Game Of Thrones Podcast Episode 57 - House Of The Dragon Season 2 Episodes 6 - 7

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spk_0 Hello, there's your gentlemen. Welcome to another episode of the Game of Thrones podcast. I'm your host Carmine of right team review

spk_0 And I'm joined here once again by substitute teacher tray the explainer. Hello, mr. Trey

spk_0 I'm happy to be here. I'm happy to be here and this is the substitute teacher

spk_0 I like how people are calling you did you see those comments on people calling you something to teach a tray? Yeah

spk_0 For those of you wondering Preston is quite busy actually so he will not be able to join us for this and for those of you wondering

spk_0 Episode six and seven. Yes, I tried to record with my friend Joker who I love however

spk_0 Unfortunately, he had maracas going on in the background and

spk_0 Yeah, we had to we could not we could not do that

spk_0 But hopefully next time we'll have mr. Joker on and you know

spk_0 He can give us his takes as well

spk_0 Unfortunately Preston and many of the youtubers

spk_0 I know whether it's like time differences or they have like you know working for the government to destabilize

spk_0 Southeast and countries like this is sometimes you know certain things come in getting the way of recording

spk_0 But no, thank you for being with me Trey and as always guys were available on soundcloud 9 tunes

spk_0 I think we are I don't know I may have gotten suspended on there. I think I

spk_0 Might have gotten on there and maybe well, let me get back to you guys on that

spk_0 I don't fucking know. I don't know

spk_0 But we're available on YouTube of course, so you know leave that like and comment and all that stuff and yes

spk_0 because we did not have a podcast last week we'll be covering six and seven today and

spk_0 Yeah, Trey, thank you for being with me here. Are you ready to get into this? Oh?

spk_0 Yeah, for sure

spk_0 So let's start with episode six the small folk. I was actually not too big of a fan of it because I felt this episode

spk_0 had a lot of stuff just

spk_0 put in here from other episodes and

spk_0 I'll go into why so let me read the synopsis here

spk_0 Jason Lannister leads his army to the golden tooth which I thought was pretty cool

spk_0 It's the opening thing where the Lannisters and they have a cage lion for some reason. Yeah, I like that

spk_0 Yeah, yeah, they're gonna they're gonna fight with them

spk_0 They're gonna be used the cage lion in the battle or something because um

spk_0 There's like a like a some Egyptian pharaohs apparently did that so maybe they're kind of inspired by real history there

spk_0 Yeah, that's gonna be so much CGI

spk_0 To fucking unleash

spk_0 I'm lying on the riverbed because holy shit

spk_0 But a buddy of mine was asking me why why did they bring a lion? Well, they're the Lannisters and that's pretty much all you need to know

spk_0 It's that's pretty much it but no we got to see the golden tooth finally because in the books

spk_0 They always mentioned the golden tooth that comes up fairly often

spk_0 It's kind of like a pathway into the into the western lens and we finally get to see it here more

spk_0 Minor houses that are sworn to other great houses. I love seeing that stuff because in the previous episode five

spk_0 We saw a master piper and I think um

spk_0 Well, I forgot the other one yeah, no and they're sworn to the river lens. I love I love seeing stuff like that

spk_0 I love seeing that stuff too because like I think of the the final season a game of thrones with head that like epic

spk_0 Great council or whatever and you don't even know it like the three other guys's houses are they don't they're not even like the writers

spk_0 Didn't even write down what those are and then here you're like yes

spk_0 I reckon so many minor houses. I can read those

spk_0 Siddles and know who they are because they break their fucking sigils on their on their gorgets

spk_0 Am I saying that word right gorgets or gorgets?

spk_0 Gorgets. Thank you. Yeah, but they're like like Oscar Tully put his like the trout on his gorgets. So

spk_0 and and in game of thrones the only minor houses we ever see are those sworn to house Stark like

spk_0 fucking

spk_0 in

spk_0 Black

spk_0 You got more months and umber and car stark and so and so forth and a bunch of like random meet-up ones

spk_0 But no, I love seeing that here, you know that one was great

spk_0 Um, and then we get another small council scene with Amand I

spk_0 Have to ask you this

spk_0 Do you feel like Amin is becoming way too much of a fucking anime villain now like before it was a meme and now it's just

spk_0 He just feels like a villain now like an actual anime villain

spk_0 Yeah, and it's weird how quickly his change happened because they like

spk_0 Because okay, I was thinking beginning of the season they make they like tried to save Amin right there like oh it was an accident that he killed that kid

spk_0 Killed Luke and and they were trying to redeem his character like he's not actually that evil even though everybody thinks he's evil

spk_0 And then like for some reason I don't even know when the change happened

spk_0 He's just anime villain. Yeah, he's killing his brother. He's

spk_0 Um in the council and he's like yelling at everybody

spk_0 He's because I'm trying to think he is this the the council meeting where he

spk_0 Um, Laurie's is trying to like manipulate him and he just like sees right through it. Yeah

spk_0 Yeah, yeah, he is he I think he is like anime villain like he's he's less interesting now because he's not

spk_0 I know he doesn't feel that entry complex or deep

spk_0 He's someone is gonna try countering you by saying well power corrupts

spk_0 Yeah, I understand that but at the same time I think my issue is also the actor's voice

spk_0 So the episode opens up with him going

spk_0 Yeah, um send send word to the prince region that we will move when he joins us on vegar

spk_0 And the scene cuts back to Amin reading that message and he goes he dares to summon me

spk_0 He sounds like a power ranger's villain. They like like he really does

spk_0 He sounds like the English dub of like a my here academia villain

spk_0 Wow, I hate you

spk_0 You are you like you're right he does

spk_0 During during the rook's respattle when he's about to burn Aegon he goes

spk_0 Trecaurus it's like my man needs like a fucking a reekolo a something for his throat holy shit

spk_0 Why do you sound like that also we also we get a scene before I move off Amin

spk_0 Him relieving allocent of whatever her job was what is her she's just advisor to the king yeah

spk_0 I think it's weird that she's on the small council to begin with like she's like surprise she's dismissed

spk_0 But like she doesn't really have a

spk_0 Title I guess she's the region or queen mother or something their king mother or something like that

spk_0 Queen Dowager

spk_0 Queen Dowager. Yeah, like I don't know how much

spk_0 Advice she'd be supplying you know

spk_0 What like that's why I thought it was so weird that renaissance into king's landing to have a meeting with her in episode three

spk_0 Like what power does allocent have at all right now even back at during episode even even in season one

spk_0 When like before Amin kills Luke what power that allocent even have back then everyone was kind of working against her

spk_0 Right, what what power has she ever really had over her sons either

spk_0 She I don't know it doesn't seem like she had much control over her sons period to begin with

spk_0 That's that's true. That's true

spk_0 I also want to bring up a rain ear on that topic because apparently

spk_0 So Stefan Darklin had a Targaryen

spk_0 Pretty much a princess at that point is Targaryen princess areiana Targaryen which that does not exist

spk_0 That's not a thing. I feel like this is an attempt to do Ed Sheeran for House of the Dragon

spk_0 I saw people complaining about this too where um they call her a princess

spk_0 But it the if you plot it out on a timeline

spk_0 It's probably before the conquest of of western like Aegon's conquest

spk_0 So like she probably wouldn't be a princess unless like they use that title even before they were kings and stuff

spk_0 That's fine. You're right. You're right that it is an Ed Sheeran situation where they're like

spk_0 Integrating their own character. Well, and even in the show continuity

spk_0 There's that scene if you remember at

spk_0 Joffri's funeral in the sept or whatever where tywin's talking to Tom and

spk_0 And he mentions

spk_0 several kings like he mentions. I think jaharies

spk_0 Um, and he mentions baylor

spk_0 And then he mentions like

spk_0 Oatho or something like that like a a made up Targaryen king that never existed at least never existed in like the show in the book continuity

spk_0 So

spk_0 They do make up stuff from time to time trying to think what

spk_0 On a tywin

spk_0 What it was it because I remember what it was and people were like what do that is otho otho like like a Targaryen or whatever

spk_0 Oh gosh. Yeah, yeah, I'm I have the scene right here. Uh, oh good good

spk_0 Uh

spk_0 Tywin says he says the time and what makes a good king think what's a good king single most important quality time and goes holiness

spk_0 Yes, baylor the blessed was holy and pious he built this sept

spk_0 He also named a six-year-old boy hyped septum because he thought the boy could work miracles

spk_0 He ended up fasting himself into an early grave because food was of this world and this world was sinful

spk_0 Tom and says justice

spk_0 Yes, a good king must be just or as the first was just everyone applauded his reforms or nobles and commoners alike

spk_0 He was murdered in his sleep after less than a year by his own brother

spk_0 Was that truly just of him to abandon his subjects to an evil he was too gullible to recognize

spk_0 Yeah, I don't know who worse the first was unless he's talking about my horse

spk_0 Aegon's brother

spk_0 Yeah, he's like half brother oros Baratheon like the head of house Baratheon but he never was king is the thing

spk_0 Yeah, so

spk_0 Yeah, well, it's weird why make up a because there's plenty of them

spk_0 There's plenty a Targaryen kings. I don't know why the script writer decided to just make up their own king there

spk_0 Because you could have said like I don't know. What was it just?

spk_0 Mm-hmm

spk_0 Like I don't know. I'm thinking of like like people called jahari's just I guess like and you could say like oh he

spk_0 He was not able to stop the dance of the dragons or something like that

spk_0 He was just but he did I don't know something. I don't know you can make up something

spk_0 You can make or for some of the future rulers like that we don't know anything about like I don't know

spk_0 May lore or whatever may car may car like I we know nothing about like may

spk_0 Cars rain or anything or I don't know dare on the second. I don't know something like that

spk_0 Good you could figure out something, but I guess I guess they decided that so this is a situation like that where they are

spk_0 What is their what is her name?

spk_0 Ariana Ariana Targaryen. I looked it up. There's no Ariana Targaryen. I'm assuming it's the show like some what giving invitation to Ariana Grande

spk_0 I think I'm just assuming that why

spk_0 I

spk_0 I don't know maybe there's a person on the on the cast who really likes Ariana Grande like how

spk_0 Maisie Williams really love that she's here. Oh my god

spk_0 That's so fucking stupid that it's just like yeah, she's a fan of him. So let's let's get him on the show and give him like the scene where his face is there

spk_0 And then kill him right or castrate and whatever they did in that character apparently

spk_0 By the way, um, we were on Allison. She actually had a good scene this this episode episode six where she's talking about Daron

spk_0 And I like the sad reality of how Daron according to Gwayne is very kind and also the only son she'd never raised so

spk_0 Yeah

spk_0 I let that scene with um Gwayne

spk_0 Hightower and her is a I think that's like the best I thought that was the best scene in the episode

spk_0 because they're just they're pretty solid actors and um really that was your favorite scene and not the Missoria Reneira kiss

spk_0 Oh, okay, okay, I forgot that this was that episode um that I said I was like right on Goryneira

spk_0 Oh, yeah, it kind of felt a little random, but okay

spk_0 Well, they were trauma bonding and like you're talking and Missoria is talking about incest and you're talking about incest to the wrong person because the Targaryen's a very horny for that

spk_0 But I do there wasn't a theory that people were putting out and I thought about it at first because

spk_0 Missoria historically and in in the source material was always Damon's

spk_0 Haant like Damon's um for lack of a better term lackey

spk_0 Uh, but I don't mind them switching it up a bit

spk_0 However, the theory that people were putting forth is that Missoria is playing Reneira

spk_0 Oh like lady Mary weather with Cersei. Mm-hmm

spk_0 Okay, I and and people and and was it pressed pressed and asked me did I feel like the chemistry

spk_0 And I was like yeah, yeah, I kind of did

spk_0 I really feel the chemistry yeah, and that's seen in particular

spk_0 But no other scene before then, you know like I don't know just heard like complimenting her like it's funny because

spk_0 At the beginning of the season we were joking about Jason and uh what's his name

spk_0 Something stark. Oh a Kriegenstark

spk_0 Kriegenstark having like chemistry and like oh, yeah, they should kiss like you you can ride my dragon or something like that

spk_0 And then like it's funny that we were joking about because I joked about it in this scene and they actually did it

spk_0 I was like oh, oh my to be fair to the people saying that um

spk_0 They didn't have chemistry

spk_0 Kind of yes, remember Reneira's whole arc this entire season for the most of it is

spk_0 Her just like trying very hard to make sure that like this is something that she really wants

spk_0 All-out war there's no turning back

spk_0 We we need to be super duper sure and all her counselors are like

spk_0 You know

spk_0 Short of badmouthing her they're disrespecting her doing this this and this they're questioning her and they have their own reasons and some of those reasons are valid

spk_0 But if you think about it, Missaria is the only person not giving Reneira shit for any of the stuff she's doing and outright helping her do some of those things

spk_0 So it make to me it made sense

spk_0 Yeah for I agree I totally agree with that we're like in this in like I really understood why

spk_0 She felt that way because like she everybody's shaped like her whole council including her son

spk_0 It's like constantly shooting on her any chance they can get and it's like so frustrating and I get it that she's so frustrating

spk_0 If you're somebody to actually

spk_0 Know be like no you're doing the right thing and and don't listen to them like

spk_0 That she feels in that moment where she embraces her and stuff. It's like yeah, I get that. That was really like I felt that

spk_0 So I thought it was good. I know a lot of people out of a whole bunch of problems on didn't like

spk_0 Saudi Arabia like

spk_0 They were okay with the child killing and they were okay with all the other like crazy. They're okay with the insults and all that but like the lesbian stuff. No

spk_0 That's always weird to me because because you're right and I saw people complaining about it on twitter too

spk_0 Like I'll know people that are right weighing or whatever or who were like anti-woak or whatever like this is game of thrones

spk_0 You're talking about in game of thrones like

spk_0 Yeah, yeah, you should kind of expect like I don't know

spk_0 Lesbian kissing on game of thrones. It's like a staple, you know

spk_0 They were trying to because because the because the the actress for Rainier and Medarzy

spk_0 Does they dumb pronouns

spk_0 Whenever like anything pronoun, you know the right always gets very upset

spk_0 It did it they tried to like

spk_0 Latch onto the interview where with the misaria actress where she said that in the script

spk_0 Rainier was not supposed to kiss misaria. It was supposed to be somewhat of a tease

spk_0 But apparently Rainier or just the actress just went for it and

spk_0 Yeah, so I don't mind. Fuck it. I I in episode seven. I wanted to go back them to go right back to it

spk_0 But that's just me. I have no problem with that at all to me

spk_0 It was of course of course Rainier would would be

spk_0 somewhat closer to misaria. I mean sorry is the only person glazing her up everybody else is just talking shit to her

spk_0 So of course, but um

spk_0 This episode is like her only friend. She's like her

spk_0 True friend and and she's she's her husband's husband left her she's all she feels like totally alone

spk_0 And I get it like and that happens where people like

spk_0 Or are at a low point in their life and they have like a friend and

spk_0 The that'll happen where you mix you mix like the the friendship and that type of support there with like a romantic feeling as well

spk_0 Like um, I don't know. It's pretty common for people to feel that way. So 100% yeah, I thought of his good. Yeah

spk_0 I didn't mind. I don't want to have more of the scene in the scene where the door opened. I thought it was gonna be Damon

spk_0 I'll see you David open in door like he's like I'm back

spk_0 I finally made my decision to support you

spk_0 And he's like I'll put money season three we get like a like a threesome between them. I'll put fucking money on that

spk_0 I would why not

spk_0 So what else happened in this episode? I feel like a lot of stuff did happen

spk_0 I'm the topic of misaria. We got to talk about how

spk_0 The master of whispers

spk_0 For house the dragon are fucking dog shit compared to the master of whispers in game of thrones. Larus is supposed to be

spk_0 The guy is awful. He's just job. He's terrible Damon snuck in

spk_0 In out of king's landing and then arranged the assassination attempt

spk_0 Rainier of snuck in and out

spk_0 Missaria still has her own spies and is putting out propaganda my man. What the fuck are they they sent little boats

spk_0 What supplies from dragon stone all the way to king's landing. How did you not catch us any of this?

spk_0 Right, right

spk_0 Like yeah, like like your missar like it's it's not that missar is like good like a really good master whispers

spk_0 It's that larries is like a really really bad one because I'm thinking about the next episode

spk_0 Where what is it the justice here? What's his name?

spk_0 A lot is the one telling

spk_0 He's the one telling larries about like the the the nude the dragon seed situation like why is he of all people

spk_0 He's like the judge. He's like the justice guy. Why is he know about that?

spk_0 Um and larries is like oh, I'll tell the king because like okay earlier

spk_0 You could at least make the excuse that larries is maybe like a double agent

spk_0 You know

spk_0 But they've kind of like undid that where larries is at least in this episode

spk_0 This is the episode where a gun finally wakes up and larries is like talking to him and giving him that like pep talk

spk_0 Um, but you see that larries is actually no. He actually is on agon side

spk_0 Like he he he is giving agon like honest heartfelt advice on like

spk_0 To to live and to become king and stuff like that and maybe I don't know like I thought I thought before

spk_0 Okay, maybe the excuse is that like

spk_0 larries was the one that was playing both sides and he was a bad master whispers just like

spk_0 To enable raneera or something like that

spk_0 Um, but no like yeah, he actually is a bad master whispers is what I'm getting at. Oh, he's fucking terrible and and

spk_0 Whatever happened to something had to have happened in the writer's room because season one he was such a creep and then season two

spk_0 He has what no scenes with Allison at all. He just latches on to agon

spk_0 He has one scene with Allison and they're and she doesn't remark on that he's a creep remember

spk_0 Like where he's talking to they're talking to each other and and she's like whatever

spk_0 Viseric's intentions were died with him or whatever right it's too late to undo

spk_0 Um, and like they don't mention that he's like a total creep that gets off to her feet like that's just left unremarked

spk_0 They're like their relationship acts like they're just business like it's totally normal. It's very strange

spk_0 Yeah, that they totally undid the creep angle like it's not been mentioned and he doesn't act like a creep

spk_0 He acts like a pretty kind guy this season, which is weird

spk_0 Oh, yeah him

spk_0 Excuse me him telling a agon you survived dragonfire. They'll write you in the legends

spk_0 That was

spk_0 My man's a dude my man's a bro. He's he's he's he's latched on to agon, but like

spk_0 I'm assuming because agon gave him that position and like lifted him up like okay fine

spk_0 But this loyalty I feel like we should have had more of an explanation as to why he's so loyal

spk_0 Yeah, he because because I thought he was earlier in the season and I think this was what intended is that he was manipulating agon

spk_0 like agon was the easier to manipulate and aim and

spk_0 Solver it through it. So he latches on to agon

spk_0 But the scene in this episode where he has that like heart to heart with agon about

spk_0 Being a disabled person and what that's like in their world

spk_0 um

spk_0 It feels deeper like he actually does like him like it and wants him to succeed in stuff

spk_0 Um, I agree with that actually is a good point

spk_0 Yeah, like he's not just using him as a pond like now he actually does care about agon

spk_0 Um and wants him I don't know he sees he sees a bit of himself an agon and that kind of thing

spk_0 um, yeah

spk_0 So that's a good I said you're a good point

spk_0 The other thing that happened in this episode and and before I go into this are you you're familiar with

spk_0 Preston's genetics of the dragons and whatnot

spk_0 Mm-hmm. Okay good because I'm not familiar with what

spk_0 Um, we got to talk about C-smoke bonding with Adam instead of Stefan Darklin

spk_0 So they both have on I guess Stefan Darklin had a drop of dragon blood and this is a ck2 game of throne's mod

spk_0 Reference just to drop a dragon blood

spk_0 We used to think that would be enough to tame the dragon, but I guess not some people are saying that laynor is dead

spk_0 And therefore that is why a new writer can

spk_0 Write the dragon I believe that laynor is alive because

spk_0 The storyline is gonna need him in the future to help Alan

spk_0 Find the the missing children if you know what I'm talking about

spk_0 Oh, oh, okay, okay, I like that as a as a to bring bring him back

spk_0 I like that as to bring him back to find the kids in in sos

spk_0 That would be kind of a good redemption for his character too

spk_0 Hundred percent a way to bring him back hundred percent, but I think

spk_0 Laynor is still alive, but the bond is just like a broken Wi-Fi signal

spk_0 So C-smoke is trying to find someone close enough to

spk_0 Laynor with his blood and psychic psychic connection that you know, it's still there

spk_0 I believe if laynor was dead maybe Stefan Darklin could have written

spk_0 C-smoke, but because laynor is still out there then that's why c-smoke went specifically for Adam of Hall and

spk_0 I didn't mind it. It's just the one thing that annoys me is the behind the scene stuff where Ryan Condal says

spk_0 We don't know

spk_0 How the bond between dragons and its writer works and I think George R Martin himself in a block post said

spk_0 Yeah, we're gonna explore that more wins of winter and dreams spring

spk_0 Yeah, that's it I didn't when I didn't like about is that just C-smoke just like sought him out

spk_0 Mm-hmm, and like I

spk_0 And people were are pulling like the you know like a few of how like religious people go like the Lord works in mysterious ways

spk_0 Like that's kind of how like it like it's it's not an explanation

spk_0 It's just kind of like don't think about it like don't think about it because we're not gonna explain it yet

spk_0 um

spk_0 Like like C-smoke just randomly decided to choose this one guy and in the next episode it's implied that

spk_0 Uh his his mom right is is a Targaryen or maybe was part Targaryen or something? Yes

spk_0 That's what that's what it was hardly implied because I guess you have to have

spk_0 This is why I ask you about Preston's genetics with the ragnas and whatnot like um

spk_0 I guess you have to have a specific amount of blood because in that very next episode episode seven which we'll get into in a minute

spk_0 Coralus says to Alan yeah

spk_0 um even though we're valerians we're no dragonlords

spk_0 But for hundreds of years the valarians and Targaryens both have like intermarried so

spk_0 Surely you have enough Targaryen blood

spk_0 Like Aegon the conqueror is part is he part um

spk_0 Valarian like I think he's like half valarians. Yeah, he's half valarian

spk_0 like he his mother was a valarian um

spk_0 And the Targaryens and the valarians intermarried a ton like a ton so you'd expect there to be

spk_0 Some like ainis okay ainis married a valarian

spk_0 um

spk_0 Yeah, yeah, they should they they should they like the valarians should have dragon rider blood in them like

spk_0 the problem is is that

spk_0 We our sample size is so small like that's the thing is like who can ride a dragon and how much blood is needed like how much

spk_0 Targaryen ancestry is needed to ride a dragon

spk_0 is is hard to parse out

spk_0 um

spk_0 Because

spk_0 Okay, cuz I cuz I commented under press to say I commented under press to think because in this episode is this episode where

spk_0 they were like um

spk_0 Oh, maybe it was the episode before we're we're

spk_0 Jason in renear our talking and he calls the magrals

spk_0 Hey, no, that's the that's the next one

spk_0 But the one before this where they're like the blood she renear is like the blood's too thin or something right what is it um

spk_0 And and I was like calculate and written it's kind of funny for a renear to say that because she's only

spk_0 Two-thirds Targaryen if you look at the family tree

spk_0 Right and let's remember

spk_0 Ryan condo is is fun

spk_0 I love I love Ryan condo throwing book fans a bone every now and then with some of his like

spk_0 His knowledge of the we could tell he's a fan

spk_0 But he's at the same time he's also fucks with the the the source material in a sense

spk_0 And that's okay to fuck with it because it's his own separate thing not a full one-to-one adaptation

spk_0 But technically renear should be mixed race if you think about it because jaharis I believe is half philorean right

spk_0 Yeah, and so jaharis himself that we see an episode one of season one

spk_0 That dude looks like the widest person that has ever existed he looks like the blueprint for white people

spk_0 so

spk_0 Like I

spk_0 Okay, like and don't know in renear renear's own children are

spk_0 Are one-third or what is it? It's like about one-third

spk_0 Targaryen because because they're they're full-blooded on their father side at least in the show

spk_0 With with how strong so it's it's running pretty thin even in her kids

spk_0 um

spk_0 But that that's implying that it it's inherited in a specific way or something like that

spk_0 They'll get to the problem is we don't know like our sample size is so so small on like what counts as what who can actually be a dragon rider and how much Targaryen do you need to be because

spk_0 Okay, cuz

spk_0 Hugh hammer in the next episode is revealed to be

spk_0 half

spk_0 His his mom was Sarah. So he's half your comment by the way

spk_0 What did I say? I was trying to find it a second to go back this was episode five. Just say it out. Let me see if I can oh my god

spk_0 So you said in episode so press and you said this in press and um

spk_0 Uh, how's the dragon watch season two episode five the region you said the quote unquote the blood may be too thin

spk_0 And you said renear your own mother was only half Targaryen at best your kids with harwin are like one-third Targaryen

spk_0 To which someone replied to you and says three eighths Targaryen which is slightly more than one third

spk_0 But your point stands I was rounding down

spk_0 Yeah

spk_0 But yeah, yeah, it's that's the thing is it's running pretty thin in her own kids

spk_0 um

spk_0 And let in less like house strong for some reason has dragon riding

spk_0 ancestry in their house which makes no sense um

spk_0 Yeah, yeah, so so at the very least you only need to be like one third Targaryen is the thing in order to ride a dragon

spk_0 Because all her kid all her kids are dragon riders, right?

spk_0 Like jace luke

spk_0 They're they're both dragon riders which which I don't know the chances of that happening would be pretty slim

spk_0 But also they had the advantage of having the dragon eggs in the cribs with them because remember Targaryens for the most part

spk_0 The I don't know if this is in the show is why I feel like it is in the show as well

spk_0 Maybe not but remembering the source material how they say like they put a dragon egg in the in the crib with the babies

spk_0 So they can bond super early

spk_0 Yeah

spk_0 So yeah, I think that's in the show continuity too. I'm pretty sure they brought it up at least once

spk_0 But how come they didn't put a dragon egg in aamans crib

spk_0 Oh, it's a good point. This is a good point

spk_0 So

spk_0 Maybe maybe they're there weren't enough eggs or something like that. I don't know. That's a good that's a good point

spk_0 I the problem is I think George hasn't put this much thought into it either so it's hard to say like that's the thing is

spk_0 um

spk_0 Like I don't know if George has really thought this through like ancestry wise like and and and and the thing is the problem with fire and blood is that the ancestry of characters is often ambiguous like in the books

spk_0 It's very unclear if

spk_0 Renera's kids are actually

spk_0 With harwin strong or not like it's it's kept very very ambiguous like they very well could be

spk_0 um lane or his kids as well and and those were just lies

spk_0 um so

spk_0 Well mushroom tells us that uh there was a threesome in the sources here at least between renaera lane or in his lovers so

spk_0 Something must have gotten in there somehow something

spk_0 George George has this weird thing um and this is something he brings up with his gay characters a lot that like because it's it's brought up with um

spk_0 uh

spk_0 Renly in um

spk_0 Uh, what's her what's her name? I'm really bad right now uh

spk_0 Tyrell the Tyrell girl what's her name?

spk_0 Which one? This is a marjorie

spk_0 Marjorie with where stannis is like like marjorie is gonna stay a maid and you're a bad riddly like it's a kind of weird that like

spk_0 Really wouldn't even try you know like try to have a biological kid like there's things you can do like I don't know

spk_0 So I'm gonna be very real with you once upon a time. Yeah, when I was in high school. I know this one kid named chris

spk_0 Coolest fucking dude ever and yeah

spk_0 I asked him one time because we were 14. I asked him like so chris so like you don't like girls. You go's no

spk_0 Have you tried and he's like yeah? I tried it is just couldn't like and I asked him what happened

spk_0 Well, I just couldn't get hard. Oh

spk_0 Like have you like you tried doing it yourself and then like you know trying to get in there and he's goes

spk_0 Yeah, it's just

spk_0 Every time I like would like try to like you know put it in it just get softer like I just I just I don't find it attractive

spk_0 And he goes between us. I find it kind of gross. Oh, okay. Sorry to hear that well well now

spk_0 So I maybe that's the problem is just he can't that's the thing

spk_0 Because I just know historically like there's many like historical figures like where

spk_0 Being get you had to hide it or whatever or where you had to have political marriages because that's like the middle

spk_0 The real middle ages like there are so many political marriages and somebody sexuality was like a relevant where they did have kids

spk_0 Like they would like they would have kids

spk_0 It would just like they would not stay with like they would not be like a regular thing

spk_0 Um, so I don't know maybe I'm maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong because George has this thing where his gay characters can never

spk_0 Have kids they can't they can't have kids with a woman. They just they won't even try

spk_0 Um, I don't know they should try right you could try because in the show don't they bring that off is it went on a

spk_0 Rindley's wedding night doesn't it's in Marjorie like really chill she's like she turns around

spk_0 Brother could come in yeah

spk_0 By the way, uh, I think

spk_0 George I think did confirm that Jason Luke are bastards. So there's this um, I've been I've been saving

spk_0 I've been saving this for quite some time. So give that a look see

spk_0 Because I'm one of the people that are like no, I don't believe Jason Luke are actually bastards in the source material

spk_0 I'm like in the minority

spk_0 Well, this is coming directly from George's mouth unless this is really good AI

spk_0 Well, is this him talking about the show though here's the thing is is the show and the books have different continuity

spk_0 And and what's in the show is not always what's in the books like the books are purposefully kept ambiguous. What's the truth?

spk_0 Um, I guess this is George say want to know the context of that that interview

spk_0 I know I see what you mean where he's like yes, she has three kids with with them

spk_0 All right, I guess

spk_0 um

spk_0 Okay, so so yeah anyways, I don't know how we got on that

spk_0 Like the point is that her kids are are one third

spk_0 Targaryen like they're it's running pretty thin by them

spk_0 But they can still be all three of them are dragon riders right like jauphries of dragon rider too

spk_0 um

spk_0 Wait, no this guy remember this guy said three eighths Targaryen

spk_0 Three eight sorry, sorry like are three tenths or something like that three eights okay

spk_0 Three eights all right, there's three eighths Targaryen a little above one third all right

spk_0 So and I and I message that guy I said three eighths how to fuck you get to that conclusion and someone else replied

spk_0 Three Targaryen grandparents out of a possible eight

spk_0 Okay, okay

spk_0 I'm so confused considering like all the bullshit all the bullshit

spk_0 So yeah, so at the very least someone with three eighths Targaryen ancestry can be a rotten dragon rider and in in in

spk_0 In rainira's case all three of her kids

spk_0 We're dragon riders and all three of them would have three eighths

spk_0 um, so it can run pretty thin by the by the sounds of it

spk_0 For people that don't know I was a genetics major in in college

spk_0 so so I know a little bit about genetics and

spk_0 And pressed and pressed and had that genetics of of dragons series

spk_0 Where he I think his like finding was that like he thinks that it's like an excellent

spk_0 gene where it can only be inherited from the mom

spk_0 um, but I don't know if George put them much thawed into it because it isn't all over it

spk_0 If that's true then that makes the most sense that at that c-smoke will go for Adam

spk_0 If his mom was like a figure of his mom

spk_0 Yeah

spk_0 um

spk_0 But but who know if that's a thing is like there's I think jor I think George probably did not put that much thawed into it because he

spk_0 I don't know

spk_0 gets too crazy

spk_0 um

spk_0 George doesn't care about genetics that much because because because we think about how inbred house Targaryen is and and how healthy they are relatively

spk_0 um

spk_0 That then again then again I I was taught I did a this is a bit of a tangent too where I was looking at the tallemies

spk_0 Which are like the historical

spk_0 Royal royal house of of Egypt that was was pretty embedded they're known for embedded in their direct inspiration of house Targaryen

spk_0 and um this in their about as inbred as tar the Targaryens were or maybe less

spk_0 I think Targaryens are less inbred than the tallemies which is kind of funny if you look at their family tree

spk_0 um

spk_0 But there's not much evidence to show that they're physically

spk_0 sickly like like that the imbreding um

spk_0 Did that much damage to them physically

spk_0 So so maybe they just got really lucky

spk_0 because the thing

spk_0 Like the thing is imbreding increases your chance of having like these bad recessive

spk_0 Diseases and stuff being inherited, but it does not mean that it's like inevitable

spk_0 Like it just means that your risk is increased so maybe the Targaryens are very very lucky and avoided it anyways

spk_0 That's interesting the tallemies didn't have like anybody with web feed or anything like that or

spk_0 And he like no like that's the thing is historic like okay for one thing we know that they're they were not that infertile

spk_0 Like relative to other ancient royal families they were really not that infertile like they were just as fertile as

spk_0 Um, I'm thinking of like the Macedonian royal family that was contemporaneous with them like um

spk_0 I think one brother sister couple had like

spk_0 Like six kids or something like that like it obviously didn't mess with their fertility

spk_0 Um, and then like we don't really hear that much about them being physically

spk_0 It was weird looking um

spk_0 Like we know that

spk_0 There's a couple tallemies that were fat like morbidly obese, but that's like they were royalty in

spk_0 Ancient times and of course like you're gonna get like one or two that are gonna be fat because because a lack of exercise

spk_0 Or because they have so much food in front of them um

spk_0 So it's it's unclear if that's just environmental like that those examples could just be environmental

spk_0 But besides that there's not much evidence that they're physically um

spk_0 Like we're like physically it like deformed or anything like that um

spk_0 But but again like the family trees kind of incomplete

spk_0 We don't know what happened to certain people at certain points because the sources are just murky um

spk_0 But like from like the evidence visible to us there's not much evidence that they're

spk_0 That uh, they're in the imbrewing led to them looking weird

spk_0 Besides like some of them being fat which could just be environmental yeah

spk_0 so

spk_0 Speaking of deformities we got to talk about this deformity to give a fucking storyline with uh Damon um

spk_0 I had no problem with him and heron hull having these visions. I like Alice Rivers. I think she's a cool character and uh

spk_0 But I feel as though

spk_0 This storyline has gone on one episode too long. Yeah, it's just a we're stuck in heron hull and

spk_0 Nothing's happening. It's just like over and over

spk_0 Damans having visions again and again nothing happens. He's tripping on the rooms. He's fucking up the balance of the riverlands

spk_0 And that's an interesting storyline. I like that

spk_0 but

spk_0 Only for so long he went on one episode too long which let's break into episode seven the red so yes

spk_0 um

spk_0 Oscar Tully's grandfather finally dies. He finally comes in and he puts a stop to the storyline and then

spk_0 Damon is forced dude. It's real. I don't know if you've played like games like Mass Effect or

spk_0 Have you played the most recent boulders gate three? Oh

spk_0 Are you talking about like you where your actions have consequences? Yeah, like this

spk_0 Yes, they would this really lower like fall hours on my lurch

spk_0 The river lords were the river lurch wards did not like that

spk_0 This really did feel like that. Yeah, like

spk_0 Yeah

spk_0 Telltale game. Yeah

spk_0 So this is it's really felt like that. I didn't I did like

spk_0 Damon's visions were trippy and and and crazy but Alice rivers she really

spk_0 For me at least her and specifically Simon strong really held all of that together

spk_0 I really like Simon strong like I love the fan strong actor wasn't wasn't that good like this this this plotline would be

spk_0 Like even more boring like because I was getting kind of bored with the demon plot

spk_0 Yeah, like I think you're right that it was one episode too many where it felt like we were just killing time

spk_0 But you're right that like the Simon strong actors too fun and the

spk_0 Alice rivers actresses too fun that like they they were the one thing that was keeping it from being like

spk_0 Real people getting real bored because yeah, they're fun

spk_0 And the fandom loves the family the fandom loves Simon strong like

spk_0 people that's such a nice welcoming surprise

spk_0 I actually really like that the fandom is like rallying around Simon strong. He's great. He's absolutely great

spk_0 so

spk_0 I'm really happy about that, but

spk_0 man

spk_0 It came to a very decent conclusion and I love the river river lens politics all that stuff

spk_0 I really like that awesome all around and obviously episode eight is when it ultimately ends

spk_0 But this is kind of

spk_0 The end of like the river lens heron halt stuff which okay fine, but

spk_0 Oh, fuck man. It was uh, it was it was rough. It was rough just because it went on a little too long. It was rough, but yeah

spk_0 So okay the episode opens up with Rainier a confronting Adam of Hall

spk_0 C-Spoke's new writer who pledges field tea to her. I really like Adam of Hall because the actor

spk_0 Has this happy to be here face have you ever seen the dodge scenes?

spk_0 He does he has like this nice calming smile like hey guys, what's up? Yeah, yeah, that's so cool

spk_0 Yeah, I'll join your side. Yeah, I got your back. He feels like that best friend that everyone should have

spk_0 Because he's just so nice and friendly and he remembers your birthday and he sends you a card

spk_0 That's that's what Adam of Hall feels like the I made and I think that's the actor

spk_0 His personality coming through let me try and find this for you house of the dragon

spk_0 I someone on the house of the dragon subreddit. I got sent this sent me

spk_0 um

spk_0 Adam of Hall's actor

spk_0 The dude went up went and found out every single person

spk_0 Who was like a uh an actor on the show and he took a selfie with all of them

spk_0 And he has just like this big goofy smile trying to find it

spk_0 And he has like this big goofy smile that he's taking a picture a selfie with everybody

spk_0 And you know what I kind of like that. It's very wholesome of him. He just seems like a wholesome guy. Yeah, I found

spk_0 I found well he's yeah, I'm looking I just looked up this actress named Clint Liberty um and uh and he says

spk_0 All these pictures he's just really happy to be there. Yeah. Yeah. All these behind the scene fix him with the in the Darcy and

spk_0 and the late the um

spk_0 What's his name the

spk_0 Oh the C snake actor

spk_0 Oh, uh, uh, uh, fuck I forgot his name, but here is the

spk_0 Here's the subreddit where he's he's taking a picture with the emigracy taking a picture with the Olivia cook

spk_0 Uh, the bala actress the goreless actors with auto high tower with the other two dragon seeds

spk_0 He's with uh

spk_0 Egon he's with his his stunt double. He's with Alan and he's with Kristen Cole

spk_0 He's with Matt Smith and he's just in every picture. He's in he just has this like yeah

spk_0 Like smile and it bleeds into his character that he's happy to be here

spk_0 And I fucking let's in fact, I love him with uh with all I like this picture with him with all of them

spk_0 It's like his like mouth like as wide open as possible

spk_0 I love his great. It's great. I absolutely love it

spk_0 So

spk_0 Good for the like I like the actor being here. I I love I like that they cast him specifically very good casting

spk_0 It sucks that it took so long for us to get this because

spk_0 Alan and Alan Alan and Adam both combine have probably have like maybe five to ten minutes of screen time

spk_0 In the entire series which and they don't really do much um in a lot of the screen time that they're given like

spk_0 I don't know these have kind of

spk_0 Kind of like normal mundane conversations and um um so yeah, I hope they give them where they don't do much

spk_0 homie fucking next season Alan and Corlis's scenes

spk_0 90% of them take place on the docs

spk_0 On the doc yes, like the garden, you know like how there was that garden and

spk_0 Yeah, like it's the docs the the high tide docs every's like oh

spk_0 Driftmark docs

spk_0 Every fucking other episode of the docs and like Corlis is trying to give Adam this job

spk_0 Out now Adam Alan this job and he and let me show you this picture real quick

spk_0 I need to show you this I put this in my review for episode seven

spk_0 What the fuck is this stance this in my review?

spk_0 I said this is a stance of like a child who didn't I get the right toy in his happy meal? What is this stance?

spk_0 What the fuck is that?

spk_0 As I was so sad this is amazing

spk_0 He's like I did not get the happy meal

spk_0 What do you mean happy meal didn't come with a toy?

spk_0 Yeah, this is kind of a funny stance. He's this is so it's so this is so right

spk_0 It reminds me of jesus stance when aiman is like talking shit to him. Look at jace

spk_0 What is that stance my dude?

spk_0 What is that Uber driver haircut? Look at that. What the fuck is that?

spk_0 I forgot jesus shitty ass haircut in the first season and how awful his haircut is oh my gosh

spk_0 And it's so funny because they let him use his regular hair this time

spk_0 And he looks so hot and handsome like why did they not give him oh my god

spk_0 He's a actor oh my gosh. That's fucking true. Oh man, but no the the the whole the whole brothers they

spk_0 I love Adam Alan needs more to do Mike. I know he becomes very important later on but fuck

spk_0 Alan is man way more to do

spk_0 next season

spk_0 Because yeah, there's he just did not do my like I think the only thing I remember him doing was shaving his his head

spk_0 And he had that little white stubble

spk_0 Oh speaking of which speaking of of you

spk_0 It sucks that all of the characters who like had somewhat of a some screen time

spk_0 They would have had more screen time had all that screen time not went to allisoned having some kind of existential crisis

spk_0 Which I don't care about

spk_0 Because this this episode was the the famous allocin

spk_0 Lake late scene it's it's a philia from hamlet or at least I thought that's where she was going you know how

spk_0 Ophelia like drowns herself. Yeah, that she was gonna drown herself

spk_0 But she didn't I and I saw people commenting that like oh that scene supposed to be her

spk_0 Taking her own life, but I did not get that at all because she she spends most although all of it looking up at the sky

spk_0 um

spk_0 Actually, I thought that was kind of silly a friend of mine who watches this she told me she got she was saying to me

spk_0 And maybe other women in the comments can

spk_0 To help me out here. She said to me like

spk_0 Yeah, it's every if every woman's dream to just say fuck it and go into the woods and just stay there for a while contemplating life

spk_0 I'm like, huh really like yeah, don't don't don't she goes don't boys have like that whole like mentality of where they just want to say

spk_0 Fuck it and go into the woods and just like hunt and fish and you know

spk_0 Just be a man like I

spk_0 Guess I like my AC and not having like these mosquitoes all over my face, but I guess that's a thing some guys like I don't know maybe

spk_0 I like going on road trips I guess like yeah, yeah, sometimes I want to leave my job and just have a vacation like that's just a vacation

spk_0 Yeah, everyone's a vacation, but uh on your favorite character real quick

spk_0 Let me get back to him chase calling uh calling the dragon seeds Mongols

spk_0 My man. Oh, yeah, it's kind of a he's good in insecurity

spk_0 He's good, but he has some good points though

spk_0 He has some good points. What if those dragon seeds want to realize they can you know use the dragons to take over the the kingdoms themselves

spk_0 What if the dragon's true decide to betray raneiro what if the dragon seeds

spk_0 Calls into question his legitimacy as well, and he has a point about that yeah

spk_0 And I saw the I watched the behind the episode or whatever afterwards and Ryan Condole I think explained it a little bit more where like now that

spk_0 Now that like a peasant like a peasant can have a dragon like it calls into question everything because like it's like giving a

spk_0 A peasant a nuclear weapon like now they're now they're like they have power and power is not inherited anymore

spk_0 It's it's something that anybody can have like it's not restricted to nobility so it could really mess up

spk_0 The noble structure and everything and I'm like yeah, I guess it's true. Yeah, that's the whole point

spk_0 Is that if anybody can have a dragon that that was the point of nettles if anybody

spk_0 Even even something that doesn't have any Targaryen ancestry can have a dragon then like

spk_0 It calls into question everything that like this whole feudal structure shouldn't exist so yeah

spk_0 Beaking of nettles real quick. I think it's somewhat confirmed now that nettles is

spk_0 Been combined with rena which I would hope I would hope not because first off we were talking about this before we started recording

spk_0 Jane Aaron is pissed because and someone was explaining this to me and this is true

spk_0 So Jane Aaron's story is that her entire rule has been

spk_0 contested by other

spk_0 House Aaron claimants and she'd had to put down like people after people like constantly trying to challenge her

spk_0 So she is about no nonsense bullshit and when rena first arrives in the veil

spk_0 Jane Aaron's like well

spk_0 You know, I was promised the dragon to defend the veil because the veil is one of the most heavily defended places in the seven kingdoms

spk_0 And it's purely on terrain

spk_0 Right, yeah, it can change its terrain at will. It's like crazy the the whole

spk_0 Castle can like reform and

spk_0 She's

spk_0 But those who don't know what Trace talking about is that the veil the eerie specifically the house Aaron castle in seasons one for

spk_0 seasons one and I think four

spk_0 Of game of thrones it looked vastly different and then it also looks vastly different in season two of house of the dragon which yeah

spk_0 That's true, but Jane Aaron is pissed like she was promised a dragon and rena was like well

spk_0 You technically got dragons you just to specify is what size and Jane's like

spk_0 Fuck you. So Jane sends rena off but not before rena runs off and she's gonna go look for this sheep stealing dragon

spk_0 This was somewhat leaked a couple of months ago by a twitter user who I actually follow and talked to privately every now and then and

spk_0 They told me they didn't mean to like say that rena and nettles are combining because they don't know

spk_0 They just use the word sheep stealing dragon because that's what someone told

spk_0 Them so it's it's pretty I think it's pretty clear

spk_0 Combined because it cuz yeah like when I saw the the burn sheep

spk_0 I was like yeah, this is what they're doing with sheep stealer and the fact that

spk_0 Okay last season if you listen if you listen carefully

spk_0 Damon brings up that there were three wild dragons in addition to

spk_0 Verma Thor and silver silver ring

spk_0 Which is accurate to the books

spk_0 But the wild dragons have become suspiciously absent

spk_0 Besides the one in the veil

spk_0 Like nobody has brought up that cannibal

spk_0 What's the other one

spk_0 Grey ghost grey ghost and sheep stealer

spk_0 Exist on on dragon stone like that's just been removed

spk_0 Even though even though Damon implied their existence

spk_0 Like at the last episode last season

spk_0 They're just gone so and then now we have this wild dragon in the veil that eats sheep and I'm like okay

spk_0 They're this is sheep stealer like they've decided to move that plotline to the veil

spk_0 um

spk_0 Yeah, I think they're gone. I think they're going. We're not gonna see the canon which is funny because George R. Martin himself

spk_0 Complained about this he complained about how his dragons they like to say around like so yeah

spk_0 Did you read that not a blog post like here be dragon yes? Yes, this not a vlog post that contradicts ever like George's like he

spk_0 He because it reminds me of his casually rock um blog post a while ago like maybe like a year or two years ago

spk_0 Mm-hmm where he like gave this like massive massive in-depth

spk_0 Breakdown of casually rock and what its geographies like and and what inspired it in real life

spk_0 And it's obviously like out of to me. I read that and I'm like oh

spk_0 He's doing that because he thought he put so much thought into this and it's never gonna be really

spk_0 Shown or explained in the source material in like the books and the actual books

spk_0 so he's like kind of doing like the

spk_0 the

spk_0 Tolkien kind of thing like the letters of Tolkien where right he's like clearing up the last bit of the lore

spk_0 That's never gonna actually be in the in the in the main source material

spk_0 Um, so he did that with the dragons

spk_0 But and he was like giving all this like in-depth lore of like how the targeting dragons work or whatever and it makes no sense

spk_0 It's like they he the one thing he's like they love to stay near volcanoes

spk_0 Um, and then that they don't roam like they just they don't roam and

spk_0 That is totally contradicted by his own writings and then also the show now where there's a wild dragon in the veil

spk_0 where I don't think there's any

spk_0 volcanic activity

spk_0 I don't think we're shown anything like obviously something has to be creating the mountains

spk_0 But I don't think there's any with it's known to be a volcanic at all like I think only dragon stone and

spk_0 Valeria are really the volcanic areas and in all of his world

spk_0 So it's a little weird, but George also contradicted himself in in his own work silver wing

spk_0 in in uh fire and blood we know that silver wing

spk_0 Yeah, cuz he silver wing goes to the to red lake exactly so

spk_0 Which is the opposite of a volcano carrier

spk_0 Exactly volcano crater, but it would be dormant so but so so George is out of his fucking mind and you know

spk_0 But some people are saying this was George trying to preemptively warn us about some of the plotlines this season

spk_0 I keep seeing people someone tweeted at my someone replied to my tweet right now about how

spk_0 um

spk_0 George was trying to warn us about this season when he said he wouldn't be joining the season three writing room

spk_0 That only dick might do that means nothing that is anything that is mean that like that means he's working on wild cards

spk_0 Did you know that there was like a wild cards announcement that he made but it was only on Facebook?

spk_0 I didn't see it anywhere else

spk_0 Because it's he's only present it's presented by him. He didn't even do it edited in this

spk_0 I don't think that like he was like dissing the show or anything like that

spk_0 Um he did diss the show with the the the sigil like that's the one thing he's complaining about but I don't think he's dissing the show

spk_0 I don't think I don't think George. I don't think the I don't think George hasn't you know what now? I don't know because

spk_0 What we know for I don't want to get into the episode eight leaks bullshit and I won't but I'll just say this

spk_0 I wish I knew George's opinions on the matter regarding the decisions they're making especially with nettles

spk_0 George put nettles in there for a reason and you and press and have touched on this at nausea

spk_0 I mean you just talked about it like 10 minutes ago of why nettles is important

spk_0 So potential this is why I'm not sure if they are

spk_0 blending in nettles with rena so it's still a possibility

spk_0 That we may get in season three

spk_0 nettles coming in but

spk_0 Yeah like like in order for nettles to come in like I feel like rena would have to

spk_0 To die and then like this random character comes in and steals her

spk_0 Her plot line because right now in this episode they hinted that that rena is going into the in to hunt down

spk_0 The wild dragon because her whole thing her whole thing this whole entire season has been that she feels

spk_0 Inadequate because she she's not a dragonwriter everybody else around her all her sisters a dragonwriter her cousins are dragonwriters

spk_0 And she feels kind of useless and she had that scene with rena

spk_0 And her sister where she's like I'm I'm she's sending me away because I don't have a dragon

spk_0 I'm the least important one of you and

spk_0 But then again, what are you trying to say with that because I thought I thought what they were trying to do with her

spk_0 Character is that she doesn't need a dragon to be useful like that was her whole thing

spk_0 She was taking care of rena as children and keeping them safe in Essos like that's a super important task

spk_0 Um, but now I feel like they're gonna give her a dragon so kind of undoes that

spk_0 That um

spk_0 Character arc or development or whatever words like no actually she got a dragon so she doesn't need to feel insecure anymore about it

spk_0 It's like it's like somebody feeling ugly and

spk_0 There's a plot line of them trying to be okay with them being ugly and that looks aren't aren't everything and then it's resolved by them getting a plastic surgery and becoming beautiful

spk_0 Like it is like what when you trying to say there um, so I don't know

spk_0 I guess I'll I should wait until her plot lines ended to judge it

spk_0 But yeah, it does it does not seem like sheep stealers gonna be in the show

spk_0 Her nettles is gonna be in the show looks like sneep sheep stealer will be in the show, but without nettles

spk_0 We'll we'll have to see

spk_0 fellow youtuber dragon demands

spk_0 Swore up and down he found the metals actress and the actress herself replied to his comment on Twitter saying

spk_0 Oh, no, that's not gonna happen. Sorry. I'm not I'm not in the franchise. I'm sorry about that and she

spk_0 She she replied is kind of like okay. I mean at least at least there it is there it is but um

spk_0 No, so what else happened in this episode? We had the dragon seeds showing up the red sewing. Yeah, this is a big legacy episode

spk_0 whoa Rainier brought all of these people to have them killed and and she almost had

spk_0 Ulf and Hugh Hammer killed as well because

spk_0 um

spk_0 Back me up on something in my review

spk_0 My episode seven review I mentioned how in the source material reading fire and blood the red sewing felt like it was mortal combat

spk_0 Did you ever watch mortal combat the the first movie from the 90s?

spk_0 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw a little clip of that recently so I wonder if it's because I mentioned it

spk_0 um

spk_0 In the first mortal combat film remember how when they get to the island and then they're just kind of walking around until a ninja finds them and they fight to the death

spk_0 Yeah, that's kind of what I read

spk_0 I that's kind of what I took away from the red sewing in the source material

spk_0 Was that people went to the island and they were allowed to go to the dragon stone where they all are

spk_0 And they're allowed to try to do like some kind of Pokemon safaris don't like thing where they go to attempt to claim the dragon

spk_0 Because why the fuck would you have a dragon?

spk_0 voluntary yes, and and not only that Rainier has made her squires some of her knights all attempted to do so not just the dragon seeds

spk_0 Yeah, yeah, and and and and it wasn't like this thing where they had like this weird orientation and then they were shoved into

spk_0 A room all 50 of them all together for some reason to to go one by one and like a line

spk_0 um

spk_0 To try like like in the books I interpret it that like it was like

spk_0 anybody show up and you can you go into the cave whenever you want to where we're not gonna push you in and you can go at anytime you want

spk_0 Like it was the door the doors are open and we'll let anybody in so long as

spk_0 and and then you you it's it's your choice you're risking your life

spk_0 It's your choice and this they I really did not like the scene where

spk_0 They had all the dragon rider or all the dragon seeds

spk_0 And they forced them

spk_0 Into that into the open cave room and all 50 of them were standing in a line

spk_0 And we're gonna dip one by one walk up to

spk_0 Vermithor I thought that was so stupid. I was like why why why why not have them do it like

spk_0 Separately like why have all of them in the room just so we can have like the dragon freak out and shoot at them and stuff

spk_0 I thought the dragon freak out potentially wound rain era as well because she's there overlooking the whole situation

spk_0 She's overlooking it. I thought it was like chaotic and and almost horror-esque with the dragons like hunting the people and eating them

spk_0 burning them like that was cool, but like when you think about it from a logistical standpoint

spk_0 That's fucking stupid man. That's so dumb. Yeah, I thought it was I thought it was contrived for like the sake of having a cool set piece

spk_0 Have a lot of a lot of extras get killed and stuff because I would have rather had it the way that because I thought of like Damon seen

spk_0 last season where he meets Vermithor and

spk_0 And it's and he's in like the complete dark. He's like goes deep deep to underground to where the dragons are

spk_0 Are hanging out and he has his torch and it's just him

spk_0 Solowing the dragon having a conversation with it and it's intimidating. It's completely dark and

spk_0 And yeah, I like that more and it makes more sense to have that

spk_0 We're like because the thing is when you have like 50 people and animals gonna get freaked out like a horse is gonna get freaked out

spk_0 And so like a dragon will be freaked out

spk_0 So like I don't know why you would have like tons of them all at once

spk_0 Like it was it was contrived just for the body count like I you can just tell like they just wanted to hide body count this episode

spk_0 So we're gonna do something that doesn't make any sense. So I don't know

spk_0 You're you're not wrong. The scene itself is cool

spk_0 The scene itself was cool

spk_0 But like did you get that feeling as well reading the source material that it was kind of like

spk_0 Mortal Kombat or Pokemon safari zone where people would arrive on the island

spk_0 There would be a loud to set foot on the island and go out and try to tame the dragons like did you get that feeling too?

spk_0 Yeah, okay, I got the feeling too that it was like the dragons are in a cave and

spk_0 You're allowed to go in the cave and like anybody's allowed to show up at any time and you're allowed to go in the cave and face the dragon whenever you want to

spk_0 Yeah, like like a Mortal Kombat Pokemon situation. It wasn't like

spk_0 We're gonna we're gonna give you this orientation where Rainier gives a speech and then you're like a class like is this felt like a like a

spk_0 Classroom situation. I don't know. It was kind of weird. Yeah

spk_0 I want to touch on something we were discussing about episode six

spk_0 I want to just I want to touch on it here. Missaria. I'm so deathly afraid that Missaria is one of those

spk_0 Fuck the fuck the book fuck the fuck the elites and and

spk_0 Freedom to the proletariat

spk_0 types of character where she is

spk_0 purposely leading Rainier down the path of destruction

spk_0 Because she wants to bring down the patriarchy or the system and and uplift the small folk because remember

spk_0 That was her whole plotline in season one was she was dealing with auto towards the end

spk_0 Because she wanted the small folk to have more more protection more more safety more freedoms from the elites doing bad stuff to them

spk_0 Like Aegon what's right? So

spk_0 I'm so afraid

spk_0 That they're gonna try to make her some Machiavellian style strategist who is just lying and bullshiting Rainier at the entire time

spk_0 So she could end the Targaryen dynasty and their rule and chokehold over the country and somewhat try to uplift the small folk because that would be so fucking stupid

spk_0 I would think that's stupid to yeah, I hope that's not the case because

spk_0 Because remember when whenever my serious talks to

spk_0 Rainier she almost never criticizes her she almost just like fluff her up a little bit like you did something that no one ever thought possible

spk_0 And then in the beginning of the episode they have a conversation where where Rainier is like let's raise an army of bastards. It's like

spk_0 okay

spk_0 Okay, but careful

spk_0 Careful, you know, you could go bad very quickly and careful

spk_0 Uh and the episode ends with um

spk_0 Probably one of the coolest scenes in the entire franchise

spk_0 Vega who's been this looming shadow over Rainier's rule and anything she can do

spk_0 Flying to dragon stone

spk_0 Being lured by Ulf and silver wing which by the way silver ring amazing design. I loved it. I like the design

spk_0 Yeah, like vermouth or is designed to oh all of them look this this the CG is great. I don't know. They're all look unique

spk_0 I love that and um and oh we saw like the eggs like silver ring had eggs

spk_0 Remember remember he stepped on them. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's kind of cool. I guess I like it like we got a little bit of like

spk_0 I don't know that that silver wing is like an egg layer like maybe they maybe they already talked about but yeah

spk_0 Yeah, there's the they lore vague are and then aiman chickens out. He's like I'm getting out of here

spk_0 To be fair. I think aiman could probably fuck them up

spk_0 I'll tell you why because yeah those guys

spk_0 Those guys are are are newly seasoned dragon writers

spk_0 I think you can call them dragon writers. They're more like dragon passengers because

spk_0 They don't know like like like Rainies had been flying her

spk_0 Rainies and Damon have been flying their dragons for decades

spk_0 These guys have been doing it for five minutes. I think a seasoned dragon writer could probably take out three unseason dragon writers

spk_0 I understand that like the more the merrier and overwhelming him with force and they probably would defeat him

spk_0 But I think he'd wipe them out. I think he'd wipe most of them out

spk_0 I feel like the only way they the three of them could fuck up or the four of them could fuck up aiman is if they got a lucky shot on him

spk_0 Skillwise, I think he still wins every time even against all three

spk_0 Yeah, they just need to grab a grab him on the saddle like just eat him like somebody distracts the dragon from the front

spk_0 And somebody comes up from behind you to eat a eaten whole

spk_0 Or someone needs to sacrifice their dragon while vega is chomping on that neck

spk_0 Someone needs to take out a sword jump over aiman and like shove the sword through his eye

spk_0 Hopefully that won't happen. We'll see what we'll see what happens

spk_0 But no that final see right that like

spk_0 It's unclear like how because remember remember okay rain you're a confronts Adam at the beginning of the episode

spk_0 And she's like can you follow me to to dragon stone? He's like yeah, I think so and it's like he literally just became a dragon writer like

spk_0 Like five minutes ago

spk_0 And now he can he's able to steer it that much

spk_0 Which which makes me wonder like I wish they would go into more about the

spk_0 How the psychic bond works and like it's controlling a dragon's not really

spk_0 It's kind of like a mix of writing a horse and also like bonding with it on a psychic level

spk_0 To like get it to do whatever you want yeah, no that final scene where rain era and all the dragons come together

spk_0 And they all roar as one that was sick. I fucking love that that was so good and it's just you know

spk_0 This I liked episode seven. I thought episode six was fine. You know, I have my issues here and there

spk_0 But overall I feel like the season has been consistently pretty good

spk_0 I've had my issues here and there and I feel like everyone else has the blood and cheese stuff was not done well

spk_0 Rear in allocent meeting

spk_0 They're they're meeting in episode three that was I have to had I didn't like that

spk_0 Damon episode six I feel like it went on a little one episode too long

spk_0 Some of the pacing stuff some characters really felt like they needed more than five minutes of screen time

spk_0 Raina Alan

spk_0 You know all these people

spk_0 But for the most part I've been enjoying myself. I'm assuming you have as well

spk_0 Yeah, I've been enjoying myself too. I think towards the very very into this season. I felt like

spk_0 Things were taking in a little too long like the paint there's pacing problems where

spk_0 Like Damon kind of sat on his ass for a couple episodes and and not

spk_0 And it was felt a little redundant like him having vision after vision like okay, okay

spk_0 um and

spk_0 Yeah, like that I think that the the drag and seed thing taking like

spk_0 Three episodes because it was the end of episode five

spk_0 Six and then seven like I think that didn't need to take as long like I don't know like maybe it just may be an impatient

spk_0 Where I want the story to get further further along because I was wondering how this season's gonna end like if we're gonna end with

spk_0 The battle the golet or or something like that. What was gonna be our epic final episode battle and

spk_0 And I was a little disappointed where it doesn't seem like we're gonna have one right? It's gonna be pushed to next season probably

spk_0 Yeah, oh, I don't know. It's a little fine. I guess I mean we all are on some level because fuck man

spk_0 And I don't and look I think in regards to the pacing I feel is I blame HBO for this because me in person

spk_0 I've discussed this ad nauseam and you guys are gonna hear it again

spk_0 HBO has

spk_0 Nothing in their lineup that can top game of thrones house of the dragon and even you for it. You watch you for you?

spk_0 I did I did but then it's been like it's been gone for like four years. How long is you for you?

spk_0 Not I have I have no idea that's the thing is the

spk_0 The like you for you it was Netflix's big like one of their like next to game of thrones

spk_0 It was their big like flagship TV series that everybody was watching because I know that like just on Twitter like everybody would do watching

spk_0 Yeah, it's the fourth most watched series an HBO behind game of thrones last of us in house of the dragon

spk_0 So it was like they're the big four their big three like series and

spk_0 And um, yeah, it was just it was it had such a weirdy regular upload schedule

spk_0 For its seasons because it was like okay 2019 for season

spk_0 2021

spk_0 Next season so it's like a year a little bit over a year because it's January 2021

spk_0 So it's a little bit over a year to next season and then it's February 2022

spk_0 So which is like another year and then

spk_0 Season three has just been in limbo since

spk_0 2022 like one two three four like it's gonna be five like uh like

spk_0 One two three four five four five years before it comes out because I don't even know if it's gonna come out next year

spk_0 um, so it's like weird and it was all it's I think it's a mix of like the actors. They're they're difficult getting the actors back

spk_0 um, I think there was maybe some like controversy with some of the behind the scenes crew or something like that

spk_0 um, but it's like really weird like with euphoria where euphoria was like

spk_0 HBO's big thing and then like

spk_0 It petered out and has disappeared and I think it's kind of like culturally irrelevant by

spk_0 Four years from now like because just nothing they haven't made any more seasons. It's very bizarre

spk_0 I don't know. I don't get it um, that's yeah, yeah, anyways, that's fucking

spk_0 That's a weird it's weird. It's weird to have

spk_0 A a a four-year gap like I'm being bad with my math here one two three four four at the very least four year gap between seasons because it's just like all the

spk_0 inertia that you were you had is is dissipating and then for euphoria, which is like a high school drama

spk_0 You're having these these actors that were in their

spk_0 early 20s early to mid 20s when it started when they're playing high schoolers now they're gonna be like in like their

spk_0 Late 20s or 30s like by the time like the the next season so it's and I think like they've decided that they're not even gonna

spk_0 Have it be a high school drama anymore if they have a season three

spk_0 It's gonna be them post high school, which it's weird

spk_0 They had all that drama all that a nurse off focused in their high school drama and then now they're gonna be

spk_0 Adults like

spk_0 Not half the show is her naked in someone's vlogger. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. You four years not a not a perfect show

spk_0 Um, I mean do we really need to wait that long to fuck Sydney Swaney? I

spk_0 Right like I don't I don't know why like this high school drama show

spk_0 I don't know why it was so difficult to get a third season for it and they're apparently they're still doing a third season

spk_0 But it's just it's in production hell right now

spk_0 um

spk_0 And yeah, and and I don't know considering how the last season ended which it was just like on crazy territory like I don't I don't know

spk_0 You did a good thing that they're just like yep. They're gonna be grown up now. I don't know

spk_0 Well, all their classic shows that that really brought a crowd berry

spk_0 Succession euphoria like that's kind of all done. I don't think I I personally think like they're in development hell with season three

spk_0 They say they want to go down, but showrunner and zendaya both are having like some kind of beef

spk_0 The showrunner is upset that zendaya

spk_0 Went off to do her own movie franchise dune which let's be honest

spk_0 I think a lot of hunters and stuff. Yeah, I think all of the movies she's done have easily made over a hundred million dollars

spk_0 So and the girls got to work and she wants to work

spk_0 So yeah, and I think she's upset with him because he went off to do the idol which fucking bombed everybody hated it

spk_0 It was like the weekends weird fanfic to fuck Johnny Depp's daughter like H.B. Which doesn't have anything right now and anytime they take a damn

spk_0 I'm I looked it up. I looked at filming for euphoria season three is scheduled to begin January 2025

spk_0 So she's gonna be another year after that. It might be fucking five years

spk_0 Like another season that is insane. Oh my god, which is weird because crazy if they did less episodes

spk_0 I guess they could they could fix this because Duncan egg believe it or not is feeling right now

spk_0 I may plan on an early next year release. So

spk_0 Duncan egg had maybe like is gonna have maybe seven eight months

spk_0 In between starting production and then ending it and releasing it. So it's possible euphoria could still

spk_0 release in 2025, but fuck man. Does anyone care at this point?

spk_0 I don't this that's the thing is I don't think people care. It's been so long and they're not they're in like the

spk_0 The problem is that all the

spk_0 Several actors actresses are not returning

spk_0 Like that's just been decided right and it's gonna it's apparently gonna focus on

spk_0 Zindaya's like say I don't even remember her character's name because it's been so freaking like rule like post

spk_0 Roo her post it's gonna be post college her

spk_0 Post high school her traveling around the world. So you're not even gonna have any of the

spk_0 Normal characters are at least not regularly. So like all the drama that's been built up over the years with all the other

spk_0 Supporting cast is just gone like it's just weird

spk_0 I don't know like all the inertia all like the the buildup is just gone. It's very strange. I don't know why you would do this

spk_0 Yeah, it's probably like a perfect one

spk_0 But yeah, it's weird where euphoria really was like the Game of Thrones have that time of that brief gap

spk_0 It was Game of Thrones for fucking Gen Zers. That's what's for teenagers

spk_0 For zoomers and and they just dropped the ball like they like that's just what happened

spk_0 They just straight up dropped the ball and and it's in it's gone now and now it's now game with now now HBO is back to

spk_0 House of the dragon dunk of it dunk connect. I am worried. I am worried that Game of Thrones is gonna turn it like it's gonna turn

spk_0 HBO is gonna turn Game of Thrones into what Disney has turned into Star Wars like I'm really afraid that we're gonna like

spk_0 Have just like way too much Game of Thrones. I want to I want to have a conversation with you so bad about like the Game of Thrones

spk_0 Cinematic Universe and that how that's them trying to do that as a detriment because that would involve us talking about the episode

spk_0 Eight leaks and we're not gonna do that. I don't want to do that yet

spk_0 This is a conversation I would love to have with you and Preston

spk_0 Going forward because and I want to say this to you right now. I'll type this to you because I don't want to spoil the audience and you know

spk_0 Look on discursors fucking this is this is what I'm afraid of

spk_0 See that

spk_0 Hold on hold on

spk_0 Oh, hold on I'm afraid they're gonna fucking like shove that in somehow to every fucking

spk_0 Prequel and spin off they ever do and I hate that so much. I just let it be its own thing. We can have this conversation

spk_0 With Preston on when we discuss the entire finals with the entire season two, but that's what I'm afraid of

spk_0 I am very afraid of that as well. Yeah, because it doesn't I don't know like I

spk_0 I didn't it doesn't need to be and I think it actually takes away from it because like why why does everything need to be linked together

spk_0 um and yeah

spk_0 I'm just yeah, yeah, like how do your own thing because I know people are gonna get on your dick for this

spk_0 And I and let me defend you off the bat right now

spk_0 Obviously, it's a prequel. It's obviously it's linked

spk_0 But at the same time it can still be its own story and be phenomenal

spk_0 You don't need to like link it back to every little thing. It's far enough back in the past

spk_0 To where it doesn't need to be like closely linked like that

spk_0 well

spk_0 and also also

spk_0 The so it's a prequel

spk_0 But the seek that vote. It's a prequel too. How it ended is terrible like why why would you want it to be linked to the ending of it of the like the ending that is

spk_0 universally

spk_0 hated like it is like the ending of Game of Thrones

spk_0 is literally considered one of the worst endings in

spk_0 in TV history and whatever whatever you want to say in fantasy history in TV series history whatever franchise history

spk_0 franchise history it's considered one of the worst endings period of all time yeah where we're we're I don't think any fans liked it no fans except

spk_0 except kitt Harrington

spk_0 Actually, you know what let me let me defend them because I think the actress for Marjorie Tyrell I forget her name

spk_0 She even came out and said uh

spk_0 She even came out and they were doing an interview with her

spk_0 I think she was at some kind of college and they were doing an interview with her and someone asked her about season 8

spk_0 She goes yeah, I don't think it was that good and I can say that because they don't pay me anymore

spk_0 So I think I feel as though the actors and actresses have to have

spk_0 Someone of a cooked opinion on this because you know like it's in maybe it's in their contract for after a couple of years

spk_0 Don't badmouth the show like wait a little bit. So I think that's what it is

spk_0 But that that's my concern. We can we can talk about that when we go and I get it look Preston

spk_0 I get it to where where actors want

spk_0 Rolls and if you if you slag off

spk_0 producer or writer or something like that

spk_0 They're gonna get into the network to the the the the the the bolt they're gonna blacklist you and remember that

spk_0 That's why you don't criticize

spk_0 They can remember the things that you work on most of the time

spk_0 Even when it is considered one of the worst things ever produced

spk_0 It's like a telltale game. They're gonna remember that. Yeah, it's true. This trail. They're gonna remember that um

spk_0 Yeah, so like I don't know we we'll talk about it later, but like yeah like

spk_0 Your prequel, but you're prequel to a series that has one of the most infamous endings that everybody hated

spk_0 Why do you want to keep reminding me writing people about that engine?

spk_0 I mean

spk_0 I don't want you to watch my my leaked season eight uh my leaked episode a video that I put out a couple days ago

spk_0 That's literally that's literally what I just said. I literally said the same thing you just said

spk_0 110% they're not wrong

spk_0 Stop doing that because you mother fuckers are going to ruin the legacy of it

spk_0 But you know what that's that's beyond the point

spk_0 But yeah, like I was saying originally HBO has nothing they have this

spk_0 We got penguin coming up. I don't know if you saw the Batman. I liked it, but penguin. Yeah, Batman's good really

spk_0 I don't know yeah, it has to be good like that's a thing is like

spk_0 I don't know I probably I'm not gonna watch it unless I hear that it's like really really good like I just not

spk_0 I'll check it out, but uh

spk_0 Did you see they changed the name of the dune prequel?

spk_0 Oh

spk_0 What's it called now? It was before doing sisterhood now. It's like dune prophecy

spk_0 They changed the sisterhood because they didn't want like they don't want to hide the people from making it woke

spk_0 Yeah, like woke sisterhood lesbian witches you know what it's probably related to that stupid

spk_0 Accolate the backlash of the athlete accolate like it's probably not

spk_0 You know what I don't blame them for changing it because look I get it

spk_0 You don't want the smoke from the fucking online mob and it doesn't cost you anything to change it like like I think one was the one of the main things is

spk_0 Sisterhood how many words of sisterhood was that like nine words like I think you even say no it's uh ten words

spk_0 I think you save on printing a by like changing it from like ten words

spk_0 To lay you know like the miss it's the mr. Plinket

spk_0 Yeah, I was just thinking that it's like they

spk_0 By change it to save on ink pretty much pretty fucking much. So

spk_0 Fuck it like they have nothing. This is what they have it's Game of Thrones hundred years baby

spk_0 Hundred years forever Game of Thrones. Oh God

spk_0 Before I end this podcast. I just want to just say I still want that shot. It's no sequel series. I still do

spk_0 I still do I

spk_0 I do too. I part of me does as well because like why not like why not like

spk_0 Why not like because because that's the thing is the Indian of Game of Thrones is so bad

spk_0 So it's like why not explore the ending more to at least because you might be able to salvage it

spk_0 You might be able to you might be able to show like are you

spk_0 Or maybe not are you but like maybe John Northman wall or something doing some stuff

spk_0 Remember my idea they were if they do this. They're stealing my idea

spk_0 Remember my ideas him going to Essos to like China or some shit ancient China ET

spk_0 And he's gonna he has to stop another white walker threat

spk_0 But they're like the lava white walkers. You find a beautiful a beautiful Yitish

spk_0 Babe he's like oh you remind me so much of eGrant. I don't want it

spk_0 There's there's we can get the sequel series and there's there's no there's no going down from here

spk_0 Because it's all the way down with fucking diners or bones. It's all the way up there. It's all the way up

spk_0 Carmin. Carmin. He goes to ET and you know who he finds

spk_0 He finds young Griff he finds

spk_0 And he's got like the blue hair. He finds all the characters they left out from the fucking room of the books. Yeah

spk_0 Yeah, he finds Dario he finds

spk_0 Sweet the original Dario with the fucking the blue hair and everything. Yeah

spk_0 Yeah

spk_0 They bring back who else is like like nimble dick is like just all the kid yeah, Vargo ho

spk_0 He sees Vargo ho

spk_0 Ariane Martell like he sees everyone's there. Yeah, fuck it. Look at everyone's a Victorians there. They're all Victorians, but

spk_0 guys

spk_0 Yes, cuz because Victor remember Victorian is is canon to the to the show because he is brought up by

spk_0 Tyrion at one point and like the first season. Oh, yeah

spk_0 He's making fun of the unsumbles. Yeah, cuz he says because he says my uncles my uncles, which I guess could be

spk_0 The damfare would everybody yeah in the books. It's at least Victorian

spk_0 So if they're bringing them back they're bringing them back, baby

spk_0 100 years trade. Do you mind if we wrap it up here?

spk_0 Yeah, yeah, yeah guys. Thank you so much for joining us as always. We'll see you all next time have a good one

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