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Ep.445 How Much Gear Is Too Much?
In this episode of Ron Spomer Outdoors, we dive into the debate of how much hunting gear is truly necessary. Join Ron as he discusses the balance between essential equipment and the overwhelming choic...
Ep.445 How Much Gear Is Too Much?
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Time to ring in another Ron Spomer Outdoors podcast.
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Hey everybody, thanks for joining us. Gosh, deer season is just a few weeks away and that
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reminds me you need a honey knife. You need a deer hunting knife, and this little guy is one.
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It might not look like it. It's a knives of Alaska, little folding pocket knife. It's called
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the Feather Weight Hunter, and I like feather weight. Why have a bunch of extra weight pulling your
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jeans down while you're out there wandering the fields? Yeah, ultimately I like a sheath knife,
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a hunting knife, belongs on your hip, on a sheath. I've got plenty of those and I love them,
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but I also like these little folders. They're a small, easy to use little blade. You can work
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such fine detail with that little blade. It's got a little jimping on the back for your finger,
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so you don't slip off, and you've just got great control with a small knife like this,
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but when it's open, it is locked, and that knife blade is not going to close on you. So synthetic
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handle, see right through it, lightweight. That's why I love it. Heck, I usually keep one in my pocket
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Say, guys, I rang the bell to start this show because recently we had someone buy a
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bell on our website, Ron Spomber Outdoors.com. He had picked the bell out already sold. We
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have forgotten to take it down and market his sold, but the man who makes these bells, Doug Adams,
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who is our neighbor and one heck of a fine gentleman. He called up this guy who bought one
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and told him, I'm sorry, but that particular model is gone, but I'll make you a custom, if you like.
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Well, of course, he would like. Not only did Doug make him a one-of-a-kind custom, but that gentleman
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looking for something special like that, just look into Doug Adams, the bell maker. He's got a
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website. I think if you look under Doug Adams and the bells, you'll find him. And otherwise,
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you can go to Ron Spomber Outdoors, look on our website for some of those bells. If it says sold out,
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just contact us anyway and ask us if you can't get a hold of Doug and get yourself a custom.
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Now, we're getting all kinds of wonderful comments and corrections from our friends across
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the spectrum, whether it comes from YouTube or Facebook or Ron Spomber Outdoors website, some of our
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videos. It's just always great to hear from you guys. You keep things lively around here. We
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especially want to thank our patrons, of course. Those guys come up with some crazy ideas and we
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have some wonderful times, especially at our monthly meetups. We've got another one coming up here
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in a few days. It'll be over with before you hear this broadcast. But once a month, we meet with our
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Tier 3 and higher patrons. And we just have a great discussion about all kinds of things pertaining to
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hunting, how to go about it, where to go, when to go, cartridges to use, good bullets. We've tested
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in the past and we all share our adventures. It is like sitting around a campfire.
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Now, I want to talk about what Edward Howard 4708 had to comment on. And it is the video we did
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comparing the 22 Creedmoor, a new 22 cartridge against all the other centerfire 22s. And some people
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really enjoyed this and other ones like what's the point who uses a 22 for anything. We'll get in
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a little bit more of that, but let's just see what Edward has to say. Hey, terrific video, Ron.
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There you go. Somebody liked it. There is a broader ray of factory cartridges, but not always exactly
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what one might want. We're fortunate to have such a robust firearms industry that supports
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wildcading. I have a dream to shorten the 6 millimeter BR to fit a Hawa mini action. That way,
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I'll get a smidge more powder capacity than a 6 millimeter ARC in the same overall length cartridge.
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Your video inspired this idea to neck down a 30 RAR to 6.5 or possibly a 257 and create something
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with a bit more heft that would again fit in a midi action. I suppose in both cases,
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obtaining brass would be a difficult part. I might have to settle for say the 6 millimeter max
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or the 6 millimeter ARC or even the 24 varmature, but I still consider myself fortunate to have
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alternatives to the 243 Winchester. Now the 25 WSSM is more spice than I want, but it's still a
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neat idea. You might neck that up to 270 and that might be a good ultra short replacement for
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the old 270 Winchester. Well, there you go, guys. I mostly hear from you about how we have too many
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cartridges, too many options, and it's all redundant. And then we come up with someone like Edward
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who still wants to create a wildcat. There's not too many 22 cartridges. Seems guided crazy,
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but this is the world we live in, guys. Some of us like new things, some of us like to say backyard
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mechanic and redesign slightly just for that little bit of perfection we want. I can understand
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what he's coming, coming at here with his Hala mini action. It's a super short little action,
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bolt action. Wonderful accurate. I've tried one in several chamberings and they really are sweet.
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And if you want something like that with just the right cartridge pushing just the right weight
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bullet and all the rest, you can still wildcat those and design your own. So still alive and well
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despite all the factory cartridges we now have. Now here is another take on that same subject. 22
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rights in and says hearing the 222 Remington that immediately made me think of my mom. She had a small
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rifle that she just loved most of her life. She had saved and bought that rifle to ward off coyotes
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and she sure loved that thing. Well I have no idea what happened to that rifle. I saw it in the
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closet for most of my life. Yeah, I hear you on that one. Most of us say I missed the rifle that I
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sold once. We don't usually say I missed the rifle my mom had but that would be an extra special
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treat to have the rifle that was around when you were a boy on the farm and your mom used it. I
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spoke with a gentleman once in Africa who told me a story of when he was five or six. He remembered
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his mother opened the door, stuck the rifle out and shot a lion in the front yard killing one of
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their goats. That takes it to a whole new level. So yeah, guys are generally complaining that they wish
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they had never sold that rifle. Whatever it was. One of theirs, one of their dads, one of their
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grandpa's but one were younger and finances are tight and we get starry eyed for that new rifle that's
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on being advertised and we sell our old one to get it and then years later we realize the old one
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was probably the better deal all along a little too late. So if you can, guys, hang on to those old
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rifles if they shoot well for you or you've taken your first deer with it or something special,
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that rifle will grow and become a family heirloom if you can hang on to it at all. Now here is the
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gentleman James who is complaining about too many 22 cartridges. He says personally, I have no use
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for any of them. What can they do that the almost antique 270 cannot? Well, it depends on your
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perspective. I wrote back to James and I said, hey, if it works for you, James, you don't stick with
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that 270, but I can tell you what the 22's do that the 270 doesn't. One, there's less recoil.
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Two, they cost slightly less per shot. In three, most of them will shoot flatter and leave less
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pelt damage. And that's what mostly the 22's are used for, I think, is hunting coyotes and foxes
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and bobcats and stuff if not just varmits like rock chucks and marmits. But the little 22 bullet will
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preserve your pelt and your little hole going in and then the bullet explodes inside and you've got a
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beautiful pelt that you can make to use jackets and clothing and wall hangings, whatever else you'd need.
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So that's kind of why they're out there. Now there's a 3030, a standard deer hunting cartridge.
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Everybody loves it, but I like to poke the bear now and then. So I did a piece on the 3030 being a
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joke. I can't remember if this was a video or a blog or both, but at any rate, it's done quite a
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few years ago and I heard from Brian who had just seen it and he is telling us about the 3030
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and what his opinion is and this one is kind of a long one, but I remember it's kind of funny.
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Let's see what Brian has to say. He says, if you create something perfect, tomorrow morning,
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somebody will create something that's better. Usually it's a gun maker. Well, oh no, 3030, that's
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not good enough. You've got to have a 270. Oh well, the 270, that's no longer any good. You've got
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to have a 6.5 creed more. Tomorrow, somebody will say, 6.5 creed more is the thing in the past.
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You need a 301 Remington sub mag with its new blender blade boat-tailed bullet with a patented
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tungsten plunger expansion receptacle. Tell you, you're going to get kind of funny.
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You don't need patented scent blocking technology clothes. You don't need a replaceable blade knife,
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cover scent spray laundry detergent hand soap, assault block learned expensive feeder, 800 pounds
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of corn, a ladder stand, a climbing stand, special gloves camel face mask, camo sold boots.
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Rechargeable hand warmers, black lights, thermal carcass finders, electronic collars, fake
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antlers, or any combination of $2,500 or the junk that they tricked you into buying.
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What you do need is a Winchester or a Marlin 3030 or something like that, a knife, a warm plaid coat,
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and a whole bunch of sit still and shut up. A little woodsmanship skill from being in the woods
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and a place to hunt where there are some deer that other hunters haven't driven into a frenzied
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fear, that's all you need to be a successful deer hunter. Quit letting the manufacturers say what
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you need and let experience make you into a whizman who can kill deer with a 36 caliber muzzle
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loader like Davy Grocket did regularly or a homemade bow on a flint arrow. I failed to understand why
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people think they need an Olympic match grade precision rifle and all that other junk when Daniel
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Boone got his deer while wearing buskins and he's used some of the worst equipment in the history
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of firearms. I could understand it for pronghorn across New Mexico, planes maybe are, but even jackal
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conner then used the 270 and but this guy apostle talked about Winchester 94 being everywhere in
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Arizona back in those days so that must work too. I guess if your real goal is to have a giant
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collection of hunting gear that you got suckered into believing you need, well then go ahead and
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collect your collection. If you need a national match rifle with Lake City Match ammo to kill a
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deer at 25 yards don't let me break your heart. But if you do use that match grade rifle to shoot a
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white tail at 875 yards over corn you are a great shot but not necessarily a great hunter or woodsman.
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Mr. Ron, I respect the hobby of marksmanship in the study of interior and exterior
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ballistics and animal wound studies but the introduction of that hobby has blurred the woodsman
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ship into something completely different than what is a true woodsman. The only way to properly
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test the performance of a cartridge is to lug it into the woods five miles and shoot a deer with it
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and see what happens. Usually with a 3030 the deer slams to the ground and dies.
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Just because I know you love bullets I will say this I use a Remington Core Lock 150 grain hollow
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point or the Winchester Super X 150 grain jacket at hollow point. I have never tried any of the
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expensive Hornady lever revolutions or the hog hammers or the deer, super 80 super X's and I don't
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know I've taken with my Model 94 using Core Locks or Super X bullets while I usually get my
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deer dead with the in two feet where I first shot them. I was using 170 grain for a while but I
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realized I didn't need it and the impact was 6 inches lower 100 yards so I just packed 150 for
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everything so so there you go we go from one gentleman who wants to make a tweak of a wildcat
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cartridge just to be happy and then the next guy just wants a 3030 and he's happy there's room
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out there for all of us so whether you are the gear collecting type or you like to keep things
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simple I think all of us do need to concentrate a little bit more on being good wisdom naturalists
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understanding the outdoors and what makes it all tick. I mean after all I think that's why we go
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out there I don't know about you but for me it's the the draw of the deer in the wild the feeling
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that I get when I dream about where I'm going deer hunting you know I don't just dream about a big
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antler's I dream about the mountain the forest the snow on the pine boughs the the smell of cotton
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wood leaves rotting on the ground and the smell of wood smoke back a camp and all of those memories
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come flooding back when I think about deer hunting and the gear doesn't really matter all that much
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yeah I like to play around with ballistics and loading and getting the perfect bullet and all the
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rest of it but once that's done I think that's just kind of part of the anticipation for the hunt
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and then it's getting out there and being that woodsman and seeing the sign and smoking hot droppings
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and tracks melting in the fresh snow and in the smell of a deer wafting in the breeze and all that
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stuff man that's what makes it so special guys so yeah concentrate on being a woodsman add it
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into whatever else you're doing and that'll make for the better hunt now Roger good win 5533
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has something to say let's see what it's got uh oh he's not too uh pleased with fishing game
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agencies and getting licenses he says it makes no difference if applying for a special permit
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for 17 years and never getting drawn it's a scam yeah yeah Roger welcome to the club I think a
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lot of us are feeling that these days you put in for these preference points and you think oh boy
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I'm gonna have so many preference points they're gonna draw me out for the best unit with the
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biggest box and I'm gonna have the hunt of a lifetime and you start putting in for those and then
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about five years later you see if you can't get that tag now and turns out a million other guys put
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in for the same thing and they're in the same place and there's only 50 tags available do the math
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you're not gonna get it I don't know it's just this preference point game that they started just
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doesn't seem to work anymore there's too many hunters trying for too few tags and permits so I don't
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know what the solution is I think you're just going to have to go back to throwing all the names in
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the hopper and just hope you get lucky it's kind of like winning the lottery anymore your chances
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of drawing a tag gosh years ago when this all kind of got started I'm thinking way back into the
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the mid to later 1980s I had moved into Idaho one was I'm trying to put in for the those rare tags
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and at the time of course it was big horned sheep I guess it still is probably worse than ever
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and already it had a reputation of being a hard tag to draw so I went to the local fishing
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game agency and I said look I just want to hunt a sheep what unit has the best success rates for
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drawing a tag and they said well this one right in the heart of the wilderness it's hard to get to
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the sheep in there aren't very big it's not real productive range it's all granite
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but there's not too many people who put in for that tag so your chances are about one in five well
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good enough for me put in it drew the tag just like that today I have no idea what the odds are but
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maybe it's more like a hundred to one or eight hundred to one it got crazy so it's kind of a
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up and down the in and yay you know we want more hunters we want more people interested in hunting
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because we need the political clout to defend ourselves against all the anti-hutters you keep trying
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to pass all this crazy legislation outlawing hunting so we need a lot of good support and fans
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but then when we bring new hunters in there's fewer tags to go around kind of a thing so
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I don't know what the solution is guys now Brian Brian Titus 6634 what do you have to say well
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designed in 1922 from every bit of information I can find the 35 whale in wasn't standardized
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until 87 1987 surely there were many custom rifles chamber fort and it was fairly common wildcat
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cartridge but it wouldn't fit your profile in this video oh I know he's talking about
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Tate and I did a show in which Tate asked me hey Ron pick one cartridge to use for your ideal mousse hunt
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but the cartridge has to have been made as available as the factory cartridge prior to 1950
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so it was kind of fun you had to think back now what cartridges were around so you had the 30 at
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6 into 270 and the 300 H and H and 257 robberts and there were a lot of them but point not as many
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as there are now so I kind of had to scratch my head and think and one of them that I came up with
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was the 35 Whalent well turns out the 35 Whalent as this gentleman just said did not become a factory
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cartridge until 1987 but it was created in 1922 so I missed that one guys and several of you
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commented on that video and told me how I screwed up and that's great that's what we want we want
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you guys checking up on me so that I can provide correct information there's a lot of people who
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just for whatever goofy reason the same reason I have I guess we kind of dote on all these little
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arcane faxing figures wrapped around cartridges and rifles and what we all do I don't know why it's
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kind of like a football player or a baseball player who has the stats on everybody who's ever picked
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one up and thrown it professionally well I've got the stats on guns and ammo and cartridges and
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bullets and one they were made and who made them and all that fun stuff and I think a lot of you
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probably know more about that even than I do so keep me on the straight and narrow here guys keep
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me on the toes and let me know when I screw up the 35 Whalent didn't come out as a commercial
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cartridge until 1987 so now that you know that what would you have picked oh going back to that I
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think it was for the moose you're first thing that popped into my head with them a 338 wind mag
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for the moose but that was 1958 I think when that came out so that wasn't going to fly so then
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I thought of that 35 now I'm thinking in that era it would have been a 348 wind shuster that was a
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rimmed lever action cartridge available only in a lever action wind shuster rifle the model 71 so
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that would have been a fun one that's probably what I would have taken or the 300 h and h I guess
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weren't just really a lot of big powerful big boars back in those days of course knowing what I
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know about moose 30 out six with suffice but when you've got a show saying pick your favorite
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cartridge for this animal animal you can't pick the 30 out six every time yeah you can
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yeah and a lot of people would the most versatile cartridge in the world well it isn't but
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close enough now do we have a few things here from Betsy hmm sure we do
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oh be darn oh before we jump there I do need to mention my books here for you guys seven millimeter
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book if you guys are still scratching your head over which cartridge should I get whether it's a
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factory loaded or not seven millimeters are I think a great all around compromise the 30s are
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maybe a little more popular with folks but every do she recoil a little bit shoot a little flatter
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find a lighter weight bullet that has a higher BC the seven is usually beat out the 30s
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and they seem to deliver just as much terminal performance as the 30s do I just struck me as that's
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the perfect compromise but there are a lot to choose from something like 62 different seven millimeter
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cartridge is covered in this book and if you want to get into predator hunting we've got my old
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predator hunting book just a lot of folks still like to pick that up and learn the ins and outs of
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how to call predators and how to hunt them I've got a lot of information in there about different
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cartridges and bullets and how they all work plus how to call different animals how to hunt them and
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bring them in it's not the most common thing for most folks to understand how to hunt predators so
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I've been doing it for a long long time and I put it all in that book so you might want to check that out
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now Betsy has put together a whole bunch of comments these coming from the website Bets yes
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okay we have got somebody from Sweden here a Swedish gentleman named Goran or there's an umlaut it
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looks like over the oh so Garen I'm gonna go with Garen Garen we're gonna hear from you what do you
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think here first Ron thank you for a really good show well you're more than welcome sir thank you
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for watching it all the way from Sweden I really enjoy your discussions regarding different topics
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and that you most often have a very open mind regarding things so my question well maybe it's more
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like asking for your thoughts regarding this topic and this topic is due to hunting distances very
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often you and others talk about distances out to six even 700 yards sometimes even farther and yes
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you might say that it's not for everyone but it does seem to me that you all yes now I'm
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generalizing a lot I know but you Americans seem to have no worries with shooting animals at four
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to five hundred yards well not all of us I consider myself to be a decent shooter with competing at
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300 meters and also field target shooting out to 600 meters but I must say that shooting at those
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distances is a way of for me I don't quite understand that I know I can hit a target at that range
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absolutely but boy it takes that small miss from me or a tiny movement from the animal to get some
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cut catastrophically bad results ending up with a wounded animal at the worst well I might stretch
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myself with a shot up to 300 yards on game under perfect conditions on a moose sized animal
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but that is a very good day and with a perfect conditions and a setup and big target but for
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smaller animals and stalking when I'm hunting I would say that a 200 yards shot is stretching it
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for me and it all comes down to all the variables that matter at long range especially to the movement
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of the animal that really cuts some margins for a good shot also those angles to the animal up
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pulling down only your shot placement so is this common in the US to really be hunting at longer
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ranges to shoot game at long range we can all do a bad shot no matter what the distance but do
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you think people in general trying to reach longer ranges make more bad shots or is it not
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representative that you see on the internet and read about all those who do those long range shots
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are we training for that much more do you really shoot that way over there looking forward to your
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thoughts best regards garen well you know we debate the same things here but it is true that in
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the western states especially we can shoot long range you've got the big mountains and the open
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habitat and you can often see game far far far away and one of the arguments the longer range
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shooters make is that generally when game is beyond 400 yards it likely doesn't know you are around
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so it's very calm you can assess it you can look it over choose the right animal and set up because
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you have time you can set up for a very careful shot but I do agree also that too many new hunters
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are inexperienced hunters hear about these long shots and the cartridges and rifles and bullets
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and scopes and all these gear head things that make it work and assume that they can make these shots
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and they'll probably practice off of a bench or a good solid bipod support prone and do pretty
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well on targets and then they think well it's going to be the same thing in the field and then they
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realize it's cold they don't have the perfect position and they take a fairly shaky stand when they
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make their shot and they don't calculate the wind ride and all the things that you mentioned can go
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wrong and that's why we on our channel here do not advocate this long range shooting long range hunting
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yes of course because we're looking for game way out there I'll sometimes see it for five even
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sometimes eight miles away that's long range hunting but then I get closer even when I see them
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600 yards away I get closer I get as close as I can I generally like to stay inside of 400 yards
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and more often I'm taking my shots at 300 yards or less simply because what you said I understand
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these potentials will screw up plus I just like to stalk closer because there's less chance that
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I am going to screw it up I want to get my animal and I want to do it right and I would just advocate
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for that for everyone don't be dare I say it lazy and just set up for a long shot just because you
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think you have the gear and you think it can make it and that said I will also note that there are
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good train shooters who probably make better shots at 600 yards than some guys do at a 50 or a 100
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and that's another valid argument is that some people who get really close to game get so
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flustered by that proximity that they get buck fever really bad and they miss broadside standing
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dead to the rights broadside shots at 50 yards it's happened throughout history and it'll
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continue to happen you just cannot control buck fever all the time so there's a lot to be said
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for both sides but in general yes I don't think we should be taking or trying to make these long
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long long range shots so thanks for weighing in on that Garren and thanks for for being a hunter
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and supporting hunting over there in Sweden all right now we're going to hear from Brent in Australia
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while we're getting around the world here from Sweden all the way down to Australia we're talking
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along reach Brent says hi Ron what cartridge would you recommend for shooting pigs that have been
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bailed by my dog I think by bail he means cornered so my young pop he's a little bit timid at the
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moment and I don't want to shoot anything too loud to make a gunshot so the mighty 22 long range
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no the mighty 22 long rifle cost me a good bore today oh he must have made a bad shot or
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there didn't work or something so anyway I'm looking for something else something with a little
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more punch what do you think okay something to finish off a pig that your dog is cornered
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and you're probably real close to it you just need to have a good bullet that's just going to reach
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the brain finish that pig without endangering your dog or hits hearing or you're hearing and yeah
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I would think the 22 long rifle would be great put right there in the ear right but if you're looking
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for something a little more oomph and not too much more muzzle blast and all I think you're
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or 22 Hornet probably the best yeah get that with a fairly stiff bullet you know a good
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solider bullet not some vermin bullet so it'll stay together on that thick skull and it shouldn't
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have that much more noise another option if you can't find a hornet would be a 218B not a lot of
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those around 222 Remington that's one of the smaller ones and you could load it down if
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you're hand loading but even at full power it's not all that loud so yeah I think that 22 Hornet
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would be the one I would pick so good luck with that I know Australia has a feral pig problem
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as bad as the southeast US I was over there one time and I think I shot nine feral pigs in two days
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and I could have shot a lot more but I was letting my friends have some chump shots out of two so
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all together we must have been up in the well up in the double digits few dozen so they can really
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ruin a lot of habitat over there the same is over here all right now we're going to come back to
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the states and go to Missouri to show me state where Zach wants me to show him something let's find out
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what it is hey Ron I love listening to your show and to contradict others I think that you used to
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keep me awake on long commutes every morning yeah a lot of folks say that they use me to stay awake
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but then a lot of people say they use me to fall asleep too so I'm not sure it seemed like I'm an
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equal opportunity sleeper and any rate does that continues I shoot quite a bit about a thousand
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rounds a week for work and mostly sculpt rifles I wonder what kind of a job you've got some a lot
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of people would like that one I have a browning ex-bolt in seven millimeter PRC I'm having a little
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trouble with it I believe it has to do with parallax on the loop hold four to five by fourteen by
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fifty scope that I've mounted I get fairly consistent groups of point eight to one MOA but there's a
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POI shift point of impact shift side to side I really like to scope but it has a noticeable shift
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in the radical as you adjust your head on the stock parallax is the scene I wish I had the money
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to buy a VX-5 with a side parallax adjustment but money is real I tried to put a mystery wrench strap
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on riser on the comb but it didn't fit very well my question is do you think I should keep searching
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for something to get my cheek a little more consistently welded on the comb to line it up with
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the scope or do you have some advice on getting your head lined up exactly every time some other way
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thanks for your advice Zach yeah Zach having a scope with parallax adjustment is the great way to do
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it but they're more expensive and if you've got what you've got the cheaper choice is what you're
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doing try to get the comb just right for your head shape and position guys what you what he's trying
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to do here what we should all be trying to do of course is to get our eye perfectly in line with
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the center of the scope so that when you are seeing the radical in the target they are both in
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the same place regardless of the parallax issue now parallax you haven't figured it out yet is the
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apparent movement of the target in relation to the site and you can best see this for yourself
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with your fingers just put them out in front of you have one finger close to your eyes like this
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just about six eight inches away and the other one out there quite a bit farther and focus on one
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out front and the one closest out of focus focus on the one close and that's one's way out of focus
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right now think about a scope and what it does essentially it's got target out front here
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and it focuses that inside the scope onto the radical the cross hairs but it can only do that at one
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distance so a scope manufacturer will usually set that at a hundred yards or 150 yards just because
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that's kind of a common all around deer hunting distance to have that perfect focus on the radical
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and for general deer hunting at 4x6x powered scopes it's not an issue you might have a little bit
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of parallax in that scope for a hundred yards shot where if 75 yards shot which means you could
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be off by any interest though but on a deer big deal and if it's farther out same thing on a deer
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doesn't amount to all that much so the trick is if you keep your eye perfectly in line with these two
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you're not going to get this shift in parallax so now let's go to what parallax is once again do this
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focusing with your fingers one far out and one close and close one eye line them both up now close
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that eye open the other one and you will notice that there is a big gap between your fingers
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you are looking with one eye to get them lined up well your other eyes off to the side so
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you're seeing a different picture now the way to look at it is the old speedometers on cars
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had the scale 10 miles 20 miles 40 miles an hour kind of a thing and a needle in front of it and
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that needle would move across it as you increase your speed for the driver right behind it they were
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in line so if it said 40 miles an hour you're going 40 but over here in the rider's seat if they
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looked at that they saw the needle covering maybe the 30 mile an hour marker so there's parallax
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issue if those two were both together on the same chart right there then you wouldn't see that
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because they're on the same focus plane that's what we're talking about with a scope you focus the
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image on to the reticle now something else you need to do with your scopes guys the first thing you
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need to do is adjust the diopter to focus the reticle the crosshairs for your eyes everybody's
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eyes may be a little bit different so if you need to turn that to get the reticle sharp that's the
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first thing you do then you adjust your parallax if you have it if you don't do it in that way you
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can really get things screwed up a little bit but again standard scopes are set up for 150 yards
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parallax free so if you want to make darn sure you're lined up like the driver behind that speed
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ometer instead of the rider off to the side you've got to keep your head and your eye directly
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behind that scope not a little bit off to one side or the other and that's what this gentleman
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is talking about so how do you fix that he's on the right track cheek risers your comb is a little
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bit low you have to raise your head up and then you're shifting over to the side to get your jaw
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on there instead of your cheek higher up all that stuff starts to add up you've got to customize the
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shape of that comb and the height of the comb so that when you cheek down on that you get that
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cheek weld that shooters are always talking about that gets your eye perfectly in line with the
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reticle and the target in that scope and then you eliminate parallax even if it's inherently in the scope
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boy that's a lot to explain I hope it made sense to you guys if not right in again and I can go
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go back through it quite a while back we did a show in which I explained parallax and I was
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pretty spot on accurate with a lot of people rode in and say that was the best
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exclamation they had this one wasn't quite that smooth but I think you'll get the idea especially
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with that speedometer thing just think about that all right Zach good luck building that comb up I
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think you can get her done but it's going to take a little bit of work don't hesitate to use some
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tape and different things I use some foam or pieces of leather whatever you need to do a lot of those
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us aftermarket comb risers that you strap on that you're talking about a lot of those you can
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lift up and slide things underneath it to increase the height the straps are long enough to still
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connect play around with that till you get it just right and I think that'll make the difference for
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you all right Jason and you talk good day team team that includes you Betsy thanks for your years
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of edutainment edutainment just a combination of education and entertainment well thank you for
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Jason my comment regards military surplus clothing huh it's been my experience that the garments
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have a UV dye in them that make you very visible to deer and elk I speculate that they include
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this dye for identification of friend or foe we were at a deer camp and my niece had a flashlight
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with a black light option she clicked it on and I was glowing like a funhouse at the fair no wonder
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the elk and deer were running at great distances from us so I took that light to the army navy surplus
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store sure enough everything on the rack glows went take into the fitting room and turned in under
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that black light in the dark so while the digital patterns blend in well for the hunting I do in
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central Utah for turkeys I have to leave them at home for big game because big game can see this UV
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glowy light thing I guess have fun and shoot straight kind regards Jason yeah Jason good point
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quite a few years ago I'm thinking 20 maybe even more there was a big deal about this UV light people
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were discovering it in hunting clothing and what it is is the manufacturers of clothing like to
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brighten them up and make sure shirt brighter the colors are brighter and everything looks fresh and
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clean and new and bright so they put these dyes in there that reflect the ultraviolet light makes
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everything glow we don't really see it that way but apparently deer elk and other ungulates do
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so that can spook them or at least you show up more readily it's not like you're you've got this
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great camel pattern but it's glowing brighter than the rest of this round so you're kind of looking
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white I guess at any rate you might want to watch out for that stuff on your clothing when one
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was the kid getting in the backpack hunting we were buying surplus army clothes but this stuff was
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world war two wool and there were no dye issues in that stuff there were some serious itch issues
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but no dye so these days I think everything is coming out of within the last 20 or 40 years perhaps
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and it probably has some of these dyes in it so you might want to watch out for that now it seems to
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me that see that not too many years ago there was brand gosh what was it somebody was selling
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you see the spray or a soap wash or something that would kill those brighteners in your clothing
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you guys tell me which one that is you probably remember it but if you're concerned about this
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and if you have a bunch of good camouflage clothing that you think is glowing too much look for that
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soap that takes away that dye brightness gosh you can't remember what it was
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but there's something out there all right let's go to Minnesota now where we hear from Robert
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I just wanted to say thanks for the great content on youtube well Robert you are most welcome we
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enjoy doing these shows we hope they're useful for a lot of folks they seem to be but once again we
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ask you to weigh in and tell us what you want to hear and see and do and how we sometimes screw
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things up because we want to give you the straight scoop a few months ago Robert says I decided to
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let go of my A-Bolt 2 Eclipse Browning Rifle in 270 WSM I was getting tired of
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not finding ammo for it sometimes well after watching your video on the Fast Twist 270 Winchester
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I decided to go back to the classics I ended up with an X-Bolt Max long range in 270 Winchester
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with a 1 in 7 and a half twist barrel in a 22 inch barrel there you go was also looking at
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getting a classic Magnum cartridge and I was torn between the 300 Winmag and the 7 Remag in
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your videos on the 7 Remag helped me make my decision I went with the 7 Remag of course I decided
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to get another X-Bolt Max long range but this one with a 1 in 8 twist barrel and a 26 inch
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thanks again for your great content it helped me get back to the classic cartridges with a new twist
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well you're most welcome Robert yeah the new twist is kind of a great idea I and many others
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wonder why these manufacturers don't do more of this the idea of course is that back when they
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designed the 270 and the 30 at 6 and a 7 Remag and everything they made the twist rate to stabilize
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the longest or heaviest bullets of the era although it's mostly spire points with not that too sharp
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of a point and then flat based so they weren't all that long while you come up with these new
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long boat tail sleek C-Canteaux jives with a sharp point and all the rest of it and the bullets get
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pretty turned long and that's why they don't stabilize in traditional twist rate rifles so
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the manufacturers say well we've pretty much set everything up to the old system we'll make new
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cartridges with fast twist and that's why you come up with the PRCs and the 65 Creed more and the
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6.8 Western and all these fast twist modern cartridges but you really don't need those
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if you can get a fast twist barrel for the old ones but then you've got the manufacturers who
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make ammunition they're sticking with the old standards as well so you almost have to be a
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hand-loader to make this work and what Robert is referring to here in our content on YouTube is
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Joseph von Benedict and I took one of these browning ex-bolts in fast twist 270 winchester and in
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addition to being able to stabilize long heavy bullets like 170 to 175 grain in a 270 yeah in
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addition to stabilizing that we were able to increase the velocity because not only did they
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make that rifle with a fast twist barrel but they throated the chamber long so you could use long
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bullets and they put a magazine box in that was full magnum cartridge length 3.6 inches so we were
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able to seat those bullets out way further than your standard 270 winchester does and get velocities
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exceeding the 6.8 Western out of the old 270 winchester well hello you that's the kind of thing
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the old guys have been looking for for years get your old cartridges nothing wrong with it you
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just need to seat that bullet out further and stabilize it and these fast twists will do it so
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Robert what I would like you to do is let me know how these things are shooting for you we got sub
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MOA accuracy out of the one we were testing so let me know if that's working for you and if you
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take any game with it and that what distance is I don't think just because you get one of these you
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should then be going for these extended range shoots the way we talked about earlier but I think
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what it does is it gives you more bullet mass and weight so your 270 sort of steps up into
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magnum territory while still being a 270 you've got a bigger heavier bullet for deeper penetration
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on alken moose and that sort of thing so it's a lot of benefits to that all right now from
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California we have garrison garrison says your recent 30 out six episode got me to send this in
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I'm looking to get my first gun I'm currently looking at a browning BLR light weight in 30 out
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six that is a lever action we tested one about a year ago on 30 out six week and it was the most
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accurate rifle we tested it beat out all the bold actions pretty impressive I'll say garrison
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continues I keep hearing that I should start with something in the 22 long rifle to reduce flinching
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is there an age weight point at which this is not as important I am planning on getting a spring
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field 1903 and a garrand or a garrand eventually so I will be sticking with the 30 out six cartridge
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as a general for future use and the advice is greatly appreciated well good thinking garrison I think
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your friends telling you about that 22 long rifle are probably right you know a new shooter jumping
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right into the 30 out six can induce flinching you know it doesn't have to but it certainly can
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whereas the 22 you can concentrate on form and especially trigger control learning how to
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break that trigger while holding that rifle perfectly steady and really become a good shot
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makes it easier to transition to a louder cartridge with a little more recoil now the 30 out six
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is does not have brutal recoil but it might startle you enough to make you start flinching so I
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say start with a 22 room fire if you can and it's a great training rifle anyway I always say a
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22 room fire is kind of the first rifle that we should all get and keep because it's so versatile for
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use as training well inexpensive shooting target shooting fun shooting plinking small game hunting
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hardly any noise so you can shoot it in areas where there might be a little issue with people
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complaining about loud no bangs going off that sort of thing and then you're going to become just
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one heck of a shot before you move up to that 30 out six now you can take an additional step which
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should be a 223 remitent or something like that there you get the increased muzzle blast and a
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little bit more recoil because you're shooting a center fire cartridge and you can also start
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shooting it at farther distances to get used to what a flat trajectory at distance is but of course
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you can have to buy another rifle but most of us end up with that anyway another good option to be a 243
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that's a great deer hunting cartridge anyway and then move up to your 30 out six now that would help
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you to not develop a flinch but if you have one already anyone who has a flinch you can cure that
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and the way to do that is by having the unloaded surprise car rifle behind your back here's how it
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works you and your buddy are out in a range and your buddy stays behind you it says look at I'm
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gonna load you up and I want you to hit that target and he hands you the rifle and you think it's loaded
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and it goes click except for you think it's loaded so you flinch and he can see you jerk you can
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see you jerk but you just flinch that's why you're missing the target that's why you're not a good shot
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so he keeps doing that and he keeps giving you an empty rifle that you think he has loaded but
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sometime he does load it and it's generally after you stop flinching you go click and click and
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jerk that thing and finally you realize you've got to watch the crosshair stay on target when you go
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click I always tell people you should be able to see where your crosshair is when that gun shoots
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when it goes click and with no cartridge in it you go click you're going to see the crosshair
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move left right up and down or wherever you pulled it if you've got bad trigger form or you're
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closing your eyes and you're punching into the rifle to offset the flinch and all the things we do
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so once you're now breaking cleanly you can say to your buddy oh that was a great shot I didn't move
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the trigger where was the crosshair oh it was right on the bullseye one I broke that trigger perfect
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that's where your shot would have been oh cool so you continue that stuff until you're really good
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and then he slips around in and you think now that he's never going to put one in and it goes
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bang and your bullet lands right where you're aiming and hallelujah you're the hero and you realize
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your shoulders still there you're not black and blue it really didn't recoil all that badly
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and a 30 out six isn't that bad on recoil most people can shoot it routinely no problem you just
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have to get used to it so those are the ways to do it garrison good luck with that I think you'll
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do well with that 22 long rifle as a starter Jeff in Illinois do you ever do safari trips with clients
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you would be a ton of fun to hunt with well you have to ask bet you about that at times at times
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hey I would welcome a hunt with you if you do that you should well I do Jeff we don't actually
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host the hunts in other words I will arrange with an outfit or a pH over in Africa for a hunt
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and say can I bring along six or eight people or whatever you have room for kind of a thing
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and if he says yes I say well let's plan it because I've got six guys who want to go that's as far
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as I'm involved in this thing they're doing all of the contract and taking the money and getting
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everything set up for you I'm just in camp with you so it's really not my gig other than I will
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give you a little advice while we're getting ready to go but generally you're going to get a good
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package from the outfitter he's going to tell you the clothing you should likely wear the temperatures
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you can expect the weather the preferred cartridges that really work well etc etc and then you're
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going to have to book your flights and all bet you and I been over there so many times we could
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book our flights but we just get tired of the hassle and what we do is we go to a booking agency
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that specializes in hunters and this is Gracie Travel we've used several over the years but this
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one is kind of our favorite and they provide someone at the destination airport to help you through
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all the customs and getting your rifle from the police and all this kind of stuff filling out paper
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work ahead of time so they're going to be handling that kind of stuff for you and they can
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generally find you the best flights they will have their thumb on the pulse of what's going on with
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the airlines like right now this year United is just a lot of hassle for for hunters taking rifles
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Delta is better or whatever whatever airlines they can recommend as well as the best pricing and
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all that stuff so you guys do all that and then we'll see you in camp so this year we're going to
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probably be doing a week in South Africa and a week in Namibia sort of back to back so we can take
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two bunches of guys over there we've got a pretty good list of guys who want to go already but nobody's
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absolutely locked in and committed yet but that's about to happen so anyone is interested in hunting
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over there with me in the same camp and I try to hunt one day at least with each person but generally
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you're out hunting in the morning come back for noon and we sit around and tell stories and share
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some fun and then the same thing in the evening around a campfire that's really the fun part
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I'll be there for that so and also Betsy and I will be happy to answer some of your questions once
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you've read all your data from the outfitter and stuff we will make an announcement on our website
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when that happens okay we'll be go to ronsbundmanrounddoors.com we'll be at a big announcement up
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on there somewhere and then those of you who have already written in and asked me about this I've
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got you on a list and we'll be getting back with you here pretty quick too. You see guys if you're
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interested in booking hunts in Africa or anywhere else and this goes back to the question about the
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tags and not being able to draw one there are tag services out there they do the hard work for you
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they put in for the tags for various states so you don't have to go through all that horrible
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data on their website to try to figure out how to apply for a tag and our friend Tate is
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gearing up one of those process-based hunter.com go to his website and he should have already or soon
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have up how you can use his service to book your hunts. Well no his is a tag service. Oh he just
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gets the tags that's right he's not booking hunts Joseph Von Benedict is starting up with another
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gentleman a booking agency essentially what they do is they go to these places and they hunt with
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them to find out which ones they like which ones they trust guys who are doing it right and then
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they take them on and they say we'll find some hunters for you so if you're looking for a hunt in
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Australia or Argentina or Africa wherever you just let Joseph know and he and his partner will
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suggest you might do really well with this particular outfitter put you in touch with him and you
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can figure it all out and then they'll book that hunt for you. I don't think you pay them anything
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at the outfitter pays them a small fee for getting you so it's a nice way to go because you've got a
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trusted source who's a real hunter who understands good operators as opposed to just anybody. All right
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I think that's good information for you guys to mow over. Now we're going to go to California and
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hear from Alex. He says hi Betsy please put this in front of Ron. We know who runs the show. Yeah
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Betsy is the one you guys have to get past first if you'll put it in front of me then I'll see it
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so and then he says hi Ron what happens to a fired and stable bullet after it loses velocity
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does it eventually become unstable and tumble. I'm using stability calculators I'm able to figure out
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that as a bullet loses velocity it becomes less stable. I'm reloading my fondly remembered by Ron
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and maybe for sale if Ron wants it a Mark 7 7 Mark 1 in 270 and we'll see how that Barnes
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LRX bullet drops below the stability threshold at about 225 yards. Does that mean when my bullet drops
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below the stability threshold it tumbles that doesn't sound long range to me this can't be right right
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right it's wrong. I love everything you to do and I thank you for making me the first winner of
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the website comment of the week in episode 416. I'm happy to accept my hunt with you in Betsy in
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Africa just kidding unless you can actually offer that. Well we can't give you a free hunt but you
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certainly welcome to come along with us if we go on a couple of them here this next year. Now Alex
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what I think you're getting messed up here with this stability threshold the numbers they generally
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give on this stability threshold is the muzzle velocity your muzzle velocity has to be at least
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this much not the down range velocity once that bullet stabilizes boy it stays that way for
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well I mean this is why they're shooting a 6.5 k more at a thousand yards and still hitting
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their targets and of course these days with certain cartridges going a lot farther than that so it's
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the the muzzle velocity is what you're needing for this stabilization and then what other thing that
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happens of course is a transition zone between supersonic flight and subsonic as Chuck Yeager when
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you're flying the X-15 and broke the sound barrier for the first time you know they didn't know
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what was going to happen they thought it wasn't possible you're going to blow up or slide into
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another dimension or something so when he was getting close to the point where he was going to go
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supersonic over a thousand miles per hour roughly the plane started shaking like crazy and boy
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in one of the reasons he was kind of a hero was because he was tough enough man enough and brave
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enough to keep the pedal of the metal and break through that so what he was hitting was what we
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now know is a trans sonic instability speed level when you go between supersonic and subsonic you get
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this wonky area where it's hard to control the flight similar things happen with bullets that's why
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precision shooters with 22 long rifles generally like to shoot ammunition that starts off with a
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muzzle velocity of a a thousand and fifty feet per second or so subsonic to start with so they
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never have to go through that transition zone if you start with a twelve hundred and fifty foot per
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second high velocity forty grain bullet from a twenty two it doesn't take long before it's slowing
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down and going into that transition zone and then it starts to lose its accuracy so there's a little
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bit of that going on but I think you've just confusing muzzle velocity and instability with down
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range stuff okay I hope that helped you out now I think that's all we have here Betsy do we want
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to do a comment of the week yeah we haven't done for quite a while who do you think we should give it to
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I think the guy and I don't remember his name talked about too much gear be a woodsman
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oh be a woodsman too much gear I think that was what's it Brian I think it was Brian yeah Brian
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and referencing the thirty thirty winchester is a joke article yeah let's give it to Brian Brian
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we want to thank you for all of your insights and funny comments on people who get a little too
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wrapped up in their gear and forget about being a real hunter or a woodsman so you are our comment
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