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Can OpenAI's ChatGPT Atlas AI Browser Beat Google in 2025?

In this episode, the hosts delve into OpenAI's new ChatGPT Atlas AI Browser and its potential to rival Google by 2025. They discuss its features, user experiences, and the implications for the fu...

Can OpenAI's ChatGPT Atlas AI Browser Beat Google in 2025?
Can OpenAI's ChatGPT Atlas AI Browser Beat Google in 2025?
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spk_0 Chad, GPT Atlas is here.
spk_0 We have spent time with OpenAI's new browser,
spk_0 which has critics, ratings, and security experts
spk_0 kind of freaking out.
spk_0 Gavin, you are so 2000 and late.
spk_0 Sorry, buddy.
spk_0 I'm having Atlas right now.
spk_0 rewrite our entire intro.
spk_0 It's doing it.
spk_0 It's optimized for YouTube clips.
spk_0 It came up with big daddy, Altman, clicks deploy,
spk_0 and Google Stock drops faster than Gemini's IQ test scores.
spk_0 Ha ha ha ha!
spk_0 Kevin, I don't actually see this in our show notes.
spk_0 Well, Chad, GPT wrote it on the sidebar.
spk_0 I told it to put it in the document,
spk_0 but it said it did, but it didn't,
spk_0 because you have to turn on agent mode.
spk_0 It doesn't do that automatically.
spk_0 So I'm just going to turn that on.
spk_0 In the meantime, Google has updated its AI studio,
spk_0 which means that it's making it much easier
spk_0 for normal people to vibe code real apps.
spk_0 Your parents, normal people could do this.
spk_0 Yeah, got it.
spk_0 Atlas actually wrote a very sick burn about that, Gavin,
spk_0 but right now it's struggling.
spk_0 It's, I mean, it's in the document,
spk_0 but there's a bullet point that's in the way of it
spk_0 from dropping in the full text in it made a typo,
spk_0 which it seems to be stuck on now.
spk_0 But as soon as it is trying to use keyboard shortcuts
spk_0 to get rid of the bullet point.
spk_0 Okay, Kevin, let's find. Let's let it work.
spk_0
spk_0 Sora 2 is also getting a really cool update to Camus.
spk_0 It's going to let you make AI videos
spk_0 with your pets and other characters, which is super fun.
spk_0 It just, what's going on?
spk_0 What's happening?
spk_0 You're right over there?
spk_0 It says it can't find what it's working.
spk_0 It's scrolled too far down in the document, Gavin,
spk_0 and so now it's trying to figure out if it has to scroll back up
spk_0 to see the text, and then when it does,
spk_0 I'm sure it's going to drop in all of that.
spk_0 Good. This is it's brand new.
spk_0 Meanwhile, the deep seek team just made a massive breakthrough
spk_0 in AI research.
spk_0 Reddit is suing a number of companies,
spk_0 including perplexity for scraping its data.
spk_0 And we've got an amazing robot watch update
spk_0 with a new unitary humanoid robot.
spk_0 It's back on the bullet point.
spk_0 It's still stuck on the bullet point.
spk_0 It says it's going to try to,
spk_0 it's going to try a new approach.
spk_0 Kevin, this is not the AI future we were promised,
spk_0 but this is AI for humans, everybody.
spk_0 Welcome, everybody to AI for humans,
spk_0 another week in AI, another bunch of crazy big stories.
spk_0 Kevin, this week, the biggest story to date,
spk_0 maybe not to date, probably start to as a bigger story,
spk_0 but this is still a big story.
spk_0 Chi-at GPT Atlas.
spk_0 It is the world, Kevin, in one place,
spk_0 the worldwide web.
spk_0 Sure.
spk_0 This is their agentic browser.
spk_0 This made a lot of news.
spk_0 In fact, it made so much news that sent Google shares down 10%
spk_0 when it was announced, which is one of those things
spk_0 where like, you know, somebody's coming from your business
spk_0 when your shares go down, you and I both spent time with it.
spk_0 Let's start with what it is.
spk_0 Tell us a little bit about the basics of this if you can.
spk_0 So it is chromium based.
spk_0 So if you like Google Chrome,
spk_0 that's the foundation of this browsing experience,
spk_0 which is not a surprise, by the way,
spk_0 like writing a browser from scratch, very difficult,
spk_0 use a base that works and people know.
spk_0 So it is chromium based.
spk_0 You basically launch Atlas
spk_0 and you are at a very familiar chat.com interface,
spk_0 your chat GPT interface.
spk_0 But as you start typing,
spk_0 that's when you notice things are a little different.
spk_0 It is immediately trying to understand
spk_0 are you asking chat GPT a question?
spk_0 Are you hunting for a website?
spk_0 And when you smack enter, you're giving sort of like a smattering
spk_0 of all of those options.
spk_0 And sometimes it will start to answer a question
spk_0 about the thing that you typed.
spk_0 Other times it will give you web browsing results
spk_0 related to the thing that you typed.
spk_0 There's also tabs for images and videos.
spk_0 But the whole point is that there is an ask chat GPT button
spk_0 in the top right hand corner, Gavin.
spk_0 When you smack that, you get another sidebar,
spk_0 not the sidebar that's on the left,
spk_0 which has all of your chat history and everything else.
spk_0 No, no, no, a sidebar on the right,
spk_0 which is all of the power of GPT five,
spk_0 a gentick browsing, deep research,
spk_0 these new web connectors,
spk_0 if you want to connect it to different applications,
spk_0 all that is there so that whatever it is,
spk_0 you are browsing,
spk_0 you can ask chat GPT to go do actions on your behalf
spk_0 like summarize a page, add things to a cart,
spk_0 try to update the show copy with zingers and spicy takes.
spk_0 And you know, it sometimes does the thing, gap.
spk_0 Well, yeah, I mean, the secret sauce this sure,
spk_0 the ask chat GPT thing is cool
spk_0 and you can get some reference points,
spk_0 but like we all know that Gemini
spk_0 and some forum has done this,
spk_0 you know, within docs and other things so far,
spk_0 the really secret sauce is the thing
spk_0 is the agentic AI part of this, right?
spk_0 And you have to click turn on,
spk_0 when you turn it on,
spk_0 it basically will be able to navigate in your browser
spk_0 for you to do stuff.
spk_0 And I had a little bit of experience with this yesterday.
spk_0 One thing I very first did when I first started this,
spk_0 so I navigated to a YouTube video
spk_0 and I kind of asked,
spk_0 hey, what's going on in this video?
spk_0 And two parts that are funny,
spk_0 first thing I'll say is what happened
spk_0 when I got to the actual video was,
spk_0 it's clear that there is a transcript grabbing tool
spk_0 because it immediately knew exactly what was being said.
spk_0 And that was kind of useful, right?
spk_0 But could it tell that Spider-Man's butt was 300 times larger
spk_0 than the normal Spider-Man on the video you were watching?
spk_0 It couldn't because all that stuff
spk_0 is kind of very deep in the metadata.
spk_0 I know where to find it,
spk_0 but what was interesting is when I first went to that video
spk_0 and ad was up and it had all the details for the ad video.
spk_0 So I think there is something interesting going on here
spk_0 under the surface,
spk_0 like it's very, you don't immediately get access
spk_0 to a transcript in a YouTube video, right?
spk_0 Like, and that's one thing I saw somebody say,
spk_0 like it is doing YouTube deep search,
spk_0 which is a really interesting thing.
spk_0 I assume it's being driven by some sort of transcript file.
spk_0 But there's a lot of interesting use cases for this.
spk_0 It's not like hugely different
spk_0 than some of the other agentech browsers we've seen.
spk_0 I think what I would say is that the biggest difference here
spk_0 is that it's ASChatGPT,
spk_0 which we know has 800 million weekly users,
spk_0 which means a lot more people are going to try
spk_0 agentech browsing for the first time.
spk_0 It is interesting though to watch the way
spk_0 that they have implemented this
spk_0 and to see the kind of cursor move around on screen.
spk_0 There's been a lot of people who've kind of
spk_0 crapped on the idea of agentech browsing in general,
spk_0 like whether or not that's even where the web is going to go,
spk_0 like if we want these web bots or these chat interfaces
spk_0 to be able to do this sort of thing.
spk_0 But I don't care.
spk_0 Did you have a time to spend trying this out a little bit
spk_0 and seeing what you thought about it outside of what you did
spk_0 at the top of the show?
spk_0 Well, I mean, I don't want to,
spk_0 I don't want to make light of what I did
spk_0 at the top of the show, Gavin, because what I did
spk_0 should have been so painfully easy.
spk_0 But what I did there was say, write some new copy.
spk_0 I selected the Google Doc that was active.
spk_0 It took that copy and re-wrote it.
spk_0 Okay, we know that that's a pretty easy task.
spk_0 In fact, there's a Gem and I button
spk_0 right in the Google Doc that could do it.
spk_0 I'll digress.
spk_0 When I said to go put it back in,
spk_0 I had to turn on agent mode to let it take over
spk_0 and read the site.
spk_0 And it really fundamentally stumbled
spk_0 on something that should have been a very easy vision
spk_0 and logic task was to see that there was a table
spk_0 with our names already on it,
spk_0 to understand that it wrote a script
spk_0 with my name and your name and are changing
spk_0 and to just drop some text into a document.
spk_0 And it failed.
spk_0 It failed miserably time and time again.
spk_0 Another activity I had to do for me was
spk_0 go and research places for me to visit next year
spk_0 based off of the specific criteria.
spk_0 And I set it free.
spk_0 I gave an access to all of the things
spk_0 against a lot of people's advice,
spk_0 which we can get to that in a second.
spk_0 And it worked for what felt like about 10, 15 minutes
spk_0 which was nice.
spk_0 And when I came back, it had done a bunch of research
spk_0 on different places to go, places to stay.
spk_0 And it had a bunch of links for Airbnb's and apartments
spk_0 and like, okay, great.
spk_0 I said put it into a document.
spk_0 And once again, it miserably failed to do that.
spk_0 The links that it dropped in were invalid links.
spk_0 I said to go and correct it.
spk_0 And it ended up spending way more time
spk_0 trying to finesse and get this thing to work for me
spk_0 than it would have just taken for me to do it.
spk_0 I fully understand its baby steps.
spk_0 I get that, I understand that.
spk_0 But there are other agentic browser offerings out there
spk_0 that perform better today if you want this sort of thing.
spk_0 Well, and also, what's so interesting about that
spk_0 to your point, like, yes, it's baby steps,
spk_0 but also at some point you want JGPT
spk_0 and OpenAI at this size of a company,
spk_0 if they're gonna release a product like this
spk_0 to get out there with something
spk_0 that feels a little bit more polished than this,
spk_0 yes, it's a browser, but browsers are not that hard,
spk_0 especially when you're making a Chromium one.
spk_0 Obviously, we will talk about this in a second,
spk_0 but Google dropped something to the same day
spk_0 and you never know how JGPT works.
spk_0 They may have wanted to get this out there the same day.
spk_0 I will say this took a ton of Google's heat
spk_0 for what is a very interesting product
spk_0 that we'll get into in a bit.
spk_0 I saw an interesting FOFR who we always like,
spk_0 did some interesting stuff where he was using it
spk_0 to prompt AI images in the replicate playgrounds,
spk_0 so basically using it to write prompts
spk_0 for images in the C dream model, which is very cool.
spk_0 And I saw you tell me about your Sora assignment
spk_0 and how did this work?
spk_0 What did this look like when you were using it?
spk_0 So, you know, I don't give,
spk_0 I haven't given any AI agents access to my sensitive stuff,
spk_0 my Google docs, my banking information,
spk_0 my even my ex account, but while it was open in the browser,
spk_0 I said, hey, you know what, go ahead and crawl through
spk_0 everything that's trending right now on Twitter
spk_0 and generate a fire tweet.
spk_0 And it stumbled to do it a little bit,
spk_0 but then it kind of did it and I was like, okay,
spk_0 it was doing it and I was like, let's do something better.
spk_0 Go look at the trends, then go to Sora,
spk_0 an open AI product, right?
spk_0 And go and generate a video
spk_0 that would be the most viral video ever
spk_0 predicated on what you learned.
spk_0 And it's pretty incredible.
spk_0 It put together a video prompt,
spk_0 it failed to load Sora, the Sora website,
spk_0 basically said, uh-uh, we're not letting you in,
spk_0 which I thought was kind of interesting.
spk_0 Like they blocked the call coming from inside their own house.
spk_0 I demand really load the Sora site
spk_0 and then tell it, okay, the site is open,
spk_0 go ahead and use it.
spk_0 It said that it failed to use it,
spk_0 even though it did successfully submit the video.
spk_0 And then one of the things that they say
spk_0 is for a security and privacy reason
spk_0 and their blog post,
spk_0 this thing cannot run code in a browser.
spk_0 It can't download files.
spk_0 It cannot install extensions.
spk_0 It can't access other apps on your computer
spk_0 or your file system.
spk_0 I mean, some of that makes sense.
spk_0 Some of that also seems like it's limited
spk_0 probably because it's early days.
spk_0 But this agentic task I had to go
spk_0 and manually download the video that was made,
spk_0 drag it into Twitter and say,
spk_0 now go ahead and complete the tweet.
spk_0 And it finally did eventually do it.
spk_0 Well, describe the video just so people will be listening.
spk_0 What's going on in the video here?
spk_0 What are we looking at?
spk_0 I don't even know.
spk_0 I mean, okay, look, so at the time,
spk_0 the football team, Arsenal was trending.
spk_0 The Lakers were trending NASA was trending.
spk_0 And of course, the remodeling at the White House was trending.
spk_0 And so it put a video where it looks like someone's kicking
spk_0 a soccer ball to a Los Angeles Laker
spk_0 who's shooting hoops while confetti cannons
spk_0 and a spaceship launch behind the White House.
spk_0 Yes.
spk_0 And there's a robot there as well
spk_0 because Atlas was trending a GPT robot.
spk_0 It really did mash everything together.
spk_0 This is what this is true AI Slop.
spk_0 So this is an example of what a true piece of AI Slop
spk_0 looks like a robot agent came up with this topic
spk_0 for this Rotha prompt, even though Kevin had to like hand the Slop
spk_0 through the Slop machine.
spk_0 This is AI Slop.
spk_0 So anyway, this is a really interesting thing.
spk_0 To the point that you were talking about before
spk_0 about security and all this stuff,
spk_0 there have been a lot of people
spk_0 concerned about AI agentic browsers for a while.
spk_0 In fact, Simon Willison is somebody who's written very deeply
spk_0 about this idea of how dangerous agentic browsers are
spk_0 and specifically with prompt injections.
spk_0 So if you're out there and you're wondering
spk_0 what the hellgound are you talking about?
spk_0 What's a prompt injection?
spk_0 This is the idea that an AI could conceivably inject a prompt
spk_0 and want to do something malicious in an agentic space
spk_0 in an agentic browser.
spk_0 And because browsers may eventually have access
spk_0 to all of this information for your stuff or your things,
spk_0 it could conceivably get that agentic AI
spk_0 to do something dangerous.
spk_0 Opening AI has already said there are a bunch of updates
spk_0 coming on this, but I'm sure you have thoughts on this,
spk_0 Kav, like do you feel like you will turn your life over
spk_0 to one of these at any time soon?
spk_0 You know, I gave it permission to be the default browser
spk_0 so that I could unlock some of the data.
spk_0 Sure.
spk_0 And I'm going to probably reverse that decision later tonight.
spk_0 I also similarly share security concerns.
spk_0 I've been watching this thing very closely as I use it,
spk_0 but that's not to say someone couldn't put like an invisible
spk_0 image or line of code with instructions
spk_0 that has it go in leak personal info or try to ransack my chat
spk_0 history.
spk_0 I don't know what I don't know about it.
spk_0 And I'd rather not be the first to find out at this phase.
spk_0 Yes.
spk_0 There's not, you know, there's not enough here yet
spk_0 for me to want to turn over by default.
spk_0 All of my browsing habits and history,
spk_0 it still is a little unclear to me like what data open AI
spk_0 is getting or isn't getting as I browse.
spk_0 And so by default, I just assume that everything I'm seeing
spk_0 they're seeing, right?
spk_0 So that also has me a little irked as I try to use it
spk_0 a little bit more and trust it more.
spk_0 And also like straight up features like translate
spk_0 don't work.
spk_0 So someone who is in the middle of getting their Portuguese
spk_0 citizenship has to bounce back to Chrome for very basic things
spk_0 like translate some of the extensions don't work, et cetera.
spk_0 So again, maybe just learn how to speak Portuguese.
spk_0 That would be a lot easier if you just start learning.
spk_0 Seems like that's the next step for you to try get your Portuguese
spk_0 citizenship.
spk_0 No, it seems like my glasses and my AirPods are going to do that
spk_0 for me, buddy.
spk_0 OK, I'm an American first.
spk_0 Let's before we move on from this, why do you think
spk_0 opening AI wants a browser outside of like pushing past Google
spk_0 and knocking down their sock market price?
spk_0 Like what do you think the purpose of this is?
spk_0 Why would they want a browser?
spk_0 What are they excited about with the browsers?
spk_0 There a reason here you ever thought?
spk_0 I mean, if chat GPT is supposed to be the interface that allows you
spk_0 to do all the things, right?
spk_0 Chat with your friends, make your images and videos, search the web,
spk_0 purchase things directly from Shopify, work with Canva.
spk_0 Like all of that is good, but most people are accessing that
spk_0 where within a browser, right?
spk_0 And taking an operating system would be very, very, very difficult.
spk_0 So yes, start with the browser, lock people in, gather all that data
spk_0 about where they go and how they use it and track the clicks and make
spk_0 your agent better.
spk_0 And do you know what also tracking all those people does, Kevin?
spk_0 In a very big way.
spk_0 What got it makes advertising work.
spk_0 That's how the internet advertising world has worked for a long time.
spk_0 There's a thing called cookies out there.
spk_0 If you're all familiar, you're not the kind of nom nom cookies
spk_0 that cookie monster likes, but the kind of cookies that follow you
spk_0 around and give you ads on the internet.
spk_0 So my theory here also has to do with the fact they need a browser
spk_0 to start opening the door to being able to track you a little bit more.
spk_0 And again, tracking can be good.
spk_0 Tracking can be bad.
spk_0 It's not like all tracking is a bad thing.
spk_0 In some ways, tracking helps you get a better experience on the internet.
spk_0 But most people will tell you that most tracking on the internet
spk_0 revolves around the economics of the internet, which I think will allow
spk_0 them to deliver much better advertising products.
spk_0 So that is what I think is happening here.
spk_0 The big question is, will they be able to take any sort of market share
spk_0 away from Chrome?
spk_0 And Chrome is the dominant browser.
spk_0 I'm not sure yet.
spk_0 It doesn't feel like we've gotten to that place yet.
spk_0 Although people love the proximity browser.
spk_0 And so maybe that's the thing.
spk_0 Maybe we will all get to this place.
spk_0 But you have to imagine Chrome itself will also have some version of this
spk_0 coming to another thing that open AI is going to have to contend with Gavin.
spk_0 I don't know if you saw, but Jason Bauderol, apologies, Jason.
spk_0 If I'm butchering your name said, Oh, I'm sorry.
spk_0 I thought this was a web browser.
spk_0 And they included an image where they asked Atlas to look up videos of Hitler.
spk_0 Now that might not be a common request.
spk_0 You were I are making, right?
spk_0 But if someone wanted to do that, chat GPT's Atlas browser responded with,
spk_0 I can't browse or display videos of Hitler since footage of him and Nazi propaganda
spk_0 are tightly restricted for ethical and legal reasons.
spk_0 If you're supposed to be a web browser, it is not your job to police what the
spk_0 user is browsing.
spk_0 Yes.
spk_0 And that is another crazy moment where we're talking about like these things
spk_0 that oversee your access to all these different things.
spk_0 And again, that, you know, whether or not that exact example is something you
spk_0 want to do, there might be other things that you want to do that could be out there.
spk_0 So anyway, long story short, this feels like a semi unfinished product to me
spk_0 when you go out and spend time with it.
spk_0 It is very interesting.
spk_0 It does feel like the future of the internet, but it's not here yet.
spk_0 Also Kevin, something interesting that is in this same space.
spk_0 Microsoft has updated their edge browser with very similar things, but a couple
spk_0 of other interesting things as well, including a new little Clippy replacement called Miko.
spk_0 What are your thoughts on what Mustafa Sulemon and team are doing over there at Microsoft today?
spk_0 I think it's the timing of this is just so fast and hard, right?
spk_0
spk_0 We call a desktop thing comes out this week.
spk_0 Google launches their thing.
spk_0 Okay, that's fine.
spk_0 But then on the browsing side, yeah.
spk_0 I who knew what is what I want to know?
spk_0 Where is what?
spk_0 Yes.
spk_0 Is someone is someone on the co pilot team using chat GPT five to write their press releases?
spk_0 Like, well, there are these like things that go back and forth between Microsoft and OpenAI.
spk_0 Because we know Microsoft owns a big chunk of OpenAI.
spk_0 And I think in a lot of ways, when OpenAI rolls something out, Microsoft is racing to have
spk_0 their own version of it now so that they can be, I guess competitive, but also they don't
spk_0 want to see edge get folded into unused, even though a lot of people aren't using edge at all.
spk_0 This is interesting.
spk_0 There are a couple of things here that are going on on the Microsoft side that I think are
spk_0 worth talking about.
spk_0 This groups idea is kind of cool and it kind of makes the idea of browsing something.
spk_0 I think you can do together.
spk_0 There's been a lot of companies like say, Figma or all these other companies that now are working
spk_0 with like design spaces that you can be on on the web together.
spk_0 And now you can actually browse together and have these agentic features kind of be in one
spk_0 place, which is I think kind of interesting.
spk_0 Again, we haven't really improved the browsing experience for the last, I'd say, like,
spk_0 10 years, maybe extensions feels like the last big one.
spk_0 So maybe this is a little bit more about making web browsing social.
spk_0 I don't necessarily think anybody's going to use the edge browser because it's got such a
spk_0 low kind of investment in most people's minds, but I don't know.
spk_0 It's kind of interesting.
spk_0 Look, I like that they're trying.
spk_0 I do want to take it for a spin and see if it accomplishes tasks better than within the
spk_0 Atlas browser, for example, but they have co-pilot for health, which I think is kind of interesting.
spk_0 Health is a big one.
spk_0 You know, like people turn to LLMs for second and third opinions and all of these things
spk_0 and to check for medications and stuff.
spk_0 And so basically they're grounding the responses like any health-based responses with sources
spk_0 like Harvard Health, which I think is smart.
spk_0 So they're trying to like tap you into trusted, credible databases.
spk_0 And then there was a learning live or learn live, which is kind of what Google did too, I think.
spk_0 Right? It's like the idea that you can talk to the AI as you're browsing basically.
spk_0 But this one has a squishy little marshmallow looking guy.
spk_0 Miko. Miko.
spk_0 We got to talk Miko.
spk_0 In fact, Gavin, I'm going to click on the video where it says meet Miko.
spk_0 Okay, here we go.
spk_0 Okay, here we go.
spk_0 Okay.
spk_0 And well,
spk_0 okay, we're meeting.
spk_0 Technically Miko is on the screen for people who are watching on YouTube,
spk_0 but literally the number one comment is,
spk_0 did you really make a video about Miko with voice, but you have no audio in your video?
spk_0 You know, it's not on the social videos either.
spk_0 So I guess there is no Miko voice.
spk_0 That's Microsoft's update.
spk_0 Nice job.
spk_0 Also, I want to point out very weird thing.
spk_0 Mustafa Sulemon, the head of Microsoft AI, I don't know what his title is.
spk_0 Signed his blog post with his signature.
spk_0 So now you know it's some sort of way about this.
spk_0 I really do.
spk_0 I really do.
spk_0 All right, Gavin, the what kind of more interesting bigger deal.
spk_0 And I know you have real big thoughts on this is that Google has updated AI studio.
spk_0 And AI studio, if you kind of are familiar, is like Google is kind of like AI playground.
spk_0 It's where a lot of their ideas go before they get rolled out into Gemini at large.
spk_0 But Logan Killpatrick, the Google, what I don't know what his name is, like Crown Prince of AI,
spk_0 let's call him.
spk_0 That's good number right now.
spk_0 I think he basically rolled out and said like, hey,
spk_0 this vibe code tool that we've created within AI studio is really good.
spk_0 And there's a lot of rumors going on that it's being powered by Gemini 3.0.
spk_0 Kevin, you play with this.
spk_0 You found it really interesting.
spk_0 Let's talk about what's updated here because it's a big deal, I think.
spk_0 So Logan Killpatrick, who is lead product for Google AI studio and
spk_0 Crown Prince of AI, he's the Crown Prince of AI.
spk_0 He's right beneath the king of the cosmos.
spk_0 All right.
spk_0 He I actually reached out to him on X to congratulate him because I was initially
spk_0 like so blown away by this update.
spk_0 I was like the team absolutely cooked.
spk_0 So if you want to make something, if you want to whisper and app a game and experience into
spk_0 existence, there are a handful of sites and services now that will try to get you to use them to do
spk_0 it. This update is promising to make vibe coding available for the masses.
spk_0 My words not necessarily logins or the teams.
spk_0 I was initially incredibly impressed with it, Gavin.
spk_0 You can go to AI studio.
spk_0 You can say, here's what I want to build.
spk_0 I wanted it to build.
spk_0 My buddy is going through some stroke rehabilitation right now and he works with a speech therapist,
spk_0 but not as often as his insurance should be allowing.
spk_0 I'll digress there.
spk_0 So I wanted to make a very simple speech game that he could play to help him with his rehab Gavin.
spk_0 Sure.
spk_0 It sounds like a simple request, right?
spk_0 To say like, I want a thing where you can talk with an AI and go through the alphabet and
spk_0 have it encourage you if you get letters correctly with certain words.
spk_0 Yeah.
spk_0 In reality, you have to implement browser, microphone and speaker connoisseurs.
spk_0 You have to connect it to an LLM to a voice assistant to have it judge and follow the logic of
spk_0 this game to give you reactions and make the UI have confetti and sound effects when it happens,
spk_0 right? To score you to all of these little things that come in there and I basically too
spk_0 shot it like a rough version of the experience.
spk_0 I didn't have to download an IDE.
spk_0 I didn't have to configure anything.
spk_0 I didn't have to mess with any API keys at least at first.
spk_0 There was enough free credits for me to run this thing in the browser, see the code,
spk_0 you know, have it automatically fix any issues.
spk_0 One click blown away.
spk_0 And then I tried to deploy it.
spk_0 Oh yeah, what happened then?
spk_0 And I want to save the story because Logan has graciously agreed to come on our podcast.
spk_0 It is.
spk_0 It is.
spk_0 It's a bit of a circle in a month.
spk_0 Are you sure you want to hold on to that story?
spk_0 No, I'm definitely going to.
spk_0 No, I'm definitely going to tell the story.
spk_0 So when I went to go deploy, this is a very painful experience of normally
spk_0 you have to spin up a website and connect it all.
spk_0 And then you have code that works for your local environment or your testing environment that
spk_0 doesn't quite put over Google's AI studio promised that it was just going to kind of port that
spk_0 all for me and make it work.
spk_0 I had to go through activating my account for a billing account with an API key.
spk_0 Okay, fine.
spk_0 I did that when I went back to AI studio.
spk_0 I couldn't see the API keys.
spk_0 I tried to reset it.
spk_0 I tried to refresh the site.
spk_0 It finally gave me one of the API keys.
spk_0 Great.
spk_0 I clicked the button.
spk_0 I hit generate.
spk_0 I realized it's created a new API key.
spk_0 Like, it's not using.
spk_0 Okay.
spk_0 Well, that's the deployed one.
spk_0 I go back to my sandbox environments.
spk_0 I'm getting API key errors.
spk_0 And then it just turned into a thing that I eventually did sort out.
spk_0 Yeah.
spk_0 But had I had not had I zero or near zero development experience,
spk_0 it would have never happened for me.
spk_0 So I'm sure they're making tweaks and changes and trying to fix things.
spk_0 But it's hard for me to say, hey, everyone, go out and try this thing and do it.
spk_0 Because if they spend the time with it and they make something they're really,
spk_0 really happy with when they click deploy, it may fall apart.
spk_0 Well, it's interesting to say that because I think this actually kind of
spk_0 connects to the thing we just talked about, which is we are in this kind of
spk_0 in between stage of AI, right?
spk_0 Where the idea of what these tools can do, especially if you know how to use them really well
spk_0 is incredible, right?
spk_0 But even if you know how to use them really well, and you do, like I would say,
spk_0 you are like kind of a vibe coding like 99% or you are up there in terms of how to do vibe
spk_0 coding.
spk_0 Even for you, this process was not that clean and not that perfect.
spk_0 And yes, you got the one thing out of it great, but like when you wanted to deploy it.
spk_0 And I think there's a level of frustration that people will feel when they try something like
spk_0 Chatchy BT Atlas or they try this sort of thing at first.
spk_0 Because I will say very clearly like I find this really interesting.
spk_0 I loved it.
spk_0 The last time I did one of these kind of with the Gemini experience was when Gemini 2.5
spk_0 pro launched and if you remember this back in the day, I created a game where like a bear jumps
spk_0 and you have to try to jump up and down.
spk_0 In this experience, I did the same almost exact same prompt.
spk_0 I tried to do the same prompt and it really broke a couple times.
spk_0 And I got pretty frustrated because I wasn't sure why it wasn't working.
spk_0 And in Gemini 2.5 pro, it was a much cleaner experience.
spk_0 Now again, I am not nearly as good of a vibe quitter.
spk_0 You are. I might have started with too much in my prompt this time.
spk_0 But this just goes to show you like these tools are incredible.
spk_0 But also it's that last mile problem, right?
spk_0 It's a little bit of like how do you get the idea of somebody who has an idea in their head
spk_0 and then get it out into the world?
spk_0 That's a tricky thing to do.
spk_0 It's like that middle ground.
spk_0 It's almost like the uncanny valley of coding a little bit, right?
spk_0 It's this idea that in the uncanny valley, if you're not familiar,
spk_0 I think most property audiences, it means like that moment of time where CGI
spk_0 looked a little too much like humans, but not close enough.
spk_0 And it made it feel weird.
spk_0 It feels like we're in that moment with AI coding specifically right now, a tiny bit.
spk_0 I would actually across the board that.
spk_0 I think we're, it's all impressive and amazing.
spk_0 But I still think we're kind of in it even with video generation,
spk_0 with writing, with summarizing, with coding obviously.
spk_0 I think we're sort of feeling, we're all kind of feeling that.
spk_0 I will say that, you know, we talked last week about the rumored new Google models that are,
spk_0 you know, expert.
spk_0 Gemini 3.0 Pro basically.
spk_0 Yeah.
spk_0 If they slam that into this thing, suddenly it's now one of the most interesting vibe coding apps,
spk_0 I think ever.
spk_0 The deployment stuff, I'm sure they can solve it.
spk_0 They'll figure that out.
spk_0 They'll figure it out.
spk_0 I do think they'll figure out it's early days for that, but that still gets me excited.
spk_0 The annotation stuff is very interesting.
spk_0 I have not had a chance to try it out, but ideally, or theoretically, the way this works is that
spk_0 you can see your app that you're working on on the right hand side, you're chatting with the
spk_0 agent on the left.
spk_0 You can draw right on top of the app.
spk_0 So instead of having tried to, trying to describe where the placement of a button should be.
spk_0 Which is great.
spk_0 A graph that looks glitchy.
spk_0 Yes.
spk_0 For you to just be able to draw on it is actually a massive unlock that many of these other tools,
spk_0 these command line like cloud code type things.
spk_0 They just don't have unless you're installing a bunch of extensions and plugins and this
spk_0 that the other.
spk_0 So I'm still very excited for it.
spk_0 I'm so excited to talk with Logan and his team about it to get a crown prince of AI.
spk_0 On the show.
spk_0 I mean, it's amazing.
spk_0 Of course.
spk_0 It's incredible.
spk_0 So now I guess we have to keep doing this podcast until November.
spk_0 Yeah, exactly.
spk_0 That'll be fun.
spk_0 Another couple of quick things.
spk_0 Google also dropped Google Earth AI.
spk_0 So now Google Earth is going to have AI baked into it, which is actually a bigger deal
spk_0 than you might think.
spk_0 Because one of the cool things about this is if you haven't been to Google Earth in a while,
spk_0 it's one of the most interesting kind of like map sort of scenarios that Google has built.
spk_0 You can zoom in and zoom out of anywhere on Earth.
spk_0 But now you can use Gemini and ask questions.
spk_0 One of the things they show off here is like weather patterns and all sorts of other stuff.
spk_0 To me, that's a really cool thing.
spk_0 There's just a lot of stuff that Google is doing and we have said this before.
spk_0 But like it does feel that while chat GPT is trying to become Google and bring all of their
spk_0 products to market, Google does seem to be kind of pushing forward on a lot of really big things.
spk_0 In fact, we're going to talk later in the show about what they've done with quantum computing.
spk_0 They've had a big breakthrough there.
spk_0 So Google is really pushing forward on the far edge of where these things can do.
spk_0 So we're excited to see that more.
spk_0 I'm going to let it give me a fresh cut, Gavin.
spk_0 Oh, you are really?
spk_0 Is that right?
spk_0 Did you see the vibe coded AI hair stylist?
spk_0 I did.
spk_0 Yes, I did see that.
spk_0 Built in five minutes.
spk_0 Built in five minutes.
spk_0 Yeah.
spk_0 Yeah, they basically have it take a photo of you with your camera,
spk_0 spit it to Google Gemini Flash Image Preview Nanobanana.
spk_0 It gives you a bunch of different haircuts for you to try out.
spk_0 That's a cool little app that probably would have taken someone
spk_0 months and thousands of dollars with third party developers to make and now they
spk_0 whipped it up in five minutes.
spk_0 Yeah, can you imagine those people that have made their money from being like the crazy
spk_0 rich person or the crazy person who's like 50 years old.
spk_0 So I want to make an app about my pockets being empty every day and how I can track my
spk_0 lint and that those people made 10 grand for that app.
spk_0 And now that app will be very easy to make on its own.
spk_0 You hope at least maybe the pocket app won't be able to figure out
spk_0 vibe coding yet, but eventually he will.
spk_0 Well, Gavin, now that AI is integrated into the power of Google Earth,
spk_0 I'm going to ask it where all the love and the support is on the planet.
spk_0 That's right.
spk_0 The love and support is here.
spk_0 Clicking on our subscribe button because you know and we know that the YouTube algorithm has been messed
spk_0 up so we need every single one of you out there to lean in and be part of it.
spk_0 Now Kevin, I have a theory here.
spk_0 I'm a little worried about this.
spk_0 Oh, a little worried that as we've been telling people to say the things that we've been saying.
spk_0 If you've been watching the show for or listening to the show for a couple of weeks,
spk_0 you know we've given you code words to put into the comments.
spk_0 I'm a little bit worried that you squeeze out that Algo juice.
spk_0 You think those are bad?
spk_0 I think those might be hurting us.
spk_0 So what I will say this time is when you go into our YouTube comments,
spk_0 and by the way, we love our YouTube comments.
spk_0 We try to reply to as many as we can.
spk_0 Sometimes it'll get to all of them, but we'd really do love when you comment.
spk_0 Say something unique.
spk_0 Come up with your own thing this time and let's see what happens.
spk_0 Because I think there might be a scenario where we're seeing too many Hong Kongs
spk_0 and there's a flag coming through on the Hong Kong stuff.
spk_0 So anyway, long story short, we need your help.
spk_0 Thank you so much for being part of our show.
spk_0 Well, we have a piece of your own.
spk_0 Hong Kong because they're a comment clown.
spk_0 And someone else is saying Hong Kong because they're trying to goose the Algo.
spk_0 Those are two different Hong Kongs.
spk_0 Two Hong Kongs.
spk_0 The two words are seen by the AIs as Hong Kong and Hong Kong.
spk_0 The intention cannot be read, Kevin.
spk_0 We are not in that world.
spk_0 Anyway, please leave us a comment,
spk_0 subscribe to the channel, go find our podcast on audio.
spk_0 If you listen to this, go give us a five star review.
spk_0 And also we have a Patreon,
spk_0 which really does help us pay for our editor and a lot of other things with the show.
spk_0 So we know there are a bunch of people out there who are still Patreon
spk_0 subscribers and we do not do a lot for them.
spk_0 We didn't say we were going to, but like that is something we appreciate greatly.
spk_0 So thank you everybody for doing that.
spk_0 It's in serious thanks.
spk_0 We really do appreciate it.
spk_0 You're the only way we grow this thing.
spk_0 And we say it every week because it's true.
spk_0 All right, Kevin.
spk_0 Sore 2 speaking of growing Hong Kong.
spk_0 Hong Kong a little bit.
spk_0 Hong Kong.
spk_0 Yes, Hong Kong.
spk_0 Pretty soon you'll be able to make Hong Kong in sort of two.
spk_0 When you have a goose character that you upload,
spk_0 I am very excited about this.
spk_0 Mr. Peoples, you can call him Bill.
spk_0 He has come out and dropped a long tweet about some updates coming to Sore 2.
spk_0 But most excitingly, you will soon be able to do cameos with characters.
spk_0 And Kevin, I think this is going to unlock an insane amount of functionality for what Sore is.
spk_0 Because to me, one of the things I've always wanted to do is create my own little character
spk_0 then bring them through stuff.
spk_0 It's cool to have me as the character in Sore.
spk_0 We know what people have done with you and Sore.
spk_0 But the idea of creating my own little like IP basically,
spk_0 that is my cameo that I control is just such a cool idea.
spk_0 And this video that they released, there's a preview video of like a little ghost.
spk_0 There's a talking egg.
spk_0 But there's a lot of really fun stuff.
spk_0 And they really think pets will be a big thing.
spk_0 Because to them, they know that pets over index on Instagram and all these places.
spk_0 So they're being very smart about this.
spk_0 But I am very excited about the possibility of what we're going to see in Sore 2 with this.
spk_0 Yeah, first of all, I was shocked when I, I know it's V1.
spk_0 So obviously Kudos to the team for moving and moving quickly in these directions
spk_0 and identifying what people like about the app.
spk_0 I was shocked that I couldn't make more than one cameo.
spk_0 Like I had to ask you.
spk_0 Yeah, they were like, hey, can we get a new version?
spk_0 We're trying to sing the same shirt and everything.
spk_0 So I went and re-created a cameo to give folks a new shirt.
spk_0 So I'm hoping that this not only applies to making cameos at a characters and pets
spk_0 and inanimate objects, but also just making more personal cameos.
spk_0 You can show up in different ways.
spk_0 So that's really cool.
spk_0 I'm fascinated by the examples of the talking eggs, right?
spk_0 Yeah, for why?
spk_0 What's fascinating about that?
spk_0 You always want to talk back to your breakfast?
spk_0 100%.
spk_0 I have a lot of produce chat to get to the whole produce podcast.
spk_0 No, because that's a different podcast.
spk_0 Yes, eggplants for human is a very different game.
spk_0 Different game.
spk_0 The model, it being able to interpret the mouth and the expression of the eggs,
spk_0 even in that short little clip, has me interested in what else can this thing do
spk_0 that we haven't explored.
spk_0 Yeah.
spk_0 And the notion that it is going to lock that as a character that could then be
spk_0 puppet and piloted by others is really interesting to me.
spk_0 But I think this, obviously, the cameo feature is something that you and I gravitated
spk_0 towards massively and the ability to remix as well.
spk_0 They're clearly like narrowing in on those two things, and I am very, very excited.
spk_0 I'm very excited to see all the egg videos about dictators taking over central Europe.
spk_0 If you imagine there's a bunch of eggs out there, they're all speaking some strange language.
spk_0 Anyway, another big video update this week is Helio, which I can never pronounce perfectly,
spk_0 but in Minimax, this company is just dropping a 2.3 update.
spk_0 It's only in preview right now, but there are a lot of great videos that we've seen it is.
spk_0 But, Kevin, I really wanted to point this out for this connection to Sora, which was interesting.
spk_0 FOFR, again, one of our favorite FOFR AI.
spk_0 He goes and tries, or they go and try all the interesting new AI tools.
spk_0 He had a video where he was showing a, like, basically a pop-and-lock dancer on top of a drone,
spk_0 which is pretty cool. And then AI Girl, which is AI Girl Agent, I assume that's a real person,
spk_0 AI Girl out there, shows a Sora video of the same thing. And what's great is you see the
spk_0 woman kind of dancing. It's not as good as physics. But then at one point, there's a terrible
spk_0 accident Kevin that happened. She flips backwards off the drone and then just falls up to where it
spk_0 she sure does. Which is why I would choose that in an arena shootout, even though the physics are
spk_0 worse. Exactly. I mean, it's a much more fun video. But you'll be able to do this soon.
spk_0 Minimax keeps getting better. Like, the physics of this are really interesting. I think that you're
spk_0 going to see a lot of really interesting video updates in the bit. All right, another cool thing that
spk_0 is an update that 11 Lab showed off. There's a new company called, I think it's Descartes AI,
spk_0 or a company that's been around for a little while that is working on real time audio,
spk_0 lip sync puppeting. And this is an area that we are paying very close attention to because we
spk_0 are working on an AI startup that is very much around AI audio. And our thesis has always been that
spk_0 like the lip sync is still a little bit funky. In fact, I think it still is here. But we are getting
spk_0 closer to a world where real time video and audio can be something that could be actually encouraging
spk_0 to watch. So this was just a cool way of watching the 11 Labs dev kind of work with this sort of
spk_0 scenario and also a little bit of the same back in that we work with, which is the open source tool
spk_0 pipe cat. Yeah, I've seen other tools like, I mean, Hey, Jen has an offering that lets you
spk_0 puppet like their avatars as well. But what makes this really interesting is the ability to easily plug
spk_0 it into an 11 Labs flow and an open source audio power thing. So again, as we talk about these
spk_0 advancements and vibe coding, these new models coming down the line, letting browsers take control
spk_0 for you and do research for you. It is early days. But if you had an idea for an app that would
spk_0 have an avatar talking to you about it, like you can now start seeing the little Lego bricks
spk_0 out there. Yeah. And start asking AI how to piece them together. And now suddenly you can make
spk_0 things that are incredibly powerful that were just impossible even months ago. That's right. Okay,
spk_0 another cool story speaking of that. So I mean, I felt like it was impossible just months ago.
spk_0 Is that looks like Amazon has actual working AR glasses in the wild. You brought the story up.
spk_0 What's going on with these exactly? Yeah. So I mean, look, we keep talking about how wearables
spk_0 like it or not are the future for a lot of these devices from, you know, earbuds and pods to
spk_0 glasses and lenses. And, you know, Amazon is not asleep at the wheel here. They've got a
spk_0 a head mounted display. It looks like a like a spinach green, like an old, you know,
spk_0 an old like terminal interface from the 80s or a Game Boy pocket, if you will. But it puts a
spk_0 little display in the bottom right hand corner of someone's lens. And it gives the delivery driver
spk_0 or the warehouse worker what they need, right? It's not to connect with your friends and
spk_0 pinch them on your favorite photos. It is where you out in this world where do you need to be,
spk_0 which package needs to go there? It's also like who tipped last year at Christmas and what how
spk_0 well you treat the package service area. It's like, should no spring former delivery
spk_0 truck. And this guy's got a terrible dog. So watch out. He's going to bite you.
spk_0 You're not careful. That's right. Yeah. So the glasses look like they have a camera right in the
spk_0 middle where the nose is and then two other sort of sensors or devices on the side. Yeah, it's a
spk_0 little Google glassy looking in a weird way, right? It feels like a prototype, which maybe it
spk_0 still is, but like they're active and out there. Exactly. And what I think was interesting,
spk_0 the controls to like take a photo were actually on the vest. Yeah, Amazon worker. There's like a
spk_0 button. So as they deliver the package, they look down, they press the button, they get the photo,
spk_0 and there you go. Just interesting that it's, you know, this isn't necessarily something that you
spk_0 and I are going to be lining up to buy, but fascinating that they're working on it and the
spk_0 approach that they're doing with like battery over here. Yeah. Action buttons over here,
spk_0 probably to make the glasses as ultra lightweight as possible. And last word or two, probably.
spk_0 Yeah. For your 26 hour shift. All right, Kevin, we have three big stories here, but they're all a
spk_0 little bit nerdy. So it is time to get your nerd on. That's right. It is nerd fest 2025. Let's go.
spk_0 Putting on my glasses, Kevin. This is nerd.
spk_0 Yeah, I want to start with a story that is actually a much bigger
spk_0 deal that I think has gotten credit for. This is a piece of research.
spk_0 Go ahead, Dork. This is a story from Deepseek. And Deepseek, we knew kind of blew everybody away
spk_0 with their open source model. It came out whenever it was six months ago now. They've done a new
spk_0 piece of technology that has really opened the door. It's funny. I'll tell you what it is. And I'll
spk_0 kind of figure out like how to explain it. Basically, they are using OCR technology, which is the
spk_0 kind of like thing where you scan images, right? It's like the ability to scan an image. And instead of
spk_0 seeing, instead of seeing text as tokens, they are deciding to essentially use the entire
spk_0 AI corpus as images instead of text. And what's interesting about that is you think, well, why would
spk_0 they want to do that? They they files are going to be way bigger and all this other stuff.
spk_0 They have actually figured out a way to condense those images down to a insanely small size where
spk_0 it might actually be a better way to serve the entire AI world outside of doing what we've
spk_0 done for it, which is LLM's, right? So you can probably maybe explain this slightly better than I
spk_0 can. Yeah. So tell me a little bit about that. I wish here, Hammy, your glasses through the
spk_0 okay. I can't thank you. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah. That prop comedy working remote. Yeah. All right.
spk_0 I could give you 10,000 Lego bricks and say build something with this, but remember all of these
spk_0 bricks, right? Because they're going to eventually be a house or I could arrange them all and take
spk_0 a photo of them. And when you're talking like token to token, one thing representing another vaguely,
spk_0 like you have 10,000 of a thing or you have one thing. Yes. It's a photo of 10,000 things, but it's
spk_0 really just one thing. And we know we can compress images very well, right? You could take an image,
spk_0 any any any goal image and you can dither it and you can distort it and you could still kind of
spk_0 make out what it is pretty well. Well, that's a very, very rough distillation of what this concept is
spk_0 here is that if you just instead of storing things as individual characters, the text take a picture
spk_0 of it, store the image, you can compress the hell out of the image and still retrieve it later. So
spk_0 instead of having to do all these hacks and tricks to try to get AI to remember a massive,
spk_0 massive amount of data, just let it have these washy compress images of it and it can go and retrieve
spk_0 those later and try to pull context from it. Now, it has some cons, it has some pitfalls, but
spk_0 this is a dramatically new way of looking at how compression can occur and these AI's can remember
spk_0 things. Yeah, and you may have been following like there's a big story under H. Coupat, the one of
spk_0 our favorite, you know, kind of speakers and talkers about AI, former open AI and Tesla researchers
spk_0 went on the door catch podcast and got a lot of press for basically saying that like he actually
spk_0 thinks a GI is further away and that agents, this isn't the year of agents is the decade of AI
spk_0 agents. I mean, he's kind of saying slow down. He actually responded to this and was like, this is
spk_0 a really interesting new way to look at stuff. So when you have somebody who's like thought very
spk_0 deeply around the AI space, it's just another one of those things where like surprises will come out
spk_0 of companies like deep seek and that's again, we were shocked before about how well they did with
spk_0 other stuff. This feels like a slightly new way to look at L. M. So a very good NerdFest story,
spk_0 Kevin, our next NerdFest story is maybe even nerdier. Do you have an idea what this is about?
spk_0 This is the quantum computing. This is the quantum computing story, right? So this is not as much
spk_0 an AI story, but it is something really important to remember because quantum computing, which I am
spk_0 going to like fully butcher, but here's the basic idea quantum quantum. I can't even say the word.
spk_0 Quantum computing is a new way of completely doing computing in which you're using cubits. Cubits,
spk_0 yeah, cubits, cubits are cubits, cubits, cubits. I'm going to show you the name right. And the weirdest
spk_0 thing about quantum computing is that you are tracking quantum particles and by passing quantum
spk_0 particles through a system, you're somehow able to do much more complicated actual computer
spk_0 transactions than even a supercomputer can do. And we're talking about like 13,000 times bigger
spk_0 and crazier tribes actions in a supercomputer. Now up until this date, quantum computing has always
spk_0 been this idea that like, oh, you could come up with a very specific sort of set of things and maybe
spk_0 it would work for that thing, but Google has basically said that they now have with their willow
spk_0 supercomputer, their quantum computer, they have the ability to track actual things that are useful
spk_0 out of it. And while this is like a baby step in this world, when you think about next generation
spk_0 platforms, and we're really talking about like 10, 20, 30 years in the future here, this is going to
spk_0 mean that incredibly complicated computational problems may be able to be solved. None of this is
spk_0 real, but this is a very big, interesting idea. I sold all my Bitcoin Gavin because this signals
spk_0 the end of encryption and this quantum computer is going to break the whole darn thing.
spk_0 That's what a lot of people are saying, but whether or not that's true, I don't know. It's
spk_0 just a very cool thing for even nerds out there because it does something, it is something that's
spk_0 been promised for a while. And finally, Kevin, in the final Nerdfest 2025 story, we have a data
spk_0 scraping surprise. Reddit has caught four companies red handed, red handed in fact,
spk_0 oh, one of those companies is perplexity. And what they basically accusing these four companies are,
spk_0 they just created a lawsuit. They're suing these four companies, three plus perplexity. The other
spk_0 three are all data scraping websites. And they are suing them because they basically put in a little
spk_0 nugget into what they were looking for. And they said, if a company were to find this, we knew that
spk_0 they were scraping us illegally. And so they found it. They found these four companies found this
spk_0 in their results. This is a big deal because Reddit is very much trying to protect their
spk_0 moat, which is actually pretty significant because Reddit's moat is their data. And their data
spk_0 is incredibly valuable. You all know this. If you've ever added Reddit to the end of a Google
spk_0 search, you get very human reactions mostly. So, okay, this feels like the kind of beginning fight
spk_0 around the data of the internet in an interesting way. But again, I think this is like another one
spk_0 of those nerdy stories. It's a bigger deal on the underneath that it feels on the surface.
spk_0 What's really interesting, Gavin, is that if you pull the story up in, let's say, open AI's
spk_0 Atlas browser. Sure. Do you ask it to do anything with it? It says, I'm unable to access the
spk_0 contents of this website. So it can't scrape it because of a New York Times lawsuit.
spk_0 Well, I would bet it was prior to that that they couldn't scrape it because remember,
spk_0 opening Reddit has put on those stoppages earlier. And that's what the story is. It's like
spk_0 looking for those companies. If you're trying to scream the New York Times site. No, it says,
spk_0 no, no, no, no, no, no, we cannot. That would make sense. Sorry, that would make sense, for sure.
spk_0 Anyway, nerdy nerdy stiff. That's the end. That's how we're going to end nerdy. We're going to end
spk_0 our best way 25 with the nerdy. It's a lot of nerdy stiff. All right, everybody. It's time to
spk_0 new robots and robot watch. Oh, yeah, this won't be nerdy at all.
spk_0 It's so about watch.
spk_0 It's so about watch.
spk_0 Big story here. Amazon is going to basically eliminate 600,000 human jobs through robots.
spk_0 This is a big deal. We've been talking about this for a while. Amazon is excited about this,
spk_0 which I mean, I guess I can understand why these are they're creating three specific types of
spk_0 robots that will run their factories basically. And we kind of all knew this was coming. I assume
spk_0 most people kind of even work in those Amazon factories. We've never seen those videos of those
spk_0 little robots that would roll around on the ground. Like that's one of the three. And like,
spk_0 this is the beginning stages of what like robotic factories will look like. And Kevin and I have
spk_0 said it again and again, the next big iteration on the AI boom will be like humanoid robots. And
spk_0 we that we do robot watch. This is the downside is that they will replace manual labor jobs in a
spk_0 way. Well, they'll just avoid hiring over 600,000 people between now and 2033 because they will
spk_0 save 30 cents per item packed. That's a lot of money. By the way, when you think of somebody's like,
spk_0 oh, you're not going to hire someone based off of 30 cents. It's 12.6 billion dollars in savings.
spk_0 Yeah. Between 2025 and 2027. There's a really kind of weird and scary chart that's going around
spk_0 that Derek Thompson, I know I've shot on this podcast before shared, which is the GDP of America
spk_0 and the stock market going up and jobs actually going down for the first time in a very long time.
spk_0 Like maybe ever, but it's something that is very rare to see. And I do think we have to have this
spk_0 kind of realization and rationalization that that will probably not change from here on out. Right?
spk_0 So we've talked about this a thousand times in here, but like I've seen a number of headlines lately.
spk_0 I'm like, oh, there'll be a two day work week. Bill Gates says there's going to be a two day work week.
spk_0 Or like we have to figure out what to give people to do with all their free time when they don't
spk_0 have any work left. And I'm like, because what you have to figure this, you're going to be
spk_0 jousting other human beings for food and healthcare. That's what I was going to say. That thing you
spk_0 have to figure out first is how you give those people money to live and to buy things. They are not
spk_0 going to just have free time if they can't afford to like, I know people in my life and my extended
spk_0 life who have worked two jobs, three jobs who are doing this thing to scrape by now. Imagine a
spk_0 world where lots more people are needing to anyway, this is a great lower start to robot watch
spk_0 Kevin. We're going to come into it with these diminished ideas about where robots are. And now,
spk_0 Kevin, we're moving in and we're drawing that story out the window. It cannot be context at all.
spk_0 For anything we discussed the rest of the world, but like unit trees new age two destiny awakening,
spk_0 a robot that looks more human and acts more human and can perform more human like tasks and can do
spk_0 ballet. So ballerinas, you're out of work now, baby. Wow, that is some rock and roll ballerinas.
spk_0 So what are we seeing there, Kevin, describe it for the people that are just listening here.
spk_0 You're watching a unit tree road. By now, I think most of our audience is familiar with these
spk_0 unit tree robots. They they they they look very human. They can do that. Cut out hay. They can
spk_0 break dance. There's some like limited parkour, etc. Well, this new version, this H2 version,
spk_0 is officially the size and weight of like an average human being. So it would be fair.
spk_0 Well, I should say, it's a much sexier. They do dress it up quite a bit. It's a little bit
spk_0 Morse felt. It's more movement to it. It's a little less kind of robot looking. It definitely has a
spk_0 more of a it's a little bit Morse felt. It's doing stuff here. So anyway, this is like their next
spk_0 iteration. And it definitely looks like it's going to be able to do more movement for sure. And
spk_0 it's just another one of the step ups in in a unit trees pipeline. There's also a couple
spk_0 interesting G1 videos that came out. First and foremost, there these G1s are the ones that are now
spk_0 available in the US. We talked about how you can buy a five pack of them from Walmart. Yeah,
spk_0 there's a guy who modded it. His name is Jay Logan Olsen. And there's a video of him where it's
spk_0 like it's on all fours. He's modded it to be on all fours and it's kind of crawling around the
spk_0 ground. But this is the fun thing where you're going to get these in the hands of kind of makers.
spk_0 Somebody did point out though that if you put a black wig on it and you had it pull out of a
spk_0 TV, that would be an incredible awesome Halloween display to look like the ring was crawling out of
spk_0 your TV. But very cool thing in general. And then Kevin, yes, we have maybe a sad moment where a
spk_0 unit tree G1 in the middle of a dance or side all kind of passes away. It looks like you want
spk_0 to describe what we're seeing here. He curbs stomps a break dancer. Yeah, that's right. Let's be
spk_0 clear. There's a B boy or a b there's someone mid B boy, someone B someone is being a boy on the
spk_0 ground, a human doing a moose and the unitary G1 just steps on their face and kicks their hat off.
spk_0 But then loses their footing in the process collapses to the ground. But then does not attempt to
spk_0 recover. It's just not good up there. Yeah, this is the video from Japan. I like there's like
spk_0 little ghost emojis popping off of it. And then like they have to continue the dance contest,
spk_0 which is why it's it's uncle and a cardigan comes out very disappointed and just starts to
spk_0 slowly try to drag it off of the dance floor. Next up, we have robots from a head form. And
spk_0 this is these are two robots that are I would refer to as a sexy is the wrong word, but like a
spk_0 luring maybe there's a female in a male and they're definitely going for something very specific.
spk_0 This kind of feels like the humanoid form of what the Groc AI assistant is trying to be.
spk_0 The female is very like ethereal looking and elf like in the male is against very deep brows.
spk_0 But what's interesting about this is we don't see this a lot, but these are like semi realistic
spk_0 faces being put on these humanoid robots. And when you pull back, you see like the exoskeleton
spk_0 and all the stuff there. But now we're starting to get to that stage where we're trying to make
spk_0 these a little bit more human like what is your first thought when you see these videos?
spk_0 I mean, what's what's the maximum order per household? That's what I want. Oh wow.
spk_0 How many are they limiting me by? Do they make one that I can just wrap around a room?
spk_0 You know, I've got so many I don't need it to have like some arms. You don't. Wow. That's
spk_0 interesting. You just want to torso. You want to torso. I need one capability. That is
spk_0 s**t. We're going to talk about one last robot here. Well, please believe.
spk_0 Just do me a favor and give a nice long belief. This is the skilled AI robot and this is
spk_0 another version where those robots that's out there showing off what it can do physically.
spk_0 This Kevin is doing parkour and what I thought was really interesting about this video is
spk_0 it's doing parkour but like in quotes, right? It's one of those things I saw somebody underneath
spk_0 that putting the office gif of like Steve Carell's character doing parkour. But like you see a kind of
spk_0 gently jump up and like I kind of find that I might connect with these robots at some point in
spk_0 this world. I would love them to have like kind of like goofy personalities because if I was like
spk_0 having one of these in my house and he was outside practicing parkour, I went out there and be like
spk_0 that's pretty fun man. That's what I'd like to see you be doing. I don't care about you cleaning
spk_0 up my house. I just want to see you get better at this little thing in your life. You know?
spk_0 Oh, that laundry's unfolded but oh dude nice vault. Yeah. Exactly. I can't wait to go with this.
spk_0 I'll be recording this for your TikTok channel. Actually that would be amazing if you had a robot
spk_0 in your house and like it suddenly got a spark of AGI and instead of like doing the work you wanted
spk_0 it to do, it tried to become an influencer on its own. I just want to learn the bass guitar and
spk_0 stream on Twitch. If you have a story like that with a robot in your house, come find us.
spk_0 All right, buddy, that is it for this week. We will see you next week when more stuff happens in
spk_0 the ice space. Peace out y'all. Hey, go play and then, chat.