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#583: Breaking Through The School World Order | John Klyczek
In episode #583 of Macroaggressions, host Charlie Robinson welcomes educator and researcher John Klyczek to discuss the complexities of the modern school system and its implications for society. They ...
#583: Breaking Through The School World Order | John Klyczek
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Ladies and gentlemen, joining us from Unlimited Hangout.
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It's really good to see John Cleeseck back or, well, to the show the first time, but
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seeing him again after Nashville.
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Good to see you, John.
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How are you, man?
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Doing okay, Charlie.
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Thanks for having me.
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Well, thanks for coming on.
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It was good to see you in Nashville.
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We get to these live events every now and then, reconnect, feel like you're not alone in
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this.
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What would you...
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I didn't expect to see you at Nashville.
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I didn't know you were coming.
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Then boom, there you are.
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How was your experience for Third Eye Carnival back in April?
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That was a good time.
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Yeah, I had popped in on Steve Poichinens when he shows and he just was like, hey, why don't
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you come by.
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So I did that and then pasta, the Jardula, who I actually, we went to a conference a few
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years prior and hung out and he hit me up and was like, hey, you know, once you split
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the Airbnb with me, so I helped him kind of lug food around and kind of help him cook
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a little bit.
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I got to pick up Kurt Medscar from Zainey's and drive him to prize everybody.
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For the birthday party, so I was kind of funny.
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I got to have an hour alone with Kurt and the car, both ways.
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That was his character.
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Yeah.
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That was great.
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That was great.
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When I was sitting up there on stage and I can see, because I can see the audience and
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I can see out the back door and I can see you guys walking towards them going, who is
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that?
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Who is that?
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That's John, but is he with a...
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Is he of a big foot with him?
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Like, who is that gigantic guy?
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Kurt Medscar's name.
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Kurt Medscar's a huge dude.
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I was like, I could see from one and then you guys got closer.
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I was like, I think that's Kurt Medscar.
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That would be really funny if it actually was him.
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Then you guys walk in and you just walk up on stage and there you go.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It was fun, fun time.
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Then we drove back and basically a tornado or it was like right behind us the whole time
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because the bar and the podcast ended as, you know, it's looking close to tornado.
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It was like, you know, style weather.
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It was so cool.
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It's like, let's get out of here and like, we were driving.
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I mean, we were safe, but he wasn't exactly comfortable.
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I kind of felt bad for him.
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Because he didn't even know he was going to be leaving.
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He could have just stayed at Zaney's and stuff, but it was a good time.
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It was a good time.
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Yeah, he was a good, he was a good sport about all that.
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Sam Tripoli and Leonardo Joni both did stand up in the middle of a tornado in a barn.
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Which was great.
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He was pouring rain.
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Wind was blowing all over.
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And Sam's like, man, I'm losing.
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I've never been heckled by the weather before, you know?
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Yeah, I was totally over dressed for that.
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I didn't, you know, I was like on brand and I ruined a nice pair of shoes.
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My life bought me.
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I told pasta.
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I was like, these weren't the right shoes to wear.
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He goes, not at all.
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I was wrong.
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Do you want to see me?
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I don't know.
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I didn't think about it, you know.
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That's funny.
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Well, it was good to see you there, man.
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And I think that I encourage people to get out to these live events if they can.
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If it comes to your area or maybe you have the financial resources to get on an airplane
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and go someplace and do it, just trade in some of these soon to be worthless, federal
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reserve notes for experiences.
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You know what I mean?
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Like anything else than what they're doing right now.
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Yeah, anything other than screen time, right?
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It's good for the soul.
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It gets some physical information, some human in 3D space interaction, not 3D and head
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of her space, though.
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Exactly.
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Well, I've been reading your work for a while, but maybe my audience hasn't.
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Can we just fill them in on who you are and what your sort of, what your background is
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and how you wound up working with Whitney and the crew over at unlimited hangout or at
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least submitting articles for them?
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Like, what's your background?
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So, I'm a public educator by trade.
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I teach college rhetoric and research argumentation.
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I've been doing that for, I guess, it's getting close to 15 years now.
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And you know, this is before Trump, maybe a year or two before Trump came to rise the
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first time around.
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So this is probably 2015-ish, maybe closer to 2016.
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And where I was working in Illinois, we had a governor at the Times, and I was Bruce
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Ronry's Republican.
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And he was basically stalling on the budget and when that happens, you know, public institutions
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they don't get their money.
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So they get shut down and I'm looking around.
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I feel like this is an employee to push public institutions into private receivership.
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And lo and behold, that is, you know, by the end of the whole debacle, they did get a voucher bill pushed in.
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One of my departments had gotten shut down as a result.
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So I wrote an article sort of laid out what Charlotte Thompson, Isra Beat had predicted about
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the school choice movement, which is basically public private partnerships.
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Nowadays, a good term might be like stakeholder capitalism for schools.
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And, you know, I looked around it.
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I knew that Rowner was invested in charter schools.
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There's a, there's a Rowner college prep in the Noble Network of Charter Schools in Chicago.
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I knew that he was buddy buddy with Arnie Duncan, who was actually the Secretary of Education
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under Obama.
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If you looked at his state of the state addresses, he kept talking about career pathways and
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cradle to career and all these types of buzzwords that Charlotte Isra beat had warned about.
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So I wrote that piece and Charlotte got a hold of it.
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And was like, hey, you know, great job.
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You know, keep, keep up the good work.
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And that article became a series of articles, which became the first chapters of my book.
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And Charlotte helped me getting contact with Chris Milligan.
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Thank you very much, sir.
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It's over there.
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It's over there.
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The winter is inside a small.
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So thank you very much for that.
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School order, by the way, is available.
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You can get it from a train days that is it on Amazon too?
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I'm assuming it's on Amazon as well.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, always, you know, if you can from the publisher is better, but I do get a sense of the numbers
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when you go to Amazon.
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It's the only real time metric that I can get other than bothering Chris Constantly, which,
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you know, he's got.
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I'm so.
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Thank you much.
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Yeah.
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And, well, the thing, so one of the reasons why Charlotte was able to put me in contact
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with him.
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So for the little background, Charlotte, she was, she wrote the deliberate dumbing down of
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America, but she also wrote two other book Soviets in the classroom and back to basics.
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And she worked in the Department of Education under Ronald Reagan and she blew the whistle
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on something called Project Best.
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That's basic education skills through technology.
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It was this program to set up public private partnerships between the Department of Education,
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local education institutions, big tech and big tech companies to implement computerized,
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operate conditioning algorithms in the classroom to prepare students for basically workforce
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training and career pathways.
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But she was also, her grandfather and her father were members of the Order of Scullin
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Bones.
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And so she is actually the person who leaked the black books that have all the names of
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the bones men in it.
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She's the one that leaked that to Anthony Sutton, Anthony Sutton wrote, you might be able
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to see it back to that yellow book.
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It's the introduction, America's Secret Establishment, introduction to the Order of Scullin
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Bones.
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That's a reprint that was printed by my publisher, Chris Milligan, who basically rescued Sutton's
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his seminal work on bones on the bones cult and had it republished.
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So she was, you know, she was new Chris because of that.
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And so they sort of put us in touch.
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And from there, the book kind of took off.
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And you know, the book got published in October of 2019.
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So it's just a few months before, you know, the great lockdowns.
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And when that happened, you know, everything really accelerated and, you know, they were
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forcing everybody to use all this ed tech because they really forced to be online.
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And at some point, somebody on Twitter, Pete Lincoln on Twitter just sent it to a tweet
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with me in it.
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And I think Whitney in it as well and suggested Whitney should, we should collaborate or something.
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I said, that'd be awesome.
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And she said, you know, send me a DM.
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So that became the first piece.
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And I, I've written quite a few pieces.
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And I've been writing for her 2021.
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And so that's kind of everything up to the present moment.
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Well, it's, it's a good fit.
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And it's interesting because, you know, obviously Whitney's, Whitney's emphasis has been on,
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well, government as organized crime, I'd say, as a sort of in general.
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But, but really the technology side of it has been a real thread that she's been pulling on for,
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for several years.
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And you might think that technology and education don't have a ton of overlap or maybe some,
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you know, at the way everything has a little bit of overlap as things are getting digital these days.
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But in fact, when you, when you understand like the origins of compulsory schooling and who was behind it
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and how it was really pretty nefarious and that they're trying to train you for a world of going into the factories, right?
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Or you want to work at, I don't know, at a Rockefeller or Carnegie connected factory.
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You're going to sit in these straight line road chairs in school.
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And then the bell goes off to tell you that the class is over, that the day is over.
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And then you rotate out and, you know, it's simulating what it's going to be like working in a factory.
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And so you, you understand like schooling is pretty, you know, like it's normalized for us in America.
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Yeah, you wake up, you know, you're a kid, you go to school, that's how it is.
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You never really can ask too many questions about why they're school.
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You feel like, well, I don't need to be educated.
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Who's behind it, right?
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And once you start digging into it, you get out, you have a lot of questions about schooling.
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And now the blending of schooling with technology, this, this, this combination, you know, I mean,
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I thought Common Core was going to be the death of compulsory schooling.
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And maybe it's a, it's a, you know, it's a stain on it for sure.
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But as we move into this new era where the schooling goes online, maybe even the teachers go online,
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maybe the teachers in front of your class, you know, listen, I mean, we can't have these teachers.
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They don't speak 20 languages in New York City.
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We have immigrants from 20 different countries in this kindergarten class.
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They often speak all the different languages.
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We have to replace your favorite teacher, Mrs. Johnson, with, you know, RoboCop, who's come in here.
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And now, and it speaks 20 languages and it'll talk to the kid from, you know, Senegal in the corner
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who nobody talks to because, you know, and you say, you go, oh, God, where is this going?
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Like, I'm okay with the evolution of things, you know, like everything's going to, you know,
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textbooks maybe turn into tablets and I go, all right, well, I get it.
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It's not the worst thing, but I could live with it.
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But what do you see?
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Because you're obviously seeing, you're extrapolating out a generation into this.
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And I mean, I have a level of fear about this, but maybe it's not the quite level of fear that I need.
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What do you see this sort of playing out over the next, I don't know, generation for these kids?
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Well, if you need a healthier dose of fear, you've come to the right place, sir, because according to Chris Milligan,
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everybody else, my book is very scary.
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As a Chris, it is very scary, it's very scary.
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And actually it ended, it didn't end with the way it ends now.
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It now ends with solutions.
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I just ended with, got to the end of the dystopia and painted the whole picture.
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And Chris basically said something to the effect of like, you can't destroy people's hope in the future.
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And just end the book.
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He's like, you gotta give him some kind of solution.
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So the last chapter, I kind of, you know, I was learning it as I was writing.
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But, you know, talking about looking way down where the rabbit hole ends.
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One of the other things that was happening during that story, I told you about,
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well, a runner basically destroying public institutions was I was also,
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well, tutoring for a company at the time.
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Now, I used to not say the name of the company because they had me on a non-compete clause.
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And I'm just very careful about, you know, I don't need to be,
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I stick my neck out enough with my articles, right?
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I don't need to give anybody an extra, he's just debother me at work or anywhere else.
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But it was Pearson.
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So Pearson was this, you know, it's one of the biggest textbook companies,
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it's very old company.
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It's from South England or UK now, I guess.
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But now, as you know, right, everything's digital.
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So they've shifted the textbooks in general are digital,
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but they also have lots of other applications and tech applications.
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And so they had a sub company called Smart Thinking.
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Smart thinking with one T, by the way, and they cute.
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And I always like to tell this just so people get a sense of how,
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how this should give you a sense of how much these companies actually care about
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the profession of teaching and learning, right?
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With a master's degree, they were paying me $11 an hour.
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Now, if I would have went and got five more years of school,
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I could have got a whole 12 years, $12 an hour if I got to PhD.
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But what I learned was that while I was doing that tutoring,
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one day, this is around the same time, they tell us that IBM's Watson
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is going to co-pilot with us.
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Now, for those who don't know, IBM's Watson was like the premier AI platform
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before generative AI took off.
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And little side note, Watson, the name of it,
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that's named after Thomas J. Watson.
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He was a CEO of IBM that did business with Hitler to process,
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to use the punch card system to process all the eugenics and data
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and the concentration camps, et cetera.
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But I'm sitting there and I'm looking at it and I go,
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well, every day I go to work, then I'm teaching this thing to replace me.
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And I start to think down the pipe and you start to go,
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well, hold on.
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I mean, if one day, let's say these bots are better than teachers
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and they replace all the teachers, why do you need the students?
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Like if you're going to teach the student, certainly anything,
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any sort of cognitive ability or skill that you're going to try to transfer
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to the student, the bot already possesses it.
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The bot can be copied and plugged into any,
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so it doesn't that make the student obsolete as well.
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And so that's where we're placing it to at once.
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This is great.
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You're saying it again?
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I didn't hear you, what's that say again?
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I said we're replacing two people at once.
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You're replacing the teacher and you're replacing the student.
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Like what's the point of even teaching, right?
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If you're going to get, the teacher's going to be replaced by a robot
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and then the people, the kids that he's teaching,
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well, you guys are going to probably get replaced by robots too.
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So why don't I have the robot teach the robots
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and just help a middleman, right?
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Right, right, right.
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And you know, you're looking at it.
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You know, I'm sitting here going like,
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well, if me as an adjunct professor for those of no-no
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and adjunct means in community college
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and universities as well, they're run like companies.
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So you have like, you know, a company,
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you have a couple managers, right?
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And then you'll have a bunch of staff,
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you know, that basically do all the work.
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In a college, the managers you'd have like, you know,
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could be administrators that'd be more higher up
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than like basic level managers.
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The managers are like to tenure track people,
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but the bulk of the teaching is done by what they call adjuncts.
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And adjuncts, you're not tenure track,
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which means you're not locked in, you don't get benefits,
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you don't get in office, you get hired per course,
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per semester, right?
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And so as an adjunct, if I can look at,
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if I can think that far down the pipe,
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well, these engineers and people run in the companies
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that have their, you know, scenario planning
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and their 10 year plans for growth and profit,
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they have to know this as well, right?
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So then you have to wonder like,
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well, then is that the point?
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Like, it's not an accident,
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they must be doing this intentionally, right?
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And so it's like, you know,
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and then you start to think that,
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well, that means that the data mining that all these bots,
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that their program to do, you know,
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that's embedded in any sort of an AI,
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that is not a secondary feature,
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that's the primary feature, right?
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Like whatever the student might be learning
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by using the bot,
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the bot's learning more and it's learning faster.
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And as it learns faster,
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it learns permanently and it extrapolates out.
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So at a some point, you're essentially replacing
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human consciousness with AI consciousness.
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So then you, you know,
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where the book ends up is basically two things,
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social credit and transhumanism,
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because as someone like Elon Musk says,
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well, if the bot can basically do everything
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you can do cognitively and perhaps even more,
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we're gonna have to interface with it to even be relevant
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anymore.
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And that's where you get your neural link
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or whatever type of brain computer interfaces they have
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when it gets, you know, commercial ready.
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And, you know, and so that's, you know,
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just me sitting in front of the IBM Watts
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and that's kind of what laid out sort of my vision
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of this ed technology in the future that way closer
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that I ever wanted to be.
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Yeah.
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And you mentioned that they're reframing this,
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the terminology around this,
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that public-private partnerships and things like that,
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stakeholder capitalism, we're hearing these terms a lot
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by the globalist weirdos.
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And it's code word, right?
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It means something else.
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So stakeholder capitalism,
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you're like, oh, I'm gonna be a stakeholder.
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It's like, not really.
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But somebody will, but it won't be you.
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So what is this, what is the goal, I suppose,
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for these kids?
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I mean, it feels like, I think just data mining the kids,
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is that sort of the goal of this is like,
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let's see what sort of data these kids generate
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and let's Hoover all that information in
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and let's try to make some sense out of it,
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and sell it to somebody or like,
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what's the end goal for them?
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With this?
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Yeah, so that's the primary function
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of the entire system is the data mining.
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And the data has two primary uses.
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One is to build the artificial intelligence.
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So the book goes through a progression of,
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well, and the other one is to use the data
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for social credit before I digress
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and perhaps can't get back to where I want it to go.
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The book goes through a progression of technologies
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and we're getting close to the end of the book.
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I mean, like I wrote it and like seeing like,
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I thought so if you go back and look at Amazon,
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they might have updated it,
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but when it first came out,
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the book said something like 92 pages.
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It's 500, 100 pages of citations.
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That's because a lot of the stuff that I told you
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I was kind of surmising based on tutoring,
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I'm like, I'm thinking that this is more spec,
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most of that stuff is gonna be in the prototypical phase,
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if not theoretical phase.
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Lo and behold, they got, they had prototypes of this stuff.
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I mean, look, brain computer interface,
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the first neural implant is in the 60s.
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Jose Manuel Rodriguez delgado.
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I mean, that's just one example of like how old,
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a lot of the biofeedback wearables,
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like so I traced a progression of what's called
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cognitive behavioral adaptive learning coursewear.
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Okay, this is basically BF Skinners,
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his teaching machine in digital form.
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So it's gonna operate your thinking
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and performance algorithms.
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Then there's a series of wearables
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that can data mine the students, brain waves,
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their heart rates, they have galvanic skin response monitors,
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you can also infer emotions from facial recognition.
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And that's gonna data mine their emotional algorithms,
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their feeling algorithms.
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You take, you aggregate all that,
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what they do is they anonymize it.
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So you have PII and UII.
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So PII is personally identifiable information.
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Then you have UII is user interaction information.
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So basically the UII is all of those different types
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of algorithms.
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They just try to remove, so they remove the individual,
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they take those algorithms, they aggregate
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and put them run through machine learning
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and then crunch them into a large language model
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with neural networks, et cetera.
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And now you have a bot that can interact
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with human speech and human text,
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but can also keep track of your cognitive responses,
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your behavioral responses and your emotional responses.
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So in other words, we've already,
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these LLMs, they're already doing that.
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And at one point, we'll talk,
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we'll touch on a company that's already replacing
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some of my tutoring hours at one of the schools
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where I work.
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So that's what, so a lot of data is gone
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into to develop these large language models,
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which those two are gonna continue that product.
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But the other is for the social credit algorithms.
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And so basically you're gonna be data mining
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and this is gonna be aggregated with other data.
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So your healthcare data, your workforce data,
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what I had come to see as I sort of,
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because I'm looking at it going like,
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especially with the biofeedback wearables,
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a lot of them were pitched for what they call
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assistive technologies.
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Well, that's for disabilities.
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Well, if you've ever taught a class,
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you put in the syllabus on day one.
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If you have a disability, you can go and talk to the disability.
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You can't legally, you can't be like,
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who has a disability?
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It's a medical information.
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You cannot be requesting that.
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So I'm going like, well, if this data,
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if this is for people with disabilities,
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and it's like, that has to be in a separate,
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like that falls under a separate purview.
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Like HIPAA versus FERPA.
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HIPAA would be health laws, FERPA would be privacy laws
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and education.
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But, you know, so I'm like,
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well, how are they going to mash all this together?
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If you, when I stumbled on videos of,
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I mean, it was the journeyman TV documentary
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on the Chinese social credit system,
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I was like, oh, that's what it looks like,
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when it all comes together.
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That's what you're in this,
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and what I'm seeing in this education realm,
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the data mining of the education
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is going to go into this central database
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and healthcare is going to come from here
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and workforce is going to incriminate justice
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and the education is just one aspect
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of this biopsychosocial profile
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that they're going to be building on everybody
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for social credit analytics.
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And in my most recent piece,
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what I'm seeing now is not only just social credit
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for tracking and tracing,
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keeping supply chains moving smoothly,
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but like I see that they're going to be basically,
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they want to securitize human beings.
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So basically, I had Mark Goodwin help me make sure I was,
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make sure I was understanding some
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of this financial jargon accurately.
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And so, you know, I was asked,
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so what exactly, you know,
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what are the debates about the stablecoin?
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Should it be a commodity?
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Should it be a security?
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So what's the difference?
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Well, security is basically the how we test,
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like how we farms or how we orchards or something.
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So instead of selling land,
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they were selling people basically the profits
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you would make on the fruit that was going to grow there.
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Right? Like you could buy,
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so it's an expectation of future profits
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not built into the asset itself, right?
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Because the land could appreciate and value,
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but that's not the security is the part
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of this other thing that just added value.
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So what they're going to do then is basically,
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with all these analytics,
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take a look at a student and go,
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if student A goes through career pathway B
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and fulfills all these learning and workforce outcomes,
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they will produce X amount of dollars in the economy
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and will also save us X amount of dollars
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in terms of criminal justice and mental health,
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because delinquents statistically have shown
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to fall into the cracks and then we have to pay money,
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either incarcerate them or put them
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into these mental health programs.
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So they're going to quantify all of that,
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put it into a bond and then have companies,
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social impact, investment companies, foundations, et cetera,
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basically sponsor, what I would say basically,
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purchase a human being like a feudal lord,
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give you tokens to go on this,
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specifically for this particular career pathway
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for this particular ed tech device, et cetera.
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And if that student achieves the outcomes,
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they get more tokens, they keep going.
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The company also doesn't just get subsidized,
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but an impact investing, especially in what's called
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pay for success and that's out of every student succeeds at.
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They can make a profit.
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So if the student succeed the outcomes,
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they can actually get more money from the government.
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So basically they created this,
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I think the social impact, investment,
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the human capital bonds, the AI ed tech,
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it's all part of one new financial system
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because you need the AI to get the data,
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you need the data to get the impact investment,
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but the impact investment company also needs the data
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to get the money from the government.
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Right, and so that's kind of how I see,
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what is the real purpose of all of that?
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It's the data mining, all that information,
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all those metrics for those two purposes.
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It might be the grossest outcome I've ever thought of.
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They're monetizing people, horse racing,
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betting on them, investing on it.
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So let me see if this is, let me work this out.
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Your kid, let's say you score well on the SATs, right?
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You get on somebody's radar, all of a sudden,
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thinking ding, someone starts watching you.
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They realize pretty early on,
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based on the calculations,
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you're probably not gonna be in trouble with the law.
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You're probably not going to get fall into drugs,
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probably going to have a decent career.
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You're on the right trajectory.
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So could they invest in you?
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So to speak, or what do they do?
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Do they take a 10,000 other people
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that are also scored like them and put them into a bond?
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And then securitize that and sell that on Wall Street
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and have people sort of like have tiered,
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like triple A rated people who theoretically will go out
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and have a 50 year lifespan of generating revenue,
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money, taxes, whatever, spending, the things that they do.
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And you have triple A rated,
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and then I would imagine you have triple B rated,
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we took 10,000 people from the hood
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that aren't gonna do much of anything,
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and you can bet on this if you want,
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but you're on whatever, it's Calcule.
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Is that kind of where we're going,
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like human livestock being securitized by Wall Street?
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Yeah, and so the rankings of the different individuals
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on their associated bonds, that'll be the difference
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in terms of risk.
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It's like, oh, this one's pretty good,
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it's safe money, I know I can make my money back on this one,
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it's like, all this one's, you might not make your money back,
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but there's gonna be other incentives to do that
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because this is where ESG stuff comes in.
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So it's like, you know, the odds that you're gonna get
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your money back for, right?
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The children that don't score as high, it's not,
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but don't worry, we're gonna supplement that with ESG
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because of the fact that you service those people,
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but I'll tell you, this company that is getting,
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it took many of my hours already, okay?
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It's called upswing and it's got,
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it's not just, okay, so it's got a bot,
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it's an AI tutor called Anna,
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I think that's short for analytics
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because one of the selling points is that,
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they've got the metrics all over the website,
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like, oh, our students improve these outcomes by this person
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and in groups, they do an institution wide
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and they have, so they have individualized metrics,
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they have group metrics, you know,
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raised gender class, age, zip code,
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and then they have across the institution.
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And they even, you know, the administrators,
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sent us an email saying, like,
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it's gonna be great because not only are the students
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gonna have the data, but we're gonna have it too, okay?
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And so Anna is gonna, can do tutoring,
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but Anna also does mental health.
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So it starts with this little promo video
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and it's text-based bot and it starts by, like,
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just helping the student organize their daily stuff,
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you know, have an itinerary, et cetera.
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And then the next part is it asks it to help
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it with some tutoring, okay?
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And then the next part is it's like,
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I'm having a hard time, you know,
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I had a family member something,
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so now it's into the mental health thing, okay?
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And by the end of this promotional video,
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the bot, the student is emotionally bonding with the bot.
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It says something, like, oh,
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I can't care about me so much and gives a heart emoji,
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which is all, you know,
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tell you what I say.
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Oh no, that's real bad.
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I saw a documentary, we watched
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my wife watch a documentary the other day.
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Apparently people are dating their avatars these bots.
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Like, and while I'm watching it,
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thinking like, well, those must be programmed,
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that's what they do, your emotional companion bots.
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Apparently that level of emotion that impetus
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to emotionally bond with the user,
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apparently it's built into even stuff
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that has nothing to do with that, like a tutoring bot.
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So, well, it's gonna connect them
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to mental health services, like, I'm pretty sure
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if you're emotionally bonding with a bot
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that's not a human being,
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it's gonna cause mental problems.
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I'm pretty sure, like, I know we don't have the data
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on this, but I'm pretty sure
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that's not gonna transfer appropriately
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into like normal human interaction.
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So, but where I was going with that
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to your, what we were talking about was,
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so I look up the company.
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It's invest, like, one of the companies
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that funds it is social finance.
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Well, I wrote about social finance
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in my, at the most recent piece,
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I did on a limited hangout,
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but the Trump, Trump Ed 2025,
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the first piece I did on school at Shulay's this year
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in March, and it's partnered with the Koch Foundation,
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which is, and it was some kind of a
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pay for success impact investing thing.
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I also wrote about social finance,
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where I discussed it, did a report on it,
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video report on my YouTube channel,
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showing that it's partners with something called
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Future Learn, and Future Learn is this online learning platform
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that's connected to something called
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the Open University out of the UK,
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and that was connected to UNESCO Study 11.
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UNESCO Study 11 was this global,
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basically the global version of Project Best,
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or another way to say that is,
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Project Best was America's domestic version
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of UNESCO Study 11.
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So all of it goes back to Charlottes
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that study that she blew the whistle on.
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So I know that A, it's taking all these data,
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all these analytics.
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I know that most of the people that invest in it
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are impact finance companies.
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It wasn't just social finance.
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That's the one that stood out to me
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that I was most familiar with.
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It's a bunch of venture capital.
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Now here's the other kicker.
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So this particular school is in a predominantly black neighborhood.
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So it's going to serve predominantly black students.
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And the company, upswing, and some of the ones
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that are invested in it are predominantly black.
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So that's up the ESG,
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who get more money back from that.
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So when the school goes,
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hey, look, we're servicing poor students,
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we're servicing black students,
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but look, we're also helping a black owned company to do it.
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So that's more social credit points
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because we're marginalized communities, et cetera.
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And so that's how they'll start off,
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like you're saying,
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well, who's going to want to invest in the people
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with the lowest scores?
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That's how they, that's incentive.
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Because they're going to be supplemented by government, et cetera.
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Well, luckily ESG's going away now
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that Larry Fink is the head of the World Economic Front.
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Oh, wait, never mind.
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It's probably going to be here to stay in some form or fashion.
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What about this other alarming component
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to this transformation, which is not just the data mining
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of the students, but now there's digital wallets for them as well,
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right?
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We're connecting them in to a world
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where they're going to be in some ways compensated
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for their participation.
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This is, can you elaborate on where this is going with regard to?
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I understand that the world is turning digital
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and there's benefits to educating people, educating kids
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about where technology is going.
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And maybe you have a wallet in your pocket,
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but maybe you need a digital wallet in the future.
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And I could be, there's part of me that could say,
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yeah, you got to explain to these young kids there.
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You know, a lot of stuff technologically.
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Like let's talk to them about digital wallets.
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But when it's these companies,
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and then I feel much differently about it,
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it feels like it's part of something else.
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What are they planning with these wallets for students?
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Well, this is, so as I sort of laid out
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how the data mining and the ed tech is just part
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of this aggregate system connects to mental health data
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and criminal justice data, et cetera.
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The digital wallet revolution in the education industry
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is part and parcel to a larger financial overhaul
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in both the entire American financial system
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and the global financial system
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in terms of the rise of stablecoins
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and programmable crypto money.
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So how did the digital wallets fit into education?
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So this is where the school of choice stuff comes in.
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So for people that aren't familiar,
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school choice basically is a euphemism,
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nice little doubles, I mean, it is,
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it's choice like in the sense that you get, you know,
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Burger King McDonald's.
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Like I was at the, I drink energy drinks,
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probably more than I should.
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And I was in the gas station the other day
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and getting one of these and the guy was a nice guy
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who worked for, I think he worked for Monster.
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And he was telling me, he was like, yeah, Monster owns
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like all of these.
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I'm like, really?
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It's like, I'm like, so you know, and I never knew that.
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You're going, and so it's like, you know,
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I have the illusion that whatever I buy,
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it's coming from the same company.
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So it's kind of that, you know,
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it's going to come from a gov corp.
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That's the idea of school choice.
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But there's, there's two large baskets.
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There's the charter school movement
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and then there's these different financial mechanisms.
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The charter school movement's pretty much locked in.
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More or less ubiquitous.
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It's basically charter schools are private companies
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that get subsidized by public tax dollars.
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These other funding mechanisms, we might call them all,
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we might put them all under the umbrella of voucher.
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Maybe we'll call vouchers.
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And then the other two, sometimes people call them neo vouchers.
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As a heuristic for the sake of expediency,
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well, I'll just probably refer to them all as vouchers.
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But some are referred to as education savings accounts
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and some are referred to as scholarships.
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Now vouchers have been attempted and got shot down
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in the Supreme Court.
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So I think that's why they came up with the other names,
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which there are some nuances
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and how the money is distributed.
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So like vouchers were typically just for tuition.
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But education savings accounts can, it's a basket of money
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that you can use to purchase maybe tuition,
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maybe it's private tutoring, maybe it's a range of detective
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ISIS, maybe it's therapies, et cetera.
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But I think they use education savings account
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because we actually have those IRS, like if there's ESAs,
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I forget the IRS code, but that's where you can put money
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into it and you can get a write off.
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Not the same thing.
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This is government money that goes to you,
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took taking from other people, giving to you, right?
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And then the scholarships, those are going to be distributed
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by a third party.
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So it's basically, again, maybe you call them all vouchers
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with different strings attached
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and different distribution mechanisms.
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But what these do is they're going to take government money
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or public tax dollars and they're going to funnel them
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into these accounts, vouchers, et cetera.
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And then students can use those to purchase
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any of the educational products or services that I laid out.
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Now, so the impetus for doing the digital wallets
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is they go, well, dude, how are you going to account?
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The accounting, if you look at this,
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there's this Heritage Foundation article
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that I looked at where they were promoting it.
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And I should note that most of the think tanks,
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Neocon, Beltway Libertarian think tanks
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that are supporting the rise of digital laws
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for school choice, they are all linked up
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with what's called the state policy network.
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And that's basically a consortium of various Neocon
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and pseudo libertarian think tanks that are all backed
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by the Koch brothers.
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And oh, I shouldn't have took that,
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I shouldn't have digressed to take that D tour.
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Oh, the accounting.
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The accounting, I was,
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so they go like, well, you got,
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how many parents or how many students,
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by each one of those is making how many different purchases.
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Well, they need to make sure that you're not spending it on,
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like, and I guess some of the way that the codes are programmed,
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they are restrictive, but like,
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since you can get school supplies from Walmart,
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I guess there's loop holes there,
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you can take it to Walmart.
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And so they're like, well, these digital wallets, right?
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These can be programmed and monitored by these third parties
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to ensure, you know, cut down on waste fraud and abuse, right?
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That's the mantra of these days, right?
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And so you have all these different companies,
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like class wallet,
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Odyssey, Merit International,
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student first tech analogies,
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and SAP,
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are the most prominent ones.
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And they're all supported by either the Excellence
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in Education Foundation or set up by Jeff Bush,
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the American Enterprise Institute,
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again, these are all those state policy network.
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Think tanks supported by Cato Institute,
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another one's called Ed Choice.
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That's the, it used to be the Milton Friedman
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and something for educational choice Heritage Foundation.
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Okay, but they're also backed by a bunch of venture capital firms.
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And, you know, those connected to the PayPal Mafia,
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so like one in particular, Andreson.
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So Odyssey, let's look at Odyssey.
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Odyssey is funded by Andreson Horowitz.
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Okay, and Mark Andreson's.
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Like when we talk in Odyssey, like the video plane.
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No, it's not.
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No, no, no, no, no, no.
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That's Odyssey EE, right?
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Yeah, there's it E-Li.
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Okay, and this is Odyssey spelled E-Y.
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Okay.
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Yeah, interesting though, because Odyssey did have like light coin
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or something, they did kind of have a blockchain platform.
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But no, it's far down there's no like,
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and might have taken money from somebody on Sand Hill Road
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for all we know, I don't know, but it could fall into that category.
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But just to be clear, we're not talking about that Odyssey.
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Yeah, yeah, no, no, no.
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Yeah, so Andreson, and then two others.
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Blaine Capital and Tusk Venture Partners.
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Now, Blaine Capital is invested in Peter Thiel's
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Palantir and Tusk Ventures shares common investments
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with Peter Thiel's Founders Fund.
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Okay, another one, Merit International.
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This one is funded again by Andreson Horowitz,
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but it's also funded by alumni Ventures,
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which again has common investments with Thiel's Founders Fund.
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So this is just a couple examples of the ways that sort of like,
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your venture, your PayPal, mafia, adjacent venture capital firms
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in sort of the pseudo libertarian arm of this new
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Republican-oid coalition are sort of dovetailing
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with the old school, Neocon, Beltway, libertarian think tanks,
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and so you're having sort of the culture wars arm
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of the Republican party and the future of Silicon Valley arm
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coming together to combine their public private school
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choice system with their FinTech system as well.
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And some of these companies are,
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look, so Merit International, one of the things that it boasts,
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by the way, Merit International is also funded by Experian,
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which is one of the big three credit reporting agencies.
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I thought that was during lockdowns when they had the passports
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in Illinois, Experian was gonna manage the database
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for the vaccine passports.
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So when I see a credit reporting company looking at health records
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at a school, I'm like, so for credit, right?
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I mean, you're gonna permit or restrict my access
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to the public square based on a credit company looking
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at health records, like, I don't know, a better term for that
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than so for credit, right?
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It's all funded by Stand Together Ventures Lab,
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Stand Together Ventures.
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It's the venture capital arm of this stand,
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there's a nonprofit, there's a trust,
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it's another co-funded state policy network thing.
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But Merit, the company Merit International,
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it's funded by all those.
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It boasts that it uses a digital identity ecosystem
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to make sure that all of that accounting,
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the waste fraud and abuse, that everything moves smoothly.
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Now, if you take a company like Merit International,
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it has a digital ID system,
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and you look at student first technologies,
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which is using an AI platform called Queen IQ,
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uses human in the loop machine learning,
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to empower stakeholders, by the way.
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Quote, that's a quote.
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Yeah, so I mean, this is your right wing,
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and recent horror with PayPal, all right?
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Well, a stakeholder, so no, your ESG stakeholder capitalism
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did not go away.
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Peter Thiel, by the way, World Economic Forum,
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okay, Ken Howerie, PayPal Mafia, World Economic Forum,
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okay, and he feels Bilderberg as well.
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But, and then in SAP Araba,
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which partners with several,
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well, the parent company is a World Economic Forum partner,
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and then it sells partners with IBM and Amazon
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to World Economic Forum partners.
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This one, now it's a company that kind of does a range
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of financial services for other companies,
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so it offers blockchain services, AI monitoring services,
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and ESG monitoring.
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So between Merit International,
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student first technologies in SAP Araba,
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you have three different digital wallet companies
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that have the three pieces you would need
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for an AI blockchain, stablecoin,
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social credit system hooked up to your school choice,
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digital wallet.
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Yikes.
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Well, you've mentioned a lot of this being sort of right leaning,
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tech heavy, maybe, you know,
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heritage foundation sort of ideas and concepts like that.
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What does the left think of this?
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What are the Randy Weingartens of the world?
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Think of this sort of new pivot with schooling,
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are they on board with this?
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Or is this gonna be some political theater
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where they pretend to be against it,
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but they're actually all working for the same thing?
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I mean, what does the left feel about this?
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Well, for talking about like, you know,
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the mainstream left, the oligarch left,
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like the Randy Weingartens,
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you know, they'll probably pitch a stink about maybe
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that, you know, this administration is emphasizing,
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you know, Christian nationalist more, you know,
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anti-woq, anti-dick,
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that that's probably the main area
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where you're gonna see any kind of disagreement.
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But if you're talking about AI, what they're saying now,
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now I have friends like on the left that like,
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or not, you know, in the left cult, so to speak,
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that are, you know, aware of this,
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and we've talked about this.
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But as far as Weingartens goes,
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like the argument they're making as well,
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we have to make, AI is gonna take off
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whether or not we want it to,
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so we need to instill our values into it, right?
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It's almost like an Elon Musk,
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if you can't beat it, join it type thing.
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So the AFT recently signed up,
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I don't remember, it was several hundred thousand teachers
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are gonna go to some, they made something who instituted,
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where they're all gonna get trained to use AI in the classroom.
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And you know, the companies that they're gonna use
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is open AI,
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Google, is it Google and Anthropic
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or Microsoft and Anthropic?
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I get them mixed up because the AI.gov website
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that recently got published,
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the archive page that they shut down,
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but it's still archive,
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said that either the API or the console app
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was gonna have open AI and Anthropic
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and Microsoft or Google.
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So that middle one is, I get them mixed up.
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But what they do have in common is open AI.
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You know, who set up open AI, Elon Musk.
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Okay, you know, who's running it now?
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Sam Alpman, do you know where we'll find it?
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Peter Thiel.
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Okay, and so it's, you know, all those people
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on the right side of the spectrum are the ones,
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I guess Sam would be more on the left,
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but Bilderberg just like Thiel.
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And the other part is that
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Weingarten also announced that they're gonna partner,
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Direct AFT is gonna partner directly
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with the world economic forum is that curriculum.
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Okay, and I wrote a, there's an old series I wrote
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that unlimited hangouts, four or five articles,
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where I looked at the history of the unions,
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American Federation of Teachers,
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National Education Association,
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and how they are both members of a global union
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federation known as education international.
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And you have people like Weingarten, President AFT,
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but also Lily Uskelsen-Garci,
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who I think she was the VP of the NEI,
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they are board members of EI.
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You have other, I think guys name David Edwards,
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he's high up at NEA, he's at EI.
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But then you have several others,
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Fred Van Luin, Robert Harris,
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Sharon Burle, these people are from,
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I have been Luin, I think he's from the Netherlands,
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one of those Germanic nations,
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the other two are from Australia,
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but these people all, they are all connected
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to the world economic forum.
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They have all attended several meetings there.
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Okay, so what I'm saying is that, you know,
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on the left, if unions are left,
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they're just as much on board with us.
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Well, actually I could tell you that, what's interesting,
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so Albert Shanker, who was the president of the AFT,
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I was probably a quarter century before he died
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and gave up the seat.
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He's the founding father of the charter school movement.
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He came up with the idea for charter schools, okay?
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And Randy Weingarten has, as of late,
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pretended like she's so much,
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you get the only problem the unions have with charter schools
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is they don't have unions.
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If they could get, if they could force the charter schools
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to use unions, they wouldn't have any problem with them.
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You know, and so on the left, yeah,
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there's a long history of it,
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and if you can go and check out that series,
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I wrote that because this was from Charlotte,
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Israel beats files for those that don't know what you see
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behind me, that light, that's about 90% of that library
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was hers.
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She also gave me all of her papers.
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She had like 13 file cabinets, 34 drawers filled,
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and I stumbled onto education international,
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and there's other things like I had,
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there's a, these are all in the articles.
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There's a document 1960s, it's like programmed learning
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and programmed instructions, the title is something like that.
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It's a showcase of BF Skinner's theories and methodologies
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for the teaching machines at tech.
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And partners, it was compiled in partnership with
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Yarmine and Navy, I think the Air Force as well,
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and the Department of Humrose,
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so it's human resources research organization,
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which specializes in human capital management.
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But this is again, just another example of the left
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right being on board with this one, and then Obama.
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Oh, sorry.
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Bill Clinton was the first president
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to sign in the first federal charter school law.
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So the charter school movement started on the left.
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The first federal bill was pushed by the left.
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When Obama got in, he hired Arnie Duncan
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to be the secretary of education,
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and charter schools took off, exploded
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under that administration.
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Duncan, and that's why he picked him,
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because Duncan's pedigree was he basically privatized
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the entire Chicago system as I sort of alluded to earlier.
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It leaves very friendly with round as well.
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So this is 100% bipartisan movement.
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They will pretend like they're arguing over culture war stuff
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to get people, the regular working people,
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to get angry at their neighbors while they get
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the left foot forward and then the right foot forward.
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But as far as Ed Tech goes, they're all on board with it.
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Are they on board with it globally?
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You mentioned some of the World Economic Forum
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getting involved with, you know,
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with writing with an education inside America.
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I'm assuming that it's not limited to America.
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Is this slated for Western Europe or the West in general?
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Yeah, well, that's where the book kind of,
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it's the technocratic globalization of corporate education
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because one of the things that Charlotte pointed out
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and I kind of built on was that,
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well, if you can, if the charter school movement,
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or we'll say school choice, so charter schools
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and voucher programs, if this new system is fully successful,
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she says you won't have an elected school board anymore.
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You won't have a civil process of education anymore.
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I mean, you'll have government education,
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but as far as, you know, local people having any say
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as a local community and voicing your opinion,
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that's gonna be on because, you know,
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the charter schools, they don't have school boards,
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they're companies, they have boards, you know,
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take your money somewhere else, you don't like it,
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that's how they see it.
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So, so we kind of looked at it like,
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well, that system takes over and she was like,
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you know, and she looked at it like one domino.
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Like if you can get rid of the, you know,
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civil process at the local we elected school board,
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it's, it's right, what happens to all the other institutions
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that we actually have some sort of public oversight, right?
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But we were kind of looking at it like,
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so the charter school movement,
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because you also have virtual online charter schools,
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which are global.
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Now Pearson, I mentioned, they have,
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they have ones called Connections Academy,
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I've written extensively about it.
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The first in Vegas was K12 Inc.
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Now K12 Inc was created by Bill Bennett.
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He was the Secretary of Education under Reagan,
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following TH Bell, TH Bell was the Secretary of Education
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that Charlotte worked under.
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So Bill Bennett was basically a direct adherent,
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or of the project best legacy, right?
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He kind of carried that on.
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So, you know, we were looking at it like,
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well, you know, you could have,
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we could have a Pearson Connections Academy
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or a K12 International that could, you know,
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not just basically service everybody in the,
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in the United States,
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but could serve people all over the world as well.
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Now, that's part of it,
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but then what I realized when I started looking
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at this new Fintech system is,
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that's even, that's, it makes it even easier to achieve.
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Because now, if you take the money,
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you know, people like Corey DeAngeles
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he's the sort of the mascot for school of choice,
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and I was like, fun students, not buildings, you know,
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it sounds great, except that the difference is,
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if you take that money and you go to the building,
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and the money comes with government strings, okay?
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And you don't like what the government,
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you don't like the woke, you don't wanna get your jab, et cetera.
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You move out of the building where the government money
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and the strings are not attached.
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But if you attach the money to the student,
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it doesn't matter where the student goes.
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The government strings are attached to that student,
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whether they go to a public school, a private school,
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a charter school, whether they go to a religious school,
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whether they do homeschooling,
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whether it's an online charter school, okay?
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And what that means is that student,
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they're in, all of the oversight of their learning
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is gonna be based on whoever they buy products from.
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They take the money out of the ESA,
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they go to Pearson here, they go to Dreambox there,
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they go to Clever or Newton, or, right, of course here,
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whatever platform they wanna use.
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And so now, you know, it's not just,
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you gotta deal with a corporate charter school industry.
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You gotta like eight other service providers
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that have their own con, right?
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There's no room for a school board involved in that.
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When you plug in the stablecoin factor to it.
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One of the things that, you know, Mark Lewin
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helped me understand was sort of the global implications
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of this genius act and how this is gonna basically make,
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make it easier for people outside the US to get access
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to not just US banks, but US dollars, right?
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And can trade.
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Well, if you can get US bank and a US dollar,
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why can't you have a, you can go take that stablecoin
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and sign up for, I mean, you might not get a voucher money,
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but you can still purchase, you can spend that money
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on alpha school or out school.
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Now they've got these virtual online charter schools.
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No human beings, 100% AI.
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So now you, right, so you have the, so this is,
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you know, now anyway, I said, you know what?
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I see why they called it the Genius Act now.
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Because it's gonna, like, you know,
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it's gonna give them at least another decades of dollar
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to Gemini.
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It's gonna incentivize companies to put money into it.
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It's gonna even individuals at the ground level, right?
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And then that's also gonna expand access to the American
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companies and it's gonna also expand access to this AI system.
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And so, yes, long term, I see all of this sort of
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congealing into a singular global technology.
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Sounds like you're not trusting the plan hard enough.
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Not me.
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And I don't trust, I don't trust very many plans.
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I don't trust my own plan most of the time.
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Well, let's wrap up with this.
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I want to make sure everybody knows where to find you,
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where to support your book.
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Get the book.
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You were nice enough to mail it to me.
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Whitney's been, you know, we've been friends over the years.
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The places where you'd find something that's not there
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It's one way or the other.
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And that will have my most recent article as well.
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If you can support me, I do have a subscriber database.
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So all the, so up to 5,500 interconnected nodes,
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300 something files and I don't forget how many links.
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But that's got rare documents from Charlotte's archives
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and sort of maps out.
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All my, everything I've ever written is mapped
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into that brain database.
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So since the upswing is taking my hours
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and thinking, you can subscribe.
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That'll help a little bit.
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And so yeah, that's where you can find everything.
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That's John Cleesack, everyone.
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Go to Unlimitedhangout.com, support his work.
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Find out, you know, put him on your radar,
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follow him on X, do it all those things.
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If you want to find me, I'm easy to find macroaggressions.io.
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Just one stop shop for all that.
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Thanks everybody.
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Talk to you soon.