How Women’s College Basketball has Stepped into the L.A. Spotlight

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Speaker A Paolo Ugetti.

Speaker B I'm holding right here a copy of the Los Angeles Times from earlier in January, a different publication, but the COVID story is about Corey Close, who is the head coach of the UCLA Bruins women's basketball team. I, of course, have been following juju and the USC Trojans for some time, but I think more so for you personally, as somebody that covers this, when did you realize women's basketball had arrived in Los Angeles?

Speaker C I kind of want to go back to last year. The first matchup between these two teams was January. UCLA was undefeated. They were playing at Galen Center. It was a packed crowd. The energy was insane. Juju Watkins went off and won that game for usc.

Speaker D Cam Brown staying in front of juju.

Speaker E But juju brings her all the way to the rack.

Speaker D There's nobody in the country that juju Watkins doesn't think she could score on.

Speaker C And after the game, I think everybody sort of realized there was a moment for college basketball, for women's college basketball in la. Both coaches talked about it after, and they said, don't let this moment just be this right? Like, let's push this forward. And I think from that moment until now, you've seen a real momentum.

Speaker D I just have goosebumps looking at this crowd. I mean, juju Watkins has made this must see TV at usc. Everyone wants to be courtside. Everyone wants to watch her play, take her in.

Speaker C Famous people going to games. There's pack, crowd sold out. It's been awesome to watch that.

Speaker B That is very cool. And, you know, for all the times and reasons that Los Angeles is the center of the sports universe, I mean, did you ever imagine that women's basketball would be the reason for it?

Speaker C You don't really think about it that way, but I think there's been something building right with the sport. Obviously, you had Caitlin Clark. You have UConn being a powerhouse. And in some ways, UConn has been kind of the home for elite women's college basketball, and now South Carolina, too. But LA has slowly and surely been growing. This real cool environment. I mean, you go to these games like fans, stay afterwards to just say hi to juju or even just cheer on the players after the game. There's a stern energy that has really brought about this kind of excitement to women's college basketball that we've not seen in the city before Thursday.

Speaker B It's going to be the center of the universe once again when UCLA, at 23:0, the only undefeated team in men or women's basketball, travels to USC, who's 21 and two, I mean, it's one of the biggest matchups in conference history. And it's not the PAC12.

Speaker C Nope.

Speaker B Just how big do you expect this game to be?

Speaker C It's huge. I mean, everybody's looking forward to this game for a reason. I think going into the year everybody expected USC to be one of the premier teams in the sport. But UCLA has really come on and I mean they've been flawless.

Speaker E And the Bruins knock off the number one team in the nation after they've.

Speaker F Won 43 in a row.

Speaker C They've not lost the game. They've looked dominant every part of their of their game really.

Speaker F And UCLA will continue its run. Right now that has been so fun to watch. The best start in program history continues, led by a career day from Lauren Betts.

Speaker C So this game is going to really determine not just bragging rights in la, but I think too who's going to be atop the new Big Ten Conference.

Speaker A The explosion of women's basketball over the last few years has pulled plenty of new names and teams into the national conversation. And among them USC and UCLA's women's basketball teams. Two programs that have spent decades living in the shadow of other legacies. To say nothing of LA's true love, the Lakers. But now they're playing the sold out crowds with household names. And like Juju Watkins and Lauren Betts making all of their games must see tv. All of this drama is just setting the stage for an epic clash between these two on Thursday. One that I'll be watching in person by the by. So today Paolo Ugetti joins the show to tell us how these teams got here, where they are going and why Loving women's hoops is the new normal in Los Angeles, I'm Clinton Yates. It's Wednesday, February 12th. This is ESPN Daily.

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Speaker B Paulo. We know how it's going for both SC and ucla. But we first need to look at where this all started. When you think of these powerhouses in women's basketball, where do the Bruins fit into that conversation this century?

Speaker C We know UCLA has a huge history of men's college basketball. Women's college basketball has kind of flying a little bit under the radar. They've never made it to a Final Four. Their closest was an elite eight in 2018. And last year, they thought they had a really special team, but they came up just short on the Sweet 16.

Speaker E Dougalic gets blocked from behind by Johnson. LSU has it, and that should just about do it. With 12.7 to go, LSU is headed to the Elite Eight.

Speaker C So I think there's. There's a certain kind of momentum that coach Corey Close has been able to develop for this team and really giving them some kind of energy to. To. To really turn themselves into a college basketball powerhouse. Like I said, I mean, you have the Yukons and the South Carolinas of the world, but now there's a West coast power, too.

Speaker B What about SC and Southern Cal in terms of the history they bring to the table?

Speaker C That's. Similarly. There's not been much there before, right? I mean, there's obviously you have Cheryl Miller, who is, you know, an iconic.

Speaker E Player for Cheryl Miller, just a freshman, perhaps the best female player ever. One second, it's all over, and Southern Cal has won the National Cupid Kick.

Speaker C But I think the recent success that they've had has really been about investing into that program. They hired Kristen Lindsay Gottlieb away from the NBA, and she's brought in a recruiting class that has been able to, you know, really push the program forward. And obviously, having a player like juju Watkins, I think that's what's given them a lot of momentum going forward.

Speaker B So where was their head coach? Lindsey Gottlieb, for those who don't know.

Speaker C Before she landed at sc, she was with the Cavaliers. She was an assistant with them. So she's kind of risen up the ranks. And I think for USC to get her, that was such a huge coup for them and really set the tone for the program to really go back to those days of Cheryl Miller and really kind of harp on that history, but also push the program forward and really look at what they could do by acquiring the best talent in Southern California.

Speaker B Cheryl Miller, of course, legendary talent on her own. Sister of Reggie Miller, who some of you might recognize as a name for the NBA and who was a good college player as well. Let's talk about how these two rosters were made, though. In 2022, everything seemed to change for UCLA. How did they make all of this happen?

Speaker C So they really brought in an incredibly talented recruiting class that year, and not all of the players are still here, but the core of Kiki Rice, Gabriela Hakiz, and London Jones, they kind of became this foundation of players who saw what Close wanted to do with this program. When I talked to Gabriela the other day, she said, when we came in as freshmen, everybody kept telling us, you guys are going to be so good one day. You guys are going to be so good. And we kept saying, we want to be good now. You know, they didn't want to wait. But now, three years later, they can see, okay. All the work that we put in as freshmen, then as sophomores has kind of led to this moment where they have a team that's really well constructed. Corey Close said it's probably the most intentionally constructed team she's had. So they've been waiting for this moment and have been able to put it all together. So on top of this junior core that they have, they added Stamford transferred Lauren Betts, who's probably the biggest mismatch in the sport right now. She's 6 foot 7. They play through her in the post and it's allowed them to really take their offense to a whole new level.

Speaker E Down to Betts, Lauren Batts, Unstoppable 2011.

Speaker D Yeah, there's nothing you could do to stop that.

Speaker C They've also added some freshman shooting from Alina Arnazalo, who has been a key three point shooter for them. So they've complemented this junior team with some really good pieces both inside and outside that's allowed them to, you know, not lose a single game this season.

Speaker B You know, Gabriela Hakaz and weird, another sibling sort of situation. Sister of Jaime Hawkes, who obviously plays for the Heat now, who's a big player for ucla. What I mean, that was interesting at the time, those two both being there together.

Speaker C Yeah, I mean, they clearly were huge part of the UCLA basketball culture. It's been fun to see her development. Right. Everybody knows Jaime and how he kind of went on to the NBA. But Gabrielle has been such a key player for this team. I mean, she, when I talked to her, she kept harping on the fact that they've just been able to develop this key chemistry between those juniors and bringing in those other players that's really just, you know, I think set the tone for the season and been able to, you know, compliment them.

Speaker B Well, it's interesting because, you know, these different sports, everything with the transfer portal and all that, the ability to keep players is almost more vital to development than talent in some ways. Is that something you're seeing with these two squads?

Speaker C Yeah. Especially with ucla. I think you can see why people, players want to play for Coach Close. I Mean, she has this real fervor and energy that makes her a very compelling coach and also just somebody that you want to play for. Right. She has talked about how she's been able to motivate her team despite the fact that they're undefeated. She has to be the bad guy.

Speaker H I love them very much and that is why I could care less about 17 0. All I care about is 1 and oh, I only care about putting all of our energy to be the best version of ourselves and our best version of ourselves collectively. And it's because I love them that I hold them to that narrow standard.

Speaker C So I think there's something there to how she's developed that culture where players want to play with her, they want to stick around, and they want to play for something bigger than just one season.

Speaker B You know, the relationship that Coach Close has with John Wooden is a very, very deep connection. That's what this story is about, the one that I was telling you about before that sort of got a lot of this not on my radar, but made me want to dig deeper with you. Can you tell me a little bit about that connection that those two have between her and Coach Wooden?

Speaker C Yeah, it's a really cool story. I mean, lays it out in the story, but basically, you know, Coach Coleslaw was an assistant at ucla and when she first met John Wood and then Wooden took a liking to her because her, his great granddaughter had the same name, Corey, and spelled C O R I. Right. And so they connected over that. They stayed in touch over the years and she went on her way. Right. She went to UC Santa Barbara, assisted at Florida State, and eventually she came back to coach ucla, you know, a year after Wooden pass. So I think there, there's a cool connection there because she's now become such a big name, not just in UCLA lore, but also in the sport. She's the winning this coach for, for the program and really has this program looking as good as it's ever been. So the fact that she has a connection to Wooden and also the way she coaches, I mean, she has a very, I want to say, old school style. Right. I mean, so much of basketball coaching nowadays is very player driven, player forward, and understandably so. But I think she is bringing a little bit of that old school energy and sort of character back to the sport in a way that's, that's really unique and stands out.

Speaker B John Wooden used to say all the time that women's college basketball was his favorite form of the game because of the style of play they Understood a little bit more about ball movement because everything wasn't designed to be above the rim, which proved prescient to now because personally I do find myself liking women's basketball a lot more as a watchability factor because also everybody doesn't look like the same player, which is sort of a different discussion entirely. But I only bring that up to say from your vantage point, Paolo, and what you've seen, how much of this is here to stay. And as fans, you know, do we look at this and see it as more than just sort of a flash in the pan, particularly for not just these LA teams, but, you know, in general across the conference, I think there's.

Speaker C A cool contrast with the sport like you're talking about, like you're able to watch a team succeed the way that USC is doing with a, you know, ball first kind of shoot first player like juju. And then you're also able to see UCLA succeeding, running through the post and playing kind of that more old school ball. And that I think is what will make the sport, I think be substantial and something that sticks beyond these few years, right? Obviously you need the stars, you need the Caitlin Clarks, you need the juju Watkins. But I think with these coaches are very keenly aware of, and they talk about a lot is we want this to last, right? We want this to be more than just this one season. And the way they do that is building that culture, right? And Corey has obviously built it at ucla, Lindsey's trying to build it at usc. And I think fans are hooked. I mean, obviously the stars matter, but I think fans are hooked to kind of rallying around these programs, rallying around these teams and, and making something, making this something that is going to last beyond a few years.

Speaker B 14 miles away. You've got the Trojans. They're led by Juju Watkins, who we talked about a little bit. She's the projected number one pick and she has been such since she was about 17 years old. What else has this team done though, in terms of building up their roster?

Speaker C I think adding somebody like Kiki Riafin, who the other night you could see what her value was, right? Juju was having a bad shooting game, she was trying to shoot through it. And Kiki came in, scored 24 points, grabbed slew of rebounds and really set the tone for the, for the entire team.

Speaker E Corner Trey.

Speaker B No Iri Finn claims another offensive rebound.

Speaker E She goes to work and scores.

Speaker D So Iria Finn has been working all.

Speaker E Night and a big part of that.

Speaker D Has been using her size.

Speaker C They were not going to be able to win that game. Coach Gottlieb said it, we would not win this game last year even with juju. Right. The fact that they've added her, they've added some shooting from freshmen like Kennedy Smith and Avery Howell, I think has really allowed juju to have a bad game. Right. And still be able to succeed. And obviously she's still the focal point of everything they do on offense, but now they have a more complete team to show for it.

Speaker B How would you rank juju's season so far versus what she's done versus what you think is going to happen in terms of where she goes down the line? Just. There's been some frustrating games for sure. Where do you think that she's at?

Speaker C She's in an interesting position. I think there's obviously a lot of pressure on her. I mean, everybody comes to the arena to watch her play. They want to see her put up 30 points. They want to see her get to the basket, make threes.

Speaker F Watkins refuses the screen, gets to the sweet spot.

Speaker D Cash, little distance there. Zora. You know what I mean? Yeah, but that's how you put it in.

Speaker C It's not playing on paper, but it's a lot of pressure on a player that, you know, and she's. She's handled it really well. I think what'll be interesting to see is how this translates to the postseason. Right. I think that's what everybody's watching because their offense is so centered around what she does that sometimes teams can really pressure them into, you know, precarious positions. And I think how they balance the dynamic between her and the rest of the team, that'll be key when the real games come.

Speaker B Well, speaking of real games, putting all this together, how do you expect Thursday to go in terms of from a matchup on the hardcore?

Speaker C It's going to be a close game. I mean, it's. It's bound to be. They're both so evenly matched. You have the best offense in the Big Ten in UCLA going against the best defense in usc. So really it's. It's a perfectly set up matchup for a close game. Last year was a close game when they played in the big in the pack then PAC12 tournament, it went to.

Speaker D Overtime and that should just about do it. Late foul by Hawkez with 11.8 remaining, but an eight point lead for USC and the Trojans fans on their feet, smiles on the faces.

Speaker C So I think it's going to be real evenly matched. I think it's going to come down to who's going to make those shots at the end of the game. And I mean, you kind of have to give the USC the slight edge in that sense because juju is a shot maker. But if UCLA is able to set the tone playing from the inside out, I think they could be in a position to win as well.

Speaker B Interesting. So would you qualify that as an upset if, if SC manages to pull off the win?

Speaker C It's crazy to think about it that way because USC came into the year as kind of the more, you know, expected to be the highly regarded team. But UCLA's just looked like a buzz off so far. So if UC is able to beat them in their home court, like, I think there's going to be some kind of an upset feel. But I think that both teams know that they're really fighting for the future. Right. They want to, they want to make it in March and they want to be able to win more than just a rivalry game.

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Speaker B Paulo, before we forget here, we mentioned it a little bit earlier, but what these two teams are doing in the Big Ten is also particularly significant because it's their first year in the league. For these two, they are truly crashing the party. I mean, what is the vibe like in conference for these squads?

Speaker C It still hasn't fully hit me that they're not PAC12 yet, but it's been crazy to watch how they've been able to dominate the Big Ten so far. I mean, Last year's team, best team of the Big Ten, was Ohio State. And they just came into la, played both teams and got completely overmatched. You know, the head coach, Kevin McGuff, was basically at a loss for words. Is like, you know, we just got beat right on both, both games. And he was really impressed with how both teams have been able to not just showcase their talent, but take that and turn it into substantial, consistent winning, which both teams have been able to do. So I think they really are becoming the new class of the Big Ten and it's really sets up well for the future, right? I mean, the Big Ten has been a conference that has sort of needed, you know, more like that. And I think both teams are kind of making the case for it.

Speaker B What have you heard on the ground from things around the travel schedule and stuff like that? I know that that's been and was my main concern, which is, sure, these changes might work for football and they might even work for basketball, but that's a lot of planes, it's a lot of miles, it's a lot of destinations, a lot of locations. What have you seen in terms of how that's changed things for not just teams like the ones in la, but obviously everybody.

Speaker C I think there's right now a bit of a novelty to it, right? Being the first year, everybody's just kind of figuring out as they go. I think it'll be interesting to see in a few years whether that wear and tear is really something that players and coaches start talking about. Because I think ultimately, like, when you think about the fact that Ohio State came, you know, for two game stretch and really just has to play these two teams in the span of 72 hours, fly all the way back and get back into, you know, school and classes and practice. So far there hasn't been any direct, you know, complaints about that. But I think as the season goes, maybe you'll start to see some of that more.

Speaker B You know, when I first saw the schedule and things started developing, I said, I'm going to that game. You know, that was something that was important to me. You know, you touched on it before, but what are the vibes like at these games versus the difference that you've seen over the course of your career between, you know, Galen center and Paulie? Because it's not like none of these places have seen success before, you know what I mean? But it is still very different.

Speaker C It's been cool to see. I mean, I used to do NBA cover. Cover the NBA and, and I used to watch how crazy those Laker games got, right? The people who sat courtside, obviously that's a different level. But I feel like at these USC games with juju there, you're starting to see some of that. You have some, you know, celebrities coming out, NBA players. There's a certain vibe of, of, of wanting to be a part of, right, Everyone to be a part of it on the court.

Speaker F But this is the place to be on a Saturday afternoon. Snoop Dogg, Michael B. Jordan. Then you want to talk about the greats of the game. Candace Parker, can we give her her flowers? And also, Cheryl Miller created the foundation for what we're seeing right here. A sold out crowd on a weekend inside the Galen Center.

Speaker C And the fact that juju then spends time, you know, saying hi to fans, signing stuff like you see people waiting outside of the arena for her, right? And I think there's something about that that I think brings more people to it. And similarly with ucla, they, they've been so in touch with the community. Obviously with everything that's happened with the fires, they were able to help out and really be in touch with that. So I think they're trying their best, both programs, to connect themselves to the community. And I think that's only going to be, you know, amplified further as the season goes along and as these programs try to continue to build on the season.

Speaker B Do you have any idea of how alums have reacted to this? I know sometimes that's the easiest way to kind of figure out. Oh, right, that seems good now because some famous alum is talking about them all the time. How's that been for these two squads?

Speaker C I mean, Cheryl Miller's at games now more often, right? You're starting to see that. I think you just, you know, honestly, the biggest sign as a former USC student who used to go to men's basketball games at the Galen center and see a very empty student section. The fact that now almost every women's basketball team that you see is packed with the students. Like, to me, it's almost a student section. It is a telltale sign of how popular and how much people want to see that team. Because the student section's been packed, right? The games are sold out. And I think that's been a good sign for where the sport is and where USC's team is as well.

Speaker B How about that? Okay, now we're getting somewhere. All right. I did not realize that that was going to be the meas, but that makes all the sense in the world. That said, I mean, who are we going to see at this game on Thursday.

Speaker A Do you have any scoops on who's.

Speaker B Going to be in the building, Paulo? Because I want to look at some famous people.

Speaker C I'll tell you what, Jason Sudeikis is probably going to be there because he's at all these games. He was there for usc, Ohio State. There's a very good chance he'll be there. I mean, who knows? Who knows who will turn up? I mean, you had people last year turning. You obviously had Cheryl Miller last year. You also had Ken Parker at that game last year. So I'm sure you'll see a good crop of both people in the game and just celebrities who want to be a part of it.

Speaker B You've been in LA for a while, obviously. What do you feel about how just this ranks as the general basketball vibe around town? Luke is in town now. I get it. There are bigger. I'm using air quote stories here, but.

Speaker A This is pretty big.

Speaker B I can't think of the last time I said, just forget about the sport. I said, I want to be at that event. I would pay money to be at that event.

Speaker C I think obviously this is a Lakers town and nothing kind of beats the energy around the Lakers. But there's something really cool about combining the college energy that you get. Right? There's a different energy with college games, both football and basketball. Combining that with two really good teams, a star like juju. Right. Coaches who really want it badly. Like, there's something about the ingredients that really make this probably the most compelling, like, sports story right now in la, beyond, even beyond Luka. I mean, obviously everybody's going to want to watch him, and I get that. But there's something really unique and novel about the combination of both USC and UCLA basketball being this good at this moment.

Speaker B You know, there's so many programs around women's college basketball now that are effectively legacy programs. You mentioned South Carolina with Dawn Staley, obviously Gino Oriemma and UConn. Are SC and UCLA setting themselves up correctly to be that? Or is this a situation where couple of hot recruits, couple of coaches who got a. Who have some connections and boom, you've got a popular team? Or do you see this being a legacy cementer for the school's programs, never mind the players?

Speaker C I think for ucla, it's a little easier to see that because they had that junior class that they were able to build up. Right. I think they've appealed to a certain kind of player that wants to play for a coach like close. Right. With usc, it's a little different because Juju's such a star that you're kind of tempted to be like, what's, what happens after, right. When she goes off to the wnba. But coach Lindsey Golib has been able to slowly build that USC culture up, right? That's what she's trying to do. She's very well aware of that. And the proof is kind of in the pudding. I mean, they were able to sign five star recruit Jazzy Davidson to come in, right. And theoretically she would be the one coming in to fill in the shoes left by juju once she does it for the wnba. So I think both teams are trying to capitalize on this moment because they know how special and how unique it is. And I guess time will tell if they were able to really cement themselves as those next legacy programs in the sport.

Speaker B You know, the University of Southern California is not just a popular place in la. It is a nationally recognized locale as far as athletes are concerned and their popularity. You know, what have you seen as far as how Juju's been able to cement her legacy in just the Trojans world for herself?

Speaker C It's been really cool to watch. I mean, she's kind of carved out her own path for herself. Obviously. She's got a lot of nil opportunities. She was in a Super Bowl Nike commercial.

Speaker B Right.

Speaker C And I think USC has had so many talented players and so many talented stars come through. It's. It's ranked especially recently. I mean, you have obviously somebody like Bronny James coming in, Kayla Williams. Right. But the way that people gravitate toward her is very unique. And it happened from the beginning, right. As freshmen coming in, she's scoring 30 points a game. She's, you know, doing, you know, basically exhibiting the kind of basketball people like to watch. And it's just turned the entire UC fan base, you know, full attention to her, right? They, they come to watch her. They, like I said before, they stay and wait for her autograph. Right. They take pictures with her. There's a certain energy there that I haven't seen maybe with other players. And, and I think basketball lends itself to that too. But it's been really co. Of course.

Speaker B This is the first time they play against each other. There's another game that is in March that is going to be at Paulie. Are either these teams taking this particular matchup overly seriously, or do you think they're looking at it as just another conference matchup that happens to be in town?

Speaker C I think that's another fun part of the dynamic, is they're all trying to treat it as the same game because they know, first of all, they know that they're going to play this team again. They know they'll probably play them in the Big Ten tournament again and maybe even in March. But I think they all know that there's a lot of pride on the line. I think these two games, they know the significance, the coaches know it. And so I think the rematch is going to be just as exciting, if not more.

Speaker B That would be crazy. Four times in the same season is definitely on the table. I mean, I can't think of, off the top of my head, last time that's happened, if at all.

Speaker C I don't think so. I mean, I'm sure there was probably something that happened in 1927, but. But beyond that, I don't know. That's a. That'll be fun if that happens.

Speaker B Last thing I'll ask you. Which team do you think has a better chance of making a deeper run once we get to the tournament?

Speaker C It's got to be ucla. I think they're just a little bit deeper. They. They can really beat you in different ways. I think their defense needs to improve a little bit. But if. But as Corey Cole said, you know, if we tune that up a little bit, I think we're. We're bound for a special run. So I think I'd side with them right now.

Speaker B Oh, a man of honor. Not just going with your alma mater there. Strong move. I'll be there Thursday. I will see you and shake your hand, but I'll probably have somebody with a camera following me because I'm a goofball who likes to make content. Thank you, Paul.

Speaker C Thank you. Let's hope that there's not too much traffic.

Speaker A I'm Clinton Yates. This has been ESPN Daily. We'll talk to you tomorrow, kiddos.

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