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Israel-Hamas negotiations continue in Egypt
In this episode, the ongoing negotiations between Israel and Hamas in Egypt are discussed, alongside the implications of the U.S. government shutdown and President Trump's potential invocation of...
Israel-Hamas negotiations continue in Egypt
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The connection between the guests on the show is the show.
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All that we do is put together people who are smart,
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people who are brave, people who are honest,
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and lots of times people who've never met each other
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to have a conversation that has never happened before.
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But on that day deepens everyone's understanding
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about the moment in which we gather.
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Deadline White House with Nicole Wallace.
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Weekdays from 4 to 6 p.m. Eastern on MSNBC.
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The fat cats in DC, which is get out of their beltway bubble,
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they'd hear from real common sense Americans about how to end
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this troubling shutdown.
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Lock them up in a room until they come to a agreement.
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Don't let them out.
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I did not see that cover.
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Right, the government shutdown is entering day 7.
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It's more importantly today to bring each other.
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Today is your child's school day.
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Bring your boring child to work.
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The one that tells you all the stories about
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the biggest charge of French and Indian.
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Thank you, Willie.
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Thank you, Willie.
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I wanted to know you have TV dinner at 9.
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You say, you know, actually, it was the corn supply
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that actually changed the outcome of the French Indian War.
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Henry Wallace was very much, was very focused on that.
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Yes, but where you were in the story about James K. Polk.
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Got one?
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One term president, more than almost double the size of the country,
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known as Young Hickory.
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Young Hickory.
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See this is a fun game.
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I'm going to fill more.
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You know, one of those that you kind of skip over on the
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placemap.
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Yeah, you hope the apple sauce falls on it.
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You can skip over on the post.
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Yeah.
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Very nice, man.
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All right.
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Okay.
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Back to the headlines.
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I got it.
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The government shutdown continues.
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We're going to bring you the latest from Capitol Hill.
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Meanwhile, President Trump is floating the possibility of invoking
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the Insurrection Act to send National Guard troops into
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U.S. cities.
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Well, look at what options state and local officials have to block it.
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The use of that federal law could come up later this morning when Attorney General
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Pam Bondi testifies before the Senate Judiciary Committee will bring a
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live coverage of that hearing plus a thrilling finish on Monday Night
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Football where a busted play turned into the game winning touchdown.
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You know, that's a great feeling.
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So twice.
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It's pretty good.
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Let's see that again.
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Never give up.
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There's an old Elvis Costello song called I Can't Stand Up for falling
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down.
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Yeah.
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And look at this.
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Trump the Lawrence.
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Willie, take us through it.
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Well, it looks like the center.
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The right guard steps on his right foot.
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Good.
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Falls once, falls twice.
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Remember the NFL yet to be taught to be down.
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If that was college, you would have down.
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Brakes a couple tackles, makes a move, cuts it inside, dies, breaks the plane,
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less than 30 seconds left.
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The Jags.
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I like that shot.
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And by the way, the Jags, four and one, and it really, an NFL where nobody wants
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to be great.
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Nobody wants to be great.
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He's lost.
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He's lost.
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The Eagles lost the other day.
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Yeah.
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Watch out for these Jags.
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They look good.
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Well, down four, they needed to touch down.
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This came at the very end.
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You also have really the story.
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Well, I mean, the Jags are another four of one team, just like the Colts are four and one.
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Yeah.
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Quite the bucks are four.
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One, you have a lot of teams or media, girl, last year doing well.
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The story here, though, is, and I hate to tell poor Pablo the next time he comes in,
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he keeps stubbornly picking.
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You're not here on Monday.
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Yeah, Willie.
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I know you might need to call him on Monday mornings.
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You miss its magic.
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Did you ever see more games with Matthew Broderick?
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What a great movie.
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Yeah, you ever see that?
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That's far too late.
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You ever see Space Out of the 2001 with Hal?
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Of course.
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That's what we bring to the show every morning.
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We have a computer that picks the top five NFL teams.
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There it is right there.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And so we go in, we go over to the Marriottan Marquis.
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We have Sonatra Live at the Sands Count Basie, orchestra, playing in the background.
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We bring in all of these women airings from all over the place.
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Yes, of course, the CD.
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It's from my eight track tape.
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I wore it out a couple of months ago on the golf course to play the side.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, but he keeps, by the way, we've done Rick Ols III cousin there.
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He's a great guy.
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He's going on.
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Yeah, he's good life.
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Yeah, good life.
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But anyway,
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public keeps picking the chiefs.
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Pick them.
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They're doing it.
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It's the top best.
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Another two and three chiefs are doing three.
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I'm afraid the sun is setting on that dying empire.
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Might have to get off that bandwagon.
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They look, my homes did look like my homes from what I saw last night.
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Yeah, Kelsey scored a touchdown.
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Yeah, they're not the dynastic.
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Yeah, okay.
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They were a couple of years ago tonight.
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Yeah, okay.
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How's it going?
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This is it.
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Along with Joe.
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Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
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Yeah, exactly.
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The Yankees tonight.
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It's huge.
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You got to get on.
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Has to have a get to the kid.
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You got to get to the kid tomorrow.
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Right?
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Yes.
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We got redone tonight.
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Maybe, but boy, they look red full game for not even in the game.
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The first two games.
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So now we're back home.
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Anything can happen.
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No more football scores.
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We don't want those anymore.
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Yeah, seriously.
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Getting like that.
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Yeah.
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I will say the story really so far with the Yankees has to be our judge.
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Yeah.
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And if you're looking at what his legacy is going to be, he needs to come through.
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You know, last season, his very good season, everybody just remember dropping them all in
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the fifth inning, disastrous fifth inning.
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This year, people already talking about Saturday striking out bases loaded.
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He's got to come through.
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I mean, just for his legacy.
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All time great Yankees.
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No question about it.
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Hall of Famer, all those things.
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But there has not been a world series since he came on.
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And his statistics are what they are in the playoffs.
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Yeah.
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It's not great.
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We love the guy.
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He's a great player, but he does not come through in the playoffs.
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Maybe it changes.
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We get somethings got to give while we're sitting here.
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I'm sorry, Mika, because we have a Vanderbilt professor on this.
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I wasn't here yesterday.
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Right.
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Congratulations.
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On a great game in Tuscaloosa Saturday.
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That was a really hard fought game.
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It was a good game.
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We had a couple turnovers that we wish we hadn't had.
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But that's also a product of your defense.
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That was a great game.
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Well, you know, it's Pavia, actually.
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He's a reason you guys won.
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I say he's a reason.
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A really good top to bottom Vanderbilt team.
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Yeah.
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And then Pavia had a great game last year.
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This year, I had a horrible game.
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Yeah.
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Kind of shouldn't have kept his mouth shut.
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That's right.
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Just put your head down, play football.
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But the thing that struck me was that going into it,
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all of us were nervous about the game.
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Yeah.
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And we were nervous, like even, you know, in half time.
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And we were saying to each other this, I mean,
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we always circle the third Saturday in October
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because it's Tennessee game.
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But this Vandy program is going to give us fits every single year.
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That really speaks to your coach, speaks to the organization.
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It's just how great this Vanderbilt team is.
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They had a bad day because their quarterback had a bad day.
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The other 21 players playing were really good top quality.
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And give credit to your quarterback, Ty Simpson.
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That kid is a star now.
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All of a sudden, he looks great.
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And John and I were saying what you just said too,
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which is the idea that we're mad that we lost to Alvin.
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Yeah.
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We're frustrated with the way we play.
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That is such a shift from the mentality of the SEC and Vanderbilt.
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And they've still got, they lost that game.
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Alabama is going to go on and have a great season.
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So Vanderbilt still has a lot in front of them.
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I mean, not since the University of the South counted.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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Shortly before the...
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Was it one of you ever in the SEC?
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I mean, the...
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So it is a founding member of the SEC.
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It looked like that it's been a while.
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It was shortly before the Missouri Compromise.
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Yeah, but...
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We did.
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You know, the last time Vanderbilt beat Alabama and Tuscalis was 1984.
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I was there.
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There about half the stands were empty.
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I was playing part cheesy on the top.
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With somebody who's...
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It's been a long time.
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And now it's a series.
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Was that...
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That's a year after Bear left and things were really bleak.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I think so.
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Along with Joe Willian Mew.
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Are we ever going to get to the news?
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Yeah, I'd like to.
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What?
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Calmness and Associated for the Washington Post, David Ignatiusis with us and co-founder and CEO
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of Axius, Jim Van De Hei is here.
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Thank God.
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Let me tell you, Van De Hei does not play part cheesy during the Green Bay games.
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He was kind enough.
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He and Mike Allen, the family were kind enough to bite me up there.
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Van De Hei.
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Locked in.
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I'll play part cheesy with you anytime.
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Fire.
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The only thing I wanted to say to Vanderbilt was sit out.
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I mean, he's up every play.
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I mean, does he wear one of the cheese hats?
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No, he does not.
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He's, you know, he's a corporate Titan now from Ashkosh.
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So when he goes there, he has to, you know.
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But once that game starts, come on, he is locked in.
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Okay.
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It's exciting.
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Yes, we love it.
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Are you guys going to win?
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Yeah, how good are the Packers this year?
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The two, two, one.
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Kind of, I'm a little confused right now because it looks so great the first two weeks.
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I feel good about the Packers.
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I think you guys are right.
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I think the chiefs kind of stink this year.
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The Ravens, who we thought would be great, really, stink this year.
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And the Eagles might be the worst, most boring foreign one team in the history of football.
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So it's one of them.
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And I've got to say, the Cubs, by the way, the Cubs are a, they're not a good team.
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The Cubs are a very good team and the Brewers right now,
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simply looking like the best team in baseball.
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I know, I don't know if you know this or not.
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Sometimes we talk a little too much about teams on the East Coast in the Eastern time zone.
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And don't talk about Central Times.
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The Milwaukee Brewers best record in baseball all year.
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They don't, they do everything right.
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And man, they have a commanding lead in that series against the Cubs.
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It's really, I mean, it's a great story.
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We've talked about it before.
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I just think like a bunch of no-name players, they're phenomenal.
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They don't have the payroll of you big shots and they keep on winning.
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All right. We'll do sports again in sports, but we've come to session.
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We want to get to the news now.
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And we have a lot to get to this morning first.
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Today marks, if you can believe it, two years since the Hamas terrorist attacks on Israel.
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Well, over a thousand Israeli civilians were killed and dozens were taken hostage.
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The attack was the catalyst, which sparked Israel's military control.
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The campaign in Gaza, which has led to the deaths of tens of thousands in the territory.
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And also set the stage for separate confrontations with other actors in the Middle East, including Iran
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and the Lebanon-based group, Hezbollah.
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In direct talks between Israel and Hamas to end the war in Gaza are expected to continue today in Cairo.
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Negotiations are being mediated by the United States, Qatar and Egypt.
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On social media, President Trump said talks for proceeding rapidly in that yesterday's meetings involved clarifying what he called final detainment.
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And you know, Mika, as I said yesterday, what we're hearing, what I'm hearing from the White House.
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Netanyahu seems boxed in by Donald Trump, boxed in by Americans.
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And increasingly by his own people, and there's a poll that came out last yesterday that showed that.
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I'm going to get to that. Yeah, meanwhile, a new poll finds that two-thirds of Israelis say the time has come to end the war in Gaza.
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The latest poll by the Israel Democracy Institute finds that 66 percent of Israelis say the time has come to end the war in Gaza up 13 points from one year ago.
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That's compared to 27 percent who say that the time has not yet come.
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The main reason is really say the war should end is the endangerment of the hostages followed by those who say the economic and social damage is too great.
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64 percent think prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu should take responsibility for the October 7th attack and resign.
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With 45 percent saying he should do so immediately. And 19 percent saying he should do so after the war.
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And that is one of the issues here is Netanyahu's leadership.
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Yes. And will they all go ahead and say it? So John, me too doesn't have to.
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Abraham Lincoln said with public opinion, anything's possible without it. Nothing is.
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Well, right now Benjamin Netanyahu does not have two-thirds of the Israeli people on the side.
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They want the war to end. 64 percent want him to resign.
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And so this is again, this is something that we've been talking about for a very long time that when the war ends, the people of Israel are going to want Benjamin Netanyahu out.
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And that's important. One of the reasons why he doesn't want the war to end according to the New York Times, Israeli newspapers.
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You see that story replay time and time again.
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Yeah, these numbers are big. They've been trending that way for some time. And yet Netanyahu is persisted in this campaign, still bombing even as these peace negotiations go on, David Ignatius.
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So what are the realistic expectations, the hopes perhaps of what could come out of Cairo and these talks when you have Hamas on one side of the table, Israel on the other?
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What's the best case scenario for a resolution here?
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Well, the hope is that President Trump's peace plan for a phased Israeli withdrawal from Gaza for disarmament of Hamas, for Hamas to accept that its political and military leadership in Gaza is over, will be negotiated.
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There'll be amnesty for those in Hamas who want to take it that Hamas leaders who want to leave Gaza will do so.
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A series of things which amount to total surrender of Hamas. And not surprisingly, Hamas is resisting that, especially it seems the Hamas fighters on the ground in Gaza.
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The leadership that's outside is signaled that it's ready for this deal. But we're still, I think, some days at a minimum from agreement.
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The deal would mean that the 20 living hostages and the bodies of the other hostages would finally come home.
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But this two-year story that's been so tragic, traumatic in every way for both Israelis and Palestinians, if not be over, would move under a different phase.
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But these negotiations require Hamas to face up to the reality that its moment is over.
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It's a moment is over. And here's the New York Times today talking about the tragic, tragic arc, John Meacham of this two-year war.
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I think so much. You know, they say history doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes. It seems, this seems to be rhyming. A good deal with the United States after 9-11.
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We had the world on our side, just like Israel had the world on its side after October 7th. We were seen as overreaching Benjamin Netanyahu, seen as overreaching.
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And even in America, among Jewish Americans, the numbers are just striking. The condemnation of Benjamin Netanyahu, I think, well over 60%.
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Well, Netanyahu's leadership is real down 32%. But then American Jews are asked if Benjamin Netanyahu has committed crimes against war crimes against Palestinians 61% in America.
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Only 29% of Jewish Americans say he has not committed war crimes. And almost 4 in 10, almost 4 in 10, Jewish Americans say Netanyahu has committed his policies of the amount of two, genocide against Palestinians and Gaza.
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The White House sees these numbers. This is not like anti-Semitism. Nobody can squawk that it's anti-Semitism. When these are American Jews that are saying this, the White House sees this.
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And that's one of the reasons I think the totality of all this is when Netanyahu first started to talk down the peace prospect, the report out of Axis, which we talked in Jim Van Dybe in a second, was President Trump screamed in Netanyahu.
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So why are you always so effing negative? This is, White House, and we're going to get this done. And it looks like that may be the case in part because the weakness now of Netanyahu's own standing in Israel and America.
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If one needed a case study in the interactability, the perils, the combination of both human factors and historical ones, the underlying factors of identity and real estate and justice, you couldn't do a better one.
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I mean, this is a more revealing case study in that, I was just thinking as you were talking, Mika's father was dealing with this 50 years ago.
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Right. You know, this is a, and I would argue I don't know where David would rank this the last two years in his career in terms of the Middle East.
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But everything, every way you sort of walk up to it, there's nothing straightforward. I would think it's hard. There's nothing simple about this.
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And it requires something that we don't have enough of, which is a capacity for those in power to give up that power if they need to, to establish a greater good. And that's something that's very hard to arrive at.
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Jim Van Hyde, let's talk about that Axios report Joe mentioned you obviously have Jared Kushner Steve Whitkopf running these negotiations for the United States in Cairo.
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But the president himself clearly according to your report and others frustrated with Prime Minister Netanyahu is in transigence, is unwillingness to sit down and yield anything at the moment.
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So how frustrated is Donald Trump with BB Netanyahu today?
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I think very frustrated, interesting kind of peak behind the curtain. I think three of the last four weekends, President Trump has talked to Brock Reveed at Axios specifically about this topic.
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And in each one of those conversations, he's pushing really hard for a deal, making it very clear he's getting frustrated with Netanyahu that he's tired of feeling like he's kind of getting played and that he wants this resolved.
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And if there's a deal, it really is going to be because the president has had it with BB and that he's not going to enable him anymore.
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He's the one person I think that BB has to listen to. So as you want to think about these dynamics, there's really two people to follow.
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I would read what David Ignatius writes about this because he comes at it with sourcing from so many different areas. And then Brock Reveed, who's actually talking to the president, talking to folks in Israel,
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and then talking to the people who are involved in the peace deal, one of the reasons that the president is so adamant about getting this done. And I think express some confidence in getting it done is that you have Jared Kushner and you have Tony Blair, you have others who've been pushing for a much more global deal in the Middle East.
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And he feels like he's quite invested in that. And so it's still a long shot. There's so many pieces that have to come together.
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There's a million reasons Hamas wouldn't want to do this deal or return the hostages and give up the power that it has. But I think as long as the president's putting that pressure on BB, it gives you the best possible chance that you can finally end this.
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And you know, David Ignatius, speaking of Jared Kushner, Jared is an example of actually, of how actually experience pays off. Right?
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You have a White House that has a bunch of people who are in cabinet agencies that seem ill equipped because of a lack of experience in those positions.
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You had Kushner flying around the Middle East for the first four years, putting together the Abraham Accords dealing with all these people. He knows him as well as anybody in the United States.
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He's been doing it again with Steve Whitcough. They have been flying around and you know, even you and week when after the guitar attack.
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And people thought the deal was dead. My reporting is that's when they all sat in a room with the guitar leadership during you and week and said, come on.
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Now is the time to do a deal. And because they knew the party so well, they were able to say when the guitarist said, Netanyahu is not going to do anything.
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They reportedly said, we'll take care of Netanyahu. You take care of Hamas. And let's not negotiate. Let's write down 20 or so points that they're going to have to agree to.
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And it's worked. And again, to me, that's a lesson again in experience in being there and not just coming off of a talk show and running the Department of Defense.
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Not just coming off of some crank.
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You know, a section of the anti-vax movement and running HHS. And I'm dead serious. You have somebody who has experience who knows people.
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This is why George HW Bush was such, you know, so extraordinary in bringing the Cold War to an end because he had been doing it for decades with the people whose relationships mattered in making that happen the way it did.
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And so now here's Kushner who's been around doing this with the Abraham Accords. And now here's part two of it. I mean, it seems to me a very clear message should make it into the Oval Office. Yeah, experience matters.
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So you're you're right, Joe, in that the Jared Kushner does have contracts across the Middle East. He jumped into business with Saudi money after Trump first administration ended.
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Some say he's too close, but he does understand the issues is the contacts. I remember two years ago in the immediate aftermath of October 7th, traveling to Israel.
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And hearing Israelis say, and you could see it in their body language and everything they did, a sense that the country was so shaken and traumatized by what had happened that is one senior official put it to me.
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We can't find ourselves out of this on our own. We need American help. And they finally got it in a very firm, insistent push from Donald Trump back by the expertise of Jared Kushner.
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This peace plan came together really because Kushner with Trump's backing took all the elements that Arab countries Israel, all the players had been working on sometimes for for more than a year and pushed them together and demanded that they be acted on.
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And suddenly this became a 20 point peace plan, Donald Trump's peace plan, but it was something that was pulled together really as you say over a weekend.
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The question now, I think is in this conflict, you can get people right to the edge of peace. I've seen that over and over again. But getting them in that last distance, getting Hamas to actually accept that it will be disarmed in Gaza.
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That is, as I said earlier, that its moment is ended. There's a lot still to be done. It's easier to say that than make it happen. But you're right. In this case, the US had both some expertise on Christrass part and President Trump's increasingly intense commitment to make it happen and his anger at Netanyahu who was resistance.
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Closing the deal is next impossible. I mean, it happened so rarely. We saw it happen 26 years ago in Ireland, Northern Ireland. It just doesn't happen. It just doesn't happen that much here though.
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We're a unique situation where, as David said, the Israeli said, we can't find ourselves out of this alone. We need the Americans here playing a role. And air bleeders have been telling me for a couple of years. Yeah, we'll be glad to help. We'll be glad to help.
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But Trump and the Americans have to be there. We're not going to do it unless they're there. It's so opposite of what we've heard about, you know, from so many air bleeders through the years, which is, you guys stay away. You worry about you. We'll worry about us.
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Now, it seems both sides and this intractable 3,000 year conflict you're saying, all right, we'll, we'll be in if the Americans are in.
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I think David's exactly right. Someone has to give something at the, at the last moment, that's what a compromise is. It's not a compromise if you want to do it.
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And, you know, I think our Reinhold Nieber, you know, the, the sadduty of politics is to establish justice in a sinful world. And politics is according yesterday.
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Who's a quoting us for you? Nieber.
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Reinhold Nieber.
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In fact, they called it a halftime of Vanderbilt gang, right? And what did I say? This is Nieber S.
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It's just a new exact which meant I didn't even see we talking shorthand.
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And I said I don't want to float. Yeah, I'm what I was saying. But Nieber S. But go ahead.
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The tragedy of history is it's default.
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Yes. You all right?
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It's, it's, it's happy conclusions. You know, order is the exception not the rule.
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And what we're all called to do is to work for that order.
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And this question is the single most intractable geopolitical issue of the last what certainly certainly certainly since 1948.
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Yeah.
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Certainly since the reestablishment of Israel is a step.
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Yeah. And it's just it's really, really hard.
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All right. The Washington Post, David Ignatius, thank you very much for being here this morning.
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Good to see you and still I had a very good W imitation. It's hard.
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It's all right.
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All right. As we enter day seven of the government shutdown, we'll tell you where things stand this morning on Capitol Hill.
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And the surprise Republican who's supporting part of the Democrats demands.
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Order to second base Tommy Edmond.
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Low throw Freddie Freeman with the scoop and the ballgame is over.
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Oh my goodness.
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Freddie's always there, man, but they escaped the Dodgers.
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It was a ninth inning rally by the Phillies. That scoop in first base by Freddie Freeman saved the game.
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L.A. holds on for a 4-3 win, pushing the Phillies now to the brink of elimination.
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The best of five series shifts to Los Angeles, we're game three tomorrow night with the Dodgers up to nothing.
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Join us now, the co-host of our fourth-hour staff writer at the Atlantic Johnson Lemire.
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And MSNBC contributor, our good friend, Mike Barnacle.
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Lemire, the playoffs.
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My Yankees are getting out scored like 10 nothing every game, 13-7.
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You got the Phillies on the brink of elimination, the Cubs on the brink of elimination.
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The only competitive series at this point is the Brewers and excuse me, the Mariners and the Tigers.
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Yeah, the heart breaks for the Yankees to be sure.
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I feel it.
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But that's serious.
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How did you get through this weekend?
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It's been a really tough challenge.
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It was a real challenge.
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So that's why you were texting me. It's now 12 to nothing.
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Something like that.
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That's not over till it's rooting.
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Like I don't root against you guys when you're not playing.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I'm outside the weather.
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You're playing with me.
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Yes, stop that.
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You know what?
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You have 27 rings.
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Yeah.
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It's been a while, though.
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We root against.
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It should be sure.
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But series, look, series not over.
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I mean, yes, I know.
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But they come home.
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I'm not saying no.
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No, no, we've done.
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I'm not saying that.
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Wait, who thinks it's over?
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You think it's over?
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I mean, we're in first of all, they get through tonight.
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You've got tomorrow, you've got the blue jays that are having the cobble together a bullpen star.
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I will say at the end of their season, they're pitching staff.
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They were lost.
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They didn't know what to do other than their number ones.
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I'm dead serious.
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Other than the number one starter, I can very easily see this one going to five.
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And then the Yankees are going to have to do something they've not been able to do this year.
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And that is play well in Toronto against Toronto's best pitcher.
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The baseball gods have decreed.
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Oh, it's over.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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But if the Yankees can swing tonight, you guys have Walter Johnson going tomorrow in the
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full of games litter.
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So I mean, it's not it's not very so that's the reference to get to the get to the get to the
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young guy tomorrow.
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Yeah.
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So, well, I'm sure they win tonight and it does remind me 2004 where Melor said you don't want
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to win game four because we have here game five games six.
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If you guys win tonight, then game and I mean, and Rodon is at a great year.
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And suddenly you've got this young Walter Johnson.
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And then it's, you know, all the pressure is on Toronto going back home and it's tied up going into the final game.
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In a hole, I definitely don't think it's over.
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We're on Slitler and then who knows?
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Anything happens in elimination.
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I will say we were Mike and I were just talking about this before coming on.
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The Phillies, you know, they're in it every year.
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So good.
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And they're so great every year.
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And yet in the playoffs, they have just started.
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I mean, the Dodgers might just be inevitable.
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They're just so good.
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And yet last night in the ninth that reveals their issues of the bullpen, like that's the concern.
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But they just, they just find ways to win.
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The Phillies top three in the order one, two, three have done zero.
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Yeah, for this team.
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If they bounce back, the Phillies will bounce back.
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One, two, three.
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And what about, let's talk about the Brewers again.
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Here's the team that again, yellow is placed for the Brewers.
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That's all I can tell you.
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I just know it's a team that does everything right, Willie.
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They are an extraordinary team.
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And they are beating a really good Chicago cops team right now and making it look easy.
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Yeah, the Cubs were great this year.
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It's just that they were playing a division with the Brewers who were the best team in baseball.
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And they're showing it now.
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Sometimes it takes until October for this kind of showcase for a team like this.
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And the country wakes up and sees just how good they are.
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Somebody does write to me, say, you think the reason that you guys say the Brewers have flown under the radar?
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Because all you talk about is the Yankees and the rest.
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That's fair.
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That's fair.
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That's very good.
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Let's talk under the radar no more.
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So Mike, here's a line up.
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Who do you like?
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I like the Brewers all the way.
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Gone all the way.
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Yeah, I think they're the best team in baseball.
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They're managed by one of the best managers in baseball.
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You talk about a guy who doesn't get much publicity, much notice.
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I mean, he was Craig Council's bench coach for several years.
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He was Craig Council's manager coach, noted aim.
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Yeah.
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And now he took Craig Council's job.
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And Jack.
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So that was the baseball god.
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That's what they decreed.
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They had to create it.
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Yes.
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So let's talk in a fell really quickly.
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An incredible ending, John Limer last night in Jacksonville, where a couple of stumbles lead to,
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since and that, I mean, lead to Kansas City Chiefs, Pablo's Kansas City Chiefs.
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Who he still is riding out, scrolling in his male Gibson type conspiracy theory way is the best team in the NFL.
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They're two and three.
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Yeah, my concerns are very raised about Pablo.
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I know.
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He needs to we for thought they were behind this week and turns out they played money and they lost and tough.
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It's not fashion.
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Look, I mean, they've earned the benefit of the doubt the chiefs.
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I'm not going to bury them just yet, but they do seem off.
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Yeah.
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You know, my home's throws the bad pick six.
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You know, they give up the wild Trevor Lawrence run there at the end.
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That's a huge, that's also probably the biggest win for the Jacksonville Jaguars franchise in many years.
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Oh my gosh.
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I'm going to run with Blake Bortles.
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Yeah, I've got to say also Willie, just a story that we, you know, we all got on the set going what in the world?
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Mark Sanchez.
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Okay.
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Well, the pictures, the pictures that are coming out of what he did to that poor man.
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It's going on.
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I mean, it's, wow.
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It's all like a game.
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It's shocking.
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The headliner is Mark Sanchez stabbed in Indianapolis ago.
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That's terrible.
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What happened?
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He was a victim of a crime.
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And then these details come out of what he did allegedly to this truck driver who was working a night shift trying to, you know, clean out grease from hotels.
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And everyone you hear from, everybody talks to that it's completely out of character for who Mark Sanchez is.
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So I don't know what happened, but my gosh, it's truly, truly awful what he's alleged to have done.
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Yeah.
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Well, Fox Sports Analyst and former NFL quarterback who was saying work Sanchez is now facing a felony charge following a violent.
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An altercation with a 69 year old truck driver over the weekend in Indianapolis.
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Prosecutors say the upgraded charge of battery resulting in serious bodily injury was added after learning more about the extent of the injuries suffered by the driver.
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Police say an argument over parking escalated into a physical fight, which led to Sanchez being stabbed multiple times.
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The video obtained by the New York Post appears to show Sanchez walking away from the scene with a bloodied shirt in a statement on his behalf.
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Sanchez's brother Nick wrote in part, this has been a deeply distressing time for everyone involved adding Mark remains under medical care for the serious injuries he sustained and is focused on his recovery as the legal process contains.
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And we're not we are not showing a picture of the truck driver.
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It's we saw the New York Post. He's just brutalized the truck driver has filed a separate lawsuit against Sanchez and Fox Sports alleging he sustained permanent injuries.
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Okay, we've got a lot more news to get to as well, including the continuation of the government shutdown.
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The president saying he's talked to Democrats Democrats saying no, he hasn't. We'll figure out what's happening.
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And also the impact on the FAA causing massive delays. We'll be right back.
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42 past the hour. Welcome back federal aviation administration officials say staffing shortages are causing widespread delays at airports across the country.
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According to flight aware more than 4,000 flights were delayed yesterday with the heaviest impacts in Denver, Newark and Las Vegas.
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In California, the Hollywood Burbank airports control tower went unmanned for several hours forcing others to fight.
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Is that bad? Nobody just showed up.
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For some other facilities to handle traffic remotely. It's one thing if you're down like two servers at Duncan Donuts.
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It's another thing if nobody shows up at a control tower and law is angelous one business or at the end of the night.
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Or at the end of the night. Exactly.
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The FAA said outgoing flights there were delayed by more than two hours on average transportation secretary Sean Duffy warned.
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The ongoing government shutdown is adding immense stress to it is already a high pressure job for controllers.
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He also mentioned there has been a slight uptick in controllers calling out sick.
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As for the shutdown, the Senate yesterday rejected both Democratic and Republican funding bills for a fifth time.
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The House remains out of session after speaker Mike Johnson canceled votes saying the chamber has done its job in passing.
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He doesn't want these. He doesn't want Republicans around. He does not want House members around Willie.
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Why? Well, there are a couple reasons. If the House members are around, we've heard about the Epstein thing.
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They'll have enough votes to release the Epstein files.
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Yeah, be good because that's one reason.
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But I'm starting to think more and more that that you know, he does want him around because he has such a small majority.
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They're going to say listen, there are a lot of Republicans that are in districts where their people are going to start feeling the pain.
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Absolutely.
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We're going to show a quote from her. She's up in Dalton, Georgia. I know Dalton, Georgia very well.
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Spent all my summers up in Dalton, Georgia. I'm just saying you cut Medicaid funding in Dalton, Georgia.
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You cut Medicaid funding. You know in between the Dalton, Chad and Nougat sort of, you know, Walker County.
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Katuse the county. C Rock City, Ruby Falls, all of those things.
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You're going to have a lot of rural hospitals hurting. You're going to have a lot of nursing homes hurting.
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You're going to have a lot of a lot of young Georgians, kids not getting the type of care they need to get.
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That's why Mike Johnson doesn't want Republicans in town because their, their constituents are getting hurt.
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And you look at all of the people in districts that Harris won.
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And, you know, Republicans have a lot of reasons to actually vote with Democrats here and bring back some of these cuts.
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And talk about an interesting bell weather, Marjorie Taylor, Green saying to Republicans, guys, this isn't good for us.
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We want to expand those Medicaid benefits.
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My constituents like the Affordable Care Act that allows them to have health care.
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You're taking that away from them. This is bad. Says Marjorie Taylor, Green.
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That district is a really interesting microcosm of what's happened in the country because when I was growing up,
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right across the Tennessee state line, it was a secure democracy.
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Solid democracy. Absolutely.
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And then in 1992, a guy named Pat Buchanan, he does extremely well up there in the primaries against Bush 41.
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Right. And now it's this, you know, deep red district. But with this, you know, they need government.
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Well, I mean, it's, it's like my district.
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It was in Northwest Florida. It was a democratic district from reconstruction up into 1994.
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But man, you know, when I campaigned, I didn't go to the Republican meetings first.
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I went to the Ross Pro United We Stand meetings first and nailed down my base there.
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Then I nailed down the, the, as I called it, the wine and cheese Republicans.
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And then I had the, that's, that's what a lot of these districts are.
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They are conservative, but they are populist and the people in those districts need their parents need Medicaid funding,
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their children need Medicaid funding. And more importantly than that, even if they're not on Medicaid,
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the healthcare facilities they go to are overwhelmingly dependent on Medicaid.
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So they're having to shut down parts of their hospitals. They're having to fire staff.
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They're having to get rid of pediatricians. They're having to get rid of the people who take care of their parents in the later years of their life.
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This is bad news for Republicans. A trillion dollars slashed from healthcare funding to give trillion dollars in tax cuts to Elon Musk and, you know, the richest people in the world.
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Yeah, it's so easy. Just take the beltway perspective and who's up who's down politically?
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And it's important to remember the real people who are being involved by this, where they live in blue districts or red districts or swing districts.
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And you're absolutely right. We know how underwater this so-called one big beautiful bill is. Right now, you know, there's a lot of messaging wars in terms of the shutdown.
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But at the end of the day, Republicans do control all three branches of government. Odds are, they're going to take a lot of the blame, Mike.
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And I also think it's not a helpful look when the House Speaker keeps Republicans away. They can't do their job.
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First of all, I think it's going to be more of a storyline that there's a district in Arizona that does not have representation in Congress right now.
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You know, just constituent services. They do not have a Congresswoman because Mike Johnson won't seat her because of all this and because of the Epstein matter.
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And, you know, just want to keep Republicans at home. That's going to make people think, wait, they're abandoning me.
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You know, the sub lead in this story, if you've had newspapers still, we still have a few things to say.
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We need government as well as Democrats, especially Republicans as Joe just explained who depend on Medicaid, who depend on traveling and get covered by the ACA.
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And I worried about the premiums going up and things. They're not Republicans or Democrats when it comes to health care.
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And the fact that it's been avoided linking the two partially is a result of Johnson decided not to have Republicans hanging around Washington
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because they would be forced to talk about the constituents when asked.
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So, Jim Van De
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How do you see this fever breaking if you see it breaking Donald Trump expressed yesterday?
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You know, he changes from day to day, but some willingness to negotiate a little bit.
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Where is the room for negotiation here?
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I mean, it has to be around those subsidies, right? And Republicans don't want to do it. And I think Democrats feel they probably do want to do a deal, but the leadership is under so much pressure because the base just feels like they're weak and inept.
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And that this is their one chance to actually make a stand against the president.
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So, I think this could drag on a little bit longer than people realize.
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And I think one of the ticking time bombs of American politics right now is health care.
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And you're only seeing a glimpse of it right now because you have these Medicaid cuts that are going to kick in that obviously affects people who are either in a bad place in life or not making that much money.
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You have these Obamacare subsidies that are the price of your premiums about to go up.
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And then anybody who's getting employer-based health care, there's already been reports out there.
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I was just talking to one of the biggest insurers.
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The average premiums are going to go up 18% just because people need more care.
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I'm in the middle of budgeting at Axios.
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Ours is going up way more than 18%.
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So then when you're an employer, you have to think about, okay, do we eat all of that?
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Or do you have to pass it on to your employees?
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If you do pass it on to your employees, they're having to pay more out of pocket, ultimately for health care.
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So this is a huge problem.
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And part of it is just the nature of having this like partially private, partially public health care system that we have that's growing insanely expensive.
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And insanely inefficient.
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And I think this is just a taste of it.
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And I think for Republicans, especially if you're in a tight district, and you're someone like Marjorie Taylor-Green, who...
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There's a strain of MAGA that is kind of purist in its MAGA feelings, which is, hey, we got elected by helping people who were in the working class,
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and helping people who were kind of forgotten by the Republican Party.
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And now that we're in power, it seems like we're forgetting them again.
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So they're really trying to hold their feet to the fire.
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And I think this comes through with Medicaid cuts, especially in places where that's really propping up the medical system.
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And that's the thing.
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Again, it's not just if Marjorie Taylor-Green's constituents are on Medicaid or not.
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It's not just if a Republican and upstate New York's constituents are all on Medicaid.
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The hospitals are overwhelmingly dependent on that funding.
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And that funding's been slashed.
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So you have... I know this works. You have hospital administrators calling you up going, hey, can you come into my office?
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I need to show you what we're going to have to close down if these cuts go through.
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And suddenly you see that your constituents aren't...
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They're going to get substandard health care.
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Because there are some people that are trying to make this point.
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That's the money being used for.
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Yeah, and the money's being used, of course, here.
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Money's been... what Bill Clinton did to us in 95 and 96.
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The money's being used for tax cuts for the rich.
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And yeah, there's not a stronger argument.
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I can think of an American politics than they're slashing your children and your parents' health care to pay for tax cuts for the rich, for Elon Musk and for the richest billionaires in Silicon Valley.
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I just want to circle back really quickly because we've been talking about this some, but I don't think people are paying attention to it enough.
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Yes, of course, we're talking about public health care.
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We're talking about Medicaid and Medicare.
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But what you touched on, I want to touch on again, private health care insurance is exploding.
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Not only is it exploding, people are feeling it.
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There's a real crisis out there.
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You know, we always talked about how in Canada, oh, we don't want...
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We don't want nationalized health care because it takes six months to get the doctor or the procedure you want.
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That's now happening in some cases with private health care, where they'll deny the deny, deny the finally approved, and then they'll come back with the denial letter.
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And you just keep going around in circles to try to get to see the doctor you want to go see.
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Private health care insurance, the exploding cost of it, along with Medicaid, Medicare.
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These other issues, those are going to combine for a toxic mix on the campaign trail and the coming months and years, aren't they?
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Yeah, and again, it goes back to what you were talking about experience and competence.
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We have this bloated, complicated, way too expensive health care system that is really one of the most bureaucratic, almost unexplainable systems and feels unfixable.
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Well, the only way you fix it is actually having people who have authentic expertise who take this and try to figure out how to get it.
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And then we have RFK Jr.
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We have RFK Jr. who's declaring a war on vaccines.
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That's who we have, Jim. I'm sorry to go ahead, but instead of having an expert that can sort through this to drive down prices, we have RFK Jr.
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They're at HHS.
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Right, and like aspiration, there's so many components of the Maha movement that make a ton of sense.
spk_0
People should live healthier. They should be thinking about what's in their food.
spk_0
But you also have a very sick population. Just look at the numbers. It is what it is.
spk_0
And I've experienced it. My wife has had a lot of different health issues. And we have all of the benefits.
spk_0
We have Blue Cross Blue Shield. We know doctors. We can do whatever we want.
spk_0
And it's still a terrible system. It's still a terribly inefficient system.
spk_0
So that poor person who's on Medicaid who only has one hospital to go to, it's not just, oh, it's a political topic.
spk_0
It's their damn life, right? It's whether or not they can get the medicine that they need, whether they can get the treatment that they need.
spk_0
If they can't get to the hospital, it's not close enough. They might not go at all. They don't go. They die.
spk_0
And that's why competence matters. And thinking about these topics and the complexity of it matters.
spk_0
And so this, whatever, this is another political fireworks show. It'll be resolved like every other shutdown has in the past.
spk_0
But I think the reality of the health care system is really coming into full focus.
spk_0
And it comes into full focus when you don't get something you need or what you need cost a hell of a lot more than you can afford.
spk_0
Well, even after this is resolved, health care is going to remain a massive growing crisis.
spk_0
Yes. Axiast Co. Founder and CEO Jim Van De Haay. Thank you very much.
spk_0
We'll be watching the latest episode of the Axiast Show, which came out this morning in which Jim sits down with New York Times, bestselling author and motivational speaker Mel Robbins coming up.
spk_0
We have motivational speaker, John meet him here. I think I like Mel Robbins.
spk_0
Yeah.
spk_0
What is that?
spk_0
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, my motivational story of ours.
spk_0
Well, I mean, when you have Reinhold Nieber and James K. Poll coming up.