How to Win a World Cup: Great players, lucky charms, team songs & epic celebrations 🏆

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spk_0 I said something to Morgz about, you know, if you've got the lack of the Irish with you

spk_0 and he turned to Dillion said, what do you reckon? And Rashco's don't worry about his

spk_0 alas with us. We ended up creating a bit of a ritual in the changement which was,

spk_0 do you remember take that song I'm going to use the while back but never forget? Give us a little rendition.

spk_0 Well yeah, never forget, I know you know the words. Breaking the stunk, I've never felt a

spk_0 relation like that. That was just the most incredible thing in the next day we had to go to the

spk_0 oval actually. We weren't coached in for like a kid's coaching thing. As much as we loved it,

spk_0 it's great to go and give back to the game it wasn't the time. I remember seeing pictures of

spk_0 that coaching session going, ooh, you know what I'm going to do there.

spk_0 The Women's World Cup is underway in India and Sri Lanka. Can anyone stop those dominant Aussies?

spk_0 Can England find the winning formula and what are the key ingredients to success in an

spk_0 ICC global tournament? I think you're in a pretty good place to answer those questions.

spk_0 I mean, when the 50 over World Cup and the T20 World Cup? I'll give it a go, Brody, but don't

spk_0 forget you're a World Cup winner too and we are also joined by Ebony Rainford Brent, Australia,

spk_0 2009 World Cup winner. Hello, Eps. Hey Brody, good to be back. Clear the go? As you can kick us off,

spk_0 you won the World Cup in Australia 2009. How much of that was down to really good planning and when

spk_0 did that start? Yeah, I think we had a similar to the men actually in 2015. They had a bit of a

spk_0 reset. My debut for England was 2007. It's a two years before and we got absolutely hammered

spk_0 in a World tournament. We'll play in India, Australia, New Zealand and us, lost every game over six

spk_0 weeks tournament and it was a painful reset because I think we had high hopes for the squad,

spk_0 but then when you go up against the top teams you realise where you're missing. So I remember for

spk_0 us that was like a real reset. We got a new coach, a new strategy and plans of what we needed to do

spk_0 in terms of how aggressive we needed to be chasing down totals. The women's game actually then was

spk_0 a little bit different. Sometimes you'd want more taking pace off the ball rather than trying to

spk_0 accelerate it. Scoring areas were a little bit different. So we kind of as a squad, I would say

spk_0 really focused on your roles and responsibilities. I wasn't a top player, so I knew I had two roles.

spk_0 I had to be ready as an opening battle when there was going to be rotation in a World Cup. You know

spk_0 over a long period it's unlikely that you'll play every game sometimes. So I had to be mentally switched

spk_0 on to be able to come in and perform when it was my go, but also not be sour when you're not playing

spk_0 and you're running the drinks. So there was a role there and then also in the field, like every

spk_0 single detail for every single player, I knew a plate filled at that point or a ran on the boundary,

spk_0 which players do you want to be off the boundary for, which players do you want to be deeper. So we

spk_0 had to talk and then sort of everything clicked and we just went on this run into the World Cup. So I

spk_0 think that's a good thing actually is we had the momentum coming in, which gives you the belief

spk_0 and then the plans got executed to the end. And I say the one bit of luck we had was when you worked

spk_0 out the permutations and you realised you might be missing Australia in that super six stage as you're

spk_0 thinking we could do this. We might just do it. The plans could come to good. You need luck in

spk_0 World tournaments, don't you? Like playing the right people at the right time and so you didn't get

spk_0 Australia in the super sixes when did you play them? In the group stages we had the weaker teams

spk_0 actually. At that stage Sri Lanka, India, Pakistan weren't as strong in terms of in Australian

spk_0 conditions. So that allowed us to get in and then when we played Australia in the super sixes we

spk_0 knew even if we lost that one game, there was still a chance of qualifying for the final. So it's a

spk_0 bad thing to say but it is luck. Like how are your teams withdrawn? Sometimes can give you an

spk_0 advantage of where you end up in the end. Later stages are just part of tournament cricket.

spk_0 But luck as well, you know sometimes in injury we had an injury in the final with Nikki Shaw who

spk_0 ended up coming in for Jenny Gunn. She gets a forfeur. Is that luck? You know I don't know, you

spk_0 didn't really plan for that but a player turns up on a day that maybe I don't know if Jenny Gunn would

spk_0 have done that performance. So luck plays a big part. 2019 you're 50 over World Cup win and 2020,

spk_0 can you pick out a moment of luck in those tournaments that well the final you might be able to

spk_0 but maybe leading into the final. Yeah obviously where Stokes is back was at the perfect time,

spk_0 the perfect trail. That was like winning the lottery. That was unbelievable piece of luck. But I'd

spk_0 say a bit like EBS that reset after a poor World Cup in Australia. Strauss, Bayless, Morgan came

spk_0 in with a whole new way of playing, wanting to and they've very obviously we had a home World Cup

spk_0 coming up. So it was I think straight away it was like how do we have a team that is able to

spk_0 compete and win in this World Cup because we hadn't been close ever before. So it did quite a lot of

spk_0 work on where you were in the rankings in bilateral cricket like the top teams. If you were in the

spk_0 number one or two you had X amount chance of getting to the final or winning it, the home nation had

spk_0 obviously done well. The average caps of players playing in the final so obviously

spk_0 and so quite when you start to work it out you're like well obviously players would have a lot of

spk_0 caps because they're a good team. They've been playing together for a long time but

spk_0 so we were lucky from the start that we they picked players and they stuck with them and they

spk_0 performed you know because you it's all well and good so we're going to back people and stick with

spk_0 them but you need them to perform well otherwise there comes a point where you have to change because

spk_0 performance hasn't got to the level that you need it to and I think you need to win early so we

spk_0 we start we won the first series back it was like a new way of playing we can win this way

spk_0 and it was like really exciting but the World Cup was still quite far away at that point but there's

spk_0 a few moments like obviously Roy and Hayle started as the opening partnership back in sort of 2015.

spk_0 Johnny had been like banging and down the door like the whole time at any time he came in for one

spk_0 game he always got runs but then they were very loyal and went back to no Johnny bad three sometimes

spk_0 five six whoever was injured and then so around the Champions trophy time Jason got left out actually

spk_0 and it was best of an Hayle's start then something happened where Roy came back in for Hayles and

spk_0 those two I think those two were those loads of key players and key ingredients but that was like

spk_0 our super strength they were an amazing opening partnership and the moment I think in our World Cup

spk_0 when we were our backs against the wall we lost to a shrewel at Pakistan Shrelanka and Australia

spk_0 and then we had sort of a team meeting at Edgebaston about how everyone was feeling and I know David

spk_0 Young and Morgan to sort of spoke to a few people to say a few things and it's like she won my favorite

spk_0 bits of that World Cup if not the favorite is we went out to play against India every games

spk_0 in must-win game and Roy and Besto just smashed it from the start and we got off to amazing start

spk_0 and then I remember over 10 to 20 they scored 90 runs in that period just smashed it all round

spk_0 Edgebaston and I just remember how cool is this in our biggest moment of need in a World Cup

spk_0 must-win game we've like reverted to type of this is how we played our cricket in the years leading up

spk_0 we're going to be brave we're going to take it on and we'll go down swinging basically but

spk_0 obviously went on to win that game and and go on and win the tournament but that was the moment for

spk_0 me in that World Cup that was like always nearly lost and we were like on that cliff edge of like

spk_0 and I remember Michael Vaughn saying something about this will be the biggest disappointment

spk_0 actually because of Home World Cup all the time and energy that have been put into this team and

spk_0 and it just lit that spark in Johnny Besto which I'm sure Vaughn will probably take credit for

spk_0 see I knew how to get him going but Johnny then just took off and he scored 100 in the next game

spk_0 against New Zealand and it's amazing you planned for all these things and I think we planned for

spk_0 really high scoring games I think everyone went into that World Cup thinking it'll be

spk_0 scores of 350 400 but because of TV timings a lot of the games are 11 o'clock starts the ICC

spk_0 obviously control the pitches so we'd been playing in England on you know absolute shirt fronts high

spk_0 scores but suddenly it was all a bit different it was like if you win the power play you win the game

spk_0 you think of the final we won was a scrap and like an ugly win which wasn't the style of cricket

spk_0 we'd been playing but that came for us at a time when the side could handle that and I think that

spk_0 was the big thing for us about we developed enough as a team to find that and you say like luck

spk_0 other things big that you need top players when World Cup's in a unique way but I remember being at

spk_0 the IPL and Robin Utterpart who'd had Trevor Bayless as his coach at KKR and Trevor's coaching

spk_0 some of us at the time we all sort of training at the same time and Dubai and he came over to say

spk_0 congratulations on winning the World Cup and Trevor and I didn't do anything I had some great players

spk_0 and it's like in his way that you know how he was but to win things you need great players and

spk_0 he great players to stand up at great moments Ben Stokes obviously did that 2019 he did that 2022

spk_0 for us as well to drag the team over the line I'm sure going into Sri Lanka for this one the girls

spk_0 will need you know I think of that's ever brought it's probably the one everyone's she's

spk_0 captain as well but she's probably the one everyone's looking to to be that player was you

spk_0 agreement that 100% and I think I was even thinking back to the women's World Cup in 2017 a couple

spk_0 of years before you guys at lords and you was that player and your shrubs soul who in the semi-final

spk_0 I remember it got down to the way against South Africa she's coming in late later in the

spk_0 batting order and everyone's scrapping around and she just comes in almost like what are you all

spk_0 what you all scrapping around and just goes bang bang bang gets the job done and then when the game

spk_0 got tight in the final against India ended up with was it six for took a ridiculous wickets even

spk_0 when it was getting tight she just came in took the ball and just took the lead and I think you need

spk_0 those players and for us going into this current World Cup that player is you're right and that

spk_0 silver brunt and I think if she's back bowling fit which is important then she offers that sort of

spk_0 that allows that team to have the balance that's the other thing in World Cup isn't you need that

spk_0 flexibility to have a player like a Ben Stokes and that silver brunt who can offer you those options

spk_0 that you can then tweak your team depending on whether you need that extra seam or spinner

spk_0 and also when the pressure comes on they just don't flap that's something you do to do very well

spk_0 but I mean you do need those players who when that pressure ramps up they stay focused on what

spk_0 but probably you obviously won that t20 World Cup in Barbados 2010 a couple of moments obviously

spk_0 tell us about some of the planning for that and also eight for three did you think you'd already

spk_0 won the World Cup well the final itself yeah it was when I look back at that time we scraped through

spk_0 the group stages mentioned earlier and then we just got on this rhythm of winning games and it was

spk_0 almost the clearest I've seen a team have roles the ballers balls certain overs all the way through

spk_0 the bat has did exactly the same thing at the top of the order the only bit that nearly derailed us

spk_0 is K.P. was in the form of his life batting three and he went home I think for the birth of his

spk_0 first child so missed the semi-final when what a time to go home you know it's like there's a young

spk_0 23 or I don't don't go home I get it now I get it now but so we we lost him for the semi-final so

spk_0 that was the only bit where I thought oh no you know like is that just going to derail us slightly

spk_0 but Ravi Papara came in and we got over the line that semi-final so once we arrived at the final

spk_0 K.P. had flown back in it just had that feeling of we've got great players doing like nailing their

spk_0 skills with a plan that's so crystal clear we very windy grounds in the Caribbean big square so we

spk_0 just had tall bowlers bowling slow balls who sure really ideas because I feel that that was the

spk_0 birth of this slow ball bounce so yeah like the bowling attack did you stumble across that or

spk_0 with that in a sense yeah Collie Paul Collingwood who was captain liked the idea of protecting one

spk_0 side like getting players hitting into the wind so basically we had left armoring right side bottom

spk_0 who bowled with like the end into the wind or whatever in the right handers would then get the

spk_0 the batters hitting into the wind on the big side and it was such a structured way of doing and

spk_0 every ground we turned up to had a side crosswind strong so we had tactics about to do that and we

spk_0 had to put the opposition doing that as well not as much as much it was it was almost like the birth

spk_0 of the slow ball long hop type thing and then we had to bowl in badly yeah practice bowling badly

spk_0 and then we had swanian and my kuiad in the middle who who controlled it but that makes it sound

spk_0 like it was a really structured sort of disciplined build up going into wind I mean we arrived in

spk_0 the Caribbean with no hope really we'd gone on a tour to Abu Dhabi we played England vs England

spk_0 Lions team in Abu Dhabi before we went somewhere before the World Cup and Michael Lumb and Craig

spk_0 Kees were to playing for the Lions and they smashed us everywhere opening the back like whacked

spk_0 it everywhere and they out from that innings Andy Flour I had coach went there opening the back

spk_0 for us in the World Cup so that it was literally they came from nowhere to opening the back for us

spk_0 left right hand combo very different style of players Kees were they just went from ball one

spk_0 an amazing hand eye Lumb could sort of find the boundary early but build take the space down

spk_0 incredibly well and they were complete unknown really you know if you just said four months out

spk_0 from that World Cup are you Michael Lumb and Kees were going to open the back in the World Cup

spk_0 finally blank one yeah no time so that sort of blows up a bit the succession planning of years

spk_0 but that was just a head coach going we're missing that sort of dynamic approach at the top

spk_0 we're going for that but then once we got to the Caribbean we barely changed the team it was like

spk_0 this is who's playing this is the overs you're bowling I think I bowled four and six in the power

spk_0 play and then you know 15 and 17 back end side bottom would always finish at the death and

spk_0 we just carried that all the way through and it always felt inevitable that we were

spk_0 winning that World Cup walking out of Barbados felt like a home game like how you'd have felt

spk_0 at lords probably less you in Australia but it just felt like a home game was England flags

spk_0 everywhere like our national anthem was probably looking back still the most emotional I've been in

spk_0 England shirt I reckon just like roared national anthem in a World Cup final in Barbados and

spk_0 I wouldn't say any special planning but once we got there our adaptability of getting used to

spk_0 conditions quicker than any of the team was was why we won that World Cup. How important in World

spk_0 Cups do you feel early games are you mentioned about winning early in 2019 but not many teams win

spk_0 every single game in a World Cup and then go on and win the final so you're going to have to get

spk_0 over a loss at some stage you don't want that loss coming in the semi-final you actually don't mind

spk_0 losing one relatively early just to sharpen you up just to learn from those mistakes so that when

spk_0 the crunch comes it's almost like law of averages that's why I see it you know you're going to lose

spk_0 one at some stage if you've won eight going into the semi-finals once coming your way you know if

spk_0 you've lost one about game five then you can win four in a row to win a World Cup it's sort of

spk_0 like it doesn't matter so it's a nine did you win every single game going into pretty much

spk_0 everything on till losing to Australian I think that's the other thing is you don't mind with

spk_0 losing early because it sharpens you up and you don't mind losing to someone who's a top team

spk_0 earlier in the competition because it's expected that you know it's going to be a tough tournament

spk_0 it's when you get those those games that upset you that you're playing against the Bangladesh or

spk_0 a Shranker or someone like that that in the Wimmy's game you might have thought we'll walk through

spk_0 that and then they upset you or they've got you on the ropes and then that's the kind of game that

spk_0 unsettles your game plan but I think I think losing early is good I think it sharpens you up it really

spk_0 focuses you if you're especially if you lose to someone it makes you realise hold on we're pretty

spk_0 much now playing quarter finals semi-finals and I did notice in we win the year we won there and also

spk_0 in the 2019-20 World Cup it allows you just to go you know what we've gotten it really focuses you

spk_0 to really get that so yeah I think the worst position you'd want to be in is cruising all the way

spk_0 through not really being tested and the other issue is your middle order often and your lower

spk_0 order batting order don't get a chance to get time at the wicket because usually if you're winning

spk_0 one to four have done the job the bowlers have kind of run through it is when they finally get

spk_0 exposed because you've had a collapse or something they haven't had time at the the crease and then

spk_0 all of the problems I think getting the whole squad through different scenarios early in the tournament

spk_0 did you lose to Ireland in 2022 yeah we did it was basically rainy season in Australia isn't it yeah

spk_0 it's pouring down in Melbourne the whole time we're actually so lucky to play the final because

spk_0 it drained the whole time in Melbourne and somehow we got a game in for the final but yeah we lost

spk_0 to Ireland and they're the games like Evne was just saying it's like they should be the game you

spk_0 look forward to because you're expected to win but they almost like they're the worst because you're

spk_0 sort of like with no disrespect to Ireland you are expected to win you're expected to win well and

spk_0 it should be a game in your tournament that isn't a worry but they're almost the harder ones

spk_0 because you and then actually during the game is when you can really feel it as well like they

spk_0 got off to a flyer and we just we're bold poorly and we just couldn't stem the flyer of runs and

spk_0 it was like you know you're looking at school board like in a bilateral game you probably

spk_0 wouldn't be as worried now you're like we have to win this game like now this is getting a bit

spk_0 uncomfortable I think in World Cup you can put a few extra runs on there because as much as you

spk_0 want to protect the way you play this is how we're going to win the World Cup it is different because

spk_0 the consequences are different so it's not that you fear failure as much be fear the consequences

spk_0 of losing in a bilateral series it's not as big and you might play three games we'll lose one

spk_0 we'll win two one because Law of Averages says but if you lose that one game in the World Cup it

spk_0 it kills you and I'd say a big slice of luck for us in that our fixture list was Ireland day off

spk_0 Australia straight away and we lost that game to Ireland obviously through everyone and

spk_0 me is captain that's sort of all over the place you know you're trying to process how you've lost

spk_0 that game now you've got a pick a team for the game tomorrow against Australia are we going to

spk_0 completely honest was a bit all over the place and a bit uncertain on the selection then it poured

spk_0 down and rained and we didn't play and that I think we were lucky that we didn't play because if we

spk_0 lost that game we're out and I don't think we were in a good place to play and we just played

spk_0 Australia in a three match series leading into that World Cup and won every game I think I think

spk_0 we won that series three now so you know you're going well they're due one and it's coming in a

spk_0 World Cup so but yeah they're also tricks to the mind aren't they like you're trying to convince

spk_0 yourself it's good to lose one but also it would be quite nice to sail through a tournament as well

spk_0 and get into the fire but you just need to make the next step because I know when we lost in like 2019

spk_0 people were going straight to the analyst so just how many can you lose if you to still make the

spk_0 semis like what's the permutations how many points do we need so you just need to be able to get to

spk_0 the next step I remember hearing Adam Gilchrist talked about that but there's great Australian teams

spk_0 there's like we just want to get in the super eights or whatever they call it from the group we just

spk_0 want to get into the court final without hanging your hat on the final and getting there and that's

spk_0 just the next step. Andy is man in 23 they don't ever get everything got this final in our

spk_0 medabad 110,000 people. There's some of them they've lost one game in ICC tournaments

spk_0 out of the last 20s we have to check it 25 27 games and that's that one final like they won

spk_0 Champions trophy without losing a game they won the T20 World Cup without losing a game they won

spk_0 10 games in that tournament and just lost the final which outrageous I think when you think about

spk_0 like say one off games and just having to win the win. With it in 2010 we started in Guyana you

spk_0 ain't even talking about Rain in Melbourne it was thunderstorm season in Guyana and we're trying to

spk_0 whack it against from memory when the West Indies got maybe 200 which back then was was a lot

spk_0 and it rained and they got set a duck with them Lewis score but they had 10 wickets to get it and

spk_0 you know like six overs or 10 overs something so they scraped over the lines we lost then we had

spk_0 to be island to go through again rain affected and we were just about to go out Michael Lumpur can

spk_0 amazing catch a deep square leg. Started pouring down that puts a head on duck with them Lewis and

spk_0 we threw it you know through to the super whatever it was next group part the group stage and then

spk_0 from that moment we remember boarding the plane from Guyana to go to Barbados and we're like

spk_0 whoa this flight could easily be going back to Heathrow like we're so lucky to have got through there

spk_0 and then we won every single game and lifted the trophy in Barbados and there's always moments where

spk_0 you think we've got a chance here and probably in that World Cup never looked that too too far ahead

spk_0 but talking about luck we're queuing up to the National Anthem's on the final

spk_0 in the best Australia Barbados and I'm stood behind Paul Connickwood is our captain and the

spk_0 mascots come Paul leans down to his little girl and goes watch your name I'm Paul and she goes

spk_0 I'm called Lucky. That is crazy that is a weird moment. He just turned round to the team it's

spk_0 when it's hard day guys my mascots called Lucky and everyone it was weird how that gave us confidence

spk_0 last fascinating I mean one that is the other thing is sometimes you create so I don't know if

spk_0 you guys do any but we ended up creating a bit of a ritual going into it so in the chamber

spk_0 in which was Lottie said it I remember she said to us we've got to have pride and remember why

spk_0 we're playing do you remember take that song I'm going to do a while back but never forget so we

spk_0 started seeing what the rule was give us a little rendershake. No forget I know you know the world

spk_0 we could do a whole pond on that so we decided that every time we won we would get in a chamber

spk_0 and bang the the chamber and we would sing that song that our lungs and it became I think the

spk_0 science they're anchoring isn't it's like you all start getting into this state and honestly

spk_0 it's not we'd be on the pitch thinking right I'm I was going to myself I'm more excited

spk_0 to win this game so we can sing that song get in the chamber and bang on the so that became like

spk_0 a team morale thing that really led us through that period and I remember like literally as we

spk_0 were getting into that something everyone was like listen we're not here to win for just winning

spk_0 sake we want to be in that chamber and sing in that song and it kind of just created this atmosphere

spk_0 of like excitement you know you got different characters in a change room but you need something

spk_0 that kind of unites you yeah and it wasn't just about like winning the it was like a tribal feeling

spk_0 of like just being with your squad mates and so I think it's a weird thing to say but I feel like

spk_0 that period where we went and won two World Cup ashes a whole run like that ability to bring the

spk_0 squad together on something small like made a difference and that was a change room thing nothing

spk_0 to do with like actual performance let's focus our minds on World Cup final day

spk_0 talk is through let's go for 2019 first home World Cup final lords what are you doing as soon as

spk_0 that alarm goes what's going on it's actually it's hard sometimes to remember exactly isn't it

spk_0 I know we stayed at the landmark hotel um lovely hotel Marlowe Boenro just around the corner from

spk_0 lords being really nervous actually go back the day before when you're at the ground training

spk_0 it was fine because it's like it's as a creature it's what you're used to it's where you kind of feel

spk_0 comfortable go to the next put your kit on and then when we left and going back to I just

spk_0 remember just feeling so nervous and then you build it up this is four years we'll never ever

spk_0 get another chance to win a World Cup final at lords what if it doesn't go right to the

spk_0 I remember texting morgs to be like yeah if you've got time for a cup of tea and we sat in the lobby

spk_0 at the landmark just I said I know you've got enough when you're late but like I'm so nervous

spk_0 like I don't I'm really worried about if we lose and etc etc and he actually just really

spk_0 rather did it on purpose or not just sort of spoke up we were already one like think about where

spk_0 we were four years ago like it's not going to change the legacy that we've created in the way we've

spk_0 played the way we've changed things around and etc etc all the these things which were all true

spk_0 but I still wanted the validation that we we finished it off on one at lords so but it helped

spk_0 and then I remember that yeah the next day being on on the team bus and I recognised that

spk_0 opposite mo and we started talking about like that same thing like and also about some of the players

spk_0 who didn't manage to make the final 15 sort of like this would be cool for them like they'll be

spk_0 watching the bet they wish they could be here and it's justification for all this stuff and then

spk_0 when we got to the ground meant that this again it's like we start to feel a little bit more

spk_0 comfortable so there's no other such as you are I completely forgot this it rained a bit just

spk_0 but the toss got delayed and I think both teams were unsure of what to do at the toss like lords has

spk_0 always been a bat first but now it's raining should we bowl and knowing what that's like as a

spk_0 captain I'm quite glad it was Morg's doing that bit because he would have been you know on the outside

spk_0 at least he would have looked really calm doing that but I remember that uncertainty for both teams

spk_0 like what should we do and I kind of wanted to bowl I think because it was like you all get into

spk_0 the game together and New Zealand won the toss and still battered even but you know lords is

spk_0 traditionally hard to chase but I just remember yeah the ground being the place where I felt more

spk_0 comfortable and everything away from the ground it was like the anxiety of it and I always think

spk_0 about time like the World Cup finals I've played in even the one we lost in 2016 with Carlos Brathaway

spk_0 I'd have those moments where I'm like who's going to win and like in an hour we'll know like how

spk_0 strange that it like the same thing was like in five minutes time when this over's over we'll

spk_0 be the one we're all lost and I'd say like keeping with it thinking let's start the super over

spk_0 I was like oh my god in six minutes I mean they're going to feel the best I've ever felt on a cricket

spk_0 pitch or probably the worst and like the extremes of those feelings are you have to deal with it

spk_0 you snap your brain out that quickly yeah I remember I was recognised for you about it at some point

spk_0 like that Tom Brady podcast about his thing was just do your job my job is to do this I throw it

spk_0 over there his job is to run in this direction and he's men are beat there my job is just throw

spk_0 the ball his job is to catch it and I remember Joffa running up on the last ball there's no word

spk_0 of a lie just thinking if you're involved in this ball in any way shape or just do your job like

spk_0 you know it probably wasn't even expecting it to come to me at any point but I was like that's

spk_0 my focus and I think like you're talking about the the team song and like how united you are

spk_0 I've never felt a team like that before that was so united and that gave I think a lot of people

spk_0 hope and sort of like we're all in this together and we're all I remember walking out to the field

spk_0 for the super over and I won't get this right word for word but I said something to Morghs about

spk_0 you know if you've got luck the Irish with you and he turned to Dillion said what do you reckon

spk_0 and Rash goes don't worry what it's ours with us and it was like one of those just moments for you

spk_0 like that hope that like you know things were on our side you know and I think they're big

spk_0 they were big things that stood out to me during that that day and then obviously the luck that we

spk_0 we got a tremble stepping on the rope people forget that you know the the stokes moment obviously

spk_0 but I think we needed 20 something to win at that point bolt catches it steps on the rope

spk_0 stokes is in Sussex like the margins are brutal aren't they they're actually pairs they are

spk_0 they are but like you know for you the flip side have been well it's a bit similar to

spk_0 Emberathwaite yet those four sixes you let you think the game is done remember mo and Rash talk

spk_0 about running past each other after the completion of the 19th they've a little high five and like

spk_0 we're gonna win the cup and that's like five minutes later late gone gone yeah I just think the

spk_0 World Cup does feel different and there's one off games like you just need to find something extra

spk_0 and that's where I think that bond of your players and the trust and I thought you made it like

spk_0 nice point about like when the middle order gets some time in the middle as well because if it comes

spk_0 to the crunch moment because that's the high pressure bit isn't it like scoring the winning runs like

spk_0 can you get your team over the line if you've not a bat in the World Cup we've only faced 20 balls

spk_0 30 balls yeah suddenly like oh my god it's all on me but I don't know is is there a perfect

spk_0 science still winning the World Cup I don't think there is from the way we're we're talking about it but

spk_0 oh look it's all like it's all like don't bother playing the one thing I'll take that do think what

spk_0 you're saying about you know having your cup of tea and trying to keep calm I notice the seat

spk_0 the senior players calmed everyone down and the job and the message coming from all the manager

spk_0 to do everything the same because some of us you're flapping about and you're wanting to change

spk_0 your route don't change anything you've been prepping forever you know you route it just do

spk_0 the same and I think it's like just being able to come back down to settling to do your job

spk_0 and I think that's what everyone was able to do when all the emotions are flying when you get on

spk_0 that pitch calm your emotions and just do your job and the other is having faith in your players

spk_0 I remember for us it was Holly Colvin who was low a batting order who ended up having to hit the

spk_0 winning runs but you had faith in your players we had one shock on that morning Nikki Shaw came

spk_0 in for Jenny gun who hadn't played for hadn't been in the main lineup but you had faith in her and

spk_0 she went and got a four for four for 34 and so you got faith in your players I think the main

spk_0 thing is like keeping the emotions as focused as you can so when that ball's coming to you when

spk_0 it's your moment getting it all over the line so yeah good emotions a lot of luck and trying to stay

spk_0 focused so you want it doesn't 19 a huge part of that senior player but then 2020 your captain

spk_0 going to be lifting that world cup did that feel different yeah they're both really different

spk_0 I think the lead in obviously to 2019 started in 2015 that was like the end goal for everyone the

spk_0 2022 the t20 World Cup start coming around every two years I think we've even played one

spk_0 the year before 2021 we did in the covid one in Dubai so there's a sort of planning of it was much

spk_0 shorter it was almost like when we arrived we had a seven match series in Pakistan then went straight

spk_0 to Australia played three matches against them and then into the World Cup so that seven matches

spk_0 in Pakistan was probably the time we got really tight as a group there was still some guys who went

spk_0 straight to Australia and didn't come to Pakistan but you know it was sort of a lockdown kind of vibe

spk_0 everyone was together we played a great series in one four three which I think you do want those

spk_0 confidence building series and you want to know that you can win games a cricket and we played a

spk_0 game at three or two in and go four three so a bit of a knockout final kind of thing but yeah being

spk_0 the captain I remember just sort of trying to take some like lessons from 2019 and what things I

spk_0 thought Morghs did well and I know EBS was saying about you can only do the same things and do your

spk_0 process which is absolutely right whether it's a World Cup final or Saturday afternoon you can only

spk_0 control what you control but obviously things are different on the outside now I remember Morghs

spk_0 saying whether it was a day before but look around like take in the the boardings that say final

spk_0 like it is different like as a captain you're doing the up on the MCG roof doing the captain's

spk_0 photo with the trophy and so it is a bit different and but it's allowing yourself not to I felt

spk_0 don't push that away and be like oh it's just another game it's not but the things I can do are

spk_0 this are same as just another game and I remember opening the curtains let's say full-cast horrendous

spk_0 expecting its rain like bright blue sky really windy but like oh my god we might actually play

spk_0 so then suddenly like I think a lot of us probably took a lot of the pressure off was like we didn't

spk_0 think we were going to play it was like games off it would be a shared trophy or something but then

spk_0 going into that like say the planning had sort of really been that Pakistan Australia after the

spk_0 island game that moment was that right now we're into knockout cricket and we played our best

spk_0 cricket actually then with our back against the wall and must win games we played really well great

spk_0 win against India in the semi-final and I just thought we we got the luck of the toss great toss

spk_0 to win bowl first, bowled really well and we were 60 I think we needed 60 off 10 like they

spk_0 bowed really well and nipped around big time in the game I've faced one over off Nassim Shah

spk_0 they bowed five wides I played and missed five times and I scooped a six like it was the most

spk_0 outrageous over and I just couldn't edit and they bowed really well we played and missed those

spk_0 and we were like but you just kind of like I'm awful watch I was terrible watching it like

spk_0 what's he doing why he's doing this come on score some runs to like but he just had that neck

spk_0 he was like he's done it loads times you sort of he'll be there at the end it'll all work and

spk_0 Shaheen Shah got injured he tried to yeah he tried to bowl and then had to stop his over and

spk_0 if to car bowled off spinner and that was the over like Stokes he took down and got us going again

spk_0 so like yeah it's all down to luck no I just think of those you know you need those players

spk_0 you need the top players to talk about it's maybe unfair to pick up one person Chris Jordan was

spk_0 brilliant in that world cup for us had a hard discussion with him right at the start left him out

spk_0 he'd been a key player for you he just wanted to know why he's left out and it's like no

spk_0 soon as we've finished this conversation I'm right behind you I'll be the best team man the whole

spk_0 time we were there and then Mark would've got injured so CJ came in for the semi-final ended up

spk_0 playing semi-final in the final um he was like one of those guys to those senior players keep

spk_0 everyone calm he was like look if I'm playing great if I'm not and you want to change back

spk_0 but would he was still there's a bit touch and go with injuries with him and to have him a lamb

spk_0 but he was someone that I as a captain was like so grateful for that like he was there in that moment

spk_0 and even when he wasn't playing around those other games you need those those guys he just know how

spk_0 to and you also I think need the naivety of some of the younger players who don't really

spk_0 I haven't not been scoured by anything you know they've not got the they haven't lost a

spk_0 well cut final before they haven't been knocked out and then barrisped or they just think they just

spk_0 see the upside and everything which is nice as well so absolutely final light food say how did the

spk_0 game pan out did you have any of those moments like we've lost it we've won it yeah I mean I'm the

spk_0 worst person sometimes in your team because I'm there was a few of us I was one of the younger players

spk_0 at the time flapping about oh my god you know you you've got older players like Lotty Charlotte

spk_0 Edwards and Clare Taylor telling you shut up calm down and focus one thing we did have because

spk_0 we being in Australia there was a good crowd in we're up at North Sydney oval for us as well

spk_0 I remember it was the early days of when women's cricket came to the ICC so we went from having zero

spk_0 crowds and zero visibility no one watching to crowds full TV cameras the whole works so you did

spk_0 feel like oh my god this is another level and it was actually the job was like everyone was saying

spk_0 calm it all down because I know that it feels different but you got to calm it down and that

spk_0 morning I just remember actually just seeing all the family there was one slice of the stand and

spk_0 they were the only ones out with any flags there was no English flag and the Aussies weren't feeling

spk_0 up but you you did just look to in the stands to that that sort of support and it did kind of just

spk_0 feel kind of calm everyone down I think it really did sort of humble us all but the actual game again

spk_0 it ended up being a bit of a lower score than we what we ended up getting New Zealand because of how

spk_0 it played out so I think that gave us a sense of a bit more confidence if it was Australia we would

spk_0 have gone into that game with a few more nerves because Australia had been on a long domination of

spk_0 the women's game for a while so there was already that feeling of we've got a chance but then it

spk_0 came down to the wire in like it wasn't our top order who got the job done and it came down to

spk_0 Holly Colvin sort of middle to lower order and I just remember us all on the bench this moment of

spk_0 like everyone was holding each other's hands like praying that feeling of like come on and I just

spk_0 remember she just clicked it off her leg and she just jumped in the end you know that was it

spk_0 so I think it was one of those games where it was a bit scratchy a bit like your final actually

spk_0 into that 2019 it was a little bit scratchy it didn't go to plan it wasn't the big Australian

spk_0 wickets we would have been scoring big ruts it was kind of a game that you had to just chip away

spk_0 but having that support trying to just not get carried away with the lights of so much more

spk_0 awareness and media and stuff like that it was incredible so yeah definitely one of the best days

spk_0 I think the celebrations after actually were pretty cool as well how did you celebrate well I

spk_0 mean you always have to do a team photo the morning after and they make it in a horrific time

spk_0 because you've gone out pretty much you're not back and I've taken I remember I was at with

spk_0 Eshia and we're in this nightclub and I've got my medal around my my neck and we're raving to

spk_0 whatever songs and it's gone it's got a jagged edge I don't know why they built the trophy like

spk_0 the but it the medal but it went in my eye I ended up having like a swollen eye that was all red

spk_0 and we're all having to do these like professional photos the next morning well when I say the

spk_0 next morning we just all rolled straight to the photo and we all just look an absolute state like

spk_0 China pretend that you're looking polished and I had one eye so like the photo is just like I was

spk_0 just all trying to pull it together but I think that that celebration I think that is that feeling

spk_0 of being with your mates that you've worked so hard for something and you you're also being in

spk_0 Australia for us we're like this is the place that has taken us down for years and to be there like

spk_0 Sydney Harbour Bridge it was just amazing so Barbados our World Cup fight was a day game because

spk_0 of timings with you know I see or whatever so I think Collie has kept in said we're not doing

spk_0 anything the next day that this is after the game let's if you want a team pitcher we're happy to go

spk_0 and do it after the game so in our England kit with our medals runner neck we went to the beach

spk_0 and our official World Cup winning picture is with the sun setting on a Barbados beach with the

spk_0 ocean in the background it's so cool just a nice picture that is amazing but it's also smart

spk_0 that you then it mean you could just have fun after harbour lights it's straight in yeah

spk_0 rum punch exactly remember that's it that's all I've got

spk_0 yeah I think Lord celebrations were I think the breaking the stump that pure elation I've never felt

spk_0 elation like that if I could really live two minutes of my career running around the field throwing

spk_0 my gloves off sort of that was just the most incredible feeling then you're in the dresser room at

spk_0 Lord so all the families come in and you know as you see how much it means to all you've loved ones

spk_0 and singing songs and remember Mark Wood was quite good at coming up with a song we liked our

spk_0 football chance and we were coming up with a song we actually the bat I used in the final we wrote

spk_0 the lyrics to the song on that for like everyone to sing in the dresser room and then we just headed

spk_0 back to the hotel and in the landmark there's like a bar downstairs where you know you could have

spk_0 been anywhere in the world and we'd have had the best time ever it's just all the players family

spk_0 and friends the next day we had to go to the oval actually you weren't coaching didn't for like

spk_0 a kid's coaching the onion lo and you just like every player is as much as we loved it and it's

spk_0 great to go and give back to the game it wasn't the time I remember seeing pictures of that coaching

spk_0 session going oh yeah what are they doing yeah he glasses on yeah remember Vintsy coming out the

spk_0 toilets at the oval going I don't know if the prawns last time I do as well I have to admit I

spk_0 remember winning that game and thinking I'll never feel pressure ever again and cricket I'm so

spk_0 happy I'll just freewheel the rest of my career couldn't care less what happens and then like a

spk_0 week later we were into that ashes series not scared and nervous and I thought this would all

spk_0 have gone now like now but it's like it lasts for that period of time doesn't it it's not like

spk_0 it's not forever it's like that one day and you know you live that out and obviously you can

spk_0 relive it forever and ever but you know you still go back to feeling the same way and the next game

spk_0 of cricket that you you play which took me by surprise actually I'm going to make us quite

spk_0 difficult but going to make us try and pick one factor that we think is the most important

spk_0 for World Cup winning teams I'm going to nick the first one because it's quite a hard question I

spk_0 just think your best players performing at that period of time in the calendar year that World Cup

spk_0 arrives and your players are informed they're relaxed they're scoring your runs they're taking

spk_0 your wickets you're trevibadious to write your players win you World Cups and just having key players

spk_0 cruising relaxed playing well it takes you so far I'm glad you went first I got

spk_0 just hard to beat that isn't it great you need top players also that unity because you do face

spk_0 adversaries and Mike Tyson everyone's got plan to get punched in the face and at some point in a

spk_0 World Cup that will happen and how you can react to that moment can you you know stay the course

spk_0 and see it through and not be sort of interrupted and put off by the media and the narrative that

spk_0 is outside can you protect that dressing room and that feeling that you've gone in there obviously

spk_0 which you need great players to do in different ways and you need great support so that but that

spk_0 sanctuary can you keep that there when when the pressure moments come on when the adversity comes

spk_0 when you lose the game that you should have won those kind of can you still stay the course I think

spk_0 for us in 2019 that that came you know that was built over years years and years of playing together

spk_0 for a long period of time and just trusting in your mate and think oh he's a great player he's a

spk_0 great player he's good he doesn't do it he'll do it and not that you didn't want to be the one to

spk_0 do it but it was like well if I don't do it something one of these guys will and I thought that

spk_0 kept us together really really well yeah I think yeah I think you're gonna have to go last and this

spk_0 is quite a trick yeah well I feel like you guys have just taken my thunder but it's fun but I

spk_0 think that the one thing I just say is momentum and what I mean by that is it can hit you at two

spk_0 points I think in a World Cup you either get it coming in because you're on a great run you've been

spk_0 winning your team's been rebuilding for years everyone's talking about you and you believe that you've

spk_0 got it all which we've also had is you get into tournament it's a bit clunky and then you realise

spk_0 this I must win and you get that momentum and you just kind of ride it to the final and I think

spk_0 whenever that moment comes like a good team maximises it and stays with it and rolls with it

spk_0 because you have to win in a World Cup it's different to bilateral you have to take take that

spk_0 momentum at some stage and to do that you've got to have which you said first that you stole what I

spk_0 said yeah you want to be a great coach it's in great players so we've got time for this we

spk_0 kept thanks again for joining us once again big question can England win the World Cup they can but

spk_0 I think it's going to be really hard I'm going to be honest I think Australia India they're so

spk_0 good in Australia so good yeah and if anyone saw the game recently Australia scored 410 India got

spk_0 390 England I'm going to have to have the same game that was just recent in there they're playing a

spk_0 series just before ground like absolutely right actually your ideal team yeah what's they never

spk_0 they've been about must have been great place to that can they do it they need a bit of luck yeah

spk_0 all you need is a bit of luck we need to be fine how do I thank saves yeah best of luck to the England

spk_0 and I'm sure you can win that World Cup follow us on youtube instagram Spotify or TikTok and leave

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