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S 2 Ep 9: Big Gramathy
In this episode of the Going Rogue podcast, host Jeremy sits down with pro athlete Graham Hawthorne, aka Big Gramothy, as he reflects on his first year competing in the Highland Games. They discuss Gr...
S 2 Ep 9: Big Gramathy
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Speaker A
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of the Going Rogue podcast. Sorry for the massive delay, but life be lifing sometimes. But we are back at it. Today we are going to be talking with Big Gramothy himself, Graham Hawthorne, who is concluding his first year as a pro athlete on the circuit. Graham recently competed at the Woodridge Games that we hosted as well as the Celtic Classic. That's mostly what this episode is going to focus on is Graham's experience at the Celtic and sort of a breakdown of that. But before we get into that, we are going to chat very quickly about all of our pro sponsors from the Woodridge Games. This will be the last time you hear me run through all of them as the Games are done. But some of these guys came on late and I still wanted to be able to give them a shout out. So starting off Zoe's tattoos, you can find her on Instagram at Zoe's Underscore Tattoos. She is a fantastic artist out of the Virginia beach area specializing in black and gray realism. So if you are in that area and want frankly one of the coolest tattoos you could ever get, go check out Zoe. You can find her on Instagram. Her booking links are typically in her bio line whenever her books are open. So check her out and give her a follow AIT Ambulance. So if you are in the southwest part of the United States and you are looking for either an ambulance, an air ambulance or just a ride to or from your doctor, you can get in touch with AIT Ambulance. They are a team you can trust. The Kilted Patriot. This one you guys have heard me harp on over and over again. It is a fantastic non profit. They stepped up in a big way to help us out this year and they will be around for next year's games at Woodridge as well. So you're going to hear me yap about these guys a lot but they deserve every bit of the credit. If you do decide to go support them, be sure to tell them we sent you so that they know that they are applying themselves in the right places and so that I know I'm doing a good job of getting their name out there because it is a fantastic non profit running the memory of Joel Sim and it their whole entire goal is to support the athletics at these Games which is very very much in line with what we Going Rogue are trying to do in putting athletes first. They're not worried about the festival, they're not worried about anything except for you guys. So if you are looking for a way to give back in a bigger way, please go check them out. Small donations help. Buying merch from them helps. I think they actually just released some hoodies and stuff because it is hoodie season. So definitely go check out Kilted Patriot Cerberus usa. So Cerberus makes some of the best lifting gear out there. If you're looking for belts, wraps, straps, whatever you might need. Neoprene shorts as some of us are getting older and our hips are getting tired. They are fantastic. I actually wore one of their soft belts all weekend at VSG and I I loved having that little bit of support but not too much. Stars and Thistles if you want some of the best tacky out there, go check them out. The quarters are making fantastic tacky. You can find discount codes all over the place. If you're a part of this community you've already seen 10 or 12 of them. So if you are looking for the best tacky in the game, go to starsandthistles.com and get tacky. Scottishthoriscoach.com if you were looking for a way to program and review your throws training for the Highland Games, reach out to Matt McDougall. He runs ScottishThrowsCoach.com and their motto is Better bad throws. Trying to raise your your floor as an athlete. So definitely check them out. And last but not least, the Strength Agenda.com go check them out. Just a fantastic resource if you are into Olympic lifting, strong man, the Highland Games, any of that stuff. And again, if you're looking for a way to structure your specific Highland Games training, the Strength Agenda does have A E manual that you can buy and will help you actually structure all of your lifting and throws training and things like that. So and once again just thank you to everyone that made the Woodridge Games possible. Backyard Rebellion and Holiday Highlander were both bronze level sponsors and we couldn't have done it without them as well. And to all the companies that chipped in on prizes and things like that to help our athletes feel supported. So Serious Steel Fitness out of Roanoke, Virginia Zone Smelling salts out of the same location. Norse Fitness, all of all of those companies did a fantastic job. And heavyathlete.com if you don't have a profile, go make one. That's where we run our registration. That's where most games are now and it's where rankings for things like the Celtic that we're about to talk about are being run off of. So definitely go check out heavy athlete but that is it. So I'm gonna let you guys go and we will get into the episode with Graham.
Speaker B
I gotta say, you got a much, much better vibe going on with the background, dude.
Speaker C
It's turned out pretty cool. I'm like. I'm just. Even if I change things up in the new place, I'm gonna leave this as, like, the backdrop because it's neat.
Speaker B
It's a pretty neat backdrop. Is that a Lord of the Rings you got on the shelf?
Speaker A
Yeah, I got my Lord of the.
Speaker C
Rings collectible goblets from Burger King.
Speaker B
Nice.
Speaker C
That have the light up bases and everything. I've got Euro mounts. I've got whiskey decanters. I've got, you know, turkey fans. It. It could be worse. I need to find a way to get the deer shoulder mounts into one shot. But eventually, I'll be, like, this big because I'm just trying to squeeze all the cool shit into one photo.
Speaker B
Yeah, I'm just in a. I'm in Rose's office space with a ton of.
Speaker C
Personalized stuff behind you.
Speaker B
Yeah. Ton of personalized. Hey, so far, I built her a desk, so that's step one.
Speaker C
There you go.
Speaker B
Yeah, that was step one. And, you know, personalization. We got a nice. Actually, the cat litter box.
Speaker C
Oh, okay.
Speaker B
So good.
Speaker C
We're letting people in on the secrets here. Very personalized is all the good stuff. Yeah. What do I know? But let me grab a cough drop, too, so everyone hopefully doesn't have to listen to me hack this entire time. Oh, no. Because I'm still trying to get Matt together to do, like, a recap after Woodridge. But, like, for those that don't know, I just had the flu and was just running around all day, doped out of my mind on DayQuil.
Speaker B
Was that after Woodridge you came down?
Speaker C
No, that was during I came down. I had a fever, like, Thursday night, and so all day Friday I was laid up, and Saturday I was still getting over it. I was human by Sunday, but.
Speaker B
Yeah, that sucks.
Speaker C
Yeah. The Jeremy everyone got on Saturday was a man possessed by the power of the Highland Games. Yeah. Yeah. That. Definitely not. Just a bunch of acetaminophen and cough syrup. Yeah. Yeah. So much caffeine. Like, it took way more than you would think.
Speaker B
Well, yeah, you presented well.
Speaker C
Good. Look, if that's what comes across is that everyone thinks I was doing fine. That's. That's an absolute win. All right, we can get into the actual. God, I'm out of practice. I haven't done one of these in so long.
Speaker B
I did shake the rust off with you.
Speaker C
Yeah. I got to I gotta do something here and I don't have Matt to like, provide dead air space when I forget what I'm saying. So this is gonna be. This is gonna be something. Thank God for the power of editing. So I'm gonna try and get all this pulled up. Do you know if they put the scores in for the Celtic yet?
Speaker B
I don't think so. I can double check.
Speaker C
I'm pulling it up right now. I'm a professional.
Speaker B
Yeah.
Speaker C
I don't know where.
Speaker B
I'm not sure where, other than Heavy Athlete. They would be both.
Speaker C
Yeah, I. I would imagine they would go to Heavy Athlete since they use it as the Celtic tracker. One would think that it would go there, but thinking doesn't get you far in the sport. Yeah, I don't see them all. Right, well, anyway, then we'll just kind of get into it. We'll give the people kind of a brief intro about who you are and why you are and how you are. So Graham Hawthorne, currently ranked, as I'm looking at it, ninth out of all the pros and Heavy Athlete. It was a little higher than that earlier in the year, but stuff be stuffing. Spencer Tyler threw, you know, two games and obviously had to put himself into third. But. So this was your first season as a pro, right? Right, Correct. Not crazy because you even have. Have you got 20 25am scores in? I think you did, yeah.
Speaker B
Those Sedalia and then the, like the backyard games we did in February.
Speaker C
That's right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. At the warehouse. I got it. That was this year. That feels like forever ago. That was. So how did you. Because this is something I don't even know the details of. How did you end up. I know it involves Matt in some way, shape or form, but getting into the games and how you wound up here and just give us. Give us the brief overview. The Spark Notes version.
Speaker B
Yeah, no, it did have to do with Matt.
Speaker C
Yeah.
Speaker B
I was going to the Barn gym, Matt's gym, doing a couple strongman comps when I first moved to Virginia. Did a few comps. I knew who Matt was. And then 2024 rolled around last year I started going up more often, followed Matt on Instagram. So I did Highland games and I was like, hey, what's. You're wearing a kilt, you're throwing stuff. That looks kind of fun. So he brought me out to practice at Jerry's with the. The throwing group there in Richmond and had fun. Did Sedalia, as my introduction to howling is, which shout out you. I think you won that One.
Speaker C
Let me, I'm pulling it up right now. Did I win that one? No, Spencer Keck won that one. I had the flu for Sedalia that year too. Yeah, it was Spencer, then Timmy and me on the podium. And it looks like you to give people some hope out there. You came in sixth.
Speaker B
Yeah, I think like a, like a 23 foot heavyweight.
Speaker C
Yeah. Let's see. We can, we can run through all this. If everyone wants to know what it takes to be ninth in the country by your second year. Let's see. So a 29 foot Braemar and change a 35 heavyweight. So you know your first game. Just do that. Something must be wrong here though, because it says a 26 foot lightweight. Oh, no, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Erased what I just said. A 35 foot open stone, 26 heavy, 55 light and then 27 on sheath, 11 on wob for your first ever games at Sedalia.
Speaker B
Yeah, first ever. So had fun. I was still doing strongman comps through the year. Last year, mixed in what, like four or five more Highland Games.
Speaker C
Yeah, you went Sedalia, Central Carolina, the YMCA game. Then you went to Maine in August and then VSG in at the end of August. That's the one that I won because you, you made a very specific call in chief and I'm forever grateful because I finally got to win bsg. So that was nice. Yeah.
Speaker B
So, yeah, that after first year I was, I made the decision in Maine after Maine last year that I was gonna go full on into Highland Games. Drop strong man. Because it was just, yeah, Highland Games more. I think it was just what I was searching for really. I, I tried a bunch, a bunch of strength sports. I, I did a, some bodybuilding competition, some Olympic lifting, then got into strongman and then found throwing. And I was like, that's throwing in the Highland Games are what I was looking for in terms of competition and all the technical, technical, like challenges. Yeah, and aspects. So that was, I knew what I was wanting to sink my teeth into and, and strive to, to get to the top.
Speaker C
Yeah, because I mean, you, you ended your 20, 24 year with, you know, what would be considered good a marks, you know, you know, up pushing into the mid-30s and Braemar over 40 in the open stone, 31.68 in the weights. That was really fun to watch your, your lightweight pop at VSG that year because like you were, you were consistently in the mid to low 50s leading into that game. Like you'd maybe crack into the mid-50s every once in A while. And I think it wasn't even your first throw. Like your first lightweight throw was like all of your other lightweight throws. And then it did what throwing does and you went, oh, it's this. And then. And it was like a 64 out of nowhere and ended up with like a 68. Yeah, that's right. Throwing lefty just isn't real. Left handed people aren't real. As I stare at my son who is left handed, you're not real. It's the sixth sense. But yeah, I mean, 79.98 in the hammers, 28 foot chief, 15 foot wob by the end of your first year. Also, thank you for doing what I want people to do with their heavy athlete bio. Like putting the stuff that I would as an announcer. Want to read. Yeah. To a crowd. Like, it makes so much more sense to do it that way. And no one, no one listens.
Speaker B
They never do.
Speaker C
It's true. My, my entire Highland Games, I don't want to say the word career because it's not like I've ever been paid to do any of this, but the stint of it has. Just trying to get people to do things and everyone be like, nah, we're gonna do something different. But yeah. So then you went Pro. As of April 26th was your first pro score at Central Carolina this year.
Speaker B
Which was really cool because I got to throw against Eric Frazier, who I again met at Celtic.
Speaker C
At Celtic. Yeah. Eric's a, Eric's a very unique guy. Yeah, he is. I wouldn't mind getting him on here at some time because it, you'll. You run into a lot of people in these games who all, like, they'll fit into these little groups. And then you've just got Eric over here in his own bubble just doing Eric stuff. And I don't mean that negatively. People are going to take that negative. And I, I don't. It's just that Eric has a very unique approach to like almost everything Eric does. Yeah. So. But yeah, so you got, let's see, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 pro games in before the Celtic.
Speaker B
And then three in Scotland.
Speaker C
That's right. Yeah. Because we're still spoiler alert trying to put together a Scotland recap video. I'm trying to get you and Brandon and Matt over here so we won't, we won't spoil that too much. But yeah, you guys went over there for what, like a week and a half?
Speaker B
Yeah. 10 days.
Speaker C
10 days, yeah. Threw in a few games. Did you also do Scottish worlds? The same one Brandon Did.
Speaker B
Yes, Halkirk.
Speaker C
Okay, so you can say that you officially placed in XYZ spot at the Scottish World Championship.
Speaker B
Yeah, actually, I can say, yeah. Same as Celtic, in fifth place.
Speaker C
Yeah. Yeah, we brought that up at the demo. Brandon and I went and did with Jerry. Jerry was like, you know, Brandon recently competed at Scottish Worlds. And I was like. And he's never beat me. Which I could as an AM say about you. The only two games we ever threw. It doesn't matter that you ended up top 10 in the world and went to the Celtic. I'm gonna hang on to this very specific little sound blur. Yeah. Our sport's not real. None of this is nothing. Yeah. I mean, you've just out thrown me in every event, so why would. Why would that matter with two years? But. So. Yeah. And then for those who don't know, add your bio. 27 years old, active in the Navy, which I'm assuming is what brought you to Virginia. Yes. In the first place. Yeah. And then again, since this is a Celtic episode, we don't need to go too deep. But you. You did do a stint overseas on a deployment and took stuff over there with you to train. When you had decided, hey, I'm going to do Highland Games. You took what, a weight and a stone?
Speaker B
Yeah, my. My first off season. My first off season for the Highland Games is last winter, and I spent three months on deployment out in Bahrain, where I took open stone that Jerry graciously lended to me and. Lightweight.
Speaker C
Nice.
Speaker B
So I was out there in the. In the. In the dirt, right?
Speaker C
Yeah. For anyone that's ever borrowed equipment and not returned it, I want to make it clear that Graham took a stone and a weight to Bahrain and they made it back. There's. There's no reason for things not to find their way back to home. But. Yeah, so then. All right, the reason that we're here is the Celtic Championship, and I don't. Or the Celtic Classic, which I have almost no direction on because I've never even gone to watch it. I mean, aside from just knowing, you know, John and Wes and guys that have been there. But I. I don't even know that much about the game because I. I have no frame of reference for it. Yeah.
Speaker B
So, I mean, in terms of the game, like, putting aside performance and everything, the game in the festival exceeded expectations for me.
Speaker C
Nice. I was. I was curious about that, because all I ever see is shots from the athletic field, which can kind of be deceiving because if you just put some tents right up near It. It could look very busy. Yeah. Be a small festival, or it can be a massive festival. Like, you just never know what is actually going on there. So. I know they advertise themselves as the largest free Highland games in the US which it is. Yeah.
Speaker B
My. Well, you know, to my limited perspective.
Speaker C
Yeah.
Speaker B
Because I haven't been across the entire country yet. I was hoping it would be the coolest experience in the Highland game so far for myself. And it 100 was.
Speaker C
Okay. You did my game the week before that, so I'm gonna try not to be. Horribly. Horribly. You're telling me my second year game at a brewery was not cooler than the Celtic Classic, the North American championship for all the pros.
Speaker B
Hey, most beautiful venue, I'll give you that.
Speaker C
Okay, look, I'll take that. At least we're not under a bridge, you know, but.
Speaker B
No, I mean, just being like, in Bethlehem. It was in the town center, like, right off Main street, and so it just draws in the crowd from basically the entire county. And then it was. It was the best athlete experience I've had in terms of just kind of professionalism. Yeah.
Speaker C
Nice. So let's. Let's maybe break this down kind of that way and put it into groups and just get your take as. As an athlete that was there as far as, like, you know, how you guys were treated pre. Actually being on the field. I mean, lodging and being taken care of and stuff like that. Would you say that it also, like, exceeded your expectations and then just tell everyone a little bit about kind of what that looked like?
Speaker B
So. Well, first, I can't really speak to the lodging because I stayed at my uncle's house, who was about 40 minutes away.
Speaker C
How many stars would you give your uncle? What are we. Oh, uncle.
Speaker B
Ten. Ten stars.
Speaker C
All right.
Speaker B
He's a gracious host.
Speaker C
But next year, if you're going to the Celtic, reach out to Graham's uncle, go from there.
Speaker B
But no, they. I was received well.
Speaker C
Okay.
Speaker B
No, we had a. They had an athlete tent for us set aside in the corner of the field that was kind of tucked away right next to the beer tent. Of course.
Speaker C
Yeah. Was it easy for you guys to get in and bring your equipment and all that stuff?
Speaker B
Yeah, they had. They had a separate or the, like, the closest parking lot that was reserved for, like, vendors, and everybody was for athletes as well. So it was very easy just commuting to the field.
Speaker C
What time did you have to be there in the morning?
Speaker B
Throwing started at 8, 10, 10am so you just show up whenever. Although Saturday morning Was a drug test. Mine was at 8am okay. Which was like five minute drive away. Off site.
Speaker C
Yeah, off site drug test. And I'm assuming they're just doing urine there, right?
Speaker B
Correct. Yeah.
Speaker C
Peanut cup and move on. Yeah.
Speaker B
My knowledge.
Speaker C
Just for. Not ness.
Speaker B
You know, not like narcotics.
Speaker C
Just for. Yeah, evs. Okay. All right, now, did everyone get drug tested as far as you know? If you don't know, you don't know. But I'm assuming is that I saw. I saw all the athletes, I saw everyone's comments. Yeah. We're going to talk about the real Celtic rankings here in a minute and what the over under is. Does Colin Dunbar also have a lot of hair?
Speaker B
No, it's multiplied by a thousand two.
Speaker C
Oh, God. All right. This went exactly where everyone thought it would very quickly, so. Well, good. All right. So you got there, you were able to get drug tested. Yours was at 8, but throwing started at 10. On Saturday you said. Nice. Love a 10 o' clock start time. That's so much nicer. And then there, correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no amateur event at the Celtic. Right. Like it is just you guys.
Speaker B
Correct.
Speaker C
So how. How is the field laid out? Like, does it feel cramped at all or is it because it doesn't look massive in the videos I've seen? But at the same time it's only your flight, so it's not like you're dancing around anyone. So I'm assuming that it feels roomy enough.
Speaker B
It is, yeah. It's. If there was.
Speaker C
Yeah.
Speaker B
If there's anything else going on on the field, it would be cramped. But it's just the class of. It was nine of us. So in terms of layout, I liked it. I mean, other. Aside from the fact it's funny that the fields like a bubble, like it rises in the middle.
Speaker C
Okay. So it's not the very friendly field in respect to where you're throwing into.
Speaker B
Yeah. But you. It's not generous in any way. Like they don't give you any opportunities to throw downhill. So it really only works against you actually because.
Speaker C
Yeah.
Speaker B
And hammers were throwing across the entirety of, you know, diagonally across the field. Which the hammers, there's. I mean, enough space for them to mark out the world record. So which they did. They would mark the world and field records for each event. We did stones and weights in the middle of the field and then height events were cool. They rolled out a. The cherry pick.
Speaker C
Right? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B
Out into the middle of the field for both sheath and long and Then another cool thing, they had divot fixers throughout the entire day. So people. So after every event, people were out there fixing the divots from the weights every throughout.
Speaker C
Yeah, they. The only other game I've been to that had something like that was Radford. At Radford, because you're in the middle of that quad, a pile of dirt there so that they can fill it in as needed. Yeah, but. Well, that's pretty cool. Yeah. Because it looks like that field is, I mean, I would assume sewn with grass relatively shortly before the game. At least what I'm looking at for this year, like looking at the field that you guys were throwing on, like, I'm. I'm assuming that they were building it up for this game, I would think, or have recently done something to it.
Speaker B
You know, the quality of the grass.
Speaker C
Yeah, yeah. Because it looks like they're fairly spaced out. Like it looks like grass seed was drilled in by a machine. Like it looks kind of spaced out.
Speaker B
Yeah. You know, but within like ample time.
Speaker C
Yeah, it doesn't look bad. I'm not saying anything negative. I'm just guessing here that like they put that in recently, you know. Yeah. Which is probably why they want to fix divots, because they probably just paid somebody an awful lot of money to drill in a bunch of fescue in the middle of some place in Pennsylvania. Well, cool. So then you guys moved on to athletics. Did you guys keep traditional order all day? Was it stones, weights, hammer, caver wob, sheaf or chief wob?
Speaker B
Well, no, because it was a two day festival.
Speaker C
Oh, that's right.
Speaker B
Yeah.
Speaker C
So you guys end up splitting some of the heavies and the lights.
Speaker B
Yeah, so we did. It was. I mean, you can split it however you want, but we did heavies Saturday and lights Sunday, so.
Speaker C
Okay.
Speaker B
Hammers, stones, weights, height, event, caber.
Speaker C
All right, so what was the first thing you guys did Saturday? Would it have been braemar stone?
Speaker B
No, we started with hammer. So heavy hand.
Speaker A
Okay.
Speaker C
So heavy hammer right off the rip on Saturday. Always feels great to start your day on heavy hammer, but didn't go that poorly for you because, I mean, you finished what, second and in heavy hammer.
Speaker B
Yeah, I. I don't mind starting the day with hammers.
Speaker C
Yeah, Well, I think that's arguably one of your better events.
Speaker B
You know, it has become one of my better events.
Speaker C
Yeah, it's definitely one of the ones that's done the most climbing over time. Because you're looking at what now 110 + heavy and a 130 + light when you're on something like that. Yeah, I. I had looked those numbers up prior to Woodridge because I was like, I want to make sure I have enough room because it was. You and John Harding have Both gone over 130 in the light hammer. And I was like, I need to make sure I'm not murdering people. Like, I just need everyone to survive.
Speaker B
Yeah. So as I. I especially liked it because of the, like, going into Celtic. Obviously. I was the first year. Nobody knows who I am. So starting out with a monster hammer throw was really cool. Way to start the weekend. Just kind of like a statement piece.
Speaker C
Yeah, that's always good when you can kind of set the tone early on. Yeah.
Speaker B
And then Damien got me by a couple inches.
Speaker C
Yeah.
Speaker B
Still super psyched about that.
Speaker C
Yeah. No, that's. That's great. So, yeah. You went hammer and then did you go to Stone? Yeah. On Saturday. Yeah.
Speaker B
Braemar.
Speaker C
All right, Braemar. How'd that end up going for you?
Speaker B
Braver. Went well. I mean, I. I have to temper my expectations coming from no throwing background, so. But I praymar like five or six times this year and I was happy to do it again. I got a one foot PR from.
Speaker C
Woodridge the week before, so. Yeah. You threw 38. Four and a half at Woodridge. So 39 and some change. Yeah. All right.
Speaker B
Which put me. Put me about the middle of the pack on that. They were. I think three or four guys went over 40. Kyle, you know, had a huge bramor, like he does. And then Aaron Castle popped a big one too.
Speaker C
Yeah. Aaron had a really good stone state, it looked like. I mean, he went over 60 in the open stone, which.
Speaker B
He had an awesome weekend. I was really. I was psyched about competing. I didn't know who he was really before, so just getting to know him over the weekend, it was fun. He was.
Speaker C
Yeah. Aaron has not been one of the louder pros over the years. You know, like he, for whatever reason, is not someone that I think the general population talks about as much, you know.
Speaker B
Well, he also lives in Sweden, so.
Speaker C
You know what? Fair enough. Makes it hard. Yeah. So. So I don't care. Sweden. But he was at the North American championship, so we should just scratch all those throws.
Speaker B
I think he said it took him 22 hours to get.
Speaker C
Jesus Christ. Yeah. Absolutely not. I mean, says the guy that'll probably never qualify for the Celtics. So what do I. What do I know? That's ridiculous. Anyway, so let's see. So then Braemar, then Did you move on to heavyweight? Yes. Okay. How'd that go for you?
Speaker B
Poorly.
Speaker C
Which was because before that, you were coming in with a PR of 42. Five, it looks like.
Speaker B
Yeah. So I. I PR. I was. You know, the past two months. Two, three months, have been consistently hitting over 40 in practice and in games. And then three days before the Tuesday before Celtic, I. Yeah, I went out practicing.
Speaker C
Yeah. When you were throwing with Nick. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker B
Try to, you know, tune up some things and took a bunch of very irresponsible, 100% effort, lightweight throws and tore a hole in my.
Speaker C
You should have had that schizophrenic homeless guy pray for you before you threw instead of after. That would have helped.
Speaker B
Yeah, that. That would have helped. Maybe.
Speaker C
Yeah, maybe that would have. That's why you knew you needed it. Yeah.
Speaker B
His prayers did not translate to Celtic.
Speaker C
Yeah, maybe. Well, I was. But you did PR something, so maybe while he was mumbling under his breath, he said something about your light hammer. And, you know, but.
Speaker B
But for reference here, random man in the community center prayed over my bleeding, callous, calloused hand.
Speaker C
Yeah. And over Nick Ponzio, for some reason. But, I mean, he probably felt that Nick needed it, which was a fair and accurate representation.
Speaker B
But anyways.
Speaker C
Yeah.
Speaker B
So heavyweight. I still managed to throw, like, a 36, just with no speed or. Or energy, really, but that was all. I. I just couldn't grip the weight with the way my hand was bleeding.
Speaker C
Did you end up putting a glove on or something, or how did that work? What's that? Did you end up throwing with a glove? Did you put a glove on your hand in order to protect the tear, or did you just.
Speaker B
But I'd imagine you asked if I tape my hand.
Speaker C
Yes.
Speaker B
Yes. Yeah, I tried taping the. Out of it, but it was just the tape was sliding underneath because.
Speaker C
Because the skin wasn't attached.
Speaker B
You know, the third layer skin doesn't have much grip to it. Oh, there you are.
Speaker C
You're back.
Speaker B
But, yeah, so heavyweight, not as I would have liked. And that was kind of when I had to mentally work through some. Some hoops because I went into Celtic with the goal of. Of hitting the podium. And after heavyweight went the way it did, my hand opened up again. I realized I was gonna have to kind of, like, get over it mentally, really, and just keep pushing through to do the best I can.
Speaker C
Yeah. Like, hey, would have been cool. Yeah. But let's. Yeah. Yeah. It's always hard to do. I mean, it. For anyone that's passionate about any athletic Endeavor like, you're gonna have days where things just don't work out quite the way you wanted and you can sit around and be defeated and have a horrible performance for the rest of the weekend, or you can kind of reframe that and try and, you know, salvage something out of it.
Speaker B
Exactly.
Speaker C
Yeah.
Speaker B
So. So I had to kind of turn around mentally and bring myself back to just, hey, figure. Figure out a way to make the rest of the weekend work. Which, luckily the only other event it really affected was lightweight after that, the next day.
Speaker C
Which you would have thrown on Sunday, right? Yes.
Speaker B
And wob, I guess, to get ahead of myself.
Speaker C
Yeah. So did you guys do sheaf on Saturday? Yes. Okay, so you did heavy hammer, Braemar stone heavyweight then, did you? Was it challenge caber Saturday, Real caber Sunday? Is that how they worked it or.
Speaker B
No, so we did.
Speaker C
Oh, okay. So. So regular caber competition on Saturday. So caber then chief.
Speaker B
Chief Caber.
Speaker C
Chief and then caber. All right, so how did chief go?
Speaker B
Chief was. Chief was all right.
Speaker C
It was tied for what, like second or third? Because you got, I think, two and a half points in that.
Speaker B
If I'm remembering right, I think I tied for second.
Speaker C
Yeah.
Speaker B
Because what was it? Everybody. We all went out at 30.
Speaker C
Say there were a couple of guys that just flat out no heighted. I think even Kyle. Yeah. Ended up winning.
Speaker B
Kyle and Aaron, no heighted. And then we went. Everybody went out at 30 except for Eric. So I got second on countbacks. And then Eric, of course, went up to 35ft, if you've seen the videos.
Speaker C
Yeah. Because he set a new field record for the Celtic with the 20. Yeah.
Speaker B
Which was outstanding.
Speaker C
Yeah. Yeah. That's always been one of Eric's better events, is the heights. So it's not surprising. Not that Eric really has bad events. I mean, he's. He's always been well rounded.
Speaker B
Yeah, he's very impressive.
Speaker C
Well, good. So then real caber, not challenge caver. How was the caber that they had you guys throw?
Speaker B
The caber itself. It was a good stick. They gave us a good caver. I mean, it was. I think that. I think it was 19ft. Hundred thirty ish. 140 something. You know, it was a good protein and. Yeah, I just, you know, still don't have that experience with the cabers. And so I got. I had one decent pull on it and I got like whatever was 60 degrees or something. 60 or 70.
Speaker C
And that was.
Speaker B
And I think only. What was it? It was Kyle Island. Eric and Aaron got Like a two o'.
Speaker C
Clock. Yeah, that sounds right.
Speaker B
Came like middle bottom of the pack on that one.
Speaker C
Okay.
Speaker B
I, you know, would love.
Speaker C
I mean, honestly, only a third of the field. Throwing it. That's a pretty. Or turning it is a pretty good argument for a national championship pro caper. I mean, that's, you know, really appropriate. Yeah.
Speaker B
So I think it was. Maybe it was a good caver for the field and for the event. Yeah.
Speaker C
Good. Heck, yeah. All right. So then that was it. You guys, what time did throwing conclude on Saturday?
Speaker B
On Saturday, I think we concluded it was pretty much to schedule, which I think around 3 o'.
Speaker C
Clock. Okay, that's pretty good. I mean, a 10 to 3 day is all things considered.
Speaker B
Yeah. And it was. I mean, breaks between events were good because they provide us with like a VIP tent with food and. And drinks.
Speaker C
So it's whenever things like sponsored by Guinness. So. Yeah. Win, win. Yeah.
Speaker B
So any of the breaks in the day were. Everything was to a timeline. It was very regimented, which was nice.
Speaker C
That's got to be really nice. Just having one flight of athletes to run through five events and that'd be. God, that sounds fantastic. New plan for Woodridge next year. I'm taking 10 athletes, but yeah, we.
Speaker B
Just need eight new sponsors and.
Speaker C
Registration piece. Yeah. Anyway. All right, cool. So then you guys, you went back to your uncles. Everyone else goes back to. I'm assuming there's a hotel or something where rooms are offered and stuff like that.
Speaker B
Yeah, they. They comped hotels for everybody. I think it was.
Speaker C
It was two or three.
Speaker B
Two or three to a room. And the hotel was like right down the street.
Speaker C
Okay, nice. That's good. All right. So then you guys back. Same starting time on Sunday. 10 o'. Clock.
Speaker B
Yeah, 10 o' clock starts Sunday.
Speaker C
All right. And then light hammer leading off the day. All right. And once again, you got to kind of open with a good tone on the day, which has got to feel good.
Speaker B
Yeah, it was nice. Another. Another statement piece.
Speaker C
How did that work? Was it back and forth? Was it close? I don't remember seeing a lot of the numbers. I mean, Damien's a good hammer thrower and Eric's a great hammer thrower. Aaron's a good hammer. You know, you've got a competitive field for hammer.
Speaker B
Yeah, it was. I mean, the heavy hammer was back and forth, but the light hammer kind of ran away with it from the beginning.
Speaker C
Nice.
Speaker B
I. I threw one. I opened with 132.
Speaker C
Okay. Which was right around the top end of what you threw that day. Right. I mean, within sniffing.
Speaker B
Yeah, my second. Yeah, second Throw is a 135.
Speaker C
That's right.
Speaker B
So, yeah, I opened pretty big. And then I think, what was it? Damien threw like 128 or 129 and I don't know. I guess, you know, I know those guys. There's a bunch of good hammer throwers in the group, but, you know, not every day's.
Speaker C
Not every day's every. And God, some people really like it. Not that I think anyone finds this podcast who hasn't done the Highland Games. If you are here and have it. I'm confused. But in all earnest. I mean, trying to be competitive across nine events all the time is nearly impossible. Have that discussion with people all the time. Like, it really is impossible. You could be a great hammer thrower, but it's just not the weekend for that. You know, your brain isn't clicking with that movement pattern and everything else goes well and your hammers go to shit or vice versa.
Speaker B
So, yeah, just ended up just being a really good day for me on Hammer.
Speaker C
There you go. Yeah. Hey, take it where you can get it, right. Yeah. Especially I haven't had a good hammer day since our backyard at Matt's at the warehouse. Like, honestly was one of my better Hammer performances all year. I haven't gotten that group back with no blade. Yeah, with no blades and thinking we weren't even gonna throw hammer. Like, the whole plan was we weren't throwing hammer. This is just a backyard or that's mostly indoors. And, yeah, it's been one of my only triple digit light hammer days the whole year. Like, I've been just throwing hammer like an idiot ever since.
Speaker B
Brain. No. Work with hammer. It's okay.
Speaker C
It really just hasn't. I've had nothing going on in my personal life that's interfered with my ability to train. So, you know, it's fine.
Speaker B
Yeah, they're two completely separate things.
Speaker C
Yeah, yeah. I'm. I just compartmentalize it all and everything's fine. It's definitely not silently festering as some sort of ulcer, but yeah. All right, so you guys went light hammer back to this and then lightweight.
Speaker B
Open stone.
Speaker C
Open stone. Okay. How to open stone, Go. Besides Aaron throwing, you know, over 60, that's a hard act to follow.
Speaker B
Like, actually, no, it was worse because he followed me, I think. I think I let off the open stone and led with 48, which I was super happy with. Great opener. And then Isaac fouled. And then. So the next actual throw the crowd saw was Aaron 60 you're like, wait a second.
Speaker C
That first guy might suck. Yeah.
Speaker B
I was like, oh my God.
Speaker C
That'S rough.
Speaker B
So yeah, that.
Speaker C
So that was funny.
Speaker B
Anyways, me, I second throw. I popped a. Finally cracked the 50 mark.
Speaker C
Okay.
Speaker B
Which I was super excited about. I was. I really wanted to. I really wanted to see a 5.
Speaker C
Next year because I think prior to that your PR was what? High 48s.
Speaker B
It was 49 that I threw in.
Speaker C
Okay. April. Okay.
Speaker B
So I hadn't really been touching any decent stone numbers until Woodridge the week before. So I just kind of. I actually got the little tip from Burger Lambert Lambrick's. I still can't say his last name.
Speaker C
Yeah. But we can say Burger. So that's.
Speaker B
I finally got the tip from Burger to put a 1 inch spike in my shot put shoes.
Speaker C
Yeah.
Speaker B
And use those outdoors on grass and those have my stones kind of clicking a little more. So. Yeah. Super happy to hit 50 and the season with. On a high note there with stones which.
Speaker C
Yeah.
Speaker B
One foot PR from. From back in April. And I think I came around. I think that got me around the middle of the pack.
Speaker C
Yeah.
Speaker B
Like fifth or sixth good stone at kelp. I think there were four other guys over 50.
Speaker C
Yeah. You probably got a lot of guys going low to mid-50s. Pretty handily in there.
Speaker B
Yeah, mostly low. I think nobody went over. I think Kyle threw like a 54.
Speaker C
Okay.
Speaker B
But yeah, because yeah, Aaron won by like six feet.
Speaker C
Okay. Yeah. Well that's gotta feel nice. So. All right, cool. So then. Then on to lightweight. How did the hand hold up for that when you got around?
Speaker B
So I tried to use John Harding. He lent me his. His leather glove for that. So I tried that out. You know, I haven't thrown with a glove since like in over a year.
Speaker C
Yeah, it was.
Speaker B
My timing was all over the place and.
Speaker C
Yeah. I just never feel connected when I put a glove on. Just something about that. I. It. I feel like I have to over tense because I can't feel it in my hand the same way and everything just goes wonky.
Speaker B
Yeah, it's. Yeah, same with me. No, there's no like connection between you and the weight. So I managed a 70 or 71 and then I. I got a decent throw on my last attempt because I switched around my footing a little. Just so happened to backline fell.
Speaker C
Yeah. I mean nothing now. So spoiler alert, it's over. You can wait till next year.
Speaker B
It's Tuesday.
Speaker C
This game was four. No. All right, so let's see then lightweight, then challenge, caber or wob? Would you guys go to after that? Wob. Okay.
Speaker B
Yeah, we rolled right Saturday. Sunday was kind of nice. We did three events in the morning, back to back to back. And then long lunch break. Nice. Just getting the shade and then we hit WOB and challenge caber. Oh, wob was cool. They rolled the, you know, they rolled the cherry picker out in the middle of the field.
Speaker C
Did you guys open at 15? Was that opening height 14. 14. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker B
So open at 14. And I again went with the glove because that was really my only way to grip the implement. And same as lightweight. My timing was all off. Didn't. Wasn't connected to the weight. Ended up.
Speaker C
I feel like that was one of the ones that I was watching. I, I feel like I saw and it could have just been because again I only watched for a few minutes at I think 15ft. A lot of guys were leaving it out front on their first pulls.
Speaker B
Yeah.
Speaker C
Like I, I don't know. I was curious as to what the reasoning. If there was a universal reasoning or if it was just a day that was like that.
Speaker B
You know, I don't think there was a universal reasoning. We were just using a standard, you know, ring handle on a 56 and it was.
Speaker C
Yeah.
Speaker B
No real, I don't think external reasons, just everybody was leaving a lot of them out in front.
Speaker C
It was just going to be like that, right?
Speaker B
Yeah. It was kind of the same with Chief. I don't think anybody necessarily had an awesome day with height events on.
Speaker C
Yeah. Yeah. For a whole field of guys that are like you have a lot of competitive she throwers for a lot of people to go out at 30. Yeah. With a 20 pound bag. Yeah.
Speaker B
With that field that we see like three or four.
Speaker C
Yeah. A handful of 34s, you know, would have been more of where if I was going to put money on it, I just said hey, probably three to four guys still in at 34. And then you're going to start to see everyone really drop off. But especially on a two day game, you know where you're spaced out, you're relatively recovered. But yeah, here's what it is. Yeah.
Speaker B
Yeah. Height events. Yeah. Didn't seem like anybody was really on with with that but I mean Aaron had a great day with the. With wob.
Speaker C
Yeah.
Speaker B
Warner took second.
Speaker C
Yeah, I was, I was very pleasantly. Every time I'd look, Aaron was having a bang up day. So that's good.
Speaker B
All right, so then from there to challenge caber.
Speaker C
What's the deal with their challenge caber? Is it just for crowd enjoyment? Is there cash on the line for turns? How does it was.
Speaker B
Yeah, it was cash on the line. I forget what the cash breakdown was but basically if you took an attempt you got paid and then if you. I think in the top five got more in ascending order. Yeah but you know, I'd imagine it's for crowd enjoyment. It's. It wasn't any really easier caber. I think we had the same amount of guys turn was like a couple feet longer and a couple pounds lighter. So equally as challenging but still a big crowd there. Definitely a bigger crowd on the first day on Saturday. I imagine more people were out watching football.
Speaker C
Yeah, I think that's just typical of most games. You know, Saturday is almost always going to be your. Your big day, but still huge.
Speaker B
Still huge crowd on Sunday afternoon. That kind of challenge gamer turned. Turned my weekend around a little bit. It was. I was. I was a little down in the dumps on because of the weights performances and not turning the caber they did before. So I. I managed to get one decent pull on the challenge caver and. And it went over. Got a 1230 and I was. I was pretty psyched.
Speaker C
There you go. End on a high note. Put a little extra travel money in your pocket. That's never. Yeah. Never a bad day. I've heard. I don't know but I would assume. But. All right. Well good. All right. And then overall came in what, fifth in the overalls, remember right out of. So they had nine guys show up. Who would have been. Would it have been Nick aston as the 10th? Yes, because I think it's typically the top 10 guys. I know Nick. You know what? I don't want to speculate and put words in anyone's mouth. It could have been a travel thing. It could have been an injury thing. I don't know. He said.
Speaker B
Well, no, there was. I mean I don't. Yeah, same here.
Speaker C
I don't want to. Yeah, I haven't reached out to Nick so I don't want to sit here and say, oh, I think this when I don't.
Speaker B
Yeah, I know there was one other. There was one other person that I think they've. I think they're retired already so they decided not to come. And then I know Nick was having his. Having his baby soon.
Speaker C
Yeah.
Speaker B
So that was. I think that was his reasoning.
Speaker C
You want to have a baby in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania at the Celtic Crazy. Have the baby sponsored by Guinness for the rest of its life. Just free drinks for forever. That'd be pretty dope but all right, well, cool. So what. So overall impressions, you kind of already talked about it as being one of the cooler athlete experiences you've had so far. Anything else, like just in talking about the Celtic that you would want people. People to know or things that you just want to yap about?
Speaker B
I mean, you know, other things I enjoyed. I mean, it's. I got a lot of family in the Philadelphia Jersey area, so it was really nice that my family got to come out. Thanks a lot of like extended family. My 93 year old grandma came out. She had a. She had a freaking blast.
Speaker C
Yeah.
Speaker B
And how was the weather up there?
Speaker C
Was it. I mean, it looked pleasant. Yeah.
Speaker B
Pretty good from all accounts. We got really lucky. Apparently the weather there is often bad around the Celtic, so we got really lucky with two sunny days and rain a couple days before. So got the field nice and nice and nice and prepped. Nice and good for hammer blades.
Speaker C
Yeah. But, yeah, it was everyone's complaint about Woodridge was the ground for hammer blades. And I was like, yeah, what.
Speaker B
What do you.
Speaker C
What do you.
Speaker B
Maybe next year it'll be better.
Speaker C
I. Look, I'll put some ice out next year, but honestly, like, that clay, just. If it's not saturated well in advance, like, I. It's nothing. I can really. Yeah.
Speaker B
You know, you just. You make it work.
Speaker C
Yeah. Yeah. We're all throwing on the same ground, so. Yeah, everybody.
Speaker B
Yeah, everybody's got the same problem. You just make it work for you.
Speaker C
Exactly.
Speaker B
Which was funny actually, with that clay. Clay. Ish. Ground. I was. I was just waiting until somebody else made a decent hole and I just use theirs.
Speaker C
That's what you have to end up doing is. Is whenever the ground is worked really hard with that, there will come a point when everyone has dug their toes in enough to where you're basically getting the whole front third of your boot into the ground, not just the blade. Yeah. And then you can kind of work it a little. But until that second round or so when you actually do get one that's stuck in there good enough. It. It is rough, but, God, there's a point.
Speaker B
That was a nice thing. Celtic is that after each round of hammer throws, they moved the trig back a couple.
Speaker C
Oh, nice.
Speaker B
A foot or two so that it gave us a whole new patch, a.
Speaker C
Whole new section of dirt to knock up. Love that.
Speaker B
Exactly.
Speaker C
Yeah.
Speaker B
Yep.
Speaker C
Oh, cool, man. What do you got going on for the rest of your season? Is anything else on the calendar right now or are you in off season?
Speaker B
No, that's. That Was pretty much it. I was. My last two big ones for the year were Woodridge and Celtic, which really happy to finish on. On those notes. Woodridge was awesome as a. As a games and sweet for myself, and then Celtic as well and pretty happy. Rolling into the off season now. I. I'm gonna try and make it to Radford just as. I think we're just doing pro demos there.
Speaker C
Yeah, I know. I think Nick's trying to demo up there. I don't know if Matt is, but. Yeah.
Speaker B
But aside from that, no, nothing else on the calendar. I've. It's been. Which is nice. It was a. It was a hectic summer. Ton of travel. You know, went all the way out to Costa Mesa, up and down the coast, over to Scotland, and. Yeah. Pretty tuckered out from traveling, so.
Speaker C
Yeah, I mean, you did kind of go everywhere. Is there anything you're gonna try and do next year differently than this year? Like, do you have anything sort of in the works that you're gonna try? I mean, you did Scotland, you did the west coast. I don't. You. You've checked a lot of the boxes that a lot of guys try and check. So.
Speaker B
Yeah, next year I. I would really like to do some more of the. The big shows that happen in like, August, September, timeline. So, like the ones out west, Pleasanton, Estes. What's the other Newman Claw.
Speaker C
Yeah. Yes. Yeah.
Speaker B
So I'm gonna reach out. I'm gonna reach out to the folks out there and then love to do Celtic again. I know Josh is working on no fame, home games for next year. I don't know if I'm gonna make home games next year because my. The whole first half of the year, I'm on deployment.
Speaker C
All right, well, as long as you're back before Woodridge so you can defend your title, then. Good deal. Yeah.
Speaker B
I mean, there's still plenty of games towards the end of the summer and fall.
Speaker C
Yeah. Yeah. No, you'll have plenty of options, but.
Speaker A
I. I totally get being traveled out.
Speaker C
I didn't even go to Scotland this year and I'm still exhausted, so.
Speaker B
Yeah. So looking forward to having a nice kind of relaxing fall in terms of travel. I'll still be. I'll still be all over the place here at home. I got tons of projects. I'm working on doing a building, a. A walk in closet for our. Our bedroom. And actually this week, I'm working on getting a practice caber for the office.
Speaker C
Okay.
Speaker B
That's my. That's my big goal for. Cool. What was I Saying, oh, yeah, Practice caber. So my big focus points this off season are caber and stones. So I'm gonna be. In terms of stones, I'm gonna be working with Ponzio and then in with Caber, getting ahead of the off season. And I went ahead and cut down tree yesterday, and I'm gonna work on getting it to the house this week so I can clean it up and then.
Speaker A
Nice.
Speaker B
Start throwing with it in the next next couple weeks.
Speaker C
Heck, yeah. All right, well, that's a.
Speaker A
That's a good thing to.
Speaker C
To work on, especially.
Speaker A
I mean, if you keep moving up and especially at the speed of which you did, you keep running across increasingly tough capers, you know, like, it's. It's happened to me on a slower scale, but, like, it definitely does. And so we getting up into the pros and then going to games like the Celtic and seeking out more competitive things, you're just gonna keep running into harder and harder sticks.
Speaker C
So.
Speaker B
Not to mention that it's like the most depressing event when you're bad at it.
Speaker C
God.
Speaker A
It's just that when someone else turns it and then you whip out a 55 degree, you just want to just off yourself in the middle of the field.
Speaker C
You just wish. Yeah.
Speaker B
You wish the cable landed on your head.
Speaker C
Yeah.
Speaker B
Yeah.
Speaker A
I'm trying to run underneath of it and lay down really fast because it's just embarrassing.
Speaker C
Yeah.
Speaker B
So I. I want to.
Speaker C
Yeah.
Speaker B
Get ahead of that because obviously that's like, the least practiced event across for everybody, so. Yeah, it's. And it's the one event that I don't practice. Like, I. I got towards the end of the season, I started practicing wob and Chief Morris. I built myself a. A high standard.
Speaker C
Yeah.
Speaker A
I honestly don't think I practiced caber at all this year. And, I mean, I maybe practiced wob at the beginning of the season.
Speaker C
Yeah.
Speaker A
Yeah.
Speaker B
I mean, there are things that. Yeah, they're. It's like anything else. Like, if it's harder to practice, you're gonna do it less, so you gotta, like, find ways to make it more efficient to practice.
Speaker A
I also just. I refused to have the terrible, lightweight year I had had for the last six years of the Highland Games. I was like, I. I need to fix my lightweights. I'm gonna just put everything else aside.
Speaker C
And try and suck less. Yeah. Oh, God. But anyway. All right.
Speaker A
People can find you on what, Instagram at Big Gramothy.
Speaker C
Right. And we've tagged you in, Gramothy. Tons of stuff.
Speaker B
And then on YouTube, my smoking and throwing account.
Speaker C
Yeah.
Speaker B
Putting out weekly videos of me. Yeah, it's getting weekly. Getting. Yeah. Videos of me smoking different meats on the green egg and throwing different implements.
Speaker C
Green egg can't hide money, man. Good for you.
Speaker B
Hey, that's that same uncle we mentioned earlier.
Speaker C
Yeah, I gotta give me one of those uncles, dude.
Speaker B
I moved. I moved to Virginia and my uncle said he was getting rid of his green egg. I immediately. Six hours up the coast.
Speaker C
Yeah, done.
Speaker B
I'll take it.
Speaker C
Yeah.
Speaker A
I don't know how I'm going to load this ceramic giant egg into my car, but we're going to figure it out and take it.
Speaker C
Yeah.
Speaker A
In a heartbeat.
Speaker B
But, yeah, Instagram, YouTube, Facebook, any. Anything.
Speaker C
Yeah, it's awesome, man. Well, sweet. And.
Speaker A
And then you're located kind of in the what, nor is area, right?
Speaker B
Yes.
Speaker A
I've had some people reach out that are kind of out that way, and they're like, is there anyone to practice with? And I'm like, I think Graham is the only person I know of who even owns implements down there.
Speaker B
Yeah, I mean, I. Yeah, anybody who's in the region, reach out. I've got all the implements. I. I even started the Norfolk Throwers Club on Facebook and nobody joined.
Speaker A
Okay, well, after this, you'll have threes of recruits, sir.
Speaker C
This is really gonna skyrocket you into.
Speaker A
A level of fame you're not ready for.
Speaker B
Oh. So.
Speaker C
Yeah, but. All right, well, awesome.
Speaker A
Well, thanks for coming on, buddy. Was there anything else at all that you wanted to do or say?
Speaker B
Hey, dad. No, he said he's gonna be listening to us.
Speaker C
Oh.
Speaker A
All right, good. We'll hide Graham's dead.
Speaker C
Anybody else?
Speaker A
I appreciate you go buy something from the sponsors that I'm gonna edit into the front of this.
Speaker B
Yeah. Get yourself a Going Rogue shirt.
Speaker C
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker A
God, no. I'm tired of making shirts. Don't anyone ask me about a shirt for the rest of.
Speaker B
Yeah, Flip flop back to don't work the year.
Speaker A
No, look, I will eventually do more, but. Oh, my God, I'm so tired. I got. I've gotten out, like, half of the pre orders that I made and I still have to go ship the other half because, yeah, Woodridge took up way more of my mental capacity than I.
Speaker C
Expected it to, so.
Speaker B
Well, hey, support the podcast. Support heavy athlete. You know, support no fame games.
Speaker A
Yeah, do all the things.
Speaker C
Support.
Speaker A
Honestly, anyone is better than supporting nothing, so.
Speaker B
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Speaker C
All right, well, in that case, we'll.
Speaker A
Go out on that note, buddy.
Speaker C
So good.
Speaker B
All right.
Speaker A
Thanks for coming on, Bob.
Speaker B
Peace. Thanks for having me.
Speaker A
Later.
Speaker B
Stay.