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New iPad Pro leaks, Powerbeats Fit, notification summary UI oddities
In this episode, the hosts discuss the recent Cincinnati Reds playoff elimination and Apple's innovative use of iPhones for filming baseball games. They also explore the peculiarities of the noti...
New iPad Pro leaks, Powerbeats Fit, notification summary UI oddities
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Mayo, you know that I'm always down to talk baseball on this podcast and you've actually
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added something baseball related to the show notes on a set you off.
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But honestly, if there's ever a week where I didn't want to talk baseball, it's this
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week because the Cincinnati Reds made the playoffs.
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They backed into a playoff spot somehow, played the Dodgers in a best of three game series,
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and they were eliminated last night.
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So my baseball hey, this is about to begin.
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I'm exhausted from watching this baseball team.
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This is an episode two where I wish you knew just enough about baseball where I could
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rant to you about some of the mistakes the Reds made.
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Need to have like John Gruber or Jason Stell on the show just so we can talk about baseball
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for a bit.
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Was it bad?
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It was bad.
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It was very bad.
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Have you seen the IT crowd?
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The IT crowd?
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It's a UK sitcom.
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No, I did not understand that it's not.
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Well, an awful display was on last night.
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That's a reference.
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Okay, reference not acknowledged.
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Yeah, exactly.
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But the baseball thing that you added to the show notes is actually pretty cool.
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It's that Apple used iPhones to shoot some footage for Friday night baseball the past
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two weeks of games.
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So the first time they did it, they didn't advertise it to anybody.
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They just kind of did it in secret using iPhone 17 pros around the stadium to get certain
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shots and certain angles.
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Then presumably that test went well.
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So they announced formally that they were going to use iPhones to shoot at the Tigers and
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Red Sox game.
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This was last Friday.
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That game on Apple TV plus Friday night baseball.
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The last Friday night baseball season, right?
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By all indications, it seems like it was a success.
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They had iPhone 17 pros placed in four different spots throughout Fenway Park, including
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right inside the dugout and on the green monster in left field, which sidebar, when you
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got the embargo on this, you first immediately texted me, what is a green monster?
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Which was.
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When they told me they're like, we put an iPhone on the green monster.
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I was like, okay.
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You know why they did the Red Sox though?
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It's because Phil Schiller is a huge Red Sox fan.
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So he was probably in Kahoodson on that one.
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Have you seen, by the way, if you seen Phil Schiller popping off on Sora?
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He made a video of himself.
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There's one speaking of the Red Sox.
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There's one where the caption is like, a young Phil Schiller playing for the Boston Red
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Sox or something.
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But yes, he is always the first to jump on new social media.
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He was on.
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He's on Instagram, right?
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Yeah.
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He's on the Reds.
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He follows me on Blue Sky for whatever reason.
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But anyway, yeah, this shot on iPhone stuff at Friday night baseball is pretty impressive,
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I think.
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Yes, I mean, it's just a fun ad right at the end of the day.
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But they did it, they did it not last week, the week before.
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And the footage was actually shown on the broadcast.
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They just didn't turn anybody.
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It was iPhone footage.
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And in this week, they obviously made a big PR play for it.
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And when the iPhone shots were on screen, they put like a shot on iPhone logo in the corner
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of the screen, obviously because it's advertising.
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But the quality of the footage looks pretty good.
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I mean, I think some people were being a bit super, it didn't be like, this looks identical
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to the other broadcast cameras that they used.
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And I'm like, I think if you look close enough, you don't have the same depth of the field,
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it's not quite the same quality.
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If the iPhones were that good, they used them for every camera stadium.
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And they used them for four or not 40 or whatever it is.
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And the iPhones are being used for simpler shots than what the other cameras are being used
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for track work.
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The other cameras are used for tracking fly balls, doing up close shots on the picture.
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Like all of that more intense stuff where the iPhones, at least the clips I saw, were kind
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of more like static, static.
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Yeah, that's a good word.
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I think it was on a roaming rig, but yeah, they can't use it for the shots where you like
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hit the base, but when it flies across the stadium, because you need someone to be like
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actively zooming, right?
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With 100x range.
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And obviously the iPhone doesn't provide that.
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But nevertheless, it's a good demo and a good show off.
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And if they didn't put the shot on iPhone monoka on it, I think it would have just
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been accepted and people would not know that's cool.
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And I was quite happy that it seems like they didn't reuse, like all the equipment they
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used was pretty commercial.
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So they just had like a lens and they used the black magic camera dock, which you can buy
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and it's like $250 and they had some cables and stuff and the iPhone.
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But it wasn't like they were then like using like 50 ground rigs, you know, to make the
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iPhones work.
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It was relatively bare bones.
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Obviously, it's all going into a very expensive mixer and all this other stuff.
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But as a demonstration, I thought it was pretty nice.
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And I was kind of expecting them to do like a follow up ad or a video about it, like behind
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the scenes, they're throwing out baseball, shot on iPhone, like a couple of days after,
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but they didn't do that.
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But they did provide us with some nice photos.
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So you can see it in the story of what it looks like.
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Are they going to do it?
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Is this going to become a regular staple?
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Like 2025 or 2026?
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Are they going to do it?
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I don't know.
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But it was a cool one off at least.
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Well, we still don't even know if Friday night baseball is necessarily coming back for 2026.
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We're still waiting.
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True.
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We're still waiting on the official rights announcements from MLB about who's getting
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what for next year with the ESPN deal imploding.
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And there was that one report that said Apple was going to bail all together on baseball.
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Then there's been some follow up reporting saying that that's not true.
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It seems like they're not going to get the Sunday night games, but they're going to carry on doing
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Friday night baseball seems to be the latest consensus from the room.
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But yeah, it was a cool little stunt they did.
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I was annoyed that you got the briefing on the baseball topic.
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It cannot be.
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Because you told me you had a briefing about something to do with Friday night baseball.
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I said, oh, that sounds more like my alley than the guy who doesn't know what the green monster is.
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Anyway, you spotted something or realized something in the messages app.
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I think now that you have a main daily phone that you're using that has Apple intelligence support,
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specifically when it comes to the summary feature in the messages app, right?
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Yeah.
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I mean, I guess like in the back of my head, I've noticed this before, but it's never quite the same
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when you're compared to doing it on test devices, right?
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And even the message app on the laptop does it as well.
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And obviously I have an M1 Mac, so it does it on there.
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But you mostly message on your phone.
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And now I've been living with the iPhone Air and upgrading from the 4-in-Pro.
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So now I'm actually using that for Asian summaries on the regular.
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The thing that kind of like is a bit jarring is that if you have a,
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like if you send me three messages in a row, it's probably going to summarize it, right?
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And it cuts the little summary on the on the label on the cell of your name.
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But then as soon as you click on it, it gets rid of it.
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So like if I see a little summary, I click on it.
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I don't answer.
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I don't even type anything.
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And then I just press back.
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It then deletes the summary and just replaces it with the text of the last message that was sent.
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Mm-hmm.
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And it's just a bit odd.
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Like I quite regularly will like look at a conversation and they're like, okay,
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I'm going to answer that later.
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So I'll go back.
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But you just lose the continuity because the summary changes.
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It's the mail app doesn't do it, right?
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The mail app summaries.
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It summarized the email.
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You click in the email.
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You read the email if you want to.
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You go back.
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It doesn't just delete the summary.
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The moment you click on the conversation, but for summaries and the messages that does, it's very old.
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The one that gets me that relates to that is if you are in a conversation in the messages app,
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then you leave the messages app to go do something else.
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But that conversation keeps going specifically in a group chat.
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You go back to the messages app.
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It takes you right back to that conversation, right?
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And if you go back to the main view of the messages app, that thread has been like marked as red or whatever.
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So you never see a summary for that conversation.
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Mm-hmm.
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Which happened to me yesterday when I'm in a group chat with my sisters.
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And we were talking about something that they started going on a side conversation about something I didn't care about.
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So I left the chat.
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I would have liked to come back and see a summary of that, but not possible with the current interface.
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Yeah, because the summary is only shown the list view, right?
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Like if you're in the conversation thread, you almost need it.
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You know, they have that little arrow they added a couple of releases ago, where if there's a bunch of messages overnight
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and you go back in the conversation, it has like a little arrow, which can like take you to the last unwritten message.
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That arrow should maybe have like the little summary text attached to you, like tap on the arrow,
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and then it tells you a summary of the messages that come after.
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Because I actually get quite a lot of value other notifications summaries.
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Yeah.
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I'm certainly not going to turn them off.
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They're a best harmless in my experience.
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And in some cases, quite useful.
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Like if you know, it makes more sense for group chats than individual chats, but still it works.
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And especially on the watch, funnily, I know it's like an iPhone feature,
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but it mirrors the summaries to the watch in like my Facebook Messenger group chat.
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And you know, this message isn't there all the time.
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The summary come to the watch and it's like at the very top when you get the little bundle of notifications
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on the watch face, you know, in the notification on the watch, it will put the summary at the very top.
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And multiple times since getting the iPhone air now, I haven't actually needed to like scroll
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with the digital crown on my watch to read all the messages because I just relied on the summary being good enough.
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And I'm like, okay, I know what people are talking about.
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I can figure that out later on.
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So yeah, I get value and I have a notification summaries, but they almost need to like
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show them more, you know, more commonly, especially in the messages app.
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Because like I said, you're in a conversation with a group of people,
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you tap into the conversation, the summary's gone.
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And you can't get it back.
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It's just a very, it almost feels a bit like hacked or not something like that.
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You know, the system just doesn't, it doesn't work the way it would intuitively expect it to.
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It's like doing a delete behavior where you don't expect a deletion to happen.
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So hopefully they can improve on that.
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But that was just something that kind of stuck out to me now that I've actually been using
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the iPhone air full time for, you know, a couple of weeks.
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But you have the summaries on, right?
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I do. And one thing I was just trying to figure out,
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unless I'm forgetting it is you don't see summaries on threads that you have pinned in the messages app
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either. Do you?
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See, I don't use pin messages.
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Let me see. I probably have.
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I believe you're correct because there's no, there's no place in the UI to show them.
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Yeah, no, I don't see them.
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And I have an unread group message right there.
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So that's an, they want you to use pinned messages and then they don't add the feature to pinned messages.
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It's first, it's one of the examples about some of the
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user interface elements of Apple intelligence that just don't click right with me.
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And I think a lot of people writing tools is the other big example of that where I think
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writing tools as a feature is great.
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It's just as good as a lot of other LLM grammatical tools.
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But the interface just isn't meant for working with big, large amounts of text.
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And it's just an example of the interface not catching up with the power of the feature.
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It's almost like this is the prototype version, you know?
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But this is behavior like this since it came out with iOS 18.2,
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which is now what a year ago.
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So they haven't changed it.
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And I think it's got quite a lot of value.
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And the, I don't, I think at the moment I
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put on the notification, the summaries for every application.
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Like I just did all categories, just try out.
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That's what I do.
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And I don't get, I turn off quite aggressively notifications for a lot of apps anyway.
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So some apps I just don't get them for.
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But I haven't yet hit a summary when I like this is just actively bad.
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But I probably eventually turned some of them off.
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But it's, it's most useful for like the group chat context.
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I also have the priority notifications thing turned on.
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Oh, I hate that feature.
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Nope.
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So I'm probably going to turn that one off.
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Yeah.
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I actually think it does a decent job at like picking out notifications that are more important than
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other ones. But I human curate my notifications quite aggressively.
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So it's kind of redundant for me.
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But if I'm thinking of a regular user who just like presses yes on notifications for every
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single app, this might be a way to kind of get out of notification bankruptcy for them
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instead of having to like go into that list of 300 apps and then manually sort it out,
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sort them out.
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Because you could just be like, okay, only receive set your focus mode.
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So you get the intelligence breakthrough for the priority notifications and nothing else.
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And I actually think it does a decent job.
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But like siphoning the phrase, the the chat from the something from the something.
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There's some phrase about siphoning the chat or something.
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Anyway, basically getting the good stuff and burying the bad stuff that you don't care about.
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So yeah, I was really impressed with it.
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But if you've already gone through the effort of like painstaking tweaking
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notifications settings to run into your life, you then you don't really need it.
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The animation is cool though.
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It's got a cool effect on the screen.
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I am meticulous about which apps can send notifications.
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And then I also use focus modes on top of that, which obviously further gives me the flexibility
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to control what notifications I see at the time of day.
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So no real use for priority notifications for me either.
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I think if you if you're a brand new user to the ecosystem,
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they should have it turned on and it should like be the default for the Apple Watch.
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Because I think you get so much more benefit of the Apple Watch by having less things like if
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you have every single thing buzz your wrist, then it becomes like unwieldy, untenable.
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And people just hate their watches.
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This is a good automatic default that they should employ.
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At the moment, I think there a bit hesitant to do that because obviously the Watch can't do
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pronovacations independently. It has to rely on the iPhone to sort it out.
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But in the fullness of time, they're weird to rectify that.
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And then I think it's a decent system.
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But it is one of those features that the first time somebody misses the notification
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because that feature is on by default, they're going to be very frustrated and they're
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going to turn it off altogether. The first time it fails, people give up.
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True.
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But I guess on the iPhone, like even if you don't, you can do it so that it doesn't like
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actively not send you notifications at all, right?
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It just puts the ones that most important in a separate group at the top.
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And then you can still scroll down and see the rest of them, which I guess is the current default.
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So it's less aggressive than like actively blocking them out.
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Obviously, if you go into the reduce interruptions,
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focus mode, or you turn on the intelligent breakthrough stuff manually,
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then it is obviously pruning.
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But the default is quite safe.
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And we are what now a couple of weeks after the 26th release and the BBC hasn't got
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mad yet that they tell the notification summaries back on.
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Do I think they've changed the models in a different way since they still blow up?
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Not really, but well, they've certainly made them less aggressive in summarizing.
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I think when it gets the confused now, it just kind of gives you a list of names from
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people mentioned in the...
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It loves a semi-colon.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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It just says like pronoun, semi-colon,
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pronoun, semi-colon,
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pronoun.
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But yeah, I am getting value on those summaries in general.
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There's just some weird UI nonsense that could be cleaned up a lot.
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It's been a big week in your house this week right, Mayo, because your vacuum has gotten
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Now it's got matter 1.4. And it's a surprisingly big improvement, I think.
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It actually makes... I don't know how much of it is necessary related to the additional features.
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You get from 1.2. Maybe they've just been working on the firmware for a few months. It feels a bit
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And it was one of the first ones that rolled out matter support to work in the home app, right?
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So it appears in Apple Home. There are other options on the market now for sure. But this is the
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to go into. You get a few more options terms of like picking the speeds and picking the settings,
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which you couldn't really do before. You had to use the third part. You have to do that. But now you
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can do it inside the home app. And one thing that really got on my nerves was I would ask the
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home pod start the vacuum, right? And it would do it before. But the top of the home pod would glow
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for like five seconds while the vacuum is now often starting, right? You can hear the fans starting
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to go and it's starting to clean. And then after about five seconds, the home pod go,
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sorry, your accessory is taking a while to respond. Even though it's often doing it, right?
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It's in operation. It's doing exactly what I asked it to. But for whatever reason, the kind of like
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the reply response wasn't making its way through the protocol. And then so the home pod wouldn't know
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that the vacuum had understood and was actually doing it. With the 1.4 update, it just start the vacuum
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off it goes and it shuts up immediately. So that's just an example of the kind of like weird
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buggingness of the integration that isn't there anymore. So it makes it a lot more of a
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solid recommendation. And I'll probably write better on the site sometime this month. Because it
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actually feels like proper now. There are still to be fair, there's still a couple of buttons in the
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home app integration that's exposed to the home app that don't work. Like there's a the one that's
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like play sound to locate me is a button that appears in the home app, but you click on it and nothing
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happens. This is the same on the on the older software as well. And I've Googled it and loads of people
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have this problem, not just with the switch bot one with the other, you know, the robot on the
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manufacturers too. I don't know whether it's apples full or matters for who's fault, but the button
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shows up and it doesn't do anything. And then the on the old integration, the return to dock button
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also wouldn't work in the home app. It would show it there at the bottom, but you click on it and
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the vacuum would just ignore it. On the 1.4 version, the return to dock button does work.
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That's good. That's an important feature, I feel like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So obviously you could do it
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through the switch, the switch app, right? And my big question now though is that I don't know what
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voice commands, the Siri implementation supports, because it's a vacuum and a mob. I've called it a
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vacuum in the app in the home app. And I can say start the vacuum, but like it doesn't go into the
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mop mode, like I don't know what I can say to it to make it do stuff, you know, apart from start and stop.
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Which is a limitation. And I think there are commands I can use the, there's more voice commands you
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could ask it, but Apple has no documentation anywhere on the kind of things you've had to be
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asked it and find out what happens. Like in this 1.4 update, the home app will no show the different
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zones of the house where the vacuum is mapped it out. And so you can like in the UI, check the boxes
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and say, I only want you to vacuum a mop in this room, in this room. Again, functionality that
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was previously only available through the proprietary app. And I'm sure if I know the right
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incantation, you could probably get it to do it with voice as well, but I haven't figured it out.
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And there's nowhere I can look to find it. Like there's no list of all the possible home app commands
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for the matter accessories. So one day I'm going to say something and it's going to figure it out.
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But until then, I just kind of either stick to what I know or I take random stabs in the dark
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and find out what things I can do with my voice. So are you mainly using the home
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kid integration just for voice control with the home pods and Siri? Yeah. You're not doing much
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with like automations or manual control in the home app? No. Not because you couldn't, just because
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I don't really know what I want. Like I don't vacuum or mop on a regular basis, you know, like
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well that's the point of having someone, somebody or something do it for you. You should set a
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schedule. But it feels a bit wasteful to be like, yeah, I guess you don't have like pets or anything.
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Yeah, exactly. So I obviously I live in the living room, right? And obviously one of the problems
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with robot vacuum is they can't climb stairs. So it's confined to the downstairs spaces, which is like
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the living room in the kitchen, right? And the entrance and stuff. And so I'm in there all the time.
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If I think it's dirty, I'll go, I'll say start the vacuum or click the button in the home app, right?
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I haven't really found a thing where I'm like every Monday at this time I want you to do it on
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schedule because, you know, what if I'm not home, what if I'm doing a call when it's too loud,
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because it gets quite noisy or whatever. So that kind of stuff I haven't fully figured out what
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would match with my lifestyle really. And the proprietary switch button has even more complicated
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and fine grained schedules. You can set up and, you know, it has all these different features.
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But I don't use any of them either because not because it can do it, just because I haven't
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figured out what I actually wanted to do. So yeah, I just tell it on command and it takes, you know,
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two seconds as I'm walking through the kitchen to talk to the home, put in the kitchen, be like,
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vacuum, please, you know, and then off it goes. And still, even with a robot vacuum,
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okay, you know, less often, but you still kind of have to go around with the vacuum as well,
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just because there's bits and, you know, corners, it doesn't quite pick up or certain dust and stuff,
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it's never going to get all, you know, surfaces, it's never going to dust down, whereas you can
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take the wireless vacuum cleaner I've got and just, you know, do it manually. But it definitely helps
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in the mopping, I never mop the floor ever. Now you get nice shiny wood and floor and stuff. So,
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yeah, I'm happy with it, but yeah, I don't reuse any of the automation side of life.
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I've been telling Emily that now that there's proper homekits support for some of these that I'd
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like to get one and try it out and she is not on board with the idea of a robot vacuum. And I think
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that's rooted in the fact that we had one from a brand called Nido in like 2020, I think, and
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their unique selling point at the time was that they supported shortcuts. So there wasn't homekits
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integration, but you could kind of automate things to a degree with your voice using shortcuts.
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That feature worked pretty well, but the overall reliability of the vacuum was just not very good.
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It would get stuck, it would just kind of go into a corner and just start banging its head into
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the wall basically like it had the Siri integration down to an impressive degree, but the actual robot
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vacuum functionality wasn't there. And they actually, I think I was just looking at up Nido is
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out of business now. So that says a lot. Not very Nido anymore. Not very Nido.
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Yeah, I mean, even the latest generation ones, they still have those kind of problems on occasion.
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And I've had it where it all like stuck up something that it's not meant to, but then it knows
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that it sucked it up, but it can't get rid of it. So it then freezes and it's like, I need help.
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There's a tango set just going off. So this is another reason why I don't do all the
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animations because you don't really want it to do it when you're not at home. Just in case you
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accidentally left like one time it got my shoelaces off my shoes. And it's like, I've been,
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you know, it's a lot of going off. But like, there's a tango. You go, you pull your shoelace back out
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and think. And so now strategically the shoes are put in a slightly different place and you can like,
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zone out an error in the map and you know, do all that kind of stuff. So it doesn't replace the
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need for manual vacuuming and you do still have to be like the nanny of it. But there's definitely times,
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you know, I'm working up here. I just say, okay, I know the kitchen's a bit dirty. I just set it
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off for half an hour and it can wash them up my floor for me. And if you've got like flat
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lower floor, like flat ground floor area, in my experience, it works pretty well.
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If you've got kids and they put in loads of like toys and stuff for the other time, it'll,
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it does a pretty good job of never getting around everything. But you know, like if there's a
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circular object, it can kind of work around it in like a hexagon. So they're still going to be
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gaps and stuff. And obviously you still want to actually clean the bit of the floor that something
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is obscure by. So if you're doing it manually, first remove the rubbish from the floor and then do
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it, this just has to like work around it. But it won't like bang into stuff. Like it won't like,
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you know, get confused or get lost. You can kind of pick it up and drop it and it figures out,
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I think it has lighter on it. So it kind of figures out where it is. Yeah. And if you like,
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I have a conservatory, but obviously the conservatory doors not always open. And it can like
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the lidar can see through the like the glass of the windows. So like it knows it's all in there.
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But sometimes it's it can't actually get in there. And other days it can. And so if you go in the
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switch button app, it will like show you where it's being and where it can't access right now.
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And stuff. Um, say obviously it's still a very basic robot, but it is a robot and it does help.
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Yeah, they're tempting because we have dogs and they do shed. So we have to vacuum a couple
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few times a week. But at the same time, you wonder if having dogs that shed,
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there's a lot of dog hair if that would make it struggle more. And the fact that there's dog toys
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laying around. And just the fact that the dogs themselves with theoretically have to be like
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locked in another room while it was vacuuming because they would try to attack the move the
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attack the moving thing on the floor. Like one of our neighbors has a like a like a robot vacuum,
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but for a lawnmower like a robot lawnmower thing that looks just like a rainbow or whatever. But the
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most the lawn. And the other day, I was out walking Blake and she, we were just peacefully walking
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and all of a sudden she goes berserk, starts barking, starts pulling, starts lunging and I'm like,
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what is happening? Are like, is there another dog or are we about to like, is the world ending?
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No, she was trying to attack that person's robot lawnmower. So that's probably reason enough for
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us to even try a robot vacuum. New beats headphones this week. This is always fun. The power
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beats fit. These are the follow up to the beats fit pro that first launched in 2022. The big news
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here I think is not necessarily any of the changes to the design or new features. It's that they've
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rebranded them from the beats fit pro to the power beats fit. That probably signals a combination of
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maybe the beats fit pro branding never really clicked with people, but also the power of the
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power beats brand name, especially with the revitalized power beats pro that launched in February.
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Because if you look at the new features of the power beats fit, they're focused a lot on improving
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the comfort compared to the feet the fit pro. Beat says they're 20% the wing tips are 20% more
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flexible. So hopefully they'll fit people better than before. Because the fit of the power beats fit
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is that they don't have ear hooks that go over your ears, but they have a small wing tip design where
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that wing tip goes like inside right above your ear canal basically. It's a unique fit. And I think
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it works well for people who don't want the ear hook design, but there definitely were some fit
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complaints about the first version. So ideally this more flexible wing tip design will help.
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Otherwise though, everything is largely the same as the beats fit pro still has the H1 chip from
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Apple. Same battery life at six hours with ANC or seven hours without.
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Charging case is a bit smaller, but still gets you a total of 30 hours on a charge.
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Four colors, jet black, gravel gray, power pink, and spark orange to match your iPhone.
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But I think the new name here is kind of the most interesting change. Is power beats like a big brand?
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Is that why they've done this? I think it's really big in like the hardcore fitness community,
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especially, I mean, the original power beats pro were so popular, like beloved, and they went
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so long without an update that I think it kind of reminds me of Apple trying to abandon the MacBook
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Air name. They didn't recognize the brand power of the MacBook Air and I think beans ran into
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something similar with the power beats brand name. And it just makes it look like you have a more
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cohesive product line too because beats make so many headphones and so many different shapes and
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sizes. Having the power beats pro and now the power beats fit as two options in the category of
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earbuds that have something additional to keep them in your ears. So better for high intensity
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sports. I think that makes sense. Yeah, it's clever, but it's basically just a name change, right?
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A name change, yeah. Still like still the it's like the AirPods Max still the old chip inside. No new
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software features really. Just an orange comes an orange. It does I got the orange once in for review
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yesterday and it matches perfectly with the iPhone 17 Pro. Yes, you had that photo right where you
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had the those were the power beats pro. Okay, that's the power. It's right. Okay, but the beats or
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the forget I forget that headphone manufacturers can possibly make more than one color or something. I
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know it's revolutionary thinking. You tell me that beats had made orange headphones like a year ago.
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Headphones only come in white and that's it. Unless you get the headphones that they don't care
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about. Then they come in like five colors. None of which are black still. But yeah, basically just
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like a branding update. They obviously come on the heels of AirPods Pro 3 2.
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Maybe you put in our note here that you've seen some reports on Reddit particularly where AirPods
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Pro 3 are kind of divisive in terms of how they fit. The airpods subreddit is no api really. Yeah,
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there is a lot more. And complaining and you would think because the change in fit like we talked
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about it is not drastic. I don't think like the overall shape is still mostly the same. The
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difference is the tips are angled a little bit differently and the tips have the foam infusion
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on the inside. Those are the two big changes, which I wouldn't think would be enough to really
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frustrate people. But I guess I'm wrong. I have seen dozens of subreddit threads
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on the AirPods subreddit of people saying they've tried AirPods, sorry, they hurt too much,
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they're returning them. Wow. Loads. And you then have a event diagram people who say don't like how
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they sound. People don't like the high vibrancy of them or whatever the different sound signature.
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Then there's a load of people saying, well, if you change the set in this set in turn off,
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headphone accommodations and then do this, that's because there's problems. There's also some
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people that are moaning about the hissiness of transparency mode. I've seen that. I have not
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experienced that at all. But the number one complaint I've seen is definitely about fit. Like
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more people than I thought have upgraded from AirPods Pro 2 or AirPods Pro 1 and been like,
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I don't like how these feel. Interesting. I don't know whether the foam earbuds like for some people take
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a while to adjust your ears. Like do you get used to it? If you've been living with silicon
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tip ones for five years, you know, and then you put these in and then maybe they're a bit bigger
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and then it takes a few days for your ears to let adjust and you get happy with them. But a lot of
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returns on the AirPods subreddit for sure. I have definitely seen some people say that the fit gets
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better in the first week or two. Like I know on upgrade last week, Jason, SNL and my curly
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were complaining. Their first impressions of AirPods Pro 3 were pretty negative, I think.
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But if you take the upgrade opinion from the last week, that's like on the regular on the
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AirPods subreddit. But I was going to say this week they both seem to be coming around to the
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new design and saying that it works better for them and they've gotten used to it after a week.
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I guess it's kind of like, maybe it's like when you get a new pair of shoes and initially you're like,
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oh, I don't know if these fit quite right. Then you break them in. Yeah. Like maybe that's the foam
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aspect of it. That's weird though, because for me it was instantly better. And it seemed like for
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most, if not all of the people who reviewed them under embargo, it was at least the same if not
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better. Yeah. It is interesting though in terms of how they how Apple is balancing the fit versus
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wanting to improve noise cancellation. Like they clearly thought the tradeoff of maybe
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making some people mad by slightly changing the fit was worth it to improve ANC.
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For me, that's a that's the proper tradeoff. But again, that's because they feel great in my
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ears. And that's apparently not the case for everyone. It's interesting as well that the
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with AirPods non-prose when they did the AirPods 3, which had that quite dramatically different
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design to the AirPods 1 and 2. The AirPods 2 actually kept being sold, right? And there were
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quite a few number of people like, I don't like heavy AirPods Pro 3. They thought out my ears
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a little bit, but they carried on selling AirPods 2 for a long time. So it didn't really matter.
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Maybe they consider doing that as well for the threes. And then you could have like a series.
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You could just choose the one that fits you best. I don't know, but maybe they didn't
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anticipate there'd be this many people. And maybe it's not that many people. Maybe it's just the
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the vocal minority, but I probably think my algorithm on the on Reddit app is full of people
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complaining about the AirPods 3. I wonder if they could sell a wonder if they could sell separate
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ear tips that you could attach to the new AirPods Pro design. But maybe those ear tips don't have
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foam. Because I would imagine that it's not the angle at which the earbuds sit now, but more so
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the foam that's frustrating people. I don't know. I just opened the red app while we were talking
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four hours ago. Another AirPods Pro 3 return. That's a post. That's about the fit.
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AirPods pre-wistling sounds. AirPods 3 ANC problems. AirPods Pro 3 returns.
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AirPods 3 don't cancel noise. AirPods 3 not connecting. Honestly, like you'd be surprised.
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This is like we saw the initial reviews come out and obviously you did your coverage as well.
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Pretty positive universally. I'm sure the product is great overall too, but there was a lot more
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dissent than I expected from the Reddit at least. I guess it's a highly personal thing.
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How something fits in your ears. So it's an AirPods Pro Fit hasn't changed in generation 1 or
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generation 2. So it's been the same since 2019. Is that when the first AirPods Pro came out?
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So the first change at all to the form factor since then. You're bound to upset some people.
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But this is a lot of reports. More than I would have expected.
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It's kind of crazy that we're about to talk about a story like this again for the second time
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in a year because remember last year an unboxing video of the M4 MacBook Pro leaked on YouTube before
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it was even announced. And now this year that same YouTuber has somehow obtained the M5 iPad Pro
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which hasn't been announced and posted a full unboxing video this week. And you do remember what the
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big the big thing was about like Sherlock Holmes in the the MacBook Pro last year. And I'm pretty
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sure I was on this cam too. I said, these can't be real because the wallpaper on the box.
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Barca. Yep. And what did they do? They came up with a new map version with the exact same wallpaper.
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And what is this? Is it M5 iPad Pro with the exact same wallpaper? Yep. And now we trust this guy too.
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So there's no reason to think this isn't true. Even though if you put the M4 and the M5 iPad Pro
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right by right side by side by each other, don't think you could tell a difference.
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Unless you can see the second camera right which is a big sticking point because that's something
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Mark German reported was in development. And this video, if there's a second camera there,
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this video makes no mention of it and you can't tell based on looking at the product.
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I think the second camera is there. You do? I'm skeptical. He's hard to tell but
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I think someone, some other Russian person got it as well. And they had a slightly different video
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with a slight clearer photo of the second camera. I think that video insinuated that it's not
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a second camera but more so some sort of second sensor for like desk view or something.
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What does desk view do? It's a camera. I mean, kind of? I don't know. I mean, desk view uses an
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ultra wide camera and it just tilts the thing. So it's going to be a FaceTime camera on the other side.
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Not a FaceTime camera. Not a FaceID. Not FaceID. Yeah. FaceTime.
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I think a FaceID essentially on the other side would be more useful. Yes, sort of.
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I didn't expect that when Mark German first reported about the two camera lens thing.
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Ever since, it's annoying me even more. The rare times I used my iPad, I always pick it up and put
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my fingers over the FaceID sensor. And it's always like, the FaceID sensor is covered.
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I'm like, if I add a camera on the other side, I wouldn't have this problem. If I had a FaceID
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sensor on the other side, it wouldn't have been from, but that's not what this is. It's just for like
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doing video conferencing, right? But yeah, the M5 iPad Pro design wise is basically identical.
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The most interesting thing here is it's our first look at the M5 chip. So there's some benchmark
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results in the video. It has a nine core CPU, which is the same as the M4 iPad Pro. It's around
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10% faster in single core performance and 15% faster in multi-core performance. In Geekbench
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testing, the Metal graphics performance is up 38% compared to the M4. And in two to testing,
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the GPU is about 8% better. I think for the most part, that's what we've expected for the M5 chip.
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Yeah, because the base architecture is what you see in the A19 Pro. Yep. So if you look at the
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differences in the A18 Pro and A19 Pro, you get a pretty good, you know, you can extrapolate from
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that to get what the M5 would be. So yeah, this is about right. The big GPU bump is partly because of
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the, like, what do they call them, neural accelerators that they put in all the GPU cores and stuff.
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And that will have an even more exaggerated impact when you go to the pro and the max M5s,
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because obviously they have a lot more GPU cores. The RAM thing here is also interesting. So right now,
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in the M4 iPad Pro, the 256 and 512 configurations have 8 gigabytes of RAM, and the one and two
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terabyte configurations have 16 gigabytes of RAM. The iPad Pro in the video is a 256 model,
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and it has 12 gigabytes of RAM. So that signals that those two base configurations will get a
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slight upgrade in RAM, but still not match the most expensive one and two terabyte options.
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And that kind of follows what they've done with the iPhone as well, right? Where they get the
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iPhone series, apart from the base 17 of a RAM bump this year as well. And obviously that carries
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through. Anything else on the M5 iPad Pro? I mean, this basically confirms that it's coming
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probably this month. Yeah, it's got to be out soon, right? And I think, again, the most fascinating
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thing about this is that it's happened twice now with unreleased products. The Russians are really
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good at leaking things that look identical to the... I assume I'll imagine it's because the MacBook
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Pro and the iPad Pro are made, I think, are assembled at least in Vietnam a lot,
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and other Apple products like the iPhone are not made or assembled in Vietnam. So that's the
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speculation I've seen about where these leaks are coming from. It's Foxconn in Vietnam somehow.
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I don't know if that's true, but I did see that somebody commented on this guy's video and said,
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show us the new MacBook Pro next and the channel liked the comment. So I wonder if the
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wonder of this guy is working on his M5 MacBook Pro video now. That's funny.
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But yeah, that is backbums. Your other source for Apple leaks this week, though.
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The FCC here in the United States. No, right now because it's shut down. That is true. Yeah,
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that source is drying up as we speak. But the FCC this week did publish some documents referencing
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unreleased model numbers for the MacBook Pro, the iPad Pro, and the Vision Pro. Again, nothing
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that you can discern from this other than further confirmation that new versions of those
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products are coming. Yeah, I mean, the Vision Pro had like a graphic that showed the physical design
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and shocker is the same as the French technical. Yeah. But this is obviously the M4,
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SXM5 spec bump. And if it's hitting the FCC, Apple applied with confidentiality, but
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they don't put them to the FCC months ahead, right? They do them just as late as they have to.
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Yeah. And so you have to imagine this is meant to come out again this month.
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There's going to be new products on October. Yeah, you're going to get the iPad Pro.
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You're going to get a Vision Pro that everyone then it'll give everybody a nice moment to be like,
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Oh, Apple doesn't know what they're doing in Vision. Because we want to buy this thing because
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it's still really expensive and all that's different is a price spec bump. But I would at least say
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it's better to sell something for three and a half grand with a modern CPU than a non-modern CPU.
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So you know, roll it over. And then the Mac Pro apparently. Yeah. And then with the
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Mac Pro, Goemon keeps saying that he doesn't know where they're coming out now or coming out
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early next year. And maybe there is a lot of you. But if they're on the FCC, you've got a thing
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they're ready. They're ready to go right. Well, and Goemon reported in power on last weekend
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that Apple is, I think he said, nearing production of the new Mac Pro with the M5 chip inside. So
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well, that Russian YouTube is nearing his video.
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That comes from the production line straight on the camera. Then Goemon also said that Apple is
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nearing production on two new external displays for the Mac. This story continues to
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perplex me because we don't know much really about what to expect from these displays.
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But this is now multiple times that he has confidently said there are two new models in the works.
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Logically, you would think that maybe one is the follow up to the studio display and one is
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follow up to the Pro display XDR. Or maybe it's two new versions of the studio display. One that's
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cheaper and one that's slightly higher end, but not as expensive as the XDR.
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Either way, though, I think of all the rumors. The idea of new external displays for Apple is
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what excites me the most. Oh, completely agree. Yeah. And Goemon for a while, he was on about the
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second-gen Pro display XDR. Then those kind of reports fell off. And then he was on about the
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second-gen studio display. And this newsletter, I feel like, is the first one he's been like,
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there's two new Mac monitors coming very soon. Like before, he was kind of just like,
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he was like, oh, maybe this new studio display coming out. It's like pluralized in print.
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So they're doing two monitors. Could it just be a studio display that's 27 and a studio
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play 32 inches, right? Because I'm kind of on, I don't have no idea, right? But I kind of don't
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think the Pro display XDR sells in anywhere near. I've quantities for them to care about it.
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Yeah, what idiot was that? Yeah, exactly. The Pro display XDR is firmly in the Mac Pro camp.
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And all we're hoping for the Mac Pro have gone out of the window. So are they really going to do
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like a whole five-grand new XDR display again? Seems unlikely to me. I kind of think they're
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going to do like a studio display. And then either a just a studio display in a different size,
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or it would be like studio display Pro. Yeah. And it's maybe the base one is still 60 hertz,
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and then the higher end one gets 120 or something, like, or a 5K versus a 6K maybe?
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Yeah, yeah. And it won't be like how the Pro display XDR has like all the different dimming
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zones and stuff. It would just be like whatever the base studio display gets is that what it will do.
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Yeah, they'll drop the weird stuff. Because the other thing that the Pro display XDR is,
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it's not even that kind of an edge anymore because it's so old, like, you can get more
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to some other people that are just better and cheaper. And so it's just kind of like four and
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out of favor. Even if you ignore the insane price. I need to be mean. It's 32 inches, so I'll give
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them that. But yeah, I could kind of see them just doing like a studio display and studio display
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32 inch model instead. And I'd be down. I've been waiting for these second generation Apple
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monitors for a long time. Maybe not to buy one, but like to at least choose, right? This is the
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moment where I'm going to choose. I'm going to get an Apple monitor or I'm going to get a third
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party monitor. And up until very recently, they weren't any compelling third party options.
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So are you tempted by this new LG UltraFine 6K display that they officially put up for pre-order
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this week? Yes. This is this was the one they first showed off at CES or kind of showed off
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at CES. I don't think anybody has ever seen it. But it looks pretty good. It's a 32 inch display
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with a 6K resolution. The same resolution as the Pro2XDR. So that's 218 pixels per inch
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as display port HDMI two Thunderbolt 5 ports and three normal USB-C ports. It's not as advanced as
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Pro2XDR and things like brightness and HDR. Yeah, it doesn't have all the dimming zones, right?
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But it is only, quote unquote, only $2,000 compared to the Pro2XDR at $5,000.
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Yeah, it's more like a studio display just in a 6K size and 32 inch size. Yeah. Yeah.
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It does take after the, or it does take after the Pro2XDR and the fact that it doesn't have speakers
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or a camera. So the design is good. At least in these pictures. It looks very studio display,
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slash Pro2XDR-ish. That's too bright including the stand, but yes. Yes. And the stand that is
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fully rotatable and height and tilt adjustable goes all the different ways. So is that cheaper than
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the Apple Studio display with the two-ing stand? I don't think so. It's close, right? It's definitely
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only close. So have a look. By-stue display, standard glass, the two-ton monitor, it's the same price.
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1,999. The thing with LG displays though is this build quality looks good on paper
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and the bezels look nice and even, but obviously you want to try it and see it in person to know
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the bezels being even is a big plus compared to some previous ultra-fran products.
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Yeah. So at least on the photos, I'm pretty pumped for it because the other thing that
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is a big decision maker for me in terms of what to buy, the Apple displays,
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the current displays only have one port. That's not true. The only have one display in.
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Oh, display it, yes. Sorry. Yes. Yes. That's what you mean.
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So because you have your PC to consider. Exactly. Yeah. I have two computers at the desk.
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And there aren't any good switches that, you know, there's not a good box where you can put in
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like a 6K signal and split it out into different laptops or different computers. It just doesn't
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never works. I've been exploring these options for the previous generation Apple monitors and never
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found anything satisfactory. The LG one has HDMI as display port, so I could plug in the Windows
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computer to one and the Thunderbolt dock for the other for the Mac and then just switch them on
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this screen. The Apple displays that they sell right now only have one port and I wouldn't be
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surprised if the new Apple displays only have one port too because they didn't expect you to use
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them with a Mac, right? But a big convenience for me is being able to use the same display across
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two computers. So that is definitely a big factor. But I would, I'm not going to rush out and pre-order
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the LG out to find 6K. Yeah. I will wait to see what the Apple displays are. I will wait to see
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the hands on with the LG display. I mean, I've been waiting a decade. I can wait a few more months,
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you know. But then one of these products is I'm going to buy. So you say within the next six months
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to a year, you'll probably have a new display. Assuming the Apple displays come out within the
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time frame. Yeah. Because at this point, I might as well wait and see what they are, right? And at
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least consider them. And if they had, because obviously the LG display doesn't have like 120 Hertz,
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right? Oh, yeah. So if the Apple displays came out and they had high refresh rate, I might buy it
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anyway, even if it did any of one port, you know, I guess I have to have two monitors on my desk.
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But if they're like, if the, if the display specs are basically identical, then I'll be more
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lean toward the LG one for the convenience of having the mobile in-bus. But as it stands right now,
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I'm happy to wait and see. I'm not buying anything. This pro display exterior is going to my grave
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even if they make a pro display XDR2. I think so. I don't, I don't think I can justify this again.
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This was a decade plus investment for sure.
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All right, I think that does it for this week. You can find us on Apple podcasts where you can
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