turning into the next Detroit

spk_0 with better weather.

spk_0 And that is,

spk_0 I sent you that story.

spk_0

spk_0 In the time.

spk_0 What the Japanese did to Detroit,

spk_0 essentially Netflix and LAI and LAI.

spk_0 Well, and the strike,

spk_0 which you had been very vocal about the strike

spk_0 and why I think this is going to cause untold damage.

spk_0 So it was the strike, Netflix and AI.

spk_0 But yeah, I won't even go there.

spk_0 Literally the stupidest people in corporate America,

spk_0 I ever elected to position as the WGA who decided,

spk_0 I know, let's transfer wealth from actors and workers

spk_0 to Netflix and make things worse to us

spk_0 and keep people out of work for five months

spk_0 so that they can come back with no negotiating leverage.

spk_0 Anyways, if you've seen the numbers,

spk_0 LA has had a vibrant creative middle class driven by Hollywood.

spk_0 And it's not, people think it's Brian Kranson or Tom Cruise.

spk_0 It's not.

spk_0 It's caterers.

spk_0 It's makeup artists.

spk_0 It's lighter.

spk_0 It's gaffers.

spk_0 It's sound people,

spk_0 people making 80 to 250 grand a year as animators

spk_0 as costume designers.

spk_0 And it's all being cleaned out.

spk_0 First by Netflix who moved the majority of the production overseas

spk_0 or to the places with the biggest tax credits,

spk_0 that's economic arbitrage based on geography.

spk_0 That would be Atlanta, New Jersey.

spk_0 Vancouver, Budapest.

spk_0 The Marvel films.

spk_0 Can you think of anything more American than the Marvel films?

spk_0 You know where they're being filmed?

spk_0 Budapest.

spk_0 Pinewood studios outside of England.

spk_0 Oh, yeah, London too.

spk_0 Yep.

spk_0 So okay, you can't get in the way of that.

spk_0 It's important geographies.

spk_0 Wait to see what AI does to these guys, right?

spk_0 Because all of a sudden, I mean,

spk_0 Costumers.

spk_0 All these guys.

spk_0 So this is LA, San Francisco,

spk_0 the transfer of wealth.

spk_0 There's literally a sucking sign of capital and opportunity

spk_0 from LA to San Francisco right now.

spk_0 And that is those 3,400 people that worked on,

spk_0 just as, as Bezos said,

spk_0 your margin is my opportunity.

spk_0 The credits and movies are AI's opportunity right now.

spk_0 They're looking at that and thinking,

spk_0 oh my gosh, it's gonna be fun.

spk_0 Having said that, I went and saw last night

spk_0 one battle after the other with...

spk_0 But the answer to the game.

spk_0 The outro and...

spk_0 And?

spk_0 It was really mixed on it.

spk_0 These guys, Benicio del Toro and Leonardo DiCaprio

spk_0 and his daughter, the woman who plays his daughter,

spk_0 who's just so beautiful and such a good actress,

spk_0 there's so much talent in it.

spk_0 You can't kind of turn your eyes away from the screen.

spk_0 But it felt to me like an independent movie

spk_0 that if it didn't have three superstars

spk_0 could have done a half a million dollars

spk_0 after premiering its Sundance to applause.

spk_0 It didn't feel like, quite frankly,

spk_0 I think it's hugely overrated.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 You were looking forward to that.

spk_0 I was really excited about it.

spk_0 I told you I didn't wanna go.

spk_0 But it's just so strange.

spk_0 I don't know if it's I'm aging out.

spk_0 I think literally the big screen is just gonna go away.

spk_0 I think it's gonna be kind of an event thing

spk_0 like going ice skating a roller.

spk_0 You know who did well this weekend?

spk_0 We didn't talk about her album,

spk_0 just because that's being respectful.

spk_0 But guess who killed it at the box office.

spk_0 Please don't.

spk_0 Guess who killed it?

spk_0 Tell her Swift is the number one box office hit with her

spk_0 on she did a deal with AMC.

spk_0 They are raking in the fucking dough.

spk_0 Thank you.

spk_0 Go tell him happy for her.

spk_0 Show girl.

spk_0 She's so good.

spk_0 Come on.

spk_0 Just say she's good.

spk_0 She's an inspiring young woman.

spk_0 I'm happy for her.

spk_0 But I'm just saying that's who killed it

spk_0 at the box office this weekend.

spk_0 Can't believe you haven't listened to the whole penis song.

spk_0 If I've had a nipple for every time I've heard that.

spk_0 I'm just saying there's a penis song in this album.

spk_0 But go ahead.

spk_0 Anyways, name one thing Taylor Swift doesn't have in her purse.

spk_0 Her boyfriend's phone number.

spk_0 Oh, you're funny.

spk_0 She's getting married in case she's happy ending

spk_0 from Taylor Swift with, by the way, the album is excellent.

spk_0 And it's killing it.

spk_0 She's killing it.

spk_0 I'm just saying go back to the box office.

spk_0 Go ahead.

spk_0 So do Caprio fails, but Taylor kills it.

spk_0 Go ahead.

spk_0 I just think movies are becoming something like

spk_0 ice skating a Rockefeller Center.

spk_0 You'll do it every couple of years with your kids.

spk_0 Events.

spk_0 Events is right.

spk_0 It's just not.

spk_0 And I remember thinking, or if I become so extremely online,

spk_0 I can't sit still for 150 minutes.

spk_0 But there's definitely something very governor Newsom

spk_0 either needs a couple of things need to happen.

spk_0 I do think governor Newsom needs to supersize

spk_0 the film tax credit or the motion picture tax credit

spk_0 for California.

spk_0 It was sort of a mini size.

spk_0 Yeah, mix.

spk_0 Yeah, yeah.

spk_0 It was a 750 million bucks for an economy that big.

spk_0 I don't know.

spk_0 For me, if I were him and I don't know if you could do this,

spk_0 some sort of tax above a certain amount, i.e.

spk_0 AI that funds the creative community in California.

spk_0 Because I do think the creative community in LA

spk_0 is a really valuable part of that fabric.

spk_0 And so the LA, which hasn't been competitive

spk_0 with other regions for 10 or 15 years,

spk_0 is really suffering.

spk_0 And I'm telling you, they got to call Barry Diller.

spk_0 They got to get lawyers.

spk_0 They have got to go after these guys early and often.

spk_0 Because the fact that the head of open AI

spk_0 would even suggest people need to opt out.

spk_0 They need to opt.

spk_0 So let me get this.

spk_0 There's a house next to me.

spk_0 They look rich.

spk_0 Do they need to purposely opt out of me

spk_0 breaking in and stealing their shit?

spk_0 Do they need to say to me, no, do not come over

spk_0 and take our shit?

spk_0 I mean, that's, that is such, that gives you insight

spk_0 into the mentality of these folks that the president basically

spk_0 says they can molest the other 490 companies

spk_0 of the S&P 500 of anything they want and they are protected.

spk_0 Because what they've decided is, what he's decided is

spk_0 that people who come meet with me, who I adore,

spk_0 who might be trillionaires and who can turn upper down

spk_0 the algorithms to get me reelected.

spk_0 And I think they will want to get me reelected

spk_0 if they see I let them run unfettered

spk_0 and become worth 400 billion instead of 300.

spk_0 And everybody else, I was at this,

spk_0 one of, you know, this quote unquote big conference

spk_0 that was show going named a head of a huge

spk_0 athletic brand stood up and said, I'm fucked.

spk_0 I can't figure out we've been diversifying out of China.

spk_0 We take our products to Vietnam and Malaysia

spk_0 and then we find out after rerouting our supply chain,

spk_0 did Vietnam's getting hit hard with these new tariffs?

spk_0 And someone stood up and said, I can coach you

spk_0 around how to communicate with the White House

spk_0 in a very, very intelligent journalist said,

spk_0 this is where America is.

spk_0 Really rich people have to coach less rich people

spk_0 on how to get favors from the White House.

spk_0 That's right, that's exactly where we're.

spk_0 That's where we are.

spk_0 Yep, that's exactly where we are.

spk_0 Let me just say one more.

spk_0 The numbers are really interesting.

spk_0 So, Dwayne Johnson also opened a movie called Smashing Machine.

spk_0 It's $6 million is all he made.

spk_0 And showgirl, which was a cinematic experience.

spk_0 It was not a concert film.

spk_0 It wasn't a doc.

spk_0 It was just a promotional stunt.

spk_0 Took in $46 million across the globe

spk_0 and she gets a whole chunk of that.

spk_0 So, I mean, things are at, you have to have events.

spk_0 There are ways to supersede these people

spk_0 who are stealing your stuff or the White House

spk_0 that is trying to fuck you by doing favors

spk_0 is a really bad economic environment

spk_0 unless you have an event

spk_0 or something so good that people

spk_0 or a fan base so big that it's gonna make you money.

spk_0 It's really something.

spk_0 It really is.

spk_0 I have, listen, I had a friend who's like,

spk_0 I wanna get it on the TikTok deal

spk_0 and after telling me how dirty it was,

spk_0 it's like I still wanna get it on it.

spk_0 I would invest.

spk_0 I said the same thing at this conference.

spk_0 I raised my hand and said,

spk_0 can you give me advice on how democratic professors

spk_0 can invest in this TikTok deal?

spk_0 How do I get in on TikTok at 60% off?

spk_0 I'm in.

spk_0 Yeah, exactly.

spk_0 This guy was like, it's dirty, dirty, dirty, I won in.

spk_0 Oh, 100%.

spk_0 Which is gross.

spk_0 I don't wanna disarm unilaterally.

spk_0 But what's happening, there's,

spk_0 I mean, Holly was being so reshaped

spk_0 and I was thinking about,

spk_0 I was adding up our numbers

spk_0 because I love to talk about how awesome we are.

spk_0 We get 400,000 downloads after a month.

spk_0 We have 70% of the core demographic.

spk_0 The people are still in their mating years

spk_0 and spending money on stupid shit.

spk_0 So that's 280,000 people in the core demographic.

spk_0 Do you know what CNN prime time gets

spk_0 in the core demographic on average?

spk_0 Like 126,000.

spk_0 87,000.

spk_0 Yes, I'm like,

spk_0 we're getting triple the number of people

spk_0 in the core demographic granted.

spk_0 It's only for an hour and 10 minutes

spk_0 and they're on for four hours.

spk_0 But what do you think the cost of the means of production

spk_0 is for four hours of prime time CNN?

spk_0 We're not nearly as good looking.

spk_0 We don't have nearly as good a makeup.

spk_0 The sets aren't as good, fine.

spk_0 We are as good.

spk_0 But this is, you are going to see cable news,

spk_0 cable news in the big screen, quote unquote, TV,

spk_0 are going to be companies owned by billionaires.

spk_0 And I keep meaning documentary filmmakers.

spk_0 And I'm like, oh, that means your husband's rich,

spk_0 which does not go over well.

spk_0 That's just too much.

spk_0 It means your marriage is somewhat very wealthy.

spk_0 And but the big screen going away

spk_0 and I do think that there is something,

spk_0 there is a social,

spk_0 there is a social need.

spk_0 The middle class creative community in Southern California

spk_0 is a really valuable, important part in justice.

spk_0 They are.

spk_0 They've made so much magic.

spk_0 Just as we bailed out the automobile companies,

spk_0 I think we should be thinking about a thoughtful means

spk_0 of transferring some capital back

spk_0 from Northern California to Southern California.

spk_0 You know, they're not going to do that.

spk_0 They're not going to do that.

spk_0 Well, they don't have a critical power.

spk_0 David Zazlov and Bob Iger aren't having, aren't giving

spk_0 the rubbent hug to President Trump.

spk_0 Not enough.

spk_0 They're not invited.

spk_0 All he does is get angry at him

spk_0 and they bend over and give him 14 million bucks.

spk_0 Well, we'll see.

spk_0 All right, let's go on a quick break.

spk_0 And when we come back, Elon's Netflix boycott.

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spk_0 Scott, we're back with more news.

spk_0 Let's talk about what Elon has been up to lately.

spk_0 First off, Netflix stock is down 4% in the last five days

spk_0 at time of taping.

spk_0 After Elon urged followers to cancel subscriptions

spk_0 over an animated show that features a trans character.

spk_0 The show Dead End Paranormal Park

spk_0 was canceled in 2023 after two seasons.

spk_0 You know, again, it was also over the threat by Trump.

spk_0 To tax, to tariff movies.

spk_0 But you know, he's carrying on his little boycotts

spk_0 all over the place.

spk_0 Secondly, meanwhile, newly unveiled,

spk_0 Testmade revealed that SpaceX took money

spk_0 from Chinese investors by having closed ties

spk_0 to the US military and major.

spk_0 SpaceX investors said in a deposition

spk_0 that some of the Chinese investors are listed as shareholders.

spk_0 In March, pro-publica reported that SpaceX allows

spk_0 Chinese investors to buy a stake in the company

spk_0 as long as the funds are rooted through offshore hubs.

spk_0 They also, one of the things that I want to add,

spk_0 these are three different things.

spk_0 SpaceX acquisition of Telecom, Echo Star's spectrum rights,

spk_0 recent Washington Post opinion piece highlights

spk_0 how the deal could change the two state and citizen.

spk_0 The buy allows for direct satellite

spk_0 to smartphone connectivity without terrestrial infrastructure.

spk_0 The acquisition SpaceX now controls enough spectrum

spk_0 to supply commercial mobile services globally.

spk_0 They're very good at that as you have pointed out.

spk_0 So start with the first one that trans things.

spk_0 I just think he's a terrible person

spk_0 and he should be called and apologize to his daughter.

spk_0 That's, he's just a terrible person and a terrible parent

spk_0 and he's obsessed with trans issues in a way

spk_0 that makes JK rolling look reasonable.

spk_0 The second one, of course, he's taking money

spk_0 from Chinese investors because, well,

spk_0 and the last one I think is a really important story.

spk_0 But go ahead, you go ahead.

spk_0 Well, just, I don't remember the last one,

spk_0 but I tell you how I feel about this.

spk_0 I think that I opt for the material

spk_0 and psychological well-being of Americans

spk_0 above almost everything else.

spk_0 And I like taking capital from almost anybody.

spk_0 And as long as you've been in place

spk_0 that they can't control stuff,

spk_0 I think the Americans don't realize

spk_0 the connection between their prosperity

spk_0 and the fact that our cost of cap,

spk_0 you can't get a mortgage in Argentina.

spk_0 You did, there's no such thing as a mortgage market

spk_0 in Argentina.

spk_0 You can't buy a, so how many people can buy a house

spk_0 when you can't borrow to buy a house

spk_0 because there's no capital flowing into Argentina.

spk_0 So I'm kind of a cashier check,

spk_0 put in safeguards such that they can't control the media.

spk_0 But I like the fact that we have huge capital inflows

spk_0 and I find that a lot of times,

spk_0 people on the left are not focused enough

spk_0 on our economic well-being and want to virtue signal.

spk_0 Having said that, let's go to the,

spk_0 one of the greatest exports, unfortunately, now,

spk_0 not the greatest, the biggest exports

spk_0 of the United States is American citizens

spk_0 like Elon Musk exporting political division.

spk_0 There was a rally here in the UK

spk_0 and Elon Musk shows out,

spk_0 I want Britain to be great again.

spk_0 It's like, Jesus Christ, we're exporting this bullshit.

spk_0 I think the commercial opportunity,

spk_0 the best selling, the Chevrolet Equinox EV

spk_0 is the third best selling.

spk_0 If I were Chevrolet, I would be making a line

spk_0 of this and say, by any Chevrolet EV,

spk_0 free lifetime subscription and Netflix.

spk_0 I would just, I would, I like targeted economic strikes.

spk_0 I'm a fan of it.

spk_0 In now over political issues.

spk_0 I just think that's, I'm,

spk_0 Well, that's what he says he's doing, I assume, right?

spk_0 More power, fine.

spk_0 I don't believe what I don't believe in why he's doing it.

spk_0 But I think that Chevrolet and Netflix should strike back.

spk_0 I think Ted Sramando should say,

spk_0 we're offering free Netflix for anyone who buys

spk_0 the other seven best selling EVs.

spk_0 He's smarter than that.

spk_0 He's not going to weigh into this.

spk_0 He's just going to ignore it because I'll tell you one thing.

spk_0 People may love their Tesla.

spk_0 They love their Netflix more.

spk_0 I mean, it's like, yeah, I do love my Netflix.

spk_0 Oh, it's fantastic.

spk_0 It's fantastic.

spk_0 Unfortunately, I've been subject to Wednesday.

spk_0 God, that's a lot.

spk_0 A lot of talent in that.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 A lot of talent in Wednesday.

spk_0 Anyways, I don't, I think that,

spk_0 also, I think for the most part, Elon Musk

spk_0 has only been in the news like every 48 hours.

spk_0 And I think he hates that.

spk_0 So I think this goes nowhere.

spk_0 I think this is a bit of a non-event.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 And what about the, what about the Echo Star thing?

spk_0 That to me was really interesting.

spk_0 The ability to offer cell phones.

spk_0 Big deal.

spk_0 It strikes me that I would hate to be Verizon or AT&T right now.

spk_0 So I'm an investor in Andrew Yang's, MBNO, NobleMobile,

spk_0 but basically essentially since the cost to build out,

spk_0 and this is good, I think this is a good regulation.

spk_0 The cost to build out a cellular network and broadband

spk_0 is so expensive that these companies convinced regulators

spk_0 to say there's gonna be a small number of them.

spk_0 And they said fine, but they said,

spk_0 if there's only gonna be two or three global

spk_0 national networks, you have to be able to lease them out

spk_0 at competitive rates to MBNO.

spk_0 So MBNO is basically renting the same network

spk_0 that Andrew is at NobleMobile,

spk_0 and they come up with different features,

spk_0 different, like Andrew's company is saying,

spk_0 we'll give you money back if you're not on your phone.

spk_0 Like get off your phone.

spk_0 And I think that's the way to do regulation.

spk_0 I would hate to be AT&T in Verizon right now,

spk_0 because whether it's WhatsApp,

spk_0 which is now, I think the largest telco in the world,

spk_0 and the ability and new technologies

spk_0 to communicate kind of seamlessly using ubiquitous technology,

spk_0 and not, I mean, care, my AT&T bill,

spk_0 I'm not exaggerating here, my AT&T bill each month,

spk_0 and I'm switching to Noble next week.

spk_0 Of course, I've got to find someone young to help me,

spk_0 actually figure out how to switch my phone servers.

spk_0 It's four to five.

spk_0 I know, well, here I am.

spk_0 I'll do it.

spk_0 Here I am.

spk_0 Call me.

spk_0 I'm scared of my microwave.

spk_0 Anyways, it's four to $600 a month.

spk_0 I'm spending four to $600 a month on AT&T.

spk_0 And Andrew called me and said,

spk_0 I think we can get you down.

spk_0 I have to get the international plan on all that.

spk_0 It thinks, I think I can get it down to $70 or $80.

spk_0 And by the way, it's going to rest on the same network.

spk_0 Well, actually, it'll rest on the team mobile network,

spk_0 not the AT&T network.

spk_0 So AT&T and Verizon have been terrible performing stocks,

spk_0 because they have a cost infrastructure and overhead

spk_0 that just doesn't recognize what's happened in that.

spk_0 I'm looking at it too, because I have all my kids on mine.

spk_0 And it's a lot of money.

spk_0 It's a lot of fucking money.

spk_0 I get really, as I'm like, what am I paying for exactly?

spk_0 There's a huge speaking of opportunity.

spk_0 There's a huge opportunity.

spk_0 I think this is a really smart thing.

spk_0 The thing is it's attached to Elon again.

spk_0 And even, but then Starlink does really well,

spk_0 even though it's attached to Elon,

spk_0 because it's a superior product.

spk_0 And Tesla is no longer a superior product.

spk_0 It's the issue.

spk_0 And when you have a choice, you go with the one

spk_0 who doesn't irritate you hugely.

spk_0 But you're right.

spk_0 You're right.

spk_0 This is interesting.

spk_0 One quick thing I think we have to talk about,

spk_0 Instagram safety measures for kids are woefully

spk_0 and adequate, according to a new report from former meta

spk_0 whistleblower along with nonprofit groups.

spk_0 The report evaluated 47 of meta's 53 safety features,

spk_0 routines and found a majority were no longer available

spk_0 or ineffective or they were ineffective.

spk_0 Meta has called a report misleading

spk_0 and dangerously speculative.

spk_0 You know, I'm going to hear from them after we talk about this,

spk_0 but I think it goes to the heart of what Scott and I talk about

spk_0 is they're going to make things safer kids.

spk_0 It's almost impossible to make them safer kids,

spk_0 but from a cost perspective, they cannot.

spk_0 They, there's so many holes in all these things

spk_0 that it's, I think it's an impossible thing

spk_0 and it's gotten I've talked about.

spk_0 They should not be serving young people.

spk_0 They have no responsibility.

spk_0 They've shown themselves not to have responsibility.

spk_0 And even when they're trying, it's hard to do.

spk_0 So I just, it creates a really bad situation

spk_0 for young people on these social media networks,

spk_0 which are pound for pound negative for our kids.

spk_0 They're not very positive for us either,

spk_0 in some cases they are to be fair.

spk_0 Your thoughts about their ability to make things safe for young people.

spk_0 To me, this is pretty simple.

spk_0 No one under the age of 16 should be allowed on the social media platform.

spk_0 And if we find out that you're age gating isn't,

spk_0 I can be talking about our pivot tour

spk_0 and I get served an ad for our pivot tour,

spk_0 but they claim they can't, they can't age gate.

spk_0 No one under the age of 16 on a social media platform,

spk_0 no one under the age of 18 can engage

spk_0 in a synthetic relationship.

spk_0 Full stop.

spk_0 Let's not, no more safety protocols,

spk_0 no more technology, no more, no more parental controls.

spk_0 These things are, we age gate alcohol, pornography,

spk_0 the military motorcycles, our rated content.

spk_0 The damage these things have done

spk_0 and the unfortunate thing is that you say,

spk_0 well, they come in with the argument around parenting.

spk_0 Well, this is about good parenting.

spk_0 You don't want your kids on screens, don't let them on it.

spk_0 Here's the problem.

spk_0 If you take your kid off a snap

spk_0 and every other kid is still on snap,

spk_0 that kid actually ends up more depressed

spk_0 because he's isolated.

spk_0 Unless this is collective action

spk_0 from the government or from schools, it's not gonna work.

spk_0 And there's just evidence everywhere

spk_0 showing that when social went on mobile,

spk_0 things got worse for teens.

spk_0 So this is an easy one.

spk_0 If we outlawed, if we made it such that,

spk_0 I mean, the reality is kid smoking.

spk_0 If you quit smoking by the time you're 30,

spk_0 your rates of cancer are the same as someone who never smoked,

spk_0 but the problem is you can get addicted.

spk_0 A 15 year old smoking cigarettes, that is less dangerous

spk_0 than a 15 year old, in my view, on Instagram.

spk_0 And so, all right, look what we did to cigarettes.

spk_0 Why is it taking us so long with social?

spk_0 And typically, I think it's about to happen.

spk_0 And it is happening, I think,

spk_0 largely because of Jonathan Heitzbuk,

spk_0 the anxious generation.

spk_0 But generally speaking, society takes 20 years.

spk_0 It took us 20 years with cigarettes.

spk_0 It took us 20 years with opiates.

spk_0 And it feels like the iPhone is taking us about 20 years.

spk_0 But I think it's happening.

spk_0 But all this nonsense around parental controls

spk_0 and parenting, no, no, no, easy.

spk_0 Under the age of 16, no social media,

spk_0 under the age of 18, no synthetic relationships.

spk_0 Yeah, they're always gonna get caught out on these things.

spk_0 And parental controls, I am really good at it.

spk_0 And they're not good.

spk_0 And let me say, there was a great piece

spk_0 actually on CBS this morning on schools without phones.

spk_0 They are happier.

spk_0 Everyone's happier without them.

spk_0 Actually, one of my sons, I'm not gonna say which one,

spk_0 wrote me in, and was being a little crazy on the phone

spk_0 about some topics.

spk_0 And he wrote me a little bit later, he texted me,

spk_0 and he goes, you know, I'm on this phone too much.

spk_0 It's making me crazy.

spk_0 And I was like, yes, thank you.

spk_0 He self-diagnosed himself and he's older.

spk_0 But he was, it got him all going, right?

spk_0 It got him all, like, that kind of thing.

spk_0 And so you can't help but doom scroll and be angry.

spk_0 And it happens to all of us, including me.

spk_0 I actually have an interesting enough.

spk_0 My threads is so full of cooking and ASMR

spk_0 that I hardly ever see news on it, which is interesting.

spk_0 Which I like, right?

spk_0 It's actually very calming and I don't ever see angry stuff.

spk_0 But it's got Nyer pretty clear on this.

spk_0 And by the way, Jonathan Hades book is,

spk_0 I think is critically important to this,

spk_0 but your book will be talking about a lot on the tour.

spk_0 So we'll be talking about these topics.

spk_0 Notes on being a man, is that correct?

spk_0 Note some being a man.

spk_0 Thanks for that, yeah, not something.

spk_0 Yeah, we'll be talking, it's during Scott's debut week

spk_0 and we hope to get it to the number one

spk_0 on the New York Times bestseller list

spk_0 with our tour and everything else.

spk_0 Care, care, I don't give into the commercial metrics

spk_0 of a modern day.

spk_0 I still want, that's my personal goal.

spk_0 I just hope that people find some reward in it.

spk_0 Well, I'm going to get you on to the New York Times

spk_0 as well.

spk_0 All right, Scott, one more quick break.

spk_0 We'll be back for wins and fails.

spk_0 Okay, Scott, let's hear some wins and fails.

spk_0 I just wanted to try and wrap a win and fail

spk_0 into discussing a little bit about Trump's quote unquote,

spk_0 compact that offers preferential treatment

spk_0 to compliant colleges.

spk_0 First off, that's a bit of a misnomer.

spk_0 What they're threatening to do

spk_0 is take away federal funding from universities

spk_0 that don't sort of sign up for certain protocols.

spk_0 And I'll go through each of them just sort of quickly

spk_0 and provide a viewpoint.

spk_0 The first is, I think I've depart a little bit

spk_0 from some of the responses from the last.

spk_0 And that is, I do think generally speaking

spk_0 that if the federal government is going to give you

spk_0 billions of dollars, they should have input.

spk_0 However, that input needs to be discussed in Congress

spk_0 and passed his laws that apply to all colleges

spk_0 because they're minimum and three years and two months.

spk_0 A lot of this should just might be reversed.

spk_0 So this is just darting back and forth,

spk_0 trying to figure out what to do.

spk_0 Also, there's a lot of evidence showing

spk_0 that the funding that these universities get for research

spk_0 has been arguably the best investment in the history

spk_0 of the planet around pharmaceuticals and technology.

spk_0 But anyways, having said that,

spk_0 some of the things they want to do,

spk_0 they want to make admissions basically gender, ethnicity,

spk_0 race and political view blind.

spk_0 And I don't have a problem with that

spk_0 because basically the Supreme Court has already said

spk_0 that's what it has to be.

spk_0 I do believe in affirmative action,

spk_0 but I believe it should be based on income,

spk_0 not based on any observable characteristic

spk_0 or sexual orientation.

spk_0 To marketplace of ideas and civil discourse,

spk_0 they're forcing them to commit to fostering

spk_0 a vibrant marketplace of ideas on campus,

spk_0 requiring an intellectually open campus environment

spk_0 with a broad spectrum of ideological viewpoints present

spk_0 and no single ideology dominant,

spk_0 both long political and other relevant lines.

spk_0 I want to acknowledge that universities

spk_0 have done a really poor job

spk_0 of fomenting and supporting ideological diversity.

spk_0 Having said that, I don't see how you legislate,

spk_0 any attempt to legislate it really is thought control.

spk_0 And just as the cops, police forces and the military

spk_0 probably lean conservative,

spk_0 universities are always going to lean progressive.

spk_0 That's just the way it is.

spk_0 Now, should 90 plus percent of your faculty be Democrats,

spk_0 that probably says you need to broaden the spectrum

spk_0 a little bit.

spk_0 I've also seen some bullying on campus

spk_0 where anything outside of certain narrative

spk_0 is really frowned upon.

spk_0 But I don't see how you implement this sort of thought control,

spk_0 non-discrimination and hiring institutions

spk_0 will not be allowed to consider factors

spk_0 such as sex, ethnicity, race, national origin,

spk_0 disability or religion.

spk_0 I'm quite frankly, I'm comfortable with that.

spk_0 I think that universities,

spk_0 what I've seen in terms of promotions and faculty

spk_0 is that it is mostly merit,

spk_0 but a lot of times it's not merit.

spk_0 And but again, there's a better solution here

spk_0 and the solution quite frankly

spk_0 to be getting rid of tenure

spk_0 because the biggest problem is we don't have enough room

spk_0 for a young faculty to come up through the ranks

spk_0 because old and efficient faculty will not leave.

spk_0 Student learning, universities must commit to bat

spk_0 in grade inflation, I don't even know what that means.

spk_0 Student equality, institutions must commit to defining

spk_0 and otherwise interpreting male, female, women and man.

spk_0 You know, people ask me all the time if I'm Jewish

spk_0 and I say you're an atheist and I say I'm Jewish

spk_0 and I'm like, well, your bar mitzvah, no,

spk_0 and they say, well, you're really Jewish.

spk_0 I'm like, well, I get to present as whatever the fuck I want.

spk_0 And my view is anyone, if you want to present,

spk_0 people should be able to just present as they want.

spk_0 So I don't understand why what the big deal is around,

spk_0 not letting people, I've always said with respect to pronouns,

spk_0 I do think it's a little bit stupid,

spk_0 but if you want me to call you they,

spk_0 I have no problem with that.

spk_0 That's, it's not a big give, I'll be just fine.

spk_0 You're not infringing on my rights.

spk_0 Then the big one, the one that bothers me the most

spk_0 is that foreign entanglements,

spk_0 one of the conditions is that the compact requires them,

spk_0 no more than 15% of the university's undergraduate student

spk_0 population, basically she'll be foreigners.

spk_0 Okay, that actually won't have that much effect

spk_0 at the undergraduate level because most universities

spk_0 are not above 15%, it will have a huge impact

spk_0 at the graduate schools where we get a lot.

spk_0 And this is so contrary to everything they're trying to do

spk_0 because the ultimate luxury item in the world

spk_0 is not a Rolex watch, it's not a Ferrari,

spk_0 it's sending your kids to an elite university,

spk_0 will you will pay no joke between housing and tuition

spk_0 a half a million dollars into the American economy

spk_0 to send your kid to a foreign university

spk_0 and American university where he or she will love America

spk_0 and go back and create connective tissue

spk_0 between us and foreign nations.

spk_0 And at 90 points plus of gross margin,

spk_0 this is the ultimate high margin export

spk_0 and our ability, just as I was saying,

spk_0 I love the idea of foreign capital coming into the US.

spk_0 I love the idea of human capital coming into the US.

spk_0 A bet and then the final one is they've said

spk_0 they can't raise their prices for five years.

spk_0 I hate price controls from mom, dummy,

spk_0 I hate price controls from Trump.

spk_0 There, a lot of this in my opinion gets it the right idea,

spk_0 but as always, it is the wrong execution

spk_0 with a secretary of education who ran a fucking wrestling league.

spk_0 If you want to bring prices down, you break the cartel.

spk_0 For example, early decision should not be allowed

spk_0 because if someone goes ED in hopes of getting a higher chance

spk_0 of being admitted, once they're admitted,

spk_0 they have no ability to shop around and shop for prices.

spk_0 Universities should not be raising their tuition

spk_0 and lock step.

spk_0 Universities should not be sharing information

spk_0 on financial aid because all they're doing

spk_0 is transferring leverage from the consumer,

spk_0 the parents and the kids such that they can't shop around

spk_0 and get the best price.

spk_0 If you are not growing your freshman class faster

spk_0 than in population growth, you lose your tax-free status

spk_0 because you're no longer a public servant,

spk_0 you're a hedge fund with a class.

spk_0 There are easier ways, better ways, more competitive ways

spk_0 to get it, bringing the prices down than price caps.

spk_0 We want as many as full freight paying foreign students

spk_0 as possible.

spk_0 This is one of the highest margin exports we have.

spk_0 And the idea of thought control,

spk_0 it just goes to weird places.

spk_0 And by the way, if this isn't done through Congress,

spk_0 guess what?

spk_0 President Moore,

spk_0 President Newsom, President Bashir,

spk_0 they're just gonna dial all this shit back.

spk_0 Right, it's useless.

spk_0 It's useless.

spk_0 And this is their shot, I think.

spk_0 What is your, is that your win-end?

spk_0 Yeah, I just, I wrapped them all into one.

spk_0 I bought it.

spk_0 All right, okay, I have two.

spk_0 Obviously speaking of thought control,

spk_0 I think my fail is watching,

spk_0 watching what OpenAI did here

spk_0 with this back and forth on copyright.

spk_0 What a mess.

spk_0 What a ridiculous theory.

spk_0 I'm sorry, I ccused Facebook of it.

spk_0 I've accused Google of it.

spk_0 Same thing.

spk_0 This is just ridiculous.

spk_0 You respect copyright.

spk_0 You do not try to build a business

spk_0 of other people's things and then act like it's no big deal.

spk_0 It is a big deal.

spk_0 You're stealing other people's things

spk_0 and the things that are most attractive on your site

spk_0 are copyrighted material that you didn't make.

spk_0 If you want to make new things, go for you.

spk_0 That's great, but otherwise your thieves,

spk_0 your, as Walt Mossberg says, again and again,

spk_0 they were repacious information thieves.

spk_0 You don't own this, get your dirty mitts off of it

spk_0 or pay the people who made it in the first place.

spk_0 You're killing people's jobs.

spk_0 You're also not gonna take their seed corn at the same time.

spk_0 And I hope that, I hope there's all kinds of lawsuits

spk_0 to do so.

spk_0 Unfortunately, people have to sue

spk_0 and that puts them on their back feet,

spk_0 especially when their industries are dying.

spk_0 For my win, obviously Taylor Swift,

spk_0 I would recommend watching the fate of Ophelia

spk_0 official music video.

spk_0 It's fantastic.

spk_0 It's a really great album.

spk_0 I know a lot of white guys are like,

spk_0 okay, it's really great, but like they,

spk_0 all the reviews are like,

spk_0 oh, you're a dirty politics, all the white guys.

spk_0 No, I get ridiculous.

spk_0 They write the same review.

spk_0 They're like, this woman is spectacular and yet,

spk_0 and yet they can't possibly just give her a win.

spk_0 And by the way, $46 million at the box office,

spk_0 that's all I have to say.

spk_0 And in that reign of winning, I also love this guy.

spk_0 There's two things.

spk_0 One is the Pope, fantastic, winner,

spk_0 is this YouTube greeter guy named Troy Hawk,

spk_0 who goes around and compliments people,

spk_0 and he's built a huge following.

spk_0 I would recommend you watching him.

spk_0 If I had ankles like that,

spk_0 they would also be on full display.

spk_0 You know what I'm talking about?

spk_0 I love your shades.

spk_0 You're like a benign motorcycle cop.

spk_0 And I like the way that you're embracing.

spk_0 I'd like your concepts and conversations seamlessly,

spk_0 just jumping on board my train.

spk_0 Two, two.

spk_0 It is so enjoyable.

spk_0 This is where social media shines,

spk_0 where people like this are there,

spk_0 like whether it's Taylor Swift,

spk_0 providing great content,

spk_0 whether it's the YouTube festival greeter guy,

spk_0 whether it's the Pope.

spk_0 Let me tell you, there's a quote,

spk_0 I'm going to read to you, Scott Galloway.

spk_0 That is very, it's probably a little over your head.

spk_0 Probably.

spk_0 But I'm going to read it anyway.

spk_0 There is not any advantage to be won

spk_0 from Grim Lamentation.

spk_0 That's from Homer.

spk_0 That's not be Grim Lamentators here, guys.

spk_0 I don't think that's a word.

spk_0 Make things win at the bar.

spk_0 Is that something you talk about at your favorite bar in DC?

spk_0 No, I'm just saying, don't be fucking grim about it.

spk_0 This ice people fight back.

spk_0 Be don't sit around and tell us what to ice.

spk_0 What are we doing here?

spk_0 I am just saying, Lamentate,

spk_0 make things that matter,

spk_0 that people buy, that do well economically,

spk_0 say things that are lovely to people,

spk_0 make them feel better.

spk_0 Win by hope.

spk_0 That's all I'm saying.

spk_0 Win by being great.

spk_0 That's what I'm saying.

spk_0 Win by being great.

spk_0 Word, sister, word, sister.

spk_0 No Lamentation.

spk_0 We are not going to do that.

spk_0 These ice people fuck them.

spk_0 Let's figure out a way to win.

spk_0 Reminds me of my favorite poem.

spk_0 There once was a girl from Nantucket.

spk_0 Oh wait, never mind.

spk_0 Never mind.

spk_0 Grim Lamentation.

spk_0 We shall not have it.

spk_0 I noticed you didn't mention your former firm

spk_0 getting dumped by crackerbite.

spk_0 Oh yeah.

spk_0 I miss your.

spk_0 I forgot about that.

spk_0 Profit, right?

spk_0 I forgot about that.

spk_0 So I can't resist.

spk_0 Very quickly.

spk_0 Tell the story rather quickly.

spk_0 I went to work in Morgan Stanley, hated it.

spk_0 And they hated me.

spk_0 Oh, I did okay there.

spk_0 So I went back to business school.

spk_0 Business school is for the elite in the aimless.

spk_0 In my second year, I took this course called Brand Strategy.

spk_0 David Ocker changed my life.

spk_0 And I decided in my second year of business school

spk_0 to start a business called Profit Brand Strategy.

spk_0 And was there for 10 years?

spk_0 Sold my stake.

spk_0 Very proud of it.

spk_0 It's now I think six or 700 people.

spk_0 And it ends up they were the brand strategy

spk_0 from the recommended, the logo change.

spk_0 And now they're the sacrificial lamb.

spk_0 They just got fired.

spk_0 They got fired.

spk_0 Cracker Bell.

spk_0 Because how does a logo become politicized?

spk_0 I'm not entirely, I don't know what happened there.

spk_0 But everyone was in the...

spk_0 So that guy was based on you, the crackerbite guy I guess.

spk_0 Yeah, clearly, it was clearly a nod to me.

spk_0 I'm like, at that firm, I'm like Trotsky.

spk_0 The CEO was a difficult person.

spk_0 And basically, like my name shall not be mentioned

spk_0 at Profit anymore.

spk_0 They had a 30 or get this, they had a 20 year reunion

spk_0 and then they didn't invite me.

spk_0 So good.

spk_0 Well, I blame it all on you.

spk_0 Anyway, I started it when I was 20.

spk_0 And now it's the crackerbite.

spk_0 Crackerbite.

spk_0 Now it's been fired by Crackerbite,

spk_0 which is a unique designation for a company.

spk_0 Anyway, we want to hear from you.

spk_0 Send us your question about business tech

spk_0 or whatever's on your mind.

spk_0 Go to nymag.com slash pivot

spk_0 to submit a question for the show

spk_0 or call 85551 pivot.

spk_0 And reminder, we're going on tour.

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spk_0 Toronto, Toronto, Toronto, Toronto, Boston, New York, DC,

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spk_0 They went for 65 bucks.

spk_0 Now they're going for 250.

spk_0 Scalped.

spk_0 Let's stay away from scalpers and third party sellers.

spk_0 We should have added more nights in certain cities.

spk_0 It's Canadians, like eight bucks.

spk_0 We're not fans of scalpers, but we're going to sell out.

spk_0 We are going to sell.

spk_0 So by soon.

spk_0 And elsewhere in the carer and Scott universe,

spk_0 this week on on with Cara Swisher,

spk_0 I spoke with makeup mogul Bobby Brown.

spk_0 Let's listen to a clip where she talks about

spk_0 the running of her company.

spk_0 I used to interview every single person, you know,

spk_0 not every person, but most of the people I would interview.

spk_0 And when all of a sudden these people started showing up

spk_0 and like, hi, I'm your new head of international.

spk_0 Hi, I'm this and I'm like, excuse me.

spk_0 I didn't meet them.

spk_0 Well, we we think they're going to be the best for the brand.

spk_0 We think this, we think this.

spk_0 So I wasn't included in what to me was important,

spk_0 which you know, was running and growing the brand.

spk_0 And when I left, it was a billion dollars.

spk_0 It was a growing, growing brand.

spk_0 She sold her company to SD Lauder and then eventually,

spk_0 after decades lost control of it and then started Jones Road.

spk_0 She's a really interesting entrepreneur.

spk_0 It's a great discussion.

spk_0 Okay, that's the show.

spk_0 Thanks for listening to Pivot.

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spk_0 Today's show was produced by Larry Neiman,

spk_0 Zoe Marcus and Taylor Griffin.

spk_0 Earnier Todd Entry, this episode Jim Mackle edited the video.

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