🤖 How Joan's Linguistics Background Became Her Gateway to AI // REPOST

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spk_0 Now AI is here, but yeah, it will change our lives, but how to be fair for that.

spk_0 And that's actually a thing that not many people really answer.

spk_0 They all say, yeah, we have this model, that model and whatever, and it will change our work.

spk_0 But what does it mean for us?

spk_0 And today I talk to Joan Barurak of Clarity AI, and she can actually shed some light on this.

spk_0 What should you do if your job is in danger?

spk_0 How should you prepare for the impact?

spk_0 And also we talk a little bit of agriculture about agriculture and AI.

spk_0 So a whole bunch of things, but the most important thing is prepare for AI to come.

spk_0 And Joan has a great book to prepare you for what comes the AI roadmap.

spk_0 We talk about this a little.

spk_0 Yeah, welcome to another interview episode of the Beginners Guide to AI.

spk_0 Happy to have you here.

spk_0 And on the microphone, sigma from Algo Berlin.

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spk_0 But before I talk too long, let's just jump right into the interview and give the microphone to Joan.

spk_0 So I can talk a lot about Joan like you always do.

spk_0 I don't like those PR introductions.

spk_0 I want to give the microphone to Joan.

spk_0 And first of all, thank you for being here on the podcast.

spk_0 Oh, do I need to be here?

spk_0 And the next thing is really interesting for me.

spk_0 What did get you into AI?

spk_0 Ooh, what come into AI?

spk_0 Well, I'm a linguist.

spk_0 I don't know if you know a lot of linguists, but the joke is linguistics is a gateway drug into computer science.

spk_0 Just a little bit of code can get you a lot farther.

spk_0 So my masses in linguistics, my PhDs and kind of conversational AI, multimodal systems.

spk_0 And then I've been working on tech and we didn't always call it AI.

spk_0 I'll admit to you, I got labeled a voice AI influencer in 2018.

spk_0 And I was like, whoa, like interesting.

spk_0 And from there, it's just been, I don't know, it went from a time where linguistics, oh, well, you get a job to today.

spk_0 People like, you have a PhD in what?

spk_0 So it really has changed just in a few years time.

spk_0 Oh, yeah, there's this thing.

spk_0 Then some, at a certain point, somebody somehow opened my eye.

spk_0 They came up with something and, bam, so helpful.

spk_0 Now my family knows more about what I do.

spk_0 I'll be honest with you.

spk_0 It's kind of nice.

spk_0 We will come to the terminator and magic question later, but that's probably what they ask you.

spk_0 But anyway, no, but now you actually work with AI and your firm's clarity

spk_0 and what actually do you do?

spk_0 Could you introduce us to?

spk_0 Absolutely.

spk_0 Well, at Clarity AI, we build custom solutions for different companies.

spk_0 Right now, my biggest customers are an agriculture company and a manufacturing company,

spk_0 which is so cool because I've been working in software bots for a very long time.

spk_0 But I'm allowed to speak publicly about my agriculture one.

spk_0 In certain sectors, it's pen and paper.

spk_0 I don't mean to be rude to anybody who's listening to this podcast.

spk_0 If your data sets are on pen and paper, that's so cool.

spk_0 But the opportunity for companies like that to get their SOPs organized.

spk_0 I don't know how, jargony, I want to get on this.

spk_0 But like the ability for one day, so this agriculture company, they have produce,

spk_0 they build, they grow produce.

spk_0 I don't want to say.

spk_0 But the data sets that my team will be building for them in a three to seven year time span

spk_0 maybe as valuable as the produce in a certain time span of how to get really high yields

spk_0 organic produce like we work in tandem together.

spk_0 So dashboards, analytics, we can do many things from you with you.

spk_0 But one of the things I always say about AI, the data is the foundation of whatever we want to build.

spk_0 Clean data, not good data.

spk_0 It's like building a house on a bad foundation.

spk_0 So my team really works on quality, structured, explainable data sets.

spk_0 And then for manufacturing, for agriculture, whichever, you know, use case we're working on,

spk_0 we can, bells and whistles make wonderful things happen.

spk_0 I find that interesting.

spk_0 I come from a city and I don't have much to do with agriculture,

spk_0 but I always watch those documentaries on tech and agriculture for whatever reason.

spk_0 I totally like it.

spk_0 Yes, I totally like it.

spk_0 But how did you come up with it?

spk_0 Was it coincidence that you were connected to this firm or?

spk_0 It was, yeah, I met the founder at a startup pitch where I was actually the mentor on the investor side.

spk_0 It's a very strange thing as my age, you think the other, the CEO founder is in his 60s.

spk_0 And I never had touched an agriculture project in my life, zero, zero times.

spk_0 I live in Seattle.

spk_0 We don't have a lot of agriculture here.

spk_0 But he told me like, Joan, one day I'm going to hire you, like my company needs AI.

spk_0 And the cool thing is he has his domain expertise.

spk_0 I have mine.

spk_0 So I'll tell you in the last year and a half, I've been working with them.

spk_0 I've upskilled dramatically in sensor data, you know, moisture blah, blah, blah.

spk_0 But yeah, it's a very cool project of a pain point.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 I'm sorry that I have to dive deeper into this, but do you have now rubber boots and everything?

spk_0 And do you go, do you date, don't feel the research?

spk_0 That is great.

spk_0 Oh my gosh.

spk_0 If my customer is listening to this, I will say I had to buy new outfits to go to the farm.

spk_0 Because I have my like workout clothes and my professional clothes.

spk_0 And neither one is a good fit to go to a customer onsite on a farm.

spk_0 So I did buy some flannel.

spk_0 I miss something I did too.

spk_0 I live here in Seattle.

spk_0 So I do a rain boots.

spk_0 But it's, and I think that's honestly the thing is like tech workers going to an agriculture thing.

spk_0 Or just there's a very big gap of overlaps.

spk_0 So it's interesting that you are like, duh, agriculture.

spk_0 But it's right now it's a field that needs to be modernized, frankly,

spk_0 and has a lot of huge opportunity as well.

spk_0 But how is it?

spk_0 You say that it's basically pen and paper.

spk_0 How do you get the data?

spk_0 I mean, if you have data in a silo somewhere, that means you have to have the possibility to export it.

spk_0 But if it's like pen and paper, how do you get to the data?

spk_0 A lot of it has been lost over the years.

spk_0 I love my customer.

spk_0 Please don't get me wrong.

spk_0 Like we're, you know, many customers are very timid.

spk_0 So I don't mean to be like, oh, this one customer, he knows he's got some problems.

spk_0 He wants to get better.

spk_0 And if he doesn't document things, there aren't those opportunities that I just mentioned.

spk_0 So pen and paper, there are a few spreadsheets from a years ago.

spk_0 But like when we talk about how do you show the performance?

spk_0 What are those images, videos, or one thing?

spk_0 Stories are one thing.

spk_0 I love stories.

spk_0 If we have them backed up by data, if we can show performance changes,

spk_0 the nitty-gritty high fidelity things.

spk_0 And to be fair, I talked to some people in hardware.

spk_0 I don't want to name sectors of pre-sales customers.

spk_0 But they talked to them and they're like, we don't even, how could we get that data zone?

spk_0 They're like, it's too complicated.

spk_0 It's like, let's start small.

spk_0 Let's start very small.

spk_0 I love choosing a pain point.

spk_0 So for my agriculture customer, they're called Agria.

spk_0 You can go look them up.

spk_0 Water.

spk_0 Efficient water usage.

spk_0 Here in the United States, I live in Seattle.

spk_0 We have more than enough water where I live.

spk_0 That is not the case for pre-sales customers in the Middle East.

spk_0 In the Caribbean, for example, water is one of the most expensive pieces of the puzzle.

spk_0 So sensors that are very thoughtful about when to water, how much to water,

spk_0 the innovative growing medium needs a different amount of water from regular soil, what one could say.

spk_0 So watching those inputs, checking the outputs of what we're growing,

spk_0 is a really high-use, important use case.

spk_0 And then modeling that data of, or, I'm like the time, time graph across in a structured data set.

spk_0 And optimizing that with a dashboard, be able to look at the data.

spk_0 I think there's one thing, if stakeholders are listening, like we often think about this gorgeous dashboard that shows you this stuff.

spk_0 The front end is really helpful, but the back end has to be clean up to date.

spk_0 There's pieces of it that my team is really focused on as well.

spk_0 So eventually, any stakeholder who buys this product from my customer will get an analog dashboard predictive ideas.

spk_0 Warnings.

spk_0 Uh-oh, the water pressure went off or whatever IOT sensors we can do a lot more.

spk_0 But today we're focused on efficient and good SOPs.

spk_0 Like are people following the recipe?

spk_0 Are people following the standard operating procedure?

spk_0 You think this is like really table stakes?

spk_0 But unfortunately, not everyone's, you know, people love to go off the recipes.

spk_0 So those are just some basic things that are being worked on.

spk_0 Yeah, that sounds like we are in a bubble and that's how things turn.

spk_0 And then you go outside of your bubble and you realize, okay, no, the world is different.

spk_0 Yes, that is absolutely the case.

spk_0 The golden path and then reality.

spk_0 Yeah, you know, this is, um, but this is really interesting.

spk_0 Is it the same?

spk_0 Like you say, you have a big manufacturing line.

spk_0 Do they have, do they have different problems?

spk_0 What are the problems there?

spk_0 Are they the same?

spk_0 I wish I were allowed to share as much about that customer.

spk_0 But what I will say is, I think what's one of the sectors I'm learning about is I'm so used to optimizing things in software.

spk_0 There are many industries, fisheries, manufacturing, agriculture, industrial, manufacturing.

spk_0 Anyway, they're different types of types that do not have a lot of software people and AI folks working with them.

spk_0 Um, it's kind of this maybe late adopter.

spk_0 We could call them, but I honestly think it's because I don't ever in my day today.

spk_0 I don't go by these businesses very often.

spk_0 They literally earn physically distinct locations, you know.

spk_0 Um, so there's just this, there's a gap.

spk_0 And I'm so grateful to meet amazing stakeholders at those companies who are curious, excited, you know, let's work together to have an air events that have stay out.

spk_0 And no AI people, you know, this type of like it, we really did.

spk_0 I'm not here to change in my mind, you know, I think they're huge opportunities to work together.

spk_0 But, um, I think that mindset is really, really crucial with different companies I work with.

spk_0 What you say, I mean, you go into the firms, you, you are happy that the people are happy to see you. Are they happy?

spk_0 Or is it like much work to get them to the point where they say, okay, that makes sense?

spk_0 Oh, it really depends. And that's kind of a person by person basis.

spk_0 I just talked to some new customer, new potential. Who knows the 2025 is my business.

spk_0 It's just doing well.

spk_0 Last week I was talking to some new customers and one person who wants to meet with me so excited, like a evangelist type person, but he knows several of his colleagues will not be thrilled when I walk through the front door.

spk_0 And so what I usually do, there's kind of, there are many approaches.

spk_0 One of them is I do a company talk and I say, like, let's talk about data and AI, 101 nuts and bolts foundation to try to get us all to the same place, not going to make any assumptions.

spk_0 No jargon, really, really clear. And then opportunities for your company that could make your life easier.

spk_0 Usually when people meet me, they're like, oh, she's more normal. Like I could actually talk to her, you know, like there's a relationship that's built.

spk_0 Another route about a lot of people are doing with me is I do a strategic workshop.

spk_0 My team, my company's called Clarity AI. We host a your AI roadmap workshop. It's 10 steps and we walk you through because some companies are different maturity levels.

spk_0 Like on this agriculture company, like I said, pen and paper. We are starting from ground zero, right?

spk_0 But other companies have tried different things or they might be at different levels.

spk_0 Gardener has like a 10 step framework about kind of maturity and responsibility of data practices.

spk_0 And so we've operationalized that into a workshop to say, what are your data practices?

spk_0 Do you have cyber security practices? Who is in charge of these things when we find different opportunities?

spk_0 Who is touching those? Are we like measuring ROI? Like seemingly basic questions, but kind of those 10 steps help us with maturity, with low-hing fruit, with food.

spk_0 If would I even recommend they spend capital on projects? You'd be shocked my team sometimes is like, there may not be an ROI.

spk_0 Like I want to make sure that you efficiently spending capital. So I think that like here, Joan speak.

spk_0 I have my own podcast actually to to that exact angle. People can hear me speak.

spk_0 And then the workshop is spent very popular like get the stakeholders in the room, get them talking to each other.

spk_0 Does it align with company goals? Yes, no, maybe so. And then we give them kind of deliverables from that workshop to take time.

spk_0 Think about it. You don't have to hire us. You could hire somebody else. But like here's what we recommend based on I mean, Gardener's industry standard frameworks.

spk_0 So those are two different approaches that we're using in our kind of talk to new people phases.

spk_0 You mentioned your AI roadmap and this is also the title of your book. I think I think.

spk_0 Can you tell me?

spk_0 This is like for the people we have audio ones. Joan has the book here and shows us. This is a really well designed one.

spk_0 And your AI roadmap. It's. Did that come from you had those workshops and thought, okay, what I tell you I can also put it in a book or how did you come up with the idea to write a book?

spk_0 I mean, I wrote two books and there were strange ideas I had to come up with a book, but.

spk_0 So how did you come?

spk_0 How do I come up with a book?

spk_0 I'm a very data driven person. You're going to see that I act. I drink the cool aid of what I preach.

spk_0 So my socials, as I mentioned being an influencer in the AI space and then chat GPT come around.

spk_0 My socials blew up. I mean, it was wild.

spk_0 And from there, my social engagement, my team started looking at what are people consuming of my socials?

spk_0 And let's unlock you do this. But like, I know what they want and triple down and keep giving them what they want.

spk_0 That became my podcast. And which also is kind of how customers listen.

spk_0 Like we just found that people were sometimes scared to jump on a call.

spk_0 I'm especially if depending on. Anyway, that was some scary for some customers.

spk_0 So we can be able to send them the podcast. They can listen to me. They can hear me speak to people who work at Microsoft and Google blah blah.

spk_0 And from that podcast, when we were launching the podcast, it did driven way.

spk_0 When you launch your companion book was used in one of the webinars that I went to and I was like, oh no, when you launch your companion book.

spk_0 Done, done because I know books are a pretty big lift.

spk_0 And I was told five years ago that I was not famous enough to write a book. I was turned down by one of those dudes with a roll of decks of publishers.

spk_0 I don't know if you have one of those. And I painted him and I said, oh, could we talk about a book?

spk_0 I have validated, but see that I was in totally different place.

spk_0 I was like, I have data of my users and my users say they want this. And I drop this. And he was like, this is a no brainer.

spk_0 And I, I pitched Wiley and the first publisher I pitched and they said, yes.

spk_0 So that was a, yeah, roughly a year ago, I was actually finishing writing the manuscript.

spk_0 And so it came out. But the wild thing is that Wiley very much wanted this book to be a beat a C book instead of a beat a B book.

spk_0 They said a lot of, yeah, it's a weird world. But Wiley said there's so many foundational AI books that they really wanted this book to look more at.

spk_0 What can people do societal effects part of the puzzle? So sadly has bifurcated my business.

spk_0 But I'm happy to, I think it's, I guess what we haven't talked about in this bit is despite having a PhD and working in this field and building these things, I have been in two large scale AI layoffs, which is no fun to talk about here in Seattle.

spk_0 It's so common, honestly. I don't think you have as many layoffs in Germany.

spk_0 We don't have so much AI so it's okay. My European friends like, like I just don't happen in Spain, Joan. I was like, oh, lucky you.

spk_0 No, no, yeah, it's also more, more unions and more laws and so yeah.

spk_0 Totally. Yeah, but I'm talking about like 30% of the company like going a day type of layoffs. These are no joke, very scary.

spk_0 But luckily I've been very resilient in my career. I'm one of the keys to that is actually been building many revenue streams. I have 22 revenue streams today.

spk_0 Wow.

spk_0 Some are active, some are passive, but like a lot of people in my DM spend like, how did you do it? Like what is the secret sauce behind the thing?

spk_0 So I would say that my podcast is technical plus career. I interview people from Google and Microsoft say, what projects you do?

spk_0 How did you get into this field? So it's got a technical purse career. And my book is career plus money. Very data driven.

spk_0 The first half of the book future proof your career and the second half of the book is future proof your income. Now you say, why would you listen to money stuff from AI influencer?

spk_0 This is ridiculous. But I didn't have a financial education growing up. I've learned things from many different ways.

spk_0 But especially in such an opportunity and volatile time, taking care of the money aspect is crucial to resilience.

spk_0 So it's kind of like, I don't make you don't make money off books. Maybe you've made a lot of money off your books. I don't know. Yeah.

spk_0 I make it. I make two to three dollars per book sold. That's how bad the margins are. But I feel like it's a love letter back to someone right behind me who doesn't have this knowledge, who maybe is scared of a layoff or someone in their life got laid off.

spk_0 This is like real talk data driven exactly what I'd recommend people about how to be resilient. So it has the same title your AI robot try to keep all the brand aligned.

spk_0 But it truly it's the said title is actions to expand your career money and joy. And some people have teased me that this is to like scam me a title.

spk_0 But that's truly what this book is about is future proofing your career money and enjoy. Yeah. So yeah.

spk_0 And then let's let's go into it. It's really interesting. I mean, it's the career. But I mean, the people out there, the people who listen, I don't know too much about them.

spk_0 They work with AI. They love AI. They don't use it too much, but they mostly in the US actually deal listeners. Hi from Germany. Most of them. Most of you are above the ocean here.

spk_0 But over the ocean. I don't know my English. But across the pond, maybe. Of course, the pond. Perfect. Yeah. So, um, career. How do you use AI to make your career better?

spk_0 Or what's your advice? Could you break it down or burn it into one single thing?

spk_0 One single nugget. There are three things I talk about mostly in my box. So if you're okay with me distilling to three. And I'd say.

spk_0 Of the research, it's wild, but Harvard Business Review published research that 50% of Americans are experiencing what they're calling layoff anxiety.

spk_0 50% and I would joke here in Seattle. It's more like 70 or 80%. I'm just like layoffs in the news. I mean, you can't miss it, right?

spk_0 Microsoft meta, just like Starbucks companies. We think are stable. It's a wild. Anyway, I don't mean to know scared tags. I'm just ignoring.

spk_0 But yeah, I want to acknowledge the problem and then talk about actions to take care of yourself. So future proofing your career.

spk_0 Personal branding. No one likes me talking about this and networking. Personal branding and networking. I think of as the flywheel about your career.

spk_0 So how do people find you or like here's two data points at least.

spk_0 LinkedIn. They did research on after COVID layoffs in 2020. How do people land the next job? 70% because of an introduction.

spk_0 It is not about your CV. It's about knowing deep mar. It's about knowing Joan. It's knowing Taylor. It's who you know to get you in the door is 70%.

spk_0 It's wild. So how when people Google your name, what do they find? You know, what connections are you going to those networking events? Are you following up with people?

spk_0 It's like super old school recommendations, but very, very data driven. Yeah, they're nodding a bunch. Have you experienced this? Yes, totally. It's just like I don't know any job in my life. I'm now over 50 and I know this is not anything I got without network without connections without introductions.

spk_0 Yeah, absolutely. And I literally I'm I share very personally my poor therapist. I have a table where I list out every biggest opportunity publicly people know about.

spk_0 And the person who got me the job or the opportunity, like literally I have a table somewhere in here since I was 15. I think my first job look.

spk_0 My first job is listed here in chapter four. But it's it's just pretty wild that following like basic skill sets of having an online presence, showing what you do and what you're known for following up with people. Just the follow up. I meet so many cool people at events.

spk_0 I'm like, I'm happy to make that introduction. And they never send me the email.

spk_0 Close my mind. So if that's a very like future proving career career, go to the events, follow up with people and the events can be in virtual. They can be in person, you know, as you wish.

spk_0 But following up and keeping your presence fresh. We both have unique names. So it's a lot easier for us. I think.

spk_0 But to be known for what you do in your field is a huge piece of the future proofing. So that's the first whole half my book is real talk careers, how to set up a personal brand step by step by step. I analyze my own.

spk_0 So people can see exactly how data driven and rigorously organized I am or I'm not.

spk_0 But that's that's what I recommend to just about anybody about future proofing career.

spk_0 Yeah, no, this is like this, this talk about how save is your job is coming more and more to the people arrive at the point, okay, now it's not the simple jobs that get taken away to China, whatever it's the white color jobs.

spk_0 So what does it say about me? It's a great topic. It's a danger and you can do something against it and it's actually actually what you say is be be someone who's not fired or be the one that is hired for the next job.

spk_0 Make yourself special kind of.

spk_0 Well, isn't it weird that someone who's working on AI is recommending you triple down in the human part.

spk_0 Like I do feel a little weird saying that based on the data, this is, I mean, I can if I can say another study, have you heard of the strength of weak ties by chance?

spk_0 Yes, definitely.

spk_0 Okay, okay.

spk_0 But you can tell it for the audience.

spk_0 Yeah, yeah, back in the 1970s, it was theorized by a professor theorized.

spk_0 I think the strength of weak ties could be a milligram.

spk_0 Oh, I want to say Dr. Throwredder, but I don't.

spk_0 It could be there's this one of them. I think Milderm was the one with the six six steps.

spk_0 I should know. Oh, here here. Dr. Mark S. Granavetter.

spk_0 Oh, no, no, I don't know. But I know. Yeah, yeah, there was some research.

spk_0 Yeah, yeah. In 1973, published the strength of weak ties.

spk_0 It is more than 15,000 citations. Very, very popular.

spk_0 And the concept was that the person outside of your network or just adjacently is the person who can help you get it.

spk_0 The strength of a weak tie, you know, the second and third-degree connections.

spk_0 But it was just a theory recently, researchers from the University of Chicago and other universities analyzed two billion linked in data points to see if this was the case or not.

spk_0 Okay, let's look at the theory, let's look at the data.

spk_0 And what they found was it was called the paradox of weak ties.

spk_0 Because actually the weak ties were the strongest indicator of you getting your next job.

spk_0 That amazing opportunity to speak somewhere you've always dreamed of.

spk_0 So it's not because you've tapped out your best friends, your best friends, they give you those opportunities.

spk_0 Right? It's the person you meet at that event who goes, oh, you need to meet Mark.

spk_0 Mark is the perfect thing. And that that weak tie is maybe the strongest thing to get you outside of your current bubble to the next thing.

spk_0 So if two billion data points and, you know, 70% of people in their next job tripling down on the human part, like I have a little recipe in my book about like how to do it.

spk_0 If you're looking for a new job, I'd spend 80% of your time in the people bucket.

spk_0 Going to those events, making a spreadsheet, following up, that's what I'd be doing.

spk_0 If anyone's listening, who is looking for a job or their next thing or their spouses, that's what I'm the data points that's so, so clearly.

spk_0 I know now where I have this from. It's a Malcolm Gladwell tipping point idea.

spk_0 No, it's not a not not tipping point, which one of it does is tipping point.

spk_0 Yes, exactly because it's a rival ideas, viral marketing.

spk_0 And the virus doesn't need big strong ties, but weak ties.

spk_0 Viral ideas spread also, like weak ties and connection spread or weak ties.

spk_0 Yeah, exactly.

spk_0 Yeah, yeah.

spk_0 Of course, but it's this is weird connectivity. And when I do presentations, I show a little graph of these little, you know, nodes and kind of the neural aspects of this and just the weak tie being the kind of like a spider's web.

spk_0 I'm the very edge, but I think it's so interesting that, you know, what we experience and what other people are experiencing in like literal data points.

spk_0 And the wild thing is of the two billion data points, I realized my data was in that data set was another very meta cognitive.

spk_0 But point being, if you want to think about future proofing your career, if you want to stay in the job market, that's the sprint.

spk_0 I'd recommend to anybody.

spk_0 Oh, yeah, this is really, really important because there's a lot of research now and going how many jobs get lost.

spk_0 And there's people they say jobs get created. But yeah, if it's not your job that created in the next, yeah, you have to either learn a literacy literacy in other areas like social skills or use your ties really, really important.

spk_0 Yeah, there were two other points.

spk_0 I wanted to write that up, which one?

spk_0 So that yeah, I love it.

spk_0 I remember the last one, joy, joy, joy, exactly.

spk_0 Yeah. Well, the recommendations I make and it doesn't actually map perfectly is personal branding. A lot of people I meet have their photos don't look like them.

spk_0 Just like get your personal brain organized.

spk_0 And once you have it polished and ready, go to those networking. So kind of that, that's the flywheel that I recommend.

spk_0 And then the third one is about money and just kind of financial education.

spk_0 I got a PhD, which means I was in school many, many years, public and private school, zero classes about finance.

spk_0 Not a single one. I had one course in fifth grade about how to read a check.

spk_0 I'm dead serious. So this in my book, I share all my 22 income streams. I share my net worth.

spk_0 I share recommendations of how to build your wealth.

spk_0 But if you are one of these people, like I mentioned the Harvard Mrs. View 50% of people lay off anxiety and emergency fund.

spk_0 It's wild. And that was that was done like a year and a half ago.

spk_0 So honestly, anyway, this, this wild market and emergency fund most Americans do not have an emergency fund.

spk_0 Which is technically a three to six months of living expenses set aside.

spk_0 Just money that's sitting there for a rainy day.

spk_0 Today, I recommend with this volatile market more like six to 12 months.

spk_0 One of my friends was laid off and he was on the job market 27 months.

spk_0 So having money set aside, whether it's about your job, maybe your job is so stable and you're like, I hate my job.

spk_0 But it's going to be paid for life. I know people like this.

spk_0 Maybe they don't worry about that. But like my here and see I don't my water here broke this winter.

spk_0 So no hot water in the shower was very bad.

spk_0 But luckily, I had money set aside. It's like, I don't want to spend that money.

spk_0 But emergency happened. So I spent the two grand to get the thing removed and get the other one and the maintenance and all that jazz.

spk_0 So just having that money set aside to sleep better at night of a large chunk of expenses.

spk_0 And I'm not a financial planner, but I'd recommend it being maybe put in a high yield savings account.

spk_0 So the bank is paying you to leave a chunk of money set aside.

spk_0 So if the person is I'm scared about losing my job or I just lost my job, which many, maybe you're a listener, maybe this is you setting aside that money.

spk_0 However, you can try not to go into high debt percentages.

spk_0 And then my book recommends like no grow and being control.

spk_0 Know your numbers being control your numbers. Where are your accounts?

spk_0 Kind of like, I guess that's data hygiene. It goes back to the beginning of this conversation.

spk_0 Where is your money? How is your money? How do we grow your money?

spk_0 And I just I really try to be expansive about it.

spk_0 Because I know so many people were like, oh, money. I'm so scared. I'm so scared. I'm like, how can we increase your income instead of being frenetic and scared?

spk_0 So those are just those are the three recommendations. If I give you know top of if you listen, nothing else, you're, you know, cooking or whatever.

spk_0 Personal brand networking financial education emergency fund.

spk_0 What the fourth thing I got from you now was really interesting for me because this is a thing I follow up and I have four or five income sources.

spk_0 This is like a 20 to but let's let's tie that to AI. Do you have some based in AI? I mean, you have a firm that works with AI but but some other things.

spk_0 People see now some headlines YouTube. I made 20 grand with AI. Yeah, maybe.

spk_0 Could be. But the next 2000 tried that won't work. But do you have some ideas how to focus on and how how to take it like a data based approach to this or to have some ideas there?

spk_0 Yeah, definitely. Well, I important myth because you're not the first person to be like, AI makes me money. People ask me this actually quite common.

spk_0 AI does not make you money. I can help you make something that you can monetize. This is absolutely the case. But like knowing like I guess how to build an income stream is simply defining something and selling something.

spk_0 Does it simple as it is. So I actually because I recommend kind of the word expand subtitle actions to expand your money is like helping people choose a product and sell it.

spk_0 And I have 57 ideas for income streams. If people want to build their side income. So with AI, what could you build? So a really easy one here in the United States is a pet business.

spk_0 It's very lucrative to take care of pets. I did this in college actually get paid $70 a day to take care of people's pets. I love dogs. I'm happy to take your dog for walk. Like wonderful. And now I guess it's a new world where I pay someone to take care of my dog. And she's paid very well.

spk_0 But the opportunity to just scale your revenue in different ways is something I recommend you can use AI to learn these things. But I think be very aware of people on YouTube. I make extra blah blah. But they have a product and they figured out how to sell it very well. That's fantastic. But anyone anyone can do this.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 This is funny because just today I watched a TikTok video on raplet this app where you can program something. I love it. You can with 15 prompts you have or have not that might might depend on what you want. You have an app or a plug in our program.

spk_0 And then the the girl she brought. Yeah, right. You mean ideas. What did you do? There's the guy writing. Yeah, it's great. I can do that. And I do that all the time. But I don't have ideas. So he's like able to execute. But he didn't have the ideas. And that's actually the thing. But exactly what you say. It's the ability doesn't help you. You have to find ideas. I mean, I could help. Yeah, also with this. But you have to.

spk_0 Yeah. In so many stories, you build something and then unfortunately no one wants it. So the who and the what and the next person. I think that's one of the things I learned most in business. Actually, very as I continue relearning about the human aspect.

spk_0 I know some people who can walk into certain rooms and they have certain friends and they will just buy a $2 million product with a Google Doc.

spk_0 It's about who you know again, or like how many I was I was talking to a stakeholder and I was like, I can't build that for you. And he's like, great, if you can have it already for me by this date, I will walk it into a room. And the person will say yes or no.

spk_0 That is how it will go. And I was just like, right, like this is, you know, I'm a builder, right? I've been working on the data and I products. The whole sales game is a relationship based thing.

spk_0 And knowing the right person who's wonderful to work with and they say, great, Joan, we do want this.

spk_0 But I think that really like that, especially for high ticket items, at least, like I'm just mentioning, it's a relationship based game. And that person has a huge role at X.

spk_0 And so that's something he can do. So one day, maybe me, but I'm grateful to work with people on cool projects.

spk_0 Yes.

spk_0 This is funny because it comes even more, I think, to soft skills and then relationship building networking, this soft skills. So you have ideas that you can you take the idea and go to a rep or whatever cursor and make a program out of it, but you still need to sell it.

spk_0 We Germans are good at products. We are not good at selling. So this is one thing. All the people out there don't do it like we do it. We have the great ideas, but in the end, you have to go to market with it.

spk_0 It's also the process. I mean, building something cool and people like it. But I hear you about the sales thing that's been upskilling for me as I'm like, oh gosh, I have to sell things and the length of pre sales and customers and things. But it's a, I think, invalidating the product in the market.

spk_0 But I think it's not as scary as like, or I think when I was like, oh my gosh, I have to sell something like, oh, I'm not a salesperson. But like when I was younger, it doesn't have to be a $2 million product.

spk_0 Like I in my master's program, I couldn't cover my grocery bills. Living in California is very, very expensive. I don't know if you've been.

spk_0 I had several roommates. I was a graduate student and I could barely cover my rent. And I realized I couldn't cover my groceries. And so I would take things out of my grocery cart because I could not pay for them. It was very, very painful.

spk_0 So I started tutoring on the side. I went on Craigslist. I don't know if you've Craigslist in Germany. He knows.

spk_0 Something, something like that. But I put like, I'm a graduate student. I will happily tutor. And here's how much you pay me. Like contact me. And suddenly I had three students were paying me and cash.

spk_0 Lovely people weekly. And suddenly I could cover my groceries. Like as we talk about here's a product. People will buy it. If what I like just a few hundred dollars. And I could breathe more easily paying my groceries.

spk_0 So it doesn't have to be something crazy. I already had domain expertise. I had passion. And I tutored as simple as that.

spk_0 And this is actually really interesting because now you have AI to help you with this. To figure out your strengths or simple. You got to Craigslist. What should I write? And if you are like, not good at selling yourself, you would write a text where all the people, basically nobody would book you or because it's like this text that is like,

spk_0 I don't want to sell myself my services, but you can call me. Nobody will call you.

spk_0 Oh, totally. Well, looking back, I actually found the Craigslist post. And I put it and you can download it from the resources in my book. I read it. I was like, oh my gosh, I post this. Like, this is so bad. But it worked.

spk_0 I put it out there. And today, absolutely people could use Claude to make it much more beautiful, streamlined, readable. I mean, headshots. I talk a lot about there's generative AI that can make your headshot look nice.

spk_0 So you don't have to hire a photographer and a new outfit and all this. And if you try to air gone.ai, excellent headshots. You put in 20 selfies. You pay 35 bucks. New headshot. Presto. It's wonderful.

spk_0 So I think that's the AI tool being used for what you want and need it for.

spk_0 Yeah, this is actually this is I tried. I didn't have the I have an account a university account for Chatchy B.T. And I don't have the new image because you can also do this with the image version, but I don't have the new one.

spk_0 They didn't the universities don't have it yet or at least the German ones. I tried just for fun, but it didn't work. No, but it's in general. Yeah, use the tools to go out there and be future proof basically.

spk_0 It's just like really important. One question for you. We talked about many of the things, but what's what's the most business private, which AI for what do you use the AI mostly?

spk_0 Oh, okay. Yeah. On the regular, the three that I use are Chatchy B.T. And my favorite model is 40. Okay. Is anyone cares? I like it. I use Claude. Claude does an excellent job with copywriting.

spk_0 So I guess I use Chatchy B.T. frequently for formatting changes, tables restructuring, like kind of structural things. Claude does excellent copy. Claude is a way better andthropic andthropic's Claude is a way better like text based.

spk_0 I find it far superior to Chatchy B.T. and my third one that I use is perplexity. I love perplexity. I'm actually, they don't pay me to say this, but I am a business fellow at perplexity. And the search finding the right thing is fantastic.

spk_0 So it depends on my workflow, but I'll definitely like find things on perplexity, reformat them and Chatchy B.T. then make an intro copy text from Claude. I find orchestrating all three is what I currently do in my workflow. Do you use all those three? What do you use?

spk_0 I use Chatchy B.T. I use mistral because I have to promote Europe.

spk_0 And some now I'm like like, raplet and hey Jen and whatever and I have to stop at a certain point because the subscription fees are a little bit too high at certain points every tool.

spk_0 But yeah, actually a tip for all out there agent.ai you can go there and you can make a small agent that has for Claude, for mistral. And at that point in time you don't pay or at hugging face.

spk_0 You can use other tools to use those at the moment to not pay if you don't use them extensively that works. It takes a little longer.

spk_0 So just just I just because it's really a problem. I mean, you have three tools in general is like 60 bucks a month. And then you have a fourth or fifth or so it sums up true, but or like I mean it's operational cost for the business.

spk_0 And I mean, I guess that's the math one would have to do. I don't know if it's weird to talk about I guess in the money dollar sign but like if I get customers that are paying me six figures seven figures.

spk_0 Even four figures for some pre sale stuff and I'm paying $60 for a tool that makes me five times faster.

spk_0 Yes, or just but these are the adult. Well, I don't want me into waste money, but I'm just saying.

spk_0 Yes, I'm happy to pay $20 a month for something that makes me so much faster. At least that's what I think about it.

spk_0 Totally. Now you save so much time and you can use it more and that's definitely something works. I had a web enough for travel agency people and I told them yeah start with the cheap with the free one.

spk_0 And if you use it go for the for the paid one because it makes sense and you save time and you can sell it to the boss because it's basically it's time and money saving.

spk_0 Yeah, you totally right to point that out. Although it being said by the university. This is good too, but also don't do subscriptions. You're you're not using. I mean that's yeah extra. Yeah, very obvious.

spk_0 So let's come to the last question now the terminated matrix question. Do you think in 10 years we are all in a zoo or the AI take over what do you think what is your perspective on AI in the future of humanity.

spk_0 2035.

spk_0 Well, I think the number one thing is related to climate change or the climate crisis will be much more full swing than it is today.

spk_0 Will we be in a zoo? I don't think so. But as far as right now the gap is widening of who is profiting or like in the United States.

spk_0 14 to 23% of the population of the US adults have tried Chutchy BT.

spk_0 So even it's extremely low. And so with an and 92% of the fortune 100 is is prototyping with open AI.

spk_0 So this information and wealth gap is being exacerbated. We're recording this in April 25. So the other market other market dynamics as well. But from an AI perspective, what I'm seeing is this echo chamber.

spk_0 For being potentially wealthier and more powerful and leaving a lot of people out of the equation. And so this this bifurcation of power. I see being exacerbated dramatically in the next five years and potentially in the next or the next 10 or just I'm very worried for that honestly.

spk_0 So I think for anyone listening, hopefully that doesn't scare you too much. But like just try things. Open your mind. Get excited. Try this agent AI. Try different models. Like just opening Chutchy BT and trying it once puts you and then 20% or so.

spk_0 But being able to leverage it in the ways we're talking about it as an API to transform businesses. I really start prototyping start small. Just just open your mind a little bit because I am very worried that your competitor is using it. And you are not.

spk_0 Yes. So I only need to put fire under people's butts like that. But that's the perspective I see in the market.

spk_0 Oh, I love it. It's good. You have to give the people something push them a little. Yeah, it's good.

spk_0 And if you want to take care of your own personal finances and that of your family and your community, reading my book, hopefully will give you fire under your butt to take care of yourself, which no matter what your day job is. I think this.

spk_0 Here in the United States, your day job is connected to your health care and your money. And I really see that become becoming divorced very quickly also. So having financial security. I think I just as the future of work changes and our AI changes companies.

spk_0 We need to take care of ourselves. So check out chapter nine of my book. And as it mentioned, I share very, very, very openly. My family didn't wreck. They didn't really want me to publish it to be honest with you.

spk_0 But I really feel like it's a gift giving back and it's real talk and a lot of data. So.

spk_0 Yes. Where can we find the book? Yes. You can go to your aireumap.com. That's more about the book in detail.

spk_0 You can find it on Amazon. It's also there on bookshop.org. You can move. Most of my content is on LinkedIn. So I don't know if that'll be in the show notes.

spk_0 We wouldn't show notes. Yeah. Extremely unusual name. So just Joan AI should get you there. But Joan Paul, Matt, but Jorick and check out more about the book. The book is literally 25 bucks. So if you think that'd be a decent investment, go check out the book.

spk_0 And if you are interested in a workshop or talk, it's me talked about the top of this one. I'm feel free to ping me or ping my team. And we'll be happy to chat more.

spk_0 Great. I put everything in the show notes. Also I put the podcast. You said you have a podcast. I didn't know.

spk_0 It's not as fancy as this one. It's called and surprise surprise. The name of the podcast is for AI roadmap.

spk_0 I also put a link to it because I really want to listen to it because it's great. It's like you focus on the points that I really love the people.

spk_0 I mean, this is also my mission is to get the people to prepare for the future basically.

spk_0 And that's my podcast. The mission is instead of us just like dreaming about the future, it's so different when you hear from builders who know how hard it is to make products into it.

spk_0 For example, to make products at Microsoft, like when you hear these, there's two different episodes. Like it's so much harder than people think.

spk_0 I'm like, what the future could be. So please check out the favorite episode today is Google Gemini. I'm a researcher. My friend there. She talks about multimodal data sets.

spk_0 So if you want to check out that episode, that's the top performer. Historically, yes.

spk_0 I am really curious. So John, thank you to be here on the podcast and thank you that we're here that we talked about all those important things.

spk_0 And I will put everything in a show notes and let's see what happens and it's great that you prepare people to the I mean, it doesn't need to be that negative, but it could be.

spk_0 And you have to be prepared for those.

spk_0 Take action. If you put your head in the sand and you're despair, this will not get you literally anywhere.

spk_0 Take actions, take small actions. I try to be extremely like little bite sized, you know, data driven was actually going to move the needle for you.

spk_0 So yeah, just take action. Right now.

spk_0 Perfect. Then thank you, John. And yeah, this is so much fun. Thanks for having me.

spk_0 Thank you. That was quite an interview. I knew that I would affect society. But if you're in Seattle where some of the big tech companies have their offices, the effect is really there.

spk_0 People lose their job and what's coming with this is fear of losing your job. And but actually the fear is good because if you don't get just like frightened and don't do a thing that's bad.

spk_0 But if you if the fear gets you to do things to actually get out and connect like network and see how you can have different income streams, different possibilities.

spk_0 Let's say it more general. Then that's actually a thing that will help you the fear of what comes nobody knows what comes might be all all right, all shiny and nice.

spk_0 But be prepared. Be prepared for the worst and there's a saying I forgot but if the best comes then it's good.

spk_0 So John, thank you for the interview. It was great talking to you. Definitely a topic that is in on my mind a lot.

spk_0 How is the world going to be house the near house the far future and yes that that we got some some help for managing our future.

spk_0 So people was great you're having you here on the podcast. Don't forget to subscribe on your podcast app and also our Berlin dot com slash newsletter where you can get the podcast in your mailbox with additional tips and tricks for me.

spk_0 Hope to have you back in next episode signing off it's Dicken from our goal to Berlin.

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spk_0 Dietmar Fisher is recognized as one of the world's foremost experts in AI particularly in simplifying artificial intelligence for businesses and beginners since 2021 he has been researching AI at the University of the Armed Forces in Munich, Germany with a focus on marketing predictive models science and business applications.

spk_0 As the host of the beginners guide to AI Dietmar Fisher is one of the top AI podcasters worldwide renowned for making complex AI topics accessible to a broad audience.

spk_0 He has a deep interest in AI ethics and is well known for posing his signature question to podcast guests do you believe machines will take over the world like in the Terminator or the Matrix.

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