Episode 44: 10 Things We Won’t Hike Without - Hike or Die Outdoor Adventure Podcast

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spk_0 Welcome to episode 44 of the High Call Day out to do adventure podcasts.

spk_0 As always I am joined by Craig. How are you mate?

spk_0 Good day, fantastic. That's good. We are sitting in a rainforest yet again.

spk_0 Delivering on our promise. The only promise Craig that I am not going to deliver on

spk_0 is being more prepared than the last podcast. And quite specifically because I haven't told you

spk_0 this yet but when we sat down I realised I did not bring my reading glasses and therefore

spk_0 I have no notes or any way to read them so welcome to the party. It's going to be a train wreck.

spk_0 This will be good.

spk_0 We would like to begin by acknowledging the traditional custodians of the land from which we

spk_0 record this podcast today and pay our respects to their elders past and present. We would like to

spk_0 extend that respect to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders. Craig, what's happening?

spk_0 It's a nice day for a hike and a podcast. This is perfect. Is it not?

spk_0 Loving it. This is great man. It's cool. This is our old stomping ground. It's great to be

spk_0 here back here you know. Yeah this is it. We always talk about secret spots and

spk_0 I think the term secret spot is a little cliche. Like I understand that. I'm sure there's

spk_0 a tons of other people have been here. I think what we deem in secret spot is something

spk_0 like definitely off trail so we use relatively well worn trail and then at some point

spk_0 we'll deviate from that and through exploration plenty of times over we've found little

spk_0 amazing pockets hidden campsites. I can't tell you what episode it was. I may be able to quickly

spk_0 find it on my phone while we're talking. We were here weren't we? We did. Yeah we did actually

spk_0 when we had video of that too. So it was one of the ones where it was at night. Yes it was

spk_0 in the evening and we haven't talked about it. Do you remember that day what we did? Man that was

spk_0 crazy. We went right up this creek remember. I was thinking about that just as we were hiking

spk_0 so I'm trying to do what one way going in there for I can't I can't even see what's going here.

spk_0 It's just a blur. I've fallen and snapping a pole remember that in the creek like oh now I forgot

spk_0 about that nearly nearly went quite over. Yeah now I forgot that one. It's awesome. It must be

spk_0 so this is really boring just listening to me try and find. Oh here it is. Wow that was episode

spk_0 three. Three. And night in the rain forest. Okay. Episode three. Wow. Incredible.

spk_0 Yeah so that's how far back this spot was. Yeah. We camped here the night or near here. I mean

spk_0 50 meters from here and oh there's a video on Instagram of Eric the eel I think I dubbed him.

spk_0 Yeah when I was patting that eel in the stream that evening. Oh yeah that was pretty cool. Yeah

spk_0 two nights in the same location right and on the middle day we tried to basically go upstream

spk_0 from here through I mean just crazy terrain. I was thinking before when we were walking I walked

spk_0 through the stream just up to my calf muscles there. Ah took my shoes off and I thought I remember

spk_0 going through up there up to our chest. Yeah yeah which is over your head. Yeah.

spk_0 Tracers like in this little floaty lounge thing and I was just dragging across the dangerous

spk_0 pits. Yeah I was. That was cool. I know like you would hold on our packs over our heads.

spk_0 I break them. They go something you know. Yeah slippery rocks but you know we

spk_0 imagine. That was good. I do it again. I was going to say right now but that's a lie.

spk_0 I would not do it right out. It's actually quite fresh because after noon there's

spk_0 well what time is it. So it's getting it's 3.30 in the afternoon and we did what did I say we did

spk_0 2.5 kilometer hike in. Yeah yeah just under 2.5 kilometers that's um it does convert to miles

spk_0 but I'm not going to do it. Sorry guys. And yeah got to this spot here and it's just there's some

spk_0 cloud cover at the moment. We usually bring on rain as you would know if you've listened before.

spk_0 So we're sitting in a stream so all I have to do is inflate the raft and that'll take a straight

spk_0 back to the car. So yeah if rain comes I guess we'll deal with it then but so far so good.

spk_0 So we can't read you notes today. Is that the story? No well I actually I got into it well

spk_0 short answer is yeah you're right we can't or should I say no but I went in and I made the

spk_0 text massive granny size on my phone so I can actually see there's something in those bushes

spk_0 right there and I just can't get an eye on it but after Craig and I have already seen snake on

spk_0 the way in and he was not happy to see me. Did you reckon you got a good photo of that?

spk_0 Yeah yeah yeah yeah he was unhappy. I got a video which is pretty average but

spk_0 no it's already. There's something else creeping up in there and I'm just a little bit conscious of it

spk_0 partly because I've spent this last weekend I went away for four days to a good friend of our property

spk_0 and we saw a lot of snakes a lot of nope ropes a lot of wriggly sticks

spk_0 in a time where they're considering that we're only there four days I think we saw

spk_0 four I think we saw four. One was most definitely 100% nasty like not only did he act nasty but he was

spk_0 just think about the nastiest looking snake you've ever seen he had every character trait

spk_0 of physical trait even so I was with my with my three sons and two dogs it was quite the

spk_0 experience and the dogs do they go near it? They didn't but neither of them saw that one.

spk_0 Yeah actually on all occasions they were just I was going to say in the wrong place but they're

spk_0 the right place as in they didn't notice the snakes we did and we kind of I just call them back and

spk_0 don't even really alert them to it as to not create any fuss around it.

spk_0 Sure. But he the young pup so he's not even a year yet he did see a little snake

spk_0 up near the cabin and he jumped back which I thought was a great a great thing. He was inquisitive

spk_0 but I called him straight off and he just let it go he I think he got the idea but back back to

spk_0 this other snake it was like a burnt orange color bright bright sort of burnt orange it had these

spk_0 like stripes across it like sort of like a tiger sort of pattern on it and then its head was

spk_0 think about you know what it like a death at his head looks like it goes real narrow behind the

spk_0 skull and then it comes out almost like an arrow shape it was like that and had white eyes

spk_0 which is and it was called back not impressed with us I was not really impressed with him.

spk_0 She did not identify you don't know what it was. Well no I took photo and I haven't had a chance to

spk_0 be honest to actually sit down and look through the snake book or look online. I am keen to find out

spk_0 because to be honest I've never seen that snake in my life I mean I don't mean that exact snake

spk_0 that's quite obvious I mean that species. I've never seen it be funny if I had seen that maybe

spk_0 exactly. Oh that's Frank don't worry about him he's always cranky and always here so just give him

spk_0 some distance. What do you expect? We were there swimming in the stream and we just put down all our gear

spk_0 and then my son is standing in front of me I was sitting not unlike I'm sitting right now

spk_0 which is not good for podcast but I'm just sitting on a rock and he looked over my shoulder and

spk_0 went oh everybody snake and I didn't move and I said okay it is safe to move and he said yeah

spk_0 it's watching us but it's a couple of meters back I said I'll just have a look so I look just

spk_0 kind of slowly looked over my shoulder and I probably had two meters distance which is not a lot

spk_0 but I would consider based on the size of that snake that that would be within striking distance

spk_0 just but he was more intent and it's kind of standing his ground he was full in there what do you

spk_0 call I don't know the S shape what if you want to say he was ready to go oh yeah yeah already

spk_0 and we hadn't even done anything like he was just not happy I mean I was getting undressed

spk_0 that's probably enough to get anyone's back up especially if that's your front yard

spk_0 you don't sound like that and some clowns turn out like there's three kids and me and then two

spk_0 dogs and we all start taking our clothes off in front of him right enough so anyway we just the boys

spk_0 moved away I said you guys move I'll stay in between you and and the snake

spk_0 and I had a hiking pole just as not as a weapon more as if he's going to go for anything

spk_0 snakes go for the closest thing to them in which case I would have just held the pole out in front

spk_0 of me to distract it and then moved back we moved all the gear sort of 10 meters away and then

spk_0 it took quite a while for him like a good 10 minutes before he was simmered down and then went

spk_0 off back into the rocks and we just kept swimming after that so yeah I'm a yeah I've seen a lot

spk_0 of snakes and then the one up near the cabin I think that was a friendly I think I think it was

spk_0 a green tree snake but I saw this boat the other day of about 10 different snakes of varying

spk_0 degrees of olive shades of brown shades of green and it said all of these are brown snakes yeah

spk_0 which are our most is it most deadly or definitely in in a top kind of tier right I think that most

spk_0 aggressive and therefore most attacks happen from there yeah I don't agree with that I think the

spk_0 type ends the one that is as far as venom goes yeah but the brown snakes up there and as you

spk_0 say they're not happy chapies so anyway back to my point is I'm not prepared these days to look at

spk_0 something that looks like a cute green tree snake yeah and go and just then start fiddling with it

spk_0 or walking up to it I just I treated that thing like it was deadly and kept gave it a wide berth

spk_0 yeah I got the dog away from it it went under some rocks and we didn't see it again but

spk_0 then the one other ones we saw so one of them I didn't see I neither boys saw it go into the bushes

spk_0 and then one I did see it was right on the borderline like I would say I'd say that's a juvenile brown

spk_0 hmm there's no way I would bet money on it being just a green tree snake so we we kept our

spk_0 distance from that fella as well so yeah like within four days that's kind of a lot that's about one

spk_0 a day I think it almost worked out to every day we saw one um which is why and we've already seen one

spk_0 on this hike this afternoon so I'm here in this russ language I think is just leaves dropping

spk_0 but it could be a snake eavesdropping how's about that for some poetry yeah just don't know and I've

spk_0 got my back to the bank which is just silly that python wanted a piece of you today oh man I've never

spk_0 seen one a move so quickly and b be so so utterly like disgusted that I was an era I was really

spk_0 excited because it's just a medium size small one yes small I'd say small and if you compare that to

spk_0 so you approach it and then all of a sudden it was like nearly on you oh my gosh

spk_0 even I don't know what when you get new camera out of something because because you've looked

spk_0 back on what did he just go you and I said yeah he went me big time like he yeah he turned around

spk_0 he turned did a 180 so it was a python they tend to move slowly it was in the shade I can only guess

spk_0 that he'd been in a sunny pocket for the last couple of hours because he was juiced up as in

spk_0 he was pumped that thing moved quicker then I guess because it was more agile as well you know

spk_0 that the bigger older ones perhaps just go ah whatever lazy it's too much effort yeah so it's fun snakes

spk_0 all around hey perfect segue as always another funny story about snakes our friend Ross

spk_0 remember it how's he going well he's going fantastic because it turns out he reposted that video

spk_0 from about three maybe even six years ago oh because I saw he lots of posts recently thinking he

spk_0 must be fine yeah yeah and no mention on it so I went back to check and I went back to write to him

spk_0 and say hey mentioning on the podcast something for you to listen to while you're sick in bed and then

spk_0 I watched it again I know I was reading the comments and someone said I hope you're okay and then

spk_0 he responds and said something like oh yeah I'm all good this video was from 2017 I'm just

spk_0 pulling that date yeah I thought something like that put it this way it was at least three years ago

spk_0 yeah and it's it says oh yeah now that the video was from ages ago and I went oh my gosh

spk_0 classic that's crazy so I did comment and I said expect that potentially to have people

spk_0 giving you well wishes because I told everybody that you are in hospital and he just laughed and said I'll

spk_0 better late than never and and no worries so he took it by heart so I hope I didn't I hope like

spk_0 that of his friends listen to the podcast and we're oh my gosh he's been bitten again on the same

spk_0 finger again oh yeah I'm glad to clear that up yeah it's important I think to clear that out I've

spk_0 been talking I mean we hardly make mistakes on the podcast so no it's good to just be honest

spk_0 you also oh mate we're just a record you also have I apologise to the entire

spk_0 country of Africa would that well be correct continent yeah yeah for accusing them of having a

spk_0 filthy rat like creature by default I remember sending you the picture of this yep a good tea that

spk_0 I got more so you got the name wrong right will you call it something else no no I realize it

spk_0 was from South America yeah not not not Africa South Africa whatever I say general I think you just

spk_0 said Africa generalization I know nothing and it's probably you should check let me know what the

spk_0 most deadly snake in Australia is because it may not be what I said before oh maybe we should not

spk_0 comment they will make any facts we don't talk on the podcast right we just just be do you know

spk_0 that you just hear the odd cough look just clearing our throat we just kind of hang out there's a

spk_0 stream nice sounds and then an hour later we say because we can't probably get at wrong

spk_0 by just saying thanks thanks for listening guys yeah I hope you enjoyed that yeah we can guarantee

spk_0 that that podcast did had exactly zero misinformation because we didn't say anything that's

spk_0 it's almost probably where it's going to go for the future of the podcast I'm just trying to get

spk_0 a bit more comfortable on this rock the I do have a little camera going not sure where or when

spk_0 I'll use that footage but if you do ever see that or maybe I'll take a screenshot from it I've got a

spk_0 nice little recliner here yeah it's good so yeah that's that's the Ross News and that's that's our

spk_0 apology well my apology on that sorry Africa we have listeners there too by the way Craig you think

spk_0 oh that doesn't matter where you're wrong because there's there's listeners there and

spk_0 no it's not they've been human for weeks yeah thankfully nobody's messaged me definitely a South

spk_0 American rat got me on the finger I was a kid South American is it a rat though are you still

spk_0 generalizing I called it a rat yeah well there we go guys pretty much it was in a rat says rodent so

spk_0 that okay but that's not a rat I think a rat is a rodent as in a you know what I'm saying like a

spk_0 mouse is a rodent a rat is a rodent all right so it's it's a rodent now rats are sitting out there

spk_0 listening to the podcast y'all okay come on man that thing's not even a rat and you're blaming us

spk_0 South American animal South American animals here we go again now they're South Africans unhappy

spk_0 what are you talking about mate it's not out animal yeah I try to offend as much as I can

spk_0 well it's going really well in that regard if that's your goal you you're succeeding I'm gonna

spk_0 just keep telling you about my trip because we haven't even spoken is that cool with you yeah man

spk_0 and we've we've we've I think that's all the apologies right yeah we don't I mean I don't expect

spk_0 to talk about Arkansas this podcast yeah but if I did that's exactly how I'd say it

spk_0 something and and quite an interesting observation when I took the dogs out hiking so

spk_0 I have two dogs they're both Australian working dogs so they're a bread to work cattle

spk_0 both highly intelligent both are under two years old still and

spk_0 that they're on Instagram the eldest one is Skippy she's almost two and the youngest one is Ranger

spk_0 excuse me and he's almost one when Skippy was a pup I took her out there and she's a bit too small

spk_0 to get over rocks and logs and stuff she has a real pup late 12 weeks old but then later on

spk_0 I took her out to a friend's farm and she ran with their working dogs around the cattle and literally

spk_0 in a span of three days she was a different dog in a good way just completely different it just

spk_0 blew my mind it was incredible and I think it's just by putting the dog in the environment

spk_0 for which it was bread and giving it a purpose and exactly the same thing happened with Ranger

spk_0 on this trip he was just this kind of goofy puppy at home and within 24 hours of I wouldn't even

spk_0 trust him off the lead when we got there for the first day I wouldn't even trust letting him off

spk_0 this 20 foot rope because I thought he would see a wallaby or kangaroo or a deer or a goat and he

spk_0 would just run and run and run until he was so lost and exhausted and I'd never find him again

spk_0 and so I kept him on this 20 foot rope and even on the first hike I kept him on this rope so he could

spk_0 still feel like he was you know exploring but ultimately I had something to grab

spk_0 by the second day he just changed and I let him off and his recall so like calling him back from

spk_0 things he shouldn't be doing or just in general just skippy is almost flawless like she'll come back

spk_0 every time and he just got it he just got it it was fascinating it was like a real proud dad moment

spk_0 just watching him evolve and there's that thing and it's the same with kids and that is

spk_0 to see true growth in your children or any children even if you're a coach for sporting team

spk_0 or something you need to give responsibility like you need to give them the opportunity to A

spk_0 make a decision on their own and B make a mistake on their own and that's how you grow and so I gave

spk_0 him the opportunity to run off and be silly and as a few times I called him back I didn't

spk_0 I didn't get angry at him or anything I just just said hey you know that that's a bit too far

spk_0 like out of my sight I want you back here and once he understood that it was incredible

spk_0 skippy already does this so she'll go 20 30 40 meters ahead and she'll stop and look over her shoulder

spk_0 and stand there for like a four minute and wait for us to get to halve that distance and then she

spk_0 goes ahead again and then she stops and looks and she basically had range of trains to do exactly

spk_0 the same thing within two days it was incredible and there's there's so many occasions where I just

spk_0 tested you know it's see if they would come back and the dogs are the kids oh yeah the kids are

spk_0 there's a different whistle for each because there's single whistles for the dog and doubles for the

spk_0 kids no it's good that you could be there for a few days I'd imagine the first day that the dog

spk_0 would have something in its eye that it just wants to go and explore yeah and you just

spk_0 just re-strain it every like five thousand billion smells and then on the second day you let it

spk_0 have the chance to test its limits or to have a bit of a re-explore but it knew that you could

spk_0 re-strain it if it didn't yeah if it didn't behave itself so that's good now it worked out

spk_0 fantastically and there was two occasions where he chased the wallaby and just for anyone getting

spk_0 uptight he's got no chance in the world like he's chasing the dust of a wallaby it's with way ahead

spk_0 but he ran into this thick kind of brush and I thought oh here we go if he doesn't stop I can't

spk_0 even see him and so I called him and it took a good minute and then he came bounding out of the

spk_0 bushes back to me and I thought well that's about as good as it gets because he had something in

spk_0 his sights he was fascinated by it these dogs don't want to hurt animals they're just they are

spk_0 hurt animals and so they want to round stuff up I got this photo of skippy craigs we got down to

spk_0 I'm jumping all over the place here in the vanque we got down to the waterfall and as we came down

spk_0 so we did we didn't go down the steep bit we went looped around the back the way that I think we

spk_0 came which means nothing to anybody here but I'm just telling Craig's story so relax as we've

spk_0 walked towards the waterfall out of the that loop there was this massive Billy goat sleeping

spk_0 and I got to within three four meters of it and it was fully fully asleep and the other goat that

spk_0 was with it I mean if I was that goat I would be so angry at I'll never trust my friend again

spk_0 because the other one got up silently and then trotted off like that's not what they normally do

spk_0 they normally jump up they do their call and the other one wakes up and they run off I've seen it

spk_0 a hundred times with goats this one just got up and went I'm out of here

spk_0 Joe Joe you awake oh it's too bad mate there's there's literally four people and two dogs I'm

spk_0 out of here and then so he wakes up the two dogs had gone past him and were on the other side of him

spk_0 and there's me and my three kids on this side of him he's woken up and looked either way and just

spk_0 this is my actual worst nightmare of my life and it literally took him five seconds to get his

spk_0 bearings and stand up admittedly I think he's getting on a bit he's very big and probably getting

spk_0 quite old anyway he finally kicked into gear and took off and so skip you the older talk

spk_0 starts rounding him up like a shit and again like not in any way aggressive just purely like I

spk_0 want to contain you you need to stop because because this is what I do mate you need to stop

spk_0 running yeah we've got a corral you that's what I do this is my job yeah don't worry instinct I know

spk_0 what I'm doing and she she was on him and I was laughing and the kids were like wow

spk_0 and then I just called her straight off and and again to the earlier point the second I called her

spk_0 off bang she just went bomb snapped out of it looked at me like what's my next command and let the

spk_0 goat go and I thought wow that's you can't ask for much more than that either in the height of

spk_0 this massive excitement she's just gone yeah okay dad I'm all good I don't need to chase it

spk_0 so it was just just watching the evolution of these dogs well not so much skip she's already

spk_0 amazing but the younger guy was just I'd say it just brought me great pleasure because we came back

spk_0 with a different dog to the one that we took there for oh yeah even not said now at home he's

spk_0 different like more confident just different acts different listens better just everything he's just

spk_0 he just went through his initiation out there and I got some cool videos of him trotting along

spk_0 in front of me down the trail just just not being stupid just being absolute legends you know

spk_0 that's good that and speaking of legends like the kids were unreal as well

spk_0 we did some hard some hard hiking you know that last so on the way back from the waterfall basically

spk_0 the climb from that river to the car yeah sure yeah that oh my Garmin it was uh 600 meters

spk_0 and it was 110 meters elevation yeah we just did that yeah and we punched that out in 23 minutes or

spk_0 something and that's including an eight-year-old it just smashes out that's pretty high cool and

spk_0 that was at the end of the entire hike so that was at the end of going all the way down can you hear

spk_0 something oh it's a bird yeah it's a bird up here somewhere yeah nothing much

spk_0 craigs got the headphones on so he's getting a height and sensory what's going on but I don't

spk_0 so I'm just hearing naturally it's back here it's back there that's the problem I can't exactly

spk_0 you can't pinpoint it because it's you can't turn your head it's not working yeah he's back here

spk_0 he's probably come oh there he is right there see above that pool it's a I think it's a phantil

spk_0 yeah there he is I'm gonna swim oh my gosh that's the cutest thing ever that's cool

spk_0 he's what's that five meters yeah can you can you hear the chirping in the headphones

spk_0 the i would have just heard him splash or reckon i'll just um let's be quite for a sec

spk_0 oh he's off and he's off that with him just having a little bite in the water right

spk_0 oh he needs back again oh my gosh he's cute oh he probably can't hear that on the audio

spk_0 but yeah it's cute it's so cool it's good for us anyway you know it's all about us

spk_0 I don't know if it's worth me trying to film that because it's I don't know what that is

spk_0 correct that is not I don't think that is a phantil it's acting like one oh yeah it

spk_0 put it this way it's not we're um what two hours from our house we just probably like three hours

spk_0 from our local area that we do hike so things are slightly different down here oh there's a second

spk_0 bird now coming down the bottom yeah he's gonna have a swim as well oh that's cool I love little birds

spk_0 like I saw in this meme or some twitter comment or something that

spk_0 one day you're just hiking and then you just get to a certain age where all of a sudden you're

spk_0 just into birds bird watching just overnight you just like oh man birds what type of birds that

spk_0 oh yeah that's a that's a fairy ran oh awesome I'm gonna look that up when I get home it's happening

spk_0 already it's been happening for about four years yeah speaking of which we saw some pretty cool

spk_0 birds down there so yeah that yeah the boys did really well we found a couple of swimming holes

spk_0 down there that were different different ones I could never swim in before and that's about it

spk_0 I chucked both of my eldest sons in the driver's seat of the fall drive for a couple of case

spk_0 if I did their first drive that's a ride of passage right yeah exactly it was if everyone kind of

spk_0 kilometer so what's that I don't know I'm not good at miles 10 kilometers is six miles that's

spk_0 correct isn't it yeah 10 kilometers is six miles so they did about one one half so probably a mile

spk_0 maybe just under but yeah they were great man they loved it they couldn't stop talking about it

spk_0 just yeah good it was really good they did a great job though listening really well

spk_0 the little the little guy that eight year old had this slip

spk_0 it was on this we were going along this rock face that was probably I'm not gonna say 45 degrees

spk_0 probably like less than that maybe 30 degree and we've got to this point where we had to go

spk_0 between these two rocks and he's held on to a rock about the size of a basketball sort of thing

spk_0 and he's held on to it and he's made the mistake of putting both hands on it

spk_0 and putting all his weight on it rather than sort of having his feet stable and then one hand

spk_0 somewhere else and it was just in the dirt and it flipped down and he he kind of went down on his

spk_0 chest and then the the rock bumped him in the top of the head and and it was for me I was sort of

spk_0 three four meters ahead and I just turned back and I had to watch the whole thing happen

spk_0 and he kind of slid down and and the rock didn't do any damage it just went around him

spk_0 and but he was sliding towards this drop off which was probably

spk_0 when I was looking at it it in my mind it was 10 meters high but when I actually went over there

spk_0 and got him down it was probably one and a half meters like not not even my height

spk_0 yeah and it's probably like my chest height shoulder height now still he could have he could have

spk_0 tumbled off there and even like a one and a half meter drop is a broken arm broken leg concussion

spk_0 something like there's still that yeah and it kind of put a bit of a shock into me and

spk_0 you know as a parent or just anybody taking anybody hiking you do you are running some risk

spk_0 everyone's at risk all the time hiking and I don't mean that to be it

spk_0 not trying to make it out to be this dangerous pastime I'm just saying it's a fact like

spk_0 we could twist an ankle here today yeah easy you could have a full slip and go down on your forearm

spk_0 the wrong way on one of these boulders and you go to fraction forearm like these things that

spk_0 can easily happen you know we walked past the snake as I said we went we were near some

spk_0 you know not friendly on the trip but at what point you know do you

spk_0 like I tried to educate him on afterwards like calmly like when he he cried a bit he was in shock

spk_0 you know it was the way he saw it was like he was sliding towards this 100 meter cliff because he's

spk_0 so small so we you know gave him a hug and we come down I come down a bit as well and said

spk_0 okay wasn't nearly as bad as I thought but when I look back and see a kid sliding down a rock

spk_0 yeah I'm just thinking oh my gosh knowing full well that we're at least an hour well put his

spk_0 way if I had to carry him we'd be an hour and a half to two hours from the car two hours from the car

spk_0 and then another hour and a half to a hospital so those things kind of went through my head and

spk_0 it's uh it's the next level sort of fear mate compared to when it's just yourself

spk_0 when it's just yourself that's exactly right because if I break my arm I'll just

spk_0 swear grip my teeth strap it up or whatever calm down

spk_0 go to my pack gets some you know some paracetamol or whatever I've got in there

spk_0 try mitigate some of the discomfort and then make a plan and move

spk_0 uh

spk_0 uh but it's not the same when it's somebody else and it doesn't even have to be

spk_0 um you know your own child or friend or parent or whatever I think just anybody with

spk_0 just puts an extra level of uh yeah

spk_0 chance of accidents but there's that everywhere just is well that's exactly right and this is

spk_0 what kind of got me through it later was I'm thinking gosh am I a bad parent that's

spk_0 doing what you don't remember but I did tell the story exactly the same with one of the

spk_0 twin girls I actually caught her as she was hanging off basically a two meter drop yeah and I vaguely

spk_0 remember that yeah I do remember she thought she tells the story that I saved her life but you know

spk_0 it wasn't it was deadly yeah so I understand maybe probably a twisted ankle or something or a broken

spk_0 leg so you've got those risks and you know I've been hanging out with the kids at the beach a lot um

spk_0 and lately and it's not not quite as well but they're not swimming in the surf which is dangerous

spk_0 but just going to beach me and hanging out on the there's not much risk there it's pretty safe

spk_0 but then yeah comparatively like you're closer to civilization

spk_0 accidents gonna but they can walk down the steps at that place to the just before the sand or on the

spk_0 way up uh misjudger step and um knocked there two front teeth out you know you're on edge of it

spk_0 when you take them out yeah yeah yeah and I mean I'm grateful uh to have a 12 year old and a 14 year old

spk_0 and the 14 year old is really stepping up and I don't mean that I don't mean there was any

spk_0 obligation for him to do so I mean he's just he's just taking things upon himself to look out

spk_0 for others and leadership yeah he's just he would be an even 12 year old to some extent a valuable

spk_0 asset in the event of something happening where we had to split up you know if we were there and

spk_0 we felt that you know for example a snake bite we don't want to be carrying people around

spk_0 because we don't want to move them right sure so and on the only person that can drive a car

spk_0 despite the fact I said the two of them can drive um I'm the only one can drive to help or even to

spk_0 get fine signal I would be confident in leaving my pack with the two older boys and the younger one

spk_0 you know to look after the younger one or whoever it was and then knowing that I can go and get help

spk_0 and come back and know that yeah they've got food they've got water like they know how to use the

spk_0 water filter even like they were doing that the whole trip themselves oh can I can I do the water

spk_0 this time yeah sure get into it up yeah it's good once it's boring job please do it of course it is

spk_0 yeah he doesn't got the training wheels off right and they yeah yeah and they know me like they know

spk_0 that I would never stop they know that I will come back they know that uh I'll get back to them

spk_0 and that they just need to trust in in give them enough time to do so

spk_0 so but it's it's not what you want to think about not even talk about

spk_0 but it is a reality and that they might not even be your kids I'm not suggesting you just to go

spk_0 grab your kids and take them hiking if you if you don't know them that's creates all sorts of

spk_0 things with police and everything you know just make sure you know the parents at least

spk_0 and have permission but all jokes aside it could be your niece or your nephew or you could have a

spk_0 young cousin it could be a a friend's like you know it wouldn't be uncommon that for example one day

spk_0 the one of us might take the others one of the other kids along somewhere right in which case

spk_0 I'm then responsible for someone else's child yeah and obviously I have a heightened sense of

spk_0 responsibility when my kids are with me I know their capabilities but if it's another kid I'd be

spk_0 maxed out you know just yeah and and put it to be blunt I wouldn't even go to a crazy place

spk_0 I'd just be keeping it simple you know like not doing anything crazy because I just

spk_0 why add extra risk at all it's already crazy you know yeah we've got a lot of kids come over

spk_0 out place at the moment and you do worry that accidents can happen yeah it would be on your watch

spk_0 awful to have to tell the parent that you know something I couldn't think of a worse

spk_0 conversation like even with dogs like if someone looks after your dog when you look after someone's

spk_0 dog and yeah yeah um after ring out like a friend of mine was looking after someone's dog and

spk_0 they had to take it to the vet yeah because it that she thought it was going to die and I'm thinking

spk_0 and such then she's ringing up the guy on holiday is going hey I had to take your dog to the vet

spk_0 now they're really close friends but you kind of think like the first thing I'd be asking what did

spk_0 what did you do what did you go what did you take my kid what did you feed my dog you just kind

spk_0 of jumped to these things you'd have to be careful now and just be accidents happen you know you'd

spk_0 have to assume you trusted these people in the first place yeah so that trust must extend if

spk_0 something happens yes and I mean you I wouldn't let just anyone take my kids to certain places

spk_0 like if it's a local playground I would there's a wider scope scope than I would I would the net

spk_0 would be cast wider for people I would think would be eligible to look after my kids at a playground

spk_0 okay that is not the same amount of people that would be eligible to look after my kids in

spk_0 the wilderness like that basically narrows down to two basically you and and and another mutual

spk_0 friend of ours then that's it like it's not yeah I don't know as as you say the risk factor is high

spk_0 yeah it's um

spk_0 anyway I mean it's it's just I think it's worth talking about I know a lot of our listeners do have

spk_0 kids or at least take nephews and nieces for hiax it'd be I'd be interested to hear

spk_0 just other people's opinions on this topic I don't know I just think it's an interesting topic

spk_0 what whether it's scary to take your kids out and do it wild and how yeah like how do you

spk_0 um even though you want them to experience that of course you do right there's like why are you

spk_0 gonna shut them inside and say hey kids I do this thing where I go hike and I go canoe and I

spk_0 like do this crazy stuff in the middle of nowhere it's really cool that's too dangerous oh you know

spk_0 I'm gonna take you because um you should definitely play more Minecraft and other video games because

spk_0 you can't hurt yourself if you're doing that yeah but you can't hurt yourself if you come out into

spk_0 these crazy places like you know like what it's not about being I was gonna say who's the better

spk_0 parent it's not about being oh I'm better than you because I take my kids hiking like that it's not

spk_0 that's not what I'm saying what I'm saying is I think out of the two again the same the same

spk_0 thing I said about the dogs to have growth you need to offer the opportunity to you need to offer

spk_0 risk so you need there needs to be risk in the equation to have growth absolutely you do not grow from

spk_0 let's say you can run five kilometers and you just run five kilometers on flat ground all time

spk_0 you'll get very good at running five kilometers on on flat ground you're never gonna exceed

spk_0 that fitness level if you don't start going up hills if you don't make it six kilometers or 10

spk_0 kilometers but you just stuck and that's it you you've not added any extra it was it's not so much

spk_0 risk in that case but you you get my point is if you're not adding potential for I don't know it's

spk_0 tough one like you know you're gonna say that your kids can't ride pushbikes my my middle boy

spk_0 broke his wrist um yeah eight weeks ago riding a pushbike so do I say no I got to my three boys now

spk_0 I don't want any of your riding bikes because they're dangerous you can break your wrist no wait no

spk_0 my kids came yesterday came inside covered in dirt from playing cricket in the backyard to

spk_0 to the dark I love how somehow playing cricket to your kids get some covered in dirt like

spk_0 what version of cricket is that I don't care I loved it I loved it like part rugby oh sure it was

spk_0 like a grid on I'm sure they just call it classic catches in there in there in there in their

spk_0 yeah world but you know mate any day this isn't a parenting podcast but any day you can walk away from

spk_0 as a parent it's a good one right there's risks every day with kids I it actually used to me up a bit

spk_0 worrying that something's going to happen phones going to ring you know and and and definitely

spk_0 getting out into the wild there's a lot of accidents can happen yeah but that's when I want them to be

spk_0 I'm well encouraging it you know you don't want you don't want their first interaction with the

spk_0 wilderness to be um listening over my shoulder because I don't like the sound of that you know

spk_0 when they're first interaction to be sort of at 16 or or finally they're 18 or 21 or whatever

spk_0 you'd deemed to be an adult and say okay now you're allowed to hike that's too late they're not

spk_0 gonna yeah I mean and no that let me rephrase that it's never too late to start hiking we didn't do it

spk_0 until 10 12 maybe 15 years ago so it's never too late to start it's never too late to be introduced

spk_0 to the outdoors that's not the point I'm making point I'm making is you can give them so much value

spk_0 so much learning if the introduction is small like small increments early on and then building on that

spk_0 you know I think when you know when your son gets to be the age of my eldest around the 14 you're

spk_0 you're gonna sort of go wow they're I've really reaped all the benefits of having him like he's

spk_0 competent like when I when I'm sitting there making a coffee or whatever and and my boys are filtering

spk_0 water just at the edge of the stream and I can't look over and think well that's so cool like

spk_0 that's cool or if I say hey can you just like to stoke for me and they're oh really I can light it

spk_0 like of course you can go for it you know those things are there again giving them responsibility

spk_0 for something that they see as beyond their level of competency or you know I see experience

spk_0 too and so yeah I'm encouraging although there's risks to get your kids out there absolutely it's

spk_0 rewarding for them for us yeah you're you're gonna be the one the benefits later I've always said this

spk_0 so when I've got my three sherpas trained up man my life's getting a lot easier man

spk_0 I'm still on your right now I'm gonna like because I'll do all the packing so I'll have their packs

spk_0 like pack to the hill yeah and I'll just have a few snacks in mine and water bottle and the first

spk_0 aid kit and that'll be it you bet so I've got this I'm playing the long game right this is this is

spk_0 all like training in depth training for these kids yeah hey um do you want you feel like a coffee

spk_0 I know it's late we don't usually coffee in the afternoon but yeah mate I'm gonna make one

spk_0 minute yeah well I'm gonna boil some water so do you want to um cowboy coffee or a coffee

spk_0 yeah yeah cool coffee cool coffee I know Robin will listen and he'll he'll judge my Swedish so

spk_0 go try and get that right every time it's going a bit fresh down here that's the other reason I think

spk_0 there's just a bit of a breeze it's the other reason I was thinking that maybe it's the hot drink

spk_0 yeah apologies if that breeze is coming through on the yeah it's more likely to be hitting my

spk_0 mic because it's hitting me on the chest but I've got a jacket there I'm even considering chucking

spk_0 that on soon but yeah excuse all the banging and everything I am going to well it's very interactive

spk_0 because I'm gonna make coffee as we as we go I'm not gonna say no to that that sounds good to me

spk_0 here's smart man I'm just checking literally smelling the pot to check how well I cleaned it last

spk_0 um that looks like moss on there right as in not slime but some moss from putting it down uh yeah

spk_0 so I'll do I can smell the coffee already mate yeah yeah you just can't matter that bag yeah

spk_0 it's it's in a ziplock bag but it's surprising how oh that's not it it's surprising how

spk_0 much you can smell it those are fresh grounds I did that um about what's time

spk_0 I reckon about six hours ago I ground that six and a half hours so they're good to go

spk_0 uh now this podcast we already get a no-boy now because you would have seen the title of it

spk_0 right uh but we haven't mentioned it and that is this podcast was meant to be the 10 things that you

spk_0 wouldn't hike without right which still happy to go into that uh but I'm gonna make coffee while I

spk_0 do it let's do it yeah so let me put some caveats in they're not but basically just I want to

spk_0 stipulate a few things because Craig Craig and I chatted on the phone last night and he says well

spk_0 what about you know clothes and stuff and like well let's just assume that you're closed because

spk_0 if we're gonna say 10 things that I won't hike without it's definitely gonna include

spk_0 underwear socks pants and a shirt like I'm not doing it uh what's that show it and they get in

spk_0 afraid not uh no I don't I don't eat any of that my 10 items are a knife or torture

spk_0 but you didn't say clothes you know what you're not saying clothes so yeah let's just get that

spk_0 but even boots right I mean well you're gonna wear boots you can wear whatever shoes you want

spk_0 I mean that I'm not gonna yeah that's exactly right I'm not gonna go into that just just

spk_0 but things that we always take with us I think that it's more like things that are in your pack

spk_0 with your pocket you know um and we we're making the assumption that you understand that we're

spk_0 closed and that when we give you this list we're not suggesting that this is the only thing we're

spk_0 carrying the other thing I wanted to stipulate is this is not by any means the only 10 items

spk_0 we carry but we're not trying to make this I'm not trying to say this is a challenge but the

spk_0 question's not what 10 items would you take if you can only take 10 items that's not this this is

spk_0 what 10 items you would never go hiking without now that includes day hikes so

spk_0 not just overnight and again going back to your point earlier let's just say it right now that

spk_0 we're not talking about things like your backpack like don't put backpack as an item don't put

spk_0 don't even put tent or sleeping bag because if you're going on a day hike then that's not

spk_0 applicable I guess what we're trying to get to is those first 10 things you make sure in your pack

spk_0 every time probably have a lot of similarities and probably have a few oddball things as well

spk_0 now Craig sent me his list last night via text and then he tried to change it later because he

spk_0 passed me this is what I'm scared about I'm scared because I told you you could take more than 10

spk_0 don't be scared I know no I sent you my list you haven't sent me yours how do I know if you're

spk_0 going to be just laughing at my list now saying you said what I'm not I've already been laughing

spk_0 they're probably I can't believe you're completely different or are they are they the same

spk_0 that's what I want to know is yours the same as mine well I'll tell you all will be revealed

spk_0 because I did write my list and compared it to yours and spoil it there are a lot of similarities

spk_0 and then there's a few things that sway in that and this is what's interesting and I didn't

spk_0 actually think it would be this interesting which is really good to say that on the podcast I was

spk_0 going to make a topic that I thought wouldn't be interesting yeah yeah and what I found interesting was

spk_0 I guess the thought the thought process been long-lend

spk_0 and to be honest like I read your list and went okay yeah they all make sense there's nothing

spk_0 that I went wow that's weird except for the Bluetooth speaker that was there then but like I

spk_0 didn't even flinch when I saw like hair dry out because I know that that's pretty I mean that's

spk_0 a staple for you if you have to give up something like you know a water purifier to take that you will

spk_0 and your iPad stuff like that so yeah but I I before you tune out I am joking at some of that

spk_0 about some of that um no there were things that I thought I everything you had there I thought

spk_0 that makes sense to me but at the same time there was things I went do not care like absolutely

spk_0 don't care I will hike now without that I don't have it today like this and I'll get to this this

spk_0 things I don't have in there that you got on you let's say I don't care to literally just

spk_0 whatever like who cares and that's not I'm not trying to say that like with any bravado or

spk_0 everything I'm not I'm not saying that oh I'm so tough I don't need those things I'm just saying

spk_0 I just want oh no that doesn't I don't care if I don't have that like it just that doesn't matter

spk_0 so it's turned out to be more fascinating than yeah I anticipate I'm worried about it still I

spk_0 have it well yeah that you should be worried I mean you wrote it's it's basically this is this is

spk_0 just going to be it's judging what you write yeah yeah no it's not like that a critique of my list

spk_0 right no it's not it's not that anyway I'm just kidding well you're making the coffee so just to be

spk_0 clear it's not like you know shelter or food or clothing yeah yeah yeah these are 10 10 items I never

spk_0 go that you would put in your pack I never go hiking without coffee but that's not my list that's

spk_0 exactly right I didn't put that in my list because I thought well only an idiot would ask me that

spk_0 I was just it's part of your food you know oh yeah that and that's another thing is I didn't even

spk_0 write food because these are things which are the things we're talking about are kind of like

spk_0 staples like you know of course you're going to have clothing of course you're going to have a backpack

spk_0 of course you're going to take it's got like water once you've got that yeah that's right

spk_0 staples what why am I going to say oh one of my tent items is water of course it is you idiot

spk_0 but thank you hike and without water yeah so that's not one of my tent items these are additional

spk_0 things that sometimes are fall into the category of creature comforts yeah sometimes

spk_0 things of interest sometimes safety a lot of safety I would say breed in your list and look

spk_0 and reflecting online and I don't know look I feel like I'm talking about it like it's something

spk_0 I'm never going to reveal to the list is like Tom come on just tell us the list we get it just

spk_0 tell us we're not 10 things yeah it's like we're intelligent listeners Tom just why the fact that we

spk_0 listen to this podcast where this clever ones I'm just making my way over to the stream here and

spk_0 taking my little microphone with me okay and Craig when we drink in the beautiful look at that

spk_0 crystal clear yeah yeah I just made an mistake of putting the whole pot in the water

spk_0 okay remember that the water collects in the bottom of the and then it goes makes a lot of

spk_0 there's these flutes underneath our pots which my understanding is they're there to stop crosswinds

spk_0 when you're trying to heat up water on your stove and when you scoop water straight out of the

spk_0 stream which is something I realize you don't normally do because you might pour from the bottle

spk_0 but when you do that it fills the little flutes with water and then you put it straight on your

spk_0 the water drips straight into the holes in the stove and it's happening me twice and the

spk_0 but as a so long in between remember it happened on the canoe trip I couldn't

spk_0 work out what was going on and then I remembered it had been so many years since I'd done that

spk_0 something so stupid I'm just moving some rocks not moving them too much just I just need to get

spk_0 a stable area for this it's about the best let me just get this out

spk_0 should be quite a bit in there yeah it carries heaps it's weird because it kind of creates this

spk_0 surface tension and it just sits in there yeah that's not the most stable base I've ever put

spk_0 my water on but it's going to be all we've got it's kind of level it's kind of dipping that way

spk_0 anyway let's get the stove on first and then I will when I'm not when I'm not as occupied I will

spk_0 look at the list I promise oh and less sorry okay I got him in a jump straight to that

spk_0 is there anything news news worthy you want to chat about no no no my sense since we're doing these

spk_0 again hasn't been that long since I've seen it so it hasn't been too much happening it's um

spk_0 yeah well that's um did I tell you in the last podcast I think I forgot to mention it I went

spk_0 hiking with a group for the first time I mean you did say that did I say it in the podcast

spk_0 I do you did you do you remember yeah you did I'd sit in the poker yeah okay have you been out again

spk_0 with it no no but there's another one with the same leaders coming up in about two weeks yeah I'm

spk_0 90% sure yeah you did we might not gonna repeat the whole thing but I for the first time ever I

spk_0 went hiking with a group um of uh meetup there was a hiking group and I went with them and um it

spk_0 was a fantastic experience I think I did say they just met people I would never met yeah and it's

spk_0 just a different vibe different pace so they're same two leaders are doing another uh another one

spk_0 they do I'm pretty much every weekend well yeah I'm gonna I think I'm gonna do that in two weeks time

spk_0 and then I've got another a different group coming up in about six weeks time that I'm gonna

spk_0 sign up for so it's um it's interesting I it's so different to what you and I do um but oh I

spk_0 know what I didn't tell you because it was since then was uh they they took us on to two little

spk_0 summits that I'd never done personally and that's why I was interested to get someone else to

spk_0 take me somewhere and the very next weekend I took the three boys up one of the summits and uh it

spk_0 was just fantastic because I'd already done it with this group I thought well I know that my kids

spk_0 can do this so we went back and was it Mitchell no no no it was um no this was up at near Tubergaga

spk_0 oh right yeah um it was uh really cool and um yeah they want to go back again it was like

spk_0 such a cool little thing so um yeah I think there's don't you know and there's probably a lot of

spk_0 people that go in groups all the time it's just never been our thing we just have this

spk_0 couple of people that we hike with and that's that so um sorry man I cut you off you just you

spk_0 didn't have anything else there that you wanted to no I don't think you can't you jump into the list

spk_0 I'll tell you what I'm gonna do you even bring a spoon not that I need one but I'm just gonna use a

spk_0 stick I just want to break break the surface of that um

spk_0 we'll just stick and get that coffee grounds mixed in hopefully that's this stick is clean

spk_0 ish that looks good there we go all right so I just want to make sure that was not just sitting on

spk_0 the top smells good no here we go okay so coffee is on um let's start with the first one on your list

spk_0 did you do them in any order or is it just a coincidence it's it I kind of felt like the order

spk_0 you put yours in was of kind of like the same order I'd go in it's highest priority but I wasn't

spk_0 highest priority but I put a couple together because I thought they they go together oh yeah I

spk_0 noticed that yeah but I didn't so it's probably not do you remember what the first one was on

spk_0 your list I think it was the in reach one no fail I don't have that I just do you want to

spk_0 do you want to do it I'll read no this is got a guessing game this is not for me to tease you

spk_0 I just thought you might know it was Grail so the oh yeah you're a purification that's what it was

spk_0 you know if you want to call them is is the brand name is Grail we're not officially sponsored by him

spk_0 we did get Grail sent to us to review and we did a video on YouTube of that which is how to

spk_0 bazillion views and I personally know so many people have said oh I got one after watching that

spk_0 video yeah um so that was my first one on the list as well like it's a no brainer I just don't

spk_0 I go on um hey can you watch that just hang on I'll see if I can just turn it down a bit

spk_0 it is downish but downish is that a word yes okay good I'm just going to turn it down a bit

spk_0 come on I think I almost put it out okay cool because I've just got to get some fresh water in my

spk_0 Grail while I'm talking about Grails because when you're doing cowboy coffee or cool stuff

spk_0 there starting to go there yeah I've got to sort of chosen the absolute worst time to leave it

spk_0 I've got some water for you um is this oh is it that just cold water cool yeah okay thanks man

spk_0 here you go um can you just just nearly fall okay this is going to get real tricky because now I

spk_0 need to put a timer on because you want to if you know what um hang on I can't do seven things

spk_0 at once let me just put a timer I can count for you then you're going to count to eight minutes for me

spk_0 okay good okay I got time I got time run now I'm going to do eight today uh

spk_0 yeah so the idea with the cowboy coffee completely off topic is you want to cowboy coffee you

spk_0 want to get it to a rolling boil and just keep it there for end of vicinity of sort of seven

spk_0 minutes they say but I like to run it up to eight or nine um and

spk_0 cool coffee is the Swedish version which they do not allow it to get to a rolling boil and will not

spk_0 allow it to uh break the surface yeah I've tried it both ways and it's a lot easier just to let it

spk_0 break the surface because you don't have to keep flushing over and on these hiking staves

spk_0 like I have actually have to physically lift it up or else because I can't turn it down enough

spk_0 that's um gosh we didn't even get through one episode about talking about how to make coffee again

spk_0 and if anyone's heard that before they think gosh Tom you already taught us that six years ago

spk_0 anyway grails I personally I mean you could put that in the category of just water purification in

spk_0 general if you didn't want to say a brand but we're just being completely 100% transparent with

spk_0 what the the exact specific equipment we take and it is the grail I love the grail because it's

spk_0 a hard water bottle um it's robust it doesn't have any kind of moving parts that can break

spk_0 what it means for the hike and you jump in whenever you like Craig but it means sure you can take

spk_0 on the hike and I did last weekend I took two liters in my um caribbean bladder

spk_0 this is just if I was away from the stream like going up or down a mountain I could have

spk_0 a sip of water yeah but I would pretty much not touch that and as soon as we get down to the stream

spk_0 we just all muck in and hydrate again just straight from the stream and so I guess my point is

spk_0 you can carry water but if you know you're hiking to a place where there's going to be water

spk_0 that you can filter yeah then you you go unlimited like put it this way imagine how much water

spk_0 I would have had to carry for um myself three kids and two dogs if there was no strain

spk_0 yeah on the hikes we did it we did some pretty big distances and and a lot of it was taxing like

spk_0 up super steep up and down steep terrain so we were sweating a lot it was hitting 20 25 27 degrees

spk_0 Celsius yeah and we had unlimited water and that's why I take the grail water is a big part of

spk_0 what we need to have out here it's it's one hands down every so many times compared to other options

spk_0 it's absolutely gold we love them we yeah we had other options we had options that

spk_0 yeah it took longer we had options that required two stages so an initial filtration and

spk_0 then sterilization um so to remove sediment and then and then the pathogens but

spk_0 and they're not just not you know lightweight if you want to just chuck a tablet in the water go for it

spk_0 but it's not but what do you got 20 minutes you got a weight wait for it yeah 20 30 minutes to

spk_0 and the taste of the tablet in the beautiful stream water that you just got

spk_0 can't really have long experience since I've done that actually I'd never done it

spk_0 literally I didn't even know if I tested it once but I had it in my survival kit

spk_0 and it's still in my survival kit that lives in my car because I figure if I've ever got stuck

spk_0 real stuck then that bottle of tablets could be useful if I didn't have the grail and I was

spk_0 just in my car yeah sure um nice definitely a good piece of gear yeah they're robust too

spk_0 like look at yours is all banged up mines mines way older than yours and 10 great Nick

spk_0 my other one of that so that's the geo press that's mines all banged up and scratched and

spk_0 yeah doesn't just change the filter that's all you do it's change filter I change the filter

spk_0 after the control yeah yeah that's right I'm ready to change mine on the geo press it's made

spk_0 difference and yep you know yeah but it still works even though the filter was probably well that's

spk_0 the that's the beautiful thing about these is it's just harder it's just harder to push down it takes

spk_0 longer it doesn't reduce the effectiveness we're close to coffee I'm telling you right next

spk_0 um so you had specifically written uh Gerber Crucial

spk_0 which is a fold like a folding set applies with a very very cool little blade in it yep and um

spk_0 so what is it it's just pliers a blade is there another thing no that's it isn't it yeah it's got

spk_0 a little saw on it too you sure no I'm gonna go you're not it's got um blade

spk_0 not have it on you yeah do okay good should I get it no no it's okay I don't think it's got I mean

spk_0 the blade has a serration on it oh that's not a flip out so no I'm thinking of my leather man but

spk_0 yeah I mean that's right down on the list because that's the one I take with me yeah so I I wrote

spk_0 knife um okay yeah more general but my knife is a bokeh bokeh I don't even know what it is it's

spk_0 it's a it's a it's a pretty aggressive little thing nice little clip point I think and a nice

spk_0 little bit of serration as well I love a good serrated edge in the wild because they're painting

spk_0 the butt to sharpen but they're just so useful if you want to if you say your blades knocked

spk_0 around a bit not quite sharp but you want to get through some cord real quick because it's

spk_0 cord on your leg or whatever those little serrated blades just eat through anything I did I did I

spk_0 still own the Gerber Crucial and I still think it's fantastic the pliers this is so useful like

spk_0 oh man it's just there's been times where I've taken a knife and wished I had the crucial for the

spk_0 pliers yeah I mean I love the man does the same trick as you mentioned earlier basically we're

spk_0 talking about a multi tool here that's right and but the difference between this and a like

spk_0 a swiss army knife is I guess you know a swiss army knife doesn't have pliers like it's I think

spk_0 a standout feature this is if you had something embedded in your foot look yeah I don't know what a

spk_0 massive thorn or something and yet and the tweezers wasn't cutting it you could go to work with

spk_0 these pliers yeah so yeah good good um but let's just say any cutting tool is is is going to be

spk_0 of great use I've I take it on even shorter oh that's my timer that means coffee's done

spk_0 I'll just turn that off did I turn it off yeah

spk_0 and I'll try and turn it time off okay uh next one on your list Craig was in reach that's the

spk_0 uh what do they call those um say like communication yeah like a

spk_0 and he used to call an e per just I mean no it's not an e per PLB personal locator beacon

spk_0 yeah it has two-way communication though which is different to some of the other ones

spk_0 uh now this is one of the ones Craig the reason that's not on my list

spk_0 is because it it will be it out and out lie because my subscription ran out and there's something funky

spk_0 going on when I try and um extend my subscription um and so I just I just chucked it back in the

spk_0 cupboard and I've been hiking without it for the last two months it was three months

spk_0 I've been quite a few hikes and I've not taken it it's a debate mate oh yeah I look I'm not saying

spk_0 I shouldn't have uh if that thing was if I can work out this is if I had a workout that subscription

spk_0 this morning it'll be with me right now it'll be on the list but I felt oh you can't put on the list

spk_0 because you don't not to put it on the list because like like you could say to me oh yeah grab yours

spk_0 out and I'd sound like a complete fool yeah because I literally do not have it here so I just couldn't

spk_0 out a principle put it on my list and say hand on heart yeah I never leave home without it

spk_0 but it's actually out home so yeah let's say this one is I'm not debating thanks for that water mate

spk_0 you can have it I'm not debating that it shouldn't have been on your list

spk_0 underbating it that it should be on my list but I didn't put it on because I can handle that but

spk_0 I'll just tell you they do not float they do not oh my gosh I lost one on the canoe trip

spk_0 do you actually have a cup mate or do I have to provide you a cup I've got a walk over there

spk_0 I was just going to say that I'll get I'll get I can reach I can reach yeah okay I'll just start

spk_0 walking over there but yes it was it was dark just on dark I think and we pulled up at a

spk_0 jetty with the canoes and I was leaning over the edge of the jetty and it went in the water

spk_0 and I watched it go to the bottom that was and you put your all down and you couldn't touch the bottom

spk_0 I put down a it wasn't just my ore I put down a kayak double-ended kayak paddle

spk_0 and pushed it all the way down yeah you're gonna you're just getting to the end of that lead

spk_0 oh be right I can reach him is precariously purged leaning over to get his cup from his track

spk_0 um yeah so that ore was told to me that it was in the vicinity of six to seven foot

spk_0 and I was pushing it down with my hand under the water another photo so and it was not touching

spk_0 the bottom and it's my fault you just raised a clip of them to something you know and it was

spk_0 just in my pocket it was I wish I've got one in my pocket right now yeah I've got a new one

spk_0 and it's actually but you don't have it clipped on anything no no it's just floating around

spk_0 no comment no comment but no I did I said the newer version it's good it's good yeah

spk_0 oh you know that was sad to see that go I I knew what had happened this second I saw your face uh

spk_0 oh I know what that was I was just I would if it was shallow I would have dived in but

spk_0 when I checked the depth for the what that's getting to I mean that's a long who knows how deep

spk_0 that was and it's to be brutally honest what we're talking about is there's actually ball sharks in

spk_0 that uh have been cited and caught on fishing rods exactly in that area so that's what

spk_0 insurance is for mate so yeah it's cheaper than insure that than it is for me to go dive and down

spk_0 and then absolute pitch black with sharks so yes they are be careful with them but they are

spk_0 really good and valuable and you know you can send a message from from most places you can send

spk_0 you can send away points home they you can people people can look up uh follow your journey yeah

spk_0 it's really cool yes the new one auto tracks so the moment it's turned on it starts

spk_0 breadcrum trails automatically so it's very good uh easy to use I've found it pretty useful

spk_0 yeah I've enjoyed like through the testing process I was sending you and another friend and then

spk_0 my family messages messages and they're replying uh they loved jumping on and looking at

spk_0 exactly where I was because uh when I tested mine it does your coffee mate yep enjoy oh well um it

spk_0 was at my friend's property so they knew the general kind of area so they I used down the creek

spk_0 oh he's staying there the night and sort of thing yeah cheers mate thanks for that but um because I

spk_0 did it's gonna be hot yeah um what did I put on the list I've better check more list but um

spk_0 um navigation that's true that's true that's true

spk_0 is pretty important and so if you if you're gonna go off trail too if you want to have a list of

spk_0 ten things you got to take with you got to take some navigation of course and really good the best

spk_0 navigation you can get is what you should have um I think that goes on as my navigation

spk_0 yeah yeah how it ties in with my iPhone I can keep it very close watch of where I am but we've got

spk_0 other modes of navigation as well yeah I don't think I put anything else navigation on the list

spk_0 so I think it's yes and there's a couple of number of reasons for that if we talk about that

spk_0 excuse me and that's definitely part of my navigation too yeah or we can jump straight on

spk_0 the iPhone because it is on my list as well yeah and I think we get yeah absolutely and the

spk_0 navigation but a compass is going to help you navigate a map is going to help you navigate but

spk_0 it's not going to send an emergency message to you I arrest you crew and that's what a PLB does

spk_0 and you can argue all day about they're expensive and all this sort of stuff and the subscriptions

spk_0 are expensive and um I will argue back and say okay see basically saying you're your life is

spk_0 is worth some $500 in total it's just ridiculous like there's this argument is not even happening

spk_0 like go go away yeah so I understand you can say oh that's not within my budget and

spk_0 all perhaps it doesn't concern you and and I appreciate all sides of the argument but

spk_0 you know craigs right like this is something that to be able to just hit that button is um

spk_0 if you never need it fantastic but if you ever did need it you know it's it's a

spk_0 yeah very good brand it's tried and tested yeah those birds are back oh look that's a fan tower

spk_0 right there see oh yeah that's the same one oh no it's not it the other one had yellow on its chest

spk_0 that is a cute bird so it's different to the the wagtows the way to

spk_0 that I have seen that type um you know at Mount Me where we go yeah I've seen that type yeah

spk_0 but it's different to the suburban yeah black and white yeah this is much smaller I'd say

spk_0 a third smaller yeah but they just moved the same down there just hilarious um so yeah so I

spk_0 phone it's a multi tool it is a multi tool it's camera it's a camera and video just for those quick

spk_0 things it's um you know most definitely I know we go to areas right now I've got zero reception here

spk_0 like absolutely zero nothing like I there's nothing I could do if we didn't have your in reach here

spk_0 I'd have to high approximately I think it would be at least one to two kilometers before I'd get

spk_0 into any range of any use and by that stage I'm back at my car anyway yeah so it shouldn't be

spk_0 relied on what it can be relied on for is as an navigation tool for example uh we use topo maps

spk_0 plus which uh reviews for years and years and I absolutely love it and it works when you don't have

spk_0 phone reception it still works as you GPS puts you on the map it puts you on the map you know where you are

spk_0 yep in in the vicinity of things so you know how far a stream is or a mountain or your car like

spk_0 you can put your drop a pin at your car when you leave at the trailhead when you leave

spk_0 you you can always turn around and start pointing yourself back to that and that is what I love

spk_0 again should we be 100% aligned on no you could you could drop it and smash the screen right now

spk_0 but is it uh what I call it a worthy navigation tool absolutely I would 100%

spk_0 yeah the advancements in in phones um I mean it doesn't have to be iPhone we just said

spk_0 iPhone because that's what we use whatever form of phone you use these days it has

spk_0 usually has the ability to do some crazy good navigation stuff yeah this is how we do the navigation

spk_0 um I remember when we started there was a lot of debate that you should also carry on that

spk_0 because these devices can go flat and yeah well back then when we started they they

spk_0 they didn't even have like Google maps was it it only had the Apple maps and it was rubbish oh yeah

spk_0 and as soon as you got out it it just basically said well we we don't know where you are because we

spk_0 don't have any phone reception yeah it still can fail like you said but I don't carry a paper map

spk_0 anymore though I foolishly probably but you know let's touch wood that we don't have to say G's we

spk_0 we got lost um using what we use I think we can usually get yeah I mean I take

spk_0 I have taken a paper map on a couple of hikes I've got a map of this region and we did take that

spk_0 um and I mean I think one time it took it and didn't even pull it out but I knew I had it there

spk_0 and in Tasmania as well I did take the

spk_0 the map that they give you you have to carry it um

spk_0 I'm not sure well maybe it is one of the recommended things yeah maybe it is what's required

spk_0 that you have it but it's yeah it's they give it to you I mean that thing there that that place is

spk_0 I mean the trail is so well defined like you can't go off that trail you'd have to do something stupid

spk_0 like go off the trail in a snowstorm to go the toilet and then get disorient and and not find

spk_0 your way back it would have to be something like that um but nonetheless what I do like about

spk_0 those sorts of things is it it did like it had things on there and this is quite different to a

spk_0 normal map I guess because it has things on well this is the distance between huts and this is

spk_0 roughly how long it takes you know three to five hours or something so you kind of get a gauge

spk_0 of how you're going but that's not that's not a stereotypical top of that so probably a

spk_0 bit off track there all right so there's that three things and now well that was four oh yes

spk_0 so um okay so you said your next one was head torch and yeah I'm with you 100% head torch

spk_0 yeah oh I showed in it's small it it makes sense so let me hear why it's in there you're going

spk_0 you're on a day hike why did you put in a head torch oh well the number one is in case we get caught

spk_0 out overnight we've got it um of course I'm assuming you can use them for all sorts of things when

spk_0 you need to see you know dark spot you know or get out of the spender or whatever it is yeah look

spk_0 uh but it's just in case you get caught out I'm 100% with you on that I always

spk_0 and and people say that I know you're overcourishous or something like that I always pack like

spk_0 I'm going to get stuck out the night always just that's just how I pack and it doesn't take that

spk_0 much extra weight but that's how I pack I pack like I'm going to get rained on and I'm going to get

spk_0 lost and have to stay out for a day or two that is why we've been out here for a couple of hours

spk_0 and I bought a stove that yes I want coffee but we now have a source of I'm not going to say heat

spk_0 like we're going to sit around like campfire I mean we can make more coffee we can heat up water

spk_0 and drink it to keep ourselves warm whatever you want um it's why I bring a lighter because

spk_0 if I had to if I had to stay here the night with a broken leg or a snake bite while you went to

spk_0 get help I'd go over there other side of the bank and I'd build a very safe fire and I would sit

spk_0 next to it for the morale and the warmth because it's going to get for freezing here in the soon

spk_0 yep um I can see it frog I can there did you get that yeah it's over behind me

spk_0 there weird it's just down behind these rocks so the sun is setting I'm

spk_0 the pace of this podcast I truly believe we're walking out of here in the dark at this point

spk_0 okay and I'm happy to say I do have my torch for the exact reason now I took it on I think

spk_0 three out of four of the hikes I did with the boys and we were hiking in the middle of the day

spk_0 the one hike I didn't take it on on the last sorry the third day

spk_0 okay we decided to stretch stretch it a bit and go back a different way and the sun was setting

spk_0 and I thought to myself you broke your own rule didn't bring the head torch because you were

spk_0 scrambling around couldn't find it because you used it last night and you threw it on your bed or

spk_0 whatever and at that point I thought if this if we're walking back in the dark and you don't

spk_0 have that head torch you are a fool an absolute fool and we got back with plenty of time

spk_0 plenty of sun left but to break my own rule and then and then be kind of like a late

spk_0 arvo like it is now I thought that was really stupid and so I put it on my list because it's gone

spk_0 back into that I won't do that again list of course yeah no it does come in handy because that's

spk_0 easy it's not a back in stuck out overnight even it's like back tonight there's big chance we're

spk_0 going back as I said in the dark so it's I don't want to be walking across these rocks and through

spk_0 crossing the stream twice with with no head torch trying to use my iPhone stupid torch on that

spk_0 which I guess is a bonus for the iPhone I'm just going to say that actually just for like a quick grab

spk_0 so we agree on we agree on the head torch that's a no brainer just chuck a head torch in

spk_0 so a couple hundred grams who cares yeah next one you put you were very specific

spk_0 okay you specifically said toilet paper nothing else just toilet paper whereas in my list

spk_0 I wrote it as a number two kit so my number two kit has toilet paper yeah it's a big like

spk_0 an oversized ziplock bag it has toilet paper yep and it has some hand sanitizer in a trail

spk_0 no no I usually use a stick or my boot or both because I was tempted to say because I've

spk_0 put a little trail thing I do you have the trail with that yeah so it's not just toilet paper then

spk_0 no but it's all going to be out you said this I wrote it quick I must say this was very quick

spk_0 what hey this is probably the best way to write it I reckon I would think it it was because we're

spk_0 packing for this too and I said well what am I just throwing it on my pack and out and yeah that's

spk_0 you know look I'll accept it I'll accept it as you meant that it wasn't just just a toilet paper

spk_0 okay okay okay do you carry hand sanitizer I feel like I don't know it's possible that I do

spk_0 but I mean there's a stream here the most places we go you can wash your hands or use some of your

spk_0 water bottle or whatever yeah but I used to take those um those sea to summit flat

spk_0 yeah a little leafy thing sort of thing in it yeah leaves yeah you basically add water but

spk_0 I found them messy and a pain in the butt to use and I didn't really like

spk_0 washing soap back into streams or or water sources and so I just stopped taking them now I use

spk_0 a hand sanitizer a small bottle pretty cool little bottle make sure they're that you don't buy

spk_0 some cheap one where you're gonna pump or something and you're gonna bump the pump in your pack

spk_0 or something's gonna snap off remember the time you had sunscreen hanging off your pack yeah

spk_0 and we're walking along for about two kilometers and I keep seeing this like white I thought it was

spk_0 white paint all over the path I'm like well what's going on here and and after two kilometers we

spk_0 realized that Craig had clipped this sun-screen on a carabiner on a carabiner on the

spk_0 white-o-d pack yeah and then the whole thing had broken off or unscrewed because it hangs

spk_0 upside down oh it hangs upside down so the bottle is there the cap came off

spk_0 it's not only did you litter in the national park it then it dripped sunscreen for two

spk_0 kilometers oh mate it was shame it was shame it went alive with my pants it went alive with my pants

spk_0 but that's right it's going down the back of your pants oh it was it was it is funny in some ways

spk_0 uh so yeah my guess my point is and that's why I put stuff like that in a ziplock bag because if I

spk_0 if there's some impact or I stand or sit on my bag or and it pops that sanitizer I do not want

spk_0 that going through my sleeping bag or something yeah so be careful with any of those sorts of things

spk_0 but yeah a number two kit telling you you don't take it that's the day you're gonna need it good

spk_0 luck with those leaves good luck better hope you get a good one okay next on your list is

spk_0 you've kind of got like this what do you call it like a forward slash like an either-or you've

spk_0 kind of got hammock chair or like a seat pad we're both sitting on these gardening kneeling pads

spk_0 yeah that you can pick up dirt cheap at the hardware store yes and Craig put me onto him and I bought

spk_0 this it slips down in between my pack and the pack frame because I have an external frame yeah

spk_0 and I forget it's there I'll take it on 10 hikes and won't use it and then I'll remember it's

spk_0 as in I don't stop but then when I want to stop somewhere yeah it's always there yeah yeah so

spk_0 but but his thing I do you want to talk to that why that's important to you before I add my

spk_0 what the the pad got a pad or and or hammock chair like oh definitely definitely the hammock chair it's

spk_0 been so useful and I always throw it in even on little day trips even when I'm just going

spk_0 uh somewhere just with the kids I just sit in the corner and hang it hang out in my chair and my hammock

spk_0 weighs a kilo my Hennessy hammock and this thing weighs 300 grams and it sets up in moments

spk_0 and it doubles as a rain cover doubles as a does required trees yep you do have to have trees I

spk_0 guess but I mean doubles is a few things it's got um little tiny eyelets for making it into a

spk_0 carp in the rain and yeah I value it so it always goes in the park two is one one is none exactly

spk_0 yep that's good I'll pay that they're reckon it's like a water bin so you can like oh if you

spk_0 needed to transport water from yeah okay it's interesting it's useful for many things that yeah

spk_0 it's a little bit it sounds like a bit of a survival kit item yeah I saw it's especially if it

spk_0 was pouring with rain and but 300 throw it over yeah yeah I'm sure you know how they advertise those

spk_0 those zero are they chairs the people are the fold up sort of yeah yeah you can hardly get to sit on

spk_0 a flat surface yeah they scare me those things to be honest you know the most expensive ones I

spk_0 mean I remember about 600 grams yes people are going to argue that there's it's more likely that you can

spk_0 use them than um atomic a hammock but here's the the point of this those birds back it's awesome

spk_0 the point of this is what we take and yeah yeah Craig knows the area is a hike and in or

spk_0 intending to hike and for example this rainforest has a bazillion trees like if we were staying here

spk_0 the night um you just string it up across there right now bang you're sitting in it so you're off

spk_0 the ground and yeah I mean so don't complain oh well that's a stupid item because I hike in the

spk_0 desert well okay take a different chair I really impressed with that so yeah yeah and then there's the

spk_0 other side where people would say well that's just that's just for comfort that's kind of stupid

spk_0 and I don't I don't think that's fair because everyone has um different reasons for being outdoors

spk_0 they do different things while they're out there so you might want to sit and read a book and

spk_0 my butt is getting sore now after however long sitting on this pad yeah especially because I

spk_0 sat upright to make the coffee and everything no I prefer to be sitting in that yeah hammock right now

spk_0 yeah and it's um likewise you're not not with you but yeah well that depends but

spk_0 no I look I'll tell you I'll tell you why it's not online and and despite the fact I've got this

spk_0 pad with me right now is I won't take it on day hike like a short hike up a a peak or something where

spk_0 okay I just don't take it don't take it no anywhere I'm going to stop though I consider taking it just

spk_0 just in case and it's got other purposes yeah I get your point it does not it must have no but it's

spk_0 I mean that's a beauty of your list versus mine is it's a what you what you don't want to hike

spk_0 with out yeah all power to you yeah it didn't I like I said it's always in my big pack

spk_0 and quite often I take my big pack on short hikes because I just love the frames so much I love

spk_0 the chassis the harness yeah it's so comfortable yeah I didn't need that pack today but I bought it

spk_0 because it's just so comfortable so yeah the pad was there as a bonus so you don't have a

spk_0 chair if any description nothing like that in your day pack no no okay no and I won't I won't put

spk_0 that in it no um if I knew I was specifically going to a spot to chill for a while I would take the

spk_0 bigger pack and this pad would already be slid down in it but there's plenty of hikes are that

spk_0 hikes saying that I went with the group I didn't take a chair that hike when I took the kids back

spk_0 it didn't like it was years when we never took anything I went to get in there for comfort and

spk_0 it it's just that I thought you had to have something heavy and bulky too exactly fit that purpose

spk_0 exactly now that I found it I'm very I'm very sort of attached to it and I really like it yeah

spk_0 you always don't use it but I would like to take it I always look it out with a can you got to

spk_0 whip it out yeah no it's it's cool I do are we going to put a link to it can we yeah we can do that

spk_0 that's where so yeah I get a late night you know try I mean the thing with a lot of our gear as we do

spk_0 spend a few bit of time researching these aren't just off the cuff I don't know you're just saying

spk_0 it was a late night purchase but yeah I don't think it was the first one you clicked on and since

spk_0 they've got so much cool gear so no I don't recommend it no there's it's a pretty cool looking little

spk_0 thing and yeah I definitely I wouldn't laugh at that one what's next okay so you had it listed as

spk_0 you know snake bite banage first aid kit yeah and I I just kind of wrote on my list was first aid kit

spk_0 because again like my first aid kit I consider the snake banage to be part of that yep my first aid

spk_0 kit to be somewhat of a survival kit like it has items in there for example lip balm that I don't

spk_0 use lip balm the only reason that lip balm is in there is for well if I had some real weird kind of

spk_0 rubbing kind of rash I might use it as as a heavy balm to protect something or but more likely

spk_0 I'd use it to to start it help start a fire that that's what it's for now having said that

spk_0 coincidentally just days ago we were out hiking and my eldest son said oh my my lips are really

spk_0 cracking up and do you have lip balm and I said dude I never use lip balm like in my entire life I

spk_0 think I've used it on maybe less than half it doesn't occasion I just don't get dry lips but I was

spk_0 able to say well yeah sure man I can check this out and on that in those four days I used that

spk_0 uh what do you call it the first aid kit three times in four days yeah two times where we were

spk_0 remote and they were splinters yeah ones that were that big and uncomfortable that it was the same kid

spk_0 like I know he keeps falling over whatever the youngest the eight year old both times like I wouldn't

spk_0 want to have that splinter in me for another four hours the rest of the day and both times I was able to

spk_0 easily because the the tweezers are I've got a fantastic I think the brand name is aid but it's

spk_0 A-I-D-E I'm sure I'm sure that I remember this we've had this check because I'm impressed by them

spk_0 they're really hard call like heavy duty stainless steel with a I had trouble finding it like a 45 degree

spk_0 even maybe steeper degree point on the end so they're not square is what I'm saying they're not

spk_0 like barbecue tongs where the the two ends are square to each other they they have this angle on

spk_0 them and because of that angle it means that the upper point you can get very very precise with them

spk_0 more precise than just your standard tweezers from the supermarket or whatever

spk_0 and they're longer heavier like there's more to hold on to which I think makes them a better tool

spk_0 now you were just saying you had trouble finding them yeah yeah

spk_0 you have you got some audio issues a little audio thing I was just my can just a little clicking

spk_0 clicking but I think it'll be good it's not too bad okay um I separated the snake bite kit because a

spk_0 lot of first aid kits don't include any sort of pressure bandage and that's critical so yeah well

spk_0 I mean that's if you go and buy one off the shelf but my first aid kit is not a is not off the shelf

spk_0 it's just a no it's I use the bright orange very small uh see it as some at dry bag yeah it's

spk_0 the brightest orange you can buy because I wanted it to be visible to anybody digging around in my

spk_0 pack in a hurry yep yep and I just cobbled it together with all sorts of things

spk_0 made mine too yeah so yeah you're right I think if you went and bought a first aid kit it probably

spk_0 doesn't ever have it might have bandages but not specifically snake bandages and as we've

spk_0 discussed before that this new idea of the snake bandages have these little rectangles on them

spk_0 and when you wrap them around your leg you pull it to the tightness at which the rectangles

spk_0 stretch to become squares totally and that gives the exact perfect tension which um

spk_0 uh is ultra important as to give enough firmness to slow down the movement of the venom

spk_0 within the limb but not too much that you're actually restricting blood supply to the limb

spk_0 so that's pretty smart real smart I mean can you do it with a standard bandage of course you can

spk_0 in emergency of course you can is it great having that one there that I could literally

spk_0 instruct my kids to do to my leg while I'm sitting there trying to stay um in mobile yeah excellent

spk_0 yeah it's good gear and I love having it like it's not it's in the same pouch but it's not in the same

spk_0 bag I showed you earlier if you you know you said I don't I don't have mine with me which I just

spk_0 realized totally breaches your I always take these ten things yeah yeah that's what you're saying

spk_0 before about you didn't have a in-regional saying don't mention this leg right kitten

spk_0 yeah left it on the way here I'd send my car in your car not your car not my

spk_0 we just swap cars yeah a little while ago so yeah we just carpooled here so but um yeah like I

spk_0 showed you and I mean this is a good tip for anyone if you're going hiking with other people

spk_0 well what I always do and I do this with my kids I do it with you I didn't I didn't do it with

spk_0 the half of this I didn't do today I will always say at the car and I showed you I was unzipped

spk_0 my pack and said there is the snake bandage it's outside of the orange bag in that so you know where

spk_0 it is what I normally also do and I'll show you see that lid of my packs back there so this is

spk_0 the underside in there are my car keys yeah and you need to know that and anyone hiking with you

spk_0 needs to know that because it's almost more important if I fall down the off the side as I mean

spk_0 it's more important that you grab that pack and you get to those keys because we've established

spk_0 what you've got your in-reach which is vastly better than me you could hit that button

spk_0 but we've established that there's no phone reception here and you know whatever the situation

spk_0 was you can get me set up what if I'm unconscious and you'd rifling through my bag and did he

spk_0 where's his keys did he hide him at the car maybe he'd him under the car

spk_0 that's important this is off topic but I just have to say if you're hiking with people just

spk_0 at the very start I just unzip the top pouch and I go hey everybody I did it on the canoe trip I

spk_0 said hey everybody in this pack there will always be this snake bite bandage and this first aid kit

spk_0 and here's my keys if anything happens you know where it all is right true and everyone yeah cool

spk_0 got it got it logged it it's okay it's not like I'm trying to it's not doom and gloom like hey

spk_0 guys this is a super dangerous expedition it's not that at all it's just why not just have the

spk_0 conversation up front sure if I if I'm over there and you know gone for a loop break and I get

spk_0 bitten by a snake and I'm calling out to you going oh my gosh I'm not I don't want to move I got

spk_0 bitten by a snake get the snake bandage like where is it like I don't want to shout I just want to

spk_0 lay here you know like why not just have the conversation yeah okay so yeah at first aid no

spk_0 brainer I mean that we could have if if it was in priority order I would have moved that like way

spk_0 up near the probably above water purification or equal to your next one here is sunglasses sunscreen

spk_0 hat you kind of wrap that up in one as one item which is yeah straight up we're gonna say you're cheating

spk_0 but what about but I will say that I don't think you need to include that hat so I'll give you

spk_0 that back so because I think a hat is a piece of clothing but I appreciate that you put it in

spk_0 there because it is sunsafen it is super important I mean super boring super boring like this hat

spk_0 you know like we've been in the poor and rain with this hat yeah I wear like an acurber which is

spk_0 kind of like an Australian version of it's a rabbit felt hat which is like a cowboy hat of sorts

spk_0 like a step step yes that's a US one yeah and in the rain I remember it's poor and with rain

spk_0 I was just wearing its hat and it just stopped everything falling on my shoulders the rain falling

spk_0 on my shoulders and on my face and just saturating you know just running down my face okay yeah sure

spk_0 I could have flipped the hood up of my rain jacket that that would probably be smart yeah I wasn't

spk_0 trying to make it a bit of clothing because you know I was I'm sure we're gonna mention that I

spk_0 haven't even got a jacket on there but I'm always packing jacket because it could be later on

spk_0 because you ran out of you ran out of numbers you ran out of numbers that's why I couldn't put

spk_0 the Bluetooth speaker on there man yeah you said and Bluetooth speaker oh that was number 11

spk_0 is number 11 that does your bonus one and and then really they're really fun to you know

spk_0 throwing the streams or you know smash on the rocks or something like that's a dig they're great

spk_0 they're so great but it just adds a little element of fun to it so yeah so I don't know so your

spk_0 last item was you had survival kit including a fire starter now I spoke to this earlier in that

spk_0 my first aid kit's kind of wrapped up yeah with that there's a lighter in there I actually lost

spk_0 my ferror rod I don't know where it is I here's a crazy thing I pulled out I went to I did I knew

spk_0 I didn't have a lighter with me I went to pull out my ferror rod I had the handle and the striker

spk_0 and the rod was not in the bag and I still haven't found it I'm assuming it's going to come up

spk_0 in one of my other packs like in in a pouch or something where it's fallen out yeah I don't

spk_0 think I've lost it but that kind of scared me because I thought well that's completely useless

spk_0 and so I think what I did with an older one I had the handle actually broke off and instead of

spk_0 gluing it back on I wrapped like a heavy duty duct tape around it and then put a little loop

spk_0 of paracord on like I made a lanyard and that is a really good handle that's never going to break

spk_0 off and it's attached to the striker so the birds are there's that like orange tested one again so

spk_0 very different bird isn't it and it's a late swim at 5.30

spk_0 survival kit I just mean that and especially in the past we used to go into some crazy places too

spk_0 yeah you always just can get one that's made to order you'll find these little things they

spk_0 size of a I'm putting my socks on if just so I didn't drop you mate well you can get some the

spk_0 size of rolled up socks they're really small and but I've made my own and I've got I do always

spk_0 like to throw it in and if I pull it open there's got heaps of stuff that you don't even think

spk_0 yeah it's got a tiny torch it's got like alfoil it's got you know solves it's got all the stuff

spk_0 and yeah so back to my point earlier and I'm not discounting whatsoever not discounting

spk_0 adding that as a separate item because I'm sure it's got duct tape I'm sure that's more

spk_0 comprehensive than what I've got yeah a lot of those things you mentioned are jammed in my

spk_0 what I call my first aid kit like they're salt in there yeah get leach and stuff off there's

spk_0 um a lot another spare lighter there's there's the um permanently in my first aid kit is the

spk_0 sso was going to say a baby bag that's the emergency baby yeah that's yeah yeah so that that's

spk_0 in my first aid so that's not really first aid no no no but I just keep it all in the one bag so

spk_0 but I get yeah I understand why you would put that down as a separate yeah item because

spk_0 you are 100% right if I said to someone hey make sure you pack a first aid kit and then we get

spk_0 out there and they go oh and I say hey you've got a emergency baby in there and they say no

spk_0 you said pack a first aid kit not a survival kit so yeah fair call splitting them out

spk_0 say a bit of paracord and all that sort of stuff yep yeah uh I will I'll tell you

spk_0 that I need to have a wee break okay we have a wee break yeah a bush wee break go for it

spk_0 okay I'm gonna unclip my this mic yeah because you don't want to come with me

spk_0 and then I'm gonna wrap up the end of my list

spk_0 yeah all right okay I'm back and I feel a lot better thanks Craig I um I thought I could get

spk_0 through just this last bit but with that coffee and all going on it's just distracting me

spk_0 well I didn't go so you better make this quick or I'm gonna make it real quick

spk_0 I'll tell you another stop that that was the end of your list the other reason we got a speed it up

spk_0 is it is getting dark yep yep uh so one two three four five six seven here's the thing with my

spk_0 list crag is I didn't get to 10 I didn't get to 10 I can I looked at my pack and everything in my

spk_0 pack and I thought I guess maybe you could argue that as we just pointed out that by bundling

spk_0 first aid into survival I've maybe somewhat cheated but to my earlier point about things that I

spk_0 don't carry or I don't take sunglasses anymore you know and sunscreen I have in my first aid kit

spk_0 so kind of again I'm kind of cheating on that double up but but I did have a rain jacket see

spk_0 on the side of my pack there yeah that's that's been on there for two months I've never I haven't

spk_0 used it it just is on there I haven't even like I need to take it off and dust it off but I've

spk_0 got my fuel raven rain jacket just straps the side of my pack and it just stays there which is

spk_0 great because I don't forget it if it's a day hike I don't take that one I take a smaller lighter

spk_0 weight mountain design that I just shove in the pack but I'll always take it it's not even about

spk_0 rain sometimes when you just get a brisk wind somewhere you just want to have that remove that

spk_0 wind shield factor so rain jacket now that only takes me to one two three four five six that only

spk_0 takes me seven okay the the other two that I put on I guess I put in reach later like there's a

spk_0 gap you see I put a gap because there's the water I take and what I should take okay and so I

spk_0 put in reach under that because I can't honestly say I bought it today but I should take it so that

spk_0 that would be my number eight the other one I put on my stove I take it I do not take it on 100

spk_0 percent of hike so I'm going to be honest about that if it's a real short hike that's just a

spk_0 couple of hours especially like when I went with that group I didn't take my stove because there was

spk_0 no kind of opportunity that other people don't sit around like we do they just want to keep moving

spk_0 so I didn't take it but I take it so off and it's not funny okay take it all the time yeah you're

spk_0 right I make coffee all the time yeah you're right I throw it in when I'm going most top most

spk_0 ice yeah go in the bottom it's good for many reasons mate to have that but that's it like I didn't

spk_0 get to 10 I maybe I should have made it five there's obviously things that you would throw in

spk_0 and there would be bespoke items that are suited to the area the terrain the climate like you might

spk_0 say I always put in a beanie okay that's great but at the moment it's summer here sure and so

spk_0 I'm not going to say I always carry a beanie because I don't but there's some things that I would

spk_0 definitely take in other climates that I don't have here if it was a multi-day hike obviously that

spk_0 pack changes dramatically and starts to include shelter and all of those sorts of things so

spk_0 hmm but what doesn't change for me I end for you is that that list there I would take that on like

spk_0 today I would take it on a 10-day hike that stuff comes with me yeah no matter what like it's short

spk_0 long whatever it just comes if if you're doing a three-hour hike and you're not taking a first aid

spk_0 I'm questioning that I'm gonna ask you like what what what do you think I want to know what you

spk_0 I want to know why you think that's acceptable because I'm curious because I don't believe for the

spk_0 weight and the size that you're gaining anything by not taking the first aid kit I don't think you're

spk_0 saying so things on that list I can't really see justifying not taking those things yeah I guess

spk_0 you could stretch your list out with some additional clothing or some additional items of

spk_0 food or some I think we're going to say even coffees not on the list yeah it always goes with us and

spk_0 it's you know that yeah they're like items they're kind of like those staples that you say well

spk_0 of course I'm not gonna hike without at least some snacks right like yeah again it my mentality

spk_0 goes back to my train of thought is am I gonna get stuck out here tonight in which case I'll be

spk_0 grateful for those two granola bars I shoved in there even though today they won't get touched

spk_0 because I don't need them just to know they're there and that tiny bit of weight a couple hundred

spk_0 grams just I don't know there's there's the that kind of ultra light hiking community is a different

spk_0 beast I appreciate what they do all the advance advancements they make assist us to hike lighter sure

spk_0 and then carry all this ridiculous sound equipment and filming gear yeah and then have basically

spk_0 the same weight pack that we would have so I appreciate those advancements but I'm not going

spk_0 to skimp on items that are of value to my safety well-being because I don't believe that's sensible

spk_0 hmm and that about wraps up what I've got to say if you've anything to add

spk_0 I don't know that's been a great chat there's a big one that I'm getting I actually

spk_0 starting to get cold to the point where yeah me too I've either got to get moving on the trail

spk_0 or chuck that jacket on which I'm glad I bought I'm wrong I tell you got a jacket good on you

spk_0 I think if we just get moving and get the packs on I'll warm up in in two minutes but we might

spk_0 not have much light left and there's a few rocks to hop over so we should put out the torches on

spk_0 I know where my head torch is to it's in the top so I think we will pack up and get a move on

spk_0 and just try and get back to the car while there's this tiny bit of light left

spk_0 thanks so much for listening one thing I did want to add is lots of people reached out after

spk_0 the last podcast was released so just to say hey it's great to have you back or all through

spk_0 Instagram and I think the shameless plug to the podcast

spk_0 our Facebook group you know people in there were just saying oh this is so cool can't wait

spk_0 can't wait to listen I'm listening on going to work today or I'm on a drive and and it was just

spk_0 great to have that recognition to realize that oh I'm so glad we I'm so glad we got back and

spk_0 did that one it's because after it came out then people were kind of letting us know that hey

spk_0 I'm glad you're back and that was really comforting to know that it was well received and so

spk_0 I know it was a short one we certainly made up for it today so there's no complaints

spk_0 but it was much appreciated and it's good to be back and and I do hope

spk_0 this this has been a good one we certainly I think we kind of covered two topics there because we

spk_0 did the first whole half was like how to be a parent everything one parenting with kids that's a whole

spk_0 well podcast in itself but I think we accidentally got tied up in that we'll say we like I'd never

spk_0 blame you for this I'll go on these tangents and you just let me go which I appreciate

spk_0 but uh look it felt like a chat I wanted to have yeah on a topic that was so fresh to me because I was

spk_0 literally hiking four days ago still with the boys so yeah I love that shit man that's good

spk_0 cool all right thanks so much guys love you all and we're gonna leave it there what have you

spk_0 doing today I have a fantastic time we're gonna get head off get warm get back I don't know maybe

spk_0 grave pizza on the way back to our cabin because we're rough in it take care guys thanks see you next time

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