The Jason Day Episode! | No Putts Given 241

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spk_0 So for the most part, like based off what they're saying, you know, through the VS Black compared to the Tour BX, Stroke's

spk_0 guaranteed green for the year before the playoffs. I was 71st at 0.224 driving distance was 299.5, 117th. That's awful. Accuracy 59.59

spk_0 0.86% 80 second. Awful. Terrible. I changed to the golf ball. Stroke gained 2.563, which was 10th in the playoffs. Like in the, now granted, it is a small testing pool because I only played two tournaments. But during those two tournaments, I was 10th in Stroke's

spk_0 20th green. And then driving distance was at 308.7. So I went to 30th instead of 117th. So I gained 9.2 yards. You can say 10 yards. So and then an accuracy was at 68.16. So as the 11th in accuracy as well.

spk_0 What is up everybody? How are you living? No punts given Tony and Chris were back, but much to our happiness and exuberance. We have Jason. They were the Jason. What's going on? Hey, you guys. How is everything good? I think we're good. How is this the off season for you? Yeah. Yeah. No, it is the off season. I am. Yeah, I'm just being kind of relaxed.

spk_0 I'm relaxing a little bit. Watch the ride a couple last last week. That was outstanding. Was it? Oh, yeah. I love I love the ride. It was out. What?

spk_0 What's your favorite part? Like when you watch, I mean, frankly, the US team could have used you. I think in a couple.

spk_0 We could have benefited from some experience there, but yeah, as a world class. When you're watching that, because you played in these events, obviously, I'm not as inspired. But what do you?

spk_0 It's different. The president's cup to the right. It's the whole feel is different. I think I love that the European side play for no money. It just adds more to the team. They just look.

spk_0 I'm not saying that the Americans don't look like a like a close knit group. The Europeans look like they're inseparable. They look like a family. Like I best relate it to New Zealand rugby.

spk_0 When you look at New Zealand rugby and what it means to an individual will be on that team. It just means so much so much more. It's big. It's huge for them.

spk_0 And you can tell that they actually care. And that's what I see in the European side is that they honestly care individually for each and every person that's on that team.

spk_0 And that's not only just for the players. It's also for the caddies, the wives, everything. You can tell that they're very, very close. And it just shows on TV how much they actually care.

spk_0 With that being said, it just seemed like the Americans at any time like grand are played in plenty of presence cups. So what the Americans were doing where they were hitting a lot of equality golf shots.

spk_0 They weren't quite putting as well as the Europeans. But when they had an opportunity to birdie and they took it and made birdie, the Europeans would just dunk it straight back on them. They gave them nothing.

spk_0 Absolutely nothing. Any sort of momentum that they potentially could have had from holding a long bomb or a birdie part. Like the Europeans answered it and not only did they shut the momentum down pretty quick that it kind of tamed the crowds down to a certain point.

spk_0 And granted I understand the right cup is big. And there's going to be some tempers flared out there on the golf course between fans and players depending on where you're at, whether you're playing home or away.

spk_0 And I like it. And golf is so such a professional sport that to the point where we don't want to cross the line and some of the heckling is can be a little bit much.

spk_0 And that being said, both from the fans and from players, like there shouldn't be like kind of the cussing at each other and I understand that like it's different and people that go there, especially that New York crowd can be can be tougher times.

spk_0 But you know, that's just kind of the whole whole thing. You're playing away Europe is it's a right of cups huge thing. And Europe playing in New York. I mean, that's massive. So I mean, it was it was exciting to see how it all kind of happened yesterday because there was.

spk_0 I mean, it could have been like it was closed, but it wasn't if they would have played a little bit better on the teams. The US mod of, you know, obviously probably should have won it because of how well they played yesterday.

spk_0 Yeah, it's interesting. You bring up the money part. It's I think like you can't necessarily in my opinion point to like one specific reason that the European team has that kind of aura and kind of vibe about them.

spk_0 Where it matters because I wouldn't say it doesn't matter to the Americans. I think they all want to win. I think it matters a lot. But there's enough little things that go in there where it's like I don't know that on the American side, you can ever replicate or put together a committee or a task force to address and come up with. Hey, how do we just culturally ingrain this more in our players that this is a really important thing.

spk_0 And you should want to do it for your country, which they say they do. And I believe that they do. I believe they want to represent the states, etc. And all those things. But no European player in my mind would ever ask to be paid.

spk_0 No, I mean, it's just an interesting dividing point. Yeah, I don't know if if anyone's ever asked to be paid more or less or whatever on the European side, I'm sure at some point they say, hey, we should be paid for our time.

spk_0 But I've heard multiple players on the US side talk about how they should get paid more or it's okay to be paid. Now when you when you start talking about that, it just sends the wrong message to the rest of the guys, you know what I mean? And

spk_0 like when when you're playing for something that's bigger than money and granted the majority pretty much everyone on both teams, they don't have to worry about money.

spk_0 So when you're playing for something bigger than actually going there and playing for, you know, the person standing next to you. And there's that kind of mentality. Of course you want to run through a brick wall for that guy, you know what I mean? Whereas in when there's people talking about like, I wish you get paid more or you know, blah blah, like and I look, I haven't read too much into it.

spk_0 But I've heard comments here and there about some certain players talking about how much they they they should make.

spk_0 And look, you are putting in a lot of time, you are putting a lot of effort and it is, you know, the you know, the PGA, you know, the right cup itself makes a lot of money. But what makes the Euro so good, I think, is that because they don't play for money, that they're there and they truly believe in their heart.

spk_0 That they like want it, you know, more because of that not that's just one part of it, the money side of things, but not only all the other things like the people that were, you know, they're before and I'm saying that the US don't feel that I'm like, I definitely am not saying that at all because I honestly feel like that the US is, you know, a great team.

spk_0 I think they're, I think they're going to have a have a great team going forward. But yeah, I mean, it was exciting to watch regardless.

spk_0 Jason, would you would you be in favor of opening up the writer cup and making it more of a even more of an international event. Obviously, you know, golf has become much more of a global game as an Australian, you're not eligible, Asians not eligible. So would you would you like to see it expanded? I think.

spk_0 I've probably got a little bit of slackness, but I'd rather see the PJ tour versus live.

spk_0 Oh, because I think we all, I think that'd be great. I honestly think PJ tour versus live. So the best PJ tour players versus living. If I, if you ever had the opportunity to get on to that team, that would be that'd be outstanding because then now you're really playing into that. So.

spk_0 Yeah. And well, we're going to get to golf balls here in a minute and things because there's a question that people want. But there's just so many so many interesting topics. And before we get to golf ball, I have to, I have to ask you this like 2015, your number one player in the world.

spk_0 We look at kind of your early history, etc.

spk_0 Yeah, you never struck me necessarily as a wild dresser or willing to push the envelopes of fashion, maybe like a, like an Ian Polter or somebody.

spk_0 So what the hell happened at Augusta? What did they actually say to you? How would that all go down? And I want to know about this Malbond thing. Like, is that part of your personality?

spk_0 That's just always been there. But people didn't really know because that wasn't worth kind of taking a risk. Maybe at that point in your career, whereas now you're obviously well established and can kind of do take more risk that way.

spk_0 So there's a couple of couple of things to play here. So in regards to the fashion and all that stuff, I've always been into fashion. There's some really bad photos of me back in the day with what, what I was wearing.

spk_0 So like, I mean, I've always been into into fashion a lot. Just because you're an idea to Southleek when I first came out, a Nike athlete, then you don't really get to show it too much.

spk_0 Obviously, you just like and granted it's that way for a reason because the way they dress their plays looks phenomenal. I think it's just like, it's very like the way that Nike does their stuff. Like, it's just a swish.

spk_0 It looks very, very professional. It looks very strong. And then when it came to to mull bin, I was, you know, like you said, I was established on the tour. I've been out there for a long time, I'm heading into my 19 season on the PGA tour.

spk_0 And I just wanted, I was actually going to do my own thing. And I was just going to wear like kind of whatever I want to know. It's just going to sell the space, you know what I mean? That you that you can potentially sell like obviously left chest is huge.

spk_0 You know, you know, the back over here and you can start to sell other stuff. But like, you know, if you have space, you can sell that and kind of recoup some of the money.

spk_0 But, you know, with that being said, I was just going to go very classic, you know, style of golf, like very tailored custom clothes and then how it happened with my agent came to me and said, hey, there's a young company called mull bin that would like to make some stuff for you.

spk_0 And then, you know, kind of blossom from there and then all of a sudden, I'm like, hey, do you think we can do this type of fabric? Do you think we can do this? And then Steve in mull bin himself is like a genius marketer.

spk_0 He just kind of is his, he's obviously started out, you know, kind of I shouldn't say he started out, but he was a caddy at a golf course in Atlanta and then you know, started up a magazine in New York.

spk_0 And then all of a sudden found his way into LA and started a whole clothing clothing line and then from there for me to be able to kind of help in a way that like what I want to see, you know, on the golf course way I want to feel and I also wanted to not look like everyone else because if you're an adidas athlete or a Nike athlete, typically you're, there's at some point you're going to wear the same thing as someone else.

spk_0 So just it's inevitable. So I kind of want to have my own thumb print my own identity out there. And then when you also have, you know, equiting in the in the partnership as well.

spk_0 It also motivates you to kind of want to get get it out there even more where you're wearing some kind of stuff that goes to the edge or to the line.

spk_0 And some people hate it and some people love it. And then you bring it back and then you'll wear golfy stuff again. And then you keep going back and forth and you're just testing that line.

spk_0 So you're going there and you're testing the line and then you come back and they're like, so people are trying to guess like what in the world is this guy doing like he's there's no, you know, there's no consistency and what he's doing and that's kind of where we're at.

spk_0 And then regards to the Augusta vest. I wore it and I was like, because we had a delay. I came back the next day because I wore something kind of I wore these big baggy pants. And then the next day I came back and tiger and Max, like looking at me like, like that boring, you know what I mean. And then I'm like, oh, just wait till I pull this jacket off because it was cold.

spk_0 And then as soon as it was like it was like, like when you're on a talk show or something like that when the lights come on, they're like three to one bang. It was like, we're about to tee off. We're on 14 three to one vest off.

spk_0 And then it's like cameras right there because it's like worked up because tigers right there, Max is there. He's playing great golf. Like so it's just like a whole thing. And then all of a sudden it blew into.

spk_0 And then I get off the golf course. My agent goes, hey, like you, I guess to his ass you to take that vest off. I said no problem. Like this is not my tournament. I like, you know, just like I'm not trying to like get on anyone's nerves or make anyone angry or annoyed. But you know, I just kind of took it off and you know, that was the end of it. And it's just kind of blossom into what it was.

spk_0 I mean, if that were someone pitch that idea as a marketing concept and say, Hey, here's how we want this to go.

spk_0 It couldn't have gone really any better. You know, because it pushed the line to a degree, obviously stepped over some line that somebody didn't appreciate, find whatever. Like you said, perfect response.

spk_0 Hey, not my tournament. I'm here and there behalf. It's their tournament. Their rules. Happy to abide by those. But that arguably got it even more press than, you know, because now there was some controversy around it, which like you said, when you push boundaries, part of you wants that sort of response where some are going to like it and some are going to ask you to not wear it at their tournament.

spk_0 That got that got four point. I think it got 4.7 billion impressions on on like social media and then like the American American shorts that I wore at the US Open this year. I think it I think that got 4.3 billion impressions.

spk_0 So it was just like a lot of people saw it, which was fantastic. And then ultimately to the point where the right of cup US right of cup team was sent a bunch of the American shorts for the as a gift, ultimately in the end, because Keegan saw him.

spk_0 He's like, we've got to get those for the guys. So that was fantastic, which is nice.

spk_0 Well, it's awesome. Well, let's talk some golf ball substance. You know, that's we're done with the serious stuff now and get into some fun things.

spk_0 What do you think Tony? You asked this one. Yeah, I think starting point right you are a bridge stone staffer now in the golf ball category. How did how did that happen? How did you find your way to bridge stone?

spk_0 So there are a number of like little stories, you know, that I was, you know, as I was playing the tour, I remember tied applying the bridge stone ball for a little bit. I'm like, and we were playing Bay Hill and there'd be at the time I was playing a different like my like my old contract ball.

spk_0 And we were in the same position as some holes and he'd be hitting these shots. And I'm like, it was just so simple for him. He didn't have to overplay the shot. There's nothing worse when you have a shot that your next to another player.

spk_0 And you're having to manufacture something that is very uncomfortable in regards to your technique to be able to create a shot to make it work out, you know.

spk_0 And Ty was sitting there with a bridge stone ball and he's chipping and I'm like, man, that just look like a normal chipping technique where I'm just hitting this like kind of open and face wide open like flop shot. And he's just like hitting this like nice little chip shot that is just so simple easy technique.

spk_0 When you start to add like biggest wider swing longer swings with an open face than that gets tougher. And then I'll sit there thinking I'm like, okay, he plays a bridge stone ball. It's like kind of cheating around the golf, you know, around the golf brains.

spk_0 All the greens when you're short side at least. And then Bryson at the time was a staffer and you know how he likes to take like he's like sitting there spritzing the golf ball at two a chance.

spk_0 But like, but you got to understand that like even though some of that potentially could be foreshows, he's not silly. He actually does a lot of the testing to be able to understand why it is happening.

spk_0 And then can they develop a golf ball that is actually helpful. So you have the best play, arguably the best play in the world playing and the guy that like is going to do the most testing out of everyone on tour playing that that was like the two like positives that are sore.

spk_0 When I started like hitting the ball and like, wow, this is pretty impressive. I had a lot more spin around the grain. So anytime I'm short side, it was a lot easier to get up and down.

spk_0 You can be a little bit more aggressive at your targets and also like, cyberies is the stability and the cyberies is like I was just so used to hitting a shot going up, starting to lose a little bit of air underneath it and it would just kind of drift, you know what I mean on the wind and a drift a lot in my old golf ball.

spk_0 And then this one I hit it and I've been waiting for it to drift and it just would not drift into say so straight. And then yeah, that's kind of like how.

spk_0 And also I played it for a year. I didn't like.

spk_0 I played it for a year without even being a staffer because I'm like, okay, I'm just going to give this thing a real good go because it's so easy to lay as a professional ball.

spk_0 It's so easy to go out and find deals. No problem. Like golf ball deals, shoot two deals, glove deals, whatever you want. There's deals out there that you can get.

spk_0 But there's very rarely like at the time, did you ever find guys that were just trying something for free and just using it and then really just giving it a go and that's kind of what I did on my I need to really try and give this a go because if I if you get paid, it's just easy.

spk_0 You're just going to go on get paid to say this is a ball that I use. I love it. You know what I mean is a lot of truth to it. Maybe maybe not, but you just kind of get used to it and you worked your golf game around that golf ball.

spk_0 Whereas I really wanted to build my game around this golf ball because I just knew that it was going to help me in the long run.

spk_0 Yeah, the money grab part. I mean, obviously I don't work out super well for Baba. One point in time you can argue whether or not.

spk_0 That was part of Ricky struggles initially going over to Taylor made was going from one ball to a very, very different ball and having to adjust that. So, you know, when you do it.

spk_0 What is your ball fitting process look like again, this is expansive is it's it's you know, extensive.

spk_0 Your professional. This is you know, your hammer nails. It's different than us. We can warriors, but give us a peek inside.

spk_0 What does that look like? What are you really looking for? Like what are your key decision points on yes or no or deal breakers?

spk_0 If this ball doesn't do a B or C. Yeah, then it's not even a consideration.

spk_0 So is the golf ball going far enough is obviously one of those crucial things because you like you don't want to start losing distance.

spk_0 How is it performing in breeze like into the wind downwind side breezes. How is it performing landing on the greens? How is it performing sliding shots?

spk_0 So your wedges your short eyes, your mid eyes like how do they how do they work out?

spk_0 Short game stuff around the greens. What does it sound like the feel and really just going back and forth between the balls. So like you'll be hitting.

spk_0 You know, bridge stone and then you go and hit your old ball and you just try and go back and forth and then you're like just okay, what is it?

spk_0 What I really want because there's pros and cons to all of it like my old ball that I had was a very, very firm golf ball.

spk_0 I never had to worry about spin because I'm a high spinning guy, but because it was such a rock hard golf ball.

spk_0 I never had to worry about it spinning like with the wedge.

spk_0 Because it would just come down and it felt like it was like a real heavy ball bounce and and stop.

spk_0 Whereas in sometimes the bridge stone ball, if I don't get my, if I don't quite get the technique right, sometimes it wants to spin.

spk_0 But now obviously I've changed into this new VS black and that's like mitigated like all that stuff. So which is fantastic.

spk_0 So there is a process and you're going through all of what I said is important.

spk_0 Obviously like I said, the sound is very, very important too because you can get things that are a little bit too clicky and that just doesn't that throws guys, you know, it doesn't matter what it is.

spk_0 If it's like if you like it clicky, then it can make a golf ball that is not as good.

spk_0 Seem like it's better than your old golf ball or vice versa the other way to.

spk_0 How much of this are you doing on course, you know, just going out there playing with a golf ball versus right of being being on the range with a track man.

spk_0 So track man, you can start to lose sight of you.

spk_0 It's good to get the numbers like a baseline of like let's just say for instance, like a seven on spins of 7,000 land.

spk_0 And I'm just saying just baseline. It doesn't that's not me. But it's good to get those numbers.

spk_0 How high it's going? What's the apex? What what's the land angle? What's the spin? How much curvature is there on that?

spk_0 And obviously some of that stuff is related to like what you do delivering into the golf ball.

spk_0 But the big thing is you've got to just take it out and play with it and get it get it out on the golf course and you got to go, OK, well, what is it like from the fairway at 100.

spk_0 150 yards and what is it like from the first car at 150 yards? What is it like from the first car with wind into me from 150 yards or downwind.

spk_0 You know, do I like that trajectory going into it? Do I do I not like the trajectory? Do I do I find that it's coming into hot?

spk_0 Do I find that it's coming into soft and spinning? Like does it come off the driver feeling like it's going to come off really fast or does come off a little bit slow and feel like it's just not really getting a lot of pop onto it.

spk_0 So there's just a number of things that you have to get out. If you don't like the what you're seeing trajectory wise, you'll never really fully believe in it.

spk_0 You know what I mean? So you've got to go out there and go, OK, that's my windows. I like what it's doing.

spk_0 And then just really kind of believe in that process. But if you don't, if you don't trust what it's doing, flight wise trajectory wise spin wise, it'll be very difficult to change over to any golf ball.

spk_0 You know, let alone like sign, you know, that you're fully trust.

spk_0 I think it was interesting that you mentioned the rough. I don't think you know when like Chris said the weekend warriors, right?

spk_0 We don't necessarily even wear trying out new balls trying to find something that works for us. Probably very few of us actually think like, all right, let's drop a few in the rough and really see what we notice.

spk_0 What do you see? Do you see pretty significant differences between golf balls hitting out of the rough? Like, OK, yeah, yeah, I mentioned like are there deal breakers, right?

spk_0 Yeah. Now some of it like if you're in the long rough, some of it like potentially is club related because depending on like the groove depth and the way that they cut the grooves.

spk_0 That can potentially cause flies or no flies. So that's obviously if that is the case, then how does that ball perform?

spk_0 Let's just say for instance, you got more of a V groove and the depth of depth of your groove is really small because you're trying to take spin off from the fairway.

spk_0 But if you go on the rough, you'll get a flyer. Are you OK with seeing a flyer out of the rough with, you know, the ball that you have currently.

spk_0 You know what I mean? If you are then great. That's no problem. If you have like more of a kind of you or square groove because the grooves.

spk_0 The groove rule is kind of like gray. You know what I mean? It's not like they said they got rid of square grooves, but like there's you can't get around it.

spk_0 But long story short is like when you have more square grooves like and you you're in the rough like the thick rough and you see it come out like let's say friends, I hit a 9155 yards and in thick rough, there's like a little bit of grass.

spk_0 You have to go through and then I only go about 150 yards. But then if I have the same lie and I have like the V grooves and it's popping that potentially could make them ball fly another 10 yards.

spk_0 Do I like that? So that's the reason what I'm saying is like when you're testingable, test it, go to the rough, go to the first cut, go to the sand, spray water on your ball, if you can, because you could have a seven on spinning at 7000 on a nice dry day,

spk_0 87 degrees zero altitude and then you put some water on it and it's going to spin at 8000 and it's going to pull up, you know, five to seven yards shorter than your actual normal dry seven on so like those are the things that you kind of have to test and really understand.

spk_0 And some balls don't do that. Some balls kind of are better with wet, you know, with a wet ball or some balls are better with, you know, out of the first kind.

spk_0 So they're the kind of things that you have to go through.

spk_0 There we are.

spk_0 We're all sorry boys.

spk_0 Yeah, my bad.

spk_0 No, you're good.

spk_0 Where was it?

spk_0 We just finished up like V group square, we were just saying, hey, can you live with knowing that you may get that flyer, you know, and that's going to, you know, the may, you know, dump some of the spin and, and you know, I think.

spk_0 And you definitely get people that are way more into it, right? And they can take the time and do all that.

spk_0 Yeah, most golfers probably won't do that. So if you were, let's say somebody that's interested saying, God, never really thought about testing a ball versus my new ball. I'm interested. I'll do that.

spk_0 What do you think would be kind of like a reader's digest version or like a diet ball thing. If you're like, hey, I'm going to get this done and here three to five things that your 12 handicap can do that would help put them in a better ball.

spk_0 Like if you had to simplify that, what do you think would be kind of those maybe three to five things that would be like the non negotiables again?

spk_0 Well, I think you have to look at your club speed because if you're, if you're, let's just say for instance, you could potentially use a tight list, probably one or a left left dash or left dot.

spk_0 And you're suing the club at 95 miles now with a driver. That ball is not going to be good for you. You don't mean.

spk_0 You need something that is probably a little bit softer, maybe spins a little bit more. We'll be able to get it in the air a little bit more and you might optimize it better that way.

spk_0 So, yeah, I mean, Bridgestone has a great ball fitting process where you can actually go through and see what type of golf ball actually you need for your club, club speed.

spk_0 And then obviously that they kind of take you through the whole fitting process in that in that sense. But yeah, I mean that's and then obviously what what's it doing around the grains, how's it spinning?

spk_0 They're really the only two things like because no one most amateurs aren't able to really control.

spk_0 Let's just say you hit your 56 degree 100 yards and I say, hey, I want you to hit your 56 85 yards. They're not going to be able to control that they don't have enough.

spk_0 And I'm just talking about like a normal 12 handicap. They won't have the ability to go, hey, I'm going to take, I'm going to grip down. I'm going to hit a like a three quarter shot.

spk_0 That should be about 85 yards and hit it at, you know, 70 feet in the air with a certain next amount of spin. They don't have that.

spk_0 So just my thing is just like does the ball fit your driver? Do you like the ball when it comes off?

spk_0 I wise does it go through the windows that you like and does it does it give you enough playability around the greens to be able to fit into a golf ball that you like.

spk_0 But the not everyone should be playing a tight list golf ball, pro v1 X like or left left dash left dot whatever it is.

spk_0 Or even like a VS black or a two or BX back and then, you know, last year, you not everyone should be playing these balls if you're not quite fit for them.

spk_0 So that's why I'm saying like the bridge stone has a great ball fitting process. So you should be able to go get fit for that.

spk_0 Yeah, most amateurs, I know that you say, hey, take this hundred yard 56, you know, hit it 85.

spk_0 You just chunk it and it goes, that was 85 like that's an easy way to take 15 years off.

spk_0 Just chunk it, right?

spk_0

spk_0 Hit a little bit, hit a little bit higher on the face and kind of loop. Sarah and then it's on.

spk_0 Then you're good. You're good to go. I know this is going back a little bit prior to some of this ball testing stuff, but talk a little bit about your work with Jason Goldsmith and the mindset part and, you know, just what that was and and maybe the key benefits of it for you like during a tournament week.

spk_0 Yeah. So I started working with Jason Goldsmith in 2012 and we worked on like kind of this blue print of like how to go through a loop or through your awareness around.

spk_0 And essentially what you're trying to do is you're trying to put your eyes and your awareness in two different spots. So I'm looking at you guys right now, but I know my buddies are out in the green.

spk_0 I can throw my awareness on my buddies out in the green that are putting on the green out there right now and they're just walking around and stuff.

spk_0 So essentially that way if your mind and your awareness focus on one thing, it gives you enough time and space to be able to start to your mind to wander, you know.

spk_0 So essentially that's where we're I'd get over a shot. I'd go into a shot. I'd ask myself a question. So what is a good draw. What does a draw seven on look like once we ask a question, the brain will answer.

spk_0 And then from there, I would visualize then I'd start to walk in. I'd be looking at my target by my awareness would be on the golf ball. Right. So as I would get close to the golf ball, I know that I'd go, OK, I'm ready to switch.

spk_0 So as soon as my my eyes and my awareness, where awareness of the golf ball, my eyes were at the target. As soon as I got close to the golf ball, my head would start to go to the golf ball.

spk_0 And then my awareness from the golf ball would switch out to the target. And then I'd get over it and set up.

spk_0 And then I'd be looking at the golf ball, my awareness that the target and as soon as I looked up at the target, my awareness would go back to the golf ball.

spk_0 So essentially what you're trying to do is you're trying to not let any sort of negative chatter or even just chatter in general, because once you're thinking it's just it takes you out of focus.

spk_0 And that way, like we're trying to take that chatter out and then you're just going back and forth until you're ready to pull the trigger and hit the shot.

spk_0 Now when we started talking about mindset on the golf ball, that's kind of what the process was. We were like, OK, what's the what the rings, you know, we got to go, we got to start with the with the gathering of the information.

spk_0 And once we gather the information, then we got a visualizer shot. And then obviously the last step was to go ahead and pull the trigger and execute.

spk_0 And that's kind of like something where we have tested with bridge stone. And yeah, it's been it's been amazing, you know, kind of process to test through those guys.

spk_0 And but also hear the good stories about, you know, how guys just, you know, lowering their handicaps and lowering their scores because of it.

spk_0 How did how did the mindset kind of the actual graphic on the ball progress. I think we was a PGA show last year, right, bridge stone showed us some of the early ideas.

spk_0 Can you kind of step us through your involvement in getting to what I guess constitutes the final design.

spk_0 Yeah, so essentially it came out as a ring design because you like it was just step one step two, step three.

spk_0 And obviously step one was the was the gathering information stage where you have the red circle. And obviously you got the yellow circle where you're like, it's kind of like a stop light green light kind of like,

spk_0 or you're at a light red light and it's like, okay, I'm stopped. I'm thinking.

spk_0 Then you like, obviously you go into the yellow some places of yellow and then green. So we just wanted to make sure that we're like there was a process in steps to go from red yellow green green was like,

spk_0 I'm like, Paulie trigger, let's go kind of thing because you wanted to go out there gather all the information how far is it what's lie doing, you know, is it hot is a cold is a wet is a dry, you know, what other things that could potentially cause my ball to go further or shorter.

spk_0 Then you visualize, you ask yourself the question, what is it, what is a good seven on draw seven on look like.

spk_0 And then you go in and just execute and trust that process that you got it because most of the time, and I'm sure you guys have done it because you guys are golfers where you go, okay, I got 165, eight on or I got one, you know, 85, I had six on. Yeah, no problem.

spk_0 And you don't think you just like pull the trigger and just hit it and you're like, I hope that goes somewhere close to it because you just you just think I hit my six on 185 yards and

spk_0 it should just go about that distance, but you there's a lot more to the process because you're sitting there going, how hard of the greens today, where's the wind, is it like dry conditions, am I playing it out to two to our paying at sea level.

spk_0 How do I feel in general, you know, my tired is my speed down, all right, and we jacked up on playing a tournament on my head further.

spk_0 All those things are the gathering information sage and that's the integral part of like getting into the correct mindset.

spk_0 So it's a very, it sounds like a very simple way of processing and managing a whole lot of information, right, like it's not just, you know, all right, look at the target, look at the ball, hit it.

spk_0 It's really kind of being aware of everything that goes into that golf shot.

spk_0 Yeah, it's just getting the amara to be a more to be more prepared to be able to hit the golf shot.

spk_0 So if they're more prepared to be able to hit the golf shot, the most likely going to hit a better golf shot in the long run, they're going to play better, they're going to feel better about their game and they're going to just overall enjoy the game a lot more because they're actually doing a routine every single time that they go through those process or those steps.

spk_0 And granted, you can't see the mindset logo every single time, but if you do it enough over time, it'll just become part of your routine and that's what we're, that's what our whole goal was to be able to help the amara get into a better routine from start to finish so that they can actually start to play a lot better.

spk_0 Yeah, let's want to talk about the new ball a little bit to you've alluded to it mentioned to it.

spk_0 We don't want to spill beans, talk tech details, things that aren't still under embark doing that stuff, but how involved have you been in this process?

spk_0 Now, the thing said it was 22, I think maybe is when you signed a fish you were playing a deer before that's where we're talking five, six years of experience with, you know, with the product.

spk_0 So getting into that a little bit, what's your role, then what have you noticed in this new box? I believe you're already playing it.

spk_0 Yeah, I am playing it actually I've got some stats here because like can I do you want me to say stats on though?

spk_0 Yes, absolutely.

spk_0 Absolutely.

spk_0 Okay, so when I was number one in the world, I was, I remember it oakmont 2016, I was on the range next to Dustin Johnson and me and him were beating driver.

spk_0 And I was 187 ball speed at that time.

spk_0 I'm no, I'm no one knew that now because I'm just older.

spk_0 And me neither.

spk_0 So it's okay.

spk_0 You're a monster.

spk_0 So with that being said, you know, I think a good driver of the golf ball, if you can average 65% of fairways and you're over 180 ball speed, like at 180 or above,

spk_0 which means you're going to hit over 300 plus yards.

spk_0 That is a good formula for success, right?

spk_0 So for the most part, like I like based off what they're saying, you know, through the, the VS black compared to the two of BX strokes gained heat green for the year before the playoffs.

spk_0 I was 71st at 0.224 driving distance was 299.5, 117th.

spk_0 That's awful accuracy 59, 59.6%.

spk_0 80 second awful terrible.

spk_0 I changed to the golf ball, strove gained heat green 2.563, which was 10th in the playoffs, like in that it's now granted.

spk_0 And it is a small testing pool because I only played two tournaments, but during those two tournaments, I was 10th in strove, 20th green.

spk_0 And then driving distance, I was at 308.7.

spk_0 So I went to 30th instead of 117.

spk_0 So I gained 9.2 yards, you can say 10 yards.

spk_0 And then I accuracy was at 68.16.

spk_0 So I was 11th in accuracy as well.

spk_0 So with that being said, I've seen a significant gain in ball speed up to two to two and a half miles now and in ball speed alone, which, which equates to that, you know, pretty much 10 yards of extra distance.

spk_0 So that being like if I could keep myself at 68, well, like I said, 65% and 300 plus, you are going to be a really, really, really outstanding driver of the golf ball and known as an outstanding driver of the golf ball because you hit it long and straight.

spk_0 So that's just going to give you more opportunities to be able to get at certain pin locations because you're actually playing a lot shorter shots coming into the greens.

spk_0 And should lower your scores potentially if you're a half decent, I employer.

spk_0 And then get yourself on the green.

spk_0 So yeah, that's kind of where that's kind of where the VS black is sitting right now.

spk_0 It's been tested wonderfully.

spk_0 They actually came to me last fall and said, hey, we got this new driver new ball coming out.

spk_0 And I tested it out.

spk_0 I'm like, when is this ball coming out?

spk_0 Oh, it's not going to come out for another year. I'm like, why are you freaking telling me about this right now?

spk_0 Because I want to want to play it, you know what I mean?

spk_0 So it took, took a while and then all of a sudden, like, you know, they said, oh, we're going to do it before the playoffs. I'm like, thank goodness.

spk_0 Like I can, like, let me, let me get some, like, you know, some more distance out of which was great.

spk_0 So no transition time. I mean, really, did you put it in right away?

spk_0 Oh, no, I was straight.

spk_0 Yeah, it's right in the back.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 I mean, yeah, two, two to three miles an hour, 10 yards more fairways.

spk_0 Is it, is it strictly speed and, you know, again, much more fairway, so an accuracy component tied in with actually hitting the ball longer, too.

spk_0 So kind of a win-win in that regard. But is there anything else you're seeing?

spk_0 I don't see any loss in spin around the greens, which is kind of weird, because typically when you're talking to a professional golfer and that's then, and then the whoever you work with, golf ball related, they always come into something.

spk_0 What do you want to see in a golf ball? Well, there's two things. I want to hit it longer and I want to spin more around the greens.

spk_0 Then typically the two things that usually most guys say, you know what I mean?

spk_0 And then when they do, when they, when you do say that, you're like, oh, you can't really do that.

spk_0 You either got to give one up or the other. So right now, I'm in a perfect world where I've got the spin around the greens that I haven't lost with compared from the two of the extra new VS black.

spk_0 And then I've gained distance, which is like outstanding. Like I couldn't be happier with the ball.

spk_0 And then they're going to roll it all back.

spk_0 Yeah, I'm going to issue with that. I do have an issue with that.

spk_0 What's, yeah, what's your take and what's kind of the sentiment amongst players, etc.

spk_0 They give us your take because we talk about all this wonderful technology, British on this that you found these through testing, etc.

spk_0 I get excited because another five yards to me would be huge, right?

spk_0 For me, a half a club, anything is great. And then I go, I, I've asked every single golfer I've ever played with, including some guys that are really, really long.

spk_0 And none of them told me they want to hit it shorter.

spk_0 So no one wants to hit it shorter. Yeah, no one wants to hit it shorter.

spk_0 I think, I think they should stop the ball and make the driver less forgiving.

spk_0 The driver is the most forgiving club in your bag. You make that thing less forgiving.

spk_0 And like if you're, if you're susceptible to hitting some, some duck hooks or some block cuts, you're going to pull out that three wood or that long line pretty quick to just get something bumping down the middle of the fairway

spk_0 because you're like, I can't be hitting it 240 yards snap, walking into the into the trees.

spk_0 You know, I need to get something kind of out in the middle. And that's essentially the way that golf is gone because we've made the goal for longer.

spk_0 And we've also made the driver longer and more forgiving. And but that's technology in itself.

spk_0 Like the athlete is so much better. Like the college, like every time I see a kid that's coming out on the, on the tour now, they're like six three wide-shouldered hit it like 185 mile an hour.

spk_0 I understand make the driver less forgiving. They might pull out a three wood. They may and that will bring because every the way that we play golf these days is so offense driven.

spk_0 We hit it as far as we can down there. And we just kind of gouge it out.

spk_0 Rather than like back in when I first started, there were guys that were kind of there was a mixture of both. There was guys that were still very defensive.

spk_0 And then there was guys that were hitting like our drivers like. Yeah, then there was guys that were hitting.

spk_0 You know, like kind of bunting it down the fairways getting getting themselves in positions and and going from there.

spk_0 So do you think I mean what I'm here you say to you is like for elite tour players golfers making golf ball go shorter doesn't necessarily change their their mindset, but giving you a golf club now that is inherently less forgiving or more prone to.

spk_0 Yeah, that would actually cause you to think differently about whether you send it or whether you like you said pull three wood etc.

spk_0 So if you had a however they would do that 300 CC's 340 CC's or limit M.O.I. or whatever it was that would impact how you approached it.

spk_0 Yeah, that would impact the way that you approach because you're not going to feel great every single day.

spk_0 You're not going to feel like I'm like swinging you're not going to feel like worry macro that drives a golf ball the way he does every single day.

spk_0 You know, it's just like it's it's very there's a small percentage of guys that have that.

spk_0 And when you're fighting you swing a little bit and you're not quite feeling you're not quite confident.

spk_0 And then all of a sudden you get these hooks and you get the slices and you're like you're pulling a lofted club out and just trying to get it on the fairway and get through it because.

spk_0 Now is it going to make it less exciting maybe maybe not maybe like maybe it's going to come down to the line and you're going to see some.

spk_0 Terrible shots or maybe you're going to come down and you're going to see guys play a different style again because now it's just like getting a driver as far as you can.

spk_0 Gouged it out and it's just very one dimensional and that's kind of.

spk_0 Going into a lot of course architecture as well you know to mean and the way that we play major championship golf tournaments is usually just drivers far as you can.

spk_0 When you're out you know on the green hopefully give yourself a part.

spk_0 Yeah, I want to see somebody on 18 to you to gust a leading the tournament fighting their driver with that narrow corridor going.

spk_0 Do I do a driver do I throw hybrid longer knowing that I'm going to have five six iron in instead of like yeah well I mean yeah I mean that's that's a point is that like.

spk_0 This year I I was I had like zero idea of where the ball was going I've lost a ball up 18 made a great five in the end because they had drive down a fairway and then hit a.

spk_0 And I'm on the green but like you let's just say for instance 300 yards from the t box kind of in and around where we tee off 300 yards the first bunker on the left.

spk_0 If you're long you're going to get to that first bunker if you're not quite comfortable.

spk_0 And you're comfortable hitting a fade or you just not comfortable with the drivers going you're going to pull purple three would when you pull three would now you're hitting.

spk_0 Five on maybe a little bit longer into that into that green like that's going to like change a lot of things especially when you're trying to win a tournament or you're trying to catch someone.

spk_0 It's just going to be that that's when like big massive swings can potentially happen.

spk_0 Yeah and all of a sudden four becomes a really good score in that hole is opposed to hey let's see if somebody can make birdie to you know to for something.

spk_0 Yeah I mean it seems like it's inevitable I mean what's the sense out there to is like the focus has been the ball inspired the fact your ideas great night I agree with you.

spk_0 It seems like they're kind of gone down this road is that to you are you kind of preparing for that is almost an inevitability or do you think it's still up for debate.

spk_0 I think if you talk to some ball manufacturers there's some OEMs that would definitely not want to see it go that way and then there's some OEMs that would love to see it go that way because they can cut into the market share.

spk_0 That's what I'm saying.

spk_0 Yeah so as a player I wouldn't want to see it go that way because it just takes I mean do you want to see Rory Macquarie hit it to 90.

spk_0 You know what I mean and I'm just pulling out of number you know I mean he could still hit it 310 to 120 yards but it's just not as fun watching someone hit it like 290 you know it's not as fun watching like Bryson to Shambot like watching Bryson to Shambot hit driver on the first hole at the right of cup was like impressive you know that's fun to watch.

spk_0 Yeah I mean he hit it to the fringe and singles and I mean he still lost the whole but whatever it was awesome.

spk_0 Yeah to see him kind of kind of take that approach and it's.

spk_0 But once again yeah once once again I just I understand there's always going to be longer guys on tour I understand what the USIA is trying to do because.

spk_0 The next bat like that show of like young players college kids they're all swinging 185 190's you know what I mean so it's just only going to get longer and longer and longer as you know these young kids come up so I understand what they're trying to do I just think we can do it differently not have to give up.

spk_0 Or have two separate rules for amateurs and or like your local weekend go for and professional or elite levels golf you know I mean on two different standards of golf balls because that would that would not be fun you know I mean like it's it's just.

spk_0 It's like any you know sport professional golfers or professional athletes make the sport look so simple that anyone can go out there and think they can do it you know so to be able to.

spk_0 Take that out of a lot of people's hands like kind of it's it's a little bit a little bit sad to think about but it'll be interesting we're a little bit away from that so hopefully they we come up with a solution but I definitely understand both sides I'd rather not see the the rollback.

spk_0 What about the tour in general is there is it would you say universally against a rollback or their pockets of support are there some guys who are looking forward to it.

spk_0 It's funny we we listen to these governing bodies that only have like one professional tournament a year you know like you they got the US US open the British open and well they listening to these guys like we essentially could make our own rules as a p.j. tool because we play us a whole we could essentially make our own rules if we wanted to but it just doesn't make sense because obviously we've abided by the rules for such a long time.

spk_0 I know that the two are doesn't want I.

spk_0 I'm yet to find someone on tour that actually wants the rollback.

spk_0 Like truly in their heart because.

spk_0 And I'm not saying that there is and I'm sure there are but it just makes.

spk_0 And it's a product that's you know not as good you know what I mean like I said before like it just I don't want I don't want to see worry like pumping a drive out there and it just goes to 95 you know I want to see him hit a 3 30 3 40 down the metal.

spk_0 But yeah I think I I would assume and this is just an assumption I would assume that the tool would rather long drives a lot of birdies a lot of excitement.

spk_0 Yeah I think that's fair I mean and you know it's first world problems I get it but at the same time it's you know it's it's kind of one of the bigger topics facing us let's finish up with this let's go through just your golf bag real quick what are you bagging now what are you playing with for all this equipment geeks out there what tweaks have you made what are you currently testing what let's start driver we'll just kind of go driver.

spk_0 I'm assuming you guys have heard that I've been playing or testing some clubs I guess but I am yeah sorry one second I'm sorry but yeah two minutes.

spk_0 I have always played the ping ping driver for a while now I just I love the feel of the off center hits I love the stability I am playing a TGI.

spk_0 I'm sure that's why I'm sure which is a KBS shaft and now.

spk_0 And I'm actually trying to match the shafts throughout the whole bag so the profile of the shafts so essentially what the theory is there is that we can swing at the same for each club and not have because back in the day you'd be like OK the drivers essentially a different swing and the eyes are a difference swing and you got to get different shafts to match those so.

spk_0 Yeah I mean it's I'm testing some of our voter stuff but I'm playing tailor made right now but I'm testing jumbo max grips and I'm testing the TGI 110's as well which job oh max like when you think about jumbo max like I think other than Bryce I don't think anyone else is playing jumbo max grips right now but I have Voki wedges in the bag but you know they're like I said a voter testing those you know I've got the tailor made to my bag I got the

spk_0 ping I got m6 3 wood and a QI 35 7 wood yeah so there's just a number of things in my bag right now that I'm testing I'm at a season right now so I don't even know what I'm going to go with next year.

spk_0 We see that even like amateur's tour players it seems to be universal truth that the three wood is the one that that sticks around the longest is that always been the case for you.

spk_0 Yeah because you have to it's it's almost like a 60 degree right you like with a 60 degree club you're asking it to do be one of the most versatile clubs in the bag right you have to play high shots low shots bunkers rough fairway you have to like get it running you have to get a stop and you have to get it spinning so if you don't find the right grind bounce and all that stuff and it for it to go into the ground and out of the ground

spk_0 by the way that you want to then that makes shipping and short game very very tough. Same kind of thing concept with three wood you're asking it to go really really hard off the off the teabox and you're asking it to come really really soft and land soft on to a power five green.

spk_0 And you're asking it to for me I hit this low bunch of three wood that I use a lot at the British open or any sort of dry conditions and I also like to fly it up and get it up in the air so you're asking three wood to kind of be a lot and if and I drive it it's just stock standard off it to you hitting it like a normal swing just hitting like your stock stand and shot whereas in a three wood you're kind of asking it to draw fade land high go high land soft go hard low

spk_0 run a lot so once you find one it's very very difficult to get that thing out of the bag.

spk_0 Yeah no doubt well that we covered a lot I can't wait to you know follow see how things go in the off season see what's in the bag start next season all of those things we appreciate you coming on appreciate your carbon out time I know it's off season but I know your schedule is still super busy and so we appreciate the conversation in your time and

spk_0 wishing nothing but the best moving forward and you know if you ever need a caddy at a gust I know a guy.

spk_0 I appreciate you guys having me on and I was good chatting with you guys I hope to do it again soon.

spk_0 All right thanks Jason everybody else leave your comments let us know what you think we out.

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