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Episode 14 - Week 6 reactions and Landon Grove joins the show
In Episode 14 of the Local Legends podcast, hosts Jason Sutton and Ryan Oshak dive into the thrilling Week 6 high school football matchups, featuring standout performances and unexpected twists. Speci...
Episode 14 - Week 6 reactions and Landon Grove joins the show
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Filming in last week is I made my way to Boston for the weekend.
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We had a great time.
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Tonight we got a great show though.
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We're going to talk about week six.
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Incredible week really.
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I mean the matchups were good.
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Some of the games we didn't expect to be good.
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This school year.
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So tonight we're going to start we I know we're okay red bias.
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We're SEC bias.
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We're okay red bias.
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I mean Hudsonville Rockford was the game.
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It was one of the best games in the entire state.
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Hudsonville 5 and 0 Rockford 4 and 1.
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Well this one became a snoozer early.
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It's Hudsonville ran out to 28.
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Nothing like that.
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I don't know your coaching.
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I don't know how much of this you know about.
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Rockford comes storming back makes it 20.
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21.
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What I'm told is Hudsonville receives the kickoff after rockford.
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Made it 20.
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21 and went out of bounds to 1 yard line.
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So they're 99 yards away.
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Rockford is all the momentum and Hudsonville goes on a 99 yard drive.
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And they catch a pass.
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Lawson Weber catches a pass from Brady Van Lake and he won handed it.
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I mean this was an unbelievable play.
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It puts Hudsonville up 35 21 Rockford scores late but it doesn't matter.
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Hudsonville wins 35 28 so.
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What are our takeaways here at 28 nothing I'm going man.
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Hudsonville must be really good.
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I still think Hudsonville is really good.
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I think I'm top five in the state.
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I've got number one in West Michigan.
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I don't think anybody is arguing that at this point.
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But Rockford came firing back made it a ball game.
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I feel like I feel like Hudsonville man.
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I mean they they have just taken what they've done last year with that run
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to the state championship game.
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And they've continued to build right.
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And if you think about the grand picture of Hudsonville football
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in the last 20 years.
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I think they played for two state championships and maybe never got it
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rolling as you know for the next year in the following year.
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I feel like their programs at that spot now where it's continued rolling.
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And I know coach Sandy man he's just an awesome job.
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And in the word is out about Hudsonville is how physical they are.
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If you're going to go and beat our Rockford team or you're going to run the table on the OK red.
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You better be really physical.
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And the word on the street right now is Hudsonville's the most physical team in West.
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Michigan and they're proving that night in and night out.
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You don't go down a night and you're drive without playing some physical football.
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And they're doing that and they're doing a great job with it.
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So my takeaway is Hudson's going to continue to play bully ball.
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You know Rockford is going to continue to be opportunistic and try to take those opportunities when they come.
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But again it's really hard to beat teams in the month of October in the month of November.
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If they're going to play bully ball they're going to play really physical.
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So I think that's the best way to get the ball.
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What's interesting is we've run down the other OK red scores tonight.
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West Ottawa beats East Kentwood 45 to 8.
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Very.
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East Kent would be West Ottawa.
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Yeah that's that East Kentwood be West Ottawa.
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Sorry 45 to 8.
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Caledonia beats Grand Haven 28 to 6 and Grandville beats.
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Geneson 31 to 6.
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That game and it'll be one of the best of the night because Granville jumps up to 19.
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Nothing lead.
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Geneson comes back and scores 26 to the next 32 points.
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Takes a lead late.
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And then Granville throws an 80.
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I touched on past win the game 31 26.
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But what I really want to talk about here is there's still no tank Terry for Granville.
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What I really want to talk about here is West Ottawa and Hudsonville played this Friday night.
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And Hudsonville went unblemished with the OK red last year and then did it again in the playoffs, which is even more impressive.
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They have a chance.
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I think to run the table again the OK red.
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Their biggest hurdle at this point is with Granville doesn't have tank Terry in week eight.
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Is this East Kentwood game this week.
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I think this has to be really good.
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I mean, East Kentwood can play with that.
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They can and I think.
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Boy, you look at those two teams.
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I mean, if there's a team that can knock them off and we even set it early on in the year, it's got to be a team like East Kentwood because I think East Kentwood.
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I mean, they're going to challenge you in the air no matter what.
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And I know that Hudsonville likes to pack their defense down like to bring a lot of dudes in the box.
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And I think East Kentwood's going to have the opportunity to try try to throw the football on a little bit.
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I don't know if they've seen a team like that this year yet.
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So I mean, you look at that game.
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I mean, that's that that's an unbelievable matchup.
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If there's a team that can hang with them, I think it's going to be East Kent one.
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All right.
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We'll turn our attention to the OK green.
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That's where I was tonight.
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I had the Misskegan Mona Shores game.
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And I mean, that's a game that we always circle, you know, I mean, those two programs have been two of the best in the state for the last decade plus Misskegan, obviously much longer than that.
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But Misskegan's just their they were better.
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I'm the ski wins the game 28 to 12.
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It wasn't that close.
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And the ski game ran out 28 nothing.
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An interesting game in that.
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I'm sure it got to ball to start the game with three and out.
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Misskegan got the ball with three and I'm sure it's got the ball with three and I'm the ski going three and out.
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So we're four possessions in nobody has a first down.
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One of the first puts together a long drive.
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They go from their own five to the Misskegan five.
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But on fourth and goal.
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They throw a pass in the end zone and gets knocked down and completely turn the ball around down.
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It was a 14 play 90 yard drive that took six and a half minutes.
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But resulted in no points three plays later.
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Misskegan's in the end zone.
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And it was all downhill from there.
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Lamar Bradford their quarterback 245 yards.
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Four touchdowns all the ground.
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He threw two passes tonight.
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I do want to talk about the second one.
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Two passes tonight.
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They win 28.
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Motor short score to touchdown in the fourth quarter about four minutes to go got the onside kick scored again.
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This both extra points never really was in doubt.
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So Misskegan's got the ball running out the clock.
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They do not have to they could just take one final kneel down the games over at 2812.
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And they threw the ball into the end zone.
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That sounds that sounds like Rob or week right there.
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I was shocked.
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That one surprised me.
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I get it.
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The motor shorters and Misskegan they'll like each other.
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I get it.
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There's a whole lot of stories that go on with that.
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But I still was surprised to see that.
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But nonetheless, Misskegan's one four row.
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I have said from the beginning, I think Misskegan's really good people on social media are really mad at me because I continue to rank Misskegan highly.
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I mean, they lost by four to Grandville when they had Tink Terry had the lead in the second half.
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They lost by four to Rockford or 20th Street half Bradford got dinged up with Lamar Bradford in there.
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The skikins are really tough out.
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Really tough.
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Now they're in the driver's seat.
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They only beat team the okay green and their okay green games left are union and respawn.
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You know, and you think of the bigger picture.
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I mean, in division two, right?
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I mean, Misskegan's got to be turned some heads a year after not making the playoffs.
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And you talk about if they're able to get everybody back healthy and is at 100%.
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Boy, they like you said they're they're going to be a tough out.
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I mean, obviously they're going to be a tough out in their conference.
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They've got one game lingering on that schedule.
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I know Cincinnati Molar, who I believe just lost to elder tonight,
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which is a huge match up in the Cincinnati area.
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Shout out to Cincinnati, which I think is one of the greatest cities in the country.
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But I mean, Misskegan man, they're getting better when it counts, right?
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And they're already really good, but they've played a really tough schedule just like many.
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But man, they they seem like they're continuing to get better as the season goes on.
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And that's where you want to be as a football program.
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Yeah, they were really good on defense tonight too.
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And that defense is what's been getting better.
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Remember they give up 70 points, 74 points, the first two games,
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but they're not giving up points now.
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In fact, they just give up too late touchdowns.
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So let's look at the other side of this.
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Forget about the conference race at this point.
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It's in my mind it's put to bed.
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Misskegan would have to lose a major upset for anything else to happen.
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Molar's shores is three and three.
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And they're going to force those Northern next week.
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Force those Northern beats.
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Reese Puffer tonight, 40 to 27.
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Oh, and asked to put four rushing touchdowns in the passing touchdown.
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They're both three and three.
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And you look at this.
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Molar's shores will have Union and Week 8, which will be a heavy favorite.
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But they have Toledo Central Catholic in week nine.
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They'll be an underdog in that game.
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Forest Hills Northern still has Byron Center and you guys week nine.
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All games that I think will be close games.
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I mean, this game is going to be huge next week.
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Molar's shores and forrests North.
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The loser I don't think is going to make the playoffs.
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I mean, you talk about week one in the playoffs for the first four games.
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For for both of these teams next week.
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And we talked about how much we like four Stills Northern at the beginning of the year.
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I mean, I still think they're a really good football team.
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They can play with anybody up front.
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Right.
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Oh, and Osipo is as good of athlete as anyone in West Michigan.
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I mean, they for both those coaches, Eddie Osipo and Matt Koziak.
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I mean, this is the week.
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This is it to see if they can get in the playoffs.
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Byron Center out there.
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One of them on the shores last week beats Union 49 6.
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Byron Center's now three and three.
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They're into a little bit softer part of their schedule.
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So we'll see they have Reese puffer and then they have.
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Forest Hills Northern and of course they finish with with the team out of Illinois.
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So but I think Byron Center is going to be a playoff team division too.
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And that's part of going to shape all this D two stop.
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Owners shores forstills nor going to I think one of them will get in and one of them well.
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It's my guess.
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You got to two Trevor city schools up there.
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I think potentially both could get in or maybe only one.
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Right.
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And then where does Northview fit in?
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Where does portage central portage northern fit in?
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That's going to be fascinating to watch.
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All right, let's go to the OK Black.
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I know you the surprise and most exciting part of the show for you.
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But you lose a hell of Christian tonight and over time.
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So, correct.
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I'm going to have to get a couple of call out for a couple of call out.
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You lose a couple of call out tonight or a time 37 30.
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It's just like every week for you five or the six weeks have been just unbelievably right down the wire close games.
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Just tell me you take away from from tonight.
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Yeah, you know, I mean, I think you know coach Doc, you got to tip your cap to him.
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I mean, they did an unbelievable job.
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I mean, we didn't we didn't have the opportunity for some to punt the entire game.
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And then offensively we didn't really punch it in.
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In the overtime, right?
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The game kind of ended in a wild fashion.
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And I'm talking about in in in in the standard time.
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But then we get into overtime and they scored right away and we just weren't able to punch it in.
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So, you know, I mean, they had a great game playing on offense.
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They did a now fine defense for us to not, you know, be able to come away and win this game.
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And again, I think we're still searching even since week one.
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Played four consistent quarters of football and then coming out on top and in in in playing that complimentary football that we've talked about and just saying we're putting all four quarters together.
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And we're going to play well.
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I mean, we've had some spurts.
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We've kind of just been up and down and up and down.
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And that place and blame on anybody, which is kind of kind of looking at ourselves in the mirror.
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I think that's what great men do is they look at themselves in the mirrors that you know what man.
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This is what we got to do to get better.
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And you know, I mean, credit to them and they've been a very good football team.
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They took Catholic Central rates of the wire that would the week before it.
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I think I think some of their best footballs in front of them as well.
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So at this point, you've got Catholic Central who had no problem about a wheel tonight alone in first place and then he's currently happens in TK each in second at two and one.
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But Catholic Central already beat both of those teams.
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So they need you to help them in two weeks.
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You play Catholic Central.
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I want to talk about TK for a second real quick.
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They're four and two.
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At this point, they look like a playoff team in division three.
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We know about Mike Adak, their junior quarterback who is Jeff Doc's son.
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He was a starter last year as a sophomore.
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Tell us about D-Boe Robinson.
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I believe he's 30.
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They're full back.
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He's pretty good.
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You know, there you go.
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Yeah, I mean, he's a low dino when they give him the football.
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You know, it doesn't he he's a let one guy bring him down.
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And he just continues to move his feet.
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He also plays on defense.
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I mean, he played a lot of stamps.
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I mean, he played on kickoff team.
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They try to kick it on.
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And so I kick and he touched it right before it went 10 years.
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But they got to move him around.
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If it's not Mike Adak, it's him.
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And he's just a great football player and he's continuing to get better.
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Man, I mean, he's he's everybody as good as advertised.
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He had a great game tonight.
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And TK is interesting assuming they get in the playoffs in D3 because of their geographical location.
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They could go south and play schools like Harper Creek.
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Or they could go north.
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And then everybody in Grand Rapids D3.
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You got low east Grand Rapids.
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Ken O'Hill, Cedar Springs.
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I mean, see when he's Cooper's bill so many D3 schools in this area.
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So it's going to be interesting to see how that all plays out as well.
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East Grand Rapids beat Holland Christian tonight.
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4121.
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That's a team trending.
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You just played them last week.
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I mean, pioneers are probably going to be in my top 10 this week.
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Now, this is the tough deal because they all.
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They lost the low 40 to seven in week one.
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And then I'll have the same record as low.
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I just feel like.
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I just feel like East Grand Rap.
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That was that was week one.
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And I don't know.
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East Grand Rapids is playing good football.
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I think I'm going to have my top 10 this week.
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Yeah, I don't blame me.
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I mean, again, defensively.
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I mean, I talked about it last week on the podcast.
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I mean, it's best front seven.
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You know, what are the best front seven that I've ever coached against?
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They do a great job and they're they're playing very well in defense.
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So credit to them.
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They're doing a great job.
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I don't blame me for putting them in the top 10.
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All right.
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Okay, silver.
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Belving takes care of fruit port tonight 37 to eight.
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I was a little surprised that wasn't closer.
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So, Belving goes to four and only silver 21 straight.
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Okay, silver wins trying to make a four straight league titles.
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Godwin Heights.
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Bulls.
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Sir, they beat Holland 49 19.
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So, Godwin Heights is now three in a row in the silver.
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They'll go to fruit port next week.
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Then home for Kellexville.
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Both of those games are not easy, especially when you talk about the rivalry of Godwin and Kellexville.
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Kellexville is playing much better this year and they finish week nine at Belving.
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There is the potential that both Belving and Godwin Heights could be undefeated on the league when they meet in week nine.
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We'll see Belving's the less common sight park when we get their out of conference to play Oak Ridge.
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Next week, Oak Ridge got a really nice win tonight.
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Beat Whitehall 14 13.
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The West Michigan conference lakes.
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Well, Whitehall led that game 13 to nothing.
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How about Tim Parker?
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Third coach in 47 years at Oak Ridge following Jack Sugar's and Kerry Hargard.
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He's five and one is only lost as the letting ten.
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They're a second place in that West Michigan conference lakes division.
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I mean, they're doing a great job.
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I mean, Tim Parker, I mean, just.
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Obviously, his coaching background speaks for itself, but I just think that I mean to beat a Whitehall.
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I mean, I just think they're trying the right direction.
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And I know in division five, they're no easy out.
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They aren't, I mean, they play really good.
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And I know that they played really good last year in the playoffs as well.
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So I mean, they're kind of hanging out there and I think they're going to be a tough on playoffs.
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Also in the West Michigan conference, letting ten beats, man, a steal a bit of a rivalry there.
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48 to six, so letting ten six and oh.
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And it's really playing well that D4 is getting.
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I mean, statewide D4 is loaded when you talk about Harper Woods has to be the favorite.
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Good rich is really good.
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And then you start talking about Portland.
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And you start talking about unity Christian and letting ten and big rapids.
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And I haven't even gotten to I guess Harp Creek's actually for this year.
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I mentioned them with TK, but I think Harp Creek's for they're really good.
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They just beat Kennew White Hills last week.
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Vicksburg you played Vicksburg.
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I think Vicksburg's pretty good.
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I think before is going to be really, really good.
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Dear board and divine child who just be too.
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Yeah, they're best players going to Iowa and he's got, you know, cousins and brothers.
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They're calling themselves the Italian mafia.
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I mean, they they're unbelievable division fours where it's at this year competitive wise and unity Christian beat.
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We didn't do the gold yet.
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Unity Christian beat zero last night.
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14 to six.
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Well, who was it was a low scoring last year was twenty eight last year.
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Which is the game right?
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It was six.
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Yeah, just kept around.
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How about South Christian coming back to beat four still central 32 26.
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They were down or four maybe 42 37 of a high scoring game.
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They were down in that game.
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I mean, South Christian, they cannot afford their schedule so tough.
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And they're at three and three now.
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I mean, boy, they are going to be on the edge of that playoffs when you figure they so play Catholic central.
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They still have to play unity Christian.
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I mean.
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You know, that's a huge win for them.
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Razor thing, Razor thing margins for them right now.
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And I think that each week has got to be a playoff game for them.
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Yeah, and Zielini's be twioming tonight.
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So the chicks are now three and three.
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That's it. Zielini's the South Christian.
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So I have to play that's another game.
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I think will be really close.
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And then the okay, white tonight.
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You had Hamilton beat four sales Eastern.
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Nice win for the Hawkeyes.
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And then you had spring lake on homecoming beating wayland.
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And then the big one in the league.
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West Catholic over Grand Rapids Christian 51 14.
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I thought that would be closer.
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Grand Rapids Christians really been playing well.
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And they've got some good young play.
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They're a young football team.
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There are young players.
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Yeah, they're they're training up.
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And I know coach sunberg's doing an excellent job with his crew.
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And he's just really kind of built it back.
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And then he took over for coach fells.
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And I think he had kind of a loaded roster when he took over for them.
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And they were able to compete with anybody.
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I mean, treat be told they're one of the very favorite team of mine
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to watch on tape just to get ideas.
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Because he does such an outstanding job.
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And now that his roster is more of some of the guys that he's been looking at.
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They're doing a better job.
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And obviously West Catholic is able to get after him quickly quickly tonight.
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All right.
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So let's go to let's go to.
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Lane a group head coach of West Catholic joins us talk about his team's.
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Lening his path to coaching.
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All right.
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We got Lane a Grove here.
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West Catholic head coach coach big win.
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And I have a Grand Rapids Christian.
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I mean, we come into this looking at this.
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Potentially the game that's going to decide your conference title.
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Grand Rapids Christian coming off really nice wins against spring.
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Like in four sales Eastern and you guys just take care of business 51 14.
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What went right for you guys tonight?
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Yeah, I mean, a lot of things went right.
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You know, we put four quarters together for the first time probably in a while.
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And we've like we've had glimpses of it this year.
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Like we looked really good and you know week one against actually we had some glimpses of really good.
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And then you know, we we would lose it and then you know, same thing against Cooper'sville.
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And it's like it's been kind of just like rollercoaster up and down and that.
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Like we so we like we know it's in there.
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It's just been like trying to pull it out and you know, I think last week against spring late the.
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I think I really felt it in regards like our guys playing confident again and with a little bit of swag to him.
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Like I know that's a cliche word to say.
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But like our guys been a little tight the last, you know, even dating back to last year.
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So just loosen up and have fun with it again was been like an emphasis the last couple of weeks and.
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You know, we felt the last week against a really good spring late team.
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And then tonight it kind of came into fruition where you know, our guys are locked in with a good plan.
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And that's a good football team like they've been playing some good football last couple of weeks.
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So good credit to them too.
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And you know, it was good to see our guys go out and play to the to the kind of the level we think we've seen at times this year and put it together for four quarters.
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Alright, so tonight's your fifth straight win.
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You guys have obviously been it feels like you've been getting better.
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Do you feel that way and how do you keep this going?
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Yeah, I absolutely feel that.
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It's like I said earlier, like we've had glimpses really good here and there and this is piece of it together.
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And it's like, you know, every year is different.
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You know, catching your stride looks different every year and it's like different every year since I've been here.
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I look different. I was a double Carlson and it looked different when we were in Alcarg.
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You know, and it's one of those things where it's like getting a group of kids to feel confident in what they're doing and you know, finding guys in the right place is like we've made a couple moves here and there in regards to who's playing where who's playing how much and.
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You know, those it's a never any process, but yeah, like it does it does feel like we're in our striper say, you know, it's a never any process to actually feel like you're hitting your stride.
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You never want to you never want to feel like you're peaking, but we're playing a football right now and I think again, it dates back to last week of spring, like I think they're really good.
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And you know, beating them is flippin hard man like it took four quarters on them and that's a credit to Cody Mallory who's I think is done a fantastic job over there and.
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You know, and then tonight to go out and play as well as we did against the Grand Abourch Christian team who beat spring lake and came off a big winning as four so the Eastern.
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Yeah, it's it's it's it's a it's a good sign I think to see as put you know some football some full games together.
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And all three phases and I think special teams have been a big piece of that I think we took a step back last year special teams and you know we put a big emphasis on that this year and I think it's showing a little bit.
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You're going in you got three three weeks left in the regular season right I think it's four sales Eastern is that there no way in four sales Eastern and then zero west yeah yeah you probably got to win at least one of those next two to secure the conference correct.
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Yes, sir yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah because grand up restrictions I think I think grand restrictions go shot to win out they think they're good sure so yeah we got it we got it with the least we got to win at least one to share it both the way it out right.
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So so that last third of the year right the last third of the season man how are you building toward the playoffs because you guys are going to be in the playoffs regardless how are you building like in this last third you ever think about it like that like I mean yeah we're going to be in the playoffs I mean obviously we could be one of the top seeds or you know we don't win them.
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We're one of the bottom seeds. Yeah redoing that last third of the pre-chayman we're going to get ready for playoffs. Yeah.
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So these are the opponents. It's funny because when you guys had coach Ronan he said something that he said something that like stuck in me it's like you know bill for November and like all like it's cliche but it's so true man like there's times we can get frustrated early and it's like you can rush a get back like I remember guess in week one against your game like we had a couple of kids we could rush back but it's like gosh it's a worth it week one because like he's like he build that thing for the for the long haul so
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it's really never ending for us is like you know we wanted to win the non-conference of for us that meant like going through you know in the first chunk and we didn't necessarily get that step but you know now we're on a conference and you know when you're at a place like West Catholic you preach really don't legacy and our seniors all our seniors know is when he's a conference titles and like that's a big goal for us like you guys could be one of the few senior classes ever to leave here where all we've all you've done has been a conference and as you know in the okay that's really hard to do.
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So that's been a big preaching where we're like you know we can't be satisfied with just being in this position and then there is something to be said too about like you know like we do we're gonna self scout this week and at least I am on the opposite side and like you know finds and things like why are we doing right what are we doing wrong you know is there some big tendencies that we have for mationally down in distance wise and kind of look at those things and like find we know what are the what are the glaring issues we got going on here they're so there's always something to do but for us it's like you know I think it's like you know just the game you know you can't do that.
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You gotta find something as you know I think they got three weeks left like what can we find that we're struggling at to really hone it in and you know with the way the playoff point system is it's like you kind of you kind of know what you're gonna see around here so it's like you know playing them at home or playing them wherever you know it's gonna happen.
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So it's like we got to be we just got to get ourselves to be the best version of ourselves by that point and that's really the goal for us and you know just like I think I've done a better job of not being so obsessed with like exterior things.
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You know what is what is this team doing what do they look like versus what we're doing and what we look like and that's been a big growth point for myself first things like let's just worry about ourselves you know and take it one day at a time one day at a time.
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All right while we're on that let's just roll with it in the playoffs obviously it's three games left a conference title to win but we all know what you're referencing of course you're talking about a potential match up with Catholic Central in the playoffs which you've had happened in the last two years.
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Both of those were at home for you but didn't go the way you wanted I'm guessing you still want to play that game at home how much do you talk about these last three weeks about getting home field is that important I mean I'm not talking about Catholic I'm just talking about yeah.
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Yeah is that a goal it is I but like you guys talked about already on the podcast like this home field like I don't know like for us it's like whether it's home food or not it's just like we want to go to the I because I don't think home food advantage really means like either.
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Personally like one of the like the one of my favorite wins of all time was when I was at Gibraltar Carlson and we went to Woodhaven we nine to win the conference title at their place and it was like some haunted like venue that you have to go to win as a guy's wrist plan football tight scoop football stadium.
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Like stadium beautiful stadium it's beautiful yeah it's kind of like when we go to lovers back in the day at Ferris State and take care of businesses beautiful.
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No that that that no like it's like because at the end of the high school football you got a student section plus fans on your side they got a student section plus fans on their side so it's more just like we like our for our seniors yes I want to have another home game because I think like I think that's cool and like you know and playing home games of West Catholic is really special like there's a there's a good environment like there's not a lot of places who do it like that and that's not a biased thing I just think from what I've seen like it's you.
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So there's certainly some emphasis on like giving our seniors another home game in you know if that's an extra motivators an extra motivator for them to be ready to go for these last three weeks and you know just trying to try and play at home as much as you can for our seniors and they all this senior classes awesome like this is I've had him this is the first time as a coach I've been at the same place where I've had him freshman through so they mean a lot to me so like if that if that if that's something that's important to them you know that's going to be a big emphasis for me to the to our team like the only if it looks like that.
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So I got to I got to win the clock back for you here okay and maybe I've told you this thread and I've been hitting I had one to pay time so I don't necessarily give me both.
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Okay you're a I can't remember what grade you were in high school but you're getting a new head football coach right the glad when job is open.
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Yeah yeah a young a young Josh coach Josh Shaddon gets the job right but there was another young coach that tried to get that job really really hard it was Ryan Ashknock no way I interviewed for the glad when job back in 2007 I might maybe I've been on I've been 0809 yeah so I'm like that.
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I'm with her on the I don't know what year so I mean if I had to get the job I didn't get the job I I would go Josh I finished second I don't know if I did a second or not but I was I was teaching and coaching in South Carolina back then.
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You're the South Carolina guy that's wild that James that burns high school and Duncan South Carolina.
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I've never heard this what I remember Marcus Latimore yes he was our tail back dude yes what clouds or anyone get to that something else I know you were in the South.
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I was on the some people like I never knew you were in like the running for your like glad when job oh finalist man what are the final the shed I got it yeah anyway I mean I maybe I could have been with you I don't know maybe I don't know that's right.
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I wouldn't be coaching now right I don't know but okay I want to I want to do this you go and play at Ferris I was at Ferris.
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Yeah.
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Time but I left before you got there I believe if I'm getting there yeah like right after signing day when I'm we signed correct correct but what I want to talk to you about is the amount of coaches that have played or coach with Tony and he's so if you are going to pinpoint something why is Tony and he's is coaching tree so vast not not only coaches that coach with them or now I go just but players that coach with them yeah
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but why is it so big you tell me.
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Um relationships like he like it's hard we were I was talking about this the other day because coach Casula had his pressure talking about like when they were talking about Trinidad and what he's doing it all miss and it's like are you surprised it's like no no one's really surprised.
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Um and then like I got into a conversation with the blue Shatic was in the conversation with a couple people that we know it's like until you're actually like playing for coach in East or coaching with coach in East or like in that locker room and big rapids it's really hard to explain the authentic relationships that he builds with his guys.
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Um and the love that he shows for his guys and like I was like I wasn't very good like I made the bus and like I found a way to contribute much like coob like that dude like I felt like he loved me doesn't much you love anybody and you know and this is like the relationships and his ability to you know meet every single kid where they stand is I've never seen anything like it like he knew he could coach me a certain way but he also knew he could coach the home bro in a certain way and he like he just did that with everybody and I'm sure he's going to be able to do that.
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I think like you gravitate towards that love and those relationships and for me that was it like and a lot of that goes to coach Shatic too like you know playing for him and the relationship have been I had like that was a start of it and then like the tipping point was like going to play for coach in East and just like you know I want to do this for kids man because like the best the this is the best it's hard like this game gives so much and then when you do it for the right type of coach who is like lead like full blown and love with his guys.
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Players and in love with the process man it's just special like it's especially my heart feels super warm talking about it like it's real it's real love and nothing fake about it like that's that's my guy and coach Shatic's my guy and I would like you know we're talking about it today like you know coach you need to tell me to do something crazy right now I probably
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go with the question yeah alright what do you need and that's just that's just how it goes you know so being around him it's like I was a pre long major when I started and I was like this is stupid like I need to go I need to go coach football and so like I just latched on to coach at Nese and you know coach Kosulu coach Kosulu while he was there and it's like you know you just find yourself around good people and you're like man I want to do what they do and you know I want I want to have an impact on kids like he's had an impact on so many kids it's like it's just it's just special it's really it's hard to do it.
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It's hard to feel it unless you're there but you can try to explain as best you can but even the words don't do justice of what he's done for this game and what he's done for people you know the same coach Shatic as well like just the impact they've had on so many people to make them want to be coaches and give back to and try to and try to even do a little percentage of what they've done to get back to kids man like that's that's that's that's truthly what it is.
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So when did you decide or know that you wanted to do this you wanted to be a coach was it before you got the Ferris or was that maybe where it happened for you.
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So Shatic got the job at Seymour Indiana after I was done playing for my senior year and I was like at that point I was like all right cool I'm done like I'm happy for it that's awesome like that's really cool.
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Then I like spring break wasn't nearly as cool and glad to miss you again at the time as it is everywhere else around here like no one's going to dust in there like we're all like whatever spring break I was like I'm just chilling home he's like what are you doing.
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I don't really have plans he goes you want to come help me run you've camp down here in Seymour so that yeah that sounds cool but like they're cool he's like I need like you can help me set up some stuff so I went I rode down in a to Seymour Indiana was Shatic we drove down there like a seven hour drive through freaking middle of nowhere Indiana.
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And we stayed with his guy named Darrell right across from the stadium who in he was their scoreboard operator and we stayed up and is like upward level loft and I helped him run youth camp and I was like gosh is this sweet like I loved it and we were to run like middle school camp and I was like I just I loved it so I was like I so like I knew then I wanted to coach and then I was going to Ferris and I was a pretty long I had this like big idea that I was going to go and be like a sports agent or something like I don't know the dumb idea.
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And then I'm then it's like obviously I got around coach and he's like all right like one of my pretending for so he goes after my it was literally after my first semester of Ferris I was like all right like I got to get into secondary ed I'm going to be a social studies major P minor and we're going to go and like the total cliche for a football coach social studies with P like everybody like the so yeah like that was it like I knew I wanted to coach football after going to Seymour Shatic and then playing for coach and East was kind of like the ice on the cake.
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So you so you get your first head job at Gibraltar Carlson right and so in my in my recruiting you know I've been coach college footballing over 10 years now right but in my recruiting hey day I love the down river league that's back when Wyand out was rolling obviously would haven't was always good you know
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I'm a stego was that Taylor you know Taylor Truman you go down so and I knew all these guys Alan Park the who all these dudes and you get the job over there and everyone's like well who is this guy has you know this dude I was like well I don't really know him I go but I bet he's going to do pretty good.
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And they're like you know we feel like Gibraltar Carlson's kind of like a sleeping giant ish you know I'm like I'm telling you Gibraltar Carlson is an unbelievable place.
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It sits right there on the Detroit River right you kind of beer off to the right as you're heading down 75 North right you got all those like tall I don't even know what you call those and there's like a swamp around yeah I love it you get there I mean I don't know if I ever told you I'm getting phone calls from Woodhaven from from Wyand out they're like what's this guy doing man he's running all this stuff man it's so good it's so complimentary man talk about your time I mean you're you're one year and I don't want to say like one and done.
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Because you're always looking I mean what what the one thing about good coaches if you have another great opportunity and it's really hard if you don't jump man it's really really hard talk about your one year at your brother and how you lit it up man I love that dude I love that place and I can't say enough good things about that place.
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They're the AD Dan Cobb flush man like you gave me a shot like then that's all from forever grateful for him because it's like he took a risk on me like you know young kid only been in the season coach like said let's ride and and he believes in me and gave me that shot so I forever appreciate him and that district's got to go on on man they they're invested in kids they're invested in athletics and for me like I didn't want to leave my like the reason I ended up believing is because my wife got that like a job opportunity for her in dentistry it's like yeah you
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know you trump me in that regard so we're gonna go to Grand Rapids and it's like I was a finalist at two places one of them was West Catholic I got offered the job by two by both places that on the same day is okay and the West Catholic which obviously is a really good job.
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Like you know I'm not gonna I'm not gonna pretend as not so I was obviously excited about that but like I I was at the brothel Carlos and I was like I'm gonna take my roots in here I'm gonna say for 50 years like this is just gonna be where I'm at it's like this place is sweet.
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I'm in the down river league with sweet like it was fun but man like those like those kids were awesome that senior group ahead and brought there was awesome they bought
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any immediately our staff was awesome and like the best thing about it is like the staff I was with is they're all still there like Drew Sweeney was our
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decordinator he's still there being the decordinator Jason Jenner is their head coach he was a receivers coach then he's still the head coach
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Dale mid-kid with my own line coach for an awesome still they'll like coach Ryan but soon was Ryan best coach still the Ryan best coach
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and our AD was on staff with me they're still on staff calling the offense so it's like they're just they did they are a role and they've done
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it's such a good job down there and yeah like one thing does one of those things too where I got the job I didn't really know any better
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other than than it just be anything other than what I knew which was myself and you know a little bit a little bit
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brash at times which is probably still what some people think of me here like what you see is what you get and you know our our
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staff and our kids kind of bought into the they manly let's just go get this thing and we did and you know other than
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Alan Park who the man coach coach Sonoski is a really good they got our but that you're twice but other than that
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like we rolled we had a great year so much fun I learned so much from that like it was awesome and you know just took
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I took the things I knew from coach Shadick and coach Anise and kind of tried to made him as much off thank
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it to myself as I possibly could and that's those are still my roots of you know learning so much from that
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year and bringing it over here and you know still learning a ton as we all do every year so yeah forever forever
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grateful for that place forever grateful the Dan Cobb Flesher gave me that opportunity I don't have near the
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knowledge or experience of the downriver that Ashtas so to help me out you're one year at Gibraltar Carlson
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in the downriver what's that like and how's it different similar than West Catholic in the okay conference
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oh it is different it is different and I can't speak for certain on it now
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and I'm not like this is not like a disrespect thing towards an under believe but I what I have noticed the
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differences over here is the investment from every school into athletics and specifically football
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because the schools that got it going on right now realize what football does for a school community
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and the things and the things that can do in regards to momentum building for you know
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other sports for the classroom for the school culture everything and it's like so many schools are
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making those commitments you're you're going against good coaches every week and it's like winning
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is so hard over here because like even if a team is quote unquote not good like that's that's not
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true because everyone's got a good football coach it's like you look around though you look around
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the okay conference and the RCA right now it's like every single week there's teams that are
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underdogs per se that are just like either winning or pushing teams to the brink and we saw some
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of those scores tonight like it's like it's it's it's it's that's the biggest difference is like
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every single week you have to be ready to go and it's like it's like you can't just say all right we're
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just going to run our base stuff because like teams are going to have a plan for your base stuff you
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better have a couple wrinkles and you better have some adjustments how they're going to fend your base
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stuff and you know for us too like we we know who we are we know what the name on the front of our
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target for a lot of teams and it's like you know that makes it fun it also makes it challenging
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and you know there's there's a lot to be said about that too so yeah this is the quality of football and
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you know the players over here too are a lot better than I think people give them credit for
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like there's some good ball players over here man like it's just it's every week it's just
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hard it's tough and it's not to say it wasn't hard over there like we we had to coach our butts
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off but yeah over here like I think it's just it's a little bit different in that regard.
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Jason the tradition in the downriver league is on Saturday mornings.
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Did it was this was this going on when you were there on Saturday the Saturday morning breakfasts
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but I didn't get invited I wasn't very well liked
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been up the church all the head coaches in the downriver league on Saturday morning they
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get together and they have breakfast at the same place they'd been doing it for like 30 years I
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keep like they didn't buy you. No I got lost in the mail I think. I love that that's awesome we
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get in like and I forget how they used to like figure out who was gonna pay for it was like a thing
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it was a thing. Yeah that's sweet I would have went. Geez I think I think it was I don't know
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yeah they might have they might have not been doing any more on that because I never heard about it
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but there's some there's a lot of folktales down there they get different it's like like
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the people love their powerful ball over there too like they love power or they love they love
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rip fly 45 they love they love trap like this yeah they like getting dirty with it downriver
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sweet man it's a good place. Yeah it's good stuff that's right man I love it man. Oh yeah. All right
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so as we're finishing up the conversation here man like as it's moving forward man what do you
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got to say to the west Catholic faithful how you feeling about the remainder of the year you know
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let's give a good fire up speech to kind of cap this thing off man. Yeah I mean it's all it's
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it always has been and always will be about trusting the process and that's what we said from
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the jump man like every year is different and like I freaking our kids are awesome like I love
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our seniors right now man like they just they've they've been bought in from the time I got here
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than when they were freshmen and they're still bought in now and it's like kids like Connor
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and Grady and like all those guys like they just they they are all in for their teammates and I
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think my favorite thing right now is there's really no ego like I'm going into the night Conor
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Shesky and Colin Aaron both has 60 carries on the exact number like it's like we're
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we know it's hard to give guys the ball but it's like when there's no ego involved you don't
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really feel it that much so you know we're playing our best football right now and you know
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it's exciting it's an exciting time it's an exciting time of year where you're getting
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towards the tail end of the season and there's conference championships being decided and
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you know the news maps getting a little bit more real every week and you know we feel really good
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and it's like our kids work hard our coaches work hard and uh you know our fans our fans are
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Grady our community is great they should they they came on drugs again tonight and you know we
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feed off that and our kids love and appreciate it so it's it's a it's a good time it's a good time
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of year man best time of the year to be to be in football and the best time of the year to be in
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high school football specifically around here you probably didn't notice this but the first
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news to you map had you and calvac central and complete opposite sides of the bracket as in you
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wouldn't play to the state championship game but you probably didn't see that I
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I made her may not have seen that I just know how these I it's a he's not I ain't because it's not
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gonna happen it's not gonna help me three it's too hard because the playoff teams aren't I know
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I yeah it's it's it's one of those things too where it's like it's gonna be what it's gonna be
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and it's like you know yeah we get this one one way you got a time and especially like any more
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to like we said every to like you know white halls in D5 now like you get them around one you
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better be ready to freaking go and Oak Ridge is playing go football like you better be ready to go
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like Oak Ridge give us everything we can handle last year and they're a good proud tradition too so
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it's like yeah it's like it's very it's very easy to get distracted by the CCWC thing especially
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with how close those games been last couple years but yeah it's like it'd be be very very unwise of
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us to just look at that and be like all right when do we see CC because like when do we see
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white hall or like when do we see Oak Ridge or whoever the heck are Kalamazoo hack a Catholic press
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really good they they're there's a bunch of them so just you know staying focused on you know
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next week is next week wail and they're gonna get our full tension and then we'll be on to the next
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thing from that just keep keep keep seeing the rosary at St. Adalbert man keep it going yeah that's
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hey those are for the St. Adalbert rosary is a special occasion so we gotta get to if we get
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if we get to the St. Adalbert said to get to good weekend good thing that's a good thing well good
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luck to you man we appreciate it man it's it's always a pleasure having a conversation with brother
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yeah likewise guys I appreciate you for having me thanks landen thank you all right so thanks
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to land a grow that was good stuff better big fan of land since he got to West Cali can I
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mount him here a few years back so West Cali appears to be playing some really good football now and
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boy D5 D5 is gonna be fun because we all know what's coming and that'll be West Cali
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in Catholic Central there are good teams I mean obviously Oak Ridge Whitehall are both in D5
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tri counties and another one that's really good bond element quarterback so we'll see how that
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all shakes out but of course we're all point towards our West Cali County Central matchup win
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and if it happens all right let's do this top 10 thing here after week six uh
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I have to go has to stay number one I don't think there's any argument there right uh
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you rock for two I mean at 28 nothing maybe but like rock for beat miskeegan and so miskeegan's
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gonna be three because they were three from you last week do you think I do you think who's
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the number two team well I guess we're gonna fight out next week because if the east can't work
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you can get a victory right you know I mean maybe they could be number two and obviously they
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played rock for tougher to the end last week oh man yeah I mean I think you gotta leave rock for
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that too because I mean with they're a good football team man they beat miskeegan and he's
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can't win those are your two biggest in my opinion arguments for who could be number two
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how about you need Christian you need Christian well that was when I was gonna go so Brett Bikita has
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unity Christian number two um unity b zelos tonight 14 to six uh unity Christian has not played a team
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that I have seriously considered for my top 10 this year okay people say well what about
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zelos tonight okay I think you can make that argument I think that zelos should have lost to west
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Ottawa I'm not even talking about the Hail Mary I'm talking about the play before with the kid
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was down in balance from no time outs uh they did lose to white hall white hall lost to Oak
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Bridge tonight I think white halls are good anyways the point here is I just
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unit Christians played good teams they have a played teams is good that rock for it and miskeegan
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have played and these can't win have played you know what I mean yeah I agree I think you
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leave rock for it too but I do think unit Christians really good for a team so how do we decide
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there's a couple things I want to ask you about so what I'll have is that my top four will
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remain unchanged despite the fact of rock for the loss so I'll have number two four and two
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number three four and two rock for the miskeegan I'll have these can't win four five and one
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these can't win play hot some bill this week and then I'll have ported central five
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ported central continues to roll their six and oh I think they're still a week away from that
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portage nor their match up um and then I have unit Christian six it's like people are going to
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come at me with while every year ported central is a good rocker but whenever they play teams
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from a okay conference they get beat I don't know am I crazy they beat before still central already
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you know ported central is not not great this year but blanked them they beat Eastlancing
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all right Eastlancing's not great this year but that's not ported central's fault the Eastlancing
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is a state semifinals last year are we wrong to believe this ported am I wrong to believe this
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ported central no no because I think what you're seeing right now though is how well they're playing
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defense like they're they're playing lights out on defense to to have as many shutouts as they have
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right now and I think that's big and I think that's speaking volumes of their defense and then
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the way they're playing offense you know I'm just gonna keep grinding out and you gotta remember
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they got some really top tier prospects on the roster as well and they did give up their first
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touch on the season sign they beat countable two central 42 to seven they gave up a field goal
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last week to matter on the first points they gave up so they gave up 10 points in six games they
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have had six running clocks in fact tonight was their closest game with a 35 point win and they
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do have portage northern next week so you get the big portage northern portage central game next
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week portage northern very quietly is one five in a row since that lost to orchard lake st. Mary's
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in week one and you you can throw it out it's the rivalry and crazy things can happen I think
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portage central is the better team but that doesn't mean I'm right and even if they are it doesn't
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mean that game won't come right down the fourth floor to be interesting to see the portage central
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in the close game yeah absolutely and I think you know I'm I get you gotta maybe give micenders and
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and the guys the edge of that one especially the amount of games that he's coaching that rivalry
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but boy anything happened rivalry game and obviously portage northern runs a very unique offense
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just like portage central so it's gonna be hard to prepare for I really believe that and Kurt
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twitch old course was his former defense coordinator portage central those two know each other very very
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well so that's always a lot of fun all right so I have portage central five and I have unity christian six
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I don't know if I'm being fair to unity christian I think that Justin Phoebus is really good like I
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look at this I've watched them a little bit on film and they can throw the football like this is
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not a team that has to run it like they'll throw it first down and they will throw in teams don't
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expect them to throw and Justin Phoebus is pretty good man he's pretty good but I tell you what
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zero less home the 14 tonight I don't know any specifics I don't need details but that hold
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you any christian 14 is really good no no question I don't I don't blame you for thinking that one
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bit all right so then it gets a little murky so seven eight nine ten um for everyone's
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Catholic central is a fair to have the kugers at seven undefeated undefeated they're one of only
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few yeah one of only few that are undefeated so if I have them at seven um where does where does
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west catholic fit in the mix well this is what I wanted to ask you about grandville and I wanted
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the podcast to talk to you about this last week like grandville recently get the cult to rank
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because they have the same record this was last week and this week they have the same record is
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miskegon and they beat miskegon head to head so generally my rule is I would have to have grandville
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ranked ahead of miskegon the reason I don't is because tink terry's not playing and I believe that
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he's probably gotten some medical results and there's probably a known time that he's out I don't
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have that information but without tink terry grandville's not better than miskegon so how do you
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rank grandville this is what I wish I would have been able to ask you last week how do you
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rank grandville now I mean I just think uh man if there's one team that can continue to survive and win
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uh because of the offense that they run I think it's grandville obviously without tink terry I
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I think you got a factor in injuries a little bit here just because we'll be in honest with
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ourselves I mean they're a different team with I mean they're really are but not only is he great
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at running the ball he's great block too and he plays well on defense too so I think you know
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I think they do slide a little bit but again I mean what it got two losses one to cast tech
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one to a really good rock for a team right I like him and that's seven rates a lot
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all right so I'll have grandville seven Cal essential eight then excuse me I'm gonna go
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all right so help me out with eight nine ten I know what three teams I'm gonna have eight nine
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ten what order do they belong so it's going to be Byron Center Grand Rapids Catholic Central
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and East Grand Rapids are those the right three you said West Catholic
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I don't know West Catholic I mean they're really good football right now I mean they're five or one
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you know they're I just think they're doing a great job but I do I do like the I mean the Byron
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Center I think Byron Center is really good team I mean obviously played a really tough schedule
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to be getting but I think they're a really good team Byron Center's losses are the teams I have ranked
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one three and four yeah Byron Center's next so Byron Center eight and then I have to go
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Cal essential nine so then it becomes ten East Grand Rapids or West Catholic or Ken O'Hills this
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Ken O'Hills back in the conversation they clearly rebounded from that beating by Harper Creek
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and they put 49 at low just because I know how good East Grand Rapids is on defense I think you
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have to honorable mentions will be West Catholic and Ken O'Hills Ken O'Hills so who's the biggest
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step here so this is where it gets interesting like am I am I ranking Luttington and if I were
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where would they fit am I ranking Big Rapids and if I am where would they fit am I ranking Portland
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because I've I've opened this cano worms because I've brought quarter central in my top time
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and if I'm being honest like I'm not I know Brett's not here to talk about this
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Brett put quarter central in his top 10 so that's why I'm just following Sue and I'm trying to
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have some congruency here so I brought quarter central but does that mean now I got to consider
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Portland Big Rapids and Luttington I think it does they're all undefeated and where do they fit
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that's tough man I mean obviously look at Luttington's wins in the talent they have on the team
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Luttington is pretty good man I think Luttington is the best of those I mean I have all Portland
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yeah I think Portland is really good yeah you look at I think Portland I got to pull up Portland's
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record or Portland schedule so Luttington's resume is really good because they put it on Cooper's
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fill in week one 40 to 13 Cooper's was one three in a row are we watching this and they have
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Kennelly Hills this week that's Bayward Cooper's will start to play really good and they beat Oak Ridge
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and they've given Oak Ridge only lost and they need to beat Oak Ridge they beat him 52 to nothing
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right so I'm not I'm not against you when I say that like I agree that Luttington but boy I just
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know Portland I know John Navarra I know some of the guys in that coaching staff like Portland's
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they're really good yeah this is why division four is going to be so much fun yeah that's going to
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sex and bull down this year they beat all of that 35 now and I don't think all of that's as good as
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they've been either they beat Lakewood 35 now they beat Lansing all right so they have
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that really beat a team that's really good this year yeah because Lansing Calix down all of
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that's a little down sex and the little down country days probably their best win at 36 they've
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even rapids this week rapids is not good then they have Charlotte Charlotte is four and two
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and then Whitehall I take that back in all of that I'll eventually lost his deportment yeah that's
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really good when it wasn't close and then Portland finishes that Whitehall I still like Luttington
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so it's Luttington but East Grand Rapids is still ahead of them right for sure yeah we're okay
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conference bias but it's just been proven it's tried and true watching the playoffs when okay
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conference teams play not okay conference teams watching but we're gonna get we're gonna get
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blood probably Luttington big rapids first and then we're gonna get Luttington unity Christian
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after that right see what happens yeah we'll see what happens you gotta love it does happen you
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gotta love it so that's our top 10 take me quick through this week of practice for you guys you're
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playing out of a hills no offense they haven't won a game this year right and you're coming off
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two tough losses in a row what's this week like you know I think we got we get just challenge ourselves
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you know physically right we got we got to become a more physical football team I think we put
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the emphasis on ourselves maybe make sure we're taping practice and watching practice and trying to
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get better at ourselves I mean I don't know how hills obviously you know they they've got some
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things that they do well and obviously we're gonna have to address that but I think we got to take
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a deep dive and look how good our week we become more physical because we got to become more physical
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football team all right here's a question that you probably don't want to hear and I don't know you
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probably don't pay any attention to this but you got out of a hills this week where you'll be a
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favorite and then you'll have calis central week eight where you'll be an underdog so if those
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play out like they are on paper you'd be five and three going into the north of the four so
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snoring thing week nine I think you might be a little bit of a favorite I don't know that might be
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a pick in the game let's just say do you do you do you if you thought about do you look at like
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it's five and four get you in the play not only five and four gets us in the playoffs we're gonna
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have to win I think we got to win to our next three again I mean that's mentality that we're
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taking for sure and I think though I think the worst part about that is and correct me if I'm wrong
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it's because you played West cally can we go which is division five school but they're really good
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like you know I mean like that's a good yeah I mean I honestly think I think we've played a
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bunch of really good football teams on our schedule I'm really good you know and I think you know
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maybe we'll go back and look at that but I just think that we played a lot of really good football
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teams and you know we've challenged ourselves and you know we'll we'll see how the cards play out
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but you know we feel like we got to win two of the next three for sure all right good stuff kind of