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Apple Watch Ultra 3, Alexa, Bad Bunny and Snoopy, on the AppleInsider Podcast
In this episode of the AppleInsider Podcast, hosts William Gallagher and Wesley Hiliat discuss the recent availability of Affinity apps for free on iPad, the end of AOL's dial-up service, and the...
Apple Watch Ultra 3, Alexa, Bad Bunny and Snoopy, on the AppleInsider Podcast
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Hello, welcome to the Avatar to Podcasts, I'm William Gallagher and before anything else,
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if you haven't iPod, please go to the show notes and click the link about Affinity
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because possibly very briefly all of the Affinity apps are available for free on the iPad.
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It's not like it's a mistake but it is definitely the case that all of the software is being
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removed, redacted, a head of canvas, we don't know what update to all of it's coming at the end of
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the month. Bit weird that they're doing it this way but for the moment it means the iPad apps
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have been free to buy. You download them from the links in the app store, you get the free trial
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version then when you go to buy it should say zero dollars and you're away after go but it's not
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going to last and already the Mac versions have long gone. As well as this week, I'm masterclass
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Square and Claude by anthropic more about them later and I am joined by Wesley Hiliat who
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actually I didn't realise this until today, until this very recording, I think you're also an
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affinity user, I'm obsessed with Affinity publisher and my right that you're a fan as well.
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Yes, I use Affinity designer, photos fun, if you need to do a lot of heavy photo editing,
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I actually use photo made for that. Affinity photo I think is a bit more heavy handed in the way
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it does it, it's not like my cup of tea but their designer app is what I need for pixel editing,
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placing layers on top of each other and stuff. So they're very good apps, I've always just
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hoped that a photo or pixel made or pro just make their way to iPad because that would be my preferred
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suite for everything. But yeah, Affinity is great, I'm a little worried though because they were
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purchased by Canva and Canva tends to ruin everything they touch. It's weirdly scary, yes.
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I mean the thing is, if at the end of this month, when October 30th is the special announcement
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that they're going to make, if at that point they say it's all dead and we're just having
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I don't know, Canva designer or something, well that doesn't affect the apps we've got,
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we've still got the tools we have but you know over time they'll become less useful, they'll
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write, not supported, and I just... They'll fade out of resistance. Yeah, I just persuaded
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the charity to switch to it from it. So that could be looking at me a bit funnily in a few weeks.
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Right, they haven't done a liquid glass designer or anything obviously so whatever's coming next,
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I'm guessing it'll be designer four, I think it's three right now. It's gonna be a subscription,
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that's what they're gonna do. It's Canva, that's what's gonna happen, they're gonna offer a
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subscription for their suite of apps, it's gonna be egregious, they're gonna try to compete with a
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Adobe and probably fail because their pricing's probably gonna be, hopefully undercut Adobe but
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probably be close enough that people say I'll just get Adobe and the whole thing's probably gonna
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fall apart and it's gonna be really sad. But hopefully not, because designers been great, it's
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one of the great iPad apps and if Canva ruins it, I don't know what other pixel editor I'm gonna use
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for photos, at least I'll use designer until the current app falls apart but we'll see what happens.
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Should explain that, Chief, anybody who's not become addicted to these apps that are three of them,
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affinity designer, this is crude but you could say it's like Adobe Illustrator, you could say
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affinity photos like Photoshop and you could say publisher is like in design. I think in every case
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you're right but it's underselling them, they are their own things, they just those exact niches
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they fit on every one of the, yeah. One of the advantages of them has been that it's been a one
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off price for each of them while Adobe has been a subscription so we don't know but it does seem
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very likely Canva will remove that and that will make me have to reconsider. The current model is
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affinity photo 2, affinity designer 2 so the next thing would be three, that'll be interesting.
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Should say, actually I'm addicted to it more on the Mac but when I've been away and the fact that
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stuff, client work on magazines and things to have the full thing on your iPad that's been astounding
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actually it's just gorgeous on the iPad so I hope it will continue and at least a good form.
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But we'll find out more about that on October the 30th, somewhat sooner than that. I should tell
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you that Appalienzweather Plus this week, Appalienzweather Plus is the extended ad-free version of this
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podcast and it's special. This time we got a little mini documentary for you about, well I'm not,
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I was going to say about the origins of the iPad but actually it's going back in time to when the
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iPad first appeared and the impact it had on everybody especially Microsoft. You may never have
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heard such petiness from the CEO of Technology Company so these days, who knows, that's later.
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But in the meantime one of the reasons for doing that now is of course that there are rumors
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of a new iPad coming but then we'll get to rumors because there are lots of them this week
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whereas you want to talk about something else that's definitely going away, if that has gone
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away. With this gorgeous title you had mail didn't. So AOL's Dialup Connection has officially ceased.
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We can all probably, well some of us can think back to a time when connected to the internet was
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followed by a series of screeches and loud pings and noises so that the modem could
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audibly communicate with the router and get your, uh, get your, dial up connection to your computer
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at a very, very slow pace and me and my friend being I think 10 or 11 at the time trying to get
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cheats for Grand Theft Auto from our free 1000 minutes of AOL on a disc that we got in the mail
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or from Pizza Hut I believe Pizza Hut would give you those as well and you'd sneak online at
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2 a.m. when your mom was asleep and trying to get cheat codes using the free AOL discs and it
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would take an hour and a half to load a web page because Dialup was not ideal and then of course
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you would miss all your phone calls because you can't answer the phone while using the internet.
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And that's all gone now. Happy days. I'm just amused that of course you used it for games and
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things. I can't imagine how so that is because it was so slow for everything else and of course all
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those screeches and whistles and screams it was about, it was then followed by much the same sound
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when you got the phone bill at the end. The world is a better place in certain ways but as of right now
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AOL it's over. There is no more dial up access to AOL and actually that is going to affect people
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isn't it? People with I'm thinking rural communities where internet broadband is maybe not as
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available or not as cheaply available. In 2000 I want to say it was either 21 or 23 but it was a
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couple years ago there was a kind of a study I guess or maybe just a number mentioned. Dialup was
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in the thousands a couple years ago so maybe hundreds are affected by this at this point and they've
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had plenty of warning AOL put this out a few months ago but it's been known for a long time.
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This was going away so yeah maybe a few hundred people could have possibly still had a connection
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for some reason but it's almost guaranteed that they have some kind of broadband or even satellite
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connection they have access to but dial up I'm sure was incredibly inexpensive for their needs
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and this was probably being used in some way by some things somewhere but probably nothing too critical.
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So I mean with all respect to those few hundred people we should see this more as significant
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because it's the end of an era really when there's no going back. Let's go forward again then
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because we did touch on this quite a bit last week with the iPhone 17 Pro Max because you were
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in the middle of writing the review it hadn't come out yet but you were deep into it and I asked
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you all those questions about photography that review is now out isn't it and you've
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encapsulated it in a wrong way. Do you have summarized the whole thing about saying that it redefines
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the word pro for it? Are that sounds quite a lot then? I might yet again going to regret not buying one.
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No I think you're fine but it's a good phone it's good cameras I've been playing around a lot with
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it as I said in the review and now another week from that I can reiterate I'm using that Forex camera
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for a lot more I'm testing its limits seeing where I can capture photos with it versus other
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lenses and I'm just it's just such a superb portrait lens and capturing like pets and things
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but I just wanted to bring it up here again because the review is of course officially out please
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go give it a read let me know what you think a very detailed camera section even a lot of the pro
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camera reviews that I've read didn't touch on it in the way that I did where I covered all of the
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optical like lenses and the capabilities of such and we went over that last week but at the end
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of the show last week I also teased that another conclusion I came to and we talked a little bit
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more in Apple and Center Plus so I wanted to mention it here the this iPhone feels like it was built
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purposefully for artificial intelligence this was the first iPhone actually built for that
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Apple might have said something along those lines when it revealed the 16 but that phone was not
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built for AI it was built for the previous trend it was the same design like nothing changed about
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it it just had a better chipset that was better at some AI functions but again it wasn't the whole
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thing vertically wasn't for AI but this one is in a way that the other isn't and I find that
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interesting and I think this is purposeful because as we get closer to the spring we're going to
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see more more evidence of Apple working on this completely revamped redesigned AI system starting
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with the LLM Siri backend adding in some sprinkles of third parties through private cloud compute
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local models for the device to run this pro iPhone is going to be pro for a lot of people but it's
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also going to be pro for AI use and I think that's going to be interesting because out of all the
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failed AI hardware out there pins and necklaces and have you yeah I think the iPhone 17 pro might be
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the first actual piece of AI hardware on the market that everyone will have and will be quite
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interesting to see an action this is kind of slightly left feel but do you think the expected
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M5 iPad pro will be will have been designed for Apple intelligence no it's designed for what it
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was it's the same thin iPad pro they're not going to and I think that's fine it was it didn't
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really have a cooling issue before I'm sure it gets a little warm with the chipset but it's a
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big piece of aluminum so it dissipates heat fine on its own even in the mounts that I use those
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are big pieces of metal so it's just diffusing heat into the stand at that point or if you
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using keyboard case it has another layer to get to the air so it might get a little warmer in
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there but I don't see it being much of an issue maybe if Apple's feeling clever they could include
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a vapor chamber but I don't know how much difference that would make in an iPad where you have
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nothing but space to dissipate heat to the iPhone it's a little more tricky because it's so compact
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and you have a lot more components between the chip and the outside and it kind of needs that
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vapor chamber but the iPad itself with the M5 I think it'll be fine maybe an active cooling element
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like that would be interesting for iPad because it wouldn't get throttled as easily theoretically
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I would I wouldn't mind seeing it I don't think it would add to the thickness of the device it might
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take away from the potential battery size but overall sure it's going to be the M4 iPad pro that we
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have now super thin super light just with an M5 chip there's no rumors suggesting anything else
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other than maybe dual selfie cameras but I think even that doesn't make sense and I don't know
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where that rumor came from but we don't need a portrait and landscape selfie camera anymore if we
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have the center stage selfie camera that Apple introduced so maybe that comes to iPad and solves all
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those problems it all I mean from the start when iPad's gained a camera it seemed like a strange
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thing to lug around this giant piece of aluminium to do it but I can see in the advantages of the
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selfie camera in that when it face ID and things like that they come with the camera the fact that
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you wouldn't have to turn the iPad a certain way to a iPad I can't remember if that's still the case
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I just know that the camera's off to one side on my old one it moved from portrait to landscape
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and it's a much better position and some people assume that Apple would have it in both
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orientations so that your FaceTime calls it would be more natural and you would you could hold the
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camera you could hold the side of the iPad and not block a camera or something sure I mean that's
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plausible and maybe you could get some interesting functionality out of that but I'm not sure that
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it's particularly necessary. Apple's treating the iPad more and more as a landscape device so I think
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it's fine as is I would be more interested in a second USB C port than I would a second camera at
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this point but we'll see I think I think the M5 iPad Pro is going to be what it is it's going to be
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what the M3 M2 iPads were iterative it might add an Apple pencil function of some kind
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but the hardware is going to stay the same for a while we just got to redesign so I'll be very
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interested in seeing what comes from this but another Apple pencil feature please don't let
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there be yet another Apple pencil to choose from no no just another you know how they do they add
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hover they add things well it was crossing my mind that as you're talking the largest possible
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screen there is on a portable device we should talk about the smaller one because I know
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you've got the Apple Watch Ultra 3 have you also been using the SE3 or someone else been doing that
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no I believe Andrew got that review and yeah yes so the SE3 quickly is is what it is it's the entry
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model it kind of takes away from the series 11 enough that if you're if he just get the SE3 it
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does enough but for me personally I want all the metrics I can get so health wise I would want
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the series 11 it has all the things including the new hypertension notification
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sleep apnea detection stuff like that the SE3 has temperature sensing but that's where it kind of
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cuts off it doesn't have blood oxygen detection it doesn't do hypertension it has the first generation
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well it has the previous generation heart rate detection whereas the latest Apple Watches have
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moved to an electronic version of that your electronic heart monitors or whatever the word is so
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it's just different that's why it can't do those things in spite of having the S10 chipset
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but it overall is a good device and like the iPhone SE was for a long time it's also the only
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way to get a smaller Apple Watch because the smallest Apple Watch series model is now the size of
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the original large Apple Watch 42 millimeters didn't realize that they've slowly trained us into
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the larger size okay yeah but the SE3 reviews good go check it out I did the ultra review I had some
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fun with the photos because it's just an interesting watch to look at very rugged very large but not too
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big we don't need to dwell on it here I just recommend everyone go read the review it's very much
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an Apple Watch I I wasn't negative so to speak I'm enjoying this device but I want to be clear
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that you're not really getting anything from this device that you're getting from an Apple Watch I
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mean you can hold down a button and get a siren to go off you had the action buttons interesting
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because it but unlike the action button on iPhone which feels a little bit more infinitely programmable
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I guess this one is same you get a list of predefined functions and then shortcuts and control
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center actions so okay it's like the iPhone one but I don't know for some reason it feels more
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limited in scope but that's just me the device itself is fine as a ultra device looking at its
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specs great you can go deep sea diving you can go to an Arctic tundra you can survive in a desert but
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most people aren't going to do any of those things and they should still consider this device
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it's fine for what it is like it's just an Apple Watch with a more battery life that's the
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way you should look at it don't really get spooked out by the ruggedness of it don't get spooked out
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by the extreme sports version of it because it's it's it's just a lot of people buy these sports
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watches garments and stuff and have no intention of using them for what they are just like buying
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like a Ford pickup truck most people who buy these trucks don't use them as trucks they just use
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them as compensation mostly so I think the Apple Watch Ultra is great for the battery life great for
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the very it's a very large display it's not too big on the wrist honestly it's like the other
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watches it disappears in the background I'm not thinking about it being there it doesn't feel too heavy
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and it gets the job done so yeah go check out that review one thing I'm curious about the action
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button because I we touched on this briefly last week I can't remember whether you had done this
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or were thinking of doing it but you you mentioned the potential for using the action button to
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start a cycling workout while you are actually cycling it's a presumed that's something
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that it can do so yeah you can select workout as a function and then say start workout
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if you so you press it wants to open workouts and it can launch the app and start a workout right
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away or it can launch the app and then you press it again to start a workout personally I'm just
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using it to launch the workout app and then tapping outdoor cycle if I need to that's enough for me
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but yeah there's there's a lot you can do you I think you can do it it's not a long press because
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the long press is the siren but maybe it's a double press or something where you can switch the
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function which is something you you can't do on iPhone you can have it rotate through the
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different functions available and toggle which ones are available which is interesting
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I've realized I do use the action button on my iPhone it calls up a shortcut menu at
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a list of 10 things and I only ever use one of them so I should probably just put that as the
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button for anything are you an action button user on the phone?
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uh
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aspirationally for sure I have it set up to
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open a shortcuts menu full of useful shortcuts it's just I think it's too much data overload or it's
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just not part of my muscle memory so I tend to forget and I think that's the problem with it is
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I'm either I'm trying to do too much or something it's like camera control it's better as a button
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that launches the camera app rather than actually trying to fiddle with all the controls because
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it does too much so actually limiting what it can do actually makes it more useful and
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better a better utility and I think I need to take the same approach with the action button and
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pull back a bit and make it a single function again um
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Natalie my fiance she got the action button for the first time with iPhone Air and she's just like
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I just want the mute switch I'm gonna keep it the mute switch and that's that's fine
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some people turn it to the flashlight which I think is clever uh I don't know I'll have to
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think it through and see if there's anything maybe I'll I think I mentioned this before but I'll
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say it again maybe I'll make it how I log I jump straight to logging my food uh from food
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norms or something um because I do that usually by taking food norms as a photo it's not okay I
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get it it's not accurate it's AI whatever garbage but it's I don't feel like trying to explain
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that I'm what I'm eating and giving it the ingredients it's doing a good enough job of taking a photo
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and saying oh this appears to be this these were the ingredients for that these were the calories for
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that it's probably not the most accurate thing in the world but the numbers I get at a quick glance
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seem accurate enough that I'm okay doing it that way and just jumping straight to that function
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and uh to the camera and food norms might be a useful function for the action button for me
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I've realized that you know you've said it uh of the 10 things I've set up one of them is mute
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and I'm amazed I don't use it more often but the one that I do use is I launch an app um a telepromp
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trap to use for certain video uh projects but the benefit of doing it through the action button is
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that it's a sequence launches the app and turns on do not disturb focus mode and I have an
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automation that when I quit the app it turns off do not disable it I'll never remember yeah people
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have gotten really clever with the action button and make shortcuts that check with the time of day
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or like the weather yes and then run different functions again I think that's that's fine but
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it's the complexity that kind of kills it and for average users it's one of those things so like the
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camera control button and this is something we can get to and then leaks um I've heard it said and I
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think this is accurate apple tends to announce new things dynamic island or whatever put it in the
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phone and then they add a feature and then they add a feature over time making it more complex with time
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camera control came out of the box fully baked and that's fine uh for some features but in this
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case I think it was too much at all at once for users and apple actually took a step back during
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the iPhone 17 setup and basically says this is all off by default and gives you the option to toggle
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on during setup and I think a lot of people are gonna leave it off and I think apple is going to
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not necessarily move away from it's not like they're gonna take away these functions but I think
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they're gonna change how they think about these functions and I think that's the smarter move
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give people a button to press first and then introduce the sliding mechanics later
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that makes sense
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Can we just take a moment to reflect on the fact that we it's a couple of weeks since the
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iPhone was announced and all of the rumors stopped because the truth was out no leaks everything
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was peaceful we were just getting all the things but now we've already hinted about this there are
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leaks aplenty this time could we start though with I mean this is personal interest because I really
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want one the M5 iPad Pro allegedly every detail leaked before the launch and I have some suspicions
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about this but do you know the leak and do you believe it? Well this is the same thing that we saw
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before with the Russian YouTubers getting a hold of an iPad or a MacBook last year actually
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and I can't remember the super specifics of it it appears in hindsight that they did actually
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get a hold of a MacBook but at the same time it was still sketchy because they had the incorrect
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box art at the time and later turns out Apple did just reuse that box but this iPad same deal old
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box art also lacks the certification nonsense that goes on the bottom but it seems also it's just
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the same iPad right externally so I could go right now and make a YouTube video holding up my
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iPad saying that I have the M5 iPad Pro because it's what I was getting at before it nothing
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externally is going to change but what they did is they did a geek bench tests and all these
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benchmarks things to tell us what the M5 can do and it seems a little off on that front too
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so I don't know it doesn't matter if it's real or not these things are coming very soon so
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slightly perturbed there because I watched the at least some of the video and I thought rubbish
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that box is exactly the same as last time I didn't remember that that had happened last year so
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could be real and I could get what I actually I think it's a very ugly box for an iPad I mean that's
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not going to persuade me before or against buying but you know it did seem an unusually ugly iPad Pro
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box yeah you're just looking at me now I can tell and in that case how about things that
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well I don't know if it's got these leaks on up because we obviously weren't supposed to know
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about some of this stuff it's obviously real so it's not some so it can't be somebody making
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up it can't be any sort of stuff it's the FCC accidentally pushing the wrong button isn't it
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I'm telling us something incredibly useful about the iPhone 16A from months ago well so it's really
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interesting is this is probably because this is something that happened like four times in the same
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day and there's a lot of things that can be said about the US government right now and incompetence
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is up there not to be to mean but there's a lot of mistakes being made across the board and the FCC
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I think is not immune from this these issues that are going on Apple putting confidentiality requests
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and their FCC submissions and they submitted for the iPhone 16E obviously and we got schematics
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for this device that we are not supposed to see but that that's all well and good it's a device that
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came out of your ago world several months ago and then all of a sudden we get MacBook Pro iPad Pro
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and Vision Pro leaked documents from the FCC all in the same day within an hour of each other
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I it could be one person making mistake it could be a failure of a system it's hard to say but
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this is not supposed to be happening but on the other hand we get to see a little peek into what
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Apple is planning FCC documentation for electromagnetic tests and radiation tests and all these
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things that they do doesn't really mean that the device is getting announced tomorrow but it now
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does mean it's at least within six months of being revealed that's especially the case with the
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possibly this month if not November but that's still up in the air and if M5 is revealed we'll get the
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iPad Pro the M5 base model MacBook Pro and MacBook Air at the most maybe a Mac many I don't
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quote me on this but we are not getting to the M4 or M5 max or M5 pro chips until the spring at
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the earliest so those products will not be announced this fall for sure okay I was sorry I was
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just thinking schematics for the iPhone 16 it actually like you I nearly said last year's phone
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it seems ages ago I'm wondering what I could do with a schematic and a soldering iron um probably quite
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little actually but yeah I picture some poor intern on their first day at the FCC leaning on the
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wrong button and having a more gracious I think it's a deeper issue but I think also it's interesting
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I mean it doesn't tell us anything we got some all it is for the MacBook Pro's iPads are model
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numbers the same for vision pro but it's a little different so we got the MacBook Pro model numbers
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and the iPad Pro model numbers and usually you can reverse engineer model numbers into what device
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it is and what chip it's using based on Apple's previous naming schemes and this clearly suggests
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an M5 MacBook Pro and an M5 iPad Pro is imminent and then we have a vision pro like it's like a radio
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exam basically for Wi-Fi and whatnot it references it as a head mounted device and it has a model
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number that doesn't exist it's this one's a bit weird because the a3416 would be this new
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head mounted device whereas Apple vision pro is a2117 shall I go to stop you there anybody in the
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UK the a217 you got it's not the road to Glasgow or something but yeah it made me think it was
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maybe wonder if that was close to the Pixar number or not and I have to go look but
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um because Pixar puts a reference to it's one of it's the classroom they all went to to learn
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design or whatever I can remember it's a something but it's very similar sounding to the ear but
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I don't think it's the same number anyway um it's interesting to see that it jumps up by a full
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digit there from a2 to a3 I'm interesting about our vision pro and the number going up and things
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who knows how the numbers work well obviously I'm at Apple does but alongside it there is also
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um well this is more of a rumor much more of a your standard kind of a shoelike there's something
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claiming that Apple has shifted focus I think that's the phrase of priorities uh from
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making the Apple vision pro we all know and like lighter and instead copying Facebook's meta glasses
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thingy is there any chance that this is what the number is pointing to that's that was
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partially my guess because okay if if the FCC is all and this is a very early testing thing this
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isn't the final certification like we were seeing with the MacBooks and iPads yeah so the
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vision pro or head mounted display or whatever the FCC wanted to call it
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being a whole different digit is a little odd to me because um it's not that it would shift
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we're not talking about new hardware right Apple isn't about to release the lighter vision pro
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that that's always been years away and the moving to an im series chip shouldn't be too big of a
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leap maybe I'm reading this wrong but uh yes this could be technically for some glasses and
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what's funny is we've discussed this before meta-raping glasses not the display ones just the regular
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glasses they are not in the same category as apple vision pro they're closer to airpods or apple
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watch they're awareable with speakers cameras and microphones uh no display and apple is
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interested in making these they've been testing it internally for a while apparently
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and cool I guess but uh there's some rumor that they want to reveal it in 2026
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and ship it by 27 which I take issue with that timeline uh it just seems too long especially for
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bits of plastic I mean we're not I don't see it being too complex and I don't
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see the supply chain struggling to ramp up production of these things we're not talking about
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billions of these getting sold um meta struggles to sell them in any large quantity uh again I keep
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referencing this number but I think it's important they only sold about two million glasses
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from October 2023 to February 2025 that is not that many glasses for that
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time length of time um apple will surely do more simply because of the ecosystem advantage and
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hopefully their price to compete I expect there'll be $500 because it's just apple but
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I don't know maybe they don't have a partner maybe apple does it want a partner right they're
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not going to go to Luxadia or whatever that company's called and ask for oakles or something um
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maybe apple will try to make their own or maybe we'll get warby parker or something silly but
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anyway all that said this there's this rumor uh discussing apple shifting priorities internally
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and I find it fascinating because it has the usual german bloomberg tilt to make this
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the most negative angry sad thing possible like he's morning division pro in the headline already
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um the reality is apple has very small very specialized teams
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and they shuffle them to focus on different tasks the vision pro the lighter version is not stopping
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production they're not giving up on it and there's no word even suggesting that they're moving
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it's release date because it was originally expected sometime in 2027 they're just shifting
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priorities to these glasses that would compete with meta ray bands and the second iteration which
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would have a display in them like the meta display glasses uh but both of those products are not
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apple vision pro i'll be surprised if apple calls them vision at all maybe they will because of
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them being glasses but they're not going to run technically a gooey version of vision os because
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the first iteration won't even have a display and i doubt the second iteration will have much of
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interface uh beyond a few apps so maybe they'll be vision uh it's just such a weird product line for
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me that said vision pro i don't think is going anywhere um we're still getting the m5 very soon uh
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that seems to be out the door at this point we're just waiting for the m5 to be announced for
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apple to reveal this product it's not going to change anything much externally it's just going to be
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a better chipset more modern to hold us over until the next lighter iteration comes along and i
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think apple wanting to tempt enterprise more with this headset they got to offer modern specs so
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that would be the only reason why they would update the hardware now and i think they're about to
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and all the rumors point to that so these glasses uh so if apples already got the m5 out the door
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they're probably already in production and the lighter thinner model can't exist yet technologically
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it'd be too expensive they're still working on minimum uh miniaturizing that okay then we don't
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need a bunch of people standing around doing nothing right so you shift the you you take a few of
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them off put them on a higher priority the glasses which are coming next and let the other team
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fiddle around with miniaturization until it gets closer to being probable and releaseable uh so
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i don't see this as the doom and gloom if anything i think this is interesting it means we could get
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the product sooner and it also means that apple giving it a priority internally means it'll
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maybe actually be useful and interesting and work out of the gate so yeah this is this is fun news
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i am in the market for some apple style glasses i would never buy meadows for reasons obvious
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to our listeners but uh an apple version of them i don't know what they'll do but i'm sure apple
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will pitch us on them who will definitely they will make they'll make even me be briefly tempted
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and i'm flawless ahead set fan then you so if i if i had to guess for what these would be because
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apple's not going to just be like and here's our meta ray bands right um i have a feeling that
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they'll have some audio output kind of like the apple vision pro do but i think they'll recommend
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using air pods and i think because these are apple's glasses they'll have a direct chip to chip
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communication system allowing for the air pods to basically operate as direct input speakers and
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microphones for the glasses so the glasses themselves only really need high quality cameras and the
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air pods would be the rest of the system and they would integrate with each other very seamlessly and
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communicate maybe in uh closely with the apple watch and the iphone as well augmenting the system
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we already have not replacing anything and that would be fine and people and of course german points
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out you know apple intelligence and its position in the market today but he leaves out the fact that
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apple is about to completely revamp series with a lll and back end and a lot could change by the
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time this hardware releases so i i think that we're going to see some really interesting stuff uh from
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the two is the last leak we want to talk about today which is Samsung's president did not say
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they're making screens for the iPhone fold but nearly did didn't he. Foldable OLED displays that
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will be supplied to a North American client. Oh it's the Trump phone. You know we do have Google
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they make foldings. True. Yeah so might not be apple might not be anything at all to do with apple
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but you think it is yeah. I mean it could just be Google. They're in, was it Redmond?
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California but counts. Yeah it's I don't know these things are people of reading the tea leaves on
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this stuff. A foldable is very much I guess theoretically possible it's on the way a lot of
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rumors point to it we've been a year away from a foldable forever I have a very strange feeling
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that we're going to get to March in here that it got delayed 2027 but yes. So let's before we move
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on from leaks let's lay out apples 2026 so far because this is according to the rumors in 2026
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we're going to get a completely redesigned revamped LLM back in Siri with app intents
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on top of an announcement for Metareband style smart glasses on top of a foldable iPhone
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new Apple Vision Pro like this is a pretty crazy year in terms of like we haven't seen the year
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like this since the Apple Watch. Right because the Apple Watch came we got we got the new iPhones
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like iPhone 6's very soon around that period like a lot of stuff happened at Apple all at once
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and it was pretty interesting a very big hype cycle and a lot of people if the rumors are correct
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it seems like 2026 could be a pretty strong like hype cycle for Apple and maybe hush some of
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those people who think Tim Cook is a bad CEO or whatever. Interesting it does save like building
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up to something we're always building something up to something with Apple but I'm not buying it
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I think the year is going to be a little bit quieter something is going to get pushed it's
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probably going to be that foldable but a new AI system and smart glasses totally plausible I think
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that's realistic. It's interesting that I think you're far less interested in foldables than I am
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just this week I've missed the model name but Huawei if I'm even pronouncing it approximately
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unveiled a foldable that I would have bought in an instant assuming the price was affordable
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and it didn't run Windows but it did run Windows. Do you see this it's um imagine a MacBook folded
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out but both sides the lid and the thing it's just one single seamless screen that folds over so
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it's like a gigantic iPad that turns into a laptop. It's great in the two seconds of video
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service. It's inevitable that we'll get there I don't really understand the utility of such a
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device. Yeah but you won't want don't you know right? I do. iPad like so this is where it gets weird
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it would almost be like having two iPads yeah so when we get to the point where foldables happen if
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they do because I'm still skeptical but if we get to the point where you can take an iPad mini and
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open it to an iPad Pro that's fine but taking an iPad Pro and opening it up to a MacBook
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that gets a little unwieldy at that point and then the bottom is a touchscreen keyboard
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yeah or do you put a physical keyboard in front of that and now you have two panes of vertical one
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and a horizontal or a flat one on the desk that you can interact with in different ways. I
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I'm not sure what we're going for here if it's this is where it runs into like
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it's it's the faster horse situation. We have trouble imagining what's next computationally what's
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going to revolutionize technology and people in humans so we take what we already have and imagine
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what could be next for it. We look at a MacBook and say what if we take the MacBook and just make it
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all display. What if we make the keyboard a touch display because that's what happened with the
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iPhone. The iPhone revolution, I smart phone phones in general by taking away the physical
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interface and turning it into a digital one so that it can become whatever you're doing at that
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moment. Why don't we just do that with the MacBook? It's like well it's great in theory but it doesn't
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execute in practice. The tactile feedback of the keyboard is too important and having a touchscreen
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a display down there doesn't really serve that much of a purpose. We saw this with a touch bar.
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It was great except you have to look at it to use it which is not how we use keyboards. We don't
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look at them usually. You learn how to type and you can type without looking. So it doesn't feel like
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it's a particularly interesting utility and so just like foldables in general it's trying to solve
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a problem that we don't really have especially anymore as augmented displays and stuff like that
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digital displays become more and more the norm. I mean we're not very far away. We're with it.
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So Meta wants Orion to be a reality by 2027, 2028 which means once those become the norm
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forget your $4,000 foldable 27-inch display you just put on a pair of glasses and have a 30-inch
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4K display floating six feet in front of you. Right? Like that's where we're headed and all of
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these other things are just concepts and I don't think they're going to last because
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they would have been interesting a decade ago but they're just not needed anymore. The reality
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has outpaced the imagination. If you're into glasses and A on stuff like that and forever you're
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going to be more of that way than I am. Plus I remember using a table the original Microsoft
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are you here by this and upside-down plus that table size thing I mean it had obvious problems
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but still it was actually useful. So yeah I could still hold out for a table size iPad.
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I mean blue. One of those Tony Stark coffee tables that like you put down a cup of coffee and it
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starts and it recognizes your coffee mug and starts heating it at that area and then you have
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like a stack of photos on one side. Sure like technology is always fun to imagine but practicality
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gets away from us. We don't always think things all the way through and then there's companies like
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Huawei and Xiaomi that take things too far like adding a display to a camera bar. It's like great
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in a concept execution but what's the purpose? What are we actually doing here?
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And I think that you're right like not everyone's going to buy a pair of glasses to use as
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alternative to a monitor but I don't think the alternative to glasses is foldables either. I think
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the foldables just fall away and you choose either a traditional conventional display
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or displays or you put on a pair of glasses. I think the foldables are trying to answer
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problem. The glasses are much better at answering and if you don't have that problem you just buy
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the original piece of technology. I think that's why I think that's why the foldables are very much a
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niche gimmicky interesting cool piece of technology but it's going to go away.
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It seems to me that one of the perhaps many ways I fall down is a total failure of imagination
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over what will come next. I remember being so surprised by universal control or they're actually
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today has been driving me to spare. Things that I would never have conceived to become incredibly
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useful or occasionally irritating and we just have to wait and find out what sticks and what doesn't.
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This is why I talk about this stuff and Apple actually makes them but how about we've had so many
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leaks so many projections in the future how about we come back to right now when Amazon has released
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well everything like three Kindle scribes um Alexa in your Peterbox I don't know um you have
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previously criticized Amazon for talking a good talk and they're not releasing anything well now
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well are they have they just an answer if they actually brought out more Alex's and doorbells
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and things so Amazon didn't ask all this stuff and it's available to buy it's not like vaporware
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or anything but it's really leaning into okay so artificial intelligence right this concept
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we've been beating it up since it was first discussed three years ago and I think we had
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every right to and still do because it's never quite what they promised it's just more and more
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slop and getting sloppier as we go um like meta not meta open AI just came out with their Sora app
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where you can go and look at garbage all day I guess and generate your own garbage um it's interesting
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garbage I guess like it I but I don't really understand the utility that you're just going to go
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look at a bunch of fake videos of fake things that don't exist okay I understand that what's a
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cartoon okay yeah but like cartoons are interesting because like humans worked really hard to put
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it together and tell an interesting story what you're not really getting that it's a it's a whole
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different conversation we don't have time today but AI has reached this weird point in time in the
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last three four months and it's accelerating and I can only see it accelerating into a wall basically
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it's definitely heading towards a train wreck of worse and worse and bad and bad uh we were I was
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on a discord yesterday where people were just sharing a bunch of products they found online that
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had AI in their name there was an AI toothbrush uh AI AI water bottle not water bottles the bottle
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water like a plastic bottle of water and it was AI water the water itself was AI right like people
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are just putting AI on everything and it's completely lost on meaning and people are exhausted
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and tired and nobody even knows what it means anymore the chatbots are stupid they're causing
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people to do self harm and in marriages and all kinds of weird stuff uh someone shared the wired
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article and was it wired I believe I know it wasn't wired I don't think they would have written this
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but someone wrote an article in 2015 on October 1st that says in 10 years we will be having sex
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with robots well October 1st came and went and people were sharing that as a meme of like here we are
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but that that's that's the kind of hyperbolic nonsense we're dealing with of this AI is taking over
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the world and all this and it's like where is it and you look at the evolution of chat gbt and
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google jimin i and elixir's new systems and it's just not there it's not doing what these companies
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promised it's it doesn't exist in the way that we expected it to or at least they promise it would
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exist and these final death rows of this sad sad thing of all these lies let's say are starting to
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show and one of the death roses amazon announcing 16 items and all of them having AI whatever in them
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this new elixir that every every review I have read has basically said it's borderline pointless because
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you're getting in an argument with your speaker over whether or not to turn on your lights
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and okay and good for them for announcing a bunch of products that are basically what you'd call
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a year late at this point because if they wanted it on the zeitgeist it should have been last
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october not now when it's at its on its deathbed but like the technology isn't going anywhere don't
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get me wrong and i've talked about it a lot in the shows but previously apple is working on some
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really interesting stuff with AI but it's not trying to make it its entire product line it's not
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selling it as world ending it's just selling it as a better word processor it's selling it as a
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as a better way to capture thoughts and information and manage our day and that's what it should be
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that's what it always should have been it's a technology to sit in the background so i wanted to
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point out today that yes and the as as AI's bubbles popping in our economy and evidentably
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collapses because of it amazon is announcing some kindles and some speakers alongside google and
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what's even funnier is google announced a bunch of stuff i think as a me too to amazon which i
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don't know why google feels threatened by amazon at all at this point but and possibly a me too to
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apple who's potentially announcing some smart speakers later this fall but they came out in a
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similar time frame to amazon's announcements so october first let me let me check the dates on these
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yeah so amazon september 30th maybe september 29th october first google announces new home nest
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cameras and smart speakers but they're not available yet they're coming in 2026 and they will be
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embedded with google jimin i so i just find the whole thing very amusing we don't have time to dive
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into the individual products or what they can do all i'm saying is is we're seeing this come to a head
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and i am so thankful that apple is not
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doing chasing this demon i'm glad that they're doing this responsibly and slowly and i'm going to
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and hopefully judging by the rumors release something that is actually useful maybe it's garbage too
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we don't know we'll see but right now what we have is garbage and i'm just hoping that apple doesn't
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give us garbage so uh just as it all pops apple will finally fix artificial intelligence and maybe
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they'll make us like it again i don't know okay i'm going to declare uh the rest of this podcast
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cannot mention the words ai uh but i said you can mention the word uh oh hang on we want to talk
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about the algae ultrafine 6k monetization briefly i'm sitting today but please tell me there's nothing
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ai in that one is it a copy let's see ai pixels that predict the color that it's going to be before
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no um okay thankfully it looks like it's just a monitor uh it's two thousand dollars so coming in
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oh you know pretty modestly priced compared to our studio display uh considering you're
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getting a 6k Thunderbolt 5 uh thing so it looks nice it looks kind of like apples uh design except
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that stand looks kind of stupid kind of like it looks like a tongue or something but okay yeah not
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excited by that but uh other than that fine if you it's ultrafine even if you need a monitor
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and you're waiting on a new studio display wait no longer this is probably a better option um even
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whatever apple announces this is probably going to be better uh i'm very and what is this is this
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OLED IPS panel i guess not so hmm that's tough this is a nice panel i'm sure it does very well
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i i really need to lead these days well i i probably would not spend this kind of money on it
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on a standard panel but in any case would you buy this uh it's not very wide is it
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at no good point i have a very wide monitor but it's quite shallow and the resolution
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the resolution is better than the monitors i had before but it's still not great uh to the extent
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that when i go into the apple store i can't look at the monitors i can't because i'll that's just
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looks so much better i'm happy seeing one of taking two of your monitor and stacking them on top of
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each other then you'd have like like the super tall and super what anyway okay i'm picturing that
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yeah see have your little control center with all your all your all your media open all your things
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i did want to consider um because it's i have it the wide monitor is very curved but i'm not very
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curved it's quite a noticeably curved i was trying to work out how many i would need to make a
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complete circle around right and i think it was something like 17 and that seemed like
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that's all rough yeah also i made it just lost count after a bit i got a bit bored with the idea so
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if anybody knows the Samsung 49 inch Odyssey something monitor and it needs more that's very nice
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for you okay so it's out now is it uh i need to read this more i guess it is you can go purchase
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this thing two thousand dollars uh october 20th is the delivery all right cool yeah
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um in which case i've got to press you on a totally different date because you're American and you
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should know this the super bowl when is the super bowl uh sometime in like February ish
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okay can i get the impression of the night i thought i watched it and had to be found oh okay
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so so the super bowl comes on right and then you see the commercials and then when the game starts
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you watch kickoff and and how that goes and then you go to the bathroom and get some snacks and come
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back and wait for the ads to come back and then you watch all the ads and then you take your
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break during the game and then then the halftime show happens you stick around for that and then
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you kind of care about the ending of the game and then that's about how it goes right i think what
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we've learned is that you keep snacks in the bathroom i'm not joking um but yes uh i would watch
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the halftime show i suppose and of course the reason of mentioning this is apple now sponsors
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they are halftime show and they have this week and that's that bad bunny is going to be the lead
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um the main performer for it fact possibly the only performer not sure how it works i have my
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new ease i have a guest to do you never know yeah good point because he has been on the super bowl
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before as someone else's guest before apple took over um which i know only because i've only heard
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of him because of apple music and i keep every bit i hear i like i just don't follow him uh
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particularly close to perhaps i will inflexiously like addictive music like he makes really good
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beats and tones and everything like it it's so good i have no idea what he's saying but it's
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it's it's very excellent music i i mean i can't really say anything i listen to a lot of japanese
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music too um i've been i recently discovered a uh i believe she might be japanese american
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probably grew up speaking both languages and became kind of this
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contemplative jazz mix musician and it is excellent and uh and shifts between japanese and english
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so bad bunny does something similar with spanish six mostly to spanish though um and i think
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that'll make for a very interesting super bowl uh apple announced this the other day now i did
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find a bit of trivia though interesting because someone commented who picks these people anyway
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like is there is there a guy do you know this will you not clear no oh also i need i need to point out
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who i'm talking about may i'm sorry i s e m o and e s maybe i'll get a link into the
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list yeah uh very very fun very just very fun clever artist she is okay so moving on uh so the
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purse uh someone listening probably knows this and i i find i found it very amusing but at least since
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2019 jazzy has been the person who picks the at-time show that's it that's just jazzy's like
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you do it and they're like okay that's the whole process uh there's a bunch of
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boor and there's not a vote there's not a process he's just like uh this this artist big they
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they can do it and it's like okay jazzy i'm delighted at that i picked over when i wasn't really
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thinking about it but i would picture apple park board meetings really serious how does it move
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the needle on apple music sales no this but no they're doing the right thing with somebody good
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excellent so jazzy knows what he's doing right he's been around for a while and uh i think i
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find this interesting because i think the mentality behind it is and i found an article in this
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and i don't have the link but it was probably Hollywood reporter or something but they were basically
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like look it'd be different if he picked someone and it was bad but every time he picks like the
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super bowl halftime shows always a hit so we just let him keep picking right like so yes i
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find it i find it very amusing but yes um good yes all right that's actually impressed me
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when you're talking about that uh singer whose name i can't pronounce every single thing you
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were saying up to the word jaz was making me think of one of my favorites uh flanchisco
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villain zoolah um american born but lives in um sings in uh chilian and spanish and occasionally english
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and things let's have a link to both of them in the shanloats yeah absolutely yeah broaden your
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eyes and music is amazing absolutely it's fantastic i've actually been getting better at remembering to
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use the new music mix um on apple music every week coming by what day it drops but i've picked up some
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really good things i'm very happy with this is because of that yeah if we're gonna if we're gonna
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make music recommendations i also need to share a recent discovery and then we can close up with
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things but uh i also discovered someone recently that some some listeners might know a little
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bit better than the ones we've mentioned because this is what they call it pop i don't really consider it
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pop um she's capturing like a mix of classical and jazz and and modern music and making it into
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this really interesting mix and she's also working with like um
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um the one of the collaborative collaborators that actually works with Taylor Swift i'm not much
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of a swift person but like she makes some really interesting music uh out of it i can't even
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describe it it's just sounds like it's out of this time um anyway so i recommend people go check
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out a couple of the songs go go look at the starred songs the ones that get dots next to them that
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are popular on this album we'll we'll put in the show notes it's from an artist called
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Lofi l-a-u-f-e-y pretty pretty fun stuff just uh it scratches a lot of itches for me because i enjoy
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jazz and classical and stuff like that and she's kind of meddling in all of that kind of uh i don't
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know the word for it but it's kind of that it's the smooth jazz uh that you'd hear at a jazz club
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singing but at the same time a little bit more like you'll have to go listen to it okay
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okay peanuts
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and ag we've got to stop there on the music i agree uh because otherwise i'm going to be talking
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about mary japan carpenters new album darwilliams his new album but no calm press much more urgent
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peanuts so i never remember that it's called peanuts i think it was charming brown and
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apple was pushes snoopy but it's the whole peanuts gang and they are staying on apple tv plus
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until well at least 2030 there's a new five-year deal which is great if you like that stuff because
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well especially now because but there's a filming production i don't know what have happened
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if that deal hadn't gone through other new shows to come and classic Charlie Browns to be shown
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Charlie Browns never had quite the same impact here in the UK i mean we know it you kind of
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go in and out of whether you like it or not but there's the tradition in the states of the
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at the christmas and the thanksgiving and the halloween the specials to just get repeated
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every single year and things are you a partaker of that tradition oh yeah we watch all of the
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peanut specials and even the ones that don't make sense they have like they have there's so many
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peanut specials that people forget about like there's six different christmas ones at this point
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um yeah but they're all they're some of them are good some of them not like i want a dog for
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christmas Charlie Brown is a really good one oh yeah so i don't know why that touched me already i
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see like no okay but yeah that's a good one but i think apple has been a good steward of the peanuts
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brand uh previously we saw nothing right we got a movie in 23 oh yeah yeah nothing otherwise
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just nothing uh for decades they would just air the specials and that was i don't know who had it
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previously is probably in bc or something but apple lets everyone watch it for free um every
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whatever holiday it is you get like a week to watch this special that can coincides with that
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holiday for free um you get periodic new specials the musical they did this summer was excellent
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like it was top-notch musical i i feel like the story could have been a little bit better uh but
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they only had they they it was a short not a movie if it was a theatrical length musical it
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would have been better because it would have had more time to flesh everything out and give everyone
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singing parts but it was a very heavy uh Charlie Brown Lucy story but anyway um i think they've
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been great stewards of it and i'm very happy to hear that apple gets to keep them keep up the work
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at least till 2030 and hopefully longer because yeah they're just doing a good job
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mmm i'm going to say yeah but uh this year the christmas specials and thanks giving you
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all that they're getting a two day free window and up to uh the first couple of years that apple had
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this so i think 20 definitely 21 and 22 they licensed it out to pbs to be able to screen it
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as it has been doing for decades and things and that stopped in 2023 now that was one or two maybe
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at most airings on pbs but that was you know public television free to air stuff um you didn't have
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to have streaming you didn't have to go online you didn't have to make the choice of finding the
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right streamer for it it was there and it was always broadcast at just the right time for this so
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the fact that it is still available is great that it's available year-round for subscribers is
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brilliant but i do think it's even here in the uk i think it's a shame that there's a certain
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television history so do you know do you know why p-nuts is called peanuts uh no i did not
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all right i did dig for this uh as we were talking because i was interested in this i thought it
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would be fun but it trivia it's so wait instead of listening to me you went on the internet
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listen to you i do both fun no no it's fine i guess i was not in one of you people could hear me
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not as you were speaking the whole time um so i just thought this was interesting so um it was
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originally called uh low folks right oh yes yeah you didn't really have a good name for it but i
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guess it was suggested um that after watching howdy duty it which was a show that aired up to like
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1947 uh it had a choir of children that sang the intro every episode and they were called the
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peanut gallery and it was a group of children so he thought it would be really smart to call the
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strip peanuts after that choir group because it's a group of children the the comic strip was about
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a group of children the choir group was called peanuts there you go it's it's all very simple but
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that makes sense yeah i think we can wrap up here well except to say how do you do the means would
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mean nothing to me except that it's mentioned in back to the future otherwise totally blank
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here in the UK and i also i suppose we talked about him but we didn't actually say Charles M. Schultz
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questions all of this and in fact one of the reasons that apples deal is significant this recap
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of the fact that like you say it's making more of it this is also the 70th anniversary of Peter so
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a big celebration there and good to see something surviving and thriving like that but we are at the
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point where i need to check um not only where people can reach you but also how people have already
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been reaching you so aren't there any let's say any five star reviews this week
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so we've got a couple of good reviews this week um a repeat person oh i actually cut it off
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in my thing someone go get that real quick so uh first we have a five star review from M. Hotman 31
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mm the review is without a doubt the best podcast on apple western William have made me really
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hyped on listening to this podcast again misses the days of Mikey Campbell and the old crew but the
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duo of Hilliard and Gallagher have reignited the love i have for this podcast thanks guys for an
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amazing episodes and content yeah that's very kind of you yeah yeah thank you well that very
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long time listen to that remember Mikey and the gang that's uh back in the pre history there but
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delighted that they just with they listen as long as i have yeah and right i started yeah yeah
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i started back in uh the start i guess i started i i caught on right after Stephen Robles had left
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the first time and uh listen from there with uh victor marks and Mikey Campbell um so and me
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i was there two some time you you might have shown up at some point i don't remember you at all
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i'm not having a good time today i told but okay fine all right fine okay so yeah let's go back to
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the five star review i was enjoying that one of course if you go and then you have another five star
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review crossbe s w might be familiar uh they're now 14 our young audience member is growing it's time
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happy birthday okay yeah it's all the intelligence impact on vision pro uh was the title i guess
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that's just a reuse title so um let me scan over this real quick so since we talked about the meta
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event and apple glasses they were wondering about our opinions over if it's gonna happen anytime soon
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so we talked about it in the show today congratulations i do think uh we're gonna see apple announce
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their glasses next year i would be very surprised if they don't also release next year rumours
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still point to 2027 but these time on shift dramatically but i think uh i agree these are going to be
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a first step to what meta's display are and we'll see apple's competitor to the meta display
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probably in 27 and that will probably incorporate the apple watch for uh touch input using things
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like double tap and wrist flick which we already have but instead of using it on the watch interface
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you can use it for your glasses interface so apple is a really strong stacked hardware ecosystem
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and that meta does not and forcing people to wear a wristband that is not a smart watch
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not not really that great and it's an eight hundred dollar device so i can't see the meta display
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being very popular but i think whatever apple does in this space because of their technology stack
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already being there i think they can do some very interesting stuff that medican even conceive of
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because they don't have the associated hardware with it like air pods and apple watch so
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very exciting stuff very very excited to see what apple does in this space but that's all the reviews
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i have for this week if you want to have your review read on the show you can go to apple podcasts
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and leave a review doesn't matter if it's five stars or one star we'll read it we like to hear
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the critiques as well because it helps us make this a better show for everyone
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you never replied to me okay i'm sorry to you're persecuted this time um i should realize
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that she i've i never remember to say this but all of our content details are in the show notes
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