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Episode 641: Natosha Rogers – Chicago Bound With 2:23 Marathoner
In Episode 641 of 'All Have Another Podcast,' host Lindsay Heine chats with elite marathoner Natosha Rogers as she prepares for her third Chicago Marathon. They discuss Natosha's journe...
Episode 641: Natosha Rogers – Chicago Bound With 2:23 Marathoner
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This is a Sandy Boy Productions podcast.
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Hey friends! Welcome to all have another podcast with Lindsay Heine. I'm your host Lindsay.
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Thank you for being here today. I hope all you runners who are getting ready to run Chicago
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here next weekend are getting excited. I wanted to let you know I'm actually going to be in Chicago.
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I will be at the Expo on the main stage moderating a bunch of panels with both athletes and sponsors.
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And so I'll be there Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Saturday specifically at 4 p.m.
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I'm going to be recording a live podcast with a couple of my teammates on the Relay podcast.
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So if that fits your schedule definitely come check us out at the Expo 4 p.m.
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on Saturday the day before the Chicago Marathon. If you see me at the Expo please come say hi.
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I'd love to meet you and say hello and thank you for listening to this podcast.
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Okay speaking of the Chicago Marathon our guest today is running her third marathon in Chicago.
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And that is Natasha Rogers. Natasha has been on the pro scene for a long time now and
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she you know dates back to being an NCAA champion in the 10,000 in 2012. She competed in the 2012,
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2016, 2020 and 2024 Olympic trials. She was on the track at those Olympic trials until 2024.
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When she debuted the marathon in Orlando she had a really tough day out there running 234-51
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for 28th place. I asked her in this podcast why she stuck it out and how she felt about that when
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she clearly felt so bad and she actually says that was a mistake to finish that race. And so
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you can hear more about that in the conversation. She runs for Puma and she was out here with the Puma
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Elite Group coached by Amy and Alistair Craig and now she's moved back to Colorado and she's
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being coached by Steve Madness. So this is a great conversation. I love talking to Natasha.
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She's an incredible human. So this year in Nagoya in March she actually ran a 223-51 marathon so
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she made her second debut I would say. She really showed us that she does have it in her to be a very
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accomplished marathon runner. So it was exciting to see her do that in Nagoya and I'll be so excited
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to see how she does in Chicago. We are definitely all cheering for her. There's so many more
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accomplishments in Natasha's career. She's a three-time world championship finalist. Make sure you get
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All your order. All right friends please enjoy my conversation with Natasha Rogers.
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All right friends well today on the podcast we have Natasha Rogers back on the show
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first time back though and probably like eight years which is exciting. Yeah that's crazy.
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Well welcome back. Thank you. Yeah it's when I hear things like that I'm like wow like I've
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been around for a long time. No it's so true because when I was like brushing up on your history I was
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like man she's running so many Olympic trials it is crazy. Yeah yeah I just keep going back at it
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for those of you. Twenty twenty twenty twelve twenty sixteen twenty twenty twenty twenty twenty
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twenty twenty twenty twenty eight will be five. Wow that's incredible. Yeah. Okay.
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The charm. Five times the charm. Where do we even begin here? I guess I'll begin with this.
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I was so stoked for you when you ran the Nygoya marathon and you ran that to 23 because
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we all knew that you had a disappointing day at the trials and that that performance was not
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what your fitness was and so and not what you had in you so like to see you come back and have
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that redemption was just so exciting. No I really appreciate hearing that um yeah like the the
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first one definitely crushed me um like went right off the cliff and all the wheels came off came off.
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Yeah I didn't like it was really good to prove to myself that I still have a future in this career
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and it's time I'm 34 it's time to be in the marathon. The marathon is such an exciting place to be
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and I do think you're like really at a prime spot like age wise like that's a really great time to be
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pursuing the marathon and so now that you ran that 234 or 234 223. Yeah yeah you're running
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Chicago this fall and so what kind of confidence did that marathon give you for this the future
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of your marathonine? Well Nygoya like went pretty smoothly and I felt really good like halfway
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through the race I was like I one of the Pacers dropped off and then there is one Pacer left and
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once the other Pacer dropped off the other one dropped the pace by like pretty much 10 seconds
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and I my idiot self like went with it and then I just kind of got like stuck in a faster pace so
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like that definitely affected the tail end of the marathon you got to run smart and like all these
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components go into the marathon where like you it's a whole different ballgame um it's not just like
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going out there and being tough like you got to be smart wise make good decisions,
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juggle all these variables and I showed myself like even with making a mistake in Nygoya
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that I could still juggle it and um like and get to the finish line and yeah it was I I feel confident
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going into Chicago just this building and building like marathon takes years to really get a hold of
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it and like yeah I was not ready at the trials like I was you have to have respect for the whole
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process of it you know what was going through your mind in Nygoya when you realized that you made
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that mistake but then also I can still juggle this and like finish as strong as possible how did
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you walk yourself through that the marathon like every day in training it's just compromising with
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yourself like negotiating with yourself and always accepting that it's never going to be perfect
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because it's just not it's so messy you're going to be feeling sick you're going to be feeling like
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you gotta go the bathroom like all these things and so it's just this really strong willpower
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of convincing yourself that no matter what like you're going to finish it and walk away with just
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the satisfaction of that like you can't get too attached to like big big like unrealistic
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expectations you know because you gotta be realistic with yourself yeah I've wondered
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from the Olympic trials which I don't know does that just make you sad to talk about no I'm so
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over it yeah yeah it's been a while I wasn't there isn't here there where I was like hurt in a bit
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but yeah yeah well I've wondered too about that day like what made you decide to finish the race
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that was actually a mistake really yes and I completely respect when people need to drop out
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of the marathon you don't need to be hurting yourself out there and ruining another six months
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of running right I ruined my chances to make the Olympics on the track which I had consistently made
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US team the previous two years and I got pulled and swayed and didn't keep my humility in check
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like when you have good back-to-back years you're just like yeah like I can do stuff I can
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pull anything off and yeah just that's how it turned out for me huge valuable life lesson
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which is like more important to me anyways and yeah like the real gold in life is not not a gold medal
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it's like getting through the tough times and like showing yourself that you can pick yourself
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back up and the people who are around you in the hardest of times too so yeah like these goals are
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it's funny how these Olympic dreams work because like even if you do attain it it's not
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as fulfilling as you thought it might be a lot of Olympians say they struggle with that too so
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yeah just keeping it all in check you know yeah like you did it you did the ultimate thing what now
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yeah yeah that's so interesting like you said it was finishing was a mistake because at the end
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of the day like you have your team around you you have your coaches and your teammates and
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your friends and family who support you and love you but at the end of the day you're the person
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running the marathon you're the person deciding do I pull out of this thing do I finish this race
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when you say it was a mistake to finish you because did you walk off the course injured or just
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like complete just your body was just done yeah I definitely was running through an injury throughout
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my entire build because I went from running world championships on the track booted past late
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that previous year and then straight into marathon training with Fiona and she's done some mock builds
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throughout her whole career with the craigs so she was very much on a different level and I was
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like trying to bridge that gap in training and in practice and like just not knowing enough about
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any of it and so like I kind of had this previous injury of like sciatic nerve stuff down my
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whole left side not knowing enough about my body at the time and how to manage that and fix it
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um and so I was just running through it like it felt like a hamstring injury but it was actually
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all nerve and then it like just went down the chain throughout the 26 miles and it always goes
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straight to my knees like if something's off in the chain like I will feel the pain in my knee
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and so I really had a hard time lifting my left side my left leg for a handful of months after that
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race uh wow like I could try I could kind of run but it was like a huge hitch in my stride and so
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that was uh yeah that's why it was a mistake because I made it a lot worse and then you couldn't
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yeah you couldn't compete at the track trials I did end up competing uh okay because we all kind
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that like just it was like you might as well try so yeah which that was a mistake as well because
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you need to know when it's not great like like you need to add it up in your head and be like okay
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like that's but the issue was that my I had the second second or third highest world ranking in the
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field and you know they use world rankings and so they're like you only have to be this person
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and this person and this person and so it was still kind of worth a shot like if you guys didn't
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run like the standard that day uh yeah which they did it yeah so it was going down the world ranking
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but in a bit I hate how it works like that because I know the top three deserved to go like
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oh yeah we know this you know this from experience yeah like it's not who can run these perfectly
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paced races it's who can run at a championship race and that's way more important and I think
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we'd bring better US teams but it has to be complicated for whatever reasons oh that's so true
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you are um to me you come off as like such a deep thinker and like very in tune with
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I don't know if this is the right way to put it but like spirituality and like you're yourself and
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you kind of go off the grid a little bit here and there do you is that is that true yeah yeah
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I probably get a little too heavy sometime tell me about that though like where does that come from
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I just was always like that even at a very young age like I just remember being pretty
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when you ran the Olympic trials you were out here training with the puma elite team with
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a me an alistair and fiona um a couple questions about that one how did you handle
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your own disappointment that but then being happy for your teammate for winning the trials yes that's
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a great question it's definitely like not easy to be the person who everything went wrong for
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um but like fiona and i are absolutely like sisters um like even the first day i met her i was like
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kind of took her under my wing and it's weird because we we have a lot in common but we also are
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totally different um and you can really see that in our approach to training because her strengths
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are my weaknesses and my weaknesses are her strengths and i do love training with her it's just it
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was really hard with her her um development in the marathon and my lack of that it just was not working
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and it made it super hard for me to just be in that position where i felt like it was just so
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obvious that i wasn't gonna be great like in that particular race but i kept lying to myself and
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like trying to you know that's what athletes do like you you basically have to lie to yourself and
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in a way that can be a good thing because you go after it and you put yourself out there but
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again the marathon is not a joke if this is not the 10k um the track like like you can get hurt
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out there um you can yeah so when she i was super super happy for i honestly had this
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gut intuition that that was gonna happen like i really yes like she is the best marathoner in
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the country in my opinion and like she has such a talent for that distance and so like it was
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really cool to see that unfold i lived with her you know like so i want to see her go really far
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and um i think as long as we're not treated like we're this same athlete and my training can be
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individualized like that was really important to me like i'm a different athlete and i need to
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to be this way um i need my own development and i need my own speed because the marathon
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outster taught me this the marathon is a race against yourself that needs to reflect in your training
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too like you need to be going your own speed and like not getting caught up in where everyone else is at
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so you end up leaving though the Puma Elite group and i'm excited to learn that you're being
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coached by Steve Magnus because everybody loves Steve Magnus he's so great um but talk us through
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the decision to leave the triangle area and head back to Colorado yeah after the trials i and then
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upon like realizing that i was very not capable of training for track and like i couldn't run like
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it's really hard to be in those elite groups when you're injured and it's just like
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you need separation you need personal life separation from your work and that's really hard to
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have in that those particular situations and that's really important to me and like i just i
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was injured i couldn't run i was in a dark place so i actually moved to texas with my then
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boyfriend we were in long distance and so it was just healthier for me to like get healthy
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pick up running back in texas and then i i officially like kind of moved there until this past summer
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and we broke up so i broke up with texas my life has been a bit all over the place and that's how
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life can be sometime but i'm really happy to be back in Colorado like this is my home state
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this is the best state i've moved around a bunch um is so beautiful here my families here all
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my friends are here and these things make me a better athlete like to have the whole you know
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instead of just the running and um so yeah i i'm in transition right now currently living
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out my parents have because of the abrupt changes um but after Chicago i'll probably find a place
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to settle like here in the Denver area again never okay yeah i mean i bet your parents love having
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you home right i secretly love it like honestly this was not the plan okay 34 had to move back
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in with my parents but um yeah after the breakup it was like i need to get through Chicago and i need
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just i you can't handle all these life changes and try to get through a marathon build and so this
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this has been a really great opportunity for me to like get quality time with my parents they're
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like friend now um and it's just i grew up in one of the best neighborhoods ever for running so
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it's kind of just like heaven like running around here uh still in the house yeah yeah yeah
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yeah especially after being in Texas like this is seven that's great um well Natasha it's not like
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you're in their basement playing video games all day so not having a job they're like yes
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temporarily come live with us and let's enjoy this this is so like something that a lot of
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parents don't get to do so that's awesome yeah yeah yeah it is awesome and it's rent free right now
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so that's right yeah heck yeah for sure okay let's talk about Chicago expectations and also why
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did you shoot Chicago why are you always kind of new that i was gonna uh pick Chicago as my first
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world major because i ran like the shamrock 8k one time which that runs like the tip the back
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end of the marathon course i don't like i won it and i like they made me get up there on the mic and i was
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i'm gonna run Chicago someday and so like i kind of just already put that into the universe so
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yeah i i picked Chicago though like because i this is my last year on my puma contract and then
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i had an option year so the pressure's on i did run a good nagoa like nagoa it was great so um
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i'm not too worried but like nothing is promised in this career and like i wanted to run a fast time
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and Chicago's known for the times and the pacers and like for me with not enough experience in the
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marathon i i like the idea of that organization like i know what pace we're we're going for i can tell
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them it's gonna be organized and whereas New York is like okay this is a race and the veterans come
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out and like there's hill like the course is a lot harder and just i needed something a little more
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like guaranteed like in my head like i know what pace i can run and that's what i'm gonna go for
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so i can get a good time and it panned out that Chicago isn't nearly as competitive this year like
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as far as the Americans go and like it's a good opportunity to run with some girls right around my
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caliber and like um shoot for like a top 10 and just see what happens you know
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what's so exciting too i'm gonna be in Chicago so i'll be looking forward to cheering for you
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yeah oh cool yeah that'd be i love hearing people as i run by like really like revives me i need it
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tell me your favorite thing about working with steve magnus he's also a deep thinker
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yes very deep philosophical i like bringing those elements into the training approach i need that
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like i need someone who will individualize and see me as like oh you don't need to run a hundred
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thirty miles a week you can run 80 and still be fine like he works really good in collaboration like
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and that's kind of hard to come by like with every coach because a lot of them are like a little
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bit rigid in their ways and like this is what works and this is what i know and so he yeah like
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and to just bring in like the mental side of it because it is so mental as you know like he writes
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all these books that just like it hits everything right on the head like for me like where it's how
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you approach things and how you look at things and um yeah mental side is huge so he's really good
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what are the biggest differences now that you're doing compared to like what you were doing when
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you trained for previous marathons i guess have you been working with steve since before nagoa no it was
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like right at the end like it was right at the beginning at the nagoa build that we started working
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at the end um at the beginning yeah okay so he coached your nagoa yeah i was going to do he used
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a marathon and he's like no you need to get ready more so like yeah he also like helps me with
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just like the logical thinking yeah yeah yeah you you kind of wanted to like get it in sooner but he's
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like slow your roll we're gonna chill i just didn't really realize like i still didn't know how much
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development was needed like weeks and weeks of like getting these volumes and you know especially
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for me because i like this doesn't come naturally for me tell me more about that i really like track
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events because it's just you get out there and you get after it like that really comes naturally to
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if someone makes a move you you make a move and in the marathon it's like you're pacing yourself the
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hold on you're slowing yourself down the first half the race the whole time like like even and then
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you let people go and like it's just you have to compete like a wide old lady like uh like a
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broad description yeah but um and then just the volume like i never ran high mileage ever
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ever and i still don't so like i finally can hit those 25 mile long runs and it's like starting to
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come easier but it took oh like it was like what is this like why are people this is insane
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what's literally insane totally wise old lady that's what everybody means to tell themselves when
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they're at the first half of their marathon and they need to slow down be a wise old lady be a wise old
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i love that yeah do you know like i actually just got off a call with Nick hogger he's pacing
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cally in Chicago do you know who your pacer will be or like who's pacing the group that you want to
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it's not set in stone because Fiona actually might be pacing but there's also
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kary said that there's plenty of guys lined up so i told them like around what pace that i want to
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run and then just i'll let them take care of it like this is do you need to go with them yeah okay
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that's exciting yeah i am excited i that made it super easy in nagoia where you could just kind of
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like step back and like not have to be the one like pacing yourself for the first half of the race
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so you like we talked about this at the beginning of the conversation a little bit like how many
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Olympic trials you've actually competed in how long you've been in this game how do you view your
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career at this point because you're right like you've got you've had a lot of ups and downs i mean
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when we first talked i remember you were just coming back to it like you had taken a break you were
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like working a full-time job you didn't know if you were going to like go all in with it and i'm like
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wow you've made worlds teams you've made finals and world championships like so much has happened
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since then so like when you're looking back at the last 10 15 years how do you feel about your
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career yeah it's it's been a long one and yeah i love it like i i love every step of the way like
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even the hard parts of it because like you have to go to the bad to get to the good like
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there's the duality of it like it's not just gonna be smooth sailing you know and being in those
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like dark low places like honestly in a way like helped me skyrocket because you gain a lot in those
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places and um you realize like your love for it but it can be really hard like when it's happening
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especially with when things get out of control because you don't really realize it in the process like
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like things are starting to get out of control and like you can ride that out for a while
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and then you're gonna like crash and burn then like you look back and hindsight and be like that
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wasn't healthy and like that wasn't okay and um yeah it's just it's so funny because it's like
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it's sport like it's just sport and it's kind of silly um but at the end of the day this is my
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livelihood this is our livelihood and it's attached to so much emotion as well when you do get injured
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and you kind of fall out of it for a little bit you get that perspective like oh there's so
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much world outside of this but yeah I want to keep going I want like I'm so inspired by the
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the women in their forties who are still hopped here and setting records and um like
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there's still like a lot of um road for me to run down right now um like maybe into my forties and
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definitely through then the next trials oh for sure which was an exciting because by the time
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the next trials come around like your marathon experience is just gonna be wild compared to
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obviously debuting the marathon at the trial I'm excited to go in with experience because last time
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was just embarrassing were you embarrassed yeah I was super humiliated because like a lot of people
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had high expectations of me including like my contract and oh yeah it was obvious after it was done
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that like I didn't make the right decision to debut there yeah it's just like humanizes you though
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you know like it puts you on like you're not gonna be ever be on a plane field with like a
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normal average runners but like it humanizes that like even though you're this professional runner
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can make a little big teams like shit happens yeah you know yeah I was like literally like
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shuffling on the course of like crying yeah you're like all these people are out here um who did
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you talk to first after that race um who did I talk to after uh I think just me and some of the
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like tons of other athletes who had a horrible race just kind of like grouped up like we just
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got on the bus and like kind of just head down like you know but like could at least really
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to each other in the moment um and like yeah because a lot of people had a bad race that day
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just fun too yeah so then my family and my boyfriend at the time was there so I we all just went
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to the coast and like I we went to Coco Beach right after that and like something weird happened to me
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were like I don't know if I had like a panic attack or what but like my partner and I at the time
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rented an Airbnb and like we went into it and like you know how Airbnb is hit or miss yeah it was
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just like this old like you could tell old people lived there and made a guy there like there was
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like this weird energy and I was like I can't stay here like and I like went out the front door like
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I like had a panic attack or something so I had a ranch yeah like I felt like some weird
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energy was in there and just I was already in a vulnerable place so um yeah it was it was tough
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like after that race it was it was brutal so where'd you go stay um so we just went to a hotel
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like on the beach somewhere yeah this creepy Airbnb I mean Airbnb's can be night like especially when
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I'm going with my kids I'm like it's nice to have more space but like there's just something nice
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about a hotel where like you you kind of know what you're gonna get yeah yeah as long as you're going
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so you've been with new balance you've been with Brooks you've been with Puma now and you said
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your contract you've got one more year I'm on my last year this is your last year 2025 okay
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but I have a option here so they'll either decide what does that mean so they'll either decide to
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extend it for one more year or so another company can make an offer but it has to be
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they're allowed to compete with that offer and if they offer more then you you buy contract have
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to go with them oh Puma does yeah so like they can make competing offers and like keep you in your
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option year that's good no because it gives you the opportunity to elevate that contract yeah I
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so I don't really have like that's why the agents like there always has to be the middle man and like
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yeah yeah the athletes kind of left in the dark honestly like who's your agent uh Tom Rackliff
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and he's really good but like I have no idea what's going to happen like it's it's a risk for me to be like
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well let's try to get more yeah I don't know I don't even know how to approach it honestly but um
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I just I want to get signed through 2028 okay for sure yeah yeah and like I just want people to
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whoever's gonna sign me like I want them to value me as like an Olympic hopeful for 2020 yeah
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and um give me that security so I don't have to worry about if I'm gonna be unemployed yeah no totally
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I think that makes a lot of sense I I'm assuming brans will be thinking in that direction when they
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are redoing contracts and stuff like yeah that Olympic cycle for sure yeah what are you like with
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the marathon what excites you the most about the distance I like that it's an equalizer um the gap
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on the 10k female distance running on the track is just discouraging uh-huh and with the marathon
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we saw it at Worlds mm-hmm for seven place uh the girl who got third mm-hmm like Julia yeah like
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it it's an equalizer all around um and then you add things like the weather and all those other
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variables too and so the gap isn't as discouraging at all and like there is a lot of potential to have
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like a really special day if you just show up and be tough I mean you said it that's that's so
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perfect I mean it's like does in Boston in 2018 it's like you never know what's gonna happen and
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if there is a bad bad weather day or something crazy like yeah there might be someone that's like a
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two eleven person out two eleven person it's crazy to say yeah but like they might drop or like
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something might happen that's like Susie and I getting fourth it's just it's she was running out
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there with people that had run two eleven to like two sixteen and she's got a two twenty one PR so
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yeah it's yeah that's such a good point I love that so much yeah those two let like those
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times are mind blowing it feels weird to even say it feels weird to even say um so you're two twenty
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three that's exciting that's like you're right there with like the top American women really so
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that's awesome yeah I'm I'm really excited about that number because especially with the Chicago
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field yeah we are literally all right around there and so we can work together out there and yeah
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it's it'll be exciting to like mix it up with those ladies so what are we doing outside of running
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what is Natasha like to do when you're not running and resting and PT and massaging and all those
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things um I love living a very balanced life I'm not like your average professional runner I
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especially being back in Colorado in Denver area like I have a lot of friends here and so and they're
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not runners okay okay interesting yeah so um I'm out and about quite a bit um I love going out to eat
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I love going into the city going up to the mountains I'm going up to Aspen right after this
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um to see all the leaves and um stay with my best friend up there but I like to go dancing
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I like to go out sometimes and um you would most likely find me in a coffee shop I would say because
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okay I like to pretend like I have like things to do like you'll bring your laptop yeah and like
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right just like I mean there's there's a business side of this job too it's like for sure
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is keeping up with stuff and so I like to be around the people who have like
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real corporate jobs like I love that I love that and it's like it's good energy for me to be around
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do you think you'll write a book someday I absolutely want to publish a book someday I have
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a handful like that I just had they've been in the works for like my whole life um without actually
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finishing one ever um and it's so hard it is so hard to know what are they about or like what
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what genres so I have I like to mix it up um I really like creating so like fiction is definitely
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like I it's so weird to write about yourself uh I think so I do have I've been really inspired
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by the other runner girls who are they're all coming out with books and yeah that's so cool to
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me I want to do something like that I feel like I need to be I need to accomplish something really
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important first I shouldn't say that but I I'm not ready for that yet um someday maybe like
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in my late 30s I do want to do that um that style of book but uh fiction um I like philosophy yeah
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there's just been moments in my life where like writing was my only outlet and turning that into
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like a work of fiction is really like a good cathartic outlet for me what about like songwriting
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songwriting no yeah no I wish um I would I would probably only do that if I could like sing yeah
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what do I do I can't sing kind of good oh really yeah but you would be surprised like what
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style of singing because what is it like if I were to pick a karaoke song it would be
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Erie the Franklin chain of fools yes I have video someone like really yeah I can get pretty
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loud and hit some ranges but if you ask me to sing like Taylor Swift nope I can't sing like that
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did you do like choir growing up or something um no I think I would just like practice my sister
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had a really good voice she has more like the Taylor Swift sound okay but like I would just practice
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and like I don't know whenever I would hear like those soulful like I just like I could do that
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I'm gonna try to practice that in my car try to be cool shower scene kind of embarrassing to admit
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no that's amazing I love that um okay well we'll wrap up here with Inda podcast what is
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something professionally or personally that you would like to do that you have not done yet
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professionally or personally um professionally of course I want to make the Olympics
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still and this is so bold this is so bold do it like we've seen Americans win world majors before like
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if the stars could alive one day good one day in my career that would be so cool like I've seen
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Shillane and run New York and like come in and like just the the marathon is such a beautiful event
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like the energy of the entire city like it that would be like probably one of the more rewarding
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things to experience professionally um personally the book I want to write books and I want to
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figure out what I'm gonna do when I retire running because like that's such a scary thought and
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like it's really hard for me to take away my energy from the running to like be like oh well
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I should have a backup and I should be working on that but I do have a coaching business online
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at least a buffer to like try to figure out what I want to do but that's kind of a scary thought so
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hopefully figure that out this is kind of I don't even know if you could answer this
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would making an Olympic team or winning a major be more satisfying winning a major yeah yeah well
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that's so hard oh my god yeah that's impossible but because like you can make an Olympic team
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and just like have a horrible race too right yeah I'd have to say no I can't I can't I can't answer it
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no I can't okay um do you have a book you recommend I'm almost done with this book by my favorite
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author Dona Tarte um the goldfinch it's a very I feel that's good read yeah but um is it hard to read
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it's hard to get through a couple parts of it because it's just she goes it's all about her
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character development and then in the end it all makes it like it's just getting through the end
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of the book because like oh wow like this is an incredible piece of work here um oh it's right
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here the goldfinch is it big yep yeah okay so if you like fiction that um
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and then if you want like a a new earth is a good like philosophical read um and like maybe like
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a little bit spiritual and yeah yeah yeah is that accurate toly yes yeah okay so um if you want
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something to really kind of like unlock the way you perceive uh life and reality and things like
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that's a good one okay that's the miss two it's like oh yeah yeah so there's a
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maybe I haven't read that in a long time yeah okay like you should read that like once a year
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because it's pretty short yeah yeah um what is your last message to leave us with pray for my soul
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in Chicago for her soul in Chicago I love that okay remember grandma old lady grandma patients
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yes yes exactly Natasha Rogers thank you so much thank you for having me thank you so much
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everybody for joining us today thank you Natasha for coming on the show best of luck in Chicago
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