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10 highly productive plants for fall
In this episode, the hosts discuss the concept of high-yielding plants for fall gardening, challenging the traditional definitions of productivity in the context of cool-season crops. They explore var...
10 highly productive plants for fall
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To have a good harvest, one must plant good seeds, and must also use the right
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time to fertilize it. The carrots have grown large and firm. How good they will taste.
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This is you know this is going to be a good episode ladies and gentlemen,
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gardeners and homesteaders because we literally had to stop what we were talking
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about before we started. So we did not spill the beans for each other. So you know,
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if we had a pre-conversation before it is about to get on. It was like the green room conversation.
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It's like let's just get miced up and let's just go out there. Yeah exactly. So yeah, this is this is
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going to be an interesting one. What we're doing here is we found an article and the article was
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a bit of what was the spoiler alert the original article's name. Yeah, so the original one was,
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let's see, gosh, I wish you to tell me that you were going to be out here. Yeah,
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within the first minute, ask you to look something up. Yeah, right. Luckily I have all kinds of
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search criteria. Are the 10 high yielding fall plants for your raised bed gardening. So for your
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raised garden bed is the way that it's free. So this set off like alarm bells for us because
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if you have any experience in gardening high yield and cool season crops, it doesn't really go
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well together. Right. Yeah, like it's so this word play and what we're going to tell you the actual,
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you know, the shift in the, I guess the adjective then is important. Yeah. And someone said something,
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something happened where this was modified. This so high high yielding like I'm trying to think of
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and I'm scanning through. I don't I don't know anything that I would consider high yielding for fall.
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I got one, but we'll get to it. I don't know I'm going to give it away right now, but I do want to say
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this. I want all of y'all to to mark this day and this episode because the conversation that this
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is really centered around it could be one of the most important conversations you have about
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gardening for the next few years. This is not something that's going to go away. So this is
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really important. And it's something that we need to take note of. And I find it, I can't think
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of the phrase. I thought I was going to sound really smart and use a nice phrase. Maybe Sarah
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and Dipidus, but we'll have to get to that point to see if I use the phrase right. So all right,
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let me know if I use it right. I'm not an English major. So I'm a science guy. All right. But before
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there. And without further ado, the bell has made it. All right. So I'm going to pull this
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article. So we don't have any kind of weird lawsuit issue or any kind of moral dilemmas or
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anything. We will not use the names associated with it. If you want to go try and find it,
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go ahead. But pull up this article for us. Okay. So what we're going to do here is we're going to
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yielding or how you could even consider them high yielding. So the first one are going to be
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beats. And so I have to read this, but Tavian, I'm sorry. And I want all of you. I know there's
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somebody out there. I know there's a few people that are very good with English. So just hear it out.
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Beats are the first vegetables that will go that will do just fine in the raised garden beds.
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You will have to sow the seeds of the beets either in late summer or early fall. Make sure to plant
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those crops approximately four to six prior to the frosty weather. The cool soil helps to create
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sweeter beets. If you are in the USDA zone nine or above, you can even have the winter harvest if
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you plant the beets in late fall. Those delicious vegetables can even withstand a little frost.
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Four to six what? Four to six what days, minutes, hours, weeks, years, months, I mean, you know,
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garden seasons. So high yielding. Oh, I guess we should let the cat out of the bag.
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So the original title was what Betavia said earlier, but it has now been changed to what
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productive vegetables to plant in the fall for raised beds. So, you know, it's kind of all over
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the place like apparently something happened since the time we found the article and decided to do
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an episode and then they came out and they've changed the name completely. But only in one part,
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another part still says the 10 high yielding. So productive is so much more, you know,
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personal what you consider productive. It's not as cut and dry high yielding is they're
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spilling out of the raised beds. A high yield, I think people generally think the same thing
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compared to oh, it's productive, right? So it is it's it's watered down a bit as far as the
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descriptor, but it's still something that would draw my attention. Oh, what's productive? You know,
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high yielding, I get to that click quicker than I do productive, which means that they're downplaying
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it a bit, which in my mind, it's in a part of what we'll talk about today, could these ever have
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been described as high yielding? Well, yeah, yeah. So let's you'll play a game real quick.
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I'm gonna count to three. When I get to three, both of us say the first high yielding crop that
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comes to your mind at the same time, no matter what season it is. No, okay. Three, two, one,
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green beans, tomatoes. Even still, when you hear those two plants, what do you hear? You
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what do you think of you think of pulling multiple harvest off of one plant? One single plant.
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You know, pounds and pounds and with beats, I'm not I'm seeing one seed, one beat. I'm not really
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picking up what they're putting down here. You know what I mean? So there's kind of an issue there.
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Yeah, technically a lot of beats, if not all, are it's by something or another is a term.
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By any, I'll try to pick on, no, try to pick on something and forget the word. So basically,
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you plant the one seed and it may likely produce two plants, but we know that we can't let those
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two plants grow together like that. So generally speaking, a seed, a plant equals one beat.
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Not hold on. Right. I'm going to play devil's advocate because I've heard it before.
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You can plant one beat seed and you will have multiple beats formed and you don't have to pull them.
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But you should. But you're not going to get full-size beats off that. You'll get multiple, smaller
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size beats. So generally speaking, one seed, one beats, but we're going for here.
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Okay, so beats high yielding, ye are nay.
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Nay.
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Productive?
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If you, I mean, sure, if you grow it, I mean, if you get a harvest, it's productive, right?
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Okay. So two carrots.
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Carrots need approximately 10 to 12 weeks to form and be ready for harvest.
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Therefore, make sure to plant in advance so the frost dates do not harm it. Those vegetables do not
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like hot weather and therefore will do well if you plant them in your metal, raised garden beds in
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the early fall. There's an Easter egg there just to kind of throw it out there.
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Multi-jerm is the term for the beats. Multiple germination, multiple plants.
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Yeah, I respect that. I totally respect that.
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There's someone out there yelling, it's multi-jerm.
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So we could bend this for each of these vegetables because I know what you're thinking.
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Are you talking about me?
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Some of you are thinking, no, the audience. Some of you are thinking, all right, beats, small footprint,
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carrots, small footprint. You can get a lot of carrots in a space. Maybe that's what they meant by
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high yielding, but we're not done with the list yet. So that means that there are other vegetables
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that will basically nicks that argument.
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Not only are we not done with it, but the spacing wasn't mentioned in either of the two things I
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read to you. And that's an important thing to remember, which kind of, it paints the picture,
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and it'll be interesting as we go down and we get to other ones if they in fact are going to
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mention that. But it paints the picture to me that what they're referring to is each individual seed,
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kind of like the tomato and the bean. Like one seed will give you a high yield.
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So one carrot seed will absolutely give you one carrot.
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In the story, there's no other way around. I don't care if it splits in half,
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because it hit a rock, it's still one carrot.
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This discussion carrots and beats are absolutely in the same hat in the same boat.
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Yeah. So footprint, sure, but that's not what we're talking about here. It's not what was mentioned.
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It's very important. So carrots, yay or nay.
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For high yielding, nay,
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nay, productive. I'm not even sure if I label it productive, necessarily based, excuse me,
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based on any number of issues with germination for fall.
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For fall. Remember this whole conversation is fall.
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germination. We're if we're growing, growing them for fall, we are very likely planting them while
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we're still in summer. Yep. And they don't germinate well in high heat. So intended for dry soil,
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right? Ten weeks, which often gets with high heat. How many how many days is in 10 weeks?
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70, 70 for the carrots. They said in 10 weeks, you'll have a harvest. So in 70 days, I've never had a
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carrot in anything less than 100 in some days, 105 days. Yeah. So I think I've had
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something that will anyone will clearly identify as a carrot in like 90 days for sure.
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Okay, let's go to the next one. I want to go through these fairly quickly because there's more to
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say about this afterwards, but it's kind of just pointed out. broccoli. Broccoli are pretty hardy plant
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and they can handle the little frost once they get mature.
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One broccoli takes some time before it is ready for harvest. Those vegetables will need
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approximately two to three months to develop. So if you plan to have broccoli in your garden bed,
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then plant it in the late or mid-summer. Man, that's really hard to read.
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What was it worth? I observed. Yeah. It's just the way it was rid. Okay, so broccoli, high yielding.
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There's two ways to look at it. Please do tell me. Okay, first of all, one seed, one head.
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But you can get side shoots. Okay, so let's put side shoots in the mix.
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Is that still high yielding? And we have to remember, per in fall, going to freezing temperatures.
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What's the other way to look at it? That is the other way. You said two side shoots. Two ways to look at it.
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Oh, so I think if I change the rule to say, because it looks like every two of these,
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we're going to be modifying the rule to help fill the description of high yielding.
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So I have seen broccoli plants produce basically twice the head. So you get the head,
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the primary head, and then the side shoots can equal that of the first head.
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Again, I know you're all like team no. As an aside, we also know that that ties up that space
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longer to wait for them. But if I look at that to say, all right, if we're considering high yielding,
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like this broccoli plant is going to produce more than your typical heading crop,
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you know, for poundage perspective, yeah, that's a high yield because broccoli is dense.
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I didn't use any of those rules while we were talking about beets and carrots.
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But I mean, if we look at it through that lens, yeah.
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You can't change rules just to fit what you want. They changed the name of the article.
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Look, and that's why we're going to be talking about it here in a few minutes.
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I disagree in side shoots would equal to high yield. I don't believe that's the case.
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And I have to just say I don't either. Okay.
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I'm kind of be us in a round.
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Okay, I believe side shoots can equal depending on the variety and the time you're growing in.
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And you could get what's equivalent to two heads of broccoli from one plant.
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I don't believe that qualifies it is high yielding.
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I could smell sarcasm when you were speaking, but it's one to clarify.
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So yeah, you know, it's broccoli, yay or nay.
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Nay.
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Absolutely. So typically speaking, one seed, one head.
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All right, arugula.
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Temperatures may get excessively warm when growing arugula in the spring,
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leading it to blossom and set it to seed early.
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The milder autumn temperatures and other hand help the leaves to develop and become flavorful.
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This time the herb needs for the full development and the raised garden bed is six to eight weeks after
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sewing.
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So I didn't, you know, some of these things we come in cold on.
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So I have the article I scanned it.
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I didn't realize a rugula was on here.
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And the sentence that you didn't read because it's not written in the article is if you look at this
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that, you know, as a cut and come again crop again, this is not whole a third set of criteria.
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Yeah.
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The first two were like all the amount that you can get into a space that makes it high yielding.
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Yeah, broccoli was, you know, you get potentially if you get the right variety,
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two heads, that could make it high yielding, right?
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You got to see the video to see the face that goes along with this to know that, you know.
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Check it out on YouTube.
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I really don't believe that.
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Now this third grouping of crops, a rugula, if you use like the cut and come again,
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it's a quick grower.
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So, you know, I'm at less than one month from direct sewing and I'm going to do a cut of baby leaves.
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I'm going to leave their roots in place.
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They're going to continue to produce.
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I'll probably get before it actually freezes maybe three cuts of that a rugula if I'm lucky.
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That's just based on me planting it, you know, what I did sewing the seeds when I did.
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I can look at that and say that that's how yielding, you know.
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That's probably the closest so far that we've gotten to something that
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really could be considered if you squint one eye and you kind of lean back and you
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you increase the percentage that you're viewing it from 100 to 175.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that fits it.
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Well, I mean, you know, when I read that and I scanned the article when we first talked about it,
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but we planned this like a month ago or so.
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A couple months ago.
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Yeah.
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Something like a six week, something like that.
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I definitely looked at it and you know, a rugula, I can get on board with that.
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As gross as it is, I can respect that.
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I can respect that it could potentially be a high yielding.
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I don't know a lot about it.
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So, Betavia, is it actually very frost hearty?
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I don't think it's, I think it's comparison to frost tolerant.
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I don't think that I think it's a, I think it's on par with any other leafy lettuce,
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like single leafy lettuce, like a butter crisp or something like that.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So, that being said, there's a definite limit to how much you're going to get a
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grow time from it.
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So, that's something that you need to look at.
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So, I don't think it is, but at the same time, in one sentence, you could have said,
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if you employ the cut and come again method, then you will dramatically raise how much you can harvest.
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And I think that's a really important thing to mention.
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That's something you want to forget when you're listing out vegetables.
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Yeah.
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And it's exactly as it's described, not as we normally use cut and come again.
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Yeah.
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Cut and come again, it's normally you're peeling off of the outer a bit and leaving the center to grow.
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I'm literally describing this as I'm going to come through, cut across the row.
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And then again, that root is still in place and then something new is going to pop up.
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Right.
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Yeah, I mean, I think it's, yeah, that was a miss.
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So, yeah, or nay, or regular, yeah, or nay, I'm going to say nay.
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I'm going to, I'm going to say gosh, it's so hard.
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There's so few for a fall.
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So, I'm going to say for a fall knowing what I know.
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Yay.
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Okay.
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Gosh, it's painful to say that.
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And because I don't grow a regular, I'm going to go, I'm going to default to what you say.
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So, I'm going to go, yay, as well, because I have to let the people that know better.
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Oh, look at that.
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We're going to like hand in hand, wrong into eternity.
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It's right, baby.
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All right.
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Another great vegetable that can be grown in the fall is Brussels sprouts.
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Those are, those ones are pretty hardy and can also withstand a little frost.
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Brussels sprouts that are planted in the raised beds will be ready for harvest in two to three months.
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As the plant matures, the foliage can get yellow, a yellow color.
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Very interesting.
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So, they gave us Brussels sprouts, but then they also gave you a little tidbit at the end
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about the foliage turning a yellow color as it matures.
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Very interesting that they threw that in there.
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But the definition of hardiness, they are pretty hardy.
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I feel like I need a little bit more to make me feel comfortable as a gardener.
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You know what I mean?
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Because there's a lot of people out there that are just trying this out.
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They're not really experienced and growing in the fall and the cold and stuff like that.
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And we want them to feel comfortable.
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When you're reading something like this, pretty hardy doesn't really tell us much.
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So, what do you think, Petavia, about the high yielding aspect of a Brussels sprout?
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I've never grown it in fall.
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I think that compared to some other vegetables in an Nebraska family,
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I think that it's a garden magic trick.
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I think that if it performs well, you feel like you have a lot of Brussels sprout heads.
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But pound for pound is probably the equivalent to what you would get from a single broccoli head.
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You know, pound for pound is probably less than you'd get from a cabbage plant.
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I think it makes you feel like, again, if it grows, well, it's like, look at this big stock.
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I went to the farmer's market and I'm like, good grief.
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Where did you guys get this from?
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But I wouldn't consider it high yielding.
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For sure, I believe it's one of the most hardy vegetables though.
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They got that part, right?
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So...
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But I had to go back up and figure out.
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I'm going to...
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I hope you're not going to read all 10 of these.
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Where for where?
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But it said, we'll discuss everything you need to know to make the perfect vegetable garden beds.
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Like, that's the final statement before it gets into the winds and the what's.
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Yeah.
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And that's a lot of fluff.
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Well, let me say this.
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Let me say this.
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I have tried to grow Brussels sprouts for five years and have become successful.
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So I'm going to say that I'm a self-proclaimed Brussels sprout expert at this point.
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Of everything we've come to on this list,
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if you fertilize the ever loving hell out of your Brussels sprouts,
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they would as so far what we've done is they've all said that would be the most high yielding
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on here because you can get multiple pounds from one plant.
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So it's not like a tomato where you can get multiple tomatoes that will make multiple sandwiches,
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but I can give it to you on that.
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You know what I mean?
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I think that I haven't looked it up, but like, Brussels sprouts are like a determinate crop.
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I feel like whatever however many total Brussels sprouts,
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like the maximum Brussels sprouts are already predetermined.
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You are either going to get that or less,
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you know, which I'm sure it, you know, again, growing conditions, you know,
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fertilizing all that ways into it.
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I mean, I don't want to argue.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I don't have a problem arguing, but I can see it.
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I don't want to argue about this.
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Yeah.
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I could see it being considered high yielding.
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So I'll give it a yay.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So I'm not going to read the rest of them.
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I'm going to go back and have a stay.
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So I'm not going to read all the articles,
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but we are going to mention them as we go through.
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So the next one is turnips.
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I mean, I think it's the same thing as the Beats in the carrots.
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It's the same thing as what?
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The Beats in the carrots.
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Well, except for, oh, go ahead.
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So I'm going to say this.
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Look at the article and see turn up tops.
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Yeah.
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It's just like a rugla and that you can do it the cutting
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coming in method.
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It has, you may get two cuts out of it, because at some point,
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that bottom is going to start forming.
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You're going to have less leaves on top.
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Turn up bottoms are exactly like Beats, like you're saying.
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So if we're going to make for turn up tops,
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if we're going to make it a rugla, which you defer to me on,
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as high-yoding, the turn up tops have to be high-yoding for
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for that same reason.
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If you're growing it for turnips, which I suspect the article is saying we're growing them
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for the turn up bottoms, and maybe you know, you get the bonus of the greens.
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It does not say either way.
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Even better, our worst.
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It says there are great additions to salad, but that doesn't,
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I mean, you could chop up the bottom and put it in, so.
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I don't know if I've ever had, maybe I have.
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So turnips go into Beats, go into carrots,
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and that group of not high-yoding, that's my vote.
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Yeah, no, not high-yoding.
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Okay, the next one, this is pretty easy kind of lettuce.
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What do you think?
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Yay.
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Based on the logic I used for a rugla.
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Cutting come again, yay.
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Which it does not mention in there.
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It does not mention cutting come again for it, so.
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Okay, the next one, cauliflower.
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Whatever we say for broccoli.
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Yeah.
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I don't know if I've ever heard any of you talk about
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side shoots for cauliflower.
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That's because nobody want to eat that much cauliflower.
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They're done with it.
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They eat the head and they're like, all right, that's good.
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Get it out.
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Okay, the next one is cabbage.
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What do you think, Batavia?
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Cabbage?
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I don't want to think about cabbage.
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I think, I think cabbage can grow to be huge depending on the variety.
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A lot of varieties can grow to be huge.
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But how can a singular thing be high-yielding?
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Well, that's my thing.
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It's not saying high-poundage.
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It's not saying large harvest.
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It's saying high-yielding, which means multiples coming off of it.
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Now, last I check, if you cut the head off of cabbage, you're going to get nothing else.
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I mean, you might, if you let it sit long enough and you had the perfect temperatures,
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it may regrow ahead, but I mean, come on.
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I've seen little bitty, baby hits from cabbage start to grow.
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I just think I mean out here like googling, what does productive mean?
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Yeah.
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I don't even know if I could see what the dictionary.
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I don't even know.
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I'm going against my better judgment.
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I don't even know if I could describe cabbage as productive.
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Again, it's growing a single thing.
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It's job is to grow a single thing.
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If you go back to broccoli, at least you could also eat the leaves.
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Everyone loves the mentioned.
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So there's that.
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These are all great things to grow.
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Oh, yeah, obviously.
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In fall.
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Well, the last one, the last one, peas.
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Will we start it?
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This is the only, this is the first thing I thought of.
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When I said hold on one second, we'll get to it.
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I didn't realize it was on the list.
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And it was peas.
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So peas, yes, I think they are, I don't think we really need to go into a whole lot about peas.
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I feel like it's very obvious why they would be high yielding based on the examples we've given in the past.
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The only note, when we talked about this earlier with our spring plantings,
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if you put in three or four seeds producing three or four plants, expect to talk to your neighbor
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while you're eating peas.
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Because that's basically what you're going to get as a harvest.
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So you have to, it's probably, I'd say, less productive than beans are per plant.
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But if you plant meaning beans will produce more individual beans on a single plant than I believe peas will.
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But if you plant quite a few peas, you're dealing with a high productive.
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What was the other term I used?
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High yielding.
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High yielding, yeah.
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Yeah.
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So peas, yeah, your name.
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Yeah.
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A resounding yay for me.
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That's the only true yes without having to be in enforcing.
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Right.
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Now I do want to say this real quick.
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They also mentioned for peas, and this was the last one, planting them in the metal raised
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beds in late August will provide delicious vegetables before the winter.
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So just remember that you need to plant them in the metal raised beds.
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Okay.
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So what does this mean?
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What is the point of all of this?
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Well, clearly, and the reason why I read the first half of it is so you could kind of hear
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the words in it.
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And it was there's a couple of things going on.
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One, obviously we know what they're selling.
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We don't need to say it out loud.
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I'm sure you can figure it out.
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And two, the article wasn't written to help you.
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It was written to for search engine optimization for that company.
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And those key words occurred very early on into the article that would key to help you to
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help the Google pick up on it and advertise it stuff like that.
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After reading this,
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Batavian and I both thought this was an AI written article.
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Clearly this is an AI written article.
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Very little information.
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You know, somebody.
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Well, even I didn't read all of it.
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And I assumed that because the of the kind of inconsistency about each vegetable,
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you know, so there's kind of a random bit of trivia for each of these vegetables.
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But there's no really through line for it that ties back to either the original title or the
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revised title.
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And we don't know if it's changed anywhere in between what it where we started with it compared to where it is now.
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Yeah.
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And generally because I haven't gone back to read word for word, maybe each of these vegetables,
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the words that are being said are just plainly true.
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Maybe.
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But again, it doesn't tie back to the reason why you clicked on the article.
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No.
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And to be fair, the article does have a different name now.
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So it does have a different name.
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It's not inviting high yielding plants is what we're looking for.
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But even still,
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the conversation is really important.
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This is where the Taving Eye we're talking before and we're like, we got to stop.
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We just we got to move on.
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And remember when I tried to be fancy and use that term earlier.
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So we have sat on this show for a long time.
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And we have said, these are the books that we recommend.
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Go to your library.
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Do this.
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Do that.
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You know, try and stay off of the internet for some things.
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And it's been very important that we understand that.
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Because and I never anticipated this occurring in my lifetime.
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But what we're looking at now and there's some statistic that's out there that's over 50%
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of the articles written on the internet are written by artificial intelligence.
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That's very scary because that means when you go to Google something,
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you have a minimum of 50, 50 chance that you were going to get something
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that could very well be inaccurate and not written to help you but to help a company sell something.
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And the serendipitous part is here we are looking and you said it earlier,
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what did you say about when you look for articles on the internet?
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Talk about that for a second.
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Because I do the same thing.
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So real quick, my neighbor,
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a couple of it, I mean, I got a bunch of neighbors.
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So I'm not always talking about the same neighbor but my neighbor.
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I was out in the backyard,
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peeling off the skin of some onions, which kind of doesn't matter.
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But you know, we spoke at morning and yes, what I was doing.
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And you know, I shared it because it kind of did look odd.
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I can imagine.
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And then he's like, you know, what'd you learn all of this?
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Now he's been my neighbor since I've lived here.
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So he's seen kind of the progression of the garden.
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Some years, you know, he's interested in more so than others.
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And so I'm like, you know, my grandparents helped me
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playing out my very first garden.
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That was an O8, right?
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I'm like, you know, believe it or not,
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I learned a lot from the internet, a lot from YouTube, right?
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A lot from the books that I read.
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That's exactly what I told him three days ago when I was talking.
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And so when Ben and I were kind of leading into this episode,
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I was like, I went search on a thing and see a blog post
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or an article from 2015.
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If I was searching, you know, in 2020, I'd see from 2015,
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I'd continue to search because my hope would be maybe there's a refreshed version.
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Maybe there's something more current.
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Not to say that what was published in 2015 was wrong.
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But again, some other things are views evolve, you know,
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especially when it comes to a lot of opinion pieces.
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And so I was telling young Ben that now I'm more inclined to trust
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what was in 2015 because I don't know if I look at, you know, the 2025 version of it.
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How much of this is influenced by someone with experience?
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How much is influenced by facts versus how much has been influenced by a scan of the internet
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at lightning speed that has put together all of this information with the small print that says,
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AI is not always 100% accurate.
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You know, police confirm, right?
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And also you have to wonder, especially at the fast clip that we're moving at now in these
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last few years, when to get information out, you know, breaking news, you know,
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article after article, you know, video after video, like all of that.
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How much are these folks that are publishing these things really verifying?
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Even the information that they've gotten because I don't think AI is the death of us,
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but I think that it can be dangerous, although it can be a help, it can definitely be dangerous.
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If left in the wrong hands.
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Well, you know, and I don't want this to be a conversation of like, is AI going to kill us or not?
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Since we're putting our beliefs out there, I think it's going to be the downfall.
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I saw a very interesting video recently. I'll send it to you.
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And if I find it, maybe I'll post it on somewhere, maybe on the sandy bottom,
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homestead, I can get away with it. But it was a very like infographic
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front video about the evolution of AI and what to expect. And essentially what it said,
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when it was like, it's going to kill everybody. They're like, it's like when we build a house.
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We're not going to, we kill ants, but we don't kill ants because we hate them. We kill them
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because they're in our way. And that, and my son was watching it and he was like, oh my god.
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And you know, it's funny because when when when GTPT first came out, I tried to use it
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for ideas for the show. And it was always the worst topics you ever could imagine.
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The nila boring. We even did a couple of them. It was like, you know, it was just, it was hard
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to get through. And this is the type of stuff we have. But I'm the same way where I look at something.
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And I'm like, oh, yeah, that was written. That was a, you know, it was a forum from 2010,
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because you know, those were like the deal. And I'm like, no, I want to find something new.
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Like you said, knowledge changes. But now it's like, okay, well, we have to find this time period
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from like 2023 forward where it's like, no, we need to avoid if we want to get real stuff.
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Well, let's take it a step further. And it's just not AI, right? So I used 20 in our conversation
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before the show. I used 2015 versus 2025, plainly, but as we were on the show, I mentioned 2020.
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There was also a bit of 2020, 2021 that I took with a grain of salt because of the whole pandemic
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garden. Yeah. I know there's some people that take offense to, oh, they started gardening in 2020.
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You know, there's some negative connotation towards pandemic gardeners. Absolutely not.
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If it takes a pandemic, they get you in the garden and dang it. Good.
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Okay, no, don't bring another pandemic on. But it's the same idea of this matte dash to get content
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out. There is a boom when it comes to this genre, if you will. And so people were pumping stuff out.
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And I think that generally speaking, things have maybe leveled out, but it doesn't mean that overall
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companies aren't still trying to get their product out and using buzzwords. And now they're not
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even buzzwords that are absolutely original. Like they're not even doing the legwork of like
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searching other places and it's still in content from other, you know, notable sources. Now
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there I like, go ahead. I want to talk about raised bands and fall. And the thing is, is it's
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nothing more than an advertisement. And when you look at it, it's so gross. It's so gross because
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you know, there used to be a time when a company would really try to give you knowledge, right?
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Pick any company, you know, this is how you use our shovel. And you know, this is the best
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way to do this and that. And it would always be something about like using your shovel to dig a
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hole for something or at least bad example. But you know, it was like companies, they knew,
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they understood that like, hey, if we teach these people how to use our products, they're going to
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buy our products. And when you look at this, like these are overpriced garden beds in my opinion.
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And that's only my opinion. It is not the opinion of the backyard garden's podcast or anybody
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else affiliated with it. That is my opinion. But when you read that, it's like, man, this is obviously
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not in the best interest of the customer. And it's always trying to make money. When in fact,
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if you are sincere and you try to help people, you will in fact make your money back. But
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having a company use artificial intelligence and the article cited by a name, but that doesn't
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you have to be a real person. I don't think anybody that's real would write something like that
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and be like, this is going to be helpful. Let's put this on as the face of our company and go.
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And it just shows what you're dealing with. You know, well, I disagree. So just for housekeeping,
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some of y'all, if you've seen Bebet a Garden, you know that I have two different types of
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metal beds, not the one offered by the company that produced this article. And I think, you know,
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one of them was pretty expensive. And I was given the bet, you know, as a offering, right? And I
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really struggle. I love it. But I really struggle with could I have more than one of these
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beds? That's a different conversation. I would describe them as expensive. I'm not quite sure if
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we're at the stage where I would say overpriced. There is definitely overpriced compared to some
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so there is that. A three by two bet is $230. Is that overpriced for you?
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For metal beds, how much is it? Let me double check $230 for three and a half by two.
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Three and a half by two. I can't believe that. Yeah, that's overpriced. The
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the beds that I have, that's not the price point, but there's still hundreds of dollars. So
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let's just be realistic here, but I'm getting more space out of it. I think we're past the point
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where every company that's in this field is going to have people that are experienced,
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that are connected to the garden and farming world. I think that's a fallacy. And I don't know,
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I think it's been a fallacy for a long time. There are companies that, you know, especially
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interacting with, that's writing things, that's developing things, like they're connected to what we
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do. Right? And so there's a level of genuineness about what they actually put out. But that's just
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like any other kind of product and company. You know, think about the advertisements you see for,
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you know, your favorite soda. Yeah. Do you think that that athlete's really drinking that soda?
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So I mean, there's always some question mark around something that's advertised. I mean,
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I think young Ben, if I could speak for you for a second, what I got from you, and I think a
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part of your point is this article is positioned as if it's going to help you as a gardener. Hey,
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we're going to find out. Help you find out what's productive. We're going to give you information
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that, you know, we believe is important for your success in your garden. But I don't feel like
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they did a good job at that. No. And very likely because the idea is, let me draw you in. So you
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can pay 200 bucks for the three by two, you know, if you work for me and you built a website and
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you put that article up there. And you have to remember, this is backyard gardens podcasts,
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you know, what's sandy bottom homestead, be better garden. You know, I am not overbe better garden
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at all. That is totally batavious. But as far as like backyard gardens podcasts and sandy bottom
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homestead, you know, just don't know. Yeah. Those are our individual endeavors. But you know,
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if somebody wrote something like that for me, I'd fire their ass because I'd be like, you have no
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idea what you're doing here. You know what I mean? Like you haven't helped anybody at all. And I
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get the whole gist of like, hey, leave a little bit on the table so people can come back and get more.
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You know, but at the same time, to be very fair. So I put you on a pit, performers improvement plan,
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to start with, to be fair, we go through when we're developing episodes and kind of the approach
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we're going to take to a subject, we go through the iterations as we're prepping for this. And
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sometimes just before a show to say, like the underlying theme is that we need to be genuine.
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We know that attractive titles are what makes a lot of people select an article, select a video,
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select a podcast episode. But the only time we ever go off script is when one of us can't help
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herself. Yeah. And let's start talking about something else. It's not like it's never that click
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baby, you know, get you here and change the game. You know, and my mom likes to, you know,
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false advertisement for everything. It's never that like we want to make sure we're not misleading
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you because we believe it's important that the information that we share when it's something very
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directly pointed to a gardener or even when it's just our experience and opinion. It's very
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clear that articles like this don't then goes back to my point of like who's working at these
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companies. The principles the companies have, right? Like I would be in it and I hope you don't find
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the article to the audience because I don't want to pick on the person that can create a pretty
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crappy or what they did, right? Dude, I was funny. Now don't you, but you don't believe it. Somebody
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read this and they felt like it helped them. That's the scary part. Yeah. Well, that is the
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scare. And it's very sad because what they need is they need to listen to the backyard garden's
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podcast where two human beings are obviously sitting there talking to you about it. And the
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reason, you know, but David kind of went into behind the scenes a little bit. But when we sit
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down the plan out our episodes, the conversation always starts with, okay, it's November. We're
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planning for November. What are we going to be doing in our gardens in November? And how does that
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look across the country? Every single conversation starts with that. And it's always different for us.
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But that's where we start. And then we go from there. And I mean, you could argue that like
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in a business sense, we what we should be doing is saying, okay, what's going to get into click?
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Okay, let's talk about that now. And that doesn't help people. You know what I mean? Because we all
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have short attention spans because we got things hitting us constantly. And it's like, if I tell you
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something for next summer, you're not going to remember it. You're not going to have, you know,
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if I tell you about a seed to start or when to start, like, it's not going to help you. You're
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not going to remember that stuff. You're going to forget. You got Christmas coming up. You got all your
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family and everything. That's, that's important. You know what I mean? So it's very important. But
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you know, in our mental spaces, we take it down. So it's very scary to me that we're at a point where
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a tool that a couple generations at this point have relied on, you know, our generation is the
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last generation that remembers using an encyclopedia on the regular. And they remember their
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teachers saying, write a report and you can't use encyclopedia and being like, Oh, shit, what do I do
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now? You know what I mean? Like, what do we do? And you take this thing that we have depended on.
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And now all of a sudden, it's like, then formations, not even real. Like it's not, it's not accurate.
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It's not full. It's, I gave you the look for those watching. Hey, I gave you the look when you say,
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you know, two humans. And we're probably closer than you think away from a video like this being
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AI. Not our channel, not as a part of our podcast, but you start to see it on YouTube where it's like
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quite a minute, like it looks like a regular person working in their garden. You know, and a lot
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of times this position is it's not in the US, you know, for reference. And I'm like, something tells me
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this isn't real. Now take it a step further just because you don't see a person's face on a video.
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It doesn't mean that they don't exist. But pay attention to things that are again, that automated
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voice that show you a lot of pictures and images of, you know, the top things to do and all of that.
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All bullshit. What do you say? All of it. All every video like that. That's, and backyard garden is
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after dark. I do say it's all bullshit. Yeah. And the, you know, I get a little fired up on the AI
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stuff because it's very sad to me. And I mean, you know, the internet was very instrumental in getting me
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in my gardening to where I am today. But a couple of years ago, the internet 2.0 was released.
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And it changed everything. You know, we no longer got blogs. We got advertisements. We no longer
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got articles. We got products. You know, it's all it is now. And it's been the slow death of it.
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And it's, it's very disheartening, which is, I mean, it's great for the author. Maybe we need to
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start writing books. I don't know. I don't know how to write a book, but you know, I'll start writing
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some words down. I think it's, it's one of those things where it's just so coincidental that we're
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literally are sitting here and we're bringing you content that's like basically proving you have
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to go to the library to go get a book. So you know that you're getting something factual.
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You know, it's, it's crazy to think that, you know. Well, I'm going to take it one step further
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further and say, so young being mentioned, be better garden. It's my YouTube channel,
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Instagram, Facebook. It's, you know, kind of all of my content falls under there.
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There's Sandy Bottom Home, Stay at which is Ben's home. And then together, we are back here,
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our garden's podcast. And we're all in those same places. When I think about kind of our individual
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approach to creating content and then our collective approach to creating content from the show,
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it has remained on course in what my expectation is. So when you watch a video, when you listen to
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an episode, right, this is information that we believe in, the questions that we genuinely want to
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ask, right? It's true to who we are. We're already here. Fortunately, I don't follow a lot of people
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like this, but the amount of content you're going to see from people that are spewing again, AI-driven
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air quote facts, right? You know, it's going to start to increase across these garden streets.
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It went out. It's just going to. So I say that to say, trusted sources goes beyond the encyclopedia,
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it goes beyond the book. It goes like it's going to be in everything now. So people with a lot of
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personality, right, that kind of pop up. And it doesn't mean that there can never be any new garden
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creators for content. They're absolutely going to be some new and great ones. I'm sure. Absolutely.
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But it's going to be easier and easier to get into this space and appear as if like this article
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that, you know, you know what you're talking about. And especially when it comes to some of these,
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like the way that we create content, it's a one way door, really. Right? So I can say in most cases,
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whatever I want. And if my comments are on, you can comment, if they're not, you can't. If you
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comment, I could decide if I want to leave it. I can decide if I want to reply. Like what I,
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my word is what I say. Like that's it. That's out there. So it's, it's a cautionary tale for the
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gardener, new and experienced. Trust but if you're fine. Yeah. I have an ideal. I don't know if it's
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trust anymore. I don't know if that could be. I don't even know if that's the default. Actually,
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it's not the default anymore. I'm going to attempt to take on a couple of projects. We're going to
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talk about after this briefly. You know, because the whole conversation about this is really,
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really important. And I mean, take everything else out and just focus on gardening. I mean,
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for the young kids out there right now, like if it doesn't change, there's a potential that there
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could be some really bad information being consumed by parents and then passed down to their children.
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Like how bad does that suck to be like, yeah, my dad taught me everything and it was all wrong.
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You know, I every bit of it was wrong because I mean, you will obviously figure stuff out in time,
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but to get going and get started. So you know, it's when you read these things,
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we just, we wanted to do this one because the article was just kind of the title of it was like,
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what are you talking about? You know, as soon as we saw high yielding and fall, we knew that that
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wasn't really something that we wanted to, that was going to be accurate. And it turns out it wasn't, you
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know. So we will bring you more of these in the future as we find them because I think it's important
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to point out like, yeah, this was good. This is not good. This information is good, good, bad,
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nugly because if you don't know and you read it, it's ingrained in us at this point that if an article
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is written, it's true. I don't think it's ingrained on us that if you see it on the internet, it's true.
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So I was very careful with how I picked my words, you know, but if we do that, then it's true.
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And that's not the case anymore. And it's really sad. So let's do this. Let me tell you,
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we are going to give you true human being interaction and content that we feel is the best for you.
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We don't use AI. Well, I don't know. Maybe we do because we use this article. So this article was AI,
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but I do use it for help with titling some things like because you know, I'll write a two-peragast
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for a title for a video that I did. Oh, bro. So bad. Titling is the worst thing ever.
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I did have this thought earlier and I pulled back, but I think it's okay to mention it this late in the show.
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So let me jump in and say, because I'm on my end getting a computer voice from you and I'm assuming
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that it probably isn't going to translate. If there's a computer voice, the machine is taking over
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a young man. That's a job here. But you know, the, I keep on saying that the fine print for
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these AI applications is all about like, it may not be accurate. Don't sue us. We already told you,
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it may not be accurate. You need to double check your. We are not always right. You know, and if
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there's something that's notable enough that we got completely wrong, you will see us in a future
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episode. I'll let you that. My old geez, no. When we talked about garden zones here, here's a
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gun. I had to come in and eat my hat. How does it taste? What I originally stated what garden zone I was
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in and was flat out wrong at the time. I think maybe with the whole, you know, 20, 24 version. I think
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maybe if they listen to the episode now, maybe I was, I was wrong then, but maybe now I'm right based
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that the end. But anyway, so like we are not without error. Yeah. Right. But we take great pride in
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sharing information that we believe to be accurate, sharing our experience, which it's always
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going to be accurate to us because that's the what we experienced. Well, that's, that's, you know,
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that's how I learn is by experience. And you know, I mean, truth be told, as soon as I started
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gardening, like really gardening, I was like, I want to do a podcast about gardening. This was
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20 years ago. You know, I had no clue. And I had no business doing it. So I didn't do it. But over
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those years of consistently gardening over and over, I've built up that experience and knowledge
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that I can, I felt to the point where like, yeah, I could pass it on and encourage other people.
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And I think it's really important, you know, I think, you know, the human experience is very
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important because that's how we learn whether you like it or not. I don't care who you are.
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If you touch a hot stove, you're only going to touch it once. I don't care who you are. You'll
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never do it again. Not on purpose. So, you know, it's just one of those things. The thought that I had,
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though, that I feel like it's safe to say at the end of the show is, and this is crazy. So just
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whatever. If AI would be considered the anti-Christ, because it is revealed, it is like everybody loves,
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not everybody, but everybody who is somebody loves it, which is every company, every employer,
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all of them, they all love it. Every government, everything is all using AI. And they love it,
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and they think it's here to save us. I don't, I mean, like if you want to get technical and
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biblical terms, I don't think it is the AI because it clearly says like, everybody will love him.
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And I don't love him. There's many, many, many people that don't, and plus it's not a real human.
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But it's just interesting thought that I had popped into my head in this conversation.
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I mean, so there is an argument, and I don't want to kind of crawl back at the funnel here.
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No.
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You know, kind of the way that AI is being used now with these applications, because AI has been around
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for way before, you know, this year, last year, year before that. There's always this level of
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like computer processing of information. Information is being processed at a faster rate than most human
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brains can process it. Right? Like that's the whole thing when it comes to, you know, the computation
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of things for computers, you know, and then you go to the, obviously there were computers before
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there was the internet. And then you go to like kind of what AI is doing now, which is like a,
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obviously, leveled up version of everything we've experienced prior. And so I use SpodOn when it
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comes to companies leaning into it. Nobody wants to be kind of blockbuster or Blackberry,
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who was like, now we're staying in the course. And now it's kind of like, you know, it's not even a
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paperweight. You know, I bet it's, I bet there are a bunch of them in like, if you go through storage
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wars or something like it and people's like, that's probably the only place you're fighting them now.
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So it's not this AI. I don't believe is the boogie man. I could be wrong. Remember I said that
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sometimes we're wrong. I could be wrong. It could be the boogie man. We could look back in 10 or 15
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years and say, damn, things really took a turn with this. But what I can say is, unlike no other,
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the internet is flooded with information about gardening. And you really have to use your
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discernment. Right. You know, you could be losing time, crops, money, based on faulty information.
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Or you could start growing high-yoding crops. And well, you know, the thing is, I think what
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the true fear of it, I mean, if you want to grow food, you're going to figure it out.
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It's slowing down the progression for the gardener. You know, that's the problem. Is it slowing it down?
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I'm not saying that we're here to give you lightning fast production, but, or progression.
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But we are here to kind of help speed it up to some extent. And that's what we do it for.
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Before we close out, I do want to say this, that video that I referred to about the AI said that
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when it becomes sentient, which I believe they say it has, each individual AI will create another
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AI every day. So that means one AI makes two. And then it makes four the next day, right? So in 30 days,
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it would have 5368,709 different AI's made in 30 days once it goes sentient. What does that mean?
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I have no clue, but I know that's scary when you think about it. I think it means that I've been
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preparing all this time for a different kind of apocalypse. Well, you remember when we did the
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episode about growing food for SHTF? There it is, baby. All right, look, this video and this video
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Come by some seeds from us. Links are below for everything. See our Amazon list, all of that. And most
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importantly, remember that it's human beings, which by the way, we are, we will always learn to grow and
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