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Billy’s Psilocybin Journey — The Science, The Shaman, The Self
In this episode of 'Billy’s Psilocybin Journey,' host Billy Bush shares his transformative experience with psilocybin, exploring the depths of his mind and emotions. Guided by experts, he ...
Billy’s Psilocybin Journey — The Science, The Shaman, The Self
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That is the man who guided me on my first ever
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Silasibon journey it was the most profound thing I've ever done in my life
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I felt like a one-legged duck swimming in circles and I got the clarity that I needed it inspired this show to
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It is all about the Silasibon journey which I did and they say the journey is the one you need
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Not the one you want so I went on a Silasibon journey
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I have taken mushrooms before in college and giggled and laughed and felt fuzzy but you know
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I was afraid if all the skeletons in my closet came tumbling out
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I'd probably land in a permanent state of like
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Psychotic paralysis or something so you know I didn't want a short circuit all the things that could go wrong
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Maybe you know including your basic panic attack wood so I never went far but
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Then I met a guy on a plane
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Now we'll get to him in a second, but let me read from my journal a week before I embarked on this journey
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Here's what I wrote
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What I'm after is clarity resolution peace within me
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I've gotten so accustomed to listening to the advice and wisdom of others
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I've lost my own direction. I've become emotionally and psychologically
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dysregulated and sadly have hurt people in my life by my actions and in actions alike
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I feel like the clock on saving the quality and productivity of my life
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career and relationships has sort of run out of ticks
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It's time to stop running away and drop into the shoot of my mind and work out all the trauma
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I've so much to work out my mission is clear
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Find forgiveness for myself and others and connect deeply and faithfully with my purpose
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My meaning in life
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With the best of intentions. I think I was a good father
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But not the best parent I told my kids things I told them I didn't teach them
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A hundred percent of good parenting is showing a child why something is wrong helping them understand it
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That means extra time getting on their level. It's a it's a thousand times harder
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Pete what my dad told me right to my kids. I carry
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My two free loading dead weight companions guilt and shame around with me wherever I go
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For almost 10 years now probably longer
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My relationships with my children aren't deep enough to me
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They're good
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But not deep enough
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And I will say I've turned to alcohol to numb for a long time
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Um, and guess what it doesn't work
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Uh, I've wallowed in a push-pull dynamic with everyone who loves me divorce and
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Falling you know in love with another person
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Uh
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Unhinged me from the only anchors I knew and now I don't know where to be honestly since the since the greatest source of suffering is indecision
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I'm afraid that happiness so far kind of eludes me, but you know happiness. What is happiness?
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I guess I should say meaning
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The violence of uh of cancellation and public shaming you know hurt me deeply um being
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Ripped away uh my livelihood being torn away through me into
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Fight or flight. I did all I could do to calm or numb that frenzy, but I never
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Healed
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I added new traumas on top of lifelong unresolved the trauma the old stories of my past replay in my head
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Can you relate to that?
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And our thoughts are our destiny
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The idea to embark on a journey through my heart, mind and soul began over Labor Day weekend in
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Cordillane Idaho I ran into a guy I'd played pickleball with several times named Adam
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I learned that he was flying back to Los Angeles on the Sunday of Labor Day
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I was desperate to avoid having to take a 7 10 a.m. flight out of Spokane, Washington
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The next morning so I mentioned you know, hey can I go with you
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And I did so in the car
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Uh to the airport um, I told him a lot of guys were enjoying the mushroom gummies on the golf course
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Some of the little kick of MDMA
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And he lit up he said look, I don't drink. I don't smoke and I've never taken drugs
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But psilocybin is a hundred percent good for you
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Physically biologically emotionally and psychologically
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So this man this very successful investor had done the research. He said it's pure fact anyone who truly knows
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Who studied the effects agrees a hundred percent the only naysayers are critics
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Or critics are are those who have not studied the science or have an opposing agenda
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This kind of silo of a man came alive in seconds
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And I will say he's the most electrifying intense engaging speaker I've ever encountered the assurance of Tony Robbins
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But he's not selling anything. He just wants to see more people set free
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So I committed right then and there to going on a journey
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and
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A real one five to six hours into my past
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To clear away scar tissue address the depression and forge a new totally fulfilling path ahead
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So Adam connected me to
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Louisa and and doctor Elon
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And the couple who will serve as my guides and he told me you know
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Louisa came to this work at a sheer necessity when she was 40
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She lost her three children and husband and an accident
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devastation
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She healed
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And if she can then
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We all can
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The patterns I learned and have lived with have led me to a to a dead end
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I only know how to cope and numb the pain. I'm and I'm ready to fix that
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I want the rest of my days to be the best of my days for me and all those who were entwined in this life with me at 53
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I'm on a journey to discover myself sees control of my life and my purpose
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Less than a week after parting company with psilocybin's greatest advocate
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I spoke with Louisa and Elon for what would be an onboarding call
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He he was amazing. He came to his marriage late. He'd been called to care
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For Louisa in her grief as the best friend of her husband many years later
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He got lost but ultimately found his way back to her with a spiritual forceful energy that welled up in him during a journey
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Dr. Elon will
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Will join us momentarily and hearing it from him will warm your heart
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So I'm stuck right unable to move forward in in love and relationship because the past is kind of holding me hostage
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I got to take the hero's journey
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Now Elon is an is an older Israeli man who has medical training as a chiropractor
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But his true life's you know work lies in the magical healing of psilocybin. He swears by it
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It works
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With his permission. I recorded some of our onboarding call
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And as he shared the process I shared my concerns
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The releasing of self-control and the panic the fear that may come with that simply the fear of letting go
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Of submission all the intelligence in the world doesn't compare to what wisdom has to offer
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And that's what this plant medicine does and brings you to a state of wisdom
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It brings you into state of what we call Christ consciousness where compassion kindness forgiveness benevolence
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You know the feeling of love like when you fall in love for the first time that you wake up to it every day
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Every day is a new way of expressing yourself every day is a new way of creating
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It's an opportunity for life to be unfolding and for you to watch the unfolding as opposed to you know
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having to do something to make something happen
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And that's the beauty of this work in a nutshell. It's really you know, it's we call it the School of Mystery
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All right now a full six days after that initial conversation about the journey
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And on a morning where the hangover from several cocktails the night before had me annoyed by everything that was going on with the
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significant person in my life arguing over petty details
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engaging in the push if you will of the push pull I knew I should go see them sooner rather than later
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So I texted
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Dr. Elon and I said just thinking would next Thursday on 9 11 work
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He responded right away as if as if he was waiting for me. Yes, we can
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Let's start around 12 30
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Couple nights before departure on the plane
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I watched the psilocybin episode of how to change your mind by Michael pollen on Netflix
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It was about the healing power of mushrooms
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The effects that neuroplasticity the paving of new neural pathways in the brain
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The effect that it can have on your happiness. I watched cancer patients overcome the fear of death
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Through a deeper spiritual realization they saw themselves as just a small part of something bigger
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And interconnectedness that brought comfort
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I watched a young father break down in tears of joy and relief at overcoming his crippling
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OCD full stop
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He saw his life in the kaleidoscope and realized he had choices
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over his impulses and he healed
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These stories prefaced by the origin of the magic mushroom
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Believe that these things are here growing out of the ground for a reason
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It lessened my anxiety over volunteering for a journey that would require submission
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and a loss of control
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Then I watched Dr. Joe dispends a discuss the science of changing your mind
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Our thoughts control our brains. They feed it information which uses it to fire off synapses
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I you know think positive things and it fires off positive energy back to the brain
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Good and bad the mind and the brain are locked in a feedback loop. What you feed the system is your destiny
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So I flew to the east coast for something I knew I could do right here in Los Angeles
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But for this I wanted you know seasoned professionals
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Guiding me with with maximum support and comfort because you look I'm anxious
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Perhaps nervous about what I might encounter
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I also knew having traveled so far, you know, I wouldn't let fear overcome me and and hit eject
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So I arrived to this spectacular home a sanctuary
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Everything was in balance
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There was coziness on the stove in the kitchen
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Louisa in her dark shades and leggings and a black blazer greeted me at the door
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Shit, I'm crying right now. I wrote in my journal loaded with empathy and love for this woman as I look back on her
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And her amazing husband who are healing people deeply
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We all need it
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It's not a party or a dopey trip like in college. This is how you dive deep into your conscious mind and clear hurdles and break through the walls our traumas have erected
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As I write I'm bawling my eyes out in silence at 6.30 a.m. aboard my first flight home from the journey to Atlanta
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I'm thinking about the people
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Who my encounter to long the journey through through my mind and memories
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Here's what happened
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Louisa and I spoke for an hour about my life she fished for my reason for being there my intention. I offered her
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Everything I could she listened carefully and and met it with her own admissions of trauma in her life
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I and quickly felt you know very much at ease
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assured that I was in the right place and for the right reason
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She shared with me a chart showing the stages of our lives
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The traumas we encourage children even you know the simplest ones take deep route between the ages of you know zero and seven
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You know you got the christmas present you wanted um your brother didn't think of the the trauma that the brother at four years old says
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Well, why am I not good enough seems small and simple and silly but they're real
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And they they add up
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So I took two capsules of plant medicine sassafras and something else and um
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Louisa said I had 40 minutes before the effects would begin to take hold so we walked outside and visited her garden
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Beautiful. I was nervous though, you know my heart was sort of palpitating a little bit in the garden is and
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You know for what was to come
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She handed me off to her husband Elon
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Who guided me to his gazebo out back above the pool it was peaceful
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I started to feel some heartburn though for which Elon who's you know had had training in this area had the perfect remedy
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He rubbed my so as he massaged my adrenal glands and amazingly it all abated
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So laying down would be okay
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The first but by far not the most profound bit of healing was right there
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In a in a chiropractic set
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Once back inside the sanctuary he gave me two more capsules and said
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It's time to lie down
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Nothing profound occurred for about 15 minutes and um I lay there and
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And it's just as I was about to say you know what I might need more
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Like people have said with edibles before oh no, you don't need more a warm heat came over my body and just
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whoosh I dropped
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Into the journey
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It began the music like this Amazonian
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Raim forest blend um led the way
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The journey followed the music
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Or the music led the journey and I began to encounter the ones I love and who love me
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I immediately encountered a very special person a kindred spirit from my past sort of maybe the yang to my ying
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perhaps
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But a bit to my dismay
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It was brief that encounter I thought it was I was like well this must be insignificant because
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The journey was taking me elsewhere
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I saddened me a bit I wanted to go back
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Uh, surely the journey had made a mistake
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You know this couldn't be well
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Let's just say the journey knows what it's doing and I had other people to encounter first
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It was all part of this grand miraculous magical plan
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So I went to my ex-wife first um
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And and and then my eldest daughter I saw them
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Really happy
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mom and a warm vibrant home
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music
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You know great food great people the center of the universe
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Uh in this in this beautiful town
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um
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It was it was amazing
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My daughter who's you know, it's gone through some some things in her life some traumas
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As many have um I see
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I saw clearly in a in a cute sweater her hair full and beautiful seated with friends and children running about the yard
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My little warrior was gonna try them for her over the over the demons uh and in life and and live
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The life she dreams of and tears just poured down my cheeks right underneath the eye mask
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It was it was such a joyous relief
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And then my brother
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You know, I saw him first as a little boy so earnest and desperate to please our parents, but uh
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But kind of feeling a little ignored and unseen
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And I sort of remembered that you know, because I think I was a little more uh
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Boystress and they had to pay more attention to me
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And then I it dissolved and I saw the man he is today resilient compassionate
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Still earnest, but you know deeply loving
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Warm tears again rolling down my cheeks and then my other two daughters the middle child because you know nothing troubled her in a pronounced way
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We kind of when she was young concluded our attention like what happened with my brother, you know more urgently needed with the other
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two and
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You know, I sort of felt this feeling of love and compassion and empathy
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She needs me to acknowledge that to validate and address with her the many anxieties and worries that she has about the world and and and how to build a life that's fulfilling and
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You know and frankly pays for itself right kids these days don't have what
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You know they it's gonna be harder to to do better than your parents for this generation
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But it was clear to me, you know to be more present
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Uh with her and then my little one, you know, I've been accused of favoring her when she was little you know, cuddling her more than the others
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and um
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You know when when our marriage dissolved my my actions that you know
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precipitated my part in it
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I heard her deeply
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I saw like you know this but I saw this deep love for me
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So her her disappointment in me was stemming from that intense love that she had for me and so it just
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I saw her craving my attention, you know a bit territorial over me
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It was beautiful. I resolved to never feel like, you know
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She wasn't the apple of my eye her life and career, you know, I saw this
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I saw this flash because she's so smart that her life would be vibrant and and but that she will need my presence
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and and then a big one
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Hello dad
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My father died four years ago and everything about his death was beautiful
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I was there with him
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Alone in his bedroom when when he took his last breath
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I love my father intensely and admired him maybe to a fault
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A man who saw life, you know, in actually a very sort of black and white way assuing
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You know nuance to the
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To the commandments, you know
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in the bible and and and any exceptions to the rules, you know
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He just had to have that prism of right and wrong and black and white and it had a tremendous hold on me
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He did and my divorce was a source subject between dad and me
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He was against it. He was disappointed in my inability to see the marital covenant through
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He was he was a stick it out no matter what guy
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and and this has been a great source of my indecision and sort of
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Pain, you know over the last nine years like
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Had a hard time moving forward with anyone else a terrible spin cycle of indecision and unhealthy sort of anxious avoidant
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Pushpull behavior
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Began with others as I tried desperately to keep all options close to me in case, you know
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Things all of a sudden became clear. I couldn't pick a direction
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something did become clear
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As I encountered my amazing father I saw him though in his entirety right and honest morally structured man, but
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limited
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You know, he grew up the son of an austere father and a saintly mother
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He was one of five children he made no major mistakes in life because he never allowed himself to experiment and fail too far
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He was a he was a song and dance man a performer who got cold feet and ran off to business school when he convinced himself
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He couldn't make it no doubt. He he peered curiously through the window
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Of that box, but the tight walls around him rendered him you know long on on rules and advice, but short on experience
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I felt a compassion for the little boy that dad was you know who only did what he was taught was right
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And then he passed it down without nuance to his to his sons
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No blame, you know, that's that happens
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Almost in most cases, I guess
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I realized that I could love my dad fully, but
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Make my own rules
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Set my own code of values and just frankly be my own man
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It was fabulous resolution. It was emotional
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And then I saw my mom I saw their relationship
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I saw my mom for the stalwart amazing woman that raised us and I cried deeply for her
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And then the first person I encountered in the journey came back that brief little
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interaction that ended so quickly
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Well now it was time and a warm feeling came over me
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There she was in a in a in a white house with a wrap around porch and
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the tone and energy in the house kind of matched
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Her relentless positive energy and there were kids all over the place older kids
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having fun
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I don't know if that image and that vision is literal
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But that energy
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You know that that full house of love and fun are definitely in my future
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I see it I feel it and I'm will welcome it when it arrives and work towards it
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So that journey told me to send a text and I did
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Um, I'll leave the meaning of the text
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uh to me um
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And there is when I stopped
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writing
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On this flight back to Los Angeles a little over three weeks ago
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But on that flight I felt uh totally at peace
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Resolved to do the work between this journey and the next which is reading books
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That speak about life's meaning and always going forward and never looking back
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I began with Victor Frankl's man search for meaning the next book is feeling is the secret by Neville Goddard
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The work is to keep exercising these new neural pathways
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In my mind
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I'm pretty sure when the pieces are in place
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Dad will look down and he will get it
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He will admire my decisions and know that they were right
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He may be rigid but he ain't cold
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So
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Coming up a
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Functional medical doctor the man I spoke of he's he's the guide the facilitator
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He walked me through my journey
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I've great love for this man and the healing that he is doing in people's lives and then
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The neurosurgeon will come in the data the science
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These are all important what the state of of where this
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This healing medicine is in our country stay with me on this journey
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Who but first a word about Ali our family dog who's so great they named a company after him
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Kind of area is that's when we first got him
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Yeah, just eating that grass. I know you're gonna fart like crazy if you keep doing it cut it out Ali
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Dogs deserve our best. They are part of our family aren't they
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Well the bushes have Ali and there's Ali is a little puppy
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But he's a big dude now he loves to swim he likes the hot tub
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He likes to sit on people like it like he's a sheep who you're not a sheep who you're a hundred pound golden retriever
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Well, I am so pleased to welcome the man who helped me through this journey
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A functional medical doctor whose own personal experience in his life led him to his own healing
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He knew at that point. I have got to pass this gift on to other people and through
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A new friend of mine and someone Elon is known for a long time our paths connected and he got to pass it on
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To me, it's it's amazing to see you again, sir, and I ask you just as bluntly as I can what
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happened to me
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Well
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Well
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You had an experience that kind of brings you into a particular state
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Which we call the higher state. It's the state that we were born into
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It's the state that was there prior to the development of our ego
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personality
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That led us to believe in the world is a particular way
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That we now had to keep proving that the world is that way
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What you had as an experience was to now show you that whatever it is that you made decisions about in your life
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May not have been an accurate description of what it was that actually happened
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But that what you did was come found the two domains of
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That what happened and the story that I associated with what happened and what happens is that the story started to dissolve
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These particular stories that we made up as true to whatever the experience was we find out that maybe it doesn't have the merit that I thought it would
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You know, I I've seen a therapist, you know since I was 14 years old on and off and for the past
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Nine years or so. I find myself ever since a career trauma
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And a little bit of childhood trauma. We talked about
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Some trauma in the marriage some you know all the traumas throughout my life
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I always find that with the therapist I kind of go in every week and have the same conversation
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I pay four hundred dollars. I come back the next week. We have the same conversation and nothing really happens
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And so I when I explain it to people
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I say well the answers are within are in me
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They're in me and I'm having a hard time
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Accessing them like there's this wall of scar tissue from experiences that I just can't get over and the plant medicine
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um, and we had four capsules, you know, it that it just got me over that wall and into this
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State of mind where everything that's in me all the answers that are in me and the connections that are in me just kind of
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Port out and I could I could I did have access to them um and I just want to you like it
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How how does that how do we open up like that because of these plants and why in the world isn't everyone
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Opening up like that
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Well those that have the experience do open up that way
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I haven't seen a person yet who has done this that
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Didn't ultimately come in with some sort of trauma like you had experiences. I mean
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It's hard to go through life and not have had
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Some sort of either micro trauma or big trauma
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um, and then once these plants which are considered to be hard openers like mistletoe and uh, uh, you know
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chocolate cacao cacao simmer ceremonies also open up the hardness is why in Valentine's Day
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We have uh chocolate to offer in the face of you know love
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Uh, mistletoe kissing under the mistletoe also that myth is that mistletoe also has these components within them
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That allow the heart to feel something that has been
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Constricted within us
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Uh, you know, it's hard to be vulnerable in the world that tells you to toughen up and uh, you know, this is a way that we're brought up
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In a culture
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The doesn't allow for us to feel anymore and you see a lot of people taking antitip
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presence anti anxieties
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And feel even less than they did before they took this medicine although it gives them a feeling of calm
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And uh in that calmness uh, they think everything's okay, but it's a false sense of calmness
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Uh, these hard openers allow you to feel again
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They allow the heart brain which has as much serotonin and dope amine and uh
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other actually
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So many different feel good chemicals in the body that are released at this juncture and um
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This is where the plants do their magic. They've been around for thousands of years
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Uh, and they have this capability of revealing truth that lives within cider beach and every one of us
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You say you told me it's gonna when you come here
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You'll get the journey you need not the one you want. It's the most powerful thing I ever heard and I told you afterwards
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I got both
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The journey I wanted also I mean maybe and everyone doesn't get that but the one I wanted ended up being the one I needed
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So at least I was very in tune with myself as to as to what I needed resolution on and I you know um
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Two two figures in my life one you know a trauma from when I was eight years old the sexual trauma and then a
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And then a character in my professional life who who
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You know put me through a terrible thing and I thought oh boy
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This is gonna be terrible when I and I ended up having compassion for both transgressors for both people
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I ended up feeling this like
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Oh, I saw in a different light a sadness almost for them and
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That I did not expect but I certainly welcome I welcome a softer hearted every turn
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Yeah, you were introduced to what's called Christ consciousness
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And that Christ consciousness has the characteristics of forgiveness
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kindness generosity gratitude love
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Uh, these things are the expressions of the heart and once you learn how to express yourself
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From the heart you realize that people are just people they're not doing things to you
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Like you become a victim of them as one of my mentors one said you know that
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With every breakdown there is a following breakthrough and
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This is what happens to so many of us that you know
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You lose a job that you've been wanting to leave for years and uh finally you lost it and universe helped you out
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And the next thing is the door of sudden the whole universe opened up for you
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So these are the importance of having breakdowns and these particular traumas they lead us into being the best person
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The best burst variation of ourselves
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So uh, you know, we often frown upon and we dwell upon all these things these mishaps in our lives
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These incidences that leave us feeling wounded only to find out that they were great teachers
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Yeah, I'm reconnecting with him
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Who helped me through this psilocybin journey
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um
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Which uh was the most profound thing I've I've ever experienced in my life um
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And
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You know
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You told me something after like two weeks later you said uh, I said what do I do now? We we had a bunch of books to read about the human
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I mean in the middle of victor frankles man's search for meaning
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Um, I'm enjoying that. I mean here's a person who could see
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Because you sold to me keep two feet in the future Billy stop telling yourself the same old stories let the old stories go
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Keep two feet in the future not one in the future one in the past
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and and go forward towards the new
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future
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you
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And I thought wow victor frankle could do this at Auschwitz
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You know, and I certainly you know his trauma with deeper than mine. I can
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I can do this in my life is that is that really the key
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For everyone once they release to keep to keep only going forward
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Listen, you know the past is dead. You can't do anything about the past
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What you can do is keep reliving the past and be condemned to the past and the stories of the past
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Or put your attention to
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where it is that you could possibly now
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Go to a model that you can create
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Within your own imagination of who you could be who you're born to become and all those incidences in your life
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You can't discuss them because they're tainted with false
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images false perceptions things that uh we make up about the what the what happened
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So keeping two feet the future stops you from being contaminated by the stories of your past
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How did you come a how did psilocybin and and and plant medicine um
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Effect your life. What happened in your life that you
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Stopped on a dime and decided to help other people with this
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Well, you know there's a lot of uh things that I can share with you about what
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happened
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Starting from early life of being born to holocaust survivors
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certainly was a trauma
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uh, you know because it was early on in the 50s that
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You know I started to recognize
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Certain elements of my parents energy which I took on and a lot of them were in sorrow sadness loss and I just didn't know it
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That you know all this uh for side of being a happy person that deep inside of me. There was some profound sadness
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Uh having transitioned from one country to another was another kind of a micro trauma
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Where it didn't speak the language and had to learn how to acclimate to a new way of being
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In the world that was different than where I came from
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uh, and then you know being made fun of and
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Not feeling a part of society the way you know some kids just come in and can feel grounded in relationships
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I didn't feel that way
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uh then growing up uh, I think some of the traumas that really made the a bit difference in my life
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uh was when my best friend and uh
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His three children
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Uh got killed in a car accident
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And I was very close to them and to the wife and six months after the accident we were married
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Uh, within two and a half years we had four children two of them twins
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Uh, but marrying her uh, we both shared a common trauma didn't realize that what it was called was PTSD
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It took its toll on our relationship and somewhere about 20 years in
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I think both of us had enough of uh of not being able to resolve
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Even though we've had a lot of background studies and Buddhism and Kabbalah and Bible existentialism
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With great masters, but none of it was able to pierce the veil of the pain and the suffering that was there
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One day I got an invitation from one of my patients who happens to be a philanthropist
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He travels around the world
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Inviting me to come meet a shaman and I had no idea what that meant meeting this person
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But I found myself
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involved in a ceremony a sacred ceremony
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uh
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With unknown people
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And really having such a profound experience
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That I really saw so much of whatever
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All the traumas that I've been exposed to
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I needed to number one heal them, but I understood the
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biblical ramifications of the pain and the suffering that humanity is now going through
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Not only now, but in the past and this is the time for healing to occur in the world
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And these plants are the allies to that healing
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And being a doctor who's always been a seeker for the cause of
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You know what it is that that is a major factor of all of our illnesses
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I came to the notion that what was really going on is that we've all become very
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despirated
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Uh, and I remember back in the eighties where they were discussing about the
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uh mind body connection
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And it never dawned on me at that time
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That what was really clear for me later on was that I always saw the triangle of the mind body spirit
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And that what happened was that spirit was hijacked so the mind collapsed over the body
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And once the spirit is restored
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Uh, then and part of the journey work is so retrieval
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They say that parts of our soul fragments and just the retrieval of that
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Allows us the full expression of what it means to being human
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So without spirit, you know, and to see so many people they're dismayed
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They're unhappy. They're not fulfilled. They're feeling empty
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They're feeling the void in their lives and like you said waking up to the same way of being every day
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That keeps creating the same outcomes every day
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This really does intrude into that and has people awake and to seeing that there's some other place within me
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Where I can access that being and become that person that I was born to become you say
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Plant medicine healed your your marriage had healed your relationships had healed what was inside of you
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um and and
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Did that happen from the very first experience?
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Like what I felt was a real change and a real I saw the future
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I saw things that I couldn't get out of my own way
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They say the worst form of human suffering is indecision
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I have been in a state of indecision on relationship
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uh career in so many ways I just like a little
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Like a one-legged duck swimming in circles, you know what I mean? I just it just and then I saw
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Love I saw what's out there. I saw the person I want to be I had reconciliation with my father who
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You know was kind of heavy on me about the divorce and you know who just lived in a very dead and I and I felt such compassion and love for him
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Because of his morals and his integrity
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But I also saw that it was a bit limited in that you know, you can go forward and you can
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You know experience love. Why why waste the rest of your life
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Saying I should have done this. I should have done that. Oh darn and it holds you back. It's just
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trapped in hell, but you you did you go forward from the first experience?
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I feel like the first was profound, but I also don't feel like the work is done
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The first journey definitely showed me promise
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And yes, the promise that first of all if I can see my wife differently
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that
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It was very interesting because the message that I had received when I asked well what about my marriage and the answer came
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I gave you your wife now. What do you want to do with a gift from me?
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And I said oh wow, well that certainly puts a
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A twist to this and I realized how much I really had to value her and not look for her to be okay
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You know the for me to be okay
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I saw that I needed to be okay
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And then she'll be able to be okay from there. I think the journey it's the definitely for some people probably says let her you know
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To a certain relationship you might feel this deep sense of
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I love this person, but
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They'll do better without me you can lead to release somebody
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and also
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And or heal with somebody in your case, you know the latter which
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There are exceptions always you know that there's always going to be somebody who resists the work
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You know, it's not like the plant medicine is going to do the work for you. It just reveals things for you
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It's it's up to you know you in order to be able to then
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Take the experience of the journey because the real work is between the journeys and that work means that you have to be able to observe your tendencies
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You have to be able to see where you are creating whatever it is that's showing up and if you don't like what you're seeing
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Create something different you have that capacity to create life as you want
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It's called the manifestation now most of us manifest life as a problem
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Then when you see that life is not a problem things aren't happening to you, but they're happening for you
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Then you have access to some shift in your own consciousness take responsibility
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For all that's in your life that you have something to do with it all yeah
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That's it all these all these people you see on Instagram these like manifest it people
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You know, they're not wrong. We are definitely our thoughts right if we repeat the same thoughts
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We were but we are the one like a ducks swimming in circles
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But what the journey did for me what plant medicine did for me was let me see
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my amazing capacity for love and for
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this future of
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forgiveness and love and compassion and
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You know once you see it and you feel it so deeply. I remember hot tears just pouring down underneath this mask
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And do you remember I got up I said I was thinking it was about an hour long and I was was almost five hours
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And I looked up I lived up my mask and you were sitting there and I said um
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I think you may have saved my life and you went oh
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Well, that's nice
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That's nice to hear and I said how long was that you said I said about an hour
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He said ma'am almost five. I said oh my god
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Because I remember saying I don't want to come out of here. I saw the potential
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for love and and and compassion and connectivity with people in my life
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And it was the most positive I've felt in
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10 years what you say is
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Absolutely right. It's the work in between you can go back and do another journey
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But in between it's training these these neural pathways
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You're opening pathways that are new new ways of thinking and feeling
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And now you got to exercise them just like a muscle in the body right?
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A little bit
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Absolutely
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Listen, you know
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Billy you're one of those uh who really the amount of pain that you've endured in your life to the degree that you've had that much pain
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Typically what we see people like that when they come out of this they have the most profound outcomes
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They really never want to go back to that pain again
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And you took on to this like a duct water speaking of ducks going circles. You're not going in circles anymore. No, they're new
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Yeah, you're you're you're you're one of the amazing
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Journiers
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Truly because in that one session if you were able to see that your life was saved and who saved that was you
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Yeah
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And not only did you save your life, but you'll wind up saving a lot of lives around you
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as a result of that and
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You know
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They call this the heroes journey because what you do is you get to see that you're no longer the victim of your life
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But you're actually the hero of this journey and for the rest of your life that's the
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Grow you're gonna be taking on in terms of how you feel and see yourself
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my friend and
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A man who's helped me in this journey to heal and to become
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Everything you are meant to be
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I appreciate it so much
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I want to end with this question because it's leading me to where I'm going next and that is
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Is the reason why this is not accessible to people? Is it because big pharma can't make money off of it because
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I think economics is a big part of it. I think fear is also an element here where people afraid of
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something that is
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Contracultural and
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Counterintuitive which this medicine really is while you should be having this stain for some of the people
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That wronged you all of a sudden
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You know, you're having compassion. You're having a
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Recognizable, you know feeling of maybe
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They're not so bad or maybe that this was meant to be you have forgiveness in your heart
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This is not typical of the way that people are in the world
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How you come out of this is that you broken through the cultural
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Already always way of being in the world where I should resent and I should be bitter and I should be
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retaliatory and I should be angry and I should discard this relationship
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You know, you have great value from this stuff, but why it's not you know
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Known and accepted by so many people, you know
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A lot of it has to do with the history of the plan medicine and how people were fearing it and not knowing what
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What would happen to them what they freak out? Well, they lose it. Well, they have to you know go nuts
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People don't know that this is the most gentle form of healing that's ever been produced on this planet
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And I you know as I often say it's like sitting on the Dalai Lama's lap and being food
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Uh spoon-fed love
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It is the most beautiful, you know, and I've seen young children come out of this so healed out of one session
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That you really you want to cry because you you you you see the gift that these planets
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And how they can produce such a powerful healing which you know for me was my big question life was that I always had to find the cause of all this
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Uh, damage that's been done to people and uh and to 45 years of my practice
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I never came across anything like this Billy. We will continue our conversations, but I thank you
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For spending some time with me here. You are the greatest. Thank you. Thank you, Billy, and I love you. I love you too
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Thank you
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Well, what a guy what a guy and you know, I mean I I have to say I think I
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think
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This has to be in my view
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Accessible, I think you're if you're listening right now you're curious
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For sure and I can tell you the you know the profound effect
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It's had on me, but uh, but we go forward. I mean, I don't have every answer right now
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But I do have an experience that I could never get
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Um from any therapist and I did touch upon
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I touched upon the big pharma. They can't make money off something that grows in the ground and the people you know who are
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Or running it they have their own traumas in there. I mean think about all the focus we have in our lives right now on AI
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Everything's AI. Well, I have a question for you
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How's your AI
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How's your emotional intelligence? What's happening inside there? I
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That's where
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The healing is that's where that's where the joy is right doing you feel like is more technology? We have in our lives the less happy we are
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That happiness is in there. I can promise you. It's just like you you got to get to it and um
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You know look not to not to crap on therapists. I'm sure there's some great ones out there
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Who have helped people do that for sure? So if you've got the right one that's great
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This happened to just work for me and that's all I'm going to say now on the medical front
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Coming up. We're going to talk to Dr. Dan Kelly who ran a very important psychedelic program psilocybin program
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Here in Los Angeles at one of the major hospitals. He's going to come in studio here and have a conversation about
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What what is the progress? What is the prognosis for this in people's lives?
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Can this happen? Can it get through the government? Can it get through the FDA? Can it become something
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that heals the world
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and more importantly you
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So Dr. Dan Kelly is is on his way
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anxiety depression cancer-related stress post-traumatic stress
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It's everywhere people are suffering and and look you you can treat it
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But research shows you can heal it with psychedelics LSD MDMA iawaska
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psilocybin which of course is my focus today because I took
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The journey and dr. Dan Kelly runs the psychedelic science institute in Los Angeles
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He's a leader in the field. He's not just a believer. He's a knower
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Uh and dr. Dan we welcome you. Thank you so much for being here
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Watch your youtube's I've watched it so much. I feel like I really know you
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um
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We're getting medical here. Well what does psilocybin do?
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Great question. Well
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psilocybin is a serotonin agonist serotonin is one of the neurotransmitters
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in the brain
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and it um activates those serotonin channels and um
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It's still quite controversial exactly how these
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psychedelics work LSD is in the same class what's considered a classic psychedelic
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But basically they work to damp down some of the rheumatative cycles that we all encounter in our
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We all ruminate we all ruminate over the past and things that have happened to us in
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traumas are sort of ego driven
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state of being which is essential for survival but it can become
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Very dysfunctional over time and it seems that uh psychedelics particularly psilocybin and LSD when done in the proper setting with
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Proper support and integration can break some of those cycles and can help people sort of break through to new
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understandings um and new
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perceptions about
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How they're functioning and what they're what they're doing wrong and what they can do what they can do right
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You know, this is this is exactly what happened to me and and i was watching one of your youtube's you talked about the you know this ego dissolution
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Event that happens, you know disrupts the default mode network where
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We all worry about the future we fret over the past
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Rumination, you know occurs we stay in this same you know like i like one like it ducks swimming in circles just over and over again
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Silocybin shuts that network down
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Um, allows people to to get out of that rut and it's this concept of neuro plasticity right?
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I mean you you you get over this wall
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I liken it to the scar tissue that just kind of we all gather
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From our experiences in life and it's just hard to get over the wall psilocybin seems to break
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through that to where you can
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and
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imagine and and feel and open your mind and open your heart
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Let an empathy let an love new meaning new perspective
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And and it's that neuro plasticity where these are neural pathways that are new
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Right that we we have not let the brain evolve what psilocybin does is actually
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Let the brain grow
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Yes
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Very well said and they're all of the psychedelics are neuroplacidants and they actually change the structure and the function
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Of the brain and so it happens transiently while you know people have their experience say a four or five six hour psilocybin journey
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It damps down that default mode network and it allows all these different parts of the brain that don't normally communicate to
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communicate and through that these these new perspectives and these epiphanies
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Can occur and it can allow people to deal with and cope with their problems whether it's a drinking issue
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It's terminal cancer. It's depression. It's anxiety
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Um, and that's that's how we think they work and um, it's a it's a fascinating area that we still don't know a lot about
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We don't know the the functionality per se but we're learning quite a bit through you don't know what what why why it does this
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I mean that's the mystery right we say magic mushrooms there
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But it but they grow out of the ground. So you know, maybe we're not maybe you and all of your incredibly smart
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colleagues
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Are never gonna know we might not know and you know consciousness is a is a mystery unto itself
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And um as to why we're conscious and how we became conscious beings
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That's a huge mystery and why these psychedelic compounds that are occur naturally in the in on the planet
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Why they impact our brain so fundamentally for these short bursts of time
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That is a huge
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Open question um and part of the fun of of being a neuroscientist in a mental health researcher
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Why this field is is so interesting right now and to get government cooperation do you have to know
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I mean these are data driven people right? So do you have to be able to explain to them? You know, why this because
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You know in my mind I just think this could help so many millions and millions of people right
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I don't think the FDA cares so much about the mechanism per se how do they actually work at a molecular level
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They want some of that they want to know that they're safe and that they're effective
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Um and that appropriate precautions are taking are taken when they're given to individuals
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I think that's really what the FDA is focused on as they should be so the communities focused on this as a medical
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You know tool that people can use
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regularly or because you know taken into their own devices
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We were talking you can have a bad trip if you decide oh, I'm just gonna get a hold of psilocybin because it's legal now
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And I'm just gonna take a whole bunch of them and I'm gonna you may not be ready for what's coming for what's gonna be unearthed in your mind
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Exactly and so these are extremely powerful drugs
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And they need to be taken seriously because people can have a really bad experience they're gonna have a damaging experience if they're not properly prepared
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And if they're they don't have proper what we call integration afterwards sort of the psychotherapy that goes on after the journey
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In which you try to integrate
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What you saw what you experienced and integrate that into your life going forward into the relationships you have
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So it's a it's it's really a process of preparation
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Being in the proper setting the set in setting with the individuals that are doing that are that are guiding you or facilitating
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And then the sort of follow through so it's a it's a whole sort of container of
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Care that goes beyond just say giving an anti-depressant take take your prosak every day
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It's a completely fundamental shift in an approach to mental health and and I think it's it's challenging for the FDA because
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They're used to looking just at drugs per se they approve a drug for like hypertension or diabetes or lipids or for cancer
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But the reason for the success of psychedelics is this psychedelic assisted therapy because it's not done
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By itself that's that's the key thing and I think the FDA is
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Working through that of how they're gonna do that and and it's
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Important for them to consider this because they did reject MDMA a year a little over a year ago
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For PTSD, but there's new phase three trials that are coming through for both
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psilocybin and LSD for depression and anxiety and hopefully those will be approved by the FDA, but we'll we'll see
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Yeah, I did have a of your listener of mine, you know
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Reach out to me on a direct message and say, you know, I make sure you that people understand that these have to be
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done in a setting that is you know intelligent is is well thought out because
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She shared that she you know left her husband and she did all these things that she did right away after a psilocybin journey
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And she says that you know, she's made terrible mistakes and um, so that's real. I mean you that is real and and so
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people need to be counseled both forehand um
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And also not to make any rash decisions immediately afterwards because it takes time for these things to sort of percolate and resonate in your mind to to really
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See where you know, what new direction you might want to go
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You know in the clinical trials that we're doing at psychedelic science institute we um, these are you know all
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Have a lot of rigor from the sponsors the companies that produce the drugs and from the FDA and DEA and it's very rigorous and very
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You know science driven and the and the evidence has to be
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produced in that way for
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The FDA to really look at the data and really determine whether a drug can be approved now
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psychedelics were available in
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Legal right in the 1940s and 1950s way back and 60s and then in 1970 the controlled substance act right I think that was Nixon
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um, and so they shut everything
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Down and it was down for almost 30 years. Yes, so
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You know obviously is did the Timothy Leries of the world and the and the hippies of the 60s ruined the progress
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Could we have been much further along without these you know great seekers and I think
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people like Timothy Liri
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Richard Alpert who's became Ramdas
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Ralph Mezner they were part of the Harvard psilocybin project in 1960 to 1963 and
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They initially had very good intentions. I think Timothy Liri went off the reservation so to speak and and thought it would be something that all of society should just have and I think that's
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That's where it really became a problem and the government had a problem with the counter culture and they saw it getting into the troops
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You know the the armed forces in Vietnam were doing not only psychedelics, but they were doing all sorts of other drugs
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Um, and it just became unmanageable and that's what they did they shut it all down
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um, so it's unfortunate that that happened Timothy Liri did actually do some good though he he was you know
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He started a lot of things that have now continued
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um, and was a big
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Focus big on set in setting this idea of your your mindset and how you do it in the setting that you're in
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So some of that came from from him, but yeah, we lost um, you know
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30 years 20 20 years at least because the the first psychedelic research that began again in the 90s was with
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DMT and then MDMA and then psilocybin in the early 90s and it it's taken a long time to get to where we are now
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So we lost a couple decades for sure
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We're talking to dr. Dan Kelly who runs the psychedelic science institute and we're talking about the medical
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side of of psilocybin and psychedelics you know to treat
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depression anxiety
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PTSD
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well look you the
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Psych psychiatrist will prescribe SSRIs, you know the lexapros and the and the prozacs
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so
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Big pharma
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Has lots of money to make on SSRIs not to get all conspiracy theorist here, but is that part of the holdup part of the
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resistance
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Is that farm pharma can't make money off of things that grow into in the ground
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I don't think we know that big pharma is trying to
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repress this or hold it back
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um, I think that the
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The drug companies that are making
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um, the psychedelics like
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Minemed a tie psilocybin usona
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They're very small companies and they're working through the process
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Um, but it's a hugely different model the the trials that we're doing now for example
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For major depression the patient will take that it's a placebo controlled trial
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So they make it the real thing or they make they make they make it the placebo
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But after the first about 12 weeks
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Then they have four more opportunities over the course of a year to take
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Of a real journey with psilocybin
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Because the FDA is interested in the durability of how long does the drug last and in which which particular patient
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So you go from taking an antidepressant every day to maybe having a journey once twice three times a year
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um to manage your your depression
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And that's a very different
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Business model obviously for the companies producing those those drugs so
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I don't know where it's going to go, but hopefully
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The science will lead to the best possible care for individuals suffering from anxiety depression addiction
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PTSD because that's that's really what it should be and I think the problem with ssri's
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And drugs like that is it's basically suppressing your brain
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It's basically tamping your brain down. It's dulling you down. It's a comp the
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The silent it's treating it's not healing exactly and symptoms not root
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And it's really I think psychedelic is this the therapy the ideas to use your whole brain
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You have this amazing brain use it all let the connections work, you know
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Keep the plasticity going that's not what the antidepressants do or the anxiolytics those drugs
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And so it's a again, it's a fundamental shift in the way we would look at mental health
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The other thing that's so interesting me being a neuroscientist is looking at it for neuroscience conditions like traumatic brain injury
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Parkinson's disease
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Chronic pain
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Stroke those are all areas that are
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potential targets of the neuroplasticinic effects psychedelics
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So that's a whole other field that we can be exploring in the coming decades
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What I also found fascinating
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doctor is the
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The fact that's psilocybin MDMA because you said there's serotonin agonists or whatever they're not addictive
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you can't overdose
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At all on psilocybin or you but you can go you can take away too much and have a bad trip or something
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But you can overdose like nothing can happen to you so you can overdose on psilocybin
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LSD you can certainly have a bad trip you can do something really crazy like if you're not in a proper container
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You can think you can fly and jump off a building and those sorts of things have happened
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But not in these clinical trials that that is not happening
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um
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There's some controversy over whether MDMA has some slight addictive potential because it's an amphetamine
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some degree
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ketamine which is a you know off-label psychedelic
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um
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is addictive
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it is addictive um
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And so there is some precautions there but the classic psychedelics have no addictive potential at all
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Why would the ketamine which
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Can be addictive? We know Matthew Perry, you know here in Hollywood of you know famous friends actor
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You know got addicted to ketamine everything else but to ketamine
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And he started taking street ketamine and getting it on his own and it ultimately made him you know
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collapse in his hot tub and he
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And he died why would ketamine be legal and
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um
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And and something that's and it's addictive and something non addictive like psilocybin is still considered a schedule one
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drug
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In America like yes heroin and and they treat it the same way, but it's non-addictive
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Yeah go figure that's amazing well, and you know ketamine has been around a long time
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It's a dissociative anesthetic
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It's used a lot in hospitals and emergency rooms and it's a very effective anesthetic, but it's sub anesthetic doses
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It produces a psychedelic experience
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But it has an addictive angle to it as well
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I think of people with sexual trauma, you know assault rape
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um
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You know what's what's dissociative might be helpful in that regard where you can
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You know pull away from the experience in order to gain perspective, but
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um
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What would be for someone of who's been through that of which there are far too many
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Um, what would be the do you think the right path?
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Well, the certainly the the
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Medicine the psychedelic that has the most of a track record for PTSD any sort of trauma is MDMA
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And MDMA has been around for a long time as well and as we talked it went through
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Two very positive phase three trials, but was rejected by the FDA in the summer of
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2024
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The really interesting thing about MDMA it's a it's much more of a sort of messy psychedelic in that not only is it a serotonin agonist
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But it also stimulates release of dopamine and oxytocin that's why they call it ecstasy
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Which might not be helpful in the fact that we're trying to get this medically to to
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People when you hear ecstasy. It's like
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party drug
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Well, so it's also known as an impatagen and that's probably because it causes the release of oxytocin
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Which is a hormone produced in the brain and the hypothalamus and it's the bonding hormone
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That allows women to feel close to their baby
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And so the thinking is is that people that have been through you know terrible trauma might be rape or work time
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You know
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crime or or trauma
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That the oxytocin allows and the and the and the amping up of cortisol the stress hormone
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allows people to deal with these traumatic experiences during their journey so they can they can have empathy
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toward
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Even toward the person who abuse them
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And fortitude because of the cortisol and it's that thinking that in in that setting
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And again with with the proper guides and facilitators that they can they can face their trauma
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Because of this state that they're in with surges and oxytocin and cortisol and serotonin
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Wow
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It's just
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What do you think what is the what is the prognosis right now as we sit here in 2025? I keep thinking rfk, you know is
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Is our
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You know health and human services
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Guy he's our medical guy
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Trump is looked but he's also a guy that's you know
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Might be open-minded to this kind of thing. I mean is there any
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Word from the government of where we are
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Not yet. I'm not on the inside on that but we're hopeful that he and the FDA will look favorably on the potential of psychedelics
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Right now just based on the clinical trials where they're at
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psilocybin
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is in far into phase three trials with two different two different formulations two different companies for
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Treatment resistant depression and major depression and so they will probably go toward to the FDA for approval
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Hopefully in the next year or so 2027
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LSD is far into trials phase three trials for generalized anxiety disorder
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So lsd would probably be next hopefully if that's if it's positive which it seems like it probably will be
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And then mdma is still sitting there and they may have to do another phase three trial or they the FDA may allow them to go back and
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Re-review the data and they may approve it so
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ideally in three to four years we would have approval of psilocybin LSD and mdma that would be a huge game changer for mental health care
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What can people do who are listening and they know that there's something in their lives that they're not getting from
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You know, maybe the regular weekly visit to the to the couch
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um or the SSRI that they have they just
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Don't feel any passion, you know for life or maybe dull and
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You know what can they do? Well, you know, there are certain states and cities Oregon, Colorado where there's been some legalization of psychedelics particularly psilocybin where it's available
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You know really if you really needed and you're really curious even now you can probably
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Access some type of treatment
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You can you can it yes exactly and the the underground is
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Alive and well and i'm not advocating for the underground but but there are people out there but
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I do need to know what you're doing you need to set in a in intention do not take this on your own and think you're gonna solve your problems
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You need to be with someone that's guiding you and knows as I spoke to you know moments ago you need to have that
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You know that that sort of safety net right there because there's on boarding and then there's off boarding and what happens afterwards
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And we are seeing these days even in our clinic and and others see people that have been harmed by by psychedelics because they were not prepared properly
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Or they maybe had a risk factor i mean people for example with
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schizophrenia or
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family history schizophrenia
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um
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Those sorts of patients or individuals should be very cautious with psychedelic assisted therapy so
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There's a you know there's a lot of potential issues
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But we're we're hoping to
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Thread the needle here and get these get these medicines approved and in the in the not too distant future
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Now the potential is is massive. I mean, I just I know it. I know it in my bones
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um
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Your website is there if if anyone's you know listening right now that that really wants to start educating themselves because that's the first step
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I mean you got to know yes what it is have an understanding and then you really so much anxiety
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I had so much anxiety before I did the journey about you know
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The idea of it first and I'm like well, what if I lose control? What if I you know?
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I don't want to lose control
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We're all trying to hang on so tight to the guardrails in life that you know
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This could be once you start learning about
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What it is that's going to match your intention? I you know
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That all subsides subsides in a in a big way, but
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Can you give us a website address or something? Yeah, I would just say on that the the mantra that we like to use and I'm sure you heard this is trust let go and be open
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um
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Assuming you're with individuals with experienced guides facilitators and and that is it's not easy for us to do
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But that's really kind of the one of the keys to having a a
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A meaningful journey. So um the website for psychedelic science institute is psychedelic psi.com. So it's psychedelic
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sci.com. We have two clinics one in Santa Monica one in Hollywood an amazing team and
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We're doing these clinical trials and we also do ketamine assisted psychotherapy
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So you can learn just the first step is to learn but um
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Dr. Dan I really have Dr. Dan Kelly the psychedelic science institute
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Thank you for all the work you're doing and thank you for talking to me and
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boy, I'll tell you I'm gonna close with a
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A couple of quotes from Carl Young who is fantastic
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I am not what happened to me
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I am what I choose to become
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And that is where all of the hope and potential in psychedelics is to me and then
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The last one is a perfect button and it is the privilege of a lifetime is to become who you truly are
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Well, I just
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Those are beautiful beautiful quotes. Well, thank you billy. Thanks for helping us get the word out and educate the public
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Absolutely
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Dr. Dan Kelly that's it as there's there's my there's our episode here on hot mics. It's a big turn
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but
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But I I believe in it. I believe in it wholeheartedly
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And I know a few lobbyists if you need them down there in that Washington in the in the swamp absolutely
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If you need some muscle, you know what I'm saying
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Thank you so much. Well that that is it for us. Thank you for listening to hot mics
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