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GGG 362 Gunfighter Gauntlet 2025
In this episode of Geeks, Gadgets, and Dunes, hosts Matt and Mineric dive into their recent experiences with firearms, discussing the complexities of gun parts and upgrades. They share insights from t...
GGG 362 Gunfighter Gauntlet 2025
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Hi, I'm Matt.
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And I'm Mineric.
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Welcome to Geeks.
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Gadgets.
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And Dunes.
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Do we actually pull that off without screwing it up for once?
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I think we did.
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It's been a while since it's been just the two of us.
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It's a little rusty, but we didn't actually make any mistakes.
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I mean, we made a lot of mistakes for a long time and yeah, we haven't made a lot of podcasts for months.
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We're like one a month at this point.
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Yeah, it's been a big gap.
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It's been a big summer.
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It's been insane.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it really has.
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So yeah, we've been doing a lot.
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There's just chasing the stuff with the 320.
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There's just so much end.
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There's no firm definition of when stuff changes is what really sucks.
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Uh-huh.
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It's kind of as you're going through and trusting the date on the cases and looking at nothing is labeled on the parts.
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See, kind of have to make all some of the parts.
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Now, and even with that, you'll have a number of markings, but you don't know what's a part number and what's a mold number.
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I think it's pretty much narrowed down what's part numbers and what's the mold numbers.
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I will say that.
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I hope so.
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I can almost guarantee we figured that part out.
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The downside is there's not like this hard and fast line of this is when they stop doing this and this is when they start doing this.
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Yeah, something is better than others, but.
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Yeah, a lot of stuff looks like different production lines would get a batch parts and run until they were out and then get another batch parts and.
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You never know which line something's coming off of.
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So things start and stop at different times.
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Fun times, fun times.
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Yeah, it just makes deep.
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It makes tracing all this stuff really hard.
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It's like the it like the guys who do all the collectors who go into autistic detail about exactly when some specific pattern of screw got changed on a Smith and Wesson.
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And we're just trying to figure out cool when you start when you change this part, when did you change this mold?
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When did you start doing this? When did you end doing that?
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And some of the stuff we're having to puzzle it out so we don't have to take apart the fire control units yet.
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And then there's all the voluntary upgrade guns that got sent back in and that makes it even more fun because.
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Oh, look, they have voluntary upgrade guns to do one thing and voluntary upgrade guns to do another thing and.
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Oh, cool. You have a gun that was produced in 2016.
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Oh, you sent in for the voluntary upgrade.
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Yeah. And who knows if there were different batches of parts for the voluntary upgrade.
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Oh, yeah.
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As they as that went on, but we are going to definitely have to finally start taking apart these internals.
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We want to test and gather all the data.
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We can before we start stripping fire control units.
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Yeah. Yeah. Have.
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Yeah. Doc. Yeah. It's it's a case of document extensively.
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Everything and try and try and build a good map of what's going on so that we can kind of reconstruct what changed when and how and.
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How these parts are interacting so that maybe eventually we can figure out what combinations of parts possibly have problems.
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Yeah. So there is a thing to.
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There is a heck of an indication that we might have with that M18 that's acting weird.
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Yeah. That one looks like it has specific metallurgy problems.
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Mm-hmm. Or what if that is just how they were in.
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If that's how they're wearing in that's terrifying.
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Yeah. Because you get one looking at.
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Looking at other guns.
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Just they they don't show that same pattern of wear.
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They don't show having had that same pattern of wear and then broken.
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Actually, my Legion kind of does.
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Hmm. It kind of shows like maybe it was having that similar pattern of wear and it's just like, oh.
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Yay.
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Yeah. That's not.
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That's not reassuring.
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And we haven't exactly looked at.
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Your use pistols you picked up to see how they're looking.
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No, not not to the level of.
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Magnification that we need to to see that wear.
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And I don't know how many rounds got put on them really.
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Yeah.
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The one was a high end competition gun and it.
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Feel it looks and feels like someone probably ran it.
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As a competition gun for a little while.
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And then traded it.
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So who'd yeah.
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Don't know.
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There's a whole lot of I don't know what going on in this project.
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I know, right? It's fun.
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Be really nice if they would just like publish some data so that people could try and.
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I mean, I mean, I still haven't watched the second video they put out.
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That's right. They did put out a second video.
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I need to.
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I need to go watch that one.
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Yeah.
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Because yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. And it's.
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Yeah. Right now there isn't a whole lot that we can.
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Positively say about what's going on.
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Yeah.
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Because there's just.
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It's ambiguous.
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And that it doesn't.
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Yeah.
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It's like it.
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Seems like any individual gun could be fine.
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But you have to inspect it every gun individually.
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You can't just declare.
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All of them are okay.
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Or all of them past a certain time period are okay.
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Yeah.
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It's just kind of a.
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Well, no, you're going to have to.
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Terrem apart.
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And use several safety checks and.
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Put them under a microscope to look at a couple spots.
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And.
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If that gun passes.
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That particular one passes.
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But the next guy to walk up to the inspection.
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Might have one that fails.
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And that's the one thing that I find really curious is how few people
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mentioned.
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They're like, yes, the air force is putting the gun back into service.
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I'm like, yep, gun's putting put back into service.
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You know, expect almost 1000 and you dead line almost 200 of them.
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Or 2.39%.
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Because of issues with the striker, the seer, or the safety lever.
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And they're not defining what any of the issues they found on any of them work.
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Which is really a curious question because.
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If we knew what they found.
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Could tell us if we're on the right track or not.
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Yeah.
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It could it.
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They might have been seeing completely different things.
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And considering that they list three parts.
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It's like, yeah, cool.
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It's three of the parts that we've been focusing on.
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But they're the three key parts because all three of them are essential.
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Mm hmm.
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Yeah, because like those are the things that if something goes wrong,
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the gun goes off.
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Yeah, those three interacting properly is crucial to the gun.
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Not firing.
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Yeah, it's like that's.
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Well, it's crucial to not firing when it's not supposed to.
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And firing when it is supposed to.
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Yeah, yep.
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Yeah, like those are the critical fire control parts that are.
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They make it go bang or stop it from going bang.
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And you need them to work the same way in every single one.
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Otherwise, you get problems like the.
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The small handful of guns that have gone off without.
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Or while they're in the trigger or in the holster.
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Yeah, good times, good times.
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So why don't we talk about more fun stuff?
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What gun was your favorite stage gun?
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Oh,
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I think the can cannon.
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I think the can cannon was very unique.
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You know what the craziest part was when I fired it.
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And I'm pretty sure when you fired it, we were more worrying about get it aimed,
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fire it, put it down, and we're not paying attention to where our stuff lands.
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I was, yeah, I was not watching where that can landed.
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Yeah, I was, I was already transitioning trying to minimize my time.
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Yeah, I was doing the same.
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I think yours hit the ground and then bounced into the car.
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Like I, I think that was what that's the what I heard from the crowd made me think that's what happened.
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Yeah, either of us got the bonus.
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No, I don't know how many people got the bonus on the can cannon stage.
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Can you actually have practical score?
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So we could see.
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Yeah.
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I was like, hey, I doubt many people had enough practice to actually hit with one round.
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Hit with one round on a gun that you have never shot before with no sights whatsoever.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I know people have printed grenade launcher sights to go on can cannons,
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which makes me think I'm going to need to make some to go online.
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Which also reminds me I need to set up my blank reloading dies so I can load some blanks to play finally play with it.
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Yeah, or by a case, but yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, blanks are expensive.
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Yeah, everything's expensive.
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What was that one called?
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LZX Ray?
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Or no, Gordy's gone.
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Yeah.
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It's really strange because the way it's in practice score.
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Oh, I know why it's in practice score this way.
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Because day two would have been the stages they set up first for doing the match directors matches.
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Uh-huh.
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That makes sense.
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And then they would have run it, changed the configuration back to what our day one was going to be.
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Uh-huh.
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Yep.
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That makes sense.
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That would make sense.
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Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven.
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Eleven out of 150 people got the bonus on that stage.
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That sounds like about the right amount of people to land that shot.
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And some of them were the guys that got huge amounts of penalties.
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It was more random than anything I'd say.
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I think so.
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Did you get to see it a few times and then did you get lucky?
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Yeah.
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And they were telling you like approximately 45 degrees.
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Yeah, it looks like about 7% success rate.
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Yeah, I think I aimed a little bit over the corn, which would have been somewhere between 30 and 40, 45.
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Yeah.
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I aimed somewhere around the same vicinity.
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Yeah.
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I think I definitely got the crud afterwards.
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Yeah.
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Because yeah, that kept us from recording last week.
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, no, that match was two weeks ago.
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Yay.
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Oh, though, I will say, uh, Bronnell's made bank off you.
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Yeah.
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Then again, you came out with a steal.
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I also, yes, I did.
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I finally got to test that tonight.
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How was it?
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Uh, jam factory.
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Oh.
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Well, I.
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MDR.
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So I with the site site and forward ejects.
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Not surprised.
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Because I have not.
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What kind of jams were you seeing?
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It was not putting the empty all the way over into the ejection shoot.
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Okay.
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Did you fiddle with the gas settings at all?
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I have not.
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I wonder why some gas plug you have.
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Yeah, my assumption is that it was missed.
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It was gas drawn.
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And I need to adjust it.
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Or check that it's the updated gas plug.
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Yeah, because you might have the original three position.
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Not the six.
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And as possible, whoever had that may have had it set up for a suppressor.
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Yeah, I think it had more.
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It.
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It had a bunch of holes drilled in the that front skirt to stick it.
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Stick a screwdriver in and get a hold of.
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So I think it's more positions than just three.
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Well, I should be more of like.
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Just kind of you put a bullet in it and rotate it if I remember right?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, but it it had a bunch of.
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A bunch of slots to stick.
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Yeah, just stick a bullet nose or a screwdriver into the shroud.
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And into the hole in that skirt.
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Okay.
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Yeah, you probably have one more updated once then.
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Yeah, it looked like it was, but there's.
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I didn't do anything with it.
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So I have no confidence that the gas was set right.
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Probably not.
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So I ran two thirds of a magazine through it.
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And pop this.
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I after the first or the second stoppage.
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I took the the ejection shoot off.
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And I was still having trouble because it was not.
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It wasn't kicking him energetically enough.
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Yeah, the scissor lift was not kicking him out the side strong enough.
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It was the bolt was coming back forward and catching the base of the cartridge.
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Between the carrier and the trunnion.
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Yeah, I'm not going to go with you are definitely undergast.
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I yeah.
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So I need to.
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Page through the manual, see what the gas settings are.
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And try adjusting that.
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Because I don't think whoever had it before I bought it at Brownells had a can on it.
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Because that desert tech muzzle device is not a suppressor mount is it?
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No, it is not.
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But they might have also put it back on before they sold it.
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Others that.
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But it so they either had it gased to be run with a can or they just had it set wrong when they sold it.
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Yeah, or someone fiddled with the.
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Again, I was like your undergast, which.
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If somebody's spending MDR money, I would not be surprised if they have a can on it.
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And put a can on it increases back pressure.
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Well, it a thing like an MDR.
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It's kind of like the katana where someone holding one.
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Either has no idea what they're doing.
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Or every idea what they're doing.
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Yeah.
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And it's like an MDR is kind of that you either really know what you're doing or you're a very over money to nub.
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Two Shay.
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So it's kind of a I'm not surprised that it's gas strong for running as a bear rifle.
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I need to take a little bit of time when it's not sundown.
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And tinker with it.
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Yeah, figure out if I can get it running zero the optic because it was not zeroed.
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So I don't know if they swap the glass on it when they traded it in or brown elves pulled the glass off a one thing and stuck it on that one.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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Honestly, I did not expect it to be sold with that glass.
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That's no, I did not.
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I mean, because I we've kind of buried the lead that I found an MDR at the brown elves retail store.
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Are you willing to say what you've been paid for it because that was a hell of a steal?
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What was it?
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Yes, it came out to 1600 bucks with a stiner with a stiner three power prism optic on it.
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The MSRP is for like $1100.
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Yeah.
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So you got a $2,000 plus dollar rifle plus $1100 optic for 1600.
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Yeah.
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All in a $200 pelican case.
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Yeah.
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Like they they threw it in a it can't small little bullpup MDR coming in a like a long precision rifle pelican case.
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And it's not the knockoff Plano or the lower tier pelican.
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It's the the high end pelican.
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It's like, oh, hell, this is nicer than the case that I had got to put my RPR in.
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Yeah, it's like you just kind of looked into.
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Yeah, I thought it was a good deal for just the gun at that price.
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And then all the other stuff is like, yeah, I bought it because I figured yeah, 16 her like 15 whatever.
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15 something for the right.
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Yeah, 15 something for the rifle 1600 after tax.
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Oh, yeah, I'm that's going to be the rifle.
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And then they stuck the box for the optic into the bag and came up from the back with a giant ass pelican case.
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And like, oh, those come with it too.
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Oh, I'm paying like half price for this package.
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Yup.
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Yeah, it's like I don't mind that I have to tinker with it a little bit to get it running reliably because it is an MDR.
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It's going to need a little bit of playing with to get it going.
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But once it once it does get going, it should run nice.
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I mean, it's an MDR and 556 that is supposedly the more reliable of the variance.
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I hope so.
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It feels really nice.
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It's ridiculously easy to shoot standing offhand and just like all that weight being back against your shoulder with your support hand being basically vertical
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and tucked close in makes it very easy to stand and shoot and hold the dot on target.
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I know. It's the kind of stuff that it's like we needed that for the match.
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Yeah, like if I had this thing gassed right and then had that for the those natural terrain stages, that would have been really nice.
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Yeah, is ironic.
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You were definitely struggling more on the shooting portion of those stages from when I'm looking at in the footage.
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Yeah, I was not doing as good as you like my general fitness saved me on those.
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But you're shooting just.
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I you could tell how out of practice on shooting I was.
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Yeah, because I was getting close but not quite hitting.
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It was absolutely crazy on that is on the mud stage.
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So the first of the natural terrain for us, we have to do a mud crawl.
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I hate it. I ate it so bloody hard.
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Oh, yeah, I got my rifle mudded to Helen gone.
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My magnifier was just completely covered in mud.
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So it's just like flip that thing out of the way.
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And like an idiot, I forget to flip down my lens covers on the red dot.
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So I have a chunk of mud that's like blocking the top quarter and mostly limiting my light transmission.
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So I'm trying to struggle to see a great target in prairie grass at 100 yards with no magnification.
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And it's finally part way through like wait and I flip it down and I'm like, hey, I can see better.
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Click, click, click, click, click.
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The flip side on that is I look at and go, you know what?
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If I've been using an LVB LVPO and they got mudded, what the hell would I have done?
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Yeah, like yeah, that would have been really bad.
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And the only thing I can think of like to take an LVPO through that through one of those mud stages is a transparent bikini cover.
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Or transparent caps.
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Yeah, yeah, some of them that come with transparent caps or just.
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Have flip up caps and it's one of those that that match they're going to make you go through mud and you better have something to protect your optics.
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Yep.
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I'm, I don't know how I went through that stage as clean as I did except for the whole losing a shoe in the mud pit.
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Yeah, and then you were just struggle busing the shooting.
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Yeah, like I, the pistol down at the bottom wasn't bad. The running up the hill wasn't bad.
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Going through the mud was miraculously good for me.
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And then I just could not you could not hit your stuff.
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I could not make my long range hits.
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And that was the day that you could actually use support.
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Yeah.
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And you were in support.
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But I think half your problem is your height and that grass was as tall as me.
spk_0
Yeah, that was that was a problem for me was that the, the, the almost six foot periglass I was having a hard time seeing over.
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The flip side on that is I think you were very intentionally trying to work from left to right.
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And what I did is I'm just like, okay, which targets am I best going to be able to see?
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Okay, I'm not going to be able to get that one easily.
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I'm not going to be able to get that one.
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So what I do is I work with the ones I can easily see then come up and clear out the ones I didn't move.
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And can I do that as to which is going to be the quickest to acquire?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I still think I parked out on that stage.
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Yeah, we both did.
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But yeah, the engaging more every target you could see easily right away.
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So you had fewer penalties after paring out was the right call.
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And I, I just did a sweep from right to left and was struggling the spot and was struggling to see through the grass.
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And yeah.
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Yeah.
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Being short got me under the wire easily, but being short then made it hard to spot targets.
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Interesting.
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So it looks like you got one fewer target hit than me.
spk_0
Oh, I figured I would have been two or more back.
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I think that would be it because there's four stages per day.
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And that was the first stage for everybody.
spk_0
Yeah, because that would be stage five.
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Yeah, stage five.
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That was the last stage right?
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Yeah.
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Your total time was 420 and I was 360, which means that's 60 seconds delta.
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Yeah.
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So I, wow.
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I thought that I was farther behind you on penalties for that stage.
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Maybe.
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I don't know.
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I somehow screwed up on that stage and recorded the video as a time lapse.
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Granted, somehow managed to shut off the recording.
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I swear I told you, hey, I turned on the recording.
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And then you would go up and promptly turn off the recording.
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I know.
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I'm just starting at this stage.
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It's like, I know.
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And I was like, aww.
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There was that just.
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That just happened.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah, that one was trying to get the GoPro going on those was.
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And that was a struggle.
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Yeah, it's just a shame on that one.
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You didn't get video of me in the mud.
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And at that point in the day, that was the last stage of the day.
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And I was hot.
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And I was just like, I'm dying.
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Yeah.
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I'm struggling.
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Yeah.
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And I knew it.
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I didn't try and chase you.
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I didn't try and do video all that hard.
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Because I'm like, I'm trying to take it easy because I can feel myself.
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I'm like right on the edge.
spk_0
Oh, yeah.
spk_0
It's like, yep.
spk_0
No.
spk_0
Yeah, like you, if you had tried to go down and up the hill, videoing me, that would have had you way too gas to.
spk_0
I mean, I think that for going through your stage, because you were, we were always like one shooter apart.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
No.
spk_0
It was that one.
spk_0
I was just, I was doing so bad.
spk_0
I was, I was starting to think that I was going to have a heat stroke.
spk_0
I was, uh-huh.
spk_0
Pushing at that bad.
spk_0
Before we did that stage, I'm just like right on the edge of, I might need to tap out for health reasons.
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
You, you looked like you were kind of at the, at the limits of endurance there.
spk_0
Oh, yeah.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
spk_0
That's, that's one where, uh, going, dropping down a class to non-armored is looking.
spk_0
It looks really, really tempting for next year.
spk_0
Yeah, but I also figure, push ourselves.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
The, the put on the armor, go out and see just how bad you are or just how, like, I kind of looked at this year as a, well, I didn't have time to exercise.
spk_0
Or practice or practice or, we just, or practice shooting.
spk_0
So I'm going to find out what my, like, unpracticed baseline is this year.
spk_0
And that was definitely what was going to be me.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
I knew it was going to be bad, but I, I at least had, was like, well, I'm, this is going to be the one that, if I haven't practiced in a long time and I haven't been exercising, this is.
spk_0
This is my baseline.
spk_0
And we'll tell me why it's a good idea to go out into the grove and run every night.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
So, and left on that stage of shoots out of just the armored core guys.
spk_0
So that's just the guys doing armored core.
spk_0
We came in 30 second and 34th out of 38 people that actually did it.
spk_0
Now, that's where we came in on just our division.
spk_0
Let's see where overall is.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Oh, wow.
spk_0
Well, they're all you were good.
spk_0
And I was okay.
spk_0
I'm talking just this stage.
spk_0
I came in 93 out of 150.
spk_0
On the mud?
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
On the mud.
spk_0
Okay.
spk_0
That means I didn't look at my score.
spk_0
Yeah, you're 97.
spk_0
So we were still in the top two thirds.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Yeah, I know like overall you were in the, like at the very bottom of the top third.
spk_0
And I was in the, like the two third.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
spk_0
So I was like, yeah, that's it.
spk_0
That's kind of where I expected us to end up.
spk_0
And it's like, well, at least as a unpracticed untrained baseline,
spk_0
we're not completely sucking, but there's a long ways.
spk_0
There's a whole lot more that we could go up if we actually.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
I mean, I dropped 70 pounds.
spk_0
I'm looking at some of those videos of me.
spk_0
I'm like, oh, Lord, that armor is looking like a corset.
spk_0
Let's see.
spk_0
So our first stage of the day, we had the exact same outcome.
spk_0
You came in 34th, I came in 35th.
spk_0
I don't know why it lists us that out of.
spk_0
And that's how the armored core.
spk_0
So overall, we probably came in.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
And that was at the, the hitman.
spk_0
Yeah, stage.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
I wasn't possible to spot targets.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
So here we go.
spk_0
I came in 107.
spk_0
And you came in 102.
spk_0
Why there's that much of a delta?
spk_0
Huh.
spk_0
When we all had the same score.
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
And same penalties.
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
Unless it randomly arranged everyone that came in at the same spot.
spk_0
I'm guessing something like that.
spk_0
What I'm going to say is we hit that first stage of the day.
spk_0
And that zombie head target.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
That nailed both of us.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
I threw it.
spk_0
One, maybe two rounds at the wrong target before I figured out which one the photo was actually pointing at.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
I did the same thing and they said, no, the zombie head, the zombie head.
spk_0
So I shoot the zombie head.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Though I know the target over the zombie.
spk_0
I can't see Jack there.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Like it.
spk_0
They needed a little bit more for target ID on that stage.
spk_0
They needed more separation between those two targets.
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
They were two darn close.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
They were very close.
spk_0
They were very same, same.
spk_0
And just with the way the light hit it for when we did it, it was pure shadow so we couldn't see anything in there.
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
And it's just like it cool.
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
That's the nature of the stage.
spk_0
Based on the scores, not as many other people had the same problem we did.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
And I, yeah, I don't know.
spk_0
Which is just insane because I'm 90% sure my first target was the 500 yard.
spk_0
And I think I did a first round hit on that.
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
Yeah, it was first or second round for you.
spk_0
I, yeah, I just lost around the zombie target.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Yeah, I think I got, I pulled the zombie target one, one target further on than you did.
spk_0
So yeah.
spk_0
And I think we both got partially into the second shooting position because the way this happened is,
spk_0
first shooting position, you're there, your rifle's unloaded, you open the briefcase,
spk_0
you flip a, you pick up a picture, you flip it over, load your gun, take out that target.
spk_0
Flip the next picture, take that target, go through.
spk_0
Once you're through all five of those, you run to the next position,
spk_0
open the briefcase, start servicing targets.
spk_0
Yeah, I part out, part way through that.
spk_0
Yeah, they had a, a little over it, was it a dozen or was it 18 targets out there?
spk_0
I don't remember at this point, but there was a decent number.
spk_0
It was a, yeah, it was a bunch of targets from about 100 yards out to 500 yards.
spk_0
And you had two shooting positions, two briefcases at, you know, a briefcase at each one.
spk_0
And like five instax photos in each briefcase.
spk_0
And you would, they're flipped upside down, flipped, flipped face down.
spk_0
And you'd reach in the case and pull out a photo and had to find that target and shoot it.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
And until you were done with all the pictures at one state, one position,
spk_0
run to the next and do the same thing.
spk_0
And yeah, we both part out at the second position.
spk_0
A second position with the same number of targets remaining.
spk_0
Yeah, I am going to say maybe a five X magnifier and seven, three X may have helped.
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
Or better glass definitely would have helped.
spk_0
But yeah, glass LVPO probably would have maybe helped with the identification.
spk_0
But if you could, I could so high, you're going to slow yourself down everything else too.
spk_0
Yeah, you would have, yeah, you would have had a easier time seeing which target was which.
spk_0
But a harder time getting any one target in view.
spk_0
I'm going to say this, um, maybe my Tricycon one to eight would have been great for
spk_0
I danging that target because that is some of the glass glass use.
spk_0
Because it that's a, it's got a nice big lens.
spk_0
It would have put a lot of light through so you could have seen in that.
spk_0
There just barely after dawn half light.
spk_0
Yeah, I guess where the target was and hit it.
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
Which that sounds terrifying, but it was a known safe area.
spk_0
Yeah, you, you had a berm right behind it and you could see the target stand.
spk_0
So it's kind of a, oh, I couldn't see the target stand.
spk_0
I could make out the head roughly where I thought the body would be.
spk_0
And I sent it.
spk_0
Well, sometimes that's what you need to do.
spk_0
Sometimes that works.
spk_0
And it's glad it worked for you.
spk_0
Yeah, you're also kind of going, he did what now?
spk_0
Yeah, it's like I think I was, yeah, I would before you on that stage.
spk_0
And I was able to see each target eventually, mostly.
spk_0
But yeah, I didn't ever have to guess at where a thing was.
spk_0
I was just struggling to struggling to fight to get them.
spk_0
And then to hit them once I once I saw them.
spk_0
And I will say for the first person on each stage on each day,
spk_0
it gets way darn harder, man.
spk_0
Yeah, as you start to strip the paint off of the steel,
spk_0
it gets harder and harder and harder.
spk_0
Oh, yeah, on the natural stage, yes.
spk_0
Um, the mini-mo targets, oh my lord, without, yeah, no, those are, no.
spk_0
But with the stage we were doing, we were so early in the day.
spk_0
And it was just, because we started at six, well, we were supposed to start at six thirty.
spk_0
We started at like seven.
spk_0
And these are north south ranges, which means the sun's coming up in the east.
spk_0
And guess what?
spk_0
Everything that's tucked up along the east berm is going to be in shadow.
spk_0
Deep in shadow.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
You know what?
spk_0
I bet that might be why I was having more trouble than you,
spk_0
because you went before me and you're shorter.
spk_0
So you might not have had the sun directly on you.
spk_0
Yeah, I was still in shadow for that whole stage.
spk_0
I don't think I was.
spk_0
I think I was in sunlight.
spk_0
Yeah, if you were in sunlight coming in, the target was in shadow.
spk_0
That would have made it harder.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Because yeah, it was the sun had come up over that side berm and it was hitting you.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Good times.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
And then let's see.
spk_0
I guess we're back to the first stage we talked about, which was the Black Hawk Down stage.
spk_0
And that was one of the ones I did pretty well at, because it had a spinner, if I remember correctly.
spk_0
Yes, because you engage the target.
spk_0
So you fire the can cannon, trying to hit the car that's 100 yards away,
spk_0
Kitty corner on the berm.
spk_0
Then you whip out your gun, you start servicing like four targets straight out for you from you.
spk_0
Yeah, ahead of you.
spk_0
And then four around the car.
spk_0
Yup.
spk_0
Then run across and let's see.
spk_0
Yeah, so I just watch you do the can cannon, drop it, then you have to load your gun and make hot.
spk_0
You're servicing four steel popper, well, four steel silhouettes at 100 yards.
spk_0
And then you're servicing the car.
spk_0
Okay.
spk_0
And see.
spk_0
You know, could you imagine if they had cameras actually set up on these stages?
spk_0
That would be interesting if they had video of everybody.
spk_0
Oh, yeah, or just like, yeah, cameras up for it.
spk_0
So yeah, you service that, you grab the chain dummy dude.
spk_0
Oh, yeah, you had to drag the tummy across the way.
spk_0
Yup, so you have to unload your rifle, then drew the drag, run to a barricade, load up your pistol, engage three mini-mose,
spk_0
and then a hostage target and a spinner.
spk_0
So engage you in mini-mose.
spk_0
That's the silhouette where there's a hole in the center with a flapper.
spk_0
You hit the flapper in the center, pops the head up, you engage the head, dock, take the head down.
spk_0
Yup.
spk_0
And then the spinner,
spk_0
dang, you're hitting low.
spk_0
Yeah, well, my zero was messed up the whole match and I didn't figure out until late in the first day.
spk_0
Yeah, no, I'm seeing you on this where I'm seeing a couple of times where you're splashing on the bar.
spk_0
Below the target when you're trying to shoot the top.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Which six inches low is a bit too much, but.
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
And then from there, after you got the sparing gun, you had to engage all four of the silhouettes that were down at the other end of the bay.
spk_0
Across the bay.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Mm-hmm.
spk_0
See, I think we might have, I might have actually maybe caught a flash off your bullets as they were going across.
spk_0
Could be.
spk_0
And then after that one was the judge dread stage, right?
spk_0
Let me check.
spk_0
Nope.
spk_0
There was a bird flying across.
spk_0
Anything with pistols where you struggled, mightily.
spk_0
I know.
spk_0
Well, because.
spk_0
Practice more with rifle and then.
spk_0
Not as much with pistol and had a had my zero set wrong.
spk_0
Yeah, before we go too far, let's.
spk_0
The Gordy's gone stage.
spk_0
That's the one with the black Hawk down.
spk_0
I came in 15th and armored core.
spk_0
Where did you drop in at?
spk_0
You've got to be in here somewhere. Why am I not seeing you?
spk_0
Oh, there you are.
spk_0
22.
spk_0
So you came in under par time.
spk_0
Five out seven seconds.
spk_0
So you came in 22 out of almost 40.
spk_0
So close to top half for the division.
spk_0
Let's see overall halfway.
spk_0
That's not not as bad.
spk_0
Mm-hmm.
spk_0
Here we go.
spk_0
You came in 67th out of 150.
spk_0
And I came in 48th.
spk_0
So.
spk_0
Better than I thought.
spk_0
And then we were of course onto the one of the best stages.
spk_0
I love to this one.
spk_0
It was the judge dread stage.
spk_0
It was pretty fun.
spk_0
It's the one where we start off.
spk_0
You run over to a glock 18 and dump three rounds into a perp and go on.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
And here was the first sign that you, my friend, have pistol troubles.
spk_0
You have a machine pistol and it 10 yards.
spk_0
Miss a human silhouette with all three shots.
spk_0
I know.
spk_0
It's like I need to practice my pistol more.
spk_0
Because I should not have been missing there.
spk_0
Not with a machine gun and three shots.
spk_0
Mm-hmm.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
It's like that should be pretty easy to just put the gun on target and dump it in.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
I will say this is probably my best stage out of the match.
spk_0
So in our division, I came in ninth out of, you know, the 38 people that actually ran.
spk_0
Where you came in 30th second.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
So really what screwed you was the know your limits.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Is that the last target I could having a having is a bad zero when you're trying to shoot very little plates.
spk_0
Really screwed me.
spk_0
Yeah, though, I don't think.
spk_0
Yeah, you came in 90th on that stage of 150.
spk_0
Okay.
spk_0
And I came in 22nd.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
So I've I've part out, but it was only on that last.
spk_0
That last array on the know your limits.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
And even at that, you only had three penalties because you got the first plate.
spk_0
Which really it's just one of those.
spk_0
I kept, well, because you had to clear.
spk_0
You had to clear a know your limits.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
One shot each with no misses.
spk_0
If you missed, you have to start over.
spk_0
So like five or six times, I cleared three of them and then missed on the last.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
Or next to last.
spk_0
Because you were always missing low left.
spk_0
Like consistently low left is where your bullets were going.
spk_0
I know.
spk_0
And one of these days we need to both hit the range and have me shoot it and see if we're seeing the same thing.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
It's like it.
spk_0
I don't know because I was being very.
spk_0
After a couple of times through that, through that know your limits.
spk_0
I was being very, very, very specific to have a super tight death grip on the gun.
spk_0
And not let it push low and left.
spk_0
And we're still missing low and left.
spk_0
See, that's the funny thing.
spk_0
I would have compensated where I was aiming.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
And that stage is where we kind of figured out that I had a zero that I was zeroed low and left.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
This is one of the stages where I was running behind you.
spk_0
And I'm pretty sure this is the stage because we sat in this little bowl of a bag.
spk_0
And it was in direct sunlight with zero shade.
spk_0
And I was cooking and cooking.
spk_0
And there was no breeze.
spk_0
Yup.
spk_0
Oh, yeah.
spk_0
Yeah, that's why you were so overheated on the last stage.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
But.
spk_0
I will say I performed quite well on the stage.
spk_0
There was a few places where I missed.
spk_0
And I'm annoyed that it's like I missed those.
spk_0
And one of them I missed and I had to reload.
spk_0
It's like, no, it was my last one before moving.
spk_0
Yeah, but you did really well on that stage.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Just looking at the stats overall of the match.
spk_0
That's probably my single best stage.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Misa, running?
spk_0
Not do so well.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Like, let's see.
spk_0
Running.
spk_0
I can still kind of manage that.
spk_0
Running up the hill.
spk_0
I actually have a surprising amount of practice doing that.
spk_0
You're also carrying a lot less weight.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Well, I ran cross country in high school and my coach loved to make us go and run.
spk_0
And the less hills.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
See, I had asthma a ton of the kids.
spk_0
So I avoided running.
spk_0
At all.
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
I've been coasting for 30 years on exercise.
spk_0
I did in high school.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
I was the, I spent so many years not being able to do it.
spk_0
I got out of the habit.
spk_0
And.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
So I guess on to the next stage.
spk_0
It's the we say Zimbabwe now.
spk_0
This one they started you down in a gully.
spk_0
We say Zimbabwe now.
spk_0
That was the stage one or stage one day two.
spk_0
Well, yeah.
spk_0
This would be day two.
spk_0
Yeah, day two.
spk_0
Okay.
spk_0
Well, no, after the judge dread was the mud crawl.
spk_0
Yeah, we did the mud crawl, but we already discussed.
spk_0
We talked about it.
spk_0
And we've kind of talked about these all in order more or less as to like what stage one
spk_0
was stage two was.
spk_0
So we're flipping around back to the natural terrain stage.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
So they start you out down at the bottom of the hill, surrounded by six foot tall grass,
spk_0
a bit of a, a bit of a valley.
spk_0
And they start you there with your pistol loaded.
spk_0
You run through a section.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
And you have, I want to say it was like six.
spk_0
No, it was in grass.
spk_0
No, it was three targets and two rounds each.
spk_0
Yes, three targets, two round each.
spk_0
And then you drop the mag in one high value target.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
And there was not one position where you could hit all those from.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
If you do that, you run up to an ammo crate, drop your mag, high value target.
spk_0
And then you run up the hill.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
You're carrying your rifle and everything else at this point.
spk_0
Your pistol is holstered.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
And you're up the hill.
spk_0
Run up the hill.
spk_0
And I start running up the hill.
spk_0
And then we start getting on that curve section where we're starting on the edge.
spk_0
And I'm like, okay, one, I'm going to gas myself, but two, I am feeling nervous about my ankles
spk_0
that if I hit this just wrong, I'm going to roll an ankle.
spk_0
And I slow the hell down into a fast walk up to the end so I don't get injured.
spk_0
And then when it kind of gets to a straight run up the hill, not diagonal across it, I kind of speed up a bit.
spk_0
And then all the way at the top there, guess what?
spk_0
You have to shoot four targets, like freehand at at least a hundred yards to 150.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
150 yard steel, outhiding in the grass, freehand standing.
spk_0
Do you remember if that was one in shot or two shots each?
spk_0
I think it was two shots each.
spk_0
I think it might have been two.
spk_0
And it was two shots each and then change position, which is running.
spk_0
Well, yeah, running up hill more, run up hill more, drop your gun, pick up a machine gun, which is an M16, load it, dump that into the target, pick up your well, no wait.
spk_0
We had to empty our rifle before we ran, right?
spk_0
No, no safety on safety on safety on the rifle, ditch the rifle, pick up the machine gun.
spk_0
Dump that into a danger close paper target, set the machine gun back down, pick up your rifle, service all four targets again from that location, freehand only.
spk_0
And I think I was the first person at least on our squad that was like, what the hell am I doing?
spk_0
Because you had to run with your rifle slung, I'm like, I have a cutie.
spk_0
And I just detached that cutie from my handguard, let my sling lay and just started servicing targets.
spk_0
Uh huh.
spk_0
Because if you're going to ditch your gun, why fight out of the sling if you have a quick detached sling?
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Would you never got to that part?
spk_0
I know I think I discussed that strategy with you beforehand.
spk_0
No, I finished that part, heard that stage.
spk_0
Ah, okay, you ran before me, but the timer malfunction when you were at the first shooting position?
spk_0
Yes.
spk_0
So you never got to the other shooting position?
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
So you had to do that again, but I went and you had time to regain energy before doing it all over again.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Yeah, I got bumped down to end of the shooting order because they made me run all the way up the hill and then the timer had the par-beap go off a minute early.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
So I was like, oh.
spk_0
And yeah.
spk_0
So the second run, I was able to finish the stage.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
And you did the same thing I did of ditch the sling using the QD.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
Because it makes so much sense.
spk_0
There were a couple other crewards squad that saw that and go, shh.
spk_0
I should have done that.
spk_0
Uh huh.
spk_0
Yeah, everyone after you did that.
spk_0
Pop the sling if they could.
spk_0
Yeah, because it makes so much sense instead of trying to fight with your sling.
spk_0
Uh huh.
spk_0
Like yeah, have it get hung up on your kid as you're trying to get the rifle off.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
There's a reason that you have a QD mount.
spk_0
It's so that you can quickly get the sling off if it's caught on you.
spk_0
Uh huh.
spk_0
And yeah, because I remember that stage, I actually scored fairly well.
spk_0
Yeah, you came in 19th of our division, which I came in 21st.
spk_0
So we had about three second Delta.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
And I think that one was more you struggling with shooting where I came in.
spk_0
I kind of just did the shooting.
spk_0
And it was the move that they got me.
spk_0
Yeah, my advantage there was completely on the moving.
spk_0
Just throwing.
spk_0
Oh dang.
spk_0
So even on that one cross country running up the hill.
spk_0
Wow.
spk_0
So overall, you came in 48th out of 150 and I came in 51 out of 150.
spk_0
Wow.
spk_0
And we were wearing full kit.
spk_0
That means we were in the top third.
spk_0
Wearing plates and everything else.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
That's nuts.
spk_0
Then again, when I've been looking at the stats overall, the guys who were wearing the armored core were way higher in stats than on average.
spk_0
Yeah, I think the people who are crazy enough to do this match in plates tended to be fairly capable.
spk_0
Like those are the armored people or the ones who were in pretty decent shape and could shoot pretty well.
spk_0
I don't know if I'd say pretty decent shape.
spk_0
They could shoot well because there are a bunch of dudes in armor that were even worse off than me, I would say.
spk_0
Because remember we've seen some of them like shooting stages ahead of us.
spk_0
Yeah, there were some that were that were that were, but there were some guys that were in really good shape and have been.
spk_0
Yeah, there were some that were phenomenal.
spk_0
And it's a long time and for lots of practice.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
And then stage two, the not one step back.
spk_0
That was basically recreating enemy at the gates.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
That one was full of second fail for me.
spk_0
Same here.
spk_0
I mean, you had one more penalty than me.
spk_0
We both part out, which then again, I do shooting position one.
spk_0
I moved to shooting position two.
spk_0
So you have to start out barbed wire crawl into a shooting position, your gun targets.
spk_0
Out of there, barbed wire crawl to the next position targets, but the position two, if you have to crawl under a roof barricade.
spk_0
Into the basement, which that was a nice struggle for me to try and squeeze into.
spk_0
I think you said that they lifted it up a bit so I could squeeze on it.
spk_0
Yeah, they they thorough actually lifted the end up so that you didn't catch on it as as badly.
spk_0
Oh, yeah, I try going in, I catch and I'm start I'm just squeezing and twisting and turning and just struggling to get in.
spk_0
And then I service my targets there.
spk_0
There's one target I'm just failing to hit.
spk_0
I go for I'm like skipping and I start moving and start my next bar crawl on out, which I got out without too much problem.
spk_0
Start doing the barbed wire crawl time.
spk_0
It's like, yeah, and I timed out under that barricade.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
I just could not see the targets.
spk_0
Yeah, again, the magnifiers in that with because for us again, this was 6 7 AM and the lighting was just bad for us.
spk_0
Yeah, with what we were using the lighting and the eye boxing through the magnifier.
spk_0
I just could not figure out where the target was.
spk_0
Interesting.
spk_0
I was not having an eye boxing issue.
spk_0
I was having trouble getting to the right angle and position to see through my magnifier and dot underneath of that roof prop.
spk_0
Interesting.
spk_0
So I'll have to watch the footage more.
spk_0
So yeah, I came in 29th and you came in 30 seconds for armored core.
spk_0
So yeah, you were pushing 480.
spk_0
Do you care what it is overall or not?
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Yeah, it puts you in 110th.
spk_0
Okay.
spk_0
And me in 94th.
spk_0
So bottom third ish.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
Which is ironic that we're both having that problem on that one particular stage.
spk_0
Which is insane because during cornfield brutality, that's the same stage that wiped me the hardest and also hit you pretty hard too.
spk_0
Yeah, just that.
spk_0
That was the stage that we started at on brutality to you.
spk_0
No, no, that's not the stage we started out on the quality.
spk_0
That was that was our final stage of brutality.
spk_0
Every time is that 500 yard stage and what I find insane is every single time is not the far hard targets that are killing me.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
It's like surface of target long range.
spk_0
Okay.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Because brutality is what we started out and we had to get a hit at a 500 yard target from a rooftop barricade.
spk_0
And I think I got that in four hits with an un-magnified red dot.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Yeah, you did that not too bad.
spk_0
Like I remember brutality, you were skipping rounds off of a little rise in the middle of that bay.
spk_0
And I think that was getting me on the second position.
spk_0
Yeah, because I think we both feel that we're at the same point.
spk_0
Yeah, because the arrow was calling stuff high for me.
spk_0
Same thing.
spk_0
And I think what was happening is I was shooting mechanical offset was coming in and I was bouncing off that bouncing rounds off that rise.
spk_0
And then they were impacting high on the berm.
spk_0
Yeah, though you weren't using your bipod.
spk_0
So I'm like, I will use the bipod.
spk_0
And I think that's why I said that.
spk_0
I'm going to force myself to be higher.
spk_0
Which that's one thing I noticed throughout this match.
spk_0
You kept flipping out your bipod all the time.
spk_0
I never did.
spk_0
And I think you spent time flipping out your bipod and it didn't help you at all.
spk_0
Yeah, I really did not use bipod.
spk_0
I don't know that it.
spk_0
Yeah, this is the second year I've done that match.
spk_0
And I don't know that a bipod is actually useful in it really.
spk_0
Just it.
spk_0
It ends up being more of an entanglement hazard than a benefit.
spk_0
I mean, if you had a bipod that could extend out to six feet quickly and retract quickly.
spk_0
It'd be useful.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
If you had a shooting stick for the the stages where you have to be standing.
spk_0
Yup, except they wouldn't let you use it.
spk_0
Yeah, but yeah.
spk_0
Okay, so the next one would be the negative waves target.
spk_0
That had the you start off with the Thompson.
spk_0
Yup.
spk_0
This is the other stage where I fucking rocks that shit.
spk_0
Yeah, start with the Thompson.
spk_0
Dump 15 into steel close up.
spk_0
And then you had a couple couple of plates to hit with your rifle from from that same.
spk_0
Vehicle.
spk_0
Then go across and go to a position.
spk_0
You had the mini mose with a rifle.
spk_0
And then you had no no, it was the Thompson.
spk_0
You run to a sandbag position.
spk_0
Then you're shooting three.
spk_0
You have to cycle all let's see what was it.
spk_0
You had the three mini mose and three mini mose and one silhouette.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
And then you had a pistol spinner.
spk_0
Yup.
spk_0
Well, no, you had three mini mose.
spk_0
You had to cycle plus a silhouette.
spk_0
Move to second position.
spk_0
Three millimemos plus a silhouette.
spk_0
When you're done with that, drop your mag high value target one shot.
spk_0
Yes.
spk_0
Then you have the spinner.
spk_0
Then pistol spinner.
spk_0
Yup.
spk_0
And this is the one that just screwed everyone so damn hard.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Because there were so many targets past the spinner.
spk_0
There was 19 targets past the spinner.
spk_0
And guess what?
spk_0
There are some guys.
spk_0
There were one part out at the spinner.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Or part out part way through.
spk_0
Because some of them went to war with the mini mose.
spk_0
Uh huh.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
I spent more time on the spinner than I should have.
spk_0
And part out at my second pistol steel position.
spk_0
I mean, you still came in 24th in our division.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Which was not as bad as it could have been.
spk_0
I mean, part of the time was 660 here.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Which I see.
spk_0
That puts you in 66th overall.
spk_0
That puts you almost in the top third.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Which I realized I needed to quit the pistol spinner a lot earlier this year.
spk_0
Honestly, you probably would have been better off skipping the spinner altogether.
spk_0
Oh, yeah.
spk_0
spk_0
I should have hit it three times so that I had engaged it and then gone on.
spk_0
Because I would have only had the penalty for the spinner.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
Uh, biggest penalty in the match is somebody got 1620 in penalties.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
That's 1,620 seconds worth of penalties.
spk_0
They must have part out early on the minimos.
spk_0
They had 27 penalties.
spk_0
Ooh.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Ooh, boy.
spk_0
So, yeah, 19 after the spinner spinner.
spk_0
So they went out.
spk_0
They, ow.
spk_0
There were two guys that got that bad and they were both running gunfighter.
spk_0
Whoa.
spk_0
So even the guys that were running over it, like the dude running the Bren was cleared more of the minimos than them.
spk_0
Yes.
spk_0
It's like couple guys running garands and a guy running a 26 pound Bren shooting off the shoulder from the shoulder on that stage.
spk_0
They finished more of the minimos.
spk_0
So there were, let's see, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 people running that stuff.
spk_0
Uh, so old school guns.
spk_0
There were five people who ran this stage with that.
spk_0
And they got 91 overall.
spk_0
Was the highest any of them got.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
I'm pretty sure the guy that was running the grand and the Luger.
spk_0
I'm guessing he was the one that came in 93rd.
spk_0
Probably because he was the one that took the brand came in 125.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
That was interesting getting to watch him the whole match because that was that Brent was heavy.
spk_0
Yeah, no, thank you.
spk_0
I mean, I'd love to do it with it Lewis gun, but I'd also hate to do it with the Lewis gun.
spk_0
Oh, yeah.
spk_0
Especially when they make you load and unload on the clock.
spk_0
Yes.
spk_0
Oh, but again, we came out pretty well like overall on that stage.
spk_0
I came in 24th, which is insanely high.
spk_0
And I think I was 12 for armored core.
spk_0
So, but that's mostly because I attack it.
spk_0
And now this is insane.
spk_0
I go, I load up and I, as I'm running the bolt forward,
spk_0
I'm monopodging off the mag on the sandbags.
spk_0
And the bolt does not fully go into battery.
spk_0
I probably should have just taken my glove shoved into battery and said screw it.
spk_0
I'm like, no, I'm going to load it.
spk_0
I'm going to just rock it again because I guess the mag wasn't fully inserted.
spk_0
I induce a double feet, strip the mag, run it, then in, then go.
spk_0
And I still end up getting engaging all the minimos, the silhouette,
spk_0
second location, all the minimos.
spk_0
And then the last minimo, I'm just, I'm not getting it.
spk_0
And I said, screw it.
spk_0
I'm skipping, drop the mag, silhouette, take out the spinner.
spk_0
And I just clear out the rest of the stage and finish under par.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
And all I skipped was the one minimo that I was not able to get the center on.
spk_0
After what four or five rounds, I'm just dancing all around it.
spk_0
Just like that.
spk_0
Yeah, you just kept hitting left, right above below.
spk_0
And just right next to the, right next to the hole, but couldn't get it in.
spk_0
And it's quite possible that part of that problem was, hey, guess what?
spk_0
I'm running a pencil barrel with a, I guess I go a Sandman L.
spk_0
No, a Sandman S.
spk_0
So the, the standard size Sandman.
spk_0
So a full on machine gun rated heavy.
spk_0
Yeah, all on a pencil barrel.
spk_0
I would not be surprised if after that many rounds dumped through it, I'm starting to get mirage.
spk_0
Oh, yeah.
spk_0
There were a few times that I noticed mirage starting to form over my can.
spk_0
Yup.
spk_0
No, that's not what I was saying.
spk_0
Oh, yeah.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Time to do invention stuff.
spk_0
Yup.
spk_0
Hey, Matt, guess what?
spk_0
That tube, it came in.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
The box was beat to hell and gone.
spk_0
That I was terrified.
spk_0
I was okay.
spk_0
Tube came out five dimensions, 50 by 47 by 500 millimeter.
spk_0
So 50 millimeter external, 47 millimeter internal and 500 millimeter in length.
spk_0
Oh, yeah.
spk_0
Made in China, but for 40 bucks, we could probably machine that down into two or three different covers.
spk_0
Yeah, that could be a couple of covers.
spk_0
Yes, but I also want to try and see if we can force a vinteria effect.
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
So maybe overdo the length a little.
spk_0
Yeah, leave it long so that we can see if we can draw air through it.
spk_0
Yup.
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
So, yeah, that stage went really well for me.
spk_0
And you did decently well as well.
spk_0
I did okay.
spk_0
Again, it's your pistol and doing the spinner and we've got to get your spinner up so you can get practice on a spinner.
spk_0
I need, yeah, I need to practice on spinner.
spk_0
I need to, I need to do a lot of pistol practice.
spk_0
I used to be a really good at pistol.
spk_0
I need to get practice again and get, get good at it again.
spk_0
And then of course, the final stage.
spk_0
The Resident Evil stage.
spk_0
Yes.
spk_0
I think this is one of the ones where you did better than me actually.
spk_0
I...
spk_0
No, nope, nope.
spk_0
No, you did not.
spk_0
And as for one reason and one reason alone.
spk_0
Yeah, it's just because I was the first one of our squad to do it.
spk_0
And you penaltyed.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
I forgot that the...
spk_0
Well, why don't we describe what the stage was like before we...
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
See, you start with...
spk_0
It's a 50-yard bay.
spk_0
You start at the far end within an arm's reach of a target.
spk_0
You have to run across the entire bay underneath some tape.
spk_0
So, when you're at the far side of the bay, they yell to start.
spk_0
And you can hear the buzzer maybe if your ears are good enough.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
Then you come across and you have to run into a car.
spk_0
Run up the bay and around behind a car.
spk_0
Well, great.
spk_0
You have to run into the passenger door of the car.
spk_0
Grab a revolver and 44 mag.
spk_0
Load one round into it.
spk_0
And try and get one high-value shot on the target you just ran away from.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
So, yeah, load the revolver with one round and try and hit it with that one round.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Which...
spk_0
You hit it.
spk_0
Try to manage to do.
spk_0
I manage to do that as well.
spk_0
It looks like a decent number of people manage to do it.
spk_0
I'd say close to 50%.
spk_0
Okay.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Yeah, it wasn't an incredibly hard shot.
spk_0
It was more of a...
spk_0
We gave you one round and it's in a revolver.
spk_0
And you have to load it up right.
spk_0
There was a couple of guys that did it wrong and had to go through the entire cylinder.
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
I'm just surprised after the first time they didn't go, they didn't just like...
spk_0
We're just double-actioning it.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
That's really what they should have been doing.
spk_0
Probably.
spk_0
See if it doesn't go on the first one.
spk_0
I just want to just okay.
spk_0
Click, click, click, click, click, bang.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
But your...
spk_0
The guys were just trying to single-action it all the way through.
spk_0
Oh, yay!
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
I'm gonna take my time and make this one count.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
So once you get that hit, you put down the pistol.
spk_0
You move around behind the car.
spk_0
And you can't go past the end of the car.
spk_0
And you have zombie targets to engage.
spk_0
So it's a bunch of steel heads.
spk_0
And you have clays in some of them.
spk_0
You have to engage the clays first.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
So high-nark, of course.
spk_0
Backer clays out of...
spk_0
Out of them first.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
And that first one had two clays in it rather than one.
spk_0
So you went for one clay, cleared out that rack,
spk_0
and then went to the other rack and started clearing that out.
spk_0
Where you were supposed to clear out.
spk_0
Clay, clay, then all of them.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
So I went clay, the steel next to that one, got a procedural.
spk_0
The RO was nice enough to call procedural.
spk_0
So I realized that I had missed the second clay.
spk_0
Took the second clay, took the rest of the steel on that rack,
spk_0
and then went to the next position.
spk_0
Which would be running...
spk_0
Up behind her.
spk_0
Around the other side of the car,
spk_0
and then hop up onto the stack of pallets.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
Hop up onto the stack of the pallets that was supposedly an electrified fence.
spk_0
And then engage another rack from up there, then down,
spk_0
run up to the front of the car, engage a couple behind the car,
spk_0
engage one, run all the way across, the bay again,
spk_0
get right up next to another car, engage a bunch of those.
spk_0
And then again, now that you're a lot closer,
spk_0
engage that initial target again.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
Which two cutouts with flappers behind them in that big play would cut out.
spk_0
And of course, for you, you got the procedural.
spk_0
For me, I was slow because I kept freaking missing on that guy.
spk_0
So much.
spk_0
It's like...
spk_0
Yeah, you had a hard time on that last target.
spk_0
Yeah, I had a hell of a time.
spk_0
I was also finding trying to keep track of the zombie heads I'd cleared.
spk_0
I noticed there's a slight magnification to my double pane,
spk_0
hollow sun optic.
spk_0
So the fully enclosed 507...
spk_0
Yeah, 507K.
spk_0
I believe is the one.
spk_0
That thing fully enclosed, guess what?
spk_0
There's a little bit of magnification.
spk_0
spk_0
Okay, yeah.
spk_0
So just enough to screw up trying to bend in aim.
spk_0
Yeah, it was more like keeping track of a target.
spk_0
Hmm.
spk_0
Yeah, especially when they have a bunch of the same target right next to each other.
spk_0
Yes.
spk_0
And they were all right up next to each other.
spk_0
Maybe it's not the 507.
spk_0
509?
spk_0
I don't know the decoder code for which house son is this.
spk_0
509T, I bet.
spk_0
Okay.
spk_0
Let's see.
spk_0
Yep, 509T.
spk_0
Okay.
spk_0
Because, of course, trying to keep these track that that's easy, right?
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Yeah, it was the 509T red dot.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Yeah, there was a very, very slight magnification.
spk_0
But enough to be a problem.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
My old RMR came through again.
spk_0
Yeah, I hate the RMR though.
spk_0
Mostly because the RMR feels so tiny for me.
spk_0
It feels enclosed and cramped.
spk_0
Yeah, I don't know.
spk_0
This one just has been working.
spk_0
So I'm not going to change it on that.
spk_0
Going at least the enclosed dot seems super tempting because of the whole mud.
spk_0
Stuff doesn't get on the lens where you can clean the lenses really easily if something gets in them.
spk_0
So I need to get a need to get a dot of that style to play with.
spk_0
Yeah, Matt, you need to see this.
spk_0
I've got a video here done by bloke on the range through this optic.
spk_0
And it shows exactly what I'm talking about.
spk_0
Okay.
spk_0
Let's see.
spk_0
Though it might count as cheating.
spk_0
Now that I look at this.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
So it give you just a little bit of magnification to out with Lincoln the chat.
spk_0
Yep, I just pulled it up on my phone.
spk_0
Oh, yeah.
spk_0
That does do a little bit of something.
spk_0
Yeah, watch as it moves back and forth.
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Imagine trying to keep track of those zombie heads through that.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Yeah, as you're trying to track stuff and like the lens is distorting as you go from one head to the next.
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
Yeah, that'd be really easy to miss some.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
Yeah, that's where the RMR was nice because I didn't have that going on.
spk_0
And I knew where my zero or what my hold was.
spk_0
So hold just to the right of each head and it worked.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
And yeah.
spk_0
Cause I know I wasn't.
spk_0
I was paying attention.
spk_0
So I was shooting with proper form and not pushing it low left.
spk_0
It just that's where the dot was aimed.
spk_0
Her point of impact versus.
spk_0
Point of eight.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
But yeah, no, that that just little bit of magnification is just enough to get it.
spk_0
And screw you up when you're trying to keep track of a very close array.
spk_0
Yeah, it's like, hey, you know, it would be great.
spk_0
A 1.05 times magnification.
spk_0
Just enough that it distorts your view.
spk_0
Yeah, some people are speculating it might be like closer to 1.25 or 1.12 or something like that.
spk_0
Yeah, it could be.
spk_0
I was initially going to say 1.1, but like, it's not a lot of magnification.
spk_0
So, but yeah, it plenty to screw up tracking targets through it.
spk_0
The flip side is I bet that also made it a hell of a lot easier on a lot of the targets
spk_0
that I was going through that you were struggling with.
spk_0
Yeah, a little bit of magnification, what to help done.
spk_0
Places where you didn't have a ton of them stacked right on top of each other.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
And small steel.
spk_0
Let's see, you came in 95th.
spk_0
Okay.
spk_0
That stage.
spk_0
See, where were, where were you at on that one?
spk_0
Dang.
spk_0
The difference between me and you got me all the way down to 66th.
spk_0
Wow.
spk_0
Yeah, we weren't that far apart.
spk_0
No.
spk_0
See, I'm going to drop it.
spk_0
See, you had 1.5, 4, and 1.18, eee.
spk_0
36 seconds.
spk_0
Which means I was 30 seconds slower than you.
spk_0
No, 24 to 30 seconds slower.
spk_0
Yeah, that's, it's really one of those.
spk_0
You shoot it right more than anything else.
spk_0
And if I hadn't been struggling with those last hits, I probably would have smoked even harder.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Next year with bells on, right?
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Next year, next year with practice.
spk_0
Go in there in better shape and with actual practice shooting.
spk_0
You mean bullpups, right?
spk_0
We're shooting it with bullpups.
spk_0
I'm hoping to.
spk_0
I want to go in with the Jarred 3D printed bullpup.
spk_0
I mean, there was the guy there with the 3D printed BRN 180 lower to make it in L85.
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
And of course, I came off with one interesting thing on the prize table.
spk_0
It was not something I'd really been tracking, but where I got called, it was a pretty good option.
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
Now, I had not paid a ton of attention to it, but it's a meprolite foresight.
spk_0
Those things have been completely discontinued.
spk_0
It's super high tech, interesting, supposed to connect to an app, except for they've already
spk_0
given up on the app in less than five years.
spk_0
The app has discontinued.
spk_0
You can't install it onto anything.
spk_0
You can't get the app.
spk_0
So you can't network it.
spk_0
You can't use that and you can't do any of that stuff.
spk_0
So it's like cool.
spk_0
And what's the best is they don't even give you the full user manual inside the box with the optic.
spk_0
Yeah, it's supposed to QR code it to a website.
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
No, they give you a quick start guide that kind of tells you it's like, oh yeah.
spk_0
And go here to download the app and use it.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
The app is supposed to be your manual.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
And you can't find it listed on their site anymore.
spk_0
If you do a Google, you can find it through that way because it's listed under their discontinued products.
spk_0
And I found a copy of the manual there and printed it off because who knows how much longer that's going to remain online.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
Grab the...
spk_0
Well, that's the thing.
spk_0
Google's getting rid of side loading. Apple never had side loading.
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
So yeah.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
It's like that is a great thing.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
Because everything requires an app now, right?
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
Yeah, if you have the app, it looks like a neat site.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Because it's got all kinds of...
spk_0
You can have it at the front of the seller.
spk_0
You can use it at the front of them, not all of them without the app though.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
It's like a start thing.
spk_0
It's like a start thing.
spk_0
It may prove to be a trick, but I mean half of me is like, do I just take this off and put it on the original to war?
spk_0
Because I could shoot the match with this.
spk_0
I don't know if I want to shoot the match with this.
spk_0
Yeah, it depends on how much functionality you can get going with it.
spk_0
Also, the battery life was like at 50, 60% when I grabbed it there, maybe 80%
spk_0
And I get home and what do you think the actual battery percentage left was?
spk_0
Uh, 10.
spk_0
Close to it.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Boy.
spk_0
Yeah, that's not a lot of battery life to that thing.
spk_0
Oh, and it's a non-replaceable internal only battery.
spk_0
Oh!
spk_0
That you recharge via USB-C.
spk_0
At least it's USB-C.
spk_0
I mean it came out in 2020.
spk_0
Man, that's...
spk_0
That seems like that site would have been a little bit older than that.
spk_0
Yeah, nope.
spk_0
Huh.
spk_0
No, it's discontinued in five years.
spk_0
Oh man.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
The gun industry is great for doing that.
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
Come on with a great new tech idea and then immediately discontinue it and stop sporting it.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
That's normal.
spk_0
And that's why there's some things that I just haven't gone into, especially when it's more than one thing.
spk_0
Where it can't do 99% of the stuff on board.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
If it...
spk_0
Yeah, if it is going to take a lot of...
spk_0
Or something that needs support, just...
spk_0
Yeah, don't.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
I mean, seriously.
spk_0
The long-term support is just a pain.
spk_0
So...
spk_0
I think we should leave it here so we can get back to doing this 320 looking at.
spk_0
And we'll be back hopefully within a month, but...
spk_0
Yeah, hopefully we'll find something.
spk_0
It's like something's always coming up.
spk_0
Uh-huh.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Yeah, life is happening.
spk_0
Maybe we can...
spk_0
We'll make some more...
spk_0
Make some time.
spk_0
And try and be back.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
We'll still work on the 320 stuff.
spk_0
So, later y'all.
spk_0
Yep.
spk_0
See you guys.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
Yeah.
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