Liverpool's losing streak, Arsenal back on top, and Estêvão as Chelsea's new cult hero: Men in Blazers 10/06/25

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spk_0 I think in most of the games that he's played, he's had one or two chances that

spk_0 most artists would start. And at that point you can't say, well, aren't a slot systems wrong,

spk_0 or his relationship with Isaac isn't right. And I think in the act of missing those chances,

spk_0 that's not really on the manager. If most artists are in a sky one, that's not really on a slots fault.

spk_0 We back! Like the Tennessee Titans, what a weekend, late goals, Liverpool invented them,

spk_0 but like long throws, or Kendrick Lamar boot cut jeans in and become a new trend,

spk_0 sweeping the nation, everyone's doing them now. So Chelsea fans,

spk_0 save it every single second in the style of Enzo Morescar running down that

spk_0 sideline like some bald Italian forest gump. And it's Arsenal Football Club, but when

spk_0 our screaming stop the count, after a new invention for them, a routine win that felt sensational

spk_0 in its own right third place Tottenham. Win at the fighting pit of leads. First, the waiting

spk_0 to win a league game there in 385 days, and no one thunders up to 10th place,

spk_0 louder than Manchester United. Oh, Everton Football Club, also astonishing, and I'm ready

spk_0 to be hurt again, to break it all down, to do it a welcome back. The crown prince of Harrogate,

spk_0 the chocolate orange Efficient Ardo, the Semenio of sentences, I've got to say,

spk_0 Roar, I'm related to see you, because seeing you means you survived. Still me, Amy?

spk_0 Yeah, I'm conscious that by by American standards, our weather feels quite small and insignificant,

spk_0 but it's been windy this weekend, Roar. It's been windy and rainy, and we don't like you

spk_0 That's just the summer in Yorkshire Roar. It has been, I mean, we watched the football, we saw the

spk_0 biblical deluge, and you just utterly doubled in over by venturing to the north of Wales.

spk_0 I did, I made my retts and debut, Roar, in terms of visiting the town, not playing for the team.

spk_0 Tell us how it was, were what? Did you experience in that magical kingdom? I believe you almost bailed

spk_0 through the wind, through the rain, you're like, sod it, you know what, Hamletshire, I really

spk_0 want to risk my life to write a beautiful piece for the world.

spk_0 Well, this is the thing when you are a servant of content, Roar, you have to, you have to make sacrifices.

spk_0 So again, by American standards, the drive from where I live in Yorkshire to Rexham is not long,

spk_0 it's like two and a half hours, but it is quite winding, it's over the over some hills,

spk_0 and there was a point outside Blackburn, which is near Burnley, where I thought, look, it's raining a

spk_0 lot, it's very windy, this isn't the most sort of urgent reason to drive to the other side of

spk_0 the country. So I thought, maybe I'll pull out, maybe I'll just go home and do something else.

spk_0 But when you just drove past that hundred-foot golden statue of JJ Watten, Burnley's outskirts,

spk_0 you're like, you know what, I'm going to press on. Well, his face has been projected into the sky

spk_0 at all times, I don't know if you knew that. But I pressed on, bravely, Roar, I don't want to say it,

spk_0 but bravely. And I got to Rexham and I had a little walk around, went to the club shop, and

spk_0 there's lots of really kind of slightly awestruck and largely American tourists in Rexham now,

spk_0 this happens every home game. It's a real kind of destination, which is the first time anyone has

spk_0 ever said that about Rexham. But the scene that stayed with me was, I went for a little walk

spk_0 in the wind and the rain, round the stadium towards the turf, I thought I might as well

spk_0 don't see the famous turf. The famous pub, the famous pub. And sheltering it from the rain and the

spk_0 wind, just kind of underneath the main stand of the stadium, was the Rexham documentary crew,

spk_0 and the Birmingham documentary crew, just they were playing Birmingham, this was the documentary

spk_0 Derby Rodge. And I waited and watched, waited and watched for a couple of minutes, as I thought it

spk_0 might go a little bit anchorman. I was hoping for them to sort of start using the cameras as

spk_0 blood jurns or using the boom lights as swords or like a cable as a derot. And it didn't, it was all

spk_0 very pleasant and cordial. But it just, you use him. Oh, that's a nice, you know what?

spk_0 Nice tracker camera. No, no, no in camera men, they will have been, they'll have been comparing

spk_0 like technical, technical details about the cameras. Just joling each other by throwing up drones.

spk_0 How am I, can your cam go? There were drones in the sky, Roger. There's always drones in the sky

spk_0 at football matches, but it was, it was the perfect scene as a journalist is the thing you kind of want

spk_0 where you feel as though the heaven, the heavens are smiling on you a little bit because you drive

spk_0 all that way through the wind and the rain and they're kind of unfurling in front of you.

spk_0 Is your lead? Does it was such a weird moment to think that these two teams of people

spk_0 are effectively the Spider-Man meme. They are filming each other, filming. They are creating

spk_0 content about other people creating content. And it was, there was a metanus to that, to it that I

spk_0 really enjoyed. God, that's just amazing. It's like through the looking glass movement where

spk_0 just like wheels within wheels. It's like the Patrushka doll of modern football just, I mean,

spk_0 it's like the Truman Showing, encountering the Kardashian family and being like, oh God,

spk_0 you've got cameras on you all the time, haven't you? Exactly. And whether any of that footage

spk_0 ever gets used, I don't know. But there was a moment where Tom Wagner, the chairman of Birmingham,

spk_0 went into the turf. And it was obviously a kind of set piece. They'd been expecting it. There were

spk_0 people outside the turf making sure that kind of the flow of people were right to allow them to come

spk_0 in. So that is, there will be a scene in the Birmingham documentary of Tom Wagner going into

spk_0 the turf. And there might well be a scene in the rex and documentary, whatever season it's on

spk_0 next, season five, I guess, of the Birmingham documentary being made as Tom Wagner goes into

spk_0 the turf. And I don't know how to compute that, Roger. It's amazing. It's like when you go

spk_0 sometimes into a dressing room in a fancy kind of tailor's and they can get the mirrors just

spk_0 right. So you see eternal you just you looking back at you, looking back at you, looking back at you.

spk_0 And we know, similarly, that's all footballers. I'm sure one documentary will be like, what a plastic

spk_0 team this is. Look, they've got cameras following them. We don't. It's probably like the

spk_0 message of very for these episodes. I'm not in a position to criticise, because I went to rex

spk_0 and through storm Amyrods, bravely, to create content about people creating content, about other

spk_0 people creating content. So I'm part of the problem too. Did you enjoy the stoke chyras rule?

spk_0 It's a great stadium. Yeah, it's not the best weather to enjoy it, because obviously they're

spk_0 redeveloping one of the one of the ends. So what you get is the wind just piling through this wind

spk_0 tunnel to the extent that when they turn the sprinklers on before the day to make sure the

spk_0 the surface was nice and slick, they just fired it at the fans. It was there was a whole section

spk_0 just beneath us where the fans were just suddenly getting drenched. But it's a brilliant atmosphere.

spk_0 It's one of the great stadiums in terms of kind of being evocative if not in terms of being

spk_0 beautiful just yet. But yeah, I was pleased to be there, not just as it was an interesting story,

spk_0 but because it did feel a bit of a hole in my CV that I'd never been to rex and even without

spk_0 the documentary to be honest Raj. Oh God, I'm talking about beautiful stadium and beautiful atmosphere

spk_0 as I want to raise my third first Michel O'Bolture the day to the Hill Dickinson stadium,

spk_0 which is I believe to say a magical kingdom in which Everton proved to the world that joy is

spk_0 possible even for the joyless. I had a great story this week for my oldest friend Jamie Glasman,

spk_0 Jen that talked to my last goodest in Park Derby, third generation blue. He took his own son

spk_0 to the new gaff for the first time. They were sitting right in the corner by that incredibly

spk_0 steep beautiful south stand and they watched in that first half as then undefeated Crystal Palace

spk_0 came in and absolutely let's be honest battered us. And we're actually sitting by a guy, one of those

spk_0 guys. You will have heard them a goodest in Park but still in the Hill Dickinson who they sit

spk_0 kind of close to the pitchside mics. The ones who spend the game swearing, losing their minds,

spk_0 it's quite a beautiful soundtrack to any Everton game. And right before half time, Everton down one

spk_0 nail, James Tarkovsk came to pick up a ball ahead of a throw in and he was right in front of them

spk_0 and the very loud guy screamed, TARC! SOT THEM OUT WILL USE WE'RE CRAP! And Tark just looked at him

spk_0 and said, yeah, I know, I know. I just love that. And it's like the passion, the noise,

spk_0 the glitz, the commercial sheen, or the Premier League. All that keyboard warrior in two,

spk_0 which is anonymous, just two people, a fan and a centre back having an honest conversation

spk_0 mid-game personal connection. And ultimately I like to think changing the game. I love Tark, I love

spk_0 him for his honesty, never changed but that story, it was the essence of Goodest in Park

spk_0 and it is beautiful to know it's carried on into the big dick. Do you think Tarkov went inside at

spk_0 half time having watched Everton get battered by Drusel Palace for 45 minutes and said,

spk_0 this guy outside says we're crap. Do you think we should try not being crap second half?

spk_0 I think that was a tactical switch. I think he was like that guy, that loud mouth. You all know him,

spk_0 A6, Row 1. He had a tactical observation, he said we're crap, yeah, let's try not be.

spk_0 It just made me think that if we were less crap we might win this game. Maybe that's all it took.

spk_0 And then they put their hands in the huddle and just went, let's crap! And broke, it's just

spk_0 beautiful, it's like an incredible scene for the L.P.N. Dark Hick. There is 100%

spk_0 and merchandise line for Everton in the phrase, let's crap. Yeah, yeah, I'd say 32% less, let's

spk_0 aspire to be 32% less crap in this second half, it's the thin margins, let's crap! Quick note

spk_0 before we get to the football, we're about to head into another international break. We've just

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spk_0 half length in which we're delivering daily content from those incredibly passionate souls at the

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spk_0 Also, we're going to be joined by the one and only hurt Gomez, will preview the US men's upcoming

spk_0 games, which will be released on Thursday and Friday, got a new episode of the captain,

spk_0 with our friend Tyler Adams as well as the juice live with Clint Dempsey at the conclusion of the

spk_0 US and Ecuador game on Friday night, please God, it's a big week, can be with us here to be

spk_0 able to sign up for every VAMOS platform, all the links are in the show notes, but let's get

spk_0 to the football and start at Stanford Bridge Raw. Chelsea too gives me no pleasure to say this

spk_0 Liverpool won, how the turn tables, and before the game Chelsea come again, a team but drag all

spk_0 two losses following two red cards in the lead, that three wants stomping at Brighton,

spk_0 you can't keep giving away presents, said Enzo Morescar, a man started to fill a bit,

spk_0 a bit loose tooth in that quite unforgiving demanding culture at Chelsea, entering with a

spk_0 patched up back four, the club World Cup victory seems honestly like it was years ago, but for Liverpool,

spk_0 best of times worst of times as well, to gold dickens on your asses Liverpool,

spk_0 probably the most enigmatic team in English football right now stumbling in after back-to-back

spk_0 losses, which are made there immortal mentality monitoring and vintessability of those first five

spk_0 games seem more like a two-pay on the ball, lots of extra essential questions coming in,

spk_0 also Alisson, Al with a hamstring injury for about six weeks in K-Mama Dash Fili for his

spk_0 Premier League debut, E-Zac, leading the line, Eckert, he came to the bench alongside

spk_0 Vert, you'd lost the Gallicassar I midweek, big Vert said then, there shouldn't be panic,

spk_0 but improvement is needed, and this game didn't start with improvement, it was KG,

spk_0 until the 14th minute where Mamash Vili and Van Dyke gave away a throw in for which Chelsea fed

spk_0 the ball, to Marla Gusto, he drew Van Dyke, like Kys Ado run into so much bloody space, really a

spk_0 symbol of Liverpool midfields disorganisation, and Kys Ado just said, sold it, just put his foot

spk_0 through the ball, he lashed it, laced it 20-ish yards out, I mean you could have had Mamash

spk_0 Vili and Alisson in goal and you wouldn't have prevented that ball from going in, it was surface

spk_0 to where I miss all of them. Yeah, but it would have helped if someone in the midfield had

spk_0 tackled him or if Vert or Van Dyke had closed him down, what was really strange about that was that

spk_0 he was standing what, 20, like you say, 20, 22 yards out on the edge of the Liverpool Vops,

spk_0 and there was nobody near him, and as much as the game at that stage didn't really have any shape,

spk_0 particularly it was still so early, it hadn't kind of taken on its final form, it was a very Liverpool

spk_0 moment, not just in the last week, but the entirety of this season that there have just been

spk_0 these sudden moments where whatever the system is, whatever the system is meant to be, just kind

spk_0 of shuts down. I mean let's talk about the system, we're right after that goal, we'll get to this

spk_0 in a minute, Peter Dury said he saw Sobber Sly go mad at Mo Salah for not tracking back, which

spk_0 kind of throttles Liverpool's ability to counterpress, we'll get to Mo in a sec, but I mean really

spk_0 there were problems as you say all over that field in that first half, remember Liverpool hadn't lost

spk_0 three in a row in three years, they had plenty of time to get themselves back into it, but what

spk_0 how they responded was just like slop everywhere, underhit passes, overhit passes, from everybody

spk_0 Gravenburg, Mo, Gackpau, Kirkhez, all looked like they'd barely played together before, couldn't

spk_0 connect, the midfield in particular a lot like they've just been introduced to each other in the

spk_0 tunnel, McCallister doing a lot of scrutiny, he seemed to be playing this if he's like, had a piece

spk_0 of Lego jammed in his boot, well last season we marveled all year at the idea of possession for

spk_0 this team, the idea of possession evaporated. Yeah one of the things that's been there's been

spk_0 really striking to me in this last week is how many of Liverpool's problems are self-inflicted,

spk_0 and it wasn't quite as true against Chelsea for reasons that I think we'll come to as it had been

spk_0 in the Crystal Palace or Dallatastor Eye, but I don't think if you take that Dallatastor

spk_0 Eye game as the example, I don't think Dallatastor Eye actually opened Liverpool up at all, I think

spk_0 what happened was that occasionally once every ten minutes or so Liverpool just gave the ball to

spk_0 their opponents, and obviously if that happens your whole team is not set, you're not kind of

spk_0 in the right place, you don't have the coverage, you're massively exposed, and I don't quite understand

spk_0 the cause of it because yeah as you say McCallister has been a little bit of a lightning rod for it,

spk_0 he doesn't look fit, he doesn't look like he is ready to play 60 minutes, maybe even 45 minutes

spk_0 of a Premier League football match, I presume he is because slot keeps putting him in the team,

spk_0 and Anaslot wouldn't be thinking, do you know what, I'll just give it a go and see if he's okay

spk_0 today, he will have, there will be all the data, there will be the performance stuff,

spk_0 like Alexis McCallister will be performing in training in such a way that Anaslot thinks

spk_0 he can do an hour, but watching him play, he is a shadow of his former self,

spk_0 what I don't know and what I'm not qualified to know Raj, is whether that is something to do with

spk_0 the players themselves under performing, that it's just that they are, they found it difficult to

spk_0 return to the levels of last season, that there's a little bit of an issue in terms of confidence,

spk_0 that they feel, I don't know, they feel in some way unable to express themselves to the best of

spk_0 their ability, there's also a kind of other factor which people are slightly reticent to refer to,

spk_0 which is the impact of losing Diode Oggiato, which I think we have to continue to acknowledge as a

spk_0 factor, even if we maybe can't discuss it in depth until the Liverpool players themselves come out

spk_0 and say we feel that this needs to be talked about, or whether it's something to do with a system,

spk_0 because there are a number of new players in that team, there are a number of new ideas in that

spk_0 team, there are different focal points, different embassies, and I wonder whether they are having a

spk_0 hard time adapting to what is now expected of them without reverting to what they used to do,

spk_0 and what you have effectively is kind of a confusion, they look like a team a little bit caught

spk_0 between two stalls, there's part of them saying, this is how we used to play, this is what we used to

spk_0 let's do this, but they know they manage or want something else, something slightly different,

spk_0 and in the white heat of a game, they're not sure which one to pick. I mean that is fascinating,

spk_0 and the Jota issue will come back to before we close, because as you say it is a complete

spk_0 conjecture and a complete unknown, and we can only kind of use empathy as our guide,

spk_0 but also two things can be true, there can be football reasons and non-football reasons,

spk_0 and looking at these football reasons, I keep thinking about Sabah's last season came on the show,

spk_0 talked about how I asked him, what do you see when you look over at slot, you used to clop going

spk_0 mad on the sideline, slot's just standing there, and he said, I see a man with a plan, that plan

spk_0 is working, I've said this a couple of times, when they're not sure of that plan, I'd love to know

spk_0 what they see right now, because the closest they came in that first off was a a wafted

spk_0 cellar crosshead, and he was by Ezekiel, got his body shape or wrong, really emblematic of

spk_0 just the unsink-a-plated play in that first off, they're there in body, but not in spirit,

spk_0 and we do have to talk about Mo Salah for a moment, 33-year-old, we have sung ballads,

spk_0 about his consistency, his consistency and the authority, show on show on show, we've got to say

spk_0 he's struggling to forge a relationship with his friend of mine colleagues, he's talked about it

spk_0 when he came on, he said it does take time, but just as critical, he's got no trend

spk_0 out there on, he's just flashing and slashing, coming up behind him, and it's all compounded in,

spk_0 so we have not seen in a long, long time with Mo Salah in the Premier League, his shooting accuracy

spk_0 seems to have gone completely, it's almost like, it's almost like an old oak tree which has been

spk_0 uprooted and then replanted in New Soil rule, and it's almost yet to adapt to the new surround.

spk_0 Yeah, and that kind of explains the kind of overall downturn in his performance, like watching

spk_0 Salah now, he doesn't look quite as involved as in previous years, he looks a little bit short

spk_0 of confidence. The kind of flip side to that is that I think in most of the games that he's played,

spk_0 he's had one or two chances that Mo Salah should score. At Stanford Bridge there were I think two

spk_0 or three where he cuts inside, he beats a man, that's the thing, he's in the Mo Salah position,

spk_0 and at that point you can't say, well, aren't a slot systems wrong, or his relationship with

spk_0 these, that isn't right, because he's in the Mo Salah position and his job is to do the Mo Salah

spk_0 thing, and he doesn't do it. And I think as much as there are structural issues with Liverpool's

spk_0 performances, as much as I think both of these defeats in the lead and the extra one in the Champions

spk_0 lead have been pretty much deserved, narrow but deserved. And as much as I think to be honest,

spk_0 Liverpool are relatively lucky to have 15 points rather than fewer than that. There have been plenty

spk_0 of times in games where they've had chances, and if the chance goes in, then the whole situation

spk_0 is completely different because the state of the game changes. Galatasaray is the clearest example

spk_0 of that, Hudo-Etti-T-K should score, Hudo-Etti-T-K does not score, Galatasaray gets a penalty,

spk_0 and so instead of forcing Galatasaray to come out, and thereby creating more space behind them,

spk_0 Liverpool have to chase a lead, and Galatasaray perfectly tombs to all defending it,

spk_0 Sameer H's Palace, Sameer H's Chelsea, Liverpool don't take their chances, and that gives the

spk_0 opposition the chance to kind of play the game that they want to play. And I think in the act of missing

spk_0 those chances, it sounds a bit basic and a bit reductive. That's not really on the manager.

spk_0 If most others don't astray one, from the edge of the box, where normally in every other year

spk_0 of his time in England, he would score, or at least it untired it, then that's not really on a

spk_0 spot. Yeah, I feel for H-E-T-K, you talk about footballers grappling when they have two

spk_0 instructions in their mind at crucial moments, when he pulls his foot back and he says to himself,

spk_0 I'm about to keep my shirt on, do I take it off, and which one is it? I can't remember!

spk_0 It's hard. These reviews into store goals in case he takes his shirt off, it's the safest way,

spk_0 Roger. It is, it's the fight or flight of that moment, it just must be, we may more or

spk_0 or less, kind of even relate, but into the second half. You know, an example of it, Liverpool

spk_0 moved sober slider right back, flung, Fertz on. I've had producer Jelisa Kesterdale,

spk_0 he's massive, massive red. She texted me when he came on. She said, Fertz is like some

spk_0 ornate piece of couture that Liverpool bought from a Paris fashion week, got it home,

spk_0 and just have no idea how to wear properly. And when he's told on this piece of couture,

spk_0 and I think within a couple of seconds to sublime touch, he's set up Mo Salah to your point,

spk_0 for a chance he would have lashed home last season, slotted. Why, he just got the mechanics

spk_0 all wrong this. And 55 minutes in slot, it's going to be said truly juggling his options here.

spk_0 For a smallly aggraven burkin at centre back alongside Soberzvi, it was so mad,

spk_0 getting cut as tuned into the midfield. I mean, Liverpool essentially tried to get the tempo up

spk_0 by playing two lines of midfield. Chelsea were reduced for a spell to just foraging,

spk_0 and 63rd minute, it clicked, soberzvi thrashed across. He's afflicted it deliciously.

spk_0 I thought he meant this, ton of pundits said, heavy touch, but I am completely sure. Completely

spk_0 sure that he meant this. It was just, oh, the touch of a tenderlover, Gagpau, Hulk smash toe.

spk_0 I mean, this was Chelsea, remember, with both centre backs, with A, when they were playing,

spk_0 they were so young, bad that's still 19 year old, a champong so, so good. But they had three full

spk_0 backs on by full time. What did you think in that moment when you scored? We honestly,

spk_0 be honest. We like, game on. I know how this one ends. Can I fall like that?

spk_0 I'm maybe more pessimistic than you. My sense was that I've seen this before, and that

spk_0 not that long ago, and that Liverpool are too open and too unreliable at the moment,

spk_0 to inconsistent, to be sure of anything. But you do feel at the same time, and I think this

spk_0 isn't necessarily just a Liverpool fan thing. You look at the talent of the players on the pitch,

spk_0 and there is a working assumption that at some point, it's going to be like, oh, actually,

spk_0 this is how this works. Oh, yeah. And against the Chelsea team, as you say, that... Backline.

spk_0 That backline. That started with their first choice central defenders out. I think their third

spk_0 choice central defender out. And then proceeded to lose all of their central defenders to injury.

spk_0 You think, well, there is a point at which, okay, Liverpool are a little bit uncertain at the back.

spk_0 They are still too open, but there is so much attacking talent on the pitch.

spk_0 You should be able to break them down again. You should be able to find your way through

spk_0 this Mate Shift Chelsea backline at least once more. Yeah, I don't know where Todd Bully is in the

spk_0 centre-back death shot left for Chelsea. I mean, they have gone through centre-backs like,

spk_0 like, Cleveland Brown's had gone to quarterbacks, but I mean, again,

spk_0 conversation from the other time, a legacy of the club will cut just so many injuries for so many

spk_0 players who had to play in that and then not prepare properly for the craziness of the season.

spk_0 But as a result, Liverpool, I did expect them to go on. I've seen this movie before. It's

spk_0 almost like police academy five. I've seen it so many times here. I don't know if this is a word,

spk_0 they're plenty of maraudings. But Chelsea, so useful, so bloody fearless. In this one, they kept

spk_0 coming bravely. Two huge saves within seconds of each other for my match, Vley. And lay on both

spk_0 teams, we're just tearing into each other. It was really remarkable to witness as a complete

spk_0 neutral, I assure you. It was desperate. They were almost clawing at each other. Huge admiration

spk_0 for Chelsea. God knows, no, again, they were doing it without Cole Palmer. An esterv out had

spk_0 looked like a live wire in a late cameo since he came on. He was really fatigued in the Premier League

spk_0 after having to wait so long after being signed for this moment. He was bloody fearless. 96 minutes,

spk_0 sweeping move from Chelsea. Constructed from their own box, Enzo Fernandez,

spk_0 kicks the ball to Cucurrea. He reached the by-line. I've got to say crediting for the incredibly

spk_0 arch ball that he swept across the face of the box. And it was esterv out who sprung upon it with

spk_0 with teenage kicks almost beat. Is it 87 year old Andy Roberts under the far post angled it

spk_0 beautifully into the net. Row in that moment, it was like seeing Steve as a Chelsea fan's

spk_0 ball and Steve a new hero ball. And I don't know what must have felt for him just roaring

spk_0 away first official goal. I saw videos this weekend of a two year old girl in the pool.

spk_0 It was named a living goddess to incredible scenes over there. And I don't like to be hyperbolic

spk_0 raw, but this felt eerily similar. Maybe that's pushing it a little bit, Raj. But they have not

spk_0 really, they have not really high hopes for Estaball Willie. And he is, you know, the reports from

spk_0 Brazil when they signed him were this is the best kid we've seen since Vinicius. Chelsea,

spk_0 I think, had been really impressed by how quickly he's taken to the Premier League. He has needed a

spk_0 little bit of adaptation time. He'll be in and out of the team. But as you say, he was a jolt

spk_0 of electricity in that game. He kind of in live and again helped to turn the tide. There was a

spk_0 point maybe 15 minutes ago where Liverpool looked like they were starting to turn the screw a

spk_0 little bit. And Chelsea partly thanks to Estaball, partly thanks to Romeo Lavia. I think

spk_0 managed to sort of rest it back. And you saw the reaction from the players from the stadium,

spk_0 but above all from Moreska. I don't think I've ever seen anyone move that fast in public in

spk_0 Torpe leisureware, which does admittedly undercut the emotion of the moment. But it was a really

spk_0 big goal for Chelsea because all the circumstances that we've been talking about that mean Liverpool

spk_0 should have won or should have, you know, performed better. That all applies to Chelsea in reverse,

spk_0 doesn't it? This was a team that was without Troll Palmer as you say their best player that had

spk_0 lost basically all of their central defenders, playing the champions and they had managed to

spk_0 conjure a victory when maybe they might have been even resigned themselves to a draw in other

spk_0 circumstances. And that's the sort of result that turned really kind of ignite a season.

spk_0 Massive, massive. When you look at it particularly after the, I mean, just the absolute agony of the

spk_0 past couple of weeks where Chelsea's own fans had directed at Moreska for being too cautious,

spk_0 too far too conservative. And you could see in that run, you can completely write when he ran

spk_0 down the sideline screaming almost like the red card is mine this week and Mofo's having you

spk_0 could see the joy. You could see the relief using in equal measure is both of those emotions for

spk_0 that man so much job speculation for that German so many injuries. As I say, a lot of anger

spk_0 from the fan base directed at him for his tactics, for his substitutions. And on this day,

spk_0 so courageous, so fearless, no call Palmer, his sun and moon, but still so positive against

spk_0 the champions rule. Really, this was a game to be continued. We got a point. Let's see this out.

spk_0 Everything he did was just coax that extra ounce of belief out of his Royal Young collective.

spk_0 It was humanly remarkable. It was and as you say, he had been under a lot of pressure.

spk_0 It was starting to mount as it always does at Chelsea whenever results aren't great for a couple

spk_0 of weeks. There was this sort of lingering sense that maybe Moreska was starting to lose the

spk_0 backing of the ever changing higher RTI at Chelsea than the number of political factions who

spk_0 have control at Chelsea. It's very hard to keep track of, but apparently some of them had stopped

spk_0 liking Moreska. And I think you could see all that in the celebration because that was, you know,

spk_0 it is it is October. Do you know what I mean? It's not it's not the end of the season. That's not

spk_0 taking you to the Champions League final. But the emotion in that moment was genuine and sincere

spk_0 and pure. And I think at least part of it was just Moreska knows that this will have brought him

spk_0 quite a lot of time, but what him quite a lot of credit, both internally inside the club,

spk_0 but also with the fans who are, I think it Chelsea quite difficult to please now. I think it's a

spk_0 tricky club to succeed Chelsea just because expectations are so high and they're kind of out of

spk_0 step with what the model is in terms of the players that you've got. Yeah, it's constantly, I mean,

spk_0 if you have to constantly win it's like being at a blackjack table and you're constantly given a

spk_0 15 or a 16 in terms of how and then working out how you want to play it. But God bless for

spk_0 Moreska on this day and for Liverpool. She said well played Premier League script writers, well played

spk_0 late goals. Really a sadant masochistic love affair. After all those early winners, Liverpool

spk_0 lose back to bat league games for the first time in the slot era on goals scored in the 97th and 95th

spk_0 minutes. That is, I mean, there's a poetry in that third straight loss for the first time.

spk_0 There's a lot of things I want to ask you here, Rolf, and the pure football which we'll begin with

spk_0 to the truly existential. So first of all, let me ask you something pure about the game.

spk_0 We're in the 94th minute. Point was going to be fine here at Stanford Bridge. Fine point.

spk_0 Defeat would be a disaster optically going into an international break. Why did it on a slot

spk_0 who's been complaining and weeks passed about individual players being reckless late on?

spk_0 Why did he leave the game so open and his own formation? So stretched no shape. Jamie Kerricker

spk_0 been banging the drum that he sees slots tactics and he is wide open as a basketball game.

spk_0 It was astonishing to risk that narrative flip here. Your team are still jelling,

spk_0 but to leave them open that late when a draw would have been fine to me, that's hard to fully

spk_0 understand. He's now got to spend the whole international break fighting the optics of

spk_0 tabloid fire. Yeah, I guess the problem with the question, Rolf, is we don't know for certain

spk_0 that that was slot's intention. I mean, it might be, I guess, that his view was if you

spk_0 sink back, if you drop deep, you're inviting trouble. And that's how a lot of managers think that

spk_0 if you don't too defensive, it's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy and against the team with

spk_0 the quality of Chelsea, even if it's your own and unreliable and inconsistent, then that would

spk_0 be a problem. I wonder to an extent whether Liverpool are predicated on the fact that

spk_0 the rewards for going for a win from that position are far greater than the cost in terms of

spk_0 pure points, not in terms of narrative, except I agree with you completely on the narrative.

spk_0 The rewards of success, if you win that game, are much greater than the cost if you lose it.

spk_0 But also, it might just be that Chelsea were on the pitch too, more than one team has agency,

spk_0 that's one of the complicating factors with football. It might be that slot wanted to control it

spk_0 and couldn't. I mean, this is new now, irrespective, full of up all under Anna slot. It's been,

spk_0 this is incredible. Over a year, I think 24 September, 2024, since Anna slots team, when at least

spk_0 level on points at the top of the Premier League table. So going slightly bigger picture,

spk_0 when all the new bodies in the transfer window started to arrive, just superstar after superstar,

spk_0 or young prodigy arriving, and we're all absolutely just looking on a gas. I corresponded with

spk_0 someone at Liverpool and said, I text them and said, God, you're becoming a super team,

spk_0 like an NBA super team, and he immediately texted me back a photo of the 2014 Brooklyn Nets.

spk_0 And said, don't say that. The problem with super teams is they rarely work because everybody wants

spk_0 the ball and it is fascinating to me, Rour. This is now on on a slot to fix, last season.

spk_0 We saw his ideas bedded onto the, the echo almost of Klops ideas, like, you know,

spk_0 like Ars and Venger is seen to have inherited the quite defensively robust George Graham's physicality,

spk_0 and that led to in the early years his most dominant, Arsenal teams in the same way,

spk_0 lesser, but Roberto Martinez, they're evident, a very attacking football that had his best season,

spk_0 immediately after he inherited David Moe's defensive muscle there. On and out has to adapt

spk_0 a new squad, you know, distance now from the club era to his new philosophy on the flight. This is

spk_0 this is very much on on a slot now. Yeah, do you know, you'll be unsurprised to learn, Rage,

spk_0 that I have quite a lot of thoughts on this subject. I don't want to kind of overwhelm anybody.

spk_0 I think that point that the alloy tends to be stronger than the base metal is true,

spk_0 and that there are countless examples of that throughout football, that managers who come in with

spk_0 a new set of ideas and kind of graft them onto to what went before tends to be quite successful.

spk_0 I suppose the flip side to that is that there is still quite a lot of clop elements in this team,

spk_0 you know, for all that they've signed a lot of players this summer, Alice Inverge of Undyte,

spk_0 Trenate, Salah, Jones, McAllister, Sober's Lied, Gravenbergs, they are all clop players. My feeling

spk_0 of lots of men, and this is maybe more of a fan than a professional neutral observer,

spk_0 is I wonder whether slots moved a little too quickly to get those players into the team.

spk_0 I remember when Liverpool signed Andy Robertson from Whole City, which was not nearly as exciting

spk_0 as them signed in Alexander E's Act from Newcastle. Robertson basically didn't appear for four

spk_0 months. He just wasn't there, because the left back spot was being held by Alberto Moreno,

spk_0 and I don't know if you remember Alberto Moreno, Rage, but he wasn't really good.

spk_0 And the assumption among the fans was, well, Robertson's obviously been brought as a backup. He was

spk_0 £8 million, £11 million from Whole. They'd been relegated. He's British, so he can't

spk_0 count as homegrown. He's obviously just kind of a squad player, fringe, maybe even a flip,

spk_0 maybe, you know, Liverpool keeping for a year or two, then selling them on for £12 million

spk_0 to Sunderland or West Ham or someone. And then in like December, Andy Robertson appeared in the

spk_0 Liverpool team and was instantly amazing. And you thought, oh, so that's what they've been doing,

spk_0 they've been getting him used to the system. It has surprised me the speed with which slot

spk_0 has kind of put everyone in that team. If I wonder whether it might, and it's, you know,

spk_0 I can't sit here and tell a manager how to do their jobs, but I've got to admit, even when the

spk_0 money was flowing and the signings were rolling in, I was expecting the transition from one thing

spk_0 to the next to be much slower. I thought it maybe wouldn't be December January until we saw

spk_0 a Liverpool team that had Kirchhez and Frimpon and EZAC and Etiti K in it, whereas he's kind of

spk_0 done it immediately. And I actually think the problem he's one of the problems he's got is that

spk_0 he's now caught a little bit between two stalls that Liverpool are trying to become

spk_0 armour slots Liverpool. And because it's not working, there will be something in the players'

spk_0 brains. And I think increasingly in slots brain saying, well, we could just switch back to that.

spk_0 So Florian Verts has been dropped, you know, the last two games he not started, I think,

spk_0 in the Premier League, which has made him a little bit of a cross-celebration as though he's

spk_0 the problem. I don't think that's necessarily true, but it strikes me that slot is looking at

spk_0 the team and thinking, I need to find something that I can kind of rely on effectively.

spk_0 And what do you rely on? A 433. God, I mean, it is fascinating also, once you've,

spk_0 once you've started with these players, like, you kind of like, if you drop them now, you're

spk_0 destroying their confidence. It's like, you can't ease, there's no easing, easing these

spk_0 human beings in, they're in. Or they're out now, but you can't, once you've put them in,

spk_0 you can't undo that. Yeah, it's really uneasy that if you take them out, and I think

spk_0 the versus, this is happening to him too, and it's then already, is that an implicit criticism

spk_0 of their performance? At what point do you make that switch back to a system in which Florian

spk_0 Verts can thrive? And I think I do wonder basically whether slot has played it wrong, that

spk_0 the misstep has been going for it, you know, all out, here's the new team, this is what we're

spk_0 doing now, we're going to stick with it. And then starting to think when performance is and

spk_0 then results have kind of varied a little bit, you kind of change back, and it's all maybe,

spk_0 maybe the midfield, sobs like Graven Merchandre McAllister as it was at its Chelsea,

spk_0 because you're not solving the problem, you're just delaying it. So I wonder whether,

spk_0 although Liverpool might be on even for some time, you're better in the long run, just saying,

spk_0 actually, this is what we want to be in the future, so that's what we're going to do, we're going

spk_0 to make this work. So otherwise, everything gets very muddled. The problem is, and I think this

spk_0 is genuinely interesting, a lot of people here certainly have said, oh, you know, maybe this is Liverpool's

spk_0 transition season, that's a little bit kind given the amount of money they spent in the summer,

spk_0 maybe if you spend that much, you don't get a transition season. But also, even if it is a transition

spk_0 season, every game is Liverpool, though, the champions are one of the biggest clubs in the country.

spk_0 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

spk_0 Transition season can't be defending the title season. Those two narratives do have the combined.

spk_0 And they certainly can't be your season after spending $500 million in the transfer market,

spk_0 you don't get a transition season, and even if the figures were less, and the honours last year

spk_0 hadn't come, I don't think Liverpool get a transition season. I think Manchester United,

spk_0 like Arsenal, like Chelsea, the expectation is you win every game. And if you don't, you will be

spk_0 criticised and you will be under pressure, and there will be questions asked. And I think the problem

spk_0 that slot has is that, look, they've lost two games to goals in the 95th and 97th minute, both

spk_0 away from home, both the games teams will finish in the top 10 of the Premier League. Chelsea,

spk_0 theoretical title contenders, panicked when they played them before they went to Fortress Hill

spk_0 Dickinson with the form team in Europe. Like on the surface, they're not, obviously not good

spk_0 results, but they're not terrible results. You know, it's understandable to lose those games.

spk_0 And certainly in a transition season, you'd be like, well, that's the sort of thing that can happen.

spk_0 But look at the scrutiny that they're under. There is no such thing as a transition season.

spk_0 It doesn't exist in elite football at that level.

spk_0 To use Pundit tour, this is Liverpool Football Club we're talking about, Ro,

spk_0 and the fascinating point is, as we head into the international break, which is the real Liverpool,

spk_0 were those first five games and those lately winners there, a false friend? I mean, when you

spk_0 took our easing players in, it was working until it didn't, and we do not know what the true Liverpool

spk_0 is. And as you hinted earlier, I do want to wrap with this, the one thing that we have zero insight

spk_0 into, but remains an enormous, I'd say in a knowing, a shadow cast inextricably over the

spk_0 entire season, is the impact of the game's shooters death, the loss, the mourning, the impact

spk_0 of grief on this collective. If you're tempted to write in and say, you know, we all deal with

spk_0 loss, you just get on with it, don't you? I'd just say, you know, spare yourself the time on this

spk_0 because football locker rooms are both a fragile cultures and be this is unprecedented in the

spk_0 modern period to have that kind of loss in a moment of title victory and the scrutiny. And then

spk_0 just not there the next year in this deeply, deeply public, globally public reality in which

spk_0 the personal sense of loss we all feel when you lose someone you love is experience both privately,

spk_0 but also with immense collective mourning in ritual that's constantly surrounding you,

spk_0 essentially in the workplace, Liverpool are going to work often. And now, you know, having to mourn

spk_0 publicly, collectively, and as you said, the Liverpool players have not talked about it very much,

spk_0 they understandably asked the interviewers to avoid the topic completely in the preseason out

spk_0 of respect for the players who were essentially mourners in this moment. But raw, post-game

spk_0 version of Andite did say this, he said, I've said repeatedly, this season will be tough.

spk_0 It was always going to be ups and downs for multiple reasons that we shouldn't forget,

spk_0 all we have to do is stick together. Raw, these footballers are human, playing them its grief and

spk_0 sorrow, grief at times can focus you, but grief can also at very much times, it can tell you apart.

spk_0 Yeah, do you know, I've seen a lot of people saying kind of, oh, you know, everyone deals with loss,

spk_0 which is absolutely true, and you know, you still have to go to work, which is also absolutely

spk_0 true. But I think it's fair to say that in most jobs, you can maybe phone it in for a bit,

spk_0 that if you're going through something, whatever it might be, and you are not, you know,

spk_0 fully across your market in presentation, or you are not as, you know, productive in terms of numbers,

spk_0 as you might be, you'll get away with it. I think one of the things that is continually missed

spk_0 about elite sports as a whole, probably not just soccer, or that's obviously the bit that I know about,

spk_0 is how much of a difference, even the slightest dip can make, and people say, you know,

spk_0 you know, if you're 10% off it, no footballer is ever 10% off it, ever, not even the ever-to-ones.

spk_0 They might be 0.0, 0.0, 0.5% off it, they might just not be quite, they might not even know

spk_0 that they're off it. They're talking about these tiny infinitesimal percentages.

spk_0 And yeah, it's inconceivable that the grief that Liverpool's players and those players elsewhere

spk_0 who knew Jotter are going through isn't going to affect their performances in some way.

spk_0 For people like Pedro Netto, who was really close to him, he'll be hugely affected,

spk_0 but he doesn't have those daily reminders of Jotter's absence. He might be able to go into work

spk_0 and use it as an escape. Liverpool's players don't have that escape. It is inconceivable it's not

spk_0 affecting them. They may not realise it's affecting them. It doesn't explain all of the football

spk_0 in shortcomings, as you say, Raj, two things can be true at once. But I think it's a real test for

spk_0 us, as I've said this before, that it's really easy to pay lip service to this stuff, to say,

spk_0 oh, you know, it's got to be kind to Liverpool players. But what's wrong with Ebrahim, a canate?

spk_0 And I think it's a real test of how we cover football, of how we talk about football,

spk_0 as content creators, people in the content minds, Raj and fans. Because you have to have some

spk_0 level of understanding. Yes, you have to go to work. But there is absolutely no guarantee that

spk_0 you can perform to your maximum. And the people that you are watching play football have to perform

spk_0 to their maximum. Does if they even slip by the tiniest percentage point, they lose football matches

spk_0 and you shout at them. So it is, it's a real test, it's a real challenge. And I think it's

spk_0 totally understandable that Liverpool are taking the stance that they don't want it to be brought

spk_0 up. It feels quite glib talking about it before the Liverpool players have talked about it.

spk_0 But you're right. I thought the same thing about that Vandite quote. That's the first time I've

spk_0 even heard it, a bleakly referred to by a player, which makes me think he thinks that it's not

spk_0 being factored in enough. And I think that these players are very much core. If they do start

spk_0 talking about it, it's going to, you know, by, let's just say the football conversation is not

spk_0 that kind. It's not that empathetic. It is deeply part of them to have it thrown back in their

spk_0 face. It all they can be is fairly mum, fairly stoic publicly. I think, well, I think we will have

spk_0 to wait probably years to find out exactly the story of this season. But I do wait for them. There's

spk_0 a line that John Irving wrote. I think in a prayer for Owen Meeney. When someone you love dies,

spk_0 and you're not expecting it, you don't lose her all at once. You lose her in pieces over a long

spk_0 time. The way the male stops coming and a scent fades from the pillows and even from the clothes

spk_0 in a closet and drawers gradually, you accumulate the parts of her that are gone. And just when the

spk_0 date comes, when there's a particular missing part that overwhelms you with the feeling that she's

spk_0 gone forever, there comes another day and another specifically missing part. So I just say, God

spk_0 bless to all. I love a pool. And just as they hadn't won the league, when there were five points ahead

spk_0 after, was it five games? They all bow new means out of it. Now they've had this stumble. There

spk_0 is so much football twist and turn to come. But earlier in the day, I mean, that's how it was a wild

spk_0 day. It seemed very boring until the, the, the, the, the, the Premier League skit races revealed

spk_0 why they had allowed the things to simmer down a little bit. But this game, Arsenal 2, West Hamdale,

spk_0 McKellart etter had survived the opening goal. That have quite brutal games. Those damn

spk_0 fixtures list early on. But they've done it bloody admirably. Seven wins was it one loss, one

spk_0 draw, five clean sheets had revealed their multiple goal threats, which is new cover for every

spk_0 position. Starters, finishes, I think they're just one goal, conceded in open play, enter new

spk_0 no's West Ham. Yet you, you leader, you hand pan king in a second game. Psychological challenge

spk_0 really, because the hammers remember had been the winners of the last two at the Emirates.

spk_0 Hard to believe even Graham Potter won there. And kneecapping Arsenal's last two title charges.

spk_0 So, Ateca rang up 300 games in charge at Arsenal by unleashing SACCA, Erdogard, Aze, and Yoko Res

spk_0 for the first time as a super four. It didn't last long. Arsenal locked down possession, asserted

spk_0 dominance, but an Erdogard limped off. I think was it half an hour? Deadly lasted, sustaining

spk_0 quote a medial collateral ligament injury. We'll have to wait to see how long that keeps

spk_0 him out of. We do need to know what an agony it was to watch him. He just bounced back from

spk_0 injury, just played his most complete game, ran the game against the Olympiacos midweek, but grim

spk_0 statistic rule. Erdogard became the first player in Premier League history to be substituted

spk_0 before half time in three straight Premier League starts. Metal face T3 in our discord channel,

spk_0 wrote Erdogard must start playing with football shoulder pads and volleyball knee pads,

spk_0 immediately. It's an agony to witness. Yeah, it does feel as though the injuries are sort of

spk_0 curtailing what should be his peak years a little bit. And I don't know how you get out of that,

spk_0 because the schedule is so relentless that I'm not sure he has time or chance to like recover

spk_0 fully, because Arsenal, you know, they Arsenal time to fall to weight. If they were mid table and

spk_0 it was April and nothing was going to happen, you could maybe say, do you know what Martin,

spk_0 take the next two months off, just get ready. Fine, but you can't do that. It's October,

spk_0 they're in the thick of the title race. They'll have ambitions, aspirations of winning the Champions

spk_0 leaders. Well, they are one of the world's leading football teams. He is there still their sort of

spk_0 centrifugal creative force. He will want to be back. The team will want to have him back. He

spk_0 improves them. So does that mean that he's permanently playing in this sort of slightly suboptimal,

spk_0 slightly just short of full fitness state? And that seems to be what kind of brings him to the

spk_0 edge so readily? Yeah, I mean, it's an agony for Arsenal fans who watch the game in the flesh. If

spk_0 you do, you see just how much Martin Erdogard outside of the how he touches the ball is actually

spk_0 a teta's leader on the field's trigger in the press, speaking to them. He really is the

spk_0 conductor of that entire team, massive, massive loss. But Arsenal broke through in the 38 minutes

spk_0 stunning through ball from Zubimendi and Le Jaze. Stungary Ole's palms have a low drive for

spk_0 the keeping it honestly quite well to punch away. Felt to have course it was in. Declan Rice

spk_0 swept the ball home with admirable control, even more control in not celebrating Raw. I mean,

spk_0 yes, he was a hammer. But since he left, I think West Ham fans have honestly as much as they beat

spk_0 Arsenal, they seem to take even more pleasure in singing. You should have stayed with a big club

spk_0 and just be here. I've got to say, I watched that moment for I will never play poker with Declan

spk_0 Rice's poker faces so admirable. I think he used more energy to not celebrate Raw than he did

spk_0 actually to score the goal. I would have said it was halfway to a celebration though.

spk_0 There wasn't a full-on turnaround to what back to the centre-circle. There was a little bit of

spk_0 running when he jumped behind the goal. I'd say that the act of jogging behind the goal is a

spk_0 base-trenorted but it was still a celebration. If he stores it in at the next year, I think

spk_0 he's certainly shirt off. I think we have to send this to the celebration police, the Supreme Court

spk_0 for a ruling. When does a celebration begin? That's like, you know, in baseball, when do you actually

spk_0 break the risk between a ball and a strike for a hit? When technically does a celebration

spk_0 at ZBXA? I did watch that and I thought, it's happening and then he's just like, whoom.

spk_0 There were a couple of little looks back over his shoulder as well, which was I think to the

spk_0 section of the Emirates where the away fans sit. They would be the West Ham fans and he's just

spk_0 trying to look in back at them. Is he saying, could Ketishley, you might celebrate this time,

spk_0 you know, am I going to? No. To your point, he's laying the foundation for his next goal.

spk_0 I love. I think next season's shirt off, season after that full strip.

spk_0 Yeah. And then season after that, you'll have like a in gangster writing. It'll be like,

spk_0 FU hammers. Yeah. Or just just the word mill wall across his chest.

spk_0 Oh, do it now, baby. I'm going to say, West Ham's tactics were the late Manchester cities.

spk_0 And I say that not in a good way. But I like the poor man's Manchester city. He didn't

spk_0 so much manage a shot on goal of the whole game. And it was 2-0 when Timber brought down well

spk_0 on the spin on the edge of the area. Humped pretty well. I mean, totally humped by youth.

spk_0 200th game up step by kayo sack to convert the penalty with a plum.

spk_0 Ringing up quite beautiful symmetry. Is it 55 goals, 45 assists, 100 goal involvements.

spk_0 Still only 24. He's a baby. I mean, just joy for us to live in that moment. Clean sheet again,

spk_0 not shot on target, not a glove laid on them. Only way it could have got better as if Yoko

spk_0 was as comfortable as professional as routine a win as as drama free vibes. A win as Arsenal get

spk_0 raw. And that was on the sea. Relatively new and really well-confilling in its own right.

spk_0 Yeah, I think it almost is more significant than the win at Newcastle. And I remember thinking

spk_0 last week, we may even have discussed it on the par-drage, that Arsenal do have a habit of producing

spk_0 statement wins. And there's this feeling of they've won this game. They've beaten Man City or

spk_0 they've beaten Man United later on. They've won at Newcastle. This is Arsenal's proof that they

spk_0 can do it. And Artheta said that after St James's party said this was our, you know, we've shown

spk_0 that the world who we are. And what normally happens after that is that Arsenal go and lose at home

spk_0 to West Ham. That is absolutely what happens every single time. So to win this game and I think

spk_0 particularly to win it so undrematically. First half goal, second half goal, game finishes.

spk_0 Kind of a damp squib to be honest. Like you'd have gone home from the Emirates feeling

spk_0 happy that your team had won. Box ticked. But yeah, exactly. It was okay. Yeah, we have completed.

spk_0 That is a, a fixture that has been not off the calendar. And I think that's exactly what Arsenal

spk_0 needed. Because that is how you win titles. Liverpool, Liverpool had an entire season of them last

spk_0 season. And you, you don't win titles by storing the 96th minute at Newcastle. You win titles by

spk_0 beating West Ham toon a lot at home while it's spending as little energy as possible.

spk_0 Yeah, box ticking, technocracy or whatever the word is, you know, just doing the business relentlessly

spk_0 that Arsenal is the one I'm so excited to see in 2025, 26 to third place checks notes. Tottenham

spk_0 Hotspur who scored twice at leads to win at Fortress Ellen Road in a cop derby battle between the

spk_0 Peacocks and the Cockroals leads defended their and beating home record truly incredibly and not

spk_0 lost that bear pit Ellen Road in over a year. Okay, then fourth place spurs biggest name yet to

spk_0 arrive up north. They brought their best away record with them seven points from their three previous

spk_0 away games six changes to the team that are frankly labored in the Arctic, north of the wall at

spk_0 Bodo Glimmid week in their champions lead draw leads battered them from the outset charge at them

spk_0 really a health of skill to pace leads faithful bellowing their team to get stuck in which they did

spk_0 they dominated possession and of course spurs waited until they could get in behind them with

spk_0 their very first shot on goal, tell bank one in off the quiet unfortunate stooke leads responded

spk_0 quite impressively dominant kelvin Lewin God bless in best smelling footballer or top three best

spk_0 smelling footballers in the league mister a quite glorious chance but then he knocked the ball down

spk_0 for Brendan Aronson his lash parried by the courier but up the gut and Okafour stabbed home into the

spk_0 empty net. Raw is possibly the most lead to goal of all time the inflatable ball creeping towards

spk_0 the line at the very same time Okafour shot kind of that inflatable attempting to steal the spotlight

spk_0 was peak Ellen Roadwell it was it when it I can't stress enough how windy it has been in

spk_0 England the last the last few days rogge that's what happens in in in the Premier League when

spk_0 it's windy stuff starts blowing onto the pitch that's just how it is when I saw the the little

spk_0 black and white kind of inflatable ball drift across I thought there was a chance they'd roll the goal

spk_0 out because I think in theory if a if it was a 12 mph on object interferes with play then you're

spk_0 meant to stop the game and I it's one of those where I wonder if Victoria would really kick

spk_0 up a fuss they might have had to look at it I've watched it a lot the ball kind of crosses a line

spk_0 and then it just like makes his own slow late delicious arrival like enter the dragon for

spk_0 Corio God bless him actually saves it you can see the motion of just like swatting it away in anger

spk_0 it is a good one yeah got that do I get anything for that mate but just that padding for Corio God bless

spk_0 both teams energised but little blunt up top one in the 57th minute kudus fling himself down the right

spk_0 cut inside shot on goal another deflection again offstreet again after putt dude was in was in

spk_0 was in absolute agony just like am I a human backboard a goalkeeper left flat footed kudus don't

spk_0 care first goal for spurs after that 72 million dollar move I think Thomas Frank said it was about

spk_0 time in his squad which I just love new team same old Sally a king back on his plastics round rule

spk_0 top them three shots on goal two goals but robust under Thomas Frank yes they lost the xg 1.68

spk_0 as hero 0.53 but they don't cough up leads I think they're the only team in this late goal era

spk_0 not to have conceded in the last 50 minutes of any game which in the madness of this chaos season

spk_0 is incredible more the same here defended really well and spurs won their fifth in a row over

spk_0 leads rule significantly I said this up top it's the foot they're the first team to win at

spk_0 Ellen Road since February the 8th 238 days first to win there in the league since September the 14th

spk_0 385 days ago Thomas Frank rule is building something well you tell me what he's building

spk_0 one the feet in seven games third win from four on the road how good are they Rorx I don't think

spk_0 even even they know for real yeah there's there's definitely been an improvement I mean they've

spk_0 finished 17th last season so maybe that's not that hard but I think if you look at the individuals

spk_0 involved he seems to be getting more out of players than had been happening previously so obviously

spk_0 Qdus is coming and looks you know looks like he's the sort of player he should be playing for a

spk_0 Champions League team but even like Richalis and looks kind of revitalized to and it's then

spk_0 they look more solid more organized we know with spurs that if Mitevande of N and Christian

spk_0 Romero were there that they are a really good team I think there's reasons for encouragement and

spk_0 the main one is how quietly they've been able to kind of build something this season that there's

spk_0 not this sort of relentless focus on them as there was under content under marino and even

spk_0 underage to an extent Thomas Frank is a thoroughly sensible appointment and is a great guy he's a really

spk_0 nice man but he's kind of boring from a kind of scrutiny point of view he is a nice intelligent

spk_0 completely rational human being very Danish there's not much to kind of get worked up about there

spk_0 for either fans or the kind of media around it so he's just trying to left to get on with it

spk_0 and that I think really works for spurs they've got up to third without really anybody noticing

spk_0 the flip side I guess is that they have been a little bit up and down in individual games I

spk_0 thought you know bowdo they were 2-0 down to our beloved bowdo glimpt rogge which is not great

spk_0 does bowdo glimpt are you know in comparison to spurs his budget bowdo really are not the sort of

spk_0 team that should be putting up a fight I actually thought leads were probably the better team

spk_0 at Alan Road on Saturday lunchtime they they looked really good leads and once DCL gets his

spk_0 eye in I think leads will have a real weapon there but they could they could they could spurs all

spk_0 sorts of problems so it's it's a little bit early to say the signs have to be encouraging for

spk_0 Thomas Frank and I think the longer he can go without anyone really realizing their third the better

spk_0 but at the same time to to think that they're able to maybe exceed the expectation that they will

spk_0 compete to a qualify for the champions lead I think the performances would need to be better at this

spk_0 stage talking atop for Bournemouth 3 full of 1 this is not a drill golden war cherries are flying

spk_0 $270 million worth of first-team players left during the summer but they keep on keeping on after

spk_0 holding onto without one massive star Anton Semenje and he had solo proves to be the green

spk_0 shoots of revival the Garnet and Winger unless you've been a player of the season candidate here

spk_0 single-handedly propelled the golden war cherries back to life in a sensational comfort behind

spk_0 victory two goals one assist the first goal 25-year-old picked the ball up so deep on the left it was

spk_0 like a kick return left defenders for dead took it to the byline and from the most acute angle

spk_0 cockerly slaughtered the ball right through goalkeeper Bernlaine Auslegg it was amazing to win

spk_0 this then set up a just in clive at Banger before killing the game off in the in the 96 minute

spk_0 six league goals on the season only behind Manchester City's generational goal scorer we'll talk

spk_0 about in a minute early in Harlan wrote he's an amazing story Semenje since the start of May

spk_0 he's been involved in more goals than any other player in the Premier League 12 I think eight goals

spk_0 for assists what's amazing it's really his journey he was brought from Bristol City they found him

spk_0 the South Gloucestershire and Stroud College Academy where he was just utterly stuck at the age of 17

spk_0 been rejected by Arsenal Spurs even Millwall Bristol City signed him but then loaned him out to

spk_0 Bath to Newport to Sunderland before he broke into the Robbins first team I think in 2020

spk_0 since he he languished was in the bargain bin he was lost and found he was as close to a dead

spk_0 letter office footballers as it can be and now we're all living really the Semenje Nassons

spk_0 it's incredible he was he was favored to leave last January Chelsea were interested his head

spk_0 was said to be turned but instead he stayed signed a five year deal back in July and as that phrase

spk_0 I think was it red our back the Celtic coach said sometimes the best trade to the ones that you

spk_0 don't make here's a match winner what do you see in him becoming because the story is amazing

spk_0 he's now one of the most dominant players in the Premier League he's almost too good should we be

spk_0 afraid or ball ball ball curious football fans that he could be gone in January January maybe not

spk_0 because I think the amount of money that Bournemouth would want for him now is so high that that it's

spk_0 not the sort of thing that he's in with necessarily commit to I guess unless that Chelsea in January I

spk_0 think yeah I think he will see out the season with Bournemouth but there's no question that the

spk_0 way he's playing if he can maintain it he will be the sort of player who will be fetching a lot of

spk_0 money net summer if Bournemouth choose that that is what is in their interest they are they seem

spk_0 to be extremely good at selling players when they know they've got someone to replace them who might

spk_0 even in the in you know long term proves to be an upgrade I think what what's strange is that

spk_0 is that Semenio didn't go this summer and I wonder whether a lot of teams looked at him and kind of

spk_0 had him setting on their list you know one of the attacking roles they thought well if we can't get

spk_0 our primary target we'll get Antoine Semenio and I wonder how many of those teams will

spk_0 will regret it from the end of this season. I feel like when my friend Tyler Adams this

spk_0 afternoon cannot wait to hear him talk about both Semenio and what if anything feels different about

spk_0 this season as opposed to last season where they burnt brightly and then fell away and talking about

spk_0 well fully aware not falling away Brentford deal Manchester City won again there was a bit like

spk_0 watching a cobra battle among goose last week Keith Andrews beat well they really embarrassed

spk_0 Manchester United at the GTEC here Brentford were looking to become just the second team to

spk_0 beat both Manchester clubs and consecutively games since Tottenham in 1996 saying that

spk_0 hope lasted about nine minutes early Harlan picked up the ball and where he loves to on the

spk_0 shoulder with a last defender just body two opponents with power and pace I mean just a nuanced

spk_0 footballer to steady himself then Lashthoe meeting goal for club and country in just 11 games I mean

spk_0 these statistics are at this point so insane I don't think we can we can compute them

spk_0 I do believe when I saw this goal rule I was like I know we're all worried about chat GPT

spk_0 taking over I even look at early in Harlan as the only thing saving civilization because there's

spk_0 surely no computer that can no robot overlord even could do what he does rule I mean I that's

spk_0 the slim hope I'm holding on to but I'm right back myself I mean he literally looks like

spk_0 Dolph Lundgren in universal soldier like how are you how do you know how to do it and possibly be

spk_0 like the avatar to save humanity from the robots when he is clearly himself a cyborg that is

spk_0 obviously yeah so funny afterwards he said something beautiful he said I've never felt better than

spk_0 I do know it's about preparation getting ready for the games you can be physically ready but you

spk_0 need to be mentally ready and then he said about his newborn child he said with a kid it makes me

spk_0 even better because I disconnect more than ever I don't think about football at all and when

spk_0 I'm mentally funny you talk about cyborgs when I imagined his kid I briefly flickered that

spk_0 Megan from that movie rule but God bless and it's amazing to watch him he's nine league goals now

spk_0 only six other clubs in their entirety have more just incredible statistics the only other city

spk_0 scoring double figures Burnley center back Maxi Mestive you netted that pair of whom goals

spk_0 a couple of weeks ago I mean were we expected City to go on and just kill the game off but this

spk_0 is a different city they lack it and not sure it's hunger it's more kind of the control to put

spk_0 the game away just as they lapsed twice against Monarchy in the Champions League when Harlem was

spk_0 pissed off afterwards said not good enough City honestly they were barely good enough lost Rodry

spk_0 to a hamstring injury cue a barrage of B strings from set pieces and long throws Tiorgio

spk_0 blew the best chance I think for Brentford he was a one-on-one with a big Donna Kebab Donna rumour

spk_0 and God bless City with that big man up top the big man at the back that's how they're doing it but

spk_0 it was nervy rule it really is I mean you watch Pep in Harlem now talk about Urdigo Arden

spk_0 Arthetta the two of them are now in constant conversation to try and lock down the game which

spk_0 they did peps 250th win in just this 319th game faster than any man previously by some distance I

spk_0 think Sir Alex Ferguson second would like to zip 404 games but this was pet at his happiest

spk_0 post game a win but with an incredible list of grievances and abilities a really lamented

spk_0 entire team performance yeah I think what we're seeing actually from City at the moment it'll

spk_0 depend a little bit on on the extent of Rodry's injury hopefully it's not very long but this is

spk_0 Irling Harland against Arsenal this Premier League season it is a city team that is in transition

spk_0 that is changing Pep is trying to kind of re-shoot it again and the thing that is keeping them

spk_0 in contention that is getting them edgey not that table is the fact that they have this generation

spk_0 of talented striker who will store I think he's throwing at the you know rate of about two

spk_0 a game at the moment and the test really is can Irling Harland keep Manchester City within

spk_0 touch-in distance of whoever is top of the table until such a point as Dua Diola's new new look

spk_0 city his new version of City clicks does if he can then there is something really genuinely

spk_0 special and fearsome happening at Manchester City but a lot of it rests and it's the first time

spk_0 even with Messi at Barcelona it's maybe the first time you say a lot of it rests on one player

spk_0 shoulders that it's it's about Irling Harland this isn't a Manchester City team that has been built

spk_0 and Harland has been grafted onto it to make them even better this is a city team that exists

spk_0 to set the stage for Irling Harland he is their their most significant figure maybe even a head

spk_0 of Guardiola and that's the first time anyone could say that for a long time.

spk_0 I got to talk about Harland the joy at the end as I could say an extremely chill Irling

spk_0 jumped into the crowd that shot the fan kissing him post game when other players honestly would

spk_0 recoil. Harland legit seems to be loving every single moment talking about loving every single

spk_0 moment new castle too nothing for us now you can't spell change without ang poor old Postercogli

spk_0 he's not even had time to figure out how to fix the printer in his new office and he's already

spk_0 on the hot seat first permanent not even for us manager at a hundred years is that good to be

spk_0 winless in his first six games since taking over he only took over September the night his latest

spk_0 nightmare savage three to Europa League defeat two FC Mitchell land a loss of left forest fans

spk_0 serenading their own manager their own non-noon manager with you getting sat in the morning

spk_0 reports bubbling up he could indeed be sacked if they lost here St James's Park a bloody tough

spk_0 place to go then and say went pragmatic five at the back and the first half for us look disciplined

spk_0 look resolute they're a say a little little new no-s nil nil at the half but then in the 58 minute

spk_0 unraveled when Morgan Gibbs White shoved off the ball by Bruno Guy Marrèche he exchanged passes with

spk_0 Dan Bourne channeled his constant simmering fury into a stunning stride arch pass Matt Seltz

spk_0 in the forest go one nil there was a shot of hands just rooffully shaking his head which broke

spk_0 me a little bit because it would get worse for forest 82nd minute new castle use product returning

spk_0 home the otherwise exon elia Anderson this possess by Guy Marrèche again he'd lunge in Anderson

spk_0 recklessly on the bazillion really the entire post-acoglu tenure summed up in one awful tackle

spk_0 and like an mba team sending their center up to shoot three throws after a technical upstep

spk_0 Nick Volta Marder that big tour straw that now stirs the tune drink stepped up delivered

spk_0 smashing penalty it's if you haven't watched it it's beautiful in the moment it looked like an arrow

spk_0 shot onto big answers funeral pyre three goals and three games for two meter messy two nil tune

spk_0 anginaural not winning seven games five losses two draws just one point above the relegation zone

spk_0 which is where he loves to be and it's it's that this new phrase is I'll keep you one point above

spk_0 the relegation zone in my first season mate he's apparently meeting with the board to fight for his

spk_0 job is it 27 days into his tenure well when you look at this how much is this on big and his tactics

spk_0 his philosophy who he is as a well will he's a human being how much is it on on that big Greek

spk_0 Jerry Jones evangelist maranacus decision to fire new you know bringing his stylistic opposite

spk_0 I mean this is this is almost older listeners will remember new code this is like the new

spk_0 coca front office self sabotage decision making I don't think this will sound a little bit odd

spk_0 but I don't think you can really blame pasta toddler he's clearly not the right fit for the team it

spk_0 is clearly not going to end well but then he was brought in what three weeks after the season started

spk_0 when the squad had already been built in the transfer window was shot to replace a manager who

spk_0 is his complete opposite so I suppose you can blame him for taking the job yes why was it all

spk_0 the the the the moussaccharine and who said that they drank together I think it's probably the

spk_0 drachmas it's all about the drachmas no it looked managers always believe that they will be able

spk_0 to succeed everyone involved in professional sports has far more self belief than me and you could

spk_0 ever imagine rogge but they're not they are not normal human beings they back to themselves endlessly

spk_0 elite sports people just aren't normal human beings and pasta toddler will have looked at it and

spk_0 thought there's loads of talent in that squad I'm a good manager I peace of peace he said to his wife

spk_0 peace of peace I don't know if he'd have said it was a piece of peace but he would have said that it

spk_0 was a piece of something yeah boy my piss is boiling he will issue maybe that means something else

spk_0 in Australia I don't know the my piss is boiling made I don't take the job um the but no I think he

spk_0 will believe that he can do it but from the outside and it's easy to snipe from the outside it

spk_0 does look a little bit hebristic as though you know he left spurs with his reputation kind of

spk_0 intact most people thought he was a little bit unlucky to get sat after winning the Europa lead

spk_0 there's been a lot of um unbecoming glee in honest in antifostatodalus struggles at nothing

spk_0 and forest on this side of the Atlantic which I think is unfair because I'm not sure how he

spk_0 could have succeeded he should have done better he would have not lost all of his games

spk_0 but it's not a recipe for success he's not suited to that squad he's not suited to that job

spk_0 at some point he will not be forest manager anymore and that one I think will sting more than spurs

spk_0 when you listeners do experience boiling piss don't take the forest job as a result just go

spk_0 and see a doctor there's other options there are other options and post international break Chelsea

spk_0 football club arrive at one of sure be a quite docile calm and rational city ground we'll see if

spk_0 Angis is still there we'll see his quote uh the crackle this morning about today we said I love a

spk_0 fight uh could I'd always fight the bullies on the school yard was honestly quite harrowing

spk_0 autobiographically to the layers of in layers of this mentality roar it's really tough to

spk_0 watch a really empathetic man in such a groin-ding position I take no pleasure in it at all but let's go

spk_0 to old Trafford for one game at least Manchester United was I watching a comedy sitcom in the

spk_0 olden days occasionally they do like a serious episode that come out of nowhere you'd be like oh

spk_0 that hits different um that's what Manchester United two Sunderland nil was I'm old enough to remember

spk_0 when you're in a doom cycle um cats with nine lives we're looking at Amorim and thinking

spk_0 bloody hell that bloke's got a lot of lives 50 a Premier League game in charge just 18 wins to his

spk_0 name before this one you know it bored said to be swooping in to review his future this was must-win

spk_0 and to make it must-winner newly promoted Sunderland arrived um not your Netflix sad sat cats um this

spk_0 is Regis Labrisis are best start to a Premier League life you ever newly promoted team in 13 long

spk_0 years Sunderland swaggering in in six place um and Amorim made five changes to a team that lost

spk_0 the Brentford last week in came Belgian goalkeeper Senna Lawman's $29 million deadline day acquisition

spk_0 for Royal Antwerp um also in the 11th year nighted Mason Mount which meant no room at the end for

spk_0 84 million dollar man Mateus Kunia long story short um all of it worked go home Rubeneck is nothing

spk_0 to see here because after a fourth minute scare in which Sunderland strut away with from close range

spk_0 united were comfortably the better side eight minute Mason Mount it was so spry from the off

spk_0 met a Brian and Bumo Cross from the combination of an 18 pass move this was united 18 pass

spk_0 me because he walked up the joint mace fair a goal in the Premier League this season um he went

spk_0 close again a short time later incredible shot no back left only an incredible save from Robin

spk_0 Roof tonight raw you know we took a lot about fixing Manchester United Mason Mount for all the

spk_0 Rubens new toys is right there could the answer to your night is probably right into his nose he

spk_0 is a bloody good footballer he is and I saw him at ultrafford earlier this season and he he was

spk_0 united's best player for the 45 minutes that he played before injury took him off it was a

spk_0 reminder that I think people have forgotten the Mason Mount play so much as he united but if they

spk_0 can keep him fit and find a role that suits him he is one of the best midfielders in the country

spk_0 30 first minute do go Dalat long throwing gaggle a Sunderland players attack the ball but only

spk_0 succeeded to flick it towards a basking shot Benjamin Chesco who stayed at home for his first goal

spk_0 at ultrafford he just scored away at Brentford last week too nearly anointed so happy for him

spk_0 to find his rhythm in the game that never felt in danger of Ruben even gave a run out to Kuhnja

spk_0 who replaced Mason Mount around the hour mark and Kobe may new entered from Bumo in the 77 minute

spk_0 to I will say quite emotional thunderous applause for the old Trafford faithful you know fans almost

spk_0 trying to manifest a young star into a marim starting 11 that will add it to the polish clean sheet

spk_0 for lawmen didn't have a lot to do that he made a save until the 91st minute and the strep for

spk_0 the end celebrating any time he touched the ball by singing are you shmikele in disguise it was such a

spk_0 happy day Chesco and the goals three Premier League wins in a row at home raw this is one game against

spk_0 a newly promoted side albeit a good one that you think Amarim probably for the first time in a long

spk_0 time felt the international bit I'm sad for it's going to stop on momentum yeah it's strange

spk_0 isn't it how kind of wildly man united switch from complete depths of crisis literally last week

spk_0 Raj after they lost the Brentford to actually do you know what this is looking up because they've

spk_0 beaten the sundaland and I think that's not massively healthy but fortunately for Manchester United

spk_0 they will definitely get at least the point in in their next game Raj because it is at

spk_0 anfield and this version of united it's the golden rule when Liverpool are bad they are

spk_0 dred against Manchester United when Manchester United are bad they are dred against Liverpool

spk_0 oh quake now I think you're going to win with these god bless Rubin Amarim to your point about

spk_0 whether you know it in a back he said there is no momentum with our team is that I love his true

spk_0 telling said with the break or not we know what happens when we win one game the frustration is not

spk_0 to see the same team home and the way dot dot dot we got to wait for that and feel game I can't wait

spk_0 in other games that's the villa too Bernley won the battle to be the one true Claren blues

spk_0 and after taking just three points from the first five games that's the villa fresh off the

spk_0 first league winner of the season last weekend against full-arm um face Bernley eager to jump start

spk_0 a season it looks like oh started so well but just four points to six games now difference here

spk_0 26 year old Dutch striker Donnell Marlon had a pair of quite emphatic finishes either side of

spk_0 hard time the times Tom Oln that described Marlon as not particularly fast but quite hard to stop

spk_0 when he gets going all arms and elbows and I'll say those arms are now by so bloody important with

spk_0 what kind of Morgan Rogers struggling and we played Donnell more centrally here paid off the

spk_0 finishes utterly phenomenal sizzlers Bernley felt to get out the relegation zone struggle trade

spk_0 but Unai Emmery for straight win all comps and that's still we start to the season suddenly

spk_0 in pharmacies over the international break but across the midlands walls won bright and won winless

spk_0 walls bottom of the table fresh off their first big point at spurs last week but poor Vito

spk_0 Pereira flailing the points and the points less endearing when it's when it's point a singular

spk_0 um 20th minute tried out some new material kick the ball out the officials dug out in frustration

spk_0 quickly sent off uh move bit like an NBA coach trying to fire up his team uh because instinctually

spk_0 an amazing goal with you got to see it bounced off the crossbar uh then bounced back off the goalkeepers

spk_0 behind and into his own net just as Pereira drew it uh walls pit to be heading towards her first

spk_0 win in 11 games but for second successive weeks shattered by a late late equalizer 86 minute

spk_0 Yon Paul Van Hecker rising up to absolutely head but home a header one one raw walls propping up

spk_0 the table heading into the international break i'm old enough to remember they David Blaine their

spk_0 way out of a similar position last season it was one point from the first eight games there but

spk_0 then reeled off six successive wins um in the second half of the season and the Pereira but then

spk_0 they are cunya when he was good they had re in eight nori um almost a skeleton keys to crack the

spk_0 path lock's wards it's going to be tough for without them isn't it they do have some quality

spk_0 rogues there are reasons for hope like they have enough players in that squad who might come good

spk_0 at the right time to just about get them over the line doesn't help that at least two of the

spk_0 newly promoted teams look pretty good that's not great uh but and this is a rule that that applies

spk_0 to everybody except Everton generally if you spend two or three or four years narrowly avoiding

spk_0 relegation at some point you're getting caught out and it feels like wolves might have just

spk_0 taking it one step too far this year oh who will pay the ferryman are talking about not Everton finally

spk_0 the big one everton to this happened crystal palace one let history remember unbeaten palace 19

spk_0 street games unbeaten best running europe entered the big dick to me and be in a home uh everton in

spk_0 the match which was Jordan pure for pickfords 300 primarily game in the blue belly shirt it was his

spk_0 steely wrists that kept Everton in it early and often yes the wrists of a young going in this it

spk_0 was incredible to watch him against palace who was so bloody well drained what palace did they let

spk_0 meekle link out run at them they wanted him to have the ball at his feet they wanted it to be

spk_0 not relish not undy it was like seeing mba teams like bin simmons have the ball around the

spk_0 that that's three point arc micae would run deep into the palace half you know what you could

spk_0 see him psychologically almost be like why's no one coming out to stop me but they wanted him to

spk_0 be on the ball because it led to not think um palace kept countering it was remarkable uh to

spk_0 witness them just hurt us out will I mean I was terrified so with Everton players every time

spk_0 palace ran as poor young TNO barrageous mr citter at one end leading at pool of his own self

spk_0 confidence palace reacted by rumping up field camada and this my other side combining fling the

spk_0 ball down the line like a rugby team to find the open man in this case Daniel Moonos um possibly

spk_0 the most potent right back in the Premier League right now lassu pickford oh my god raw in that moment

spk_0 can I just be clear I wrote in my diary why never us why did palace have all of the joy the FA

spk_0 cup the europe now they come into our house making it in the words of at support ball in our discord

spk_0 making it real as we should never have left goodison for badison um I wrote my game notes

spk_0 rule why is it never us allowed to have fun rule well I mean that's not how you'll have felt at

spk_0 the end of the afternoon rogge but what I would say is that I think palace do have there are various

spk_0 lessons like the other teams can learn from palace and one of them is represented by Daniel

spk_0 Moonos which is recruit smart recruit for your system recruit players who you think have a have an

spk_0 extra place to go to who can kick on and do it in a joined up intelligent smart unassuming way

spk_0 and you can build a team like crystal palace so although it has not recently been everton

spk_0 I think you know with David Moise with the new ownership it is possible that it could be everton again

spk_0 god bless that is the big picture yearning the big picture dream because in this moment this is

spk_0 the first time we've been behind even at the big dick energy everton we've seemed imbalanced we

spk_0 seem slow all the floors in the squad build we have no fullbacks we lack a really confident striker

spk_0 those two floors combined into certainly energy out the entire team it seemed hopeless there were

spk_0 some booze let history remember a half time but the second half um so different alchoraz entered

spk_0 so willing so direct bette just bettoing um and we made more of a fist of it history should remember

spk_0 again metetamist two guilt head chances to finish that game and kick the corner flag palace

spk_0 were dominant but then we got a penalty full of quaz foul on on timmerabunum upstep one beautiful

spk_0 alien die ice cream when he scored ice cream I couldn't help myself ice cream let's go win this

spk_0 I was watching with my oldest son sampson and he just said dad you've just left us you've just

spk_0 left all of us by screaming at my kids know how it works but no not on this day jack realist

spk_0 charging up the flank stiff farming like Derek Henry and then 93rd minute and die teased a stunning

spk_0 ball for beautiful betto threading on this gourd wrote you say betto ice a b9 let that catch on

spk_0 headed it down dean henderson parry daniel munos tried to clear but then just hit the thunderous

spk_0 fires and feet of jack grelish and the ball ricochet did everton joy i don't see this

spk_0 often everton wonder everton victory everton good luck and glory and it felt so incredibly great

spk_0 i was just that finalist i was like god i love football rule i was dead at half time dead

spk_0 and now i live again rule stay with me theologically here we all live through st jack grelish

spk_0 i think the only rational explanation is he's an angel sent from heaven to come and save us

spk_0 i mean all the all the evidence was pointing that direction roger or or the ball dot kick to

spk_0 against his leg is one of the two isn't it yeah but two things can be true you always throw me

spk_0 in football i genuinely you told me that before that's your line until proven otherwise i genuinely

spk_0 I'm watching is i think we're living a miracle i think we're watching something deeply profound

spk_0 and miraculous and the only question is he is an angel he has been sent to worth to lift us on his

spk_0 wings and i mean that sincerely this is not flip stuff this is hot takes people but what exactly is

spk_0 the extent of what he's going to save that is the question is it just ever to could he save the

spk_0 world i don't know we're going to find out but for this day moys are classic glass that i mean just

spk_0 like out physicaling palis down here palis were i mean yes they were still reacting and i think

spk_0 this is probably it to the rigors of midway european football for the first i think they were shattered

spk_0 at the end of this one and so what fell like for sure their first winner everton since 2014

spk_0 turned into their first defeat in in 20 games i want to applaud that run i want to applaud all of the

spk_0 glass there who was incredible in defeat he wasn't moaning he wasn't like bitter he wasn't so he

spk_0 said we will begin again to write a new chapter we made a few steps forward in the last few months

spk_0 now we have to feel this pain and learn from it roach wisdom for football and life yeah absolutely

spk_0 and that that is the thing about palis at the moment everything that happens with to them at the

spk_0 moment they seem to come out of with grace effectively and that's that's that's not nothing

spk_0 foreverton roach does does that feel like the first big kind of moment in the history of the big

spk_0 dick is that the kind of first memorable moment do you think i mean the haters i say you just beat

spk_0 palis but yeah then i think it was the biggest moment under the new ownership the freaking ownership

spk_0 i'm sure they feel like they have you know this probably felt so good for each and you know they

spk_0 have appointed this front office quite carefully and are giving them a mandate and i think for the

spk_0 fans we don't come from behind we only come from behind against crystal palace everton football club

spk_0 that's like our our history but what they can take from this when we are so clearly deeply flawed

spk_0 it's going to be fascinating to witness i love the way you say grace we've talked about angels

spk_0 this is turning into a proper proper religious show which i love i do want to read a very quick

spk_0 rave and from a gfo p michael beck gifford who wrote from fort collins colarado roach since the

spk_0 opening of hill dikinson stadium you've referred to it as the big dick stealing nicknames has been

spk_0 occurring since the dawn of man but i wanted to know the original big dick refers to dick sporting

spk_0 goods park in commas city colarado home of the mighty ish colarado rapids since 2007 since everton

spk_0 has been in existence that we bit longer than the rapids and as a much bigger fan base i will

spk_0 graciously and officially choose to relegate our big dick name to little dick you're welcome

spk_0 michael as i say michael i want to thank you for your generosity on behalf of all the colarado

spk_0 it's big of you we just got to find the middle-sized dick rule and then we'll get our whole like

spk_0 dick version of the three bears in the dickiverse but before this goes from like religious to quite

spk_0 profane let's get to a great question in our mail back to close-up show it comes from the

spk_0 wondrously named Leonard goodnight if you if you named if you named Lenny Buonanotte

spk_0 breaking a buy-off for $50 million dollars raw do the honest Leonardo Buonanotte might play for

spk_0 brighten anyway i have a question he came in for you Leonard gentleman i have a question for you

spk_0 well mostly for rory since he's a yorchiman i'm an american but one with a love of english

spk_0 history and football of course i've often read of your prominent place in english history

spk_0 constantly the great was first proclaimed emperor in the town then called aboracum

spk_0 then the capital of the roman province britania inferior just a side note here one of the big

spk_0 mistakes the roman's made was mistaking the northern bit of britain for the inferior part that

spk_0 was the problem that was why it didn't work out as i'm not sure i'm pronounced this as a

spk_0 or for wick it was the home of kinsane tedwin retin de bret way alder by saint bied and was

spk_0 capital of mighty north umbria as your vick it was capital of the vikings dain law not sure that's

spk_0 how that works but anyway it was the site of the only english archbishop writ outside canterbury

spk_0 the duty of york has been a prominent and powerful title for centuries asterisk we don't talk about

spk_0 the current one it is often told the capital of the north and has a claim on the title second

spk_0 city of indolent again i'm i feel even as a yorchiman that this is a stretch albeit along

spk_0 to various other cities yorchiman has a great football in history sheffield fc and halim fc

spk_0 of the two oldest clubs in the world and the fays laws of the game were originally written by a man

spk_0 from hol do you know who else is from holroge james or castle yeah there's a statue of him go

spk_0 yorchiman has many clubs in the football league to this day there are some listed there's a few of them

spk_0 but the city of york itself only has york city which plays all the way down in the 50th

spk_0 year national league in a stadium that seats 8,500 people it's the sort of club a rich american

spk_0 might buy in a lot i just need to win the powerball first how is it that such an important

spk_0 story city doesn't have a club in the football league surely the people of york yorkers deserve

spk_0 better thanks and have a better than average day lennard goodnight bro is it york is do they come

spk_0 no no it's not what would you call it from your york is a yorky might be a yorky no it's just

spk_0 they're just people from york that's all that is yeah all the people we don't have we don't have

spk_0 that thing in in indolent like york shaman is anyone from your chair we don't have that thin

spk_0 in indolent where people from every city has to have to have a name to respond with like americans

spk_0 would be like i'm a new yorker i'm a bostonian whatever i'm an angioleno we just say i'm from york

spk_0 no you know there's manks there's bromine but not every city has it proper cities but maybe it's

spk_0 bigger cities that's a fair point you i think in answer to lennard's question york city your city

spk_0 were in the football league for a long time they have like a lot of clubs in their kind of situation

spk_0 for the non-tahad times because they're in too smaller city to really compete at kind of champion

spk_0 even championship level or championship league one level they're from memory the reacruple of

spk_0 like slightly dodgy ownership things i think they are they are or were fan-owned for a while

spk_0 they're established in the chrysanthemum i think constant team the great it's his fault was

spk_0 like the maranakis of the of the rumen province butanian fear it let's not talk about the

spk_0 butanian fear it's been really cross um the the yeah they fall on hard times but they are kind of

spk_0 they're now established in the national lead they which is the fifth division they i think they

spk_0 came pretty close to promotion last year that they're okay york the truth of the serious answer

spk_0 Raj is that that's not far off where york should be just in terms of population it is like

spk_0 historically massively important city but it's not a huge place it's quite a small city really

spk_0 beautiful you should visit if you get chance it's a wonderful place i once recommended it to

spk_0 Ryan Reynolds did you really i did i interviewed Ryan Reynolds and rob mack before he changed his name

spk_0 and i think they were playing retzum were about to play york and i said oh is it a home or a way

spk_0 or that was the next game that he was coming over for and he was like oh it's a way we're going

spk_0 to boo them crez and whatever it's called now the kickcat stadium or something um and i said

spk_0 oh you should go to your Vic does it's the only museum where you can smell history and i personally

spk_0 Raj think it speaks volumes for Ryan Reynolds that he laughed at that joke it probably went and but

spk_0 anyway i would have sent him to the national railway museum oh that's amazing it is amazing incredible

spk_0 it's think it's like so it's like genuinely Americans go it's just so nice that also stop off of

spk_0 the hotly museum in saltair which is like an hour away and also also also stunning well if you

spk_0 come into saltair you might as well come come to where i live Raj that's only around the corner

spk_0 saltair rule we've got to get a heritage plaque on this uh slap it on the side of the row he's

spk_0 had start to sell it but i would say that the other point that's in line is letter that i think

spk_0 genuinely true if you're a rich American you're probably quite a good shout as a club to buy

spk_0 in all in all seriousness does it has a degree of international recognition there is stuff to do

spk_0 it's a nice place and there are loads of tourists already it would make perfect sense if you're buying

spk_0 a small club York is a really really good choice let's start go from me let's start go from me

spk_0 men and blazers let's buy York together can let us say in the early days of men and blazers we

spk_0 just have a regular guest an amazing man called Barry Hurne if you don't know he has he's like the

spk_0 Don King of English Boxing listeners he owned a third tier team late in orient back then which is

spk_0 why he came on it was a remarkable man um he had the idea then rule of Americans buying York City

spk_0 and rebranding it because it would be on the new ownership his idea was we should all rebrand it

spk_0 together with this go from me that we're going to start rule he wanted to rebrand it as new York City

spk_0 and then he had this whole fun like let's change the stadium's name to Manhattan which sounded

spk_0 better like oh where's the new York City play they play in Manhattan and just making this tiny

spk_0 a mericist team like really goody strips really crazy like evil can evil they could play in like his

spk_0 dirt and all that stuff um and like so years on I would love to make this happen because York is

spk_0 an amazing amazing city I used to go there as a kid out first time I went row I cram you know

spk_0 I used to imagine because it's where terries who make the chocolate oranges was founded right

spk_0 I used to I used to imagine the first time I was disappointed to find out that it didn't have

spk_0 like chocolate orange groves on the very streets that I mean how do you think I felt whenever I went

spk_0 rudge it's a it's a living torture for me it is it it is the home of the chocolate orange but it's

spk_0 the home of so much more yeah god bless let's make it happen we're going to start to go from me

spk_0 almost immediately we will never get round to this listeners but if someone does we're all in York

spk_0 Chaturis board if you're listening call us um and Leonard send us your post or we'll send you a

spk_0 coveted uh many blazers patch keep sending your letters and questions for Rory and me to many

spk_0 blazers at gmail.com they fill us with joy that's it for today uh I'm actually here in New York

spk_0 this week we've got Tyler Adams coming on this took a Christian policy jumping aboard

spk_0 we'll be on with Clint Dempsey after the US face Ecuador Friday night live here on YouTube come

spk_0 and join us also on the women's game platform with a new show a beautiful show team you out

spk_0 with Becky Sauerbun incredible guests first Elizabeth Banks this week the inimitable Katie Nolan

spk_0 episode is linked in the show notes below Becky one of the world's most incredible human beings go go

spk_0 USA raw huge thanks to you your crown prince of how we get the uh I watched Elizabeth Banks one

spk_0 I feel like I feel like you're getting better quality of guests than me roger to be honest um you know

spk_0 it's but I'm not Becky Sauerbun it's you and I you and I are both in Britannia inferior raw this is

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