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MLB Shake-Up: The Latest Managerial Moves You Need to Know!
In this episode of the Arsenal Baseball Offseason Show, Carl and Clemer dive into the recent managerial shake-ups in Major League Baseball, including the surprising hiring of Craig Counsell by the Cub...
MLB Shake-Up: The Latest Managerial Moves You Need to Know!
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Good morning, good afternoon and evening baseball fans. Welcome back to the
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Arsenal baseball offseason show. This is Carl. I'm joined by Clemer. This is our first offseason show.
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We've got a ton to talk about. Chris, it's good to see you. Yes, we do. Yes.
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Offseason is here. It's always exciting and fun. But see this time it starts to die down
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like February. It gets kind of lame and boring. But yeah, November, December, pretty awesome,
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typically. Yeah, this is our first, uh, this is our first recording session from
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the new bar, Soul Chicago office. So I should say off the top, the place is incredible. Like,
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whatever you've seen, whatever the social media aspect coverage has been, it's like so underwhelming.
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It's like going to hockey game and watching a hockey game on TV. Walking in here just,
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it's, it's incredible. And I won't be able to say that enough. So whoever,
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whoever designed this place, not built it, designed it. Uh, you're like the best at your
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fucking job. We just played dodgeball for like two hours today. And there's like a golf simulator going.
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When are you coming out here? Uh, I don't know. Uh, but I will say I thought for a second.
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It's something exciting news in the York office. Um, uh, in the bathroom, I'd go out for a second.
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The urinal is fixed, but it's not. It's still broken. So yeah, you guys have two
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double core. I just registered that as like a formal complaint right here right now. No. No,
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I enjoy our broken urinal. It's fun. Yeah. It's a little character. I mean, yeah, you guys have
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dodgeball chords and basketball chords and golf simulators. We have character. We have chips
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you know, broken out of the four here. We have broken urinals. So we, you know,
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hope we make effort with a little grit. You know, we don't have the fan C situation. You guys have
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we go to get to know, we got to get a tough out of it here. We like that when you're
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we're going to need a nice office for when Craig council comes to business.
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Having for Betty got the match job and he had to go to that shittle. Yeah. Yeah,
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you guys still and everything for us, huh? What next? Did you really put that in Chicago?
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Did you were you more surprised with Carlos Mendoza's higher by the match or
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I cried council to the Cubs? I guess Craig council the Cubs really blindsided me. Mendoza was rumored.
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But he had interviewed. I didn't expect it to be a possibility. I assumed because
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Steve Cohen had spoken before how he thinks the match are not like on the job training.
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He's often said, especially when he had buck here, that it was a kind of job where you had to have
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experience before coming over here. And then he hired someone who doesn't have any managerial
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experience. So I don't really that was very bizarre. But the council to Chicago, I just completely
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blindsided me. I had no idea. And it was a cool like 45 minutes where I think Jeff pass in
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tweet that council's not going to mess. He's going to somebody that already has a manager.
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And then your brain starts to swirl. I had never experienced that in 40 years of professional sports
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fandom. You were on the hunt. Who did you think it was? My first guess and obviously,
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you know, it's good to live here. But I'm like, could it be the Yankees? Like with this, you know,
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Aaron Boone has been, you know, but I know they love him. But like I did not have it you. Do you
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think it was? Did you think the Cubs were a possibility? No, I don't not at all. Not no desperate.
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And I'm really pumped to get into that because this will be my first extended conversation with
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the baseball guy about it. That's been recorded because it's been it's the biggest talking point
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by far. We had the barstle invitation last night, obviously in Chicago, the college basketball
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tournament. And literally all anybody wanted to talk about was Craig council for David Ross.
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It was unlike any other talking point I've experienced in this job before being out, you know,
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comparables would be like, oh, what do you think in Mitch this week? Or do you think that bears
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are going to win? Or every single person wanted to talk about Craig council for David Ross. And
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that's unique from my perspective. There's let's set the stage for a second. There's eight
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managerial changes this year. That's way more than normal, right? It is it isn't. I mean, we talked
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about this a little bit in our show a couple months ago. And I had said there hasn't been a single
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manager fired all season. I know Gabe Kaeper got let go with a couple of games left, but there
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wasn't a manager fired really mid season. So when that happens typically, you see a lot of changes
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in the off season. And that's what we got. Okay. So off season, it's a big number, but for total
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number of managerial turnover or whatever it's not as crazy. Okay. Yeah. Three of them are still open.
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Hodges, Brewers and Astros. The five that have been filled are giants, cubs, take it away for me.
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Angels, Metz, we're forgetting one. Okay. So how would you like to go about these eight managerial
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changes? Oh, whatever you want to do. We can talk about them individually. If you want, I mean,
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I like we're talking to start the angels because it's the most ridiculous. If you want the most insane
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Ron Washington back in the dugout. Ron Washington. The love baseball man got busted with some
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cocaine and the Texas Rangers organization. Yeah. Like 2009, I believe probably can probably
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like the best in field coach of all time. Now, why do you say it's that ridiculous because the
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angels are just a pile of shit. Well, angels are such a mess of franchise. I mean, this has been,
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you know, this has been ongoing struggle for them. I talked with Smitty and it's not the only one
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to bring it up. But the angels is such a train wreck that they need to start over, obviously. And
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Nick Hestiano was was rumored to be on the trading block today. It's been kind of a rumor. And
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Smitty and a couple of people that saw from Philadelphia were like, what if we did a trade for trout?
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It's like that would make a lot of sense for both teams, honestly. It would get the angels out of
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that long term contract with trout while still having like a major league power hitter there.
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And then trout wouldn't have to be the guy in Philadelphia. So if he does get hurt, does have these
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injuries come up. It's not like it's destroying the entire franchise. I mean, the fillings would be
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viably up, Mike trout for, you know, for 40 games, right? So what's the package? Mike trout for
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cast a auto straight up? I mean, I was just, you know, that was just kind of the talking point.
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Obviously, some money might need to be, you know, changing hands there. Yadda, yadda, yadda. I guess
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the other reason we're on Washington is he's going to be 72 years old next year. So it's just like,
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what are we doing? I can't be the angels. Like, what are we doing? What are you doing? I can't
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understand why the angels would want to do it. I don't understand why Ron Washington wants to do it.
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I think they're hitting the race. If they're hitting the reset button, Ron Washington's a good guy to
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have in the clubhouse, right? If they have to go through this, if you're, we're talking about
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trading trout and starting from scratch, like before you can even like build something up,
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you have to like completely burn it down. I think Ron Washington would be like a good guy for
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that transition period. They probably pay him handsomely. He's probably realistic about what he'd
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be getting himself into. And he's probably bored with the braves. He's probably got great
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relationships with those guys, I guess. You know, and I would imagine he's done enough for those
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guys and he takes a look at the braves and is like, you know what? I wouldn't mind having my own
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thing again. How old is Brian? How old is Brian Snicker? He's 62 63. He's younger than Washington.
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I mean, everyone's younger than Washington. I mean, like, what are we doing? Okay, so he gets
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his own thing. You make like he's not getting a Porsche. He's getting a 1982 Ford Tories. That
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is three wheels. Like, I don't, I don't really like your own thing kind of sucks. Yeah, but he's a
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baseball guy. It isn't big like that. Nothing. Ron, I don't know that the sense of confidence and,
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you know, we're going to play hard. We're going to play together. Anything can happen. I think
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that is much more how Ron Washington is. And I think it's a good opportunity for the front office
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to reset and figure out because they're going to have to got that organization. If we're talking
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about trade, a truck, and I agree with you, that would be awesome if he got if he went to the
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Phillies. If my truck got traded to the Phillies, he would love to, by the way, I'm sure he's
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yeah, angling and pushing for that. I don't know. I'm just trying to think of any way. The
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angels has never made sense to me as a franchise. And now they, you know, we talk about resetting. This
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isn't, you know, for them to reset is going to need some issues. They don't have a farm system.
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Yeah, Marino needs a cell. Like, though, when I said reset, like that whole thing needs to get torn
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down. But yeah, why would anyone, I guess you're like, why would Ron Washington want to do? Why
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would anyone want to be involved with this? This whole thing is toxic. I don't really, I don't know.
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The angels are such a mess. Like, they're such, they're in such a, I can't think. I'm sure I'm
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forgetting someone. I can't think of a team in worst shape, a franchise in worst shape in the
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angels right now. The only thing that comp I have is the expose for two years. They were owned by
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majorly baseball. They didn't have an owner. And that was complete chaos. Like Omar Maniah was the
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GM and like, no one knew what to do. No one knew what their budget was. It was just a complete,
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they were in total purgatory. Other than that, I can't think of a franchise as a worse shape right now
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than the angel friend that I've ever seen. How can you put them? How can you put them behind the
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athletics? The athletics have a plan. It's not a plan I agree with. It's not a plan I like. But
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they're going to move to Las Vegas and they will spend some money and their fans will come out. There
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is a there's a light at the end of tunnel. Unfortunately, not for people in Oakland. They got fucked.
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But there is for that franchise, there is a plan. I'm curious to hear what the angels plan is because I
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don't know. You know, I'm sick and tired of people complaining about this Oakland athletics move
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to Vegas. I get obviously sucks at the ball clubs leaving. But is it 30 like is an adult male?
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As like as I'm getting older is a South 30s mid 30s late 30s looking into the rest of my life. If
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the Cubs left Chicago and they had to go to one place like talking about a trip to Vegas every year.
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Not too bad. That's not fair. You don't mean. You can't watch it. Yeah, absolutely.
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You can't watch a team. You're a senior ticket holder. If you're someone that loves a team.
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You're someone who has like a baby or something. You're like, I want my baby to be a fan of this team.
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Like it's generation. It's been there since 1968. That's tough. Yeah, no, I was that's pure.
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I don't know. Parody said I wasn't serious at all about that. But I do would like a trip to Vegas to see the A's.
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It sounds like a nice time. Like I mean, it's he plays the A's in Vegas. That should be a good time. That sounds awesome. I'll definitely do that.
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I mean, it is where it is. I mean, it is where it is. The A's, you know,
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I don't agree with what they did. It's not great. The whole thing is kind of messed with as a plan. There's no plan for the angels.
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They did a winnow thing. They still had a losing record. Like I don't know what we're doing.
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I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's can you at least say good luck to round Washington?
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I will. I like that guy a lot. I love that he's in the dugout. I think it's great that he has influence over, you know,
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another crop with like young major leaders that are coming up. He's sweet dude. Everybody works with enjoys working with him.
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Every infielder. I shouldn't say every infielder, but he's great with infielders. All is infielders. Yeah, good luck, man. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Good luck.
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Sure. He doesn't see any bad guy. I don't fucking respect round Washington. Do you?
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Um, I don't think he's a good, good manager.
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All right. I think he's a good coach.
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You can be a good coach and a bad manager. I would say bad. He brought the ranges to world series. So I'm not going to say he's bad. I don't
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think he's particularly good. I think there's like a new launch there. I also think like he hasn't managed to know what I know he's been in baseball,
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but he hasn't managed in a long time. I always wonder about that when he's especially these guys getting really old. I don't know. I just don't, I don't really get the higher. I probably
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used to the higher. I try to hire a young guy that, you know, like, I don't know. I think I hired someone young and have the manager grow with the team as they get better.
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Higher this weird band-aid for two years, three years. I don't know how long Washington's going to be able to manage. It just seems strange to me. But I don't know. I don't know. The whole thing's a mess.
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I'll say it again. Good luck to around Washington. Sure. Good luck to him on Washington. I don't know what that means, but sure.
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It means I hope that it's a good experience. He's leaving the Atlanta Brazler, winning an 100 fucking games of eerie. He's going to the playoffs. He's
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life's probably awesome. You win every single series. There's no stress and pressure. You coach third base and you work with
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Austin Riley and Maddleson and Ozzie LVs. Like, that's a great job. Yeah.
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Fucking awesome job. And he's walking away from it into a shit storm that I guess.
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Obviously is like, is it shit storm? So that's why I'm saying good luck to him. Yeah.
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Okay. Astros jobs still open. That's just dusty bakery turds. We don't have to spend too much time on that. I don't think they're going to hire.
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I would be stunned if they
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spent more than a couple, you know, like two million bucks on a manager. So I agree, but I guess it's okay. So I think I agree with you.
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But here's the thing that I thought would have happened by now. I thought a to be a plan in place. And be I kind of
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about you see me be like Joe with spotted just like, all right. Dusty steps down a week later. Joe with spot is our guy.
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That didn't happen. So I don't know what they're going to do.
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Why did you think they were going to do that? Jim Crane doesn't do shit like that.
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Oh, I guess not. Maybe, uh, maybe not. I guess you're right. I don't know. I guess because a spot has been
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named as a candidate for so long by so many teams. I assumed obviously erroneously that that was kind of the idea.
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It was like Dusty Baker is another old guy that's there for a winning franchise and he's all going to be
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able to do it for so long. And then they have kind of the heir apparent right there. But I guess that might not be the plan. I don't know.
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I was surprised by that as well. This is my least intriguing manager vacancy.
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Like whoever gets the Astros job. I'm not really. Oh, I disagree.
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Well, that clubhouse is going to manage itself that you're walking into a clubhouse that needs very little managing.
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Maybe I, but it's a team that's going to like, you know, I've wrote a blog. I think the Astros dynasty is over.
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And I do sort of believe that like that. I do believe that it's over as far as them like winning World Series.
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But I still going to be competitive next year where I get team like the brewers. They're going to be really bad next year.
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The games are bad. So whoever the manager of the Astros pick, I think is going to have a lot more
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importance next year than the other teams we're talking about.
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Okay, you're right. Maybe the Angels isn't. Isn't that shit? Is it that sexy to pick? The brewer's storyline is awesome.
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The brewer's storyline is insane. I want to spend some time on this. Yeah, very strange.
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Let's talk about the brewers in the cups. Okay.
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I would love to see the brewer sign David Ross. Yeah.
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Yeah. Now I know how he's a allegedly extremely competitive.
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I would imagine he's not taking this very well. If we're all surprised, how surprised do you think he was?
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So I would have, the only thing with maybe he, maybe he got some inkling that he could be in trouble that we didn't know.
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I don't know. I don't know how surprised he was. I don't know.
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He seemed that he was surprised though. I have a question, Carl. So typically it's been kind of known
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as unwritten rule that if you're a manager, you never apply for a job or you never interview for a job
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that somebody's already sitting in. It's kind of a mutual respect kind of thing. It's been,
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it's every sport has this. It's kind of like an unwritten rule. You just don't, don't do that
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because you wouldn't want to done to you. So the fact that council did that, you know, behind Ross
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is back like that. That's pretty crazy. That's pretty sinister. It kind of is.
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He might not have that much respect for David Ross as a manager.
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And he might have seen it. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, it's more than a manager. That's the guy's
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livelihood. That's a human being. They played against each other. They were writing that same
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error together. They would have come up around college era together. I want to say they're almost
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around the same age. I can't put together a good take on like the mechanics of council interviewing
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for it while David Ross had the job. It sounds like it's the only job council would have left
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Milwaukee for. He had a five year, $25 million offer or $27 million offer from Brewers.
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He ended up getting a five year, $40 million contract from the Cubs. And the story was
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that was the place he wanted to go. He's got the four young kids. Yeah. You know, the New York
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didn't really make sense unless they were really going to unload the paycheck. And David Stern's
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press conference struck me, struck me that he wanted a break from council. And he wanted more
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insight into what was going on in the clubhouse and how players were feeling. And he just wanted,
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share with me. And I think council is not a guy who wants to have that level of transparency
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with the front office. And it's something David Stern wants. And so maybe there was more
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intentionality there to not have council manage the mess. I completely agree with you, Carl.
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David's, look, if the mess wanted council, they got them. They could have offered them 10 years,
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$100 million. The money is irrelevant to Cohen. The fact that we win them was such a well offer,
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almost like, we kind of try just to say they tried it. Like almost like putting this like really
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a whole ball off or like knowing they were going to get the guy. And that's a blind spot for me.
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I assume stupidly that Stern's was coming. So we get councils like, well, no, this is Stern's
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chance to actually kind of like run their franchise. And I keep forgetting because I am old that in
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2023 baseball, the manager has less than less power than ever before, right? And the GMs are
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running the show. And the guys are, you know, they're sending in the lineups. And I think the
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Vistering saw this is his chance to really put a real fingerprint on the entire organization,
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not just the player personnel moves. And I, that's something I probably should have saw coming.
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And I mean, we also saw coming. And that's exactly what happened. That's why you hire a guy like
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Ben Doza, who was just happy to get the job where you can completely tell him, listen, you're not
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going to have to say over anything except for what I tell you have say over it. And that's what
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you're getting. And that's what Stern's weren't all along. And I was, I was blindsided.
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And that's not to say it's a good thing or a bad thing at this point. It could be a great thing
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at the end of the day. David Sterns could be way better at this than with more control that he
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could. That's a possibility. Yeah, right. It could go the other way too. And it could be average. We
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just, I don't think it's fair to judge what the meta, like I don't think it's fair to judge
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the meta negatively for hiring Carlos Mendoza because we just haven't seen him manage yet.
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Now, if you want to say it's like a typical, you'd rather see someone who's more seasoned.
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That's fine. But like as far as saying Carlos Mendoza is or isn't a good big league manager,
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like he isn't, we haven't seen him yet. And David Sterns could be awesome with this type of
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partnership. It could go south too. But like I would, I would be as optimistic as possible because
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that's that's on the table. Like that's an opera. It's it is relatively realistic that David Sterns is
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like still getting better at this job. I know one thing about Carlos Mendoza and that is before
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and Hubstone, before every game he goes and sprays 40 sunflower seeds in the field in honor of
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the 40 man roster. I find this to be such a weird, hard-o move. It's like, this is what we're
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what? That's so weird. I'm just like, I don't know man. Like I would like, but at the end of the day,
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though, how much influence and power is Carlos Mendoza going to have? And look, I understand I'm
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sure a lot of people listen to this and myself to some degree is like, I like the old way when like
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there was more to find. It's easier as a fan too. It's like, all right, the GM handles the player
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person on moves. The manager handles the clubhouse. That way you can kind of like know who to play
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or who to give credit for as a fan. It's just what we know we grew up with. And I think people
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kind of gravity that naturally because we all have bosses and we all know it wants to be micromanaged.
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So we all kind of like understand that and go into it. But who are we to say necessarily that this
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is a bad, like you said, is a bad move. Maybe having Sterns a very bright guy holds all the cards.
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Is it a good thing for the match? That I don't know. I don't know. Find out. Yep. We know Buck
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Shoelalter who is like the complete opposite of the Carlos Mendoza. That didn't go particularly
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well. So no, and it was welcome for you. The first year was great. The second year guys didn't
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really give it shit. I think guys knew the guys in that clubhouse knew that it's 2023 baseball. And
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the manager has no power and guys like Jeff McNeil and I'll single him out because Tommy FAM
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fucking sure did were take were lazy and taking the easy way out. You know, in case people missed it
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back in August, Tommy FAM said that when door tried hard, Alonzo tried hard and I'm forgetting
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someone, Nimo, he said, but the other position players didn't give a shit. Well, you're giving
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me out the last year batting title. That's not an accident. I know there's been a lot of under the
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radar stuff that it feels not popular in the clubhouse. So, you know, you have some of these guys.
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Maybe saw Shoelalter was powerless and were able to kind of like fuck this guy where I don't
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feel poor that shit with David Stern's down much more involved. We'll see. Is McNeil,
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California guy? I don't know. I'm terrible at stuff like that. Okay. Does California guy not
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to like, you know, generalize and stereotype baseball players and hurt their feelings, but
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like Kelly guys really typically generally speaking don't go as hard. Like Alonzo is a Florida guy.
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He flew that guy plays baseball very hard. He just eats fastballs for breakfast and all I
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want to do is T work and get better. Like McNeil, select back hair, a little bit of a cocksucker
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attitude. And I mean that in a positive way, like the way a scout would say it on a baseball field.
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Like he plays, he plays the game hard. Yeah, he does. And his credit, he didn't miss many games
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this year due to injury. So you got to, you got to give him credit for that. But yeah, I
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I meant to say like it bats, like his hits, bats are hard. It isn't give us a bats way. But
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then I guess why do they call him lazy? Then he just doesn't mean that's just tough when you
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have kind of like one guy, 20 fingers. And we don't know a fan by some ulterior motive.
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The same about fan that, that you know, isn't, isn't what likes, but I don't know. I mean, who knows?
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I don't know. We can, you know, read between the lines, but I have heard nothing about McNeil. It's
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strikes me as odd. So Carlos Mendoza, would you say you'd rather have Steven Voight from the Guardians?
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He just got hired by the Guardians first year manager. Two first year managers. Would you rather
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have a Voight former player, beloved catcher, kind of grinder, gritty, weird guy or
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I don't know. That's where I'm kind of like those are who are their first.
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No, I mean, it's rare. Right. Like what kind of first year manager do you want? Do you want
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the guy that's got the coaching tree? So then we're talking like a buck show alter back
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the day. Like he didn't, he never played a major league game. Carlos Mendoza, you know, you have
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those guys already want someone like David Ross or a Brad Osmond or Steven Vogue's, you know,
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every individual is different. That's hard to tell. I don't, I don't know. I don't know.
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I'm pumped to see, I'm pumped to see Vogue's Voight. Vogue.
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Terrible. Terrible. I'm pumped to see a manager. So I want to see what this Guardians team looks
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like. I think here's my kids. I have a take away. I have a take away.
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This is the Guardians move here. So they were paying Terry Francoin. I believe four to five million
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dollars a year. Okay. Great. And and Francoin was the highest paid manager in baseball for a while.
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Are the cheapo Guardians going to then put this money back into the player pay? Like they get
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an asset and money that extra five million dollars on a starting pigeon next year or or God forbid
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offense or they just going to pocket that like they always do and just take the cheap way out,
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which is I fear what they will take. They're going to pocket it and keep it and take it.
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And it should bother people because they are one of the richest families in baseball.
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A.O. Central. I want to just a quick, if you don't mind a quick breakway at the A.O. Central for a second.
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It looks very interesting to me. We have the Tigers make us a small but
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interesting move with the market trade. And I know it's not big. Oh my God.
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Show Hayotani or you know the Joe Carter or Roberto Alamartre. We're not talking to that.
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But it is interesting that the Tigers seem to be maybe potentially spending money next year.
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And they weren't that far away this year. The A.O. Central is so weak.
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And then you have the royals of the royals. I think there's still a couple years away that they
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still need some work. The twins win the division, win a playoff round. And then they've come out
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publicly already and say, hey, we're not going to spend, we're actually going to spend a less money
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now. We're not going to spend more. And they already have a phrase like Sunday gray out there that
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basically said we're not going to fill our shirt out rumored with him. They're not going to raise
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that. They're going to basically drop their payroll $20 million. And I don't know. And you wonder
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is there a pathway for the Tigers? And we know, unless the guardians said money, which I don't
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expect they will. Is there a pathway to Tigers win this division? I think there is.
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Right? Absolutely. Absolutely. They've got good young players and they were they were
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competitive down. You know, when healthy, I think they're a competitive team. I think they're
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schedules also. They think there's something unique about them because I think they play,
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like I think America is this little bit of an advantage if they're good. It's kind of a
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weird place to play. Yeah. Some day games. Like the Tigers have like a good backbone.
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I think to go out winning some 78 games next year. I think I'm encouraged to by them. I don't
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Jason Benetti is a white socks announcer left the white socks to go to the Tigers.
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Like that's kind of an encouraging thing too that they fired and that they fire match up
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or they just I know they move their party in ways with their play by play guy to bring in
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a division play by play guy. Like that says something about the ownership and the people
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homeless. There's also something to be said for the year after allegedly use. So I'm going way
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back here because I'm on the show. This is what I do. 1963. Stan Muzel retires. What happens in 1964?
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Cardinals win the world series. 1993. George Red Retires. There was a strike year in 1994.
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What happened? The royals were very good team now. You know, they would have bid the playoffs.
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You know, I think there's something to be said for especially in modern baseball,
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taking these huge salary off the books. This wasn't necessarily the case with Muzel. Muzel was at one
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point the highest paid player in the game and be able to reallocate those funds to other players.
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You know, the what you cost for Cabrera, you get a mark can and then another $10 million
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player. They could have so much more value than Cabrera was. I understand why he was there and
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it's nice that he said goodbye, but he was a huge detriment on the playing on the win loss. Stan,
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you know, side of the letter. I don't know. I think the Tigers are one to watch this year and I,
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you know, I might put a little future on them winning that division.
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I think the Cardinals went to the world series the first year after Puehl's left. They lost
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to the Red Sucks, I believe. Maybe right. 2013. I was talking more about like a legendary
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tiring, but there's a fair point. You know, like, legendary tiring. It's like a great Muzel.
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It doesn't always work that way for sure. I mean, Ripkin retired. The royals still stung. So,
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I mean, it's not, that doesn't always work that way, but it is interesting.
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Yeah. I
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don't just close in the book on Void here for a second. I don't, you know, in the, in the
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the AL Central, my kind of closing thoughts on this division. I don't think that twins need to
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spend money to win the division next year. So they might be too transparent in saying we're not
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going to add that they might pitch a speech showing their cards so much like they really,
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if they're returning the same player, you know, the same bulk of the lineup.
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And they led Major League Baseball and nearly every starting pitching category last year.
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They were first or second. Name it first or second. And the best you can do if you want to beat
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me is like third or fourth. Yeah. They were utterly dominant and you're getting pitching categories.
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So to let sunny great wall and you be getting Royce Lewis for whole year. You know, so you got that.
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And then the other point, white socks stink. White socks are absolute trash. I agree with the other
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royals about being at least the way to do it. I think he's going to have a better year next year.
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I mean, I assume unless he gets hurt, I guess, but like he was so bad this year, I can't, you know,
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he seemed to pick it up as the playoffs. I just, I have to imagine he's going to have at least
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something of a balanced back year. So you're right. I think that twins can be very competitive this
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year. This one makes it so frustrating. The owners are cheap, not going to spend money. Of course,
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typical posted owners being owners, because if they spent $60 million on two superstars,
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they would have a dynasty there, but they won't. That's what they do.
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There's a couple other things I want to talk about with the managerial changes. I do want to
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spend some time on David Ross and Craig Council, like a little bit deeper for a second. But
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first Bob Melvin left the podra is to go to the giants and had said he wanted to manage the
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that's things a little bit. I know things are sour at the podra is. I know it didn't go the way he
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wanted to over those two years, especially this year 82 and 82 with the $258 million payroll is, you know,
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it's just so far below expectations. But then to go to the giants and say that every time he
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managed against the giants, he wanted to manage for the giants or he'd like look across a dugout
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and picture himself in there. Bob Melvin's a great manager. I don't know if he's getting up to say
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stuff like that. I don't know if he's had enough success to warrant like rubbing it in the podra
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space. He could have just kept his mouth shut, to shut about it. But either way, like some more
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drama here. Yeah, but he's not a guy. He wore it as welcome, pretty quick in Arizona with,
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you know, I was personality issues. It's interesting him and Boach, you have similar playing careers,
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both for backup catchers, for a good portion of the career, both for backup catchers for the
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giants, I believe, from right or with Boach, with the hot rice, whatever, in the West Coast, backup
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catchers. I know, Melvin's obviously a good manager. I don't know if I'd say he's great. And I
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don't know. I don't know. The way the team kind of just quit on him this year was very bizarre.
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It was only a second year in San Diego and they just fucking, it's very similar to the mats.
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It's very weird. I don't know. The whole Bob Melvin thing is weird to me. I don't know if,
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I don't, I keep hearing the giants going to spend a lot of money in his office.
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They are linked to a lot of high price free agents. It sounds like they're really willing. They
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don't, I think they understand they don't have any superstars. They have a team with a lot of depth
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and no great players. So maybe they'll be on the upswing. I don't know. But they had the Bob Melvin
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thing. I don't, I don't know. It was, that was odd as well. Yeah, I think Bob Melvin just couldn't
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handle those superstars. They had our type of depth each year in your Soto.
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Soto is probably easy to manage relatively speaking, but you know, like I just, I don't know
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how good he was at breaking down everybody together. 82.82 that roster. Yeah. When we should look
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back on this. Yeah, I know. Sorry. The hot rays are an interesting team. They are also
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gonna, they're gonna, they're emerging. Blake's nail is gone. They keep, you know, we talked
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about in the last time we were all talking about how we want Soto is probably going to get traded.
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That team, I don't know. That, that National Egress is, is unusual. I think the dodges are going
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to spend a ton of money. They only have 125 million on the books right now for next year. So
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they've been linked to a lot of guys. I don't know. That National Egress is, is, could look very
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different. Actually, the only thing we know, of course, the Rockies will be horrible. Is they're
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always horrible? And they have no, they know the team don't plan or no future. It's dying out there.
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But the other four teams could be interesting.
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Yeah, I think the Padres could be very good next year.
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Out like out, I think they're with the core of that lineup. If they keep on Soto,
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which Scott Boris had alluded to that that was their plan. He said in a press conference that
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it was every indication for the Padres in their meat. Like behind closed doors that the Padres
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had every indication to keep on Soto. They wanted to trade. Yeah, I, I, yeah. You know, I think
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that opens the door for Hassan Kim to get regular playing time and beer every day. Second
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basement, which is kind of a question mark when they signed Zander Boeigarts. But I, I don't
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understand them because they, they had that $50 million loan to cover payroll. But they,
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they're reckless and for agent like they still added Zander Boeigarts for almost $300 million
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in 11 years. But then they take out a $50 million loan. Like that's crazy to me. And Peter Siler's
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one of the wealthier owners and baseball who is networks like $34 billion. Private equity
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hedge fund guy. Like he's got, he's obviously got money. I just don't understand how that
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that Padres would take out would be in this situation. Nothing about the Padres makes sense to me.
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I think I've five years now. Someone's going to write this book and it all makes sense finally.
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Like, oh, that's why things were so chaotic in dysfunction because of X, Y, and Z. I don't know
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what they are. I don't know what's happening there. But it's a mess. And I would not see,
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I'm kind of, I don't think the, I don't know what the Padres will be next year. But I don't think
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they'll be very good. I mean, they'll be okay. I think losing Blake's now. And then even losing
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Chrono, where some of these guys, like I love that they're still stuck with Matt Carpenter for
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nothing to hear, which is pretty funny. He's the worst breeder's dining. You know, they also lost
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and not a viewed guy like Seth Lugo is a breager. I know he's not like a, but anytime he was like
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quality major leagueers is tough. Just remember Matt South Lugo.
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Fraud and Ron. That's what I think of when I think of the progress.
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Yeah. It has to be weird. Like weird aftertaste to it, right? Like you like, I keep waiting for that
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story to be like, oh, yeah, like I said, this is dysfunctional. Like everything around it just
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like seems like, I don't know. Good luck to the next manager. I don't know who's going to be.
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But
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Giants get a good, you know, but get their guy in Bob Melvin. They must have wanted them.
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They must have entered a vision. Again, entered a vision.
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Teams whopping is crazy to me. I can't believe we got two of those this year. And that's what I want
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to ask you. Those are David Ross. Like I lost sleep about this. If you're watching this on YouTube,
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you notice under my left hand, I just have a bag. I can't sleep. I can't sleep. Why is it?
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Because simple proposition. If Seiya Suzuki catches a fly ball gets hit land of raises,
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David Ross still remains. So yes, the downbacks never make the world series.
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Maybe the Phillies win the world series or do he get there? That is the butterfly effect that
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all of every single moment of the national league postseason, maybe even the world series was affected,
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but that one play and it's wild. And that's what makes space possible. Great. Live as long as season.
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And it was one play that affected number of franchises, number of careers, numbers of how we view
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players. Not only for this season, but for history. We have a million dollars, whatever that offer.
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That's a lot of money to manage Milwaukee Brewers. We criticize the Brewers a lot, but then open
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up five million bucks or a credit council. That's still a decent offer. If you're the Brewers
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ownership, I understand them being pissed about it because that's a good enough offer to think
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that you're going to keep credit council. Everything considered the idea that that comes with
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fire David, fire David Ross to fire him to then go get credit council behind their backs without
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them knowing because you have to. It's what it what's the rule November 1st or 2nd, some early point
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November is the checkpoint where you don't have to ask for the team's permission to interview
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their manager. So the Cubs didn't have to get the Brewers permission. And that was like a Thursday.
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And they ended up announcing it on a Monday or something. So the deal got done over the weekend.
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Sounded like it was just Jed Hoyer. Obviously it was very wrong because we never
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leaked. So obviously it was pretty small and people who were involved with this.
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No, I mean, yeah, I guess you can let the Brewers off the hook for putting in a nice offer for
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council. But who do we blame then for the Brewers being cheap for so long? These owners have the
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money. They're getting so much money in TV rights. They're getting so much money from
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whether it be just having people come to the ballpark. But the bigger thing is the
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valuations of the team. These teams are worth so much when they sell. They go all be like,
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well, we're losing money this year. It's like, well, yeah, maybe you lost $5 million this year.
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But you're going to get a billion dollars when you sell. The teams were so that's where the,
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you know, that's why it's all posted.
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$100 billion dollars.
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Um, I like the move for the Cubs. I was too.
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Cubs, man. I'm a little, you know, listen, David Ross did a lot with that roster. I think he
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managed that team. I think they outperformed expectations this year.
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Any losses job. This guy got carried off the field and game seven of the world series.
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Losses job. They brought him out of the ESPN gig that was paying him handsomely to do
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Sunday night baseball. He's like, traveling the world like David Ross likes to get after too.
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This is social guy. This is this guy who's like found his
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cake job out of baseball retirement and deal and judge. We're like, you're the guy to manage
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what's left of the world. So we need you. He didn't want to take the job unless they would promise
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that they'd improve the roster and that they'd spend money. Oh, sure. So he takes the job.
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Leaves ESPN. COVID and that because of the Cubs financial structure, they couldn't hit free
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agency for like two years. They'd taken on a ton of losses. And this is a completely deeper
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conversation about like how the way the Cubs operate. But they spend money based off the money
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that they make on the team. They make a ton of money off that team. So they spend a ton of money
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on that team. But because of COVID, I didn't have laying off like 40% of the employees at
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the Wrigley field. Yeah. Cold blooded stuff. And people said, why don't the Wrigid sell some of
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their own other assets and divast some other other portfolio to cover it and the Wrigid
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still want to do it. And that's shitty stuff, right? I think that's shitty stuff because they
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have the money to do it. But um, David Ross, I mean, you could call this one of the Ross,
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Ross deals ever because they ended up trading all those guys in 2021. Then they didn't do
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shit for 2022. They finally gave them something to compete with in 2023. And he takes him a flyball
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away from the playoffs. And then they fire you to bring in the division guy that's been running
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laps around you for the three years. Like the three full seasons you have been managing. Now,
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you're not good enough. We're just going to go get him and now. So it's just a bad taste in my
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mouth. This Ross comes out and the only thing that will solve any of this is now Cret Council has
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to win the division. And I don't really like having all this pressure now on a manager where
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it's like, all right, well, if they don't, Cubs don't win the division next year. I mean,
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the Council for players. I think you got a few years now. One thing, this isn't the first time
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in my opinion, the Cubs did manage your kind of dirty because there's a better auction table.
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You know, a decade ago, you had Rick Brantaria, who was a pretty good manager. And then the
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second Joe Madden's available. It's like, oh, see you later, buddy. When he's only there a year,
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I think, with the Cubs. Oh, so that was kind of because he was pretty good manager for you guys.
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Yeah, but Ricky, Ricky Brantaria got a chance with the White Sucks. And it wasn't, you know,
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it was okay. They ended up getting rid of him for Tony LaRusa. I don't know. I guess, you know,
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but like, you know, Council, I think the Council move is great. While their Cubs are going to win
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the division next year, I don't know. Maybe the Cardinals could make some improvements, maybe. I
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don't know that team is weird. They have, they're going to spend money this year. I don't know.
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The brewers are in cell mode, despite with the owner of the owner is like, we're going to be good next
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say, all right. No, you're not. I'm Brandon Woodruff. Okay. I mean, what are we doing?
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And then, you know, the other teams division, are they going to be competitive? I don't know.
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I don't know. The Cubs could get it, but I don't know. The Cubs also are not
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as they're currently situated right now or not a good major business, but they're okay.
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But they need to go out and get some. But maybe they'll spend some more money this year. Maybe
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that's what they promised Council. I don't know. There's definitely spent a lot of money. I
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mean, that's a whole buzz is that we're just getting ready. They're supposed to be a flurry of moves.
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But that's where the pressure comes from now that they've now that this first chip is fallen in
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the way that it's in the way that it's fallen. Now, this whole other chain of events has to occur.
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They have to go spend a ton of money. They have to be competitive. They have to be healthy. They
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consistent building and getting better year after year, which is what I liked under David Rossin
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had seen over the long run. Now, there's this pressure in this element. I'm like, okay, well,
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we better be Shohei O'Tani or Yamamoto. Don't give me Aaron Noah. I don't want to talk about,
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I don't even want to talk about Belinger yet. I'm talking about the very top of free agency. You
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have to go get one of the top two guys without any questions asked. And yet to be willing to
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overpay and do whatever it takes to get those guys. So that's the message that I'm taking away from
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them going out. Because it's, again, if David Ross resigned, retired, whatever. It's a big enough
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story that they went out and got counsel, but to fire David Ross. And if they're all that stuff
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that I was talking about, bringing them in in context, you're here. We're going to spend like nothing
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went this guy's way. And then finally, he gets the club in a position to go to the playoffs. And
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ultimately, he can look back on a season and say it was a flight. They're a routine flyball
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way to an above average right fielder. And the fucker dropped it. Job gone. This is not, this is,
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this is setting up for. So on the other side of it, was it a blessing in disguise? He drops the
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fly ball. You guys weren't going to do any damage in the playoffs anyway. Most likely who knows?
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You never know. I mean, I'm back to my friend and I thought, but like, let's just assume they get
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knocked out early. And now you have a great manager, one of the best managers in baseball.
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You have ownership. That's right. You were good enough for the ownership believes in the team.
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And maybe now you guys are going to prepare.
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It's a good counterpoint. Yeah. And now the brewers are significantly weaker. You know, he had held
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the brewers together forever. Now they're, they're toast. Now the reds are going to, you know,
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the reds, the sounds that they're going to spend a little bit of money. I mean, I don't know how
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much they'll actually spend. But, you know, if you got like 100 green, can take that before a little
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bit. If Andrew Abbott doesn't regress. And then you have, you know, the rest of that lineup that
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I think can get better and better. I think a letter of Cruz is going to get better. I think he's
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going to learn to go off some of these pitches. He's going to, they're going to work with him.
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If he's willing to put in the work, he has a talent to be incredible. So maybe the reds end up
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being that team that reds Cubs rivalry. I mean, we see the next five years.
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The pirates obviously are not there yet.
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The pirates are along. Well, yeah, yes and no. Yes, you're probably right.
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Carl, but no, they shouldn't be. They owners, if they don't understand the money, then they
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wouldn't be. But they're not going to. So you're right.
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Which means to me, the Cubs have to go spend. I put them second in my show. Hey, I'll tie
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the power rankings. I think they're going to offer them everything they can. And I think it's an
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extremely compelling case for familiar with some of the recent for agent signings. The Cubs have
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had to talk at length about the Cubs self improvement prospect. And they're like player development
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individual programming and how they help you as an individual like get to the skills and all
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stuff. And a lot of guys talk about item second. I had Dodgers one Cubs two. Yeah, the
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others three. I think the Mariners just have a limit on what they're going to be willing to spend
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for Tony. And I think what. But yeah, but I don't think he's going to. I don't. I think for him
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to play for the mats would be a can. I think the balance is money and playoffs money playoffs.
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Money competition. I know that I think the mats would have to.
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The only doesn't like to get free agents that have qualifying offers attached. By the way, all
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seven. We have seven free agents because we're qualifying offers. I mean, I don't know if it's
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worth talking about all of them going to decline it. It's pretty is there's no jock Peterson in
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this group. I think it's pretty name all seven. I can't right now. It's been a long day. There's
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seven of them. What's that? I know. Josh Hader, Otani, forgetting. Oh, Belinger. Matt Chapman.
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Oh, these guys. That's anything. You guys got you guys got to figure out your new belt. Belinger too.
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Like, or let's replace that back. Christopher Morrell got announced to be playing a lot of first
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base moving forward, which tells me that they're just starting to get the fan base ready. Cody
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Baliger. Yeah, they'll give them an offer, but they're not going to give them the highest offer.
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And he's going to end up taking the highest offer. So you're going to give them an additive offer.
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I know what? Yeah, he's going to get like seven years, $200 million. And you're going to be
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an insane thing to do because he's not playing center field in the long run for the cups.
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Pete Crow Armstrong is the law in terms of they didn't have Pete Crow Armstrong. I'd be staying
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on top of a mountain right now screaming at the top of my lungs. Cody Balinger is a center
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fielder and you can't let him play anywhere else because he likes playing here and he's good here.
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But you have a guy that's going to cost you $750,000 and you go spend that money on the
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started pitching and you need started pitching death and you need started pitching that can shut down
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other major league lineups. They don't have that. So that's what I would do. But I'm sitting here
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talking to you. It's what the fuck do I know? Yeah, it's a good question. Why do you have the
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mats above the money? I just think that's the only reason financially. The cups, the cups here
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are not I'm not rolling the cups out by any stretch. I think the cups are much better chance
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than angels. So sure. Yeah, I just think I think the dodgers it's the dodgers and mariners to kind
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of lose to some extent, I think. But we'll I don't know. We'll see. That's going to be I'm very curious
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not only where he signs, but when he signs because that could be a domino that sets off a chain
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reaction. Like if a bunch of teams are having are not are not going to sign a fragiant because they're
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trying to get a tiny and then have all this money once a tiny signs, then you could see a waterfall
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of free agents just get you know signed instantly. Or are people not going to wait and say,
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fuck, I don't really have a chance to this guy anyway. I'm going to go make a move for Belinger
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right now. I could be the Yankees. You're probably not going to get a tiny anyway. I don't I don't know
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maybe I'm just told what maybe they do. I'm just ballparking. So maybe you're like, all right,
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a tiny not even on our radar. Let's go get Belinger because we have fewer suitors now because
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everyone's waiting for a time. I don't know. I think I'm really curious to have to talk about
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ups. I think Belinger signs early. I think he said gets a big deal early. I think he's better off.
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I think the right the sooner. Forrest is going to get this to pay their get him out. He had a great
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people are going to hate me for saying this. He had a great season for the Cubs. Just go look at
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the bad at ball data and some of the adjustments that Cody Belinger made. Cut down on the strikeouts,
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put the ball in play. His barrel rates exceptional. Is it average exit velocity
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went down? Everything from his MVP season like people look at him at that same MVP level.
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When he at that MVP level, if you had 100 fucking big ligters in a room, he was the best one. He
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was 99% tile on everything. If you look now there's stuff where it's like, all right, he's bottom,
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you know, bottom 10% or he's 50% or he's top six, you know, so like it's not that he's
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1% across support. Everything that's going to now if he was again, I'd say go give that guy all
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the money. Have him play first base that but there's a lot of troubling things here. And I would say
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as a baseball fan and this time you're like a good thing is to be skeptical about free agents
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and the money you're given these guys. Like this is these are the people you're this is like the
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one opportunity you have. You know Jason Hayward set the organization back for years because it
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was a bad deal. Like I'm a little gun shy about. Yeah. We're good like the best. And then
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was throwing March. We have this guy in the books now for a long time and not only is it
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expensive but he's also someone you count on. So then like obviously he was so good in 2022
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but then in 2023 when he's a non factor, it's not like we had a replacement ready to go because
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we're counting on this guy. Not only financially but also from a roster standpoint. So
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yeah this is huge. I like Bellinger who has a difficult injury history who is very inconsistent.
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Huge highs, huge lows. You put 10 years. That's a lot 10. We only live for 80 guys. We don't
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have 80 years on this rock. So you know that's eight it's 12 and a half percent of your life.
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You could have quite Bellinger in your life. Are you ready for that?
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Yeah. Couple of bets line up. I don't think so. Cody Bellinger. Now with the
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Crawl thing all these. I wouldn't be sorry. I see the meds Jordan Montgomery I think is an
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name that meds fans should be getting rid of from the no Crawl thing offer attached.
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That's exactly the guy Cohen would would go after. We need we need to rebuild that showing
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rotation. Even some of our smaller guys like mean smaller not stature but in value David Peterson
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is going to miss seven or eight months with the hip injury. So he's not going to be back until
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probably mid season next year. So you hear stuff like that and you're like all right we
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now that we didn't already need starting picture we now we really need starting picture. So
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Jordan Montgomery I think is one one to really watch for my sense.
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I thought I saw someone say six years 152 Jordan Montgomery.
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I'm okay with that. Way bigger than whatever thought a year ago. He's damn good.
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For agency start now when?
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Five PM. Yeah I mean guys. Yes. Three.
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When who's the first sign? I mean who's the first big sign? I'm going to have like you know
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a random guy's sign but like yeah I think my Bellinger is a pretty good because I
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guess my things like Aaron no I think might be a while because I think there's going to be a lot of
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students and guys teams always need starting pitching but like I could see Craig Bellinger like
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said someone that's a good guess Carl. I think I feel like usually you see the kind of those
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position players that have a specific position obviously those guys go first because it feels
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immediate need or the more vague ones like like like Josh Haydor or Noah or even Montgomery they might
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take a while. Yeah that's I should have said that. Cody Bellinger's kind of that's what I
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thought the first should be our first. Yeah wouldn't the bright. I don't I do not think it'll be a time.
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It's just too complicated. There's so much money in stake there's so much going on with it and
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there's so many in theory so many suitors you don't want to have it be too quick for it one you
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missed a suiter. You know I've never signed a bridge and contract with a major league baseball team
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a couple of my friends have and here's what I've heard is that the general vibe is like you just
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want to know where you're going and you want to know who's your team you want to know
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spring so there is a thing at some point you know when is that I think it's around holidays.
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Oh no it's around summer. I think it's when you start to know you're going to be around people
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and family I think there's this period like okay once Thanksgiving gets going you know I think
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that's kind of where guys between when I'm meeting you two. Where guys where we meet you since the
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week after Thanksgiving typically right so you have that and then you're absolutely right Carl like
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you you hear a lot of major leagueers say that like I just want to get the settled for the holidays
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you know because you know you think about it too that's when guys start to ramp up to like day
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ramp up there off season and you know baseball players especially everybody wants certainty
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their life you don't want to not know where you're going or not know where you're going to be next
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for your not only next year but for the next five years you want to know where you're going to be
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at that's I think that's pretty human of anyone to want especially baseball players who kind of
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thrive on routine they go at they got to play every day you know but think about think about
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what these guys have to do for me human logo gotta move your family gotta have your wife be okay
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with this new city or girlfriend and you know how the kids put in your older and freezing
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stupid care older so you gotta have your kids get ready and settle in a new school system like
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there's a lot that goes that's involved obviously and I'm not saying we should be playing
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violin since these guys making $100 million you know over five years whatever but it's involved
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yeah still sucks still sucks still sucks so if next week we sit down and have a conversation about
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the offseason you think calling your science somewhere yet no definitely not I mean I would never say
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a specific player is if the question is when we sit down next week is one of the top 50 free
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agents going to be signed by this time next week yes more to the top 20 guys definitely next two
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weeks if I see next two weeks to the top 20 guys are signed okay over under half a guy next
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week top 20 it's November 9th I'm gonna say I'm gonna say under take the under I feel like this
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you know what's happened I feel like this start the Frazancy period has gotten longer and longer
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like you never so as a kid in the 90s you never saw a Frazans go into Christ if you went if you
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are Frazans January something was fucking wrong now you see a lot of guys that don't sign until
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February which you just never saw back in the day so I'm in the process of my brain of almost
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thinking it goes longer now I my last question who's your favorite free agent signing for
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my sister what was the most jack most jacked up you ever got as a fan once you were jumping up
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and down on your Spider-Man underpants as a kid go to the week out of Keter Nadez no way to increase
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Carter was a trade most of the meds even Howard Johnson most the meds really didn't do a ton of
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free agent signings until later on you know it's one I got really excited about as an adult
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and I had to take it to the time and it was a guy always loved and I was so excited he was going
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to know was Curtis Granderson oh that's a great pick Curtis Granderson's awesomies from Chicago
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with Chris Best I always admired his play like I always like loved him even it was the Yankee or
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the Tigers or I always like this was a guy that I would really want to root for so when they signed
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him and it was the meds team this was in the offseason between 13 and 14 the meds offense was horrible
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and it's like the idea that we're getting anyone who could hit 20 on Wednesday this season was like
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mind-blowing so that's when I got I was like I remember I remember where I was I was at a bar
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with my first wife in Queens that popped up on the TV you know and I stayed back I had a few
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extra drinks on on on my guy the granny man coming to Queens that was when I was really excited about
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I like think about the mess like your aunt Santana Mike Piazza you go through the list and almost
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all of them even John Olorwood all of them were via trade free agent signings the meds typically didn't
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work out you know any Murray that was didn't work you know a lot of those guys didn't work out that
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was when I was a kid because I was like that he Murray but I and Curtis Granderson was awesome how
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of you was one of the cups yeah I was gonna say I have a similar one you know like an outfielder
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with speed and power I'll bounce a story on oh because when he signed in 07 that had put together
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this team with Mark de Rosa was a small piece Ted Lilly was a guy always like to get on you know they
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they had put together a nice they put together a nice roster and it was like oh there's they have
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to get this they have to get to he was the big piece he was like the huge I think he was coming
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off a 40 40 season with Washington the problem was he couldn't play second base they didn't want
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on the play second base but that was super exciting because I set my basement on my family's computer
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you know we didn't have a laptop we had just like a big die stop in the basement and yeah I just
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hit an f5 on Chicago sports dot com waiting for Paul Sullivan to post the because it was like
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there was no Twitter I mean when I say sitting there in literally repeatedly hitting f5 it was like
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reload page page reload reload page doing that for like two weeks yeah I
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looted to looted to stuff I was home for college break I was home for college break I remember
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and just hitting refresh on it and then when they signed them running upstairs would be in like
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they did it they did it you know yelling at my parents like the cops sign El Fato Soriano
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that was a great time that's a great time that's what you told me I mean before internet you had
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like you got like you you find out you read the transactions the newspaper they're holy shit you know
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you know the big pages yeah you can watch your like sports the sports the two-minute sports broadcast
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on your local news and get some stuff you could obviously put on sports center and stuff but a lot
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of times you didn't find stuff out until the next day and the transaction like oh shit they traded for who
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the right socks signed found rate awesome okay like it was just you were like surprised to see it uh
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yeah yeah the meds free agents you know you go through the meds the best players the meds especially
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in those great teams 80s Bob O'Hade at trade it was funny how so much of it was done via Kevin McGrannelt's
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was so much of it was done via trade uh even Dave Cohn was a trade like all those things were
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were all trade they didn't dabble in the trade in the market very much under uh frank cash
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interesting well hopefully this sure you guys we will I mean we'll go and get some guys I
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I don't you're not going to see this thing where it's for lander and sure you know you're not
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going to see that uh and and probably for the best but you know hopefully get some guys to build
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around that rotation around guys like Sangha where we can actually put together you know and then
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Jose Contana was pretty good for us last year get three decent arms in there and then I don't know
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and I guess you're trying for that seven you know that sorry that six block heart spot yeah
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I guess we'll see if you guys have anybody next time the meds I mean
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David Stern's thing could take them like two years so you know that
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that was a nice thing when Theo was running the team and he came in I was like I can just kind
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of turn my brain off like whatever they're doing I like it sounds good that was an easy easy time
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as baseball fan I'm starting to get back there with Judd I kind of really liked the way the
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cups are operating I mean he's a cold blooded dude it kills me that they Ross is not the manager
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for the cups anymore like it that's that yeah guys awesome I just a quick personal story
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I mean just this year my buddy just thrown out the first pitch I'm like I've told these stories
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before like Chicago programming like hi no David and he's a really nice guy and like my buddy
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just thrown out the first pitches here and we just like went down I'm standing by the on deck
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circle and like he came out of the dugout like super it was like hey Carl hey like came over
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gave me a hug was like well we'll play our asses off tonight man like I think I posted the picture
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on Instagram and he's like how's your mom doing I'm like good you know because I introduced
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to my mom doing before a game in 2016 and he was like hey hold on a second he like goes over gets
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a ball for he's like he's like lester warmed up with this ball so hopefully you know and he
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like made it kind of was like we end up being like good like winning this thing like that being
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nice thing to keep her whatever I'm like I'm like I'm like no joke like I'm a piano in my house
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is like the ball I'm a bitch right in my mom with David Ross you know like he's just such a good
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dude and I like him a lot and they're I've met a lot of different people across this game and he is
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definitely by far the most warm and special and friendly and memorable and all stuff and so it's
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crazy that they fired him it's crazy that they fired him and it just tells me that like
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yeah it's not messing around they're they're gonna unload they're gonna spend so much money they're
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gonna do something crazy like and and maybe they don't end up improving but like
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he's he's getting be making offers less than right and I wonder where he's gonna end up so that's
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better than else I know Otani Ross I hope with Milwaukee you know where he should end up it's
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not gonna happen because they have a manager right now you shouldn't have to move cities
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I mean he'd be yeah perfect for sure would I was Jerry right well that was the white
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socks white socks you're really wrong he would not stay in every wild right he would not stay in Chicago
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dude you'd have to have some thick skin and some big balls go take that job I can see I can see
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coming back to do it that I just think the the white socks man your Peter Ruffall is awful like he's
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just terrible like who can I want to keep around why so you can fire him in like in July like what
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are we doing like they're not gonna yeah Chris gets doesn't like like Chris gets like what are we
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doing like why why why does this charade so he's a manager for 70 more games when we all know what's
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gonna happen we all know it's gonna happen at the all star break news she's gonna get tired like
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no shit and it's like what's this just just pale the bandaid off now like a minute you made a
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mistake a minute he was a bad and don't even your mistake you're inherited mistake and then um
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bringing bringing rush will be perfect for a team like that give them some personnel I can
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mass a little bit I don't know I'm not in charge no no you're not neither am I
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this is a barsel baseball off-season show
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you just just chopping up the big off-season yeah I don't know I don't know if I've done a podcast
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before but I just where we are it's November fucking nine I don't know we don't know we're just
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guessing we're just back and it's it's so early in the hot stove that like we're still filling
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like I feel like we're not we're just gathering logs for the fire for that stove right now it's
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not even that it's not even that cold out no don't not even that cold out I know you're saying I
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know I know I know I just don't do it with the one that's our concern I know I know I know
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five degrees with a slight breeze crisp in the air go get yourself a warm out I don't want to deal with the uh
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with the cool because it is okay you know what I'll say you're a skinny guy the cold's gonna get you
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more I hate I hate the winner I hate it so much how thin is your blood do you bleed easily I mean I grew
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up in a hamster I mean I can I can handle I can handle winner I mean I can handle I just hate it
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how do you say no like that did you hear that yeah that no sound that's not saying that's a sound
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you make that means no that's not saying no that's just sound what is that I don't my sound my
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voice is very weird I don't know special you know let me tell you something I want to tell you
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I don't know I tell you all right so uh obviously I'm not the best editor or producer in the
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least bit I tried I put these things together and so I've tried to learn some like different
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tricks and gimmicks to make this thing sound better and one of them the producer producer and
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a producer and Chicago recommended a AI software that makes our voice sound better and like it can
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help me sometimes because my vocal range is within like a certain spectrum and like it doesn't
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really work with Castleani it sometimes work with hubs but he like his echoing kind of fights
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you it makes you sound like tea pain and like I think I've published an episode or two before I'm
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accident with you uploaded and enhanced and like I've gone through all these machinations to like
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try and figure out a way to like and I can't there's literally no effect I can put on your voice
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like the sound like the software is like that's not a real they don't know if you're male or if you're
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female or if you're music no seriously there's like a thing where it's like they don't know like
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if it's or your music I'm saying like sometimes they think you're a song with all the freak
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the closest comp I have is like I know I think you know yeah no you have to want to make more
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tonight you but you know I just think though where he'll then go into like a deeper registry which
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I kind of do too and I can't mimic Jay when I was deeper registry but I know I do it so like
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it goes up and down like that it's very weird yeah I don't know I don't know I it's it's been I
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I don't know because I was born in our little island so I was nine and then I moved to New Hampshire
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and my mom has very thick Boston accent just a ca-pah you know all those yeah so and I grew up with
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this weird thing or I don't I don't know why my voice is what it is I also get excited easy I don't
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know what it is it's very very bizarre there's similarities here I I don't have no control
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the way I sound and people think I people think I like make my accent up like when I'm doing I do
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these videos and stuff for personal like the yellow and microphone I can't hear myself so when
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I get excited and I yell like my shit my Chicago short a and all like that just like jumps to the
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front of the line and it's not on purpose like there's been time my job before this when I was in
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sales I'd wear a suit and I'd have to stand up and I'd have to present to a room full of people and
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you know you'd go through that bullshit but they'd say like how I am if I'm sitting around I'm like
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talking with my buddies and you get animated you get excited I'm like I have no control over it I
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have not I have absolutely no control over this is just like this it is what is I just I just I
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want to do these sales it's funny that like uh hi my name is Chris Clemer I'm here to I would do
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this whole voice and it's off it's a human being it's like a weird like professional thing this is me
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like when I get squeaky and I get wild my hand then I'm being like a real that's who I am like in my
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soul my belly when I was doing sales for 20 years that was I was putting I was playing acting
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yeah it's not good I mean that's not a happy spot to be but you know what like I like being in
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sales I like working on sales I like that I like that I was lying if I like you know you can't
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if you were yourself like you was not professional like you know but like what I know whatever
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that's you know but I'm much happier being me talking to you about baseball and things I love and
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actually love is that a pretending I love educational software or you know or check writing software
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like no one loves that you're right I prefer though I will give sales credit but the industry as a whole
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I do and I did like knowing where I was every day and what I had to do and where you're at like
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there's no bullshit in sales like there's no you can't walk around a sales job I'm be like well I
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don't like this guy and this guy is me I don't like it's just like just go fucking sell and like the
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people who sell do well in your part and then you guys can build your culture together and have fun
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with your friends and all that shit like that was a good time I was a really good time as that is
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like the guys who aren't good it's like the guys that complain a lot more to work at the job
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so I never fail and I was never the best sales guy was always like in that like next year of like
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being okay to good I was always no matter what I sold or what company or for I was always in that
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like that to your where I was never really at risk of losing my job but I was never at the top sales
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guy ever
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yeah be the top sales guy too that those guys are just weird you're born you're just the guys
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that get up early and go in and like do the get ready for the day at five o'clock in the morning
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and they eat the egg egg whites and they're doing the setups Patrick Bateman style like you're a
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weirdo and you know who you are if you are you're then just congrats I also love I talk to this on a
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blogger wrote about this show the bear which takes place in Chicago which is a wonderful show I love
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this show so much and it's about just having pride in your work and like what it means to work
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what it means to feel good about what you do and I don't care whatever you do for a living if you
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take pride and you care about it and you love it that is awesome because that's what that's what
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we're all aspire to do and I love that it shows that something we don't always I don't think about
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a lot I were food restaurant it comes out I eat it the care and thought and preparation that
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goes into that by a lot of different people that work really hard it just makes you look at
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something differently it's all you can ask for from a television show it makes you look at the
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world a little differently and care about people a little more it's all you want
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is the recommendation I'm a lot of you guys been saving the bear on effects it's very good it's on
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time to end the show if it's just me here talking and you're watching the bars to a baseball
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this is the barstool baseball show that's actually now well said clever this is the barstool
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baseball show everybody thanks for tuning in thanks comment we'll talk to you guys next week
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