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Meet the Press NOW — October 6
In this episode of Meet the Press NOW, host Yamiche Alcindor discusses the escalating legal and political battles surrounding the Trump administration's attempts to deploy military troops to Demo...
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If it's Monday, the Trump administration battles state officials, local officials, and
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the courts to try to deploy military troops to Portland and Chicago and yet another unprecedented
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test of the president's executive authority.
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Plus, Democrats and Republicans in Congress make no progress on funding talks, but the government
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shutdowns set to continue indefinitely as uncertainty clouds the Trump administration's
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threat of mass layouts for federal workers.
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And President Trump's plan to bring peace to Gaza and release the hostages hangs in
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the balance as negotiators, including White House officials, met today to iron out crucial
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details.
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Welcome to Meet the Press.
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Now, I'm Yamiche Alcindor in Washington, where the Trump administration is escalating its
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legal and political fight to deploy the military to Democratic run cities, including Portland
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and Chicago.
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This comes after a late night ruling yesterday by a Trump-appointed federal judge who accused
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the Trump administration of defying her earlier court order blocking the deployment of National
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Guard troops to Portland.
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Today, multiple White House officials slammed the judges ruling on Portland.
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Take a listen.
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With all due respect to that judge, I think her opinion is untethered in reality and in
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the law.
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The president is using his authority as commander-in-chief US code 12406, which clearly states that
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the president has the right to call up the National Guard in cases where he deems it's
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appropriate.
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We are appealing that decision, as you know.
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We expect a hearing on it pretty quickly, and we're very confident in the president's
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legal authority to do this, and we're very confident we will win on the merits of the
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law.
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When a judge assumes for him or herself the power that had been relegated or delegated
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by the Constitution to the president, that that is a form of illegal insurrection.
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We have seen over the last nine months, an ongoing legal insurrection in which just our
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court judges, as a class, in many cases, have issued, which is why they've been overturned
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so much, have issued rulings that are flagrally unlawful and unconstitutional, and it is an
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insurrection against the laws and constitution of the United States.
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We need to have district courts in this country that see themselves as being under the laws
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and constitution and not being able to take for themselves powers that are reserved solely
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for the president.
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Meanwhile, our federal court hearing just wrapped up in Chicago as the state of Illinois tries
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to block the deployment of National Guard troops with state and local officials calling
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it federal overreach and Governor JD Kritsker calling it a, quote, Trump invasion this
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afternoon at a press conference with Illinois officials, Governor Pritsker condemned the
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attempted deployment and accused a Trump administration of trying to create the pretext
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to invoke the insurrection act.
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Donald Trump is using our service members as political props and as pawns in his illegal
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effort to militarize our nation's cities.
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No insurrections, no invasions, the folks in the neighborhoods do not want armed troops marching
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in their streets.
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When it comes to public safety, they want civilian law enforcement when they need them and
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jobs and after school programs for kids in the neighborhoods.
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They do not want Donald Trump to occupy their communities.
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This all comes as President Trump is facing increased scrutiny for politicizing the U.S.
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military after his comments last week telling senior military officials and leaders to use
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democratic run cities as, quote, training grounds that they were fighting an invasion from
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within.
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And yesterday while speaking at the Navy's 250th anniversary event, the president touted
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the military's role in combating crime in the U.S. even though the military is barred
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by law from being used for domestic law enforcement.
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We're doing the same thing in Memphis and we're going to Chicago.
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You know we have a governor that thinks it's wonderful when 50 people in a short period
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of time were murdered in Chicago.
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Over 200 people were hit and so we send in the National Guard.
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We send in what's ever necessary.
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People don't care.
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They don't want crime in their cities and we're doing it and we're doing it well.
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We're doing it like nobody's ever done it before.
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Joining me now is our team of reporters NBC News Senior White House correspondent Gabe
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Gutierrez.
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NBC News Senior National Security correspondent Courtney Cuby.
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NBC News Senior Homeland Security correspondent Julian Ainsley at NBC News Legal Affairs Reporter
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Gary Grumbach.
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So Gary I want to start with you.
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We woke up this morning to a text from you with this play by play of what happened over
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the weekend.
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Tell us, break it down for us, what happened and what comes next.
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So what happened in the past 48 hours is started on Saturday afternoon when the federal
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judge blocked the Trump administration from deploying the Oregon National Guard onto
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the streets of Portland.
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The Trump administration was not happy with that.
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They appealed that ruling and they're asking for the ruling to be overturned.
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But they didn't just stop there.
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Then they said, you know what if we can't send the Oregon National Guard into the streets
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of Portland, what about California?
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So they deployed and militarizing the California National Guard onto the streets of Portland.
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And that's when another court filing came out and the state of Oregon and California tried
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to stop that from happening.
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And then in a late night hearing last night, 10 PM Eastern 7 o'clock Pacific, the same
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Trump appointed judge said, no, you cannot use any federalized National Guard on the streets
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of Portland, Oregon.
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Quite the play by play.
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And gave moments ago, we heard some pretty fiery rhetoric from Stephen Miller, who of course
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is a top White House advisor.
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Let's put the reaction inside the Trump administration to this judge who can't say
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that was appointed by President Trump to blocking these plans.
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Well, Yamiche, you heard it in your introduction.
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Caroline Leva saying that this judge was, quote, untethered to reality.
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And that's when we've been hearing from White House officials really throughout the day.
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You just heard from the deputy chief of staff, Stephen Miller.
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And he says that the White House is considering all other legal options here.
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Although when pressed on that, he wouldn't come out and say exactly what those legal options
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were because he says that he didn't want to tip off opposing counsel.
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But it's clear that the administration plans to fight this.
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They clearly think that they will win.
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And what they are trying to argue, Yamiche, is that, look, in certain cities, for example,
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Washington, D.C., they say local officials ended up being okay with the National Guard coming
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in.
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The mayor here in D.C. has at least said that, you know, has not fought the deployment
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of the National Guard in Memphis.
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Some local officials as well have been somewhat welcoming.
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And then the question is, what will happen in Portland, Oregon and in Chicago?
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Whereas you just heard the governor of Illinois and also officials in Oregon, they are fighting
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back.
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But the White House continues to say that they believe they are on firm legal ground here.
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And they expect to win this in court in this.
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And court me, as Gabe said, the White House is digging in here.
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What does it mean, though, to federalize the National Guard and what can they do and what
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can't they do while deployed?
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Yeah, so if you look at the memo from Secretary Hague Seth about these deployments, you'll
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see the term title 10 in there.
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That means federally activated members of the National Guard.
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In this case, they're not only are they getting paid by the federal government and they
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get their pay and benefits, but they also are under federal activation, meaning that,
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essentially, they're under the authorization and activation of the government.
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In this case, they're actually under the command and control of U.S. Northern Command.
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So what does that mean they can do?
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Now, if we're talking about the Texas National Guard, which was sort of the last chip in this
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play that Kerry just laid out here, Secretary Hague Seth authorizing 400 members of the Texas
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National Guard to go to both Chicago and to Oregon.
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That was also stopped by the courts, but if we're talking about them, Texas National
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Guard, when they're on state active duties, have the authority to carry out some law enforcement
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functions.
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When they're federalized under Title 10, they lose some of that authority.
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There's something that we've talked a lot about in recent months.
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The Posit Comitatus Act of 1878, that essentially says that active duty or federal troops cannot
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perform law enforcement here in the United States.
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So if, in fact, these troops end up being deployed to these cities, we've seen it before.
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We saw Title 10 authorities for the troops in Los Angeles over the summer.
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They will not be able to do certain things like arrests.
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What they can do, though, is continue with the mission that we have seen in other cities,
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including here in Washington, D.C., and that is protecting federal property or
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and federal personnel.
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And as we have heard from Trump administration officials, the concern in Portland specifically
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is about ICE, right?
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About ICE agents, about ICE facilities.
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So they would be allowed to protect those facilities if, in fact, they are deployed on Title 10.
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They just cannot carry out other sort of like the more classic things we think of about law enforcement like arrests.
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And Julia, of course, going back to this ruling by this judge, what does it mean in practice?
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Does it mean that the Trump administration can't go to another state?
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I don't know.
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And what other pickle red state maybe where a governor will be more willing to send troops?
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Does that mean that the president, though, can't go to another state to say, hey, why don't you send your National Guard?
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Well, when it comes to Portland, this judge was very clear that the president cannot federalize any national guard troops to the city of Portland.
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Now, this is a district judge, meaning that is her jurisdiction.
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And as we saw clarified by the Supreme Court this summer, federal judges really only have the jurisdiction of their district
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when it comes to things like issuing these temporary restraining orders like we saw last night.
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So could that mean that Trump could pick another area of the country where he wants to attempt this again and get a different outcome and courts possibly?
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But of course, they're really focused on sanctuary cities here.
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And so we could see the same thing like this play out as we are in Illinois.
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We know a judge already said that Trump could not send National Guard into Chicago, something he wanted to do this summer, even before ice went into that area.
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He said it was to crack down on crime.
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And said he said he wanted to send 300 members of the National Guard into Illinois.
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And now we see the U.S. the Attorney General of Illinois suing over that as well.
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So a lot of pushback on this issue.
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And as we saw from Stephen Miller, it appears to be somewhat by design that they want to call out sanctuary cities for policies that don't allow ice to cooperate with local law enforcement.
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So they can still arrest a lot of people in Chicago.
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I've got the latest numbers.
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They've now arrested over 1,000 people in Chicago who were suspected to be illegal immigrants in the country.
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And then of course, they want to, they're looking at this battle on the legal front and really targeting judges that they think are standing in their way, even if as you pointed out, they are Trump appointed.
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So this is all building to a boiling point.
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The question is, what is that boiling point?
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And how much can they really carry out without National Guard?
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Well, exactly what they could when it comes to immigration enforcement because it's Courtney pointed out, they're not doing immigration enforcement.
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It's really a message that gets sent with National Guard, so they could be deterred in that fact.
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But it doesn't keep them from deploying ice, border patrol, any of the DOJ agents to cities around the country to increase immigration arrest.
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And then if protest ensue, they could try to use that as a justification for why they would want to send to National Guard.
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Yeah.
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And gave, Julia just broke down some of the strategy here.
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What is based on your reporting, more of the administration strategy when it comes to these deployments, especially now that they're stalled in court.
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Are they looking for possibly more work around here?
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Yeah, look, Yamiche, Stephen Miller alluded to this a short time ago when we were speaking here at the White House north lawn, basically saying that there are legal workarounds at the administration is looking at.
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He wouldn't detail what they were, but if you just listen to him and how he's responding to questions and how White House officials have been talking over the last several weeks,
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and really all the way to the president himself, just believe it was last week, the president referred to what was going on in Portland, Oregon as quote,
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a hotbed of insurrection.
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Stephen Miller, today repeating the word insurrection over and over again and all out insurrection, potentially setting it up for the administration to label this an insurrection,
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and therefore imposed the insurrection act.
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That's what we heard, Governor JB Pritzker, referred to as well that the administration is planning to do, but no firm comment from the White House on what legal avenue they plan to take,
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but certainly Stephen Miller is teasing some form of imposing the insurrection act.
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Yes.
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And as we think about the strategy Courtney, if we could zoom out, we've also seen this uptick in rhetoric politicizing the military.
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Of course, an institution you know so well, among members of the Trump administration, how has that affected the way that the military is functioning?
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And what does it say about how the Trump administration views the military as an institution?
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Yeah, we've seen President Trump now headline two very high profile US military, very public events in less than a week.
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Of course, it was last week at Quantico when he spoke for more than an hour to the assembled hundreds of generals, admirals, and senior non-commissioned officers,
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the most senior military officers in the United States military from all over the world.
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And he gave this hour plus long rambling speech where he talked about former President Joe Biden using the auto pen.
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He spoke disparagingly about Democrats, the sorts of things that generally people, especially the most senior members of the military are not used to sitting through.
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And the reception really reflected that.
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You know, the President is used to having a raucous crowd and clapping and cheering.
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They sat silent throughout the majority of the speech, only clapping politely at the end, but that wasn't it.
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Yesterday we saw the President speak to a number of assembled sailors at a celebration of the Navy's birthday.
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And again, he delivered at times an extremely political speech, something that is not common for the members of the military.
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And what's been remarkable to watch as this is happened, these aren't the first two, they just are the two most recent.
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And again, very high profile events.
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What's been remarkable is to watch how the military has responded to these.
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There is a tremendous amount of concern about how the military is being increasingly politicized in recent years.
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Not just under the Trump administration, but in the last decade or so.
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And former officials, former senior military officials are reaching out with a lot of concern about the fact that the President seems to be blurring.
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And members of this administration really blurring the line and putting these members in the military and uniform in a dangerous position here.
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Yeah, and Gary talking about blurring the lines, he also have seen the administration sort of blur the lines when it comes to judicial branch here.
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Julia said something that was really smart, which of course she's always smart, but here's a pretty good little thing she says.
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She said that all this is coming to a boiling point.
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Part of that boiling point when I talk to White House officials, they pointed this to pre-court and say, we think we're going to win there.
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Can you talk a bit about that and sort of what we might see at the Supreme Court?
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And of course, it's a busy term. There's a lot on the Supreme Court's plate.
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What do you look at for it?
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It is the first Monday of October, which means it is the first day of the Supreme Court's term here.
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And we've seen a very busy summer with the emergency docket.
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That's going to continue.
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But I call what's going to happen on the marriage stocket here over the next few months into three main categories.
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One, President Trump's tariffs, the International Emergency Economic Powers Act,
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whether or not the President can use that act to impose dozens and dozens of tariffs on countries all around the world.
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A lot of the small businesses saying he can't do that.
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Second, can the President fire whoever he wants?
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That's a huge question.
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We've seen the Supreme Court mostly say, yeah, actually he can.
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But on two different portions, one, the Federal Trade Commission member and two, the Federal Board member, Lisa Cook.
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Can he fire those individuals?
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Those are going to be heard in oral arguments by the Justices of the Supreme Court.
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And we will get actually a full explanation as to whether or not they think that can happen.
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And then third, real quick, transgender issues is the second,
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the third big portion of the Supreme Court's term that I think is going to get a lot of eyeballs here,
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related to men, women and athletic sports teams, and related to tomorrow's case,
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which is a Colorado conversion therapy case.
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And whether or not counselors can be talking about conversion therapy in their counseling sessions in Colorado.
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So that's Terrence, Fireings, and Transgender issues.
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We will definitely be watching along and definitely wanting to look for more of your reporting.
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Thank you so much, Gabe, Courtney, Julia.
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And Gary, thank you all for your reporting and coming up.
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My one-on-one interview with Oregon's Attorney General, as he lashes out at the Trump
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Welcome back. As we mentioned, the state of Oregon is taking on the Trump administration
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in the legal battle over the deployment of National Guard Troops to Portland.
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For now, the deployment of any National Guard Troops to Portland has been temporarily blocked
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by a federal judge. Join me now as Oregon's Attorney General Dan Rayfield.
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Thank you so much for being here, Attorney General Rayfield.
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What's next in this legal fight? What kind of steps are you planning for?
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Yeah, what we really wanted to do was be in court immediately less than 12 hours from knowing
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that the president was trying to federalize our Oregon National Guard to tell a judge,
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a neutral arbiter that, hey, you don't have the prerequisites, the facts to federalize
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the National Guard, to put the US military on our streets. We were successful.
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We've been successful in two very early orders with the judge.
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Now the federal government is trying to appeal to the Ninth Circuit to pause the lower court's
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orders. That's kind of where we are right now. We're trying to draw a real fine line in the
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stands. In America, we don't put the military on our streets unless it's extreme circumstance.
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It's like an invasion or rebellion. Those things, they just don't exist right now in Oregon.
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And this is of course moving through the courts. How soon do you expect to get a ruling from the
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appellate court? Yeah, and this is just in order or a ruling that would pause the lower court's order.
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And that could happen as soon as today, if that were to come forward. Again, we're optimistic that
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that won't happen. Given the sufficiency of the hearings and the nature of the order that was
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issued twice now. We've had two over the past couple of days.
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It sounds like of course you're liking, of course, the rule is as you've gotten so far.
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But I wonder how concerned are you that you can win in the lower courts and then lose at the
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Supreme Court? You know, here in Oregon, frankly in the United States, we know that putting the US
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military on our streets is not normal and it's not normal for the reason. And that's because Congress
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said you can only do that, Mr. President, under a certain set of circumstances and invasion or
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rebellion or you can't execute the laws of the United States. We had a judge in Oregon that was
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appointed by President Donald Trump that ruled in our favor. I don't think it matters whether you're
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a conservative judge or a liberal judge, right? You, when you put that robot, you try and get rid of
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those things and rule just on the merits of the decision. And I think the judge did a wonderful job.
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I would expect the same ruling at the lower court at the night's circuit and at the Supreme Court.
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Well, thank you so much Attorney General Rayfield that we're going to have to,
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unfortunately, pause here because we have to go to the president. He's taking questions
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in the office again. Thank you so much for joining us.
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Every nation working on this deal and trying to get it done something that you could say
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three thousand years if you look at it in certain ways or you could say centuries, but this is a deal
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that incredibly everyone just came together. They all came together. No, Israel has been great.
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They've all been good, Caitlin. It didn't have a conversation with the red lines in terms of
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Hamas disarming and what not further or. No, I have red lines. Certain things aren't met.
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We're not going to do it, but I think we're doing very well and I think Hamas has been
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agreeing to things that are very important.
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Mr. President, if the vote today fails in the Senate, will that trigger layoffs?
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It could at some point it will and the Democrats are the ones that started this and if you think
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about it, it's about healthcare to a large extent. It's about we want great healthcare for people.
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We don't want to give the money away to other people that come pouring into our country and
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they've already poured it because nobody's coming into our country. Now we have the border totally
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stopped. In fact, numbers we just announced again were another zero. So we have zero for four
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months in a row. Zero people coming into our country illegally. That's a pretty good number.
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I'm not sure, even I can believe that if you want to the zero, we went from millions of people to zero,
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but it's pretty close to that number and the way you stop them is not to give away,
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not to announce it, you're giving everybody free healthcare, free this and that, but what that
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does is it affects the American people because the American people are unable to get good healthcare.
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Obamacare has been a wreck as you know and to do that we have to keep it
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propped up and keep do the best you can with it. It's a mess, but things are a lot of things are
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going on in that, you know, we talk about Hamas, you know, we talk about negotiations that we have
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going on right now. We have a negotiation going on right now with the Democrats that could lead
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to very good things. And I'm talking about good things with regard to healthcare.
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Are you speaking with the Democratic leaders? Well, I don't want to say that. I don't want to say that,
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but we are speaking with the Democrats and some very good things could happen with respect to
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healthcare. Would you make a deal with them on the ACA subsidies? If we made the right deal,
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I'd make a deal, sure. I mean, you have right now subsidies, you know, subsidies, that's a problem
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with Obamacare. The subsidies are so much. It's billions and billions of dollars is being wasted.
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And we can have a much better healthcare that we have right now. And we're talking to them. I'm
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not saying that's going to happen because this has also been going on, not for 3,000 years,
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but it's been going on for a long time. But yeah, we're talking to the Democrats.
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You would want to make a deal with them on the Democrats. I'd like to see a deal made for
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great healthcare. Yeah, I want to see great healthcare. I'm a Republican, but I want to see
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healthcare, but much more so than the Democrats. So, first of all of this, as you know, the American
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people are experiencing a lot of pain with any kind of government shutdown. And while you're doing
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the Democrats, of course, Republicans are standing their ground. What is your message to
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Americans, the American people who may encounter some of this pain? And just there, how do you get them?
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Well, up till now, that hasn't been a great deal of pain. There could be a great deal of pain,
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but up till now, that hasn't been. I will say there's just hanging there because I think a lot of
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good things are going to happen. It's all I can say. I mean, I think a lot of good things
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could happen. And that could also pertain to healthcare. Just for a couple of questions.
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I have seen these so-called attacks on isolated agents across the country, including the
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shooting of Dallas and over the weekend in Chicago. We saw 10 cars that got into the
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Boston and I say, James, and another one ran into my eyes in New York all the way up.
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Well, first, I'm trying to know saying that some of these attackers are actually organized,
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and they're planning to kill the ambushes officers. What are the consequences?
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Very severe. We're going to have very severe, we're going to find out who's going after our federal
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agents. So when you look at Chicago, they've had probably 50 murders in the last six or seven
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months, eight months. Many, many people shot like 30, 40, 50 people shot. Didn't die, but they've
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been shot. It's like a war zone. And then I listened to the governor and the mayor get up and say,
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how they have it under control. They don't. It's probably worse than almost any city in the
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in the world. You can go to Afghanistan. You can go to a lot of different places. And they
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probably marvel at how much crime we have. Then you go to Memphis, where we are right now. Now,
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it's it's just like in Washington, Washington DC right now, you people know better than I do,
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because you have to live right inside. And so many of the press have come to me. They've said,
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I can't believe it. It's changed so much. We have a safe city in Washington. Memphis will very soon
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have a safe city. Chicago can be very, very safe. It's going to be very safe. But Chicago is going to
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be very safe. And you say, why isn't that a governor wouldn't accept free help from regardless?
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I mean, whether it's a national guard or the military or anybody. I mean, if women raped and beaten
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and knocked a hell and the same with men where they're being shot all over the place in large numbers,
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I mean, we had a week in Chicago where 11 people were murdered and 38 people were shot.
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And then we have a governor get up and say, oh, it's safe. We can handle it. He can't handle it.
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He's an incompetent guy. That's why they threw him out of the family business. They threw him out.
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I knew the family business very well. And they threw him out. And now he's a governor. And he
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should say we'd love to have a safer place. Chicago is a great city potentially. And I told you
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that at the Union Pacific Railroad said, sir, save Chicago. It's a great city. It's going to be lost
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if you don't do it. We have no choice but to do this. And when judges give us rulings that
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you don't have to do it, Portland is on fire. Portland's been on fire for years. And
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that's so much saving it. We have to save something else because I think that's all insurrection.
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I really think that's really criminal insurrection. So I appreciate the question. These are unsafe
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places. We're going to make them safe. So you see what's going on in Memphis. Not pretty. But you know
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what? We do it a pretty job because it's going to be a very safe place in a little while. And the
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people of Memphis are so happy that we're there. And the people of Chicago. So you have a black
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woman with mega hats on in Chicago all over the place. They want the guard to come in or they don't
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care who comes in. They just want to be safe. And they really don't care. You know, there was one
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woman who was great today. She said, you know what? I don't care if it's a national guard, the army,
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the Marines, the Air Force. I don't care who comes in as long as we're safe. And that's the way
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most of the public feels. We're going to make Chicago really great again. And we're going to stop
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this crime. Then we're going to go to another one. And we're going to go city by city. We're going
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to have safe cities. And it was so great that we started with our nation's capital. One of the
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worst. I mean, so many people every week somebody was killed. They'd come from Iowa. They'd come
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from Indiana. They want to see the Jefferson Memorial, the Lincoln Memorial. They want to see
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something and they get shot. And you'd call their parents. I'm sorry, but your son is dead.
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And they go, what do you mean he's dead? Came to Washington, D.C. Not anymore. That's not happening
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anymore. We have a safe place. We have a safe capital. It's as safe as we have probably almost
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just about in the country. And if you look back six months ago, seven months ago, this was a
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death trap. You look back during the Biden. I mean, what they did, how badly they managed things.
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And almost all of these cities, most of these cities are Democrat run. And we don't care, Democrat,
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Republican. We're going to make them safe. So we have to save Chicago. It's very important. And
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you can't have a governor getting up and saying it's good when 11 people were shot over a weekend.
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And so I know you're not going to be in the impression of what condition they're trying to do.
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Well, I do it if it was necessary. So far, it hasn't been necessary. But we have an
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insurrection act for a reason. If I had to enact it, I'd do that. If people were being killed,
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and courts were holding us up, or governors or mayors were holding us up, sure, I do that. I
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mean, I want to make sure that people aren't killed. We have to make sure that our cities
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are safe. And it's turning out. And we started with DC. It's been so successful. Think of it.
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People wouldn't go to restaurants. The restaurants were closing. We'll listen. A lot of restaurants,
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as you all know. And now restaurants are opening and they're thriving. And I went two weeks ago,
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and it was great. I'm going to go again. I felt very safe, very safe. Forget about guards and
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secret service. I would have gone. It would have been very safe. DC is a great, and look at the
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cleanliness of DC. Look at how it's clean. You don't have tents all over the place. We had
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parks where you couldn't even walk through the park yet. People from tents, and they were violent.
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Some of these people were violent. People, we have a great safe capital again. And if you look at it
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in six months from now, it'll be the most beautiful anywhere in the world. It's being
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clean. The graffiti is old gun now. The tents are old gun. We have a capital that you can
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be proud of. But it'll only get better with time. It's the Brazilian people.
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I know we're seventh, the two year anniversary of the regional Israeli attack. You expected
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the Guadalatil tomorrow, or any sort of hospital? I think we're going to have a soon. I think we're
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going to have a deal. I look, it's a hard thing for me to say that. When for years and years,
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they've been trying to have a deal with Gaza. But literally for centuries, okay, if you really
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think about it. But we're going to have a guy's a deal. I'm pretty sure.
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You know, I'm the one that got the hostages back. Remember that, you know, I'm the one that
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I'm asking that. Yeah, I got him back. The citizens are celebrating what you've accomplished
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in this deal. Should it come through, there will be a lot of celebration on the streets of Israel,
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the hostages families. Have they been in contact with you with regard to this deal that couldn't have?
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They're so, they're so happy about it. It's like they can't breathe. Once that I can't breathe.
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You know, it's very sad because you have hostages and you have people that are no longer living.
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But the parents, and I've said this too many times, the parents want the bodies of their boy back,
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the bodies of, you know, their loved one back. In most cases, they're young men. And they did.
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And there's probably 32 or so about that number. Nobody knows exactly what the number is.
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They want that body back as much as if their son were alive. And I've been with them. You know,
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many have come to the White House to the Oval Office. I've been with many of the people that I got
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released. We have a fantastic group working on it. Steve Whitcoff has been amazing. Jared, I have
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Jared. I took Jared out because Jared's a very, you don't find anybody more capable. And we have,
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we have the A plus team working on it. I think we've made tremendous progress. And yeah, the people
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of Israel, the people of Israel wanted to happen. But the people related to hostages.
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I mean, you see in Israel tens of thousands of people, they really want the hostages back. And
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they really want things to end. And I think Hamas now has been, all I can say is they've been
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fine. They've been fine. I hope it's going to continue that way. I think it will. I really think
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we're going to have a deal. We have a really good chance of making a deal. And it'll be a lasting
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deal. We want to have peace. This is beyond Gaza. Gaza is a big deal. But this is, this is really
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peace in the Middle East. And the amazing thing is we have every Arab country, every Muslim country.
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We have every country surrounding. They all want to spoke with President Erdogan of Turkey. He's
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fantastic. He's been pushing very hard. He's a very powerful guy. And he's been pushing very,
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very hard to get this deal done. And Hamas has a lot of respect for him. They have a lot of
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respect for Qatar. They have a lot of respect for UAE and Saudi Arabia. We have everybody is on
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our side to get this deal done. There's never been anything like it. Nobody's ever seen it. There's
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always been like 80% of them don't want something done. I think virtually we haven't had a very
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strong signal as you know from Iran. They'd like to see this done.
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Yes.
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Governor Abbott offered up the Texas National Guard to have you had any other conversations with
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other red state governors? Yeah. They're willing to offer, every one of them is willing to offer
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whatever we need. We thank Governor Abbott of Texas. Every one of the red state, as you call them,
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red state governors is willing to give whatever we need because they want our agents protected.
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You know these ICE agents have a tough job. They have to go in and get in many cases,
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stone cold criminals, hardened criminals, long time criminals, and every essentially Republican
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governor has offered up whatever we need. And some Democratic governor's also dead.
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Yes, Mr. President, thank you. A quick question on the subject of the order. The Biden
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administration previously speaking, they shut down Alaska for business. You reversed that
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and the first of that day one, you opened it up going after all the critical minerals. This
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mission of yours, Secretary Bergom, Secretary Biden, to boost our own independent production
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of critical minerals. Well, it's a necessary story about how important that is over the next four
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years. Well, it's very necessary. You know, in the past we were able to go to other countries by
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whatever we want, but all of a sudden if those countries are hostile. And by the way China has
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made deals with China. They approved the Tick-tock deal. Everyone said you'd never get the Tick-tock
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deal approved. They approved it. And we have great people buying it. American big strong American
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companies are buying it. The most prestigious companies there are actually. And they're
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going to make sure everything's good. But President Xi was great. He approved it. So I'm not saying
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hostile, but it's good to have our own minerals. And you know, we create a tremendous value
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by creating a road. We build a road that only we can do because we have the rights to do it.
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Number one, we have the power to do it. And so we build a road that's over 200 miles long through
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a very beautiful area of the world. Actually, it's incredible. When you look at it, it's incredible.
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But a rough area from the standpoint of building. So we get a road done. And with that, we unleash
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billions and billions of dollars of wealth. It's pretty amazing when you think of it. And it's
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wealth that we need. If we're going to be the number one country, you know, we're number one
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now with AI. You're probably red. We're beating everybody with AI at levels that nobody ever thought
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even possible. And one of the reasons we are is because of energy. So our grid is old and
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tired. Like most grids are. They get old with time. The older you are, the older the grid gets,
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right? But I've allowed the people building AI or other plants or the types of plants. But AI
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in particular, because they need so much electricity, I've allowed them to build their own power.
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And it's been amazing. They're building massive plants. And with the plant, they're building
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their own electricity. They've become a utility, I said, maybe you'll do better with the utility
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than you do with the AI. I don't know. But we're letting them build their own electricity. So
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we don't have to worry about the grid. We don't have to worry about anything. And they're going
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to build it in such a way that if they have excess capacity, they're going to put it back into
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the grid. It's pretty amazing. So when they build, we're giving them permits to build their own
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electric power plants. And it's incredible when you see what they're doing. And because of that and
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other things that we're doing, we're leading every country. Nobody's even close to us with AI.
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And AI seems to be the big thing. I don't know. I can't tell you that. There are a lot of people
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building and a lot of people have high stock prices because of AI. So a lot of people think it's
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great stuff. And I think it's great stuff. I look at it. It's amazing what it can do in terms of
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medical, in terms of medical costs, in terms of knowledge. It's basically information and
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information at a level that nobody thought possible before. So we'll see. But they're building plants
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where you saw the one overlay that I did where, in this case, it's meta. One of their plants is
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essentially the size, almost the size of Manhattan. And that's a building. You know, it's a building that
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covers Manhattan. So it's big stuff. And nobody's even close to us. We're leading AI by so much.
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Yeah, that's right. This has started the administration in a lot more Americans want to join
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IZ. And as we're seeing more attacks on them right now, what's your message to rent and
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IZ. We're trying to do their jobs, but I love your questions. You know, I like you. So who are you with?
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You were the one that's what I thought you got mugged. You're not getting mugged anymore.
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She was really, you're lucky to be with us with that deal that that happened. I know all about that.
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You know, not anymore of them. You feel a different world out there, right?
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You're safe with the baby. Oh, good. Well, you're safe now. You're not. Nobody's going to be hurting you in any way.
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Thank you very much. Thank you so the bottom line under your question. We're just going to make
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things real safe. We're going to make we're going to have a country that you can be proud of. Not a
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country that you read about every day with somebody gets mugged from behind or hit over the head
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with a baseball bat. Those people aren't with us any longer. Yeah, please. Thank you very much.
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I'm a great talk with the president of Brazil. It was a good man. I met him actually at the
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United Nations. I was going up to make a speech and I didn't have a teleprompter. I was walking
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up to my teleprompter. I said, you know, I don't have a teleprompter. But just before that, I met with
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president Luna and I found him to be very good. I mean, we had a very good talk for about, you know,
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two minutes. And then I went up to make a speech and I was surprised to see how would you like that
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would I've got every leader in the world sitting out there. My teleprompter is an on, you know why
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Daniel? Because it was a rigged deal. But fortunately, I made a better speech that I would have
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if I read it off a teleprompter, which is pretty easy to do. So it was quite a day. That was a big
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day. But we met and we liked each other and yeah, we had a great conversation. Yeah, we'll start
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doing business. At some point I would and he's going to come here. We talked about that.
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Well, she's just a trouble maker, you know, I mean, she's no longer into the environment. Now,
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she's into that. She's a trouble maker. She is an anger management problem. I think she should see
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a doctor. She needs anger. If you ever watch her, she's a young person. She's so angry. She's so
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crazy. Now you can have her. You can have she's just a trouble maker. Yeah, please.
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The president's term today, this was it. This report is back and they rejected today. I know
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that feel by going back to the overturn her conviction. That means her only chance at getting out of
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prison is a part of her. Is that something you're talking about? You know, I haven't heard
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the name in so long. I can say this that I'd have to take a look at it. I would have to take a look.
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Did they reject that? She wanted to appeal her conviction. What happened? I say, well, I'll take
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a look at it. I'll speak to I will speak to the DOJ. I wouldn't consider it or not consider.
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I don't know anything about it. So, but I'll speak I will speak to the DOJ.
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I don't know. I mean, I have to speak to the DOJ. I'll look at it. I'll I have a lot of people
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of SB for part. I call them puff daddy. Is SB for a part? But she's convicted child sex trafficking.
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Yeah, I mean, I'm going to have to take a look at it. I have to ask DOJ. I didn't know they rejected it.
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I didn't know she was even asking for it, frankly.
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I'm a heart missus to Ukraine. The cells are made of them. The cells are to Ukraine.
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Yeah, I've sort of made a decision pretty much. If you consider it, yeah, I think I want to find out
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what they're doing with them. Yes. You know, where are they sending them? I guess I have to ask that
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question. That war should never have started. Would have never started. Since bad judgment was used
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there. I think on both sides, by the way, but nobody nobody looks good with the war with Russia and
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Ukraine. Nobody. That's been a visit. This week they lost over 7,000 soldiers between the two of them.
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Every week they lose in 7,000, 8,000, 5,000. They have a range of like 15 minutes or something
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until they build it. No, no, no, no, I want to I would I would ask some questions. I want to see what's
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the problem. I'm not looking to see. I'm not looking to see escalation. Yes. And tomorrow you're
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meeting with the Canadian Prime Minister. What's on the agenda for that? Well, I guess he's going to
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ask about tariffs because a lot of companies from Canada are moving into the United States. You
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know, everybody's moving back into the US and he's probably going to be asking about tariffs.
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They're losing a lot of companies in Canada that coming into the they left here. They left here
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20 years ago. When presidents had sat right at this desk, we're doing their job properly. They
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were probably good politicians, but they weren't good at business and they allowed these companies
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to leave. All they had to do is do what I'm doing right now. And you know, I'm not saying it's the
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easiest thing to do, but it is. It's effective. We're a rich country again. We're a powerful country
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because you know, I've ended seven wars. At least half of them was because of my ability at
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trade and because of tariffs. If I didn't have tariffs to throw around a little bit, you would
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have at least four wars raging right now with thousands of people a day being killed that
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aren't happening there. We settled, you know, we settled seven. We're getting close to settling
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eight. That would be a big one. And that's something that could happen. But so I think he's coming
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probably to talk about tariffs because a lot of companies are leaving Canada to come into the US.
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And they're leaving Mexico. And by the way, they're leaving China. They're leaving all over the
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world to come into the US. Nobody's actually seen anything like it. Would you shift your position
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on tariffs in response to whatever you want? Well, I mean, look, my position's turned out to
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everybody said, I'm right. They find billions of dollars that they didn't even know they had.
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Recently, they said they found billions of dollars and they couldn't understand, I said,
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check the tariff shelf. And they come in the next hour. They said, sir, you're right. It was from the tariffs
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where I reached, really rich country again. But more importantly, maybe,
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influence, if I didn't have the power of tariffs, you would have at least four of the seven
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wars raging. I used tariffs to sub wars. If you look at Indian Pakistan, they were ready to go
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at it. Seven plays we shot down. They were ready to go at it and then nuclear powers.
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And I don't want to say exactly what I said, but what I said was very effective. They stopped.
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And that was based on tariffs. It was based on trade. Tariffs are very important for the United States.
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We are a peacekeeper because of tariffs. Not only do we make hundreds of billions of dollars,
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but we're a peacekeeper because of tariffs.
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This is on the shutdown minister, president. The shutdown that occurred during your first
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turn last 35 days, how long do you expect the shutdown to go?
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Well, you don't know. Look, I can say this that it would have not happened except for the Democrats.
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The Democrats are very foolish. They've lost their way. And we have a new thing now when you look
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at, it's called crime. It's called absolute, as Biden would say, well, I won't say what he would
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have said. Remember what he said? It's a three-letter word. No. Remember that one?
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Everybody say, what was that all about? He probably meant exclamation point or something after the
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word. But this is a five-letter word from CRIME. And we want to put it out and are putting it out.
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And they don't, they don't seem to care about it, but they do care. I believe that Pritzker
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and this mayor of Chicago that like to say about we have it in, they don't have it under control.
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Not only is it not under control, it's the opposite. And I believe they're afraid, they're scared
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for their lives. I believe that the Portland people are scared. You look at what's happened with
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Portland over the years. It's a burning hellhole. And then you have a judge that lost a way that
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tries to pretend that like there's no problem. Actually, she's not even saying that. There's a huge
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problem important. I'll tell you what the problem is. Crime. Okay, crime. As a huge problem in Chicago,
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it's called crime. And we want to put out the crime and they want to inflame the crime. And why
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they want to, I don't know, but it could be that Pritzker is scared for his life. Yeah.
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Last month and also what's your message for Americans? We're concerned about your and your family's
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safety. Yes. We're very talented. Yeah, I am out there. There's no question about it. Well,
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at the UN, we had a problem with the teleprompter. We had another problem that nobody is actually
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talked about. The people in the room didn't hear my speech. Did you know that? The people in the
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room, they didn't have any loudspeakers and they didn't hear my speech. And I thought I made
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a really good speech. I mean, considering I didn't have the use of teleprompter, which is unusual.
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But I made a speech. I could have walked off the stage. I guess most people, Doug, I think most
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people would have just said, we'll see it about a half an hour. But they obviously turned
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off the, I think they turned off the teleprompter. But there was a reason that it didn't work.
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I actually know the reason they didn't let the teleprompter person into the room. Okay, which is
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essentially the same thing. So I made a speech. It turned out to be a very good speech. I could
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review. I went out to the audience after the speech. I saw my wife. I said, how good was that speech?
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Was that unbelievable? Or what? She said, I didn't hear a word you said. I said, what do you mean?
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She was sitting in the front. I said, what do you mean? She said, you couldn't hear anything that
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you said. The speakers were turned up. So I think that's pretty bad stuff, right? Especially since we
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support most of the United Nations. And yet I still want to keep it in New York because I think
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the United Nations has tremendous potential if properly run the United States has tremendous potential.
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But think of this. I settled seven wars. I never spoke to the United Nations about it. Not one of
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them. You look at, and those were wars that were ranging on a long time and in many cases. And
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I settled seven. I never heard from the United. They didn't help me. They should be able to settle.
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The wars I shouldn't have to be settled. The president is still taking questions in the
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old office at the White House. We'll be monitoring it and we'll bring you any news as it happens.
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That being said, I want to run through a bit of what the president has been talking about. He's
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started off talking about Alaska executive order that was related to energy saying that it's going
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to be issuing new permits to build electric power plants. The president also talked about the
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shutdown and said, good things could come. But they're speaking to Democrats. And he's saying that
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at some point a deal could come on health care. I think a lot of good things are going to happen.
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He also talked about the National Guard, Portland and Chicago in particular saying Chicago is a war
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zone. He also touted what he sees as success in Washington DC and the National Guard being here.
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But then he said, that's really interesting thing. He said, we have an insurrection act for a reason.
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He said, if governors and mayors do not cooperate and get allowing the National Guard into their
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cities and states that he could use that insurrection act, he also said that red state governors
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have been open to allowing their National Guards to go into different cities and states. And he also
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talked about tariffs and the negotiations going on in the Middle East. To talk about all this,
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I want to bring in again, Gabe Guterres, who is our senior White House correspondent, along with us
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is our chief Capitol Hill correspondent, Ryan Noble. So Gabe, you've been listening in. What has
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set out to you? Well, Gimmi, she mentioned some of the highlights there, but what really
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stuck out to me is that regarding the shutdown, the president is seeming at least in his public
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comments, for the first time seeming more willing to strike some sort of deal with Democrats.
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Now, earlier today, Caroline Levit was asked about this. The White House has made it seem like
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they were negotiating directly with some moderate Senate Democrats trying to pick them off one by
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one potentially to end this government shutdown. But as you said, the president right there saying,
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yeah, I'll make a deal that his goal is to get better health care for the American people.
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Now, that could be a response in some public polling that we've seen over the last several days
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that show more Americans blame Republicans instead of Democrats for this government shutdown.
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But it remains to be seen whether that ends up ending up at any sort of deal. You hit the
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highlights when it comes to the Insurrection Act. The president making comments about that saying
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that I do it if it was necessary so far. It has not been necessary, but defending why he's
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sending federal resources into Portland and Chicago. And then one more point, Yameesh,
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he was asked about Gilein Maxwell in the Supreme Court rejecting her appeal. He was asked whether he
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consider any sort of commutation for Gilein Maxwell. And he said that he'd take a look at it, that he'd
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asked that he talked to the DOJ. But then again, not taking one position one way or another,
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but just saying that he'd look at it. Yameesh. Yeah. And Ryan, what sticks out to you, especially I have
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to ask you about the shutdown and the negotiations as Gabe said, sounding more positive and willing
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to make a deal possibly with Democrats, president Trump said. Yeah, the tone that he is striking,
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Yameesh is very different than the tone we're hearing from Republicans here on Capitol Hill.
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They do not even want to have a conversation about health care until after the continuing
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short-term resolution is passed to get the government back open. Once that opens, we have seen
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Republicans at least talking on from a 30,000-foot level of trying to deal with health care,
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and in particular the lapse of these affordable care acts subsidies at the end of the year.
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What you heard from Trump right now, and oftentimes, especially these kind of
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wide-ranging, oval-office gaggles is a lack of specificity, but he seemed apparently willing
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to at least have a conversation about health care. And every time he's been asked about these
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affordable care acts subsidies, he never outright rejects them or says that he wants to see them
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laps. He talks about fixing them and making them better, which would indicate that he wants to
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do something to prevent them from lapsing. Now, whether or not that happens within the confines of
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this current shutdown debate or whether or not he's going to stick with John Thune and Mike Johnson
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and insist that Democrats vote to keep the government open before they enter into those talks
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remains an open question. But the Democrats that I've talked to firmly believe that Trump is the
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one that could break this wide open. If he says to Thune and Johnson, figure something out,
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let's come up with the deal, then that could change the conversation pretty quickly and things
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could get moving. But the Republicans on Capitol Hill would prefer to hold firm at this point
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and force the Democrats to the table at least try and pick away some moderate Democrats in the
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Senate to get that continuing resolution pass before they begin that conversation. The question is
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it's really hard to pin down exactly where Trump is in all of this. Right now, he's letting the
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congressional leaders kind of dictate the terms of this debate. But if he gets frustrated with this,
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he may say it's time to deal. Yeah, well, we're definitely going to be watching this closely on
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the six day of a government shutdown. Thank you so much, Gabe, and Ryan, for listening along with us.
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I want to now bring in from Jerusalem, NBC News chief foreign correspondent Richard Engle. You were
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also there listening along with us. The president said that there might be a potential deal
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to end the war in Gaza coming shortly. What's that out to you?
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Well, this is what President Trump has been saying for the last several days. And it echoes what
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Prime Minister Netanyahu now also appears to be saying. President Trump says that he wants all
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of the hostages out soon. Prime Minister Netanyahu said that he believes that all of the hostages
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48 of them, including 20 believe to be still alive, will be out in a week's time.
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So there does seem to be some progress happening as these negotiations take place. They're indirect
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talks between Israel, Hamas, and the United States in Cairo. So these talks are mostly about
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implementing the main parts of President Trump's 20 point deal. The easiest part, and if there
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are any easy parts, it would be about releasing the hostages. That is something Hamas says that it will
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do. It is something Hamas has promised to do in the past. And apparently discussions are now
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underway to try and figure out the logistics to make that happen, to use the red crosses and
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intermediaries as it has done in the past. But there are many outstanding issues that have not
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explained and not been addressed at all, particularly who will govern Gaza next? What about this
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international peace keeping force? And what happens to Hamas' weapons? Hamas has said that it will
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give up its weapons to the future Palestinian leaders of Gaza. But at this stage, it is not clear
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who those future Palestinian leaders are or when they would take power.
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Yeah, you said there's a lot of outstanding issues, but I want to ask you, how soon could we
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possibly see hostages released and possibly even a beginning of an Israeli withdrawal?
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The hostages, it's possible we could see in a relatively short period of time. And that would be
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a major development, an enormous relief, obviously to the hostage families. We've spoken to
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several hostages, families over the last several days, two who have brothers who are still
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believed to be alive. They are waiting on every development here. They are watching this
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extraordinarily closely, but it would also encourage the process itself, because once the hostages
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are out living and dead, then it would make it much more difficult for Israel to justify its
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bombings in Gaza. And even now, as this process is taking place, Israel is still carrying out
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bombings in the Gaza Strip, although I must say in the last 24 hours or so, they have started
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to scale back the attacks, but they are still carrying them. They are still happening almost every
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hour. Yeah, well, definitely going to be watching those negotiations and developments closely.
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Thank you so much, Richard Engel. And thank you all for watching us. We'll be back tomorrow
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