Keo & Zels Show – EP14: Rassie ambushes World Rugby

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spk_0 I want to hear it. I want to hear it. I want to hear the apology. The egg is gone. The

spk_0 last one. I do recall it was a 9.1 to the all blacks you said and we won't be good enough.

spk_0 Apology accepted. Mate, I did say we would be talking about the bombsquad this week.

spk_0 Your negativity astounds me. Okay, we're not going to harp on that. Let's look at the good

spk_0 news. 35 nil on the hour, 35 seven, a fantastic statement from the spring box and we can get into

spk_0 all the all blacks lost the prop, all blacks lost the player, all blacks lost their discipline.

spk_0 Forget what the all blacks didn't do. Let's for now focus on what the spring box did do.

spk_0 Incredible performance from the starting pack. Incredible performance from the seven

spk_0 who came on. Seven one bench. Can we see an eight zero bench with Colby covering at nine

spk_0 sometime in the welcome? Why not? Exactly. Why not? Why not? I mean that fantastic performance,

spk_0 everything that you'd want, all the dessert you could possibly stomach. I think it was amazing

spk_0 performance. To see the spring box or all the scrum like that and just go over the top of those guys,

spk_0 I'm not sure we can ever top that feeling. It's just incredible. Look, I don't know if we'll ever

spk_0 top that kind of performance. So when you see a game like that, you know, I was there 36 nil.

spk_0 Afrique de Sout. Angleterre is zero. Your Spanish is good. It's actually French.

spk_0 I'm not saying that's zero. And at the start of France in 2007, 36 nil is a wonderful, wonderful night.

spk_0 And we just counted them. What I loved about this test match was 41 seconds into the game.

spk_0 They get a penalty ordinarily 48 meters out. They kick to the corner and they test their liner.

spk_0 They took a scrub. Forget the holes. Forget the hacker. They lay down the gauntlet there and then

spk_0 spent 20 minutes on their trial line defending losing flants for ill discipline and getting absolutely

spk_0 assaulted in the scrum. And when that pack of seven came on early in the second half is one of

spk_0 the great sights in the world directly to see seven of the green machines.

spk_0 On your eating the charge two penalty scrums in the first two minutes that they were on. Just

spk_0 fantastic effort from the guys. And you know, we keep on talking about the statement performances.

spk_0 We weren't happy at the way the inconsistency and the the rugby championship. We did speak about was

spk_0 potentially fatigue in terms of they were trained very hard and the peak would have to come here.

spk_0 52 16 against whales. We said it's a whale seating but we'll take the performance.

spk_0 The obelettes put their best best 15 on the park to start with whether they were at the races

spk_0 monthly or not is irrelevant. You can only beat what's in front of you. We didn't beat them. We beat

spk_0 them up and 35 seven. Zels, we looked at our worst losses. 28 point differential by the way if you

spk_0 haven't heard it's the worst in the all black rugby history. Even though Jeff Wilson maintains

spk_0 they still a better team and the box can't be any better. Got it better news for you there Goldy.

spk_0 We can get better. The point is 28 points. We still love those kind of defeats. We thought we

spk_0 played well. Yeah, that was a good day at the office not too long ago. When you look at our track

spk_0 we've taken some big ones. Monster defeats. 57 0 against the all blacks. Of our top 90

spk_0 feats and the top eight the lowest is 28 points and then there's the 33 16 news England 27 points.

spk_0 Seven of those nine have been inflicted by the old foe the men in black and our biggest

spk_0 winning margin against them were 70 points back in the 70s, 1970s. So in the professional era

spk_0 we owed them a big double digit agreed and that's right 35 nil I was thinking is today the day we get

spk_0 to 50 and we give them the donut. If anything I was so disappointed with that seven points

spk_0 of the score. Yeah, I would have loved to have said all blacks or all blanks but all blacks are like

spk_0 that. They've been in the after man. They've been in happens. Okay, well we got a came through

spk_0 scored that great try and and put them on the scoreboard but I get the feeling in that game like

spk_0 the scoreboard was almost irrelevant. The spring box went out there to physically mash those guys

spk_0 and the victory I think was a nice bonus but the box came out there that had all those kickable

spk_0 penalties in the early first quarter that they usually would have put over and taken the three points

spk_0 and they're opted to set up those malls over and over and over again and I think that was just to

spk_0 put the all blacks directly in front of them and punch them in the face and that's what they did

spk_0 to grade effect. So mission accomplished. Well, you know Rassian, the often chatting term in the past

spk_0 that he always loved to say take a nice firm orange and put it in your palm of your hand

spk_0 and it's nice and firm and then squeeze it for 30 minutes without letting up. What is it feeling?

spk_0 Mushy. Mushy. Pop like a very poor narachi. So the all blacks went from this beautiful looking orange

spk_0 to a very very unappealing. Rassian always gives you these great metaphors man. It's just

spk_0 hoodie, pool and shark. He's come with two packs of forwards. That's the template to beat the

spk_0 all black guy. Because if you have two packs of forwards it doesn't matter who's wearing nine to

spk_0 15 for them and they have fantastic backs. They just won't get the ball on the front foot.

spk_0 So an incredible incredible performance and we played a hand to the world. We've said this is

spk_0 how South Africa plays. Stop us. Yeah. I remember in that series against Wales there were times

spk_0 at least once where we had issues with backline injuries and we kind of found out we had an injury

spk_0 we had to make two or three shuffles in the backline. So I don't think the box is going to go forward

spk_0 with that. And to be honest I don't think they need to because our starting eight is unstoppable

spk_0 and then we've got five to six guys that we've been playing with the bench to date that again

spk_0 just ramp up that power. I don't think we need to really roll the dice on that. Well again I'm

spk_0 poor Williams. The right because of the opponent based in Wales said seven one is fantastic

spk_0 till you lose two backs in the first ten minutes then it feels like you crap yourself in a

spk_0 wetsuit. We can all relate to that. We can relate to that every time Zal's goes out into the soup

spk_0 keeps the sharks away. It's again what's amazing is being the kind of anger that we've manipulated

spk_0 or somehow kind of bent the rules. The rules say you have eight substitutes. If you can develop

spk_0 eight forwards to cover your backs go play them. Yeah. If we'd had three backline injuries and we'd

spk_0 lost because we didn't have any reserves in the bench people would be laughing at us. And now it's

spk_0 a problem that we won because we played like that. It happened to happen the rugby championship last

spk_0 year we got some early injuries and jokset. Look they rolled the dice and it kind of didn't work out

spk_0 and that's always the risk when you're playing a six to well now a seven one. But I just thought

spk_0 that the box certainly have announced themselves. They didn't want to go in under the radar. They

spk_0 have garnered as a defending champion with two very powerful performances against Wales in New Zealand.

spk_0 Isn't that what you want? I've blocked you believe they're good enough to win it and win it again.

spk_0 Yes and I think if you have a short term memory then the answer isn't emphatic yes and there's no

spk_0 part of that results all that performance on Saturday that is bad. Monty LeBot kicked these kicks

spk_0 the forwards completely dominated. Everybody played their part and we recorded a milestone

spk_0 winner against the All Blacks. There is no negative to that game especially so that is period.

spk_0 And if you look at the short term you backed it up with the previous win against Wales we look well

spk_0 on track. But if you take a step back and you look at where the box have been and how they're

spk_0 tracking and how we explain some of those unnecessary losses lost you on the end of your tour where are

spk_0 the box now. I still feel like I'm not 100% sure exactly where this team is. If the box went into

spk_0 the game you can scot them and beat them by 50 points I say yeah that makes sense and if they go

spk_0 in and they're lose by seven I'd say yep we pretty much saw that coming. I'm not really sure where

spk_0 the box are. I know they've smashed the All Blacks now. Well I know where you are mate.

spk_0 But I don't actually ride on the fence. Yeah I don't have a bearing on these guys and that's

spk_0 not a great feeling. Well I've got a great feeling about them.

spk_0 Scotland will be a very well get to that obviously before the scotting game that's going to be a tough

spk_0 game but a great kind of tough game because the scot pack is better than the All Black pack their

spk_0 backs on is good and that's kind of where they've come and stuck when they've played us on like

spk_0 New Zealand they they hold them for 60 or they're in the lead on 65 two moments of magic and it's

spk_0 a seven point win to New Zealand or 12 point win and that's how South Africa lost often to New

spk_0 Zealand. 14 points 21 points in five when it's three moments of magic because they've got the pull

spk_0 this time they didn't get the pull in any form of attack and fuel position they were put under

spk_0 pressure they hurried their passes there was an intensity in the game but there was also

spk_0 absolutely no discipline no regard and no respect for the ball. So how it plays out in the

spk_0 World Cup and I've said this to too many people at the spa at my local and they say too early we

spk_0 picked you soon for the World Cup but I said wait I don't know how the World Cup is going to play out

spk_0 in terms of the bunker the TMOs and that if we play 15 on 15 and we don't have any serious

spk_0 injuries I believe we will win the World Cup and we'll be France in the final and I wrote that on

spk_0 here and it's really nice if you guys have shared it in S.A. rugby magazine I appreciate that

spk_0 but let's look at that performance for just what it was it was 80 minutes of absolute poetry

spk_0 Box style poetry dominant up front physical discipline and then the kind of backline that they chose

spk_0 when we have the chance to counter attack or move the ball we did so wonderfully and you're

spk_0 looking to play like Cain and Moody he looks like he's been playing S.A. rugby for 20 years

spk_0 so when you see what Jonah Lombo did you see what Rupini Kakani Bukka did Joe Roth Ben Tune

spk_0 Karl Dibbler see back in the day John Kerwin David Campezi a Cheslin Colby time you just think

spk_0 this is a special special talent a pinot when they've got the ball something's going to happen and

spk_0 as we've said 13 is probably where it's going to end up but to have that option of him playing at 13

spk_0 him playing 14 or 11 and at 15 and he's 20 years old man he is going to be one of the stars of

spk_0 this World Cup does he start at 13 for you against Scotland you bet you he starts at 13 against Scotland

spk_0 and we're going to get to that who starts at 12 under the giant or you'll make Damian DL Andy

spk_0 No my mate Damian DL Andy based on what? Fire Long Shot the guys in World Cup were in a

spk_0 beat the British Irish Lions if you look at the stats from that lion series Damian DL Andy's role

spk_0 in that in that series victory was massive the pack basically used him as the guy to get them

spk_0 over the game line so they were running downhill he's a phenomenal force under the giants had two

spk_0 fantastic test matches when we destroyed Australia's pack and we destroyed the all blacks pack

spk_0 I would like to see Andre going forward when our pack when there's a little bit more parity whether

spk_0 that'll ever happen I don't know because we were unstoppable at the moments but I just feel like

spk_0 Damian DL Andy's the guy for all occasions all conditions all occasions so Damian DL Andy's

spk_0 fit he plays six of the seven games yeah and Andre the giant plays Romania I mean Andre the

spk_0 giant could play Tonga no problems and listen if if Damian goes down Andre the giant is no

spk_0 slight he's a fantastic guy to have backing up but if both are fit and healthy it's not even a

spk_0 question it's not even a question for me Damian DL Andy all around far superior yeah then do you

spk_0 go with Moody just this magical magical player who's 20 at 13 or do you go back to 55 test Jesse

spk_0 Creole or 50 plus test Jesse Creole because of his experience in his plating wall cups

spk_0 also which one do you do it's a tricky one because that block pack is creating so much momentum

spk_0 at the moments and like we've seen recently that in a way you don't need to be flashing in the back

spk_0 you can just win this game by just crushing people to pieces and Jesse has more experience

spk_0 so he's less likely to gamble and make mistakes but the ceiling on Calon Moody is like a sky scraper

spk_0 so this guy I mean he this is a this for me I think this guy could finish up with 100 tests he's

spk_0 he's the real deal but whether he's got the the cachet at the moment to be starting at a

spk_0 wall cup in a new position I don't know I'd probably roll the dice of cannon to be honest

spk_0 well every time they picked him Jay picked him at the bulls he steps up a shark and racy

spk_0 picked him at the box he just delivers and he's delivers we're like 15 14 and then now at 30

spk_0 the calm and the composure that he brings he's so understates like boring for him

spk_0 oh that it's like he plays that gaming slow motion and one thing in sport they say all the great

spk_0 sportsmen see the gaming slow motion yeah and and he just you know bokeh caber wrote that he

spk_0 that he reminds him of like Donnie Haber in his prime coming through he has that kind of presence

spk_0 and I don't think he's got that robustness when he's got Gail and he's more like a combination

spk_0 between a Christian culinary joe roffle he just glides but he is physical and he's strong

spk_0 I would start him at 30 you pick a guy when he's on a like red hot form it allows you to pick

spk_0 to pick why Cheslin Colby and allows you to kind of go with a back three potentially of

spk_0 Devinula Rue where do you include Damian Damian Villamsa what changes would you make it any to

spk_0 that 23 that went out against all blacks and smash them sure well I mean if to start as I would

spk_0 definitely not have seven forwards I'll go with six I you know I want to see Jaden Hendrix

spk_0 to get back on the field I really feel like he's the guy that can make the most of that forward

spk_0 dominance for me fuff as a guy who's a very nuggety combative defender defender fearless

spk_0 I'm not sure whether that is exactly what we need when the pack is controlling the game like

spk_0 they are you got Jaden putting perfect box kicks up I mean you could suffocate teams to pieces

spk_0 but you know they're going to start with us so that's kind of a lot to give it if we look to

spk_0 that Scotland game of that 23 they play let's just look at the starting pack you they've

spk_0 they seem to have settled on now it's getty it's marks and it's France you don't think Borghi goes

spk_0 back to the starting lineup I think I think Scotland I think Mark starts again okay and then they

spk_0 take it from there but six or one half it doesn't have the other at the moment where they play

spk_0 I love the second row you've been in place for me I love this one as a starting fantastic and

spk_0 claim and out here to come off the beat how do you stop that the mighty monster mighty monster monsters

spk_0 exactly and then who do you pick on your wins if you pick kind of moody at 13 who do you go with

spk_0 your back three I'm probably going to end up saying Chess and Colby and Kirtly are and so on the

spk_0 wings and and Ville at the back and if you don't pick Kannon and you pick Jesse Creole at 13 then

spk_0 Kaden on the left wing and Jason on the right and Kurgley nodding the match 23.

spk_0 Tension in the bench are all right and then if you look at the the bench you go in six two

spk_0 who you're two backs obviously Damien Phillips it yeah so I mean so if you say we start

spk_0 five then it'll be Jaden I would have Jaden there and I suppose Damien Phillips so for his

spk_0 versatility or Kirtly because you can potentially cover a bunch of backline positions and Kaden

spk_0 you would leave Damien Phillips out of the 23 well I mean I don't know come on come on

spk_0 Damien Phillips out of the test 23 at the moment he's a guy would have been starting at 10 but

spk_0 apparently that's not the way we go you're so you're as uncertain as you're I've been trying to tell

spk_0 you from the beginning is that I'm not really sure where this team is and what they're trying to

spk_0 pick Kirtly or in center 23 on the bench ahead of Damien Phillips. Think about that one.

spk_0 Yeah well I'm saying Kaden Mutie can shift inside. Kaden Mutie can pretty much what

spk_0 we're talking about is he can play 13 14 you can you know he can cover a bunch of positions.

spk_0 Are you telling me you would even consider leaving Damien Phillips out of the 23?

spk_0 Yes or no? That's pretty much where we are I am considering it wow yeah wow

spk_0 he like I say for me he would have been the guy there would have been starting at flop but we've

spk_0 done nothing to do that now so where where do you slot him in? I slot him in either as a starting

spk_0 15 if something goes wrong with Willie always definitely on the bench because he covers 10 12 13 11 14 15

spk_0 and he can kick okay so Damien Phillips will never be out of my 23 okay it shocks me that he's

spk_0 out of your 20 right and you want to include Andre the Joan. You're good at checking out

spk_0 they got me. Look in at the other teams okay we've seen England fall apart uh Australia say

spk_0 they're keeping their power to dry they're not from five uh Eddie Jones I've never seen a coach

spk_0 to lose and cruise that should be his tag loan everything's always positive he's got all this

spk_0 positivity with kids he gets all the flat load they say he's destroying England and he's destroying

spk_0 Australia be that isn't me I don't see either of those two sides it's been contented us for the

spk_0 World Cup given they all go far because of a draw but they're not going to win the thing. No I don't

spk_0 think either of those two teams all win it but there are contenters be could precisely for the

spk_0 reason you gave they're going to be in the final four so anything can happen on the day a

spk_0 referring decision a red card an injury they just look like they're off for nothing great

spk_0 wouldn't agree. Agreed to beat them at Twickenham. Agreed. I agree. I think Australia are ahead of

spk_0 England right in terms of where they're at and how they're playing even though the world rankings

spk_0 don't talk to you that point you'd feel like if Australia played England that Eddie would come

spk_0 up with the win there or no where where you and that. I think England wins okay really I think

spk_0 their pack is better than Australia's pack and I do think Farrell will be at 10 your controller

spk_0 get I know this young kid that you like flash Gordon he's got potential he's not a World Cup

spk_0 winning flafter's yet maybe knocks them out of it back we'll see a different player but they just

spk_0 don't do it for me at the moment Australia I've kind of been given them the benefit of the dark

spk_0 when I looked at all the games leading up to them we've got to call it now everyone can be wise

spk_0 off to the first thing. No you're 100% and look it's when he's evolving changes the World Cup goes on

spk_0 obviously our opinions may change based on suspensions losses injuries but right now if you said to

spk_0 me pick a winner or pick to find us and pick a winner based on what you've seen this whole year

spk_0 as I wrote and was consistent with ESO rugby magazines poll I felt that it will be France against

spk_0 South Africa in the final and I think South Africa will win comfortably I've been waiting for France

spk_0 to fall over for four years and they haven't every time I think I don't think they've quite got it

spk_0 to win it they produce very comprehensive performances where they have battle abilities

spk_0 against a side like Scotland now Scotland makes me nervous for the box I think it makes

spk_0 Fabian Goldstein nervous as well but Scotland hasn't got the team to go and win three games in a row

spk_0 and win the thing they don't have the depth in squad numbers they're a hell of a difficult opponent

spk_0 good pack and obviously fin Russell and and do one fun a maver are great players to watch in action

spk_0 so for me it comes down to South Africa I do believe that France would have too much for New Zealand

spk_0 on what I saw because there's no one better than New Zealand can pick and they've insisted that

spk_0 Sam Cain is their guy okay so it's the most uninspirational leader that I've seen of the all blacks

spk_0 and yes he follows big shoes the mighty Macau and and Kirin Reed but yes limited and very limited

spk_0 in body office so I think France will be too good for them if they can handle their occasion

spk_0 and I think so that will be too good for Ireland which then throws it in Northern and the Southern

spk_0 Amosca quarter final and I think they France wins and South Africa wins and two of the top four

spk_0 teams of the world go home while the teams ranked ninth tenth kind of eighth go cruise through so

spk_0 I think we're in a heart of a good position we settle with our squad I think Paula and my

spk_0 stalemaking appearance as the walk up unfolds if I'm me somehow come through for the playoff games

spk_0 will be in a even in a better place but no injuries are pack firing looking good and just confidence

spk_0 and what I really loved is we haven't wanted to creep into this walk up under the radar

spk_0 we're walking in there saying we ranked two in the world because these they have been ranked one we

spk_0 were ranked one for for Friday night and we are the defending champions and we hit a win at back to

spk_0 back and to become the only team to win it four times whereas you hear New Zealand's conversation

spk_0 while it's maybe a good thing because we can slip in under the radar and we have the underdog tag

spk_0 when has an all-black team ever wanted to the underdog tag that's true 100% you've got France beating

spk_0 New Zealand now in the opener yeah so then that means New Zealand probably finished a second in

spk_0 that group and South Africa finishes top because it will be Ireland so so we've got South Africa

spk_0 New Zealand in the quarterfinal what happens there obviously we knock them over box by ten

spk_0 oh he's box by ten okay and then in the other semi-final France Ireland another quarterfinal

spk_0 while France are playing in the final mate they won it haven't they okay if they're playing

spk_0 Dublin and Ireland wins if they're playing Paris France wins yeah that's a good point and where's

spk_0 this being played not not Dublin exactly so that's where I see everyone said there's five six seven

spk_0 teams that can win this and there's only three teams that can win it's Ireland France or South

spk_0 and I don't think Ireland's got the mentality the one thing that this box team has got it's the

spk_0 same squad of players who went to Japan and won it so France has gone to finals they've gone to

spk_0 semi-finals and they've never won it um Ireland's never got out of a quarterfinal so history does come

spk_0 for something there the edge that we have is we've experienced this whole playoff pressure

spk_0 and we've come up trumps and we came up in the most spectacular way in Japan in 2019

spk_0 when the world was against us we destroyed Japan 263 a 53 meter driving mall tribe which to

spk_0 me was the trial of the tournament we went in and we arm wrestled a very good well-side

spk_0 Polo kick the magnificent penalty to take us just over the line and Damien Delaney

spk_0 scored that fantastic try England destroyed the all blacks through them around like ragdolls

spk_0 197 that could have been 14 nil as well that game how they got seven so that overthrow at the line-ups

spk_0 and thought that won the final joking around in the week everything was a piss take the props laughing

spk_0 so Africa turned it on the scrum destroyed obliterated England in the first 20 minutes

spk_0 and we showed we could play with with them you bought a new dimension that 2019 final performance

spk_0 very similar to what we saw at Twickenham we can play that game in that has put the world on a

spk_0 loot oh you still here man I'm listening mate it's been a great tale you've taken me back inside

spk_0 it is a great tale because like we said we've been pumped nine times by 2728 50 40 30 points

spk_0 differential we've had some horror days we've had those ugly moments yeah but we've bounced back

spk_0 New Zealand looks like a boxer that's never been hit before and doesn't actually know what to do

spk_0 when I watched them I've used this kind of analogy or metaphor before but when Anthony Joshua got

spk_0 club for the first time by Ruiz Jr it's like he didn't seem to know what to do is look in

spk_0 but they didn't have the game with a pact to sustain that and we came and called on that game as well

spk_0 so to me it's such a good news it was it was the best 80 minutes I've given up of my life to

spk_0 watch the spring box on Friday night and maybe the tension wasn't there because the new was a warm-up

spk_0 game but I just felt we we manquely was switched on to put up a performance tell the world the

spk_0 spring box on giving up their title a very good team has to be sure sure sure and we keep on saying

spk_0 the sales we just hope that this wall cups not decided by the bunker TMO in a week match

spk_0 officiating and I want to ask you on this and we saw this in this game we worked out

spk_0 on each though the TMO was in the referee's ear the whole time cooling back and we got the

spk_0 rubber the green okay with a lot of their decisions but it needs to stop doesn't it?

spk_0 no that's just ridiculous it takes away from the game apparently the first half was more than an hour

spk_0 I didn't notice but apparently it was was in that region and I just think it's bad for the game

spk_0 when we slow it down like that you know just you may as well go and play rugby league then or play

spk_0 NFL if you're going to stop the game all the time in games where I think it was Luke Pierce over the

spk_0 weekend was rafting and he just he made calls live and the game continued and the speed in the

spk_0 tempo you can actually get caught up in the story of the game instead of having to stop and go

spk_0 by some popcorn and come back to see what if you put everything on super slow motion keep on

spk_0 replaying you're going to find them it's cool okay of course so unless it's an absolute

spk_0 howler it's play on it does balance itself out I've given my sermon I've kind of put it on the

spk_0 block I've said that I do believe all things considered that the spring box will be fronts by

spk_0 20 plus points in the final and I'm credited with that be the same group of players win by 20 in

spk_0 Japan and they win by 20 in in in Paris in France I mean that would just be scripted in Hollywood

spk_0 okay no injuries no red cards no you're like odds you give me your quarter final final and who's

spk_0 going to win it now look I think the box are definitely in with the shot I think there are I think

spk_0 there are major major contenders in this thing I sense negativity you don't need to sense

spk_0 negativity I think the box are there in the essay rugby mag world cup issue the bumper edition

spk_0 164 page bumper edition we did our predictions on every single match and we came out with

spk_0 the fronts versus South Africa in the final in the box winning so we said this is how the box

spk_0 are going to win the world cup and I believe that is totally an option for me if they beat the

spk_0 old blacks in the quarter final they'll win the world cup do you think the old blacks are good enough

spk_0 to beat them in the quarter five yes I do think because I think we played in a match this weekend

spk_0 for the first of all that smashed us that month smart and historically they beat us we played in a

spk_0 match this weekend where they lost their starting tighthead prop in a front row group that lacks

spk_0 experience they started it lost their starting tighthead prop in the first quarter they started

spk_0 damn calls who's not one of their starting hookers they lost their most physical forward to a yellow

spk_0 card and then I read they played a 13 men for 20 minutes the referee I wouldn't say favorite

spk_0 aspect we got the rub of the green and they chose all of that to happen on the one day that we put

spk_0 seven forwards on the bench so in a way it was a perfect storm I think and so and even then we won

spk_0 by 28 points right so fantastic result in a microcosm on its own fantastic I'm just not sure

spk_0 that the box are good for that the next time we play the old blacks and I think definitely going

spk_0 to match where in the match week people are going to be talking about this game saying the box

spk_0 delivered a record victory the last time they played the onus is going to be on South Africa to

spk_0 back it up historically we're not very good in those situations we like to be written off who do

spk_0 you want if who do you think the box should be playing the quarter five if they can get France

spk_0 they'll win I would much rather play France and if they get used in in the final

spk_0 well we've played there once in a final maybe 100% would you be as nervous as you are now

spk_0 because you're very nervous about I worry about those old blacks mate the dangerous green

spk_0 goes mate I think I think it could get a yeah they're a good team yeah if we beat them at any stage

spk_0 of this World Cup we will win the World Cup all right we got to end up with the Sierra

spk_0 Calisi factor how incredible was he's performing geez that got something else I mean that guy is

spk_0 that's just the guy was carrying tackle bags with Hanukkah mine 2015 at the World Cup the missing

spk_0 2018 Russia Erasmus appoints him as the captain of South Africa and doesn't do it because he

spk_0 thinks I want to have a first black captain he just appoints him because of the charisma he brings

spk_0 and the kind of the the calm he brings and he knows that they're strong experience leadership at

spk_0 that stage and the Dwayne for Mielins around him and this guy just thrives and flourishes and

spk_0 the bigger the occasion the bigger his performance I think they had to pull him off on

spk_0 even what a come off and just the physicality that he adds and you know when he plays and

spk_0 captains the box and he's first out of the tunnel they are just a far far easier on the IT

spk_0 yeah and when he's not there and there is a charisma that he brings there's a flamboyance that he

spk_0 brings and geez he is a guy who was made for test right me yeah not regional or domestic competition

spk_0 he plays for the big moments and to have him there to have him fit and fire you know I think it's

spk_0 been the greatest thing that's come through in these warm up matches yeah and definitely the

spk_0 timing is perfect as well like you see I had been around 10 15 20 years ago the kind of ragged me

spk_0 that they were playing he wouldn't have been a great fit but his ability to be physical to be

spk_0 athletic and to be a link from six the timing of it with what's going on at the box right now and

spk_0 how they're playing and where they're strong is fantastic you know like you saw him unlock

spk_0 unlock the for the first try against Wales just an amazing player you know first touch

spk_0 of the ball and offload our attackers and to get his first try against the all-black's his

spk_0 tenth try of his career and kind of get us on the board all that dominance to get the seven points

spk_0 and then first to rock and roll after that this is the last time though that we can chat about

spk_0 permutations holding back the gunpowder etc next week we chat we're talking welcome opening rounds

spk_0 then no more friends sitting my man then you've got to call it man I've got to call it like it is

spk_0 okay and you're allowed to be wrong deal I know you took a lot of strain over the weekend

spk_0 may be time you went stock prices from every time you went into the mall out in Bloberg

spk_0 guys are telling you enough for the negativity always great chat in Zels enjoy the week enjoy the

spk_0 weekend and guys get that 164 page essay rugby magazine it is our crack everything you need to

spk_0 know there's a very cool lack of a big chart you can chart every game as the boys at essay

spk_0 rugby magazine did and you can pen something from spenselin so that if you're pencilin the 20th

spk_0 October start a France we're going to be there wearing green and we may have to upset and spoil

spk_0 the party on the Parisians and the holofrons but for now we've got six seven glorious weeks to

spk_0 enjoy this weekend off because from next week one it's fun box by ten

Keo & Zels Show – EP14: Rassie ambushes World Rugby

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