34.14 - MU Podcast - Path of the Rain Gods

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spk_0 What can the mysterious universe season 34 episode 14 coming up on the show we've got

spk_0 Muccara and the Naga King insanity in the mist and the redemption of the rainmakers

spk_0 My host Benjerman grundie joining me is Aaron right

spk_0 I'm sorry yeah history it's wrong with your face. Why is it or sprung up and read the second

spk_0 Watching the Clips of Us doing the show and every 3 seconds on like scratching my face or wiping my nose

spk_0 What the hell is going out of this place

spk_0 What a great way to start the show.

spk_0 When was the last time you vacuumed?

spk_0 I vacuumed the other day.

spk_0 Yes, the other day a year ago.

spk_0 Acidistica, this is for good.

spk_0 The other day.

spk_0

spk_0 In 2024, you vacuumed.

spk_0 I swear.

spk_0 I have to go into your office and just pick up all these little bits of paper that are on the floor.

spk_0 That have been there for seven months.

spk_0 That is absolute.

spk_0 Yes.

spk_0 Aaron will shred a document and all of it will just sprinkle on the floor.

spk_0 You can come back seven weeks later.

spk_0 It'll still be there.

spk_0 He's like, why is it so dusty in here?

spk_0 Why is it so, why am I getting allergies in my room?

spk_0 It's because you're living in filth.

spk_0 The whole office is filth.

spk_0 Can I just burn it down?

spk_0 That's my plan.

spk_0 I just want to burn this entire office down.

spk_0 Walk away from a serious unit of two months.

spk_0 You just got to make it two months.

spk_0 Two months.

spk_0 We'll let the new hosts burn it down.

spk_0 Okay, that works.

spk_0 That works.

spk_0 We've found new hosts.

spk_0 We have.

spk_0 We're not going to give details yet.

spk_0 An announcement coming soon.

spk_0 Yes.

spk_0 Thank you to everyone who applied by the way.

spk_0 I'm going to send out some emails to those who made the short list, which I haven't done yet.

spk_0 Thank you for forcing that now.

spk_0 I do apologize.

spk_0 We do have a selection.

spk_0 It's two Americans.

spk_0 We ended up going with a Texas guy in Texas and California, two friends who know each other,

spk_0 experienced podcasters.

spk_0 Really, we went with people who had, I guess, the most knowledge and love for the topics.

spk_0 Well, it wasn't even about that because we got some really excellent candidates.

spk_0 I was really quite surprised to be honest.

spk_0 It took a while.

spk_0 It took a while, but we got really, really great candidates.

spk_0 The problem was a lot of them were by themselves.

spk_0 That made things a little bit more difficult.

spk_0 They're trying to work out who we could pair up.

spk_0 It wasn't really going to necessarily work.

spk_0 It came down to some people that the thing is, these guys, they know Mr. Eish University

spk_0 have been with us for a long time.

spk_0 They know our understandings, our concepts, the themes that we do.

spk_0 And just listening to them and talking to them, they've brought what I think something

spk_0 is certainly in me has been lacking for a while as an enthusiasm for this particular,

spk_0 like an incredible renewal of enthusiasm.

spk_0 And they have a love for the topics, but they're not green.

spk_0 They're not coming at these topics as in ghosts.

spk_0 What have you heard of?

spk_0 Rolls-Wheel.

spk_0 Yes.

spk_0 Exactly, though.

spk_0 There's a bit of maturity there.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 Not that other candidates were like that.

spk_0 I mean, whether we really did have exceptional people, I mean, it's quite difficult to decide

spk_0 who we're going to go with.

spk_0 But I don't know that these guys, they've worked together for a long time.

spk_0 So that dynamic is there as well.

spk_0 So yeah, we're pretty excited for what's coming.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 So if this is news to you, Aaron and I are retiring from the show in December this year.

spk_0 Hopefully we can get the new guys in in December and just have this seamless transition.

spk_0 And then Aaron and I are working on a new show.

spk_0 The working title is Brunch with the Boys.

spk_0 Which obviously people thought we were being serious.

spk_0 I mean, we're obviously not doing that, but we will come up.

spk_0 It is going to be a show.

spk_0 I won't give too many details away, but it is going to be more about like, what's happening

spk_0 at the moment?

spk_0 Well, I wanted to call it domestic terrorism with the boys, but you don't seem to be into

spk_0 that.

spk_0 Again, because we're in Australia, someone's going to kick out Dorian and arrest us before

spk_0 we know it.

spk_0 If we say something wrong.

spk_0 Turn on the Brotherhood of the Sun was another one, which Aaron also turned down.

spk_0 Yeah, that's probably not a good idea.

spk_0 That's just stick to the sun.

spk_0 It'll be some kind of Brotherhood, some kind of exclusive club.

spk_0 Man only, it'll be very, very right wing.

spk_0 No, no, won't be.

spk_0 We'll be dressed in full uniform, arm bands.

spk_0 Sometimes, sometimes we don't know yet.

spk_0 The truth is we don't coming up with the name for a podcast is the hardest thing.

spk_0 Impossible in 2025.

spk_0 Like when we first started 20 years ago, easy.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 It was like 200 podcasts in the world.

spk_0 Go for it.

spk_0 That's it.

spk_0 But there was no names.

spk_0 Now you can't, you list anything you search for any name.

spk_0 And there's gone 10 of them already in the directories.

spk_0 It's not just that though when we started.

spk_0 It's like there was, there wasn't even any social media.

spk_0 I think Facebook was just starting.

spk_0 So it's like, if you come up with a name, like, hey, cool.

spk_0 We've actually got a name.

spk_0 It's sort of podcast, but then it's like, it's a TikTok channel or it's, you know,

spk_0 Instagrams.

spk_0 It's like, it's all right.

spk_0 We'll come up with something.

spk_0 It doesn't matter.

spk_0 But actually, the important thing to say is we're not going anywhere.

spk_0 We're not retiring from podcasting.

spk_0 All new show coming.

spk_0 We're really excited about it.

spk_0 And we also, there's going to be a big change because we're changing studios.

spk_0 And we're also not sure who of us is going to be in the country and who of us is going

spk_0 to remain.

spk_0 Well, I'm, I'm thinking, I'm thinking of certainly leaving the coast.

spk_0 And I'm trying to work out what I do because it is a big deal to go.

spk_0 There's, and there's not many places that I can necessarily go.

spk_0 So I do have access to a couple of places.

spk_0 So I may be going there.

spk_0 But we'll see bunker in New Zealand.

spk_0 No, not a, I wouldn't go to New Zealand.

spk_0 They're even worse with their laws.

spk_0 Like it's just by, I am thinking about going, I'm definitely leaving the coast.

spk_0 So I might be going back to Sydney.

spk_0 We'll just see what happens.

spk_0 But you and I will be recording remotely, but we'll work it out.

spk_0 We need to find a country where domestic terrorism with the boys is an acceptable name for

spk_0 a podcast.

spk_0 That would be the United States.

spk_0 That actually would be the United States.

spk_0 Really?

spk_0 Yes, because I've got the first amendment.

spk_0 So you could call it whatever the hell you want.

spk_0 I'm pretty sure you still wouldn't be able to call it domestic terrorism with the boys.

spk_0 It's satire.

spk_0 Come on.

spk_0 It's satire.

spk_0 Yeah, and we just plan it out on the show.

spk_0 Like every episode is planning the attack.

spk_0 We just, we just like provide examples of like Soros funding, you know, protests or something.

spk_0 That's what it's about.

spk_0 We're not doing the domestic terrorism.

spk_0 That's a good idea.

spk_0 We're just talking about other people doing it.

spk_0 Anyway, back to mysterious universe.

spk_0 I'm going to be talking about fucking vacuum cleaner now.

spk_0 No one can hear it, man.

spk_0 I'm a mess.

spk_0 Chill.

spk_0 Mess.

spk_0 Chill.

spk_0 Coming up, I'm going to be talking about bibbos latest, the dragon and the serpent, rain

spk_0 spirits and the enigmatic macara naga symbolism.

spk_0 Oh, the naga's.

spk_0 Aren't they those weird lights that seemingly are supposed to come up out of the, what

spk_0 was the water basin or something that people claim?

spk_0 Have you seen like the naga lights?

spk_0 What are you talking about?

spk_0 The naga lights.

spk_0 They're like serpentine lights that come up.

spk_0 And I don't know exactly what part of Asia it's from, but they come up out of the water

spk_0 and people say that they witness like these strange old-style dragons that are associated

spk_0 with these lights like coming up.

spk_0 It's really weird.

spk_0 So you're talking like the marfa lights.

spk_0 No.

spk_0 With the West's wild style activity.

spk_0 I'm talking about, well, the naga is a serpent entity.

spk_0 Right.

spk_0 The naga is a serpent being.

spk_0 They traditionally protect treasure.

spk_0 They're guardians of the underworld.

spk_0 They're the naga fireballs also known as the Mekong lights.

spk_0 They're ghost lights.

spk_0 Yeah, you're right.

spk_0 So it's like minmin lights.

spk_0 They're a phenomenon that's seen annually on the Mekong River.

spk_0 But there are some stories that it's attached to dragon-like entities.

spk_0 So that's.

spk_0 Yeah, because that's what a naga is.

spk_0 Right.

spk_0 Oh, there you go.

spk_0 Thanks for derailing.

spk_0 Yeah, totally derailed everything.

spk_0 So I don't know.

spk_0 Do you want to talk about the vacuum again?

spk_0 Can you hear it?

spk_0 Oh, yeah.

spk_0 It's a precedent.

spk_0 Someone winching about the vacuum cleaner on the show.

spk_0 What a strange thing for me to do.

spk_0 I mean, fair.

spk_0 It was a hundred times more annoying when I was ranty about it.

spk_0 Because it's not the same guy.

spk_0 I think after your rant, he probably got the sack.

spk_0 Because you don't hear the.

spk_0 Yeah, it's like a little old lady now.

spk_0 They got rid of the guy, the low IQ 69 IQ guys with the vacuuming into the wall over and

spk_0 over again, like an AI gone wrong.

spk_0 Now they got like a smart little lady doing it.

spk_0 Yeah, much more quiet.

spk_0 It's kind of quiet.

spk_0 I'd heard a couple of bangs.

spk_0 That's what set me off.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 So I'm going to be talking about this connection to, well, he starts off with rain dancers,

spk_0 but also talks about these connections across cultures around the world where they all

spk_0 worshiped a kind of deity that was responsible for rain, storms, floods.

spk_0 And there was an idea that you had to appease this entity.

spk_0 You had to perform a sacrifice or a ritual so that you would receive rain enough rain

spk_0 for the crops and for the harvest.

spk_0 It's not that dissimilar to that story that I was telling you years ago about the rain

spk_0 stone.

spk_0 Remember how there was like rumors of there being a rain stone around here somewhere?

spk_0 It's the same thing.

spk_0 It had to be treated with reverence and respect.

spk_0 And if you didn't, if you moved it, if you upset it, it would cause these, you know,

spk_0 torrential downpours to come through.

spk_0 Well, this stuff is still practiced today.

spk_0 And I'm going to give you some examples in a moment.

spk_0 But one of the ones that I liked was from 2022 when they had the Moto GP race, you know,

spk_0 the bikes.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 They had the Moto GP race in Indonesia.

spk_0 And it was just raining all weekend, like torrential downpour.

spk_0 What is it, Queensland?

spk_0 We care exactly.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 They had the scheduled time for the race arrive and it was still raining.

spk_0 So they brought in this shaman.

spk_0 And forget my ignorance with Moto GP, are you still out to race when it's raining?

spk_0 You can race when there's a little bit of water, but when there's too much water on the

spk_0 track, it's too dangerous to race.

spk_0 So they had to stop the race and it was delayed.

spk_0 So they bring this lady out and she starts doing her, well, the reversal of her rain

spk_0 dance.

spk_0 It's a rain stopping ceremony.

spk_0 Is it a prayer bell and some, yeah, she was going up and down the track and by the end

spk_0 of it, there she was finishing her ritual and it had stopped raining.

spk_0 That's awesome.

spk_0 I'd see the offering.

spk_0 She's got there.

spk_0 Yeah, it's like she's got fruits and what is that flowers or something.

spk_0 Yeah, she became an incense.

spk_0 Really popular and they turned her into a meme.

spk_0 So now she's a rather, rather rain shaman.

spk_0 But this is still practice today and bibu ties this all together with some intriguing

spk_0 links across cultures as to what the nagers are and why so many cultures connect the

spk_0 bringing of rain and storm and floods, connection to the harvest, why they all attribute it

spk_0 to the serpent and we'll extend this to Ketsu Kowadol and the civilization bringing

spk_0 serpent gods as well.

spk_0 It's really fascinating.

spk_0 I can't wait to talk about it.

spk_0 All right.

spk_0 I'm looking forward to getting into it.

spk_0 After our discussion last week, actually about the remote viewing in that river of time,

spk_0 I received a DM from someone I've been chatting with.

spk_0 I don't off over the years.

spk_0 More often she contacts me.

spk_0 Thanks, Lillwellyn, about her name's Lillwellyn and she contacts me to correct me about my

spk_0 pronunciations of British place names.

spk_0 So she seems to be rather, but that's not the issue.

spk_0 So I'm not giving her a hard talk about that.

spk_0 But she's told me a couple of strange stories over the years and you take everything

spk_0 with a grain of salt, especially when you just get a singular name contacting you.

spk_0 But she said, after the experience, after we had our kind of in-depth discussion about

spk_0 the nature of reality and time and we're describing that river, she's like, I've seen it.

spk_0 I've seen the river.

spk_0 She's like, I have seen that river.

spk_0 Was she the one you were describing who saw the pebbles?

spk_0 No.

spk_0

spk_0 She's like, I've had it spoken to her about anything like that at all.

spk_0 She just because she heard the show and she's like, I've seen it.

spk_0 It's in the Kotswolds.

spk_0 I'm like, what?

spk_0 It's a real physical place just down the road to the left.

spk_0 Yeah, and I was like, what the hell?

spk_0 So yeah, I thought I asked if I can retell this story.

spk_0 So yes, I've been convinced.

spk_0 Okay.

spk_0 So I've tied it in, actually, with a couple of other experiences that suggest that, well,

spk_0 maybe there is a little bit something more to this than just simply a story.

spk_0 So we'll go into that later on at the end of the show.

spk_0 Yeah, awesome.

spk_0 Okay. Well, let's get into Bibu.

spk_0 Bibu Dev Misra, of course, one of the writers on our site.

spk_0 And one of my favorites, he always does these incredible.

spk_0 He's really good.

spk_0 Well, he does these deep dives into ancient history and he comes at it often from

spk_0 ancient Indian history, but he ties in all these connections.

spk_0 So obviously in our past, like I said, cultures all around the world,

spk_0 they looked at nature as something sentient.

spk_0 Yeah, of course.

spk_0 Like an animism.

spk_0 Exactly.

spk_0 Nature wasn't mechanistic.

spk_0 The forces of nature were controlled by spirits by deities.

spk_0 And you needed to acknowledge these entities you needed to give them penance, sacrifice,

spk_0 whatever, so it appease them so that you would receive benevolent forces from them.

spk_0 And the most prevalent was the rain giving spirits because obviously without rainfall,

spk_0 you don't get fed.

spk_0 Your crops don't grow.

spk_0 So now the modern mind believes this is superstition.

spk_0 We look at this as old-fashioned thinking.

spk_0 This is something backwards and we don't partake in it in any way today.

spk_0 But if you look at some cultures, like I just gave the example from the MotoGP

spk_0 Indonesian shaman, some people around the world still believe in this.

spk_0 They still practice it.

spk_0 And this is where it's definitely it works.

spk_0 Yeah, this is where Bibu gets us into this research he's been doing.

spk_0 He looks at a Kenyan academic.

spk_0 He's named Mokoa Umbati.

spk_0 And he wrote this paper a few years ago now, but it was entitled Rainmaking Rituals,

spk_0 Song & Dance for Climate Change in the Making of Lively Hoards in Africa.

spk_0 And I looked at these other publications and it's all just like, where's my screen cap?

spk_0 It's all just like breaking the barrier of feminism and

spk_0 Indigenous cultural resources for Marxist this and Marxist that.

spk_0 Yeah, all gender this and gender that.

spk_0 So it's pretty clear what his ideology is, but he was talking about

spk_0 research into well-documented cases of Rainmaking in Kenya and other places in Africa.

spk_0 This was published in the Journal of Modern Anthropology and he's a research fellow at the

spk_0 Department of Anthropology at Moor University in Kenya.

spk_0 But what was interesting and why Bibu brought this up is because the cases that he saw it's

spk_0 and it's going back 100 years in Africa.

spk_0 You know, not just from things that this guy's seen, but other respected anthropologists as well.

spk_0 You mean like contemporary like historical reports from the British and that kind of stuff?

spk_0 Yeah, they've seen the efficacy of these ritual rain dancers.

spk_0 Well, this is something that became quite prominent with the European settlers here in Australia

spk_0 with the Aboriginal people. They noticed the Aboriginal people had certain modalities

spk_0 in dealing with weather and for what of reason it worked.

spk_0 It was the same with the Native American people of America.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 Like, I can't remember the name of which tribe it was, but we covered it on the show where they literally

spk_0 did some type of dance, but it had to be on a particular platform and it had to be done

spk_0 a particular way at a particular time and it did bring the rates.

spk_0 So it's like there is some like wide world, you know, cultural understanding that certain practices

spk_0 can manipulate the weather.

spk_0 And we'll look at the similarity.

spk_0 So one of the first ones he mentions is the Kikyu people of central Kenya.

spk_0 And there's one of these reports cited one of the earliest anthropological

spk_0 accounts from Kenya, the first president of post-colonial Kenya.

spk_0 He recounts in vivid details how the Kikyu community approached their ancestors in prayer,

spk_0 ritual and sacrifice, but seeking them to intercede with God during times of prolonged drought

spk_0 and failure of rains in due season.

spk_0 So it was like something you did as an emergency.

spk_0 Right. Of course.

spk_0 I'll see you.

spk_0 Hasn't rained in a while, but to get the shaman out.

spk_0 During such periods, a team considered pure of in-heart and mind and body,

spk_0 who were free from worldly sins was assembled to offer the sacrifice.

spk_0 Can Yada acknowledges that rain followed every rain ceremony?

spk_0 And so it's interesting I read that line of people pure of heart

spk_0 and it were needed for the sacrifice.

spk_0 I just had to read that and stop and go, well, who's pure of heart?

spk_0 Children.

spk_0 That's children, right?

spk_0 But they're not the sacrifice.

spk_0 Well, I didn't know.

spk_0 I did.

spk_0 Maybe just gloss over this,

spk_0 but they just sacrificing kids to get some rain.

spk_0 So I looked into some more contexts to this.

spk_0 So this is Kenyatta.

spk_0 Again, the form of PM, first PM after they got independence.

spk_0 He wrote a book called Facing Mount Kenya,

spk_0 The Tribal Life of the Gikyu, That Tribe.

spk_0 It was banned in Ireland for some reason.

spk_0 I don't know why.

spk_0 It's like if you get to the Wikipedia,

spk_0 it's all celebrated.

spk_0 Then right at the end, it's like,

spk_0 this book was banned in Ireland.

spk_0 I wonder why.

spk_0 So it goes through what you have to do.

spk_0 And it's got a big list.

spk_0 And yes, you need a boy and a girl under eight years old,

spk_0 who symbolize innocence.

spk_0 And basically they have to prepare the elders abstained

spk_0 from sexual intercourse for six nights before

spk_0 sleep separately.

spk_0 And that's easy if you have kids.

spk_0 And they actually grab a lamb.

spk_0 So it's a lamb that's sacrificed.

spk_0 And during the sacrifice, the children have to hold it.

spk_0 And it's a sacrifice.

spk_0 Unfair on the kids though.

spk_0 It's a sacrifice that's done on a sacred tree.

spk_0 And the funny thing about this description and this guy's report,

spk_0 he actually says in the source of the book,

spk_0 if it doesn't work,

spk_0 you try the ritual again until it works.

spk_0 So it's got like lambs and a dispenser ready to go.

spk_0 So it's like, yeah, he says it works every time.

spk_0 But is that like the seventh time you've tried it?

spk_0 It works every time.

spk_0 Yeah, see, this is a little bit different to some of the other stories.

spk_0 And of course, I mean, they're anecdotal of the observ,

spk_0 you know, European observers.

spk_0 But in those cases, it's like,

spk_0 rain dance done, the rain comes.

spk_0 Yeah, well, not let's keep on going.

spk_0 Let's keep on dancing until it rains three weeks later.

spk_0 Well, the rest of them are more like that.

spk_0 He writes about another dance called the Kallumi,

spk_0 practiced by the Akamba people.

spk_0 During times of drought, again, they do this Kallumi dance,

spk_0 where they bring in the prophets

spk_0 or invoke the blessings of water spirits.

spk_0 There's scholars from the mid 80s who wrote about these dancers.

spk_0 They poured libations and offerings of sacrifices to appease the spirits.

spk_0 Successful Kallumi dancers ended with celebrations as the community expected.

spk_0 Favorable response of rain from spirits.

spk_0 Both Akonga and Khorsta, the two anthropologists,

spk_0 said that it never failed to rain after these festivities.

spk_0 100% of the time it worked.

spk_0 Ombadi also writes about the neuro peoples of Uganda.

spk_0 I think I've got a picture of them.

spk_0 I can put on the screen.

spk_0 Now, this can be either men or female shaman.

spk_0 They undergo specific training to bring in rain.

spk_0 And during times, again, a serious drought.

spk_0 These guys will be brought in.

spk_0 Ombadi quotes the work of Bura Hunga,

spk_0 who wrote that in 1982 on the day of the supplication,

spk_0 Rainmaker's clear a section of the bush or forest used as the shrine for the sacrifice.

spk_0 The shaman provides a minutiae of descriptions of what happens at the shrine.

spk_0 After the ceremony, the people go home to wait for the rain.

spk_0 And according to the anthropologists, they would always get rain before they actually made it home.

spk_0 So I have these practices amongst these cultures,

spk_0 because you're talking about different countries here.

spk_0 And even before country boundaries, you would have had distance.

spk_0 Have they arisen independently?

spk_0 Well, obviously, they're all culturally connected in a way, because they're geographically close.

spk_0 And he's just starting on the African cases.

spk_0 But no, you've got a point, though, because the Indonesian

spk_0 shamanistic version of this is very similar.

spk_0 And even when we look at some of the reports from India, they also include

spk_0 sacrifices with a sacred tree in a similar way.

spk_0 And the basis of it is, of course, always the same.

spk_0 That you're appealing to a spirit.

spk_0 You're appealing to a spirit.

spk_0 Another example is from Nigeria, where again, the priest comes in,

spk_0 the high priest and the people leave food and offerings at the location of their ancestors.

spk_0 Gods answer their prayer and rain begins to fall immediately.

spk_0 And when there is too much rain, the high priest can also stop it.

spk_0 So again, like the motorcycle race, they've got to get rarar, they can bring you in to stop it.

spk_0 So, Bibus says, if all this rainmaking is just backwards thinking, if it's superstition alone,

spk_0 why is it that rain, according to these anthropologists,

spk_0 immediately follows after these rituals and dances?

spk_0 He says, remember, we're not reading the claims of the rainmakers themselves.

spk_0 These are trained professionals doing field reports.

spk_0 Even if there was only one tribe in the world, he said that was capable of making it rain.

spk_0 It raises a very important question.

spk_0 How is it possible?

spk_0 Are there spirits and deities who control rain?

spk_0 And is it possible for humans to communicate with them?

spk_0 Now, he says, while the African rainmaking rituals invoke the rainmaking spirits and ancestors,

spk_0 and they don't necessarily use some kind of symbolic representation of what that spirit is,

spk_0 he says, in many cultures around the world, the rainmaking spirits,

spk_0 these spirits of water responsible for the floods and for the harvest, they do take on a form.

spk_0 And it's serpents.

spk_0 It's dragons, serpents.

spk_0 They live in the rivers, lakes and oceans.

spk_0 They possess magical powers to form clouds, whip up violent storms.

spk_0 He says, and bring life sustaining rain.

spk_0 And that's the narrgus.

spk_0 That's the narrgus we mentioned at the start of the show.

spk_0 So, this is where he starts to branch out.

spk_0 And this is really Bibus strength when he starts to connect all these dots across the world.

spk_0 So, he talks about the Pueblo Indians of Southwestern America.

spk_0 So, you got the Hopi, the Zuni, the Tiwa people,

spk_0 the Pueblo Indians, they revere a horned serpent called a Vanyu.

spk_0 Lives in the Springs, you know, inhabits the oceans, the rivers.

spk_0 It moves in the storm clouds, releases lightning bolts from its mouth and blesses the people with rain.

spk_0 But when it's displeased, you either get drought or you get floods.

spk_0 Then you've got the Hopi, who still do this dance today, apparently, and I've got this on the screen here.

spk_0 See the guy in the front? He's got a snake in his mouth.

spk_0 They dance around with a snake in their mouth.

spk_0 This is the rain dance or the snake dance.

spk_0 The rain dance is performed in spring during the planting season and then they do it again at harvest.

spk_0 And the snake dance is in late August.

spk_0 That's the one where they have the snake in their mouth.

spk_0 After the dance, the snakes are released and they say the snakes going in four directions,

spk_0 they carry the message to the spirits who then bring the rain.

spk_0 So the snake is like the messenger.

spk_0 And the Hopi are certain he says that their rituals and dances help them survive.

spk_0 And he quotes an Indian country today newspaper.

spk_0 A Hopi Indian is in the comments section saying recently during the ski season,

spk_0 the managers of ski resort in Park City, Utah invited a group of you into dances to perform a dance

spk_0 that would bring much needed snow to the resort.

spk_0 Because there was no snow.

spk_0 There's no snow. You're out of business.

spk_0 You start losing money.

spk_0 They danced and the next day she said, it's snowed and it kept snowing for three days,

spk_0 who is to judge the power of prayer or belief.

spk_0 And I love that when money gets involved, all the kind of, I guess,

spk_0 materialist thinking we have goes out the window.

spk_0 And it's like, okay, we've got to explore.

spk_0 We've got to explore. We've got to get the rain shaman in.

spk_0 You know, it's like the atheist begging for is to God for it to save his life,

spk_0 facing and pending doom.

spk_0 All that materialism goes out the window.

spk_0 And then you get to Mesoamerica.

spk_0 So you've got the feathered serpent.

spk_0 So we know about Ketsu Koadal with the Aztecs and you have the Mayans with Kukul Khan,

spk_0 essentially the same deity.

spk_0 And of course, you have the pyramid temples that are built

spk_0 that contain the iconography and the depictions of the feathered serpent.

spk_0 So he points out there's a stairway at the pyramid of Kukul Khan in Chichen Itza,

spk_0 where the stairway to the top of the pyramid is flanked by the serpents on either side of the stairs.

spk_0 And they terminate in open mouth serpent heads at the base.

spk_0 And I've got an image of that.

spk_0 You got that classic imagery there.

spk_0 So again, it's like the nagas you were mentioning from India,

spk_0 they're the protectors of the sacred site, same with the feathered serpent.

spk_0 He's a protector of the sacred site.

spk_0 Well, I mean, this goes to my point before when I was asking about these particular tribes

spk_0 across Africa. And even though geographically, they are closer, I was wondering if it

spk_0 did arise independently because clearly you've got what we can see as independent cultures

spk_0 that are geographically dispersed, still worshipping the same sort of entity.

spk_0 Yeah, and it's in those overlaps that it starts to get really interesting and leads to deeper

spk_0 questions. So again, Ketsaku Adela as we know, he was the bringer of civilization.

spk_0 Yes.

spk_0 That bestowed the gifts of knowledge and craft and agriculture and architecture and writing

spk_0 and everything that would create a civilization. But also the God of wind and rain.

spk_0 He was the bringer of rain clouds, the representation of the celestial water and its associated

spk_0 winds, even the texts that were translated by the Spanish like their old codexes.

spk_0 They say Ketsaku Adela, he was the wind, the guide and the road sweeper in the rain gods.

spk_0 Now, that's an important thing to remember when we get closer to where this is going,

spk_0 the road sweeper of the rain gods are the master of water of those who brought rain.

spk_0 And so what does this all mean? What's it pointing to? Why was Ketsaku Adela called the road sweeper

spk_0 of the rain gods? What role could a serpent possibly have in causing rainfall?

spk_0 And it's a great question like why not a fish god? You know, why not a wave or some kind of

spk_0 like is it there's got to be a better representation of water than a serpent? Why is a serpent

spk_0 related with water? That's a good question. Is it just the undulating movement or something?

spk_0 Well, let's look at a couple more examples. So another obvious one.

spk_0 We know this one in Australia. The rainbow serpent is the protector of water bodies and the

spk_0 provider of life giving rain. Well, that's because he created them, Duny. Isn't that this part

spk_0 of the story that one he moved across all the ants that he created the rivers and the valleys?

spk_0 I don't know. In the dream time stories. I just kind of switch off.

spk_0 Well, these are stories. These are stories I remember from when I was a kid before it became so

spk_0 politicized here in Australia. Well, that's why I say I switch off. I get a ram it down your throat.

spk_0 Ram it and what's even more absurd is even recently here. There was a guy who built on his property

spk_0 built a bridge. Here you go. Yeah, farmer five two thousand dollars for disrupting rainbow serpent

spk_0 by building a bridge on his own land. It's absurd. I like how I can just predict that you're

spk_0 going to mention that story. It's because and this is a thing, but there are Aboriginal people

spk_0 that are saying this is absurd. It's absolutely insane to be doing this to people. It's because

spk_0 a local tribe said that he disrupted the rainbow spirits watering hole and so he had to pay two thousand

spk_0 dollars. And so this yeah, this is where it crosses over into the political. I've got another

spk_0 example here. So one of our gas giants, Santos, they're in this extended dispute that had to go

spk_0 to the federal court because an Aboriginal an indigenous man an Aboriginal man said their gas

spk_0 drilling was going to disrupt the rainbow serpent and the crocodile man. Wasn't that though,

spk_0 but I received a recall it like similar claims was made by some white bitch and she was like,

spk_0 oh, I'm Aboriginal and it was like, well, they're never Aboriginal. That's the thing. They're

spk_0 high-jacking Aboriginal culture. Yeah, they're a voice. But you see how absurd it is. They see how

spk_0 much money it costs as well. Like this had to be five. Remember this particular dispute, it must have

spk_0 cost if not tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of dollars to fight illegal costs.

spk_0 Yeah, and this is this is constant now. This kind of political eye-jacking. But the point is that

spk_0 but that is a beautiful story. Also in Australia, yeah, the rainbow serpent was the bringer of life.

spk_0 It was connected with water. It was connected with knowledge as well. It's a creating deity.

spk_0 And so then from there you head to China and you've got the dragon, which is the rain spirit. You've

spk_0 got Ying Long, horn spiked crown, shark, sharp fangs, scaly body poised for action. There's a quote

spk_0 from Han Yu from eight century source that says by puffing out his breath with a roar, the dragon

spk_0 forms the cloud. It is by mounting his own breath that the dragon journeys to all corners of his

spk_0 imperial. He gives rise to thunder and lightning. He brings about the transformation of nature such

spk_0 that water pours down upon the earth beneath. Now I read that quote of the dragon's breath being

spk_0 the key to the creation of rain and water. And then I recall I told this story on the show before,

spk_0 I don't know if you remember, but you know the lake out in Canberra, Lake George. Yes,

spk_0 there it is on the screen there. Very eerie place. A friend of mine was traveling with the

spk_0 Chigong master who was visiting from China and they were driving to Canberra because that's our

spk_0 nation's capital. Well, you basically drive along the, even though it's empty at the moment, a lot

spk_0 of the time it's empty, you drive along the banks of it. Yeah, you drive along this lake, which,

spk_0 as you can see on the screen, it mostly always looks like this where it's just basically looks like desert

spk_0 or arid farmland and you'll see cows and sheep going all the way out. But sometimes it miraculously

spk_0 and we don't know exactly the mechanics of it, it fills up. And what's strange is there's a lot of

spk_0 paranormal phenomena connected to it, including like, when it fills up, I think it was only like

spk_0 four or five feet deep and a bunch of army cadets drowned in there. Oh, really?

spk_0 But there was no, it wasn't like it was bad weather, it was five feet deep and somehow this weird

spk_0 phenomenon occurred. Well, the, of course, the geographical explanation is that it's like a big dip.

spk_0 A big collection port actually. But what was this visiting Chigong master saying?

spk_0 Well, as they were driving past, he kind of looked over into the lake with no water in it and told

spk_0 my friend that, oh, the reason the water comes and goes because this lake is known for overnight,

spk_0 just suddenly filling up out of nowhere. He said, the reason behind it filling up and the water

spk_0 disappearing is because there's a dragon there. Right. And the dragon, when it breathes out, the,

spk_0 well, I can't remember if it was breathing or breath out, but when it breathes out, the lake

spk_0 fills with water. So sometimes you'll be driving past and it looks like this or more. Well, yes,

spk_0 like completely full right up to the road. But this is also a lake where there's a lot of strange

spk_0 when it's full, not when it's empty when it's full. There's UFO activity associated with it.

spk_0 And there's stories like of people, there was a case from, I think it was in 1970s. I mean,

spk_0 Canberra is big at now, but even, you know, 20 years ago, Canberra was about 300,000, maybe 400,000

spk_0 people, but other than the 70s, it was much smaller. And it's also kind of rural. It's like it's,

spk_0 it's in further than we've, we did a story actually on the weird, um, geometry of Canberra. But this

spk_0 particular story was that these women were driving along, like along that actual, um, like bank,

spk_0 because that's where the highway runs, where the road must have run. I think the highway's been

spk_0 upgraded since. But as they're driving along some weird UFO popped up out of the water, which again,

spk_0 it's four or five feet deep. If that, this UFO popped up out of the water and locked some type

spk_0 of tractor beam onto their car, instead of dragging them towards the water. And I think enough

spk_0 screaming and carrying on it all stopped and then it disappeared. But like what an incredible story

spk_0 from this, you know, body of water that has this paranormal history attached. Even if you do a

spk_0 bit of searching on Lake George, just on the, the general way it fills up with water, it sounds

spk_0 mysterious in itself. Like they say it's extremely unpredictable. The waters come and go like a

spk_0 mirage. There are stories of the lakes, waters retreating up to a kilometer from the shore in the

spk_0 course of a single night. Yep. But just vanishes. And there's all, there's been all these theories

spk_0 that there's underground caverns and all sorts of stuff on the bridge there. None of which has

spk_0 been validated. Yeah. Of course. So anyway, you know, going back to China, there's a few sources

spk_0 of bibu sites where again, it's a ritual. It's an abasement to this serpent-like deity to bring

spk_0 water. So there's an account that at the time of drought in Kauen, this is back in the, what is

spk_0 that 713 CE? We hear of an official who had a single white dragon painted on the walls of his

spk_0 office. Immediately a dragon rose from the lake and mounted the clouds and winds and the rain

spk_0 Julie followed. So the idea is that it's some kind of magical painting. It's like, yeah,

spk_0 summoning the spirit. But it's almost like a talisman. Yeah, something like that. A popular

spk_0 technique was to fashion clay dragons and perform the steps of you, which was a dance at the side of

spk_0 the steep pool to induce the dragon to come out of its layer. Dancing ewes would perform with

spk_0 scarlet drums and after prayers, they give thanks and again, sacrifice animals. So there's sacrifice

spk_0 involved as well. Then we had to ancient India. So the symbolism of the serpent is the Naga,

spk_0 but you also have the water dragon in India, which is the Makara.

spk_0 Bebe points out both very popular with water and rain. So the Naga's are throughout Asia

spk_0 and semi-divine serpents live in deep lakes rivers, you know, the drill, but also protect treasure,

spk_0 protect ancient sites, protect sacred spaces. Here's an example of one from Ankur, what on the left

spk_0 there. I've seen this. Across India, it is not unusual to see stone carved Naga idols placed under

spk_0 sacred tree. So again, this connection to the tree, the same as Africa. Villages make offerings to

spk_0 the Naga gods to ensure rain, fertility and protection. On a specific day of the year called

spk_0 Naga Panchami, Villages make offerings to the Naga's for adequate rainfall and boundful harvests

spk_0 and there it is. So isn't that weird? It's the same as the African thing where you do the ritual

spk_0 under the tree. You give offerings under the sacred tree. That's the strange thing about it. It's

spk_0 at some point these different cultures have recognized that the entity that's responsible for it

spk_0 is very similar. Okay, but here's where it gets really strange. There's another entity you've got

spk_0 a deal with when you're looking at India and also Southeast Asia as well and that's the Makara

spk_0 or the water dragon. It's directly tied to rainfall and the Makara is like a weird hybrid

spk_0 and it's got an elephant snout, crocodiles body, alliance poor and a peacock's tail. So it's a

spk_0 chimera. Yeah, it's a chimera. That's what it looks like. So that's one from a museum in Calcutta.

spk_0 So can you kind of make it out? Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, there's a dude sitting on the back.

spk_0 So the Makara is sometimes shown with someone on its back and that's Verruna, the Vedic God in charge

spk_0 of waters, oceans and rain. So everything about this is rain, harvest, water thing. So here's

spk_0 another one from an Indian temple on the screen there. An elephant? Oh, but that's, it's got, yeah,

spk_0 it's crocodile body elephant nose. It's got that kind of elephant trunk. Here's a more modern

spk_0 version again from India. How cool is that? But these are found all over Asia. So you also

spk_0 find them in China. Thailand? You also find them, yeah, they're in Thailand. They're in the Mayan

spk_0 and Olmec cultures have them as well. And this is, so the Olmecs had them. Yeah, so this is where it

spk_0 gets super weird. So here's an example. You've got on the top image there, that's an Olmec dragon,

spk_0 a green stone figure of a dragon, 900 to 300 BCE. And then you've got, oh, it's for sale.

spk_0 You've got the Mayan, you've got the Mayan god of rain. That's in the bottom right. And let me zoom

spk_0 in a little bit. Can you see it's face? Yeah, it's got the, it's got the elephant snout.

spk_0 And then you got this one from China, the Makara head in Beijing, the same thing.

spk_0 And then you've got the one I showed you earlier from India. How do they all have the same weird

spk_0 chimera hybrid creature? The only thing that could come. It's all responsible for rain in every

spk_0 culture. Yeah, the only thing that could come to mind is that this is from a, an unrecognized

spk_0 greater global culture that has existed prior to all these civilizations and it somehow has

spk_0 spread into them later on. Well, the Mayans, that's a good point because the Mayans followed the Olmecs.

spk_0 Correct. And we know that it's the China chart, the world, that the Olmecs were Chinese refugees

spk_0 who fled a crumbling kingdom. And what was it like 1500 BC or something? And they made it to the

spk_0 coast of Mexico. So it's like, it is a, there is a progenitor. And that's a whole other rabbit hole.

spk_0 And let me give you a little test is, okay, which one of these is Olmec and which one of these is

spk_0 shang Chinese? That's Olmec, that's shang. This one's shang and this one's Olmec. Because you know,

spk_0 you're correct. This one, which looks like the carving of a Chinese guy's face,

spk_0 why do you say that Ben? Is Olmec. This one, which looks like an alien, is Chinese, that's shang

spk_0 Chinese. Isn't that weird though? I mean, that one just looks Olmec, but it's shang Chinese.

spk_0 I don't necessarily think so. I think there's more. And what you know what I gave it away for me

spk_0 is what was the material? All the jade, because they both use jade, but both heavily use jade.

spk_0 This is another one. So you see the, the ritual Kong on the left, which is shang dynasty.

spk_0 And then you've got the motif on the right, which is Olmec. It's the same guy. It's the same

spk_0 dude. Just slightly different style. So what this is suggesting is one is that, well, you've got

spk_0 shaman's from these groups that are interfacing with this other realm and they're seeing these

spk_0 things. They're actually seeing these entities, which is possible, which is plausible. It's

spk_0 superstitious, but it's plausible. Or there is a progenitor contact some here or culture.

spk_0 I think in the case of the Mesoamerica and the Chinese connection, it's pretty undeniable,

spk_0 especially when you look at their text. Like on the left, you've got the Olmec script.

spk_0 And on the right, you've got shang dynasty Chinese script. I mean, it's the same.

spk_0 It's the same. And remember, we covered this on a show. I think it was, um, where was it?

spk_0 It was actually from one of bibbous articles. From where did the Olmec's learn yoga,

spk_0 the evidence of trans-Pacific contact? And we ended up doing a show on this. I'll link to that

spk_0 in the show notes as well. But he had the story of the... Remember, it was like a guy who studied,

spk_0 it was a Chinese scholar and he studied shang script and he went into like an Olmec museum

spk_0 display one day and randomly he was like, oh, I can read that. Yeah. That's weird. I understand

spk_0 what this writing is. And that's how he made the connection. And ultimately, it's all originating

spk_0 from Hygium. That's right. It all traces back to Hygium and Well said. We can mention that on

spk_0 our new podcast in uniform. So incidentally, he says many temples in India and Southeast Asia

spk_0 have a macara balustrade where the serpentine body of the macara forms the handrail of the staircase

spk_0 and it terminates in that macara head. So let me zoom in and get a bit on Indonesia.

spk_0 So you got the same creature. Yeah. Terminating on the head there of the serpent. And that's the one

spk_0 from Mexico. Now, from here, it gets even stranger. Are these bibous own photos? Yeah, a lot of

spk_0 these is from his travels around the world. That's so cool. So let's talk about the Nagar King.

spk_0 In a lot of these statues of the macara, this weird hybrid creature with the elephants,

spk_0 nose and all the other bits. There's a Nagar King emerging from the mouth of the macara or the dragon

spk_0 or the serpent. Let me give you some of that image you put up before of the peacock kind of thing.

spk_0 Well, this is an example here. So we can see the macara creature

spk_0 sees head and see how coming out of his mouth. This is like a little monkey dude. See this guy

spk_0 coming out of his mouth. Oh, I see. Right. Yes, right in front of me. Wow.

spk_0 So yeah, that's amazing. In some sculptures of India and Southeast Asia, the serpent king,

spk_0 the Nagaraja, is shown emerging from the mouth of the macara of this serpent dragon.

spk_0 He's depicted in the form of a lion-faced animal wearing a many-hooded serpent crown.

spk_0 So the one I'm showing on the screen right here is from Cambodia.

spk_0 So in those balustrades flanking the stairways of temples in Southeast Asia, it's the same as

spk_0 Mesoamerica. You will often see this serpent coming out of the macara. I've been here.

spk_0 So this one's Thailand. Yeah, I've been here. I see this. Yeah. Do you know where this isn't Thailand?

spk_0 Yeah, it's not. There is, um, anyway, it's somewhere where a ship pulls it because I went in

spk_0 on a ship. Okay. So it's, yeah, it's not far from a ship. So this is, I wish I was showing my cursor,

spk_0 because I can't really show you, but you can see the macara on the back there,

spk_0 that kind of move-looking creature. And the Nagar king is coming out of his mouth.

spk_0 See all the serpents coming out of the mouth. What is going on? It may not be the same location,

spk_0 because the one I went with had like a big border lounging inside, but there was something very

spk_0 similar to this hanging around outside. Okay, so this is in Thailand. Yep. And we've seen it in

spk_0 Cambodia, but that's all Southeast Asia. But the weird thing is, like you go to Mexico,

spk_0 it's coming out of the, the things head in Mexico as well. Like see the jaws of the creature there.

spk_0 And there's the little dude's head coming out of it. It's the same thing. This is in

spk_0 Labna in the Yucatan Peninsula of Mexico. Archaeologists have found the carving attached to the

spk_0 roof of one of the buildings. And the Mesoamerican archaeologist, he says, have no clue what this

spk_0 represents. Absolutely no idea. So there's no, like, I guess because there's not really any,

spk_0 there wouldn't be written text or anything left, would there? It's not coming from carvings.

spk_0 Because everyone's so specialized, it's, you don't have too many people making these cross-cultural

spk_0 connections. Because remember, all this trans-Pacific contact and these ancient people influencing

spk_0 each other to this massive degree, isn't something that's really acknowledged in, you would say,

spk_0 I guess mainstream archaeology. Nor do they want to acknowledge it by the sounds of it. Well,

spk_0 exactly, because then it puts a question on the true origins of the cultural things that they

spk_0 prize so highly. And so, but this is a clear example of this symbology being shared or maybe like

spk_0 you mentioned some dominant ancient super ancient civilization that influenced all the entire world

spk_0 existed in the past, but has now been lost. Well, I don't want to say Atlantis, but something like

spk_0 that, like a civilization that's been lost. Something like that idea. And Bibi, who knows that

spk_0 this is obvious. There is obviously massive trans-Pacific contact, there's exchange of ideas,

spk_0 cultural ideas. But what does it all mean? Well, he says, what is even more critical to

spk_0 determine is what are these complex symbols and beliefs about the dragon and serpent spirits

spk_0 actually refer to? He says, most scholars happily dismiss them as myth-making. It's just all these

spk_0 different cultures making up images, symbology, metaphors. I'm sorry, it can't be that much of a

spk_0 coincidence. Well, that's what he says. It doesn't make any sense at all that it would be that.

spk_0 Why would so many widely dispersed cultures evolve a complex set of beliefs and symbols that are

spk_0 similar? And it's not only across geography, it's similar across time as well, because we're talking

spk_0 about very old civilizations, you know, going up to, you know, relatively modern times. Well, the

spk_0 thing is from like the representation of a chimeraic being, I could understand why a culture would

spk_0 create a being which would be similar to another culture, because you would like a trunk, or that's

spk_0 the nose, and then the face is a crocodile, and like that all kind of makes sense. So it's just a

spk_0 natural thing that human beings would do by looking at different creatures and going, oh, that kind of

spk_0 matches up with that. But when you have something so specific of it emerging from the mouth of

spk_0 another ant, it's like, yeah, why would they all have some snake king coming out of its mouth?

spk_0 Like they all happen to randomly have the same, what's that word? What's that game when you

spk_0 join pictures together? Oh, what's that game? You draw something and then you fold it down and

spk_0 it joins it together. I can't remember. I can't remember. No. One of those weird things. Yeah,

spk_0 I get it though with a million possible combinations. They come up with the same combination

spk_0 each culture and the weird dude coming out of its mouth. He says it's all a big mystery.

spk_0 Dragons come out of water bodies. They create rain clouds, serpents emerge from the mouth of the

spk_0 dragon. They bring wind, rain and lightning. These rain spirits are conscious and they can

spk_0 be invoked through rituals. What are these images referring to? What are the ancients trying to

spk_0 convey? Now, Bibu admits he had seen all these connections a long time ago and pondered it for

spk_0 many years and came up with nothing. He just could not solve the mystery of why there were these

spk_0 connections and do Bibu can't do it. They're stuff it shows done. Until now, he says, oh, okay, all right.

spk_0 He started reading about the phenomenon of atmospheric rivers and it all started to click.

spk_0 So what is an atmospheric river? So these are massive rivers of moisture in the atmosphere

spk_0 that carry more water than 15 Mississippi rivers combined. Wow. Their long, narrow corridors

spk_0 have intense water vapor transport that can be thousands of kilometers long, sometimes spanning

spk_0 entire oceans. Here's an example of from satellite imagery. There, you can see it stretching across

spk_0 from where's that from Asia to the coast of America. So with my lack of meteorological knowledge,

spk_0 isn't that just cloud cover? Obviously, it's cloud cover, but it's full of precipitation.

spk_0 Well, this is just a term that was coined by meteorologists, Reginald Newell and Yongju.

spk_0 They're both from MIT and they coined this term in 1998. They found that although there are only

spk_0 three to five atmospheric rivers in the middle of the choose of each hemisphere at any given time,

spk_0 they carry more than 90% of the total moisture moving forward.

spk_0 Oh, so this is what ties in with like El Nino and La Niña. Yeah, I guess it's all connected.

spk_0 Think of these guys as they're literally just, it's great. They're just rivers in the atmosphere.

spk_0 And since they carry so much water vapor, once they cross land, they can trigger torrential rainfall,

spk_0 dangerous mudslides, heavy snow, floods as well. Now, if you're an origin that doesn't have any of

spk_0 these atmospheric rivers, what do you get? Arrog, does it like landscapes? You get the opposite,

spk_0 you get droughts. I found a video from Michigan engineering today on YouTube and I hope I can

spk_0 play a clip without getting banned. But let's let's fight it all the dice. Let's take a listen.

spk_0 Atmospheric rivers are global scale moisture transport systems that drive the majority of

spk_0 moisture redistribution from the tropics to higher latitudes. These systems of transport are

spk_0 highly important in connection with the replenishment of water resources in many areas around the world.

spk_0 However, they are also influenced by climate change. Extreme weather events such as severe flooding

spk_0 and high winds are now found to be associated with atmospheric rivers. Postdoctoral fellow Ashleigh

spk_0 Payne has developed a series of animations that have enabled her to understand what creates an

spk_0 intense atmospheric river before its impact, with the goal of better representing them in climate

spk_0 models so that water resource managers can be better prepared for these events.

spk_0 There's such fluid features and that's what made studying them so difficult to start with.

spk_0 How do you pin down the climatological behavior or something that's constantly moving around?

spk_0 No one had really tried to look at the large scale features of these atmospheric rivers before

spk_0 by looking at these. The reason I wanted to play that clip is because it demonstrates how new

spk_0 this science is in terms of fully understanding how these atmospheric effects work.

spk_0 Well, the moment they say models have just like thrown out.

spk_0 Really thrown out. Don't trust it for a second.

spk_0 But there's a bunch of studies from the early 2000s that show these atmospheric rivers.

spk_0 Sure, of course.

spk_0 Directly responsible for like huge floods in California. There's one linking droughts to South

spk_0 Africa and Spain. They are crucial to these major weather events throughout the world.

spk_0 And Bebe goes through some of the scientific literature on these and says, look, there's been a

spk_0 bunch of names assigned to these over the years. Tropical plumes is one, moist your filaments is

spk_0 another atmospheric conveyor belts. But he says they've missed an obvious name and the obvious

spk_0 name is their rain serpents. The way they're rivers, the way they behave, the way they function in

spk_0 the atmosphere is exactly like a serpent. He says structurally and functionally, they were identical.

spk_0 atmospheric rivers look like long serpents. They do what serpents are supposed to do. They bring

spk_0 rain. Moreover, he says atmospheric rivers are also associated with like I said, disastrous

spk_0 floods, droughts, something that the ancients feared that the serpent would bring upon them

spk_0 if it was provoked or if it didn't get enough sacrifice. So apparently, like again, this is all

spk_0 new science from like NASA satellites catching up with ancient philosophy. Exactly. Like the latest

spk_0 data imaging software essentially showing something that the ancients had a sophisticated

spk_0 understanding of. Well, the only difference is though is that surely with the ancients,

spk_0 doesn't it suggest that there is a belief that they can summon them?

spk_0 Yes, I'll get to that. So there's a clear distinction between the modern scientific view

spk_0 and what the ancients understood. And we'll get into that because that's important. But

spk_0 I just wanted to show you another image. There's, oh, I haven't included it. Why didn't I

spk_0 include it? I'll just have to quickly put this up on my screen because there's an image he

spk_0 saw from NASA, which really showed the connection here it is here. Let me just pop it up in my

spk_0 browser. I'll just put on the screen there. So he saw this. This is rivers in the sky. And it's

spk_0 a depiction from NASA and the NOAA. He says it shows an atmospheric river making landfall on the

spk_0 west coast of the United States. The serpentine plume of moisture is pushed up the coastal range,

spk_0 moves down into the valley and is again directed up the seer and Nevada mountain range. And as

spk_0 the vapors rise over the mountains, they condense and fall as heavy snow hail or freezing rain. So

spk_0 look at how it's kind of going up over the range. Then it's dipping down again and it's going

spk_0 back over the seer and Nevada and then back down again. Now compare that modern NASA image

spk_0 with this. That's a depiction of the feathered serpent in central Mexico. What's it doing?

spk_0 What's dipping down and then going back up? It's coming up and then spuing out. It's going over

spk_0 the mountain range. It's dipping up, going over the next mountain range and then it's spuing out

spk_0 the rain out of its mouth. And so this is the water deity. Did they really understand this to

spk_0 that degree of accuracy 1300 years ago? Yeah, I think they must have. Or at least they may have.

spk_0 And we're only discovering this now with satellites. Because it's like it. It's like we hear stories

spk_0 about Charmin about how did you work at Iowosca with all the thousands of species that you somehow

spk_0 worked out the exact two plants in a rainforest that grants you the right chemical combination to

spk_0 access Iowosca. What are they all? And of course when Charmons are asked, how did that happen?

spk_0 Like what the plants told us? Yeah, they spoke to the spirits. The spirits directed them.

spk_0 So if they're using Charminism for this, the spirits told them exactly. And so the next question

spk_0 this led bibu to was where's the macara? Where's the water dragon? Because we know in these

spk_0 depictions, these ancient depictions, yeah, you've got the serpent. But there's the nagging coming

spk_0 out of its mouth. These multi-plumed serpent. So what does that refer to? He said scientists tell

spk_0 us that atmospheric rivers originate from gigantic masses of water vapor that form over the oceans.

spk_0 He said, I couldn't really get any more details. So he decided to look at the next best thing,

spk_0 which is how thunderstorms form overland. And so he goes into cumulo, nimbus clouds and

spk_0 arcus clouds. Although they're the big fluffy ones aren't they? Yeah, the big super fluffy ones and

spk_0 how they form. I'll put one on the screen there. Why not? And it's not the way you would think. Like

spk_0 he says that many of us might think that over the day, water evaporates and it gradually forms

spk_0 into clouds. You know, I've never really thought about it. But yeah, that makes sense. That's the way

spk_0 you think it would work. He says that's nonsense. It doesn't actually happen like that. Like any

spk_0 water that's evaporated out of the air just kind of returns to the ground by the end of the day.

spk_0 Anyway, now I think if it was always told that for whatever reason it evaporates from the ocean,

spk_0 then moves in from the ocean, which would be consistent with this. He says nearly all the water

spk_0 that evaporates from the oceans and rivers during the day condenses soon afterwards and just falls

spk_0 back into the reservoirs. What happens during a thunderstorm is something abrupt, something really

spk_0 quick and chaotic. He says all of a sudden a very powerful updraft is initiated over a large

spk_0 body of water that sucks up warm moisture laden air forms a dense towering cloud. That's the one

spk_0 I've got on the screen. The cumulo nimbus. Yeah, isn't the higher they go, the more indicates you're

spk_0 going to have a heavier storm. Yeah, and sometimes they're so strong they suck up fish. That's

spk_0 why you have the fish runs. Within a span of just five to 45 minutes, one of these clouds is

spk_0 this towering monster like several kilometers across 69,000 feet in height. Then this is what

spk_0 creates rain. It comes from this process and they have a very distinct shape.

spk_0 Now, if you look at the towering massive of cloud, you've got the striations, you've got this

spk_0 anvil shape. The top looks very similar to the striated tail of a water dragon. You can see the water

spk_0 falling in that one too. So compare the kind of top and the sides of that to something like this carving

spk_0 here. Yeah, it looks the same, doesn't it? There's like a plumage. It's almost like

spk_0 they're depicting clouds. That's what bibbos thinking anyway. What do you think? I agree.

spk_0 Like you compare this carving to these depictions. Look, it's easy enough to kind of look at things

spk_0 and go, oh, well, I can see a similarity. But with the research he's presented, it's very plausible.

spk_0 He says another intriguing phenomenon happens as one of those cumulo nimbus clouds begins to move.

spk_0 At the leading edge of one of these clouds is a gust front. It's like a wedge-shaped cloud at the

spk_0 front. I think I've got a diagram of it. See down the bottom, you've got a shelf cloud. It's like

spk_0 down in the bottom right. It says shelf cloud. That's the direction. Well, that's kind of at the front,

spk_0 but it's going in the other direction. They call that the archer's cloud, the shelf cloud.

spk_0 It's always at the front of the storm. It's like the warning of the storm. And it

spk_0 emerges from the base of the cumulo nimbus cloud and remains connected. But it acts as like

spk_0 almost like a sweeping thing at the front. It sweeps the atmosphere preparing for the storm.

spk_0 And remember, that was the description of Ketsaku Adel. He was the sweeping storm sweeper.

spk_0 And he provides bibbos has a few images, examples of these archer's clouds.

spk_0 Let's have a look here. That's so cool. What does that look like to you?

spk_0 Does that look like a serpent coming in? Or a plume of serpent across the sky? Yeah.

spk_0 She said it's an amazing photo. He says from my perspective, the shelf cloud look, yeah,

spk_0 he says the shelf or maybe it's maybe to red. It looks like an array of gigantic ominous sky

spk_0 serpents arranged in layers, one above the other, sweeping down upon the landscape.

spk_0 It sucks the warm air upwards so that the cold front or guss front can move forward.

spk_0 Exactly the description of Ketsaku Adel. He was the bringer of the rain clouds, the guide and

spk_0 road sweeper of the rain gods. And remember, you go to Thailand. Yeah. It's showing these multiple layers

spk_0 of this naga coming out of the mouth of the main storm. Now I want to find it.

spk_0 Because I want to find the temple. Yeah. It's the same thing. It was definitely in Thailand,

spk_0 though. And just how extraordinary that you have these cultures that are using,

spk_0 it's like it is an animism to describe something to us because we don't have this superstition.

spk_0 We don't even the kids will get the clouds, right? And of course they imagine what they look like.

spk_0 But these cultures around the world are depicting it in their like their hardcore beliefs.

spk_0 Well, sometimes at the front of those systems, you have an arches cloud, but it's of a different type.

spk_0 They call it a roll cloud. And this one looks even more like a serpent. Look at this one.

spk_0 Yeah. Look at that. Yeah. Looks like a giant snake across the sky. Yeah, it does.

spk_0 They're rarer, but you do you do get them as well. So he says on the whole, I believe there's

spk_0 enough evidence to infer that the symbolism of the naga emerging from the mouth of the Makara,

spk_0 represents the arches clouds emerging from the cumulonimbus cloud at its leading edge.

spk_0 It's moving the storm front forward. He said it encapsulates the ancient understanding of how

spk_0 rainfall occurs and it is in perfect sync with what we are now finding out. So this then leads to

spk_0 the bigger question. And I inferred earlier with the question of, well, how did the ancients know?

spk_0 And I think quite correctly, you point out why you're looking, he's looking for this tight.

spk_0 I found it. Just have a look at it. It's the same thing. It's a little bit different.

spk_0 But I, because what I just, I just like, oh, it's pretty. Oh, yeah, it's the same thing.

spk_0 Yeah. But isn't that just incredible? Okay. So, so the, did the ancient people see, you might

spk_0 be of the Vondanican persuasion. You might like the ancient aliens program and you might think,

spk_0 okay, so the ancient people actually did have satellites and they actually did have this super

spk_0 technology that can scan this in the way that we can today. I don't get in that part.

spk_0 Some people might think that. Yeah. Sure. And I get that. And that falls into, you know,

spk_0 a reference at Lantis before, but the idea was whether it was Atlantis or not, it was a culture

spk_0 that was highly advanced technologically. And that much, much, much older than we could ever possibly

spk_0 imagine, setting back human history far further than what, you know, modern day anthropology and

spk_0 archaeology tells us. However, I'm not so sure that that's the case. I think what a lot of this

spk_0 stuff is. It's, they're literally just talking to spirits. Exactly. And as I was reading through this,

spk_0 I was worried. I was like, Bibu, are you just giving a material explanation for the ancients? Like,

spk_0 yeah, they just understood this stuff. And they, again, they used iconography to explain

spk_0 whether. Is that really what they believed? Because it's not how they behaved. I don't think

spk_0 that's what they were saying to the weather channel. Like, no one's sacrificing because they think

spk_0 that, you know, the clouds form particular shape. They're sacrificing because they believe that the clouds,

spk_0 will they believe that an entity can control it? Entire nations, including Australia,

spk_0 are sacrificing themselves to the horror that is net zero in a belief, a belief system

spk_0 that by us going to net zero is going to stop climate change. To see what, from a bottom

spk_0 perspective, what's happening? There is a, there's a belief system and people are offering a sacrifice.

spk_0 Yeah, that's an interesting analogy, actually. Yeah. Yeah. We are. It's a cult.

spk_0 Sacrificing human beings. They are. We are sacrificing human beings for

spk_0 gaiers. It's more for gaiers. Yeah, but it's like, but look at it. It's the weather. Climate, no,

spk_0 climate. It's weather. And it changes. And there's a whole heap of other factors that come in. Oh,

spk_0 I won't go there today. But it's like, you see what happens? It's like, it's become a belief system.

spk_0 So to say that there's an ancient culture that is sacrificing, I see what you're going, right?

spk_0 Like, it's still, I think they're talking to spirits. But there is a plausibility that it's like,

spk_0 if you have enough belief, you sacrifice something to the weather, weather channel.

spk_0 Well, the reason I wanted to bring the discussion in that direction is because, you know,

spk_0 when you see something like this, yes, it shows an understanding of the way, the mechanism behind

spk_0 the way, the weather functions on our planet. And it's an incredible, it's an incredible

spk_0 understanding because it requires such a zoomed out view of the earth. It requires seeing things

spk_0 on a massive macro scale over time across vast regions. But also they understood that. They understood

spk_0 very particular structures about it. But I don't think they understood that because they were

spk_0 looking at the material processes of our world. I think they understood that because there is

spk_0 a spirit controlling it. There is a spirit of the rain and of the weather. And the ancient people

spk_0 had a particular way to converse and commune with these entities. And you can't go, oh no, no, no,

spk_0 no, they're just, you know, they're a superstitious culture. I'm okay. They very well, well, may have

spk_0 been. But if there are superstitious culture, why don't you have this culture in this part of the

spk_0 world going, oh, it's a gorilla being that pulls up clumps of dirt and throws it into the sky.

spk_0 And then, but no, and then you got this other culture guy, oh, it's a bunch of racist monkeys that

spk_0 make in this certain way. Yeah, yeah. It's like, no, no, no, no, all these distinct cultures are

spk_0 describing the same imagery down to the chimeric makeup of what it is. And then how it's so consistent

spk_0 without even though it's like an animism of an actual, you know, system that we recognize

spk_0 scientifically, but it's like, they got that. So you can't just be like, no, they're superstitious.

spk_0 They were superstitious, but superstitious enough that they appear to have been talking to

spk_0 accurate sources. I don't even think they necessarily understand the mechanisms that that we do

spk_0 today because it's more that they observe the spirit. They have a communication, a sort of

spk_0 understanding of the spirit world that we don't have, but not just that you throw on the sacrifice.

spk_0 Well, that, oh, yeah, I'll mention more on that in a moment, but there's a, there's a particular

spk_0 part of this, the bibu adds another thing to consider. He says these cumulonimbus clouds,

spk_0 they're known to generate powerful asymmetric electromagnetic fields. Sure. He says this makes it

spk_0 very likely that even the arcus clouds and the atmospheric rivers are structured by powerful

spk_0 electromagnetic fields. Well, why is this important? He says a number of consciousness studies

spk_0 indicate that electromagnetic fields are related to consciousness since both the human brain and the

spk_0 heart are powerful generators of EM fields. And he references a paper that was published by a

spk_0 Rupert Sheldrake. It's called Is the Sun Conscious. Remember this? I recall this, yeah.

spk_0 I cited the work of many authors. There was John Joe McFadden who believes that the brains

spk_0 EM field is in fact the physical substrate of consciousness and conscious volition results from

spk_0 the influence of the brains EM field on neurons that initiate motor actions. So it's almost like

spk_0 one way you could look at it is the materialist representation of the literal mind of the spirit

spk_0 is what is displayed as our weather. Yes. So the spirit wants to go this way and do this and do

spk_0 that. Well, we see it in our skies as an atmospheric river as this electromagnetic field. It's

spk_0 literally a reflection of the spirit's mind. So by commuting directly with the spirit,

spk_0 that's how the ancients understood the mechanisms. We just look at the mechanisms. We don't look at

spk_0 what's behind it. Now we have this intricate understanding of the fine details of the mechanism.

spk_0 But we're missing what's the mind that's behind the mechanism. Because we're so

spk_0 enthralled by materialism that we're actually blinded to anything that could be outside of that

spk_0 very narrow framework. It's like looking at the electromagnetic spectrum. It's like visible light

spk_0 exists in a very, very small part of that. And that's everything that we see. But the reality is

spk_0 is much, much, much wider. And there's so much more to it that we just simply can't fizzy. We can

spk_0 measure it with our instruments, right? But those instruments have been created by our thinking,

spk_0 like the way that our structure of our thinking. We can't penetrate the other world.

spk_0 Correct. Whereas these cultures, for whatever reason, the direction that they went in, maybe because

spk_0 the difference was a lack of technology, it allowed them to be able to access this spiritual realm.

spk_0 Well, it seems like it's just a different technology. Perhaps, but maybe it's the spirit

spk_0 been, maybe it's spiritual technology in itself. Maybe that is the technology. But I feel like

spk_0 I was only watching it today, actually. It's funny as you mentioned, Sheldrake. Because I'm

spk_0 going to cover Sheldrake's got a new paper out where he's talking about the end of life

spk_0 experiences and near-death experiences of animals, right? Which is like animals, but it's really,

spk_0 it's quite, you know, fast-ordering where many of the near-death and end of life experiences

spk_0 that we've spoken about on the show, like hospice workers and nurses and those sorts of things,

spk_0 like terminal lucidity and that sort of stuff, it's all happens with animals as well.

spk_0 Pet owners describing there was this one of women saying that they had this cat and the cat came in

spk_0 and there was four members of the family and the cat spent 15 minutes on each member,

spk_0 on each lap of a member of the family, then kind of looked up as if saying goodbye and just wandered

spk_0 out into the wilderness and then they found it dead. It was like this and Sheldrake looked into

spk_0 this and he's like, there are case after case after case of this strange effect, but terminal

spk_0 lucidity and dogs that have cancer and they're on their way out and then right at the final moment

spk_0 before they've been, you know, almost at the point of being unable to walk, they're bouncing

spk_0 about and they're ready to, you know, play and they lick their owners and then they tottle off and

spk_0 pass away. That's this really weird effect, which is repeated in animals as in humans. That's a

spk_0 wild. Yeah, so I mean, that's a side thing which is fascinating, you mentioned Sheldrake, but

spk_0 this idea though, like Sheldrake is a really great example of someone who is, you know, very much

spk_0 within this framework of materialism because of, you know, where he's the institution he works with,

spk_0 but is willing to go outside those boundaries to go, well, hang on, there is empirical evidence

spk_0 that there is something going on here. We don't, that evidence, which is essentially data,

spk_0 is not giving us information, but it does allow us to ponder what's going on and that's almost what's

spk_0 occurring here is like these cultures because they weren't defined by this technological belief,

spk_0 they would contact the spirits and it's almost like our culture has we've been cut off from

spk_0 spiritualism. We have a lot and we, it's there's an arrogance to it, right? We have this arrogance,

spk_0 we're not superstitious. We're not backwards. We're not backwards. We're not some backwards culture.

spk_0 Yeah, but it's like they understood this stuff and it's taken us millennia to work it's only now

spk_0 where we can look back and go, oh, well, we understood it two thousand years ago. It's an interesting

spk_0 question to ask of whether the people that built that even understand it because what you end up

spk_0 seeing is just the cultural relics that are passed down. So the good point, even a thousand years

spk_0 after this knowledge is, I guess, discovered and solidified, this just becomes tradition.

spk_0 Yes. So do the people that carve this on a temple in Thailand have any understanding of what

spk_0 this represents? Essentially not. Maybe not. Yeah. Right. And that's that's why when you have the

spk_0 modern stories like I'm not allowed to build a bridge over my local creek because the Aboriginal

spk_0 Council will find me, you know, that's that's why that stuff ends up being just divisive nonsense.

spk_0 But it's not because it's the problem is though, in my opinion, it's not about belief. It's about

spk_0 money. It's all political. Yeah. It's all about politics and money. Well, in the end,

spk_0 Bibu was in agreement. He said we could argue that the powerful reign and storm generating

spk_0 clouds like the cumulomal, cumulonimbus clouds, arcus clouds and atmospheric rivers are inhabited

spk_0 by conscious spirits who orchestrate the whole process and provide the requisite energy and

spk_0 intelligence. And he adds at the end, we're kind of at this stage with civilization where

spk_0 we have to let go of the purely materialistic worldview. We don't abandon it completely because

spk_0 of course not. You know, for example, like we're talking about in Kenya, they're doing studies on

spk_0 rain dancers. Kenyans don't have clean water. Yeah. It's like they don't have drinking water for

spk_0 most of the population. That's part of where the arrogance does come through though because

spk_0 don't get me wrong. Materialism has done wonderful things. Like only recently I've been reading

spk_0 what is it? The dirt on clean. And it's like this whole idea about how we basically were sanitation

spk_0 and how we've been created. But what it's taken us to get here, right? So we can look back and go,

spk_0 well, now we don't sacrifice a goat to get our crops to grow. Like we understand that fertilizers

spk_0 work and that kind of stuff. Yeah, it's had its benefits. But the point I'm trying to make

spk_0 is that if we go too far with it and get so caught up in that arrogance and in that belief,

spk_0 materialism in itself becomes a belief, we cut ourselves off from other possibilities.

spk_0 Yeah, I think you're right. Bibb is saying that there's an opportunity to recognize there are

spk_0 other dimensions of existence. There are intelligences that are behind how our world works.

spk_0 When it comes to climate change, for an example, like one of the arguments that's put forward by

spk_0 alternative researchers is that it's to do with the electromagnetic. It's funny that you should

spk_0 again mention is the sun conscious. It's the electromagnetic effects of the sun. And it's on certain

spk_0 cycles and those cycles are much longer than we have scientifically recognized. And that's what

spk_0 influences our weather systems and our climate patterns. And it's like, well, if we understand that

spk_0 there is some consciousness or there is some it's not doing appeasing. But if we could understand it

spk_0 from a more, I guess, perhaps a cult perspective, a spiritual perspective, could we reverse some of

spk_0 these uncomfortable climate events that are taking place or could we prevent them from happening

spk_0 in the first place? But we would never do that because that's not scientific. That's not

spk_0 within the paradigm of what our funding allows us to investigate. I think a good traditional

spk_0 understanding is that the moral nature and the virtue of a civilization is really and its people

spk_0 is really what decides how nature treats them. How nature treats human beings, how these entities

spk_0 treat human beings. It's like the traditional view is that if the population is not virtuous,

spk_0 you get flooded out. It's like the biblical stories. It'll be punished by floods and disasters.

spk_0 It's like the best way to appease the gods is to be righteous, not to be

spk_0 the opposite, not to be the opposite, not to sacrifice people, which is what we're doing.

spk_0 Not to sacrifice human beings. We're sacrificing entire nations to this cult. And that's what's

spk_0 going on. And I think these entities, if they do exist and suggest from what we've been talking

spk_0 about that they do, we're pissing them off. Well, that brings a whole other perspective when you

spk_0 look at how others have viewed this topic. This is a new book from Eric and Anstil. Do you remember

spk_0 this guy? No, I don't. But does the artwork look familiar? Remember the guy with the pyramid cone

spk_0 over his genitals? I do. I do remember this. Anxed in the shadows. We covered this week.

spk_0 That's like pyramid flesh, fleshlight. He followed up with a book called The Blood Covenant.

spk_0 So he looks at all these same connections. And it's a very large book actually. There's 440 pages.

spk_0 To what between pyramids and fleshlights? No. He goes through those same connections between

spk_0 cultures of worshipping the gods of nature. So the spirits that control the weather.

spk_0 Oh, ancient sacrifices, catamutilations and alien abductions are not separate mysteries. They are

spk_0 phases of the same contact, one in which human life is harvested as a resource and genetic,

spk_0 oh, a four genetic stock. So he looks at all those same similarities across cultures. But then

spk_0 starts to question, well, why do all these gods and these ancient deities require blood?

spk_0 Well, that comes back to the thesis I have that blood is like this life force. And it's not,

spk_0 but when you think about blood is a life force, right? But it's not just the fact that moving

spk_0 oxygen and gases around your blood and everything else. It's that there's something spiritual to blood,

spk_0 which is why like only recently I referenced, we have stories of your first chasing blood mobiles.

spk_0 You know, blood being used by like certain sacrificial rituals in where I wasn't in Costa Rica

spk_0 to summon deities and entities. It's got a forward by Linda Moltenwau. Oh, there you go.

spk_0 So could be worth looking into. I'll tell you a little bit about it after the break actually,

spk_0 because I have read a little bit of it. Yeah, okay, let's go ahead. There's a completely

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