Episode 15: Janice Gunn Interview

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spk_0 Hi everybody, welcome to the Canine Connection podcast.

spk_0 Today, Lori and I are super, super excited and super fortunate because we have the one, the only Janice gun here to talk to us and put up with all of our questions.

spk_0 Janice has been doing this for a really long time.

spk_0 She's very young, don't be fooled. She's just been doing this for a very long time.

spk_0 What I find utterly inspirational and fascinating is she has trained in like a lot of different dogs, different breeds, males, females, and she always does well with her dogs.

spk_0 And it's not just that she does well. I like how her dogs look in the ring. I really do. I always have. I've always been drawn to that. Janice is incredibly generous. She puts out tons of free YouTube videos, which I have probably watched all of them more than once.

spk_0 Over all the years of my dog training, she has some online classes and well in the old days, I think it was like a DVD or something. So that goes to show how old I am.

spk_0 She has generously helped me in the past with Zaina when I asked her for help. And again, I asked her because I know she has so much experience. I know she's just a super nice person. And again, I like how our dogs work in the ring. And I know her training has changed and evolved over time. And I always admire people that just keep progressing with their training.

spk_0 So welcome Janice. Thank you so much for coming. Welcome Janice.

spk_0 Well, thank you very much for that incredible introduction. I think I can live up to that.

spk_0 That's all true. It is all true.

spk_0 So tell us what got you into dog training. Like how did all this happen?

spk_0 What's up? I didn't even say you do.

spk_0 How did the addiction start? How did the addiction start?

spk_0 Well, probably like, you know, so many other people, their story was, you know, I was working full time. And I had two Dalmatians.

spk_0 And I wanted to, you know, I gone through did the confirmation thing got championship titles, but I wanted to do more.

spk_0 And so I started obedience training. And mainly because when I was working, I would come home. And my dogs have been at home all day. And they're like, you're not sitting down.

spk_0 You know, like, you don't get a chance to do that.

spk_0 You know, we've been resting all day. Now it's our time. So that's sort of what really kept me going.

spk_0 I always had a love and an interest. I used to go around the neighborhood. And I literally like I knocked on doors.

spk_0 I borrowed dogs. I borrowed cats. If I had to, if I was desperate, what that's that I was, you know, literally just dog walking.

spk_0 You know, can I take your dog for a walk and, you know, and then a couple family members got dogs. And so that's when I started entering them in like tricks, competitions and, you know, just sort of 4-H kind of,

spk_0 but it was competition based, right? So I was being drawn into that area.

spk_0 And then I started getting, you know, going to the community classes. And that's literally where it was a gymnasium and school gymnasium.

spk_0 And there was like 30 of us. And we were all going around, you know, healing in a circle. And we had to have a train.

spk_0 Yeah. And a six foot lead and six foot leather lead. And those were that was a criteria like there was no food. There was no toys. There was, you know, nothing except for, you know, sort of punishment type based training because you pop the dogs rear if they don't sit and, you know, thought it out.

spk_0 So that's how I started. That's what was available. And I was, you know, quite young man. And what, well, quite young. Okay, 14 I think it was.

spk_0 That's young. That's really young.

spk_0 But that's when I started that.

spk_0 Not just today. That's really young.

spk_0 Yeah. Well, my first title on a dog was at 14 years old. So I'd actually started like way younger than that training the neighbors dogs. And so, yeah, that's, I had one instructor who was again the gymnasium type, you know, where I was doing those classes.

spk_0 And she had gotten a CD on her Boston Terrier. And she could see that I had a real interest in dogs. So, and I'm wanting to take that extra step. So she did her best to sort of mentor me in that direction.

spk_0 And, and then from there, I just sort of started to evolve out of, you know, that the training was sort of starting to the years went by and the training was improving and, and the Dalmatians.

spk_0 I had four Dalmatians in total.

spk_0 And so that, you know, that covered a timeframe. And I had Dalmatians.

spk_0 What made you think what why Dalmatians?

spk_0 Yeah, I chose that breed because I was into horses as well. And I wanted a breed that would mesh really well with the horses and the dals there. They go back to being carriage dogs with horses.

spk_0 So, and they really did. They were truly just got along with the horses so well. And when we would go on a trail ride or something, they would literally, you know, their, their nose would be like right in the foothalls of the horse going, you know, the back.

spk_0 And it was just amazing.

spk_0 Yeah, it was amazing how close they want it to be. So that's how I ended up in that breed. And then how I got out of that breed.

spk_0 You know, I needed to want it to do more. And with the Dalmatians, I got tracking titles, CKC, A KC.

spk_0 And then it was like, well, what else can I do with these dogs? And back then there was, there was nothing.

spk_0 You know, there was no barn hunt. There was none of this work that we have today. It was, it was really limited. And I was wanting to do outdoor stuff. And that's how I ended up with the sporting dog and a golden retriever.

spk_0 Because I wanted to investigate what this field, you know, this retriever field stuff was all about. So,

spk_0 after the dals, you know, after I wrapped up with that, then I got my first golden from Sue Mayborn, Shoreland, and got her.

spk_0 And she was just an absolute gem. I haven't had a dog sense like her.

spk_0 She was an absolute gem. I was so blessed, you know, because every dog sense that has been really had challenges, you know, and she didn't have that many challenges.

spk_0 You know, she was just a really nice, nice dog. So she really helped me to evolve as a successful trainer.

spk_0 And even when I had my dals, I, the breeder of one of my Dalmatians, I was over to House One Day. And she handed me this VHS tape. And it was Ann Marie Silverton.

spk_0 And so I watched that. And that was where, you know, some of you have seen Janine working her Afghan hound, you know, the incredible healing and all that.

spk_0 And I saw that. And that was the first time I'd ever seen that type of healing. And I was just like, I have to do that. Like that. This is what I want.

spk_0 And there was nobody in my area that did anything even remotely close to that. So I phoned. I got hold of Maria, I phoned her up. And she accepted me to, you know, come to California. And I ended up on her doorstep with my Dalmatian with a six foot lead and choke collar.

spk_0 Good for you. That is literally that's awesome.

spk_0 Yeah. Yeah. So she really, she helped mentor me with the Dow. And then I just became, you know, addicted to training and I just wanted to, you know, like I said, explore more outside stuff in that. So when I got my golden Indie, I did, you know, go back and forth to California.

spk_0 And Emery gave me a really good base and excellent base. And I know she was a balanced trainer. And that's, that's what we did. And, and then for, and then Sylvia Bishop, I was mentored a lot by her. She would, I'm very close to Washington state. And she came into Washington a lot.

spk_0 So, you know, I worked with Sylvia a couple times a year, different type of training, but very, you know, she's pretty motivational. And yeah. And so that was, that was really good. So I learned a lot from Emery and Sylvia.

spk_0 And, and then one of my dogs down the road, because I was a balanced trainer at that point.

spk_0 I mean, I think everybody was, because there was really no other option as far as we knew. I mean, although Sylvia was fairly motivation or is was fairly motivational.

spk_0 I just don't think positive was really a thing then.

spk_0 No, it wasn't it like it wasn't a thing. Then and Sylvia was probably the closest to it, but, but, you know, not at not what I am, you know, not what I do today.

spk_0 And so one of my golden's, you know, I was, I gave, you know, she did not appreciate, you know, that type of training she didn't like punishment or corrections or that kind of thing. And I was really good at it.

spk_0 I mean, I could give my dog a correction and I could then bring them back. You know what I mean? Like you can give my correction and then let them seep into that, you know, feel awful.

spk_0 Yeah, I could bring them back immediately and we'd be back working again. But this one particular dog, she was a golden and she was the one that said, no.

spk_0 And she told me that, you know, like I had, I had done somebody had told me, you know, I she wasn't doing her drop on recall like she, she should be and somebody said, you know, like, oh, you got to get a throw chain and, you know, you just throw this towards her when she's coming in and she presented that.

spk_0 And where she told me, because she was fine in training, but when she said, gave me a different perspective perspective was I was in the ring.

spk_0 And we were doing a drop on recall and call your dog and she just she wouldn't come.

spk_0 She's like, this is how I can avoid this whole situation. I just come, you know, and so at that point, I was like, you know, kind of thinking things over a little bit. And then she, she was a young dog. She was only like just turning sex. So she was still fine.

spk_0 And at that point, I just sort of broken her on that and she got cancer.

spk_0 And so I lost her very early, but, but when that happened, that kind of I started trick training. And that's where I learned a lot about, you know, shaping, offering, clicker training.

spk_0 Everything was positive, you know, and she had been told, best what to do, show them what to do for five years of her life.

spk_0 When I started, you know, she had cancer, but she lived for, I had she had surgery and she lived for like another three months and she lived quite well. But I did start doing, you know, I come in to try some shaping and stuff like this with you.

spk_0 She couldn't, it was, it's really hard. It's so much harder with dogs that have never done it before.

spk_0 They're like, show me what to do. I'm just going to sit here and tell you tell me what to do.

spk_0 Because that's like, they don't have that pat, you know, it's like they haven't had that opportunity to find their own path. We've always like given them that path, you know.

spk_0 Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that was kind of interact. You know, this is all information that I'm gathering and, you know, like how hard it was for her.

spk_0 And, you know, and, and at the same just at that time I had mighty and he, he was Labrador Retriever.

spk_0 And he very high drive, very brilliant young dog and he would do anything. And so I started trick training with him because he was so good at, you know, offering and letting me shape and all that.

spk_0 And he was a blank slate. And I'm like, this is amazing. I love this stuff, you know, and how my dog was so excited to learn and how happy they were.

spk_0 And, you know, so that was, that was how I evolved to, you know, where I just don't, you know, I don't find it. I don't need to use corrections because I have ways to show my dog what to do, you know, in a positive way.

spk_0 Right. Right. That's awesome. I remember mighty. How long ago was that?

spk_0 Yeah. Yeah. So he, he died at 12 and that was like two years ago.

spk_0 Okay. So that was, yeah. So it was a while ago.

spk_0 It was, you know, we're going back like all this happened about 14, 15 years ago. Things started to change for me, you know.

spk_0 And, and I know you guys too, you know, I probably have sort of a similar story how you started and how things evolved.

spk_0 Yeah. Because I mean, I think part of it is you just learn to become a better communicator. Well, so there's a couple things that I think we probably all have in common.

spk_0 A is that we're just endlessly curious, right?

spk_0 Because if you're not endlessly curious, then you just kind of say, well, I've done this. It's worked. I'm going to keep doing it. Why change? Like why bother?

spk_0 Oh, the dog doesn't like it. Well, the dog just needs to learn how to deal with it.

spk_0 Or you're endlessly curious and you're always like, well, can I make it better? Like, can I be a better?

spk_0 Like, I still feel like I could be a better communicator. Like I still feel there are times when my dogs are like, what?

spk_0 And I'm like, you know, I still feel like I personally, I could be better. And I think it's that curiosity that like or that willing list to experiment,

spk_0 listen to different people, go to different people. We have so much more access now.

spk_0 I think that helps us evolve in our training and realize there's different options and there might be better options.

spk_0 You know, you're totally right in that. That is, you know, because you would say, well, you know, you started this like 50 years old. Why would you still be doing this?

spk_0 You know, like what is it about this for that has given you this longevity?

spk_0 And you know, it's the willingness sort of what you said to, you know, to be open to accept new concepts to accept new ideas.

spk_0 There's different training methods out there.

spk_0 And I've learned from so many people. I mean, I there's many seminars that I have gone to that I've tended over the years, you know, like there's a huge base of people that have shared.

spk_0 Their knowledge and I truly appreciate that, you know, they they don't there. It's yeah, you're fine. Come to my seminar. I'm happy to have you here, you know, that I they're not like no, you can't come because, you know, you, you, you can give seminars yourself.

spk_0 And what if you steal something of mine, you know, but, but no, it's not been like that. Everybody's, you know, open arms. And so I have learned a lot.

spk_0 And then now with the online training, you don't know, you know, who if you if you choose to put yourself out there like you guys do, you know, we put your out so out there.

spk_0 Then anybody can is free to gather your information. And Petra, I've seen, you know, we purchase some of your webinars off of FENZI and Laura, your training videos are great. And so, you know, it's that willingness to share in that community and to help everybody grow so that, you know, you can just love dog training and try to be the best you can, you know.

spk_0 Right. I agree. I think we, I think we should share somebody recently, semi-neemone was like, I want to start teaching classes. And I want to teach the healing method the way you teach it. But I want to get your permission. I'm like, you don't need my permission. I'm putting it out there in public.

spk_0 Right. Anybody can use it. I don't need people. It's not mine. Once I put it out there. It's out there for anybody to use. If I wanted to afford it for myself. But I mean, what's kind of the like I remember, I don't know, it was, I can't remember how many years ago was.

spk_0 I was training my dog and I'm like, I have a mask so much information and not nearly as much as you because I have not been in it that nearly as long. And I'm like, what am I going to do with all this information? Just use it on my dogs and then die. Like, what's the point? Like, why did I, why did I like learn so many things and like experiment and do all this like, what's the point?

spk_0 Right. Right. Right. So the online thing, you know, gives me an so anyway, I just enjoy sharing it. I like sharing it. I love the internet because I love that I have access to so much material from so many other people because it helps me all the time. Sometimes it just reminds me of something I forgot or it's a little tweak on something like, do it like twisted that way.

spk_0 Yeah, a little bit. I'm like, oh, that's clever. Right. Right. You know, ideas like I'm always looking for the fresh, all the fresh ideas, you know, because it can get like we all get stuck and I just think it's, it is an enormous amount of material out there. And I think that if we can all share it and better our training for the benefit of our dogs, then why not, right?

spk_0 Yeah, no, exactly. And one of one of the things that was kind of interesting that I could apply some of these things in my in my training was when one of my dogs was injured. And then I had to get serious about rehab and can I fitness training. And that training has evolved like so much like there's so many things that you can do.

spk_0 Some of the behaviors were very complex, you know, and I'm like, wow, you know, like two side legs going and two stains did it. I mean, it just goes on and on and on. And so I started getting involved in that. And I found, you know, a lot of neat little things from there that I could pull into my competition obedience training.

spk_0 So that, you know, just another way to this is fun. And it actually a lot of that training is the shaping and getting the dog to offer and stuff. And so the dogs go crazy over it. And it just helped to enhance my skills in another direction too.

spk_0 Because I don't do tricks as much anymore. It's just a time factor, you know, and I do tricks for obedience, but I don't get involved, you know, into what I I used to do. So, but now it's involved in a different way, which is the the canine fitness stuff.

spk_0 So lots of really cool things, you know, that one of things side stepping. So I have this board is like sort of a plank. And it's say, I don't know what it is.

spk_0 4 inches wide to buy for type thing and it's six and six feet long and you know what I can have the dogs go do their side stepping and the front feet are on the front of the board. And we go all the way down six feet.

spk_0 Come back the other way. And then I'll pull the front feed off and I'll put the back feed on, you know, and move them back and forth that way. So yeah, some of this stuff is not easy to teach. And that's what I really like is the challenge.

spk_0 That's kind of what keeps us going to. Yeah, same, same. Yeah. So you said, because, you know, everyone always thinks this is my favorite thing that people think about us.

spk_0 That it's easy. All our dogs are easy. We win all the time. And it's just easy and it's never hard. And we never struggle in our hearts. I never give us challenges.

spk_0 Is that really true, Janice? So not true. So not true. And it's like an even within the same breed, you know, so I can have, you know, I've had Dalmatians and Labrador's like multi, you know, four Dalmatians multi Labrador's multi goldens.

spk_0 And even within the same breed, not one of them has been remotely close to the other, you know, like you think they were all different breeds, you know, because their personality traits, their learning traits, like everything is so entirely different.

spk_0 So again, you know, it's like you, you know, training a new dog is starting something again that is going to keep you going because it's like those cool things you get to do with them. But no, the challenges are, oh my gosh, there's so many, you know, like there's going to be with some of them.

spk_0 There's been the environmental, you know, issues and people had a yellow lab. But he had to go through this people issue and, you know, so you're solving you constantly solving these problems. And that really helps to, to make you, you know, like a better seminar presenter or teacher because it's like, oh, I've dealt with that, you know, like, oh, you dipped your, you've dipped your toes and all those things.

spk_0 Yeah, I can sympathize with you because I've had to deal with that, you know, and that, but yeah, they've all been totally different and just, you know, like, I've listened to some of your podcasts, well, both your podcasts where you've talked to a picture you talked about your differences in your lab doors, even their entirely sounds like the same.

spk_0 They're different from one is so different from the other so different. And when you talk about Zena, I see a lot of resemblances in my young female labrador, or chime, she's just a year old, and she's kind of reminds me in little pieces of Zena where you're like, she doesn't like it. She's just going to start to argue.

spk_0 Yeah, you know, this woman, you better get on with it, you know, and that's her, you know, like to it.

spk_0 And, and then Zesty, you know, reminds me a lot when you speak of him of catch, you know, like he's, oh, my gosh, he's so soft. He's like, maybe Zesty's probably got more bottom, but catch is really very, very sensitive, very, very soft.

spk_0 And he's been a difficult challenging dog to train because he doesn't have a lot of confidence in himself. And I just found, you know, he did have some physical issues.

spk_0 So I couldn't do a lot of dry building with him when he was younger, but, you know, he doesn't have, I don't know what it is, I don't know what to call it.

spk_0 And you know, it doesn't always have the best work ethic, like he doesn't put in the best himself forward, the best of himself forward.

spk_0 And so I've just had to, you know, like I was working with an IPG trainer and she's like, you know, you just have to like, don't have any rules for this dog, you know, like if I, if I'm in the building or something, I sit and I walk away and he gets up and comes.

spk_0 It's like, she's like, don't even give them the rule to sit just let, you know, like, just have to really be so light and airy and fun and constantly, you know, building this dog up and, and so this is a whole new process.

spk_0 Like I've had dogs right, I've had to build drive, but this dog gets like from a confidence state of mind to, you know, and so now I'm learning like a whole bunch of more stuff on how to, you know, bring the best out of the world.

spk_0 And so I've kind of got into that point where I he's really giddy about training now, I think it's fun and he's goofy and he's being silly and, you know, so where you kind of have to put them where they're like over the edge and they're making, you know, mistakes right and but they're effort mistakes, they're not from lack of effort.

spk_0 And so, you know, once I get him into a state of mind where I can keep them there for numerous training sessions, then I can bring back the precision and all the other stuff that goes with that.

spk_0 Right.

spk_0 I was we were talking because zeal my zeal was so sensitive like and terrified of everything under the planet terrified of inanimate objects, I couldn't use the clicker because it scared him and he was a train.

spk_0 So anyway, handling wise now this is not me okay.

spk_0 I was I was training with Lori the other day and I was telling him like this is what I had to do with zeal if I was outside the ring and I thought to myself okay this is what I need to do he go oh God, oh God, oh God.

spk_0 So I had to like do this like skipping thing and go.

spk_0 Richie, Richie, Richie, Richie, Richie, Richie, Richie, and in my head I'm like rolling my eyes like I can't believe I have to do this right but that's how sensitive he was like if he thought that like things were serious or I was serious or anything like anything at all he would just have a meltdown.

spk_0 Yeah, so I had to always be like everything is butterflies and roses and sunshine and it's okay and we're going in the ring and yeah it's fun.

spk_0 Yeah, oh my God.

spk_0 Yeah, that sounds very similar to catch although he's not he's not as viral environmental like he seems to be able to focus and deal in you know in different locations and stuff but as far as that.

spk_0 What you just described it's like yeah that's that's going to be my what I'm going to have to do and you know one thing that you had mentioned in one of your podcasts was and about arousal cues you know that you had to give your dogs you know and I thought you know that would be a really interesting topic for either a podcast or or one of your webinars you know because there's so many you know I have certain arousal cues.

spk_0 I mean it's because for my dogs as well when you have to dig deeper you know and and but but people don't they're not aware you know and they and when their dogs are sort of tanking or you know getting all these concerns and stuff I just thought that would be a very interesting topic.

spk_0 We will do it Janice you ask or we'll do it I actually have my arousal class starting in a couple weeks but yeah we'll do it we'll do a podcast on it.

spk_0 Yeah people don't understand you know what I mean they don't understand around in both ways right like I mean for zeal literally the only way that I was able to get them to even be able to compete is I had to put so much arousal in him and then I had to build that into cues so that I could activate that.

spk_0 I will notice right in the ring right like yeah so that I could get it instantly and that worked really really so well that when I took him to the classic which was a tournament he was so out of control he anticipated and three of the six classes.

spk_0 Then I realized okay well this is great now what do I do to balance that out so then I had to go and develop a arousal down cue right because it was yeah I got them like over the cliff on the other side.

spk_0 Yeah and that's kind of where I'm out with catch right now is you know that yeah the anticipation and all these little things are popping up but it's you know it's where he needs to be right now so yeah yeah.

spk_0 And that's the thing you know with with dog training that you know a lot of handler especially new handlers don't understand is how much of yourself you have to put into the dog you know that it has to be fun for the dog to for them to bring their very best out.

spk_0 Right yeah and you also spoke which I think is super important which Lauren I have talked about this is effort mistakes right because people get very caught up in that was wrong and so therefore I must say to the dog that's not right and I'll have students like they'll be like oh my god he anticipated and it's all like everything's broken out like no it's not the dogs trying the dog saying hey check it out I know what comes next look I'm doing it.

spk_0 I'm like I love when my dog does that right yeah yeah exactly because they're you know they're trying and showing they want to do it so yeah what is what is learning the ropes.

spk_0 Yeah so I think if the dogs are putting an effort we have to recognize that sometimes and just you know be okay with that and not always be so worried about the actual mistake yeah yeah.

spk_0 So with when you have all these different dogs but and obviously they're all challenging and then you work through it I will from obviously I haven't seen you in person because we're on opposite coast but like on the videos I would say like their performance looks pretty consistent to me and the ring like in other words.

spk_0 Like obviously maybe one dogs bigger or smaller or their gate a little bit but in overall I would say they work very similar in the ring so like what is your secret to getting that consistency.

spk_0 In the ring.

spk_0 Do tell I know sure.

spk_0 Well when one thing that I think is so cute you know is when I watch my dogs and I always get comments on this you know and this has been the last number of dogs and it's just their tails don't stop you know it's really cute like even like my Labrador Remi.

spk_0 You know that tail just constantly you know and every dog sense past him you know has been the same like it and that and it's I think when you you know it's just always wagging you know on fronts on finishes on healing on everything they do you know and.

spk_0 And when I see you know a tail set that's carried low and sort of the ears are pinned a little bit it just kind of showing me that the dogs not you know enjoying it so.

spk_0 So that at least when I when I watch my dog on video because I don't see all the tail wagging you know going around all the time you know and but but when I watch them video it it brings me joy because it tells me.

spk_0 That that they're enjoying their training and and a lot of so where that would come from them would be in the training process you know and so you know using positive reinforcement i use I like to use toys for reinforcement as well remote reinforcement is another fun way you know it's people like well I got to get them off the food I got to get them off the toys you know and.

spk_0 And that is kind of a fine art but I think it happens a lot of it happens when you're training so.

spk_0 If I were you know there's seeking like numerous seminars and pretty much every seminar people will ask you know well hi how do I get my dog off food you know and i'm like well first off you have to be a clean trainer and.

spk_0 And this is where and I said you'll see as the weekend goes i'm going to you know make point of things that you're doing.

spk_0 That are keeping you in that where your dog is not going to be able to come off the food is easily.

spk_0 Right and you know it will be things like reinforcing the dog for no reason.

spk_0 yeah see that just because he's cute and he's sitting there whatever you know but we enforcement coming when they haven't done anything.

spk_0 I was sitting here another one here's a classic let's see we're doing motivational recalls and the handler walks away turns around digs it into their pocket.

spk_0 what's a piece of.

spk_0 Yeah and they're now right and now we're going to do the recall well how come in the ring he does it different than in training and so.

spk_0 You know a lot of it comes down to you know being aware of these things that that you're doing because it just inhibits you know moving the dog forward.

spk_0 i'm so happy you said that because I always talk about ring picture and then I think I just have to name it something different because then people get this thing in their head.

spk_0 That i'm not that it's not fun they're like well if it's formal it's not fun i'm like no no no no I can still do the game I just look exactly like i'm going to look in the ring i mark.

spk_0 There's a pause then I can do whatever I want I can run I can throw I can.

spk_0 Joy I can.

spk_0 You know yeah the clarity when you said you can mark so you know marker training like I learned I went to I don't know how many five or six clicker expose you know and I you know advanced marker training.

spk_0 Speakers and I learned a lot about marker training and why that's important and you know a lot of people don't appreciate it and and the things that you can do with that you know you can end the behavior on you know a terminal marker and.

spk_0 It could be the dog spits out the dumbbell comes running to you because you marked the turn you know.

spk_0 And and they're like oh my god you can't do that and I thought that too you know before I like like when I I saw the my first seminar with a marker train I'm like I would never do that you can't let the.

spk_0 Yes, dumbbell like that or how about my favorite is when I say as soon as they pick up the article mark and then they're like and then they dropped the article and everybody freaks out yeah yeah right yeah.

spk_0 Yeah so those are the things that you know just these are just a few things scratching the surface that you know like the marker training you know obviously that's fun you know I can have my dog run out and go out and go drive all the way to the back.

spk_0 Stension and then just mark that and that's the terminal marker and the dog can come flying back to me you know so I'm just trying to build.

spk_0 A fast go you know and don't I'm not worried about the turn and said and then it's like well then my dog won't turn and said and then if I call him back to me then he's not going to start taking the jumps anymore and so but I think that's part of just you know people have to learn right they don't know and that's where we come in right like we're trying to educate that these are some of the things that you can do with your training so you get.

spk_0 Your dog to enjoy the process right right.

spk_0 Yeah that's a really good point yeah and because and that I think that's too that I know for me personally that's a big part of the reason why I put things out even if I you know just free videos like that I just throw on Facebook or something because for sure obedience I'm not saying it's the only sport there are other sports but it's still the

spk_0 the bulk of it is steeped very much in the old training methods it's just steeped and I'll get people and they'll be like well but five people told me you know this that if I do that it's not going to work or I have students that I'm like this is how they they understand the method but then they go to class

spk_0 and then everybody you know then they're like self conscious because like or then structures or other people well why are you doing like that you're going to ruin your dog you know so it is very challenging it's tough yeah because there's that pressure you know yeah but I feel like if we just keep putting it out there sooner or later the times.

spk_0 Yeah I think people are and if you know if they want to learn and try the stuff and you know I agree I agree that's how you get to where we are is is trying trying it out you know and seeing how it works with your dog right different methods and different different ways of doing it definitely do you think about yourself a lot oh sorry go to follow that no follow no follow that thought well I was just going to say um

spk_0 so one thing for me that is it's a blessing but it also is it's kind of a unique situation is that my dogs do like upper level field trial work as well and so that you know when my when spring and late spring and summer yet you know my focus has totally pretty much switched

spk_0 over to to doing field stuff and then now you know September is coming and the you know things are starting to I like that fall show season and and winter training and stuff because I don't like being out in the field when it's pouring rain and training dogs but you know there are certain challenges you know that come with that too mainly you know one of them is like time and you know keeping the dog

spk_0 like at dogs at the top level in both sports so are you doing obedience while they're doing field work as well like a little bit of training or is it like this is the field season I just do field and then this is the obedience season I just do obedience you know I if I don't do some obedience through the summer I just I miss it too much you know I really love it and I'm like today I'm obedience training so

spk_0 I do intermex it we my husband met him because he is a field trial trainer and so he's he's one of national he's got tons of experience and he's a very good trainer he's got lots of you know field trial champion titles on our dogs we train them together he's like no it's not just me you're coming to the steering wheel and you're doing this you know and doesn't let me shy away when things get tough you know is like no you got to do it too come on you know

spk_0 any very generous we had you know one dog Stanley will numerous dogs but but I was running with TNT Stanley steamer and TNT's explosion so Stanley and boomer and then our labrador yellow labrador and these were three you know like highly competitive field trial dogs and highly competitive obedience dogs trial dogs as well and so I was training you know the three of them and probably a fourth one on the

spk_0 side and much younger than but we would you know go south in the winter and you know we do the field training and stuff and we come back and I'd start obedience training again and and but but through that career you know John would be like you know Stanley was having this great derby career and he was winning and John's like no you got you run him at the trial you run him and I'm like no I don't want to I don't want to rack it you know because he's on this he's on this streak you know

spk_0 like you stay with it and he's like Janice I don't care how many blue ribbons he comes home with I want you to have the experience I'll never forget that when you know you said that so I'm like okay and and guess what Stanley started winning for me too you know it was good

spk_0 he was just a really really nice dog like he was a Canadian A K C Oc dog field trial chair an FC a FC in A K C and C K C

spk_0 and the master hunter all by the time he was five years old wow five years old I mean talk about that dog was just like a team super team

spk_0 player you know so wow and it was like where we could you know he could win one of the dogs could could win an open one weekend and then the next

spk_0 weekend get a 200 and obedience like it was amazing you know that they could cross over like that too yeah right

spk_0 right right right so do you and your husband have you guys have like your like separate dogs like you

spk_0 have your dogs now and he has no no we've never done that because he you know like he if we're not going south or

spk_0 something like he takes the winter off and you know he is we're both getting older and he not training every day and stuff so if

spk_0 he had his own dog you know it probably would be doing nothing a lot of the time yeah so yeah so you know even back then like he's you know if

spk_0 you're a good trainer sometimes you don't have to train as often or you or you have a plan and you know what you

spk_0 want to do when you're doing these training sessions and so we always shared the dogs that way so yeah so you know there

spk_0 but there's never been any really huge challenges to that except for maybe for me going to the field because he's

spk_0 much more traditional and demanding and I'm like the cookie trainer and so they're like they take him a

spk_0 little bit more seriously it is very difficult task but then no they work for me and it's and it's kind

spk_0 of a nice break for them as well just to get out and do something different you know and it gives me

spk_0 it keeps me fresh and and then you know we like to I like them just to be dogs too like a yeah

spk_0 hiking with your dogs you know like if I can get it to a beach or you know like we're doing all that stuff

spk_0 you know because that's one of the reasons I get so much joy just watching them run on your dogs yeah

spk_0 be dogs because I think they need that they need that balance you know I think with the amount of

spk_0 training that we do and you know at that at the level that they're doing it they they definitely

spk_0 need to just be dogs and I need it too like I just need to be out with them you know it's so important

spk_0 yeah we need it too like I remember hearing when I first got into obedience you know there was

spk_0 train out there and you know like a number of days before the trial the dog would go live with

spk_0 somebody else and then before that you know and then when they were at home they were always in a

spk_0 you know some kind of a candle like not a crate necessarily but a you know a dog candle and

spk_0 they're no enjoyment is allowed in their life you know it's just you have to you know the only

spk_0 enjoyment that you're going to have is when you're out training yeah like you only come out to train

spk_0 yeah yeah and all of that kind of stuff and I'm just like I don't want to do that you know I don't

spk_0 love a dog that I want to be separated from right right my dog my dog sleep on my bed

spk_0 they're like every yeah I'm taking when I get my oil change I'm like I'm taking a dog with me

spk_0 yeah exactly that's what that's what one thing that people want to know you know like they'll ask

spk_0 a summer's I'm like what is the daily thing you know for your dogs and it's like well they're

spk_0 house dogs you know and they're spoiled and you know I don't know about you guys but when I

spk_0 show and I travel in a matter of hotel my dogs are in the room with me yeah yeah and a present

spk_0 and people oh wait like a lot of times so I'm so like I feel like if I'm at a show all day like

spk_0 when we do like a regents like a three-day show right there it's long days they're in in the

spk_0 crate all day mm-hmm I get to the room like a lot of times they'll be like oh come to dinner I'm like

spk_0 no yeah I just eat in the room with my dogs because I don't want to have to put them in the crate

spk_0 or in the car like I just want them to be able to hang out and relax I want to take them for a

spk_0 little walk I want to be able to stretch like yeah so no my dogs they're always they've even when

spk_0 I did fieldwork they were always in the room with me they sleep on the bed with me yeah yeah

spk_0 too and that's how I you know that's yeah that's how I want to live with my dogs you know John is

spk_0 you know he was like oh you know I don't know like it when we're traveling and and at a field

spk_0 troll or something and we've got a you know a truck they've got their crates in the truck and

spk_0 then we've got a trailer and he's like I don't know and but now he's he's he's soft now don't

spk_0 don't let him hear that but he's he's much softer and you know I made they come they all come in

spk_0 and they sleep in the trailer at night with us you know and it's like and they go out and perform

spk_0 just the same way you know like I personally don't see the difference but there's

spk_0 that mindset like if you're too nice to the dog they won't work for you kind of thing

spk_0 but that's that's old I think that's old school I think this and it's an old school I mean you know

spk_0 what I mean for fields world like a lot of dogs are on pro trucks they don't live in houses they live

spk_0 in kennels they're on the trucks when they go to trials they sleep in the trucks like yeah that's

spk_0 that's the world like that's what they do that's you know that's accepted that's just how it is I

spk_0 mean I never did that I always you know Tyler was in the room with me and right I don't I don't

spk_0 think it adversely affected his performance and any way any of my dogs performance in any way

spk_0 shape or form yeah yeah if they love it if the dog really enjoys it you know because there was one

spk_0 I remember this one fellow he we were at this national for field and and every night you know he

spk_0 would take the dog in the room with him which was like so and you know we're going back 15 years

spk_0 or something but you know that was so not what anybody would do you know but he but that's what he

spk_0 was doing he like he won the national and the dog just he loved what he was doing and he went out and

spk_0 he did his job and and you know and and with our dogs you know I think maybe when it's more

spk_0 punishment based and there's not as much in it for them but you know with the way we train it's like

spk_0 there's a lot of enjoyment in the training so you know you don't have to segregate yourself

spk_0 away from them so that you know it's going to be something that is different when they actually

spk_0 get to see you I don't know just the way I kind of my my dogs have always been my pets first like

spk_0 if I get a dog and it tomorrow like if I got a puppy and I had it six months and something happened

spk_0 and it could never work it would just be my pet dog like their pets that's what they are first and

spk_0 foremost they are my pets they're my companions they're my hiking buddies they hang out with me

spk_0 they're just with me all the time the work is what I like to do with them and they enjoy it and

spk_0 it's something we do and I feel like it builds a really really strong relationship with them

spk_0 but that you know and yes I get dogs knowing that this is what I want to do with them but

spk_0 first and foremost they are my pets yeah period and of the story yeah and I think a lot of people

spk_0 are gonna want to hear that you know that it's not something that you know because that is

spk_0 the majority of people out there that's what they do with their dogs when they're doing right

spk_0 obedience you know and that's what they want to do I had Zaden he couldn't do obedience like he wasn't

spk_0 wired right like he had a bunch of issues and so you know whatever I was like okay he can't do

spk_0 obedience whatever he loved agility I hated agility hated it I did it because he loved it I was

spk_0 like I was like oh this is what soccer pants feel like like like you're not doing you're doing it

spk_0 because the kid likes it right so he loved it I did it I I I just found it incredibly frustrating

spk_0 as from a handler perspective but um and not good at it I got him terrible at it and then I

spk_0 remember one day just I don't know how I got into this conversation about him with somebody and

spk_0 I was like oh yeah and I was describing all the weird things all his weird issues and whatever

spk_0 anyway long story short and I was like yeah he was supposed to be my obedience dog but you know and

spk_0 she looks at me and she's like well why didn't you just rehome him and I remember being horrified

spk_0 I almost started to cry I was like I love him I loved that dog so much loved that dog and he

spk_0 was such a cuckoo head and he needed so much anyway but I loved him loved him and it never

spk_0 literally crossed my mind for a second that I was not going to keep him ever right

spk_0 and so that's it so like if I couldn't compete with my dogs tomorrow I would still have dogs I would

spk_0 still you know their lives other than training would be the same we would still hike we would

spk_0 still hang out I'm I still take them swimming um and yeah we so now for like Lori you're looking at

spk_0 puppies are you well always yeah we're always looking at puppies the the problem that's not really a

spk_0 problem but it is the breeder a very good friend of mine who happens to be ever's breeder she literally

spk_0 lives 20 minutes up the road for me so it is very convenient to go look at puppies all the

spk_0 time very dangerous very dangerous so you know when she's got letters on the ground I can easily just say

spk_0 you know I don't need poppin and just see so I go and I and I visit so we are and I'm always looking

spk_0 and uh you know I have a thing like it's just it's got to be the right puppy you know I got a really

spk_0 feel it I'm not gonna just take any old puppy but yeah it's always you know it's always out there

spk_0 always and Tate what about you well I really um I really did not I was not gonna get another puppy

spk_0 because you know I live by myself so having four is a lot because I do something with all my dogs

spk_0 right and same I'm getting older I still work till like zeal's 13 but like I he still wants to train

spk_0 so I do he's our distraction dog like he wants a turn right and when I hike like I have to make

spk_0 accommodations for him so like all my dogs get something so I had said that I was not gonna get

spk_0 another dog until he was gone and until Zena was closer to retirement etc etc well then

spk_0 Zestie's breeder uh told me that she's only gonna that after this next spring she's gonna retire

spk_0 so now I'm gonna be getting another puppy in the spring because I said to her well before you

spk_0 retire you need to give me a one more because Zestie is well it's Zestie he's a he's a just oh my god

spk_0 I love him he's a really special dog and I just I like what she breeds and so anyway so I'll be

spk_0 getting one whenever she breeds the puppy the right litter and tells me that you know this is still

spk_0 one so yeah I'll be getting a puppy I lied as always actually none of my friends can believe that I

spk_0 that um like they kind because my kind of M.O. is my M.O. is like a dog dies I'm devastated and

spk_0 what do I do to make myself feel better I go out and I get a puppy so they can't believe that

spk_0 after Zena and pass like that so much time has gone by and I've stuck with three but you know

spk_0 like three is a lot well in it's three is just comfortable too because you can take three places and

spk_0 yeah once you get into that for it's it's it's way more difficult to do really hard right yeah

spk_0 and two of them are actively competing so that it's also expensive you know like the entry fees

spk_0 for like a regional for two dogs just the entry fee it's a lot of money and it's just so it's a

spk_0 lot of time like to train them like a lot of the venues we compete in like the classic or the

spk_0 N.O.C the distraction level and the challenges they encounter in a like six or eight ring venue

spk_0 with an announcer and like chaotic it's completely different than a trial like you must really

spk_0 truly prepare your dog so that it's fair to the dog right like you have to train very specifically

spk_0 for that and you have to do that for like a number of months like quite a lot of time yes and it's

spk_0 very hard to do that because we don't even have buildings that big around here never mind

spk_0 trials that are more and more it's hard to find even a two or three ring trial never mind

spk_0 you know a building big enough so we have to be very creative with our training

spk_0 you have to like it's very time consuming because in order to do these challenges like I

spk_0 we have to get together with two or three or four or five other trainers with dogs at that level

spk_0 and so when all that many people are training you're talking about training for many hours and

spk_0 it's just it's a lot it is a lot you know so I have two dogs doing that and I have zeal so really I do

spk_0 not want to need do I want to puppy do I need I love training puppies I know I do absolutely do not

spk_0 need a puppy now but in the spring if there's a puppy yeah yeah yeah take the opportunity well

spk_0 Laurie I'm very impressed with you like because you're always posting you're at this park and then

spk_0 you're at that park and then you're here and there and I'm like oh I feel so like I haven't I just

spk_0 haven't had the time you know and but now that falls here it's like I got to get back out there

spk_0 because you know that's what I got to do too I got a home I equipment out to the little parks and

spk_0 you know and I do like you know get to the home depot and cabalus and all these places to train

spk_0 like these things are you know important to be up at the storefront some you know I invite

spk_0 friends you know we'll we'll have training you know because not many matches or sometimes if they

spk_0 are out there I'm not available and so you know like Patri just said you know I've got to get

spk_0 four or five people together and you know there's a couple of deep fun torserinas that have turned

spk_0 into dog training places you know and so we can rent you know get out of my building right like

spk_0 that doesn't do everybody else any good either they have to get out different places and you know

spk_0 rent these buildings for a couple hours and just get together and do different stuff and you

spk_0 know that is another thing if people are you know wanting to know why there's dog show struggles is

spk_0 because you're not doing that and it is important that the dogs have this exposure because the ring

spk_0 is hard you know yeah and it's there's a lot going on and a lot of different noises so the dogs

spk_0 really need to generalize all their behaviors in all these different locations and yeah obedience

spk_0 you know competition obedience is is probably one of the more challenging well it is a very challenging

spk_0 sport because if you want a competitive dog you literally have to do these things and but yet it's

spk_0 so rewarding because there's no natural you know like field there's a lot of natural drive from my dog

spk_0 or herding or cent work or barnhunt like all those things are fine but they don't compare to this sport

spk_0 because we don't have any of that stuff to to draw from we have to make the training

spk_0 that that the dog is going to want to see it that it is one of the best things out there

spk_0 yeah that generalization thing it's so interesting to me because like

spk_0 when I make I make all my students go I used to joke I used to say they're probably having

spk_0 meet corporate meetings and like home depot or lows and going why are there all these dogs

spk_0 and our stores all of a sudden because I make I make I'm like you have to get out of the house

spk_0 if you cannot just train in your house and it's interesting because initially they're like really

spk_0 reluctant and they need a push and find but once they get going and they start to you know get the

spk_0 idea and get a little bit of success then it's like they're addicted and they're they are giving me

spk_0 ideas in terms of like places and I'm like oh my god I wish I had that place right

spk_0 right getting really creative and they're going to all these places I think some of it is people

spk_0 are self-conscious like they'll say to me they're like oh I feel self-conscious you know but I think

spk_0 that like most like I know I'm like look self-conscious these people like they say it to us all the time

spk_0 right I can't even get my dog to come one called or I can't even get my dog to say how do you get

spk_0 your dog to do that so if anything people I say to my students they're going to look at you and be

spk_0 like wow like that's amazing like how did you teach your dog to do that and then I think some

spk_0 people are just afraid that their dogs going to struggle or fail and then they're not going to

spk_0 and then they're not going to know what to do you know right yeah that's that's my guess those are

spk_0 I don't know what do you guys think I agree 100 percent you know there is it it is like I have to

spk_0 I just keep my eyes off of people when I'm training in public places you know I don't want

spk_0 I don't want to have any contact like and that right helps to keep me saying you know from worrying

spk_0 about what somebody else might be thinking you know and usually end up with a lot of comments like

spk_0 oh my dog if my dog could only do that or you know like compliments you know sort of thing but

spk_0 sure I mean sure I can be self-conscious too when I'm out there you know but yeah I remember

spk_0 I've been at one seminar and and whoever was it you know they said you know to be a dog trainer

spk_0 you've got to put on your actors hat you know exactly exactly and let those inhibitions go because

spk_0 that your dog needs you you know yeah yeah and I tell my students a lot I go this is where you know

spk_0 you can get all your practice in you know because when you do go to the dog show you do feel nervous

spk_0 you do feel your comments go down so this is the time so go practice out in Home Depot go practice go

spk_0 you know in a park or in a parking lot and let people stop and watch you because that's when you

spk_0 have to hone in on those skills of I need to focus on my dog I can't like pay I can't worry about

spk_0 what these people are thinking right so those that I always tell them those are great opportunities

spk_0 to practice all of that and that's a super super good point you know that you're saying that

spk_0 because because it would give that sort of you know like when you compete you know I get excited

spk_0 I get nervous you know like if if that ever went away like people you know at the show they're like

spk_0 this must be nothing for you and it's like no you know like I got butterflies I got butterflies

spk_0 going on like if that ever went away then I'd wonder what I was doing there you know because it

spk_0 but but being out at these places like you just said Laurie you know that it does inhibits you know

spk_0 like it could give them those same vibes that the dog feels at the show and the dogs need to be

spk_0 able to like who is this other person you know and not be afraid of that right right and I actually

spk_0 like I will um sometimes I'll surprise my students when they come to a class and I'll just be like

spk_0 today we're gonna go one at a time in the ring and you're gonna go just go do two of these you

spk_0 know we're just to string these two behaviors together and I'm gonna play judge and everyone's

spk_0 gonna have a turn and everyone's gonna watch and all of a sudden like the whole vibe in the room

spk_0 changes and now like the first person will go and they'll come out and I'll go so how did you feel

spk_0 nervous yeah that's perfect then because we're gonna do this quite often so you can start practicing

spk_0 how to manage that so that you can handle it better at a trial so I think it's important yeah

spk_0 and they struggle they struggle with attention right they're like oh I was so distracted or

spk_0 all the stuff is going on I was looking I'm like well imagine how your dog feels so I'm like A

spk_0 this is great practice for you to work on your focus around distractions because same thing

spk_0 that's what's gonna happen at a trial or when you're in the ring right and it's gonna give you a

spk_0 much better appreciation for how like how hard the work is that we're asking our dogs to do because

spk_0 we're asking them to basically not be dogs right like ignore motion ignore sound ignore smell

spk_0 and do this task that like is meat like makes absolutely no sense like what is a front like it is

spk_0 the most insane yeah yeah who came up with this anyway no it's so crazy and so do that kooky thing

spk_0 and ignore you know that they're that McDonald's is over there and people are walking by and you know

spk_0 the carts are rattling and so yeah I think it gives people a really good appreciation on

spk_0 it's it's beneficial for them on so many levels and then as well obviously for the dog because you

spk_0 cannot you cannot just train your dog at home or on your local training building and then put it

spk_0 in a trial and expect it to be able to work like that's not fair right right years ago at one of the

spk_0 largest dog shows it and it's kind of we don't really it's not the largest dog show in Canada anymore

spk_0 but it used to be was about 10 years ago and I remember one of my friends put out a recorder

spk_0 and they just hit the play button and then at the next time we got together training played it

spk_0 and it was like my gosh like I mean I was there I had no idea how much noise

spk_0 there was right no loudspeakers going off dog sparking people talking people clapping

spk_0 and it was intense and it was a lot you know and but yet when I was there I didn't

spk_0 process it but just seemed normal you know to me but I'm not the dog so when I heard the recording

spk_0 I was like wow I wasn't you wow yeah that was well I think if we've been doing it for a while we

spk_0 just kind of okay we train for it we're really good at tuning it out because we're really good at

spk_0 staying focused and staying connected with our dogs and I think sometimes we forget right because

spk_0 I had kind of a similar experience many years ago with my friend who um you know has never

spk_0 been to a dog show in her life like she knows I go because she watches my dog going to go away

spk_0 that's about it and it was similar situation she's like let me see a video and so I showed her

spk_0 and it starts playing and she's like oh my god it's really loud oh my god there's so much going on

spk_0 and and I was like yeah you're right I forgot well I think it's underappreciated too when I went to

spk_0 I went to Westminster this year and it was my first time ever going it was yeah people are like

spk_0 oh it's going to be really loud and crazy and it was like it was any I had not expected it to be

spk_0 that loud and crazy and I remember I was a I went up to the top of the ring to watch a couple of runs

spk_0 and you know it happened to be the end where they were sending the dogs to the go out and the dog

spk_0 would be sent out and the handler would call the sit and even from the top of the ring like I

spk_0 could barely even hear the handler calling mom said you know and I'm like these poor dogs like

spk_0 like they like they try you know they're trying so hard to like filter out all of these outside

spk_0 environmental stimulus you know it's like competing factors all the time for them it is you know

spk_0 and I remember to standing there and I like I closed my eyes for a second and just listened and I was

spk_0 like holy moly like that is just insane like these dogs are just they're just so incredible you know

spk_0 and we asked them to do it and they just try their hearts out for us it's crazy well

spk_0 Peter you had a situation that was sort of like that it when you went to cross

spk_0 wasn't it like all of a sudden you're giving a signal or something yeah at that very time

spk_0 it was yeah the um well cruffs is like there's there's nothing that I've ever experienced that's

spk_0 that big or that huge in terms of literally size and commotion and yeah there is a huge loud speaker

spk_0 and it's like overhead television thing and just as I sat or whatever

spk_0 gave a signal it like went off and it kind of startled him and I could see on his face that he was like

spk_0 he was just really upset and I just helped him you know because that dog was that was a bot but you

spk_0 there's a little backstory it's totally my fault so he was such a rock solid dog this dog was

spk_0 rock solid and I had he was just a once in a lifetime he's a miracle animal really like it's

spk_0 the longer I chain the more I realize like because I knew nothing and God helped this poor animal

spk_0 so anyway he was and I knew it so I had 100% faith in him so that was the first year I went

spk_0 and I was like a nervous rack and like I got through everything and I was finally done I was like

spk_0 thank the Lord like I like I was and then it turned out there was like a tie right so we were

spk_0 going to have a runoff so I'm like okay it's a healing runoff in my mind right so I'm warming

spk_0 him up for their healing which of course is super long super complex whatever whatever right well

spk_0 then they come and tell me no we're doing the entire run like the whole thing again

spk_0 that's the runoff it's not a healing runoff it's the whole thing and I I had had to retrain literally

spk_0 every single exercise from the ground up and so when I got there he didn't know everything inside

spk_0 out because I had less than a year to retrain things so for example instead of a drop on

spk_0 recall it could be a stand on recall or a sit on recall and you don't know which until that day

spk_0 so take it now if you teach a young dog that okay no problem you take a dog that have been

spk_0 trialing for years and a drop on recall is ingrained and now you say no no no sometimes it's

spk_0 sitting a stand that's way harder and that's what I underestimated like in my naive

spk_0 inexperienced mind a lot of these things were different but similar so it would be easy

spk_0 know that made it harder it would have been better if it was just a completely different exercise

spk_0 right yeah I felt like he wasn't completely solid on everything having to do it all again I got

spk_0 nervous and I lost faith so when I was warming him up I was not myself and he started to get twitchy

spk_0 because he was like what's going on I don't understand why are you being like this what's

spk_0 happening and I was not experienced enough in that moment to recognize it so he started to get

spk_0 very twitchy and when he got twitchy something came on and this giant overhead screen tv thing and

spk_0 it startled him so then I got my act together afterwards and so when that thing happened in the ring

spk_0 it was similar to what had startled him in my warm up so really it was my fault because had I

spk_0 had maintained my faith in him like I always had had I just held it together like I typically

spk_0 always did I don't think he would have gotten twitchy and I don't think he would have startled

spk_0 yeah so that's the back sorry it was really a handler but bottom line is he got nervous he made the

spk_0 mistake I just helped him and was really lovely about the crowd over there unlike in America where

spk_0 when something happens everybody acts like it's the end of the world and you come out of the ring

spk_0 and no one will even look at you because I think you're like devastated it was the most beautiful

spk_0 thing I got choked up to this day thinking about it because I helped him and like it's okay buddy

spk_0 and the judge comes over and she goes what can I do to help you make this better should we do this

spk_0 again what do you want to do wow and the crowd like clapped when I tell you how many people came up to

spk_0 me afterwards and were like you helped him you didn't get mad that was so lovely like they

spk_0 were so nice about it I'll never forget that it was really lovely and like everybody clapped when

spk_0 that happened and I helped him yeah because they like kind of understood yeah you know what happened

spk_0 and what was going on that's sweet that's yeah and he was an awesome dog I was fortunate to see you guys

spk_0 that was the first time I met you haven't met you since then but hopefully again in the future but

spk_0 yeah we were on Long Beach and I was competing with one of my dogs and tight you were there with

spk_0 Tyler and you know and that was when they had I don't know what it was I can't remember

spk_0 sudden death or something but he was out round knockout yeah and it was just packed you know and

spk_0 it was just like he was amazing they'd you ended up winning that national and and a couple of my

spk_0 friends later they're like we were just talking and they're like you know all that's done celebrations

spk_0 done and they're like well you guys you know I was with a friend and they're like do you guys want

spk_0 to pop out for dinner and we're like sure and I was like okay well how about we meet at you know

spk_0 whatever it was out back how about we meet at the outback in you know at seven o'clock and he's like

spk_0 okay I see you there so we get to the restaurant and who's there but Patra do you remember that

spk_0 you were with yeah a couple of friends and it was like oh my god so so super exciting you know

spk_0 that we get to have dinner with you and I get to know you bit and help you celebrate your win

spk_0 and and yeah well I was I was grateful because I was out there by myself I had one person that

spk_0 somebody I mean just people that you know because this was like pre-internet right like pre-watch like

spk_0 yeah I mean internet the way it is now so like I just I want to say was I out with Didi Anderson

spk_0 I can't even remember it was so long though who was out there with but yeah but it was nice because

spk_0 like yeah I wasn't home like I was on the west coast so like I remember with the lady she had like

spk_0 brunette hair sort of so I was with yeah so this it was somebody that used to live I didn't know her

spk_0 but when so this is so crazy she used to live on the east coast and train at the school I started

spk_0 to train at but like she had moved out west so when I was going out there some people here were like

spk_0 I'll introduce you know I'll tell her you're coming so she like was so kind she like met me out

spk_0 there and helped me and like that's it like she didn't know me she didn't know me prior to like me

spk_0 showing up there like it was so crazy yeah yeah pretty sweet pretty nice so sweet so nice of her yeah

spk_0 like and I mean was that the first time that was my first national ever like I had no that dog was just

spk_0 oh yeah no he was the most amazing creature like because I knew nothing that was my first national

spk_0 I'd never even seen one like and you want it and you want it yeah like well because he was a really

spk_0 incredible animal like he made me look good yeah yeah that's when I when we opened this podcast and

spk_0 I talked about my very first goal and that was super special and made me look good you know as a

spk_0 new trainer and novice trainer and novice a trainer even at that point you know in this dog

spk_0 which is so incredible and I did compete you know back then we had the gains events took

spk_0 her to a couple gains events and we had multi run-offs and different placements and you know it

spk_0 was it was intimidating too because you know like Terry Arnold was there and Andrew and

spk_0 Vaughn was there and all these big-time trainers you know and and and I remember

spk_0 just words that you know I'll never forget was Terry Arnold came up and she said I watched

spk_0 her round and you two just danced together you know so it's nice to share comments with novice

spk_0 people because you know I might be I mean number of patrons said this to me it is so yeah

spk_0 number forever 35 yeah it is important to be yeah encourage novice people all the time to be

spk_0 encouraging and to be kind and yeah and supportive and you know say something nice to people

spk_0 when they get out of the ring even no matter how it went right like yeah people just get too caught

spk_0 up in the results sometimes yeah yeah yeah and I think they forget too like we've all been there

spk_0 we've all struggled we it has always been you know like we talked about it has never been easy

spk_0 there's challenges in the way you know because that happens a lot you know people will say you know

spk_0 like oh well you're just gonna win anyway that's not true no no that's a thing that everybody knows

spk_0 is that you know we do or should know you know we have struggles too like our dogs do and Q and

spk_0 they make mistakes and you know all that happens they don't go out and you know bang every trial

spk_0 off like you know so so then it's just like okay how am I gonna problem solve that you know and

spk_0 and then you go back to work yeah and I think that's part of it right like I feel like if it was

spk_0 really so easy and they just did like when every time and it was easy like I would be bored by now

spk_0 I'd be doing something else like I know myself like 300% I'd be like all right like I need

spk_0 another child but they don't qualify all the time and there are always challenges and like we

spk_0 spoke about earlier like every dog is completely different right you know Zena and Zesty are

spk_0 polar opposites I have to handle them polar opposite not just in training but in a trial

spk_0 it's like the craziest thing ever it's like I have to be completely one way with her

spk_0 and the polar opposite with him you know and the fact that it is challenging and same like my dog

spk_0 has a problem you know even if my dog qualifies but I don't like the way they worked or something

spk_0 bothered me about it I'm in the car driving home and I'm already like going into the tent

spk_0 yeah okay why did that happen right can I fix that all the way home yeah yeah but I think that's

spk_0 the part where people instead of looking at it like okay so this is the challenge like this is

spk_0 this is the whole challenge of dog training is this happens and now we're gonna figure it out

spk_0 they just kind of throw their hands up in the air like oh god you know end of the world

spk_0 blah blah blah and I'm like just it's just dog training just figure it out right yeah so Janice who

spk_0 do you have currently like who are you currently training and trialing your dogs I have seven

spk_0 and he is CKC AACC OCHDog and he is a golden retriever he is six years old and and John is running

spk_0 him in just start running him and field trials and training him and that regards he has master hunter

spk_0 and stuff I've done with him so I got him and then I have catch who has you know he's some physical

spk_0 limitations so I'm just hoping that they don't bother him throughout his career he had some biceps

spk_0 injuries when he was younger and he has underlying mild elbow dysplasia so he's a little I teach him

spk_0 like he's a little fragile but you know he's my sort of middle child you know where I have to solve

spk_0 all my problems all his problems and he's you know talked about him earlier in the segment

spk_0 yeah yeah but I'm hoping that he will you know stay stay sound and that we can have you know get

spk_0 out there and get trialing he's got his novice career or his novice title I put up a video of him

spk_0 yeah he look great oh he's so cute he's so cute oh my gosh he was so bouncy I loved it yeah and we

spk_0 were you know it was a little early I could have waited longer but you know that's if that if he

spk_0 will carry that kind of attitude going forward that's all that matters yeah that to me I don't care

spk_0 if you know like I know I was getting hit on you know certain things just because they were you know

spk_0 to me they were super cute right right right maybe you shouldn't you know but that's you know he's

spk_0 young you know he's just a young dog and he's having fun yeah and you want to foster that you want

spk_0 to foster that so that later you know it's going to get harder and you know yeah and it will for him

spk_0 you know right so I was really really happy with that and and I don't novice isn't my favorite class

spk_0 just because there's so much healing in it and when I'm you know I like to title in both countries

spk_0 so I've got you know at least three rounds AKC three rounds CKC so now we've got at least six or

spk_0 seven under our belt and you know a lot of healing continuously it's like okay let's get into

spk_0 something more exciting right dumbbell throw or something so I'm just glad that's done with and now I

spk_0 can focus on just you know building him up and getting him into the higher classes and then I have

spk_0 time she's my labrador female she is a year old and she's super super cute I like her a lot she

spk_0 has a tiny taut like she's she's very small yeah I don't know if I've seen any other female so

spk_0 like but she's you know she's mighty she's a real what she makes up in size you know she's

spk_0 she's like my little pocket rocket and it's so fun she's so much fun switching going from a golden

spk_0 to the labrador there's you know been around labrador's for so many years you know and there's

spk_0 certain labrador traits and it's like there they are she's like yeah yeah and I can put it and it

spk_0 just very she's very different you know and she's really she's highly business oriented it's like

spk_0 you can give her the treat or you can have a play but then she's like come on next exercise come on

spk_0 let's go let's go let's go she's always pushing me to to keep going and it's like well don't you

spk_0 need a bit of a break don't you need to play don't you need to do you know and she's like let's go

spk_0 it's really fun she out of she is from a I was we were supposed to be getting a golden and I was

spk_0 second on the list for a male and she only had one male and in the meantime gal had

spk_0 Holly built and had sent me a pedigree of this labrador breeding that she had done and you know

spk_0 should I know anybody interest in life like well I'm not interested because we're getting a golden

spk_0 you know and then when we didn't get a golden I came knocking on her door and and and she had

spk_0 10 puppies I believe and so she used 11-year-old sperm from this field trial dog and a US

spk_0 A.K.C. field trial dog and and it took you know she was because she had used it she had another

spk_0 vile and she used it prior to and it didn't take and this one did take and and it was you know

spk_0 in Alberta so we're in British Columbia so it was like and you know we're going for field trials

spk_0 there right at that same time when she was seven weeks old so we got to go test the litter and

spk_0 pick the puppy and you know all that was was really nice to be able to do and yeah she's she's

spk_0 really cute I'm quite enjoying her and she's really showing lots of promise in the field

spk_0 although she's nice like she's very tiny you see these big males out there and you know

spk_0 yeah I mean it might affect her at some point that she can't see over certain cover or you know

spk_0 whatever but she's all heart and she just powers through whatever you you put in front of her

spk_0 that's three that's three and that's plenty yeah right because you're training them all full

spk_0 time it's a lot it is it is yeah there's only so much Jan has to go around so

spk_0 well because you still have your school too right yeah I'm really super busy with my business

spk_0 so we built the business from you know dog training facility and kennel from the ground up and that

spk_0 was in 1998 so a number of years ago and you know in the beginning it was like I was having to run

spk_0 the business and build the business and and now it's come down to where the business is kind of

spk_0 running me so it's every every time I go away or whatever it's always comes with me and

spk_0 though it's like a 24-7 sort of thing and just a lot of other stuff that I do so yeah it's just

spk_0 it's it's good though I think if I wasn't dizzy I'd be finding things to make myself dizzy so

spk_0 it's right right right right my personality it's sort of who I am yeah you like to do stuff be on the

spk_0 go and Lori and I talk about that all the time we're like always like running around like complete

spk_0 nuts but it's like by choice to certain extent and it's like if I don't have enough to do I I always

spk_0 tell people people are like yeah right I'm like I swear to God if I wasn't really busy I would just

spk_0 weigh like 500 pounds and sit on the couch and watch TV right right I need a lot so that I'm like

spk_0 okay gotta go gotta go gotta go yeah yeah so I can't be lazy I know no I know and that's the thing

spk_0 you know I hear as as our friends get older and and stuff is like oh this this will be my last dog

spk_0 you know and then that was like the last dog ago and you know you know you're getting another one

spk_0 and it's like you know it's even if you don't go to the same extent that you were doing before you

spk_0 know they get you they get you out in the morning you know first thing a morning last thing

spk_0 and I in between you know so I think from that respect you know I think I would always want to have

spk_0 you know a dog in my life for sure yeah same well and like it gives people mental stimulation

spk_0 like training because you have to think and you have to be on the ball and it gives them a

spk_0 a social outlet right and it keeps you driving and it keeps you physically like you have to

spk_0 plop up your stuff you have to unpack your stuff you have to walk the dog so like yeah even if I didn't

spk_0 do it to this level which at some point I won't obviously but you know I would still be doing

spk_0 something with my dogs I mean you know it's the same it's a funny thing you said about

spk_0 cutting back right so last year I got a truck I'm like I'm gonna get this the one that's a

spk_0 little bit smaller because I'm only you know then zeal's gonna go that I told you the whole dog

spk_0 start well guess what I'm buying get picking up tomorrow afternoon my bigger truck because I need

spk_0 got one yeah because you know zeal's like needs a bigger crate and I'm getting a puppy I'm going

spk_0 to all these trials and I have to pack all this stuff and I have to put the dogs in the car and so

spk_0 I'm like yeah I so so much for I was like oh yeah I'm gonna be cutting back yeah maybe someday but not

spk_0 yet not yet not yet yeah yeah that's what I keep not yet not ready yet we're still trucking along

spk_0 that's right and it's fulfilling it fulfills us you know yeah we love it so thank any final

spk_0 word Janice we've been taken we took up so much of your time we appreciate it so yeah thank you so

spk_0 that was fun I know I'm thinking to myself you know we should just like have a night once in a while

spk_0 and and we have also wine totally you know we love to talk to dogs you know because that's what it

spk_0 felt like anyways just you know good good chat with the girls yep that's our goal yeah thank you

spk_0 so my it was a lot of fun yeah hope I have I'm hoping you're in person one day like yes my goal

spk_0 let's see if we can make that work thank you for spreading the word thank you for being so

spk_0 generous and putting so much information out there yeah Janice and just spreading the word about

spk_0 you know that you can train and have fun that it should be fun that the dog should be having fun

spk_0 and that it is possible to do that and it's possible to do it at a high level yeah um yeah it is

spk_0 we appreciate that so

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