Episode 0: Little League Expulsion

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spk_0 Welcome to definitely the very first attempt at recording episode zero made the force live long in prosper. I'm Dietrich Stagner. I'm Kate Paige and this is our very first episode of this podcast where we are going to be watching start it. I'm good at this. Listen to professional.

spk_0 You're a professional.

spk_0 I am. It's good. Yeah, it's going to be welcome to our podcast. Welcome to the force. I don't even know what I'm doing now. This is.

spk_0 Welcome to May the force live long in prosper.

spk_0 In this podcast, we're we're going to be watching Star Trek Deep Space Nine and Star Wars the Clone Wars. Yes.

spk_0 And we wanted to do this episode zero, which is clearly going off without a hitch whatsoever. It's going great.

spk_0 It's probably you know, it's bumpy, probably because we this is definitely the first time we've done this. We're not going to admit to what exactly how badly our first attempt went on this and whose fault it definitely was, but you know, it's all good. That was a dress rehearsal. Right.

spk_0 They're very important in the show business from what I really are. So we wanted to do an episode zero where he talks a little bit about the idea for this podcast exactly what we're going to be doing with it and a little bit about where we're coming from from these two properties.

spk_0 So yes, we are going to be watching Star Trek Deep Space Nine, which Kate has never seen. And then on alternating weeks, we're going to watch Star Wars the Clone Wars animated series, which Dieter has never seen.

spk_0 And we're going to kind of break it down. We're going to talk about it on the weeks that we do Star Wars of Clone Wars. I will provide a recap while Kate provides lovely commentary on exactly my interpretation of the show. And then correct. Yes.

spk_0 We, you know, this is a very weird idea that we came up with a little over a month ago. Yeah, it was a joke the first time we said it. And then I don't think either of us could stop thinking about it.

spk_0 No, the minute like the idea kind of like, you know, became an actual thought. I was like, oh, well, eventually we're definitely going to do this because it's just too perfect.

spk_0 It's very weird. It's very weird.

spk_0 But I feel like we're providing a service. You know, there's not there's definitely not enough Star Wars podcasts out there.

spk_0 And I mean, I can't think of a single Star Trek one. So I mean jokes aside, there are not a lot of Star Wars Star Trek podcasts that consistently talk about both.

spk_0 Yeah, honestly, you know, one of our friends made a ask to question earlier today of is this the Star Trek versus Star Wars podcast.

spk_0 And I think one of the advantages to this is no, that is not there are there have been lots of discussions of contrasting those two.

spk_0 But this is more we are both people who really, really love these franchises. Each of us loves one of them a little bit more than the other has a little bit more experience.

spk_0 And we want to celebrate them both. This is not going to be one is better than the other. In fact, I think one of the things we're really going to dig into is these are so wildly different.

spk_0 Wildly different, but that's the reason that they're both so great. And so yeah, this is it's not about like us versus them conversation. It is definitely it's all about the love you guys.

spk_0 And we clearly picked the most popular shows in each franchise to really kick off with. Why do we talk a little bit about how we met.

spk_0 Yes, let's do that.

spk_0 So a few years ago I was starting working on publishing my first book and as all the hip kids do I started a TikTok account because that's where you go to market books.

spk_0 So I started TikTok account. I think I've been on TikTok maybe six months, maybe closer to a year. What is time? It's an illusion friends.

spk_0 But I had been on TikTok for a little while. I was marketing. I was getting ready to publish. I was building out of community. That's a very important part. I think of any venture in my opinion, especially the publishing.

spk_0 So I was building out of community. I was trying to make friends and who lo and behold a video comes across my FYP of Dietrich Stogner talking about his own similar journeys to publishing his book.

spk_0 And I decided I liked his vibe and we were going to be friends whether he liked it or not.

spk_0 Yeah, I mean, it is very similar. I had been working on this series for a while and I was getting ready to publish the first book in the series and a friend of mine specifically said, hey, you need to get on TikTok. And I did not want to do it.

spk_0 I was very, very opposed to the idea because there was no way that I could build any kind of significant audience on a video platform. That clearly was never going to happen. And this guy.

spk_0 But I distinctly remember you were one of the first people to come into my comments, start talking to me, encouraging me to keep going. You were one of the first people to actually make me feel like there was somebody out there gave a crap what I was doing on here. And you and I became friends.

spk_0 We ended up with this group of other writers that we're now very, very close with. But one of the things I figured out very early on is you started posting some videos specifically. I believe it was one of your advent calendar videos.

spk_0 It probably was I've been doing this. I've those are like one of my consistent TikTok things is I always do advent calendars. I always do the Star Wars Lego advent calendar.

spk_0 Yes, that was the one. And you and I started talking about Star Wars. And I think that's always an interesting conversation, especially with somebody you don't know quite well yet because all too often you talked to someone about Star Wars or Star Trek. And you realize they've got opinions and those opinions are unyielding.

spk_0 Yeah, yeah, usually Star Wars and Star Trek fans have opinions that are strong and deep and it is impossible to move them.

spk_0 But I mean, I will say one of the things that made me excited to talk to you about it. We did start talking a lot about it. We would talk about trailers when they came out and new properties and things like that.

spk_0 Is I realize very quickly both you and I have a deep, deep love for these franchises. Well also acknowledging that they can occasionally be incredibly dumb. Just so dumb. And that's part of the joy involved in it. And yeah, I think immediately that we started talking about a lot.

spk_0 And then I think honestly, I think what really tip this over is a about six months or so ago, we were both watching through how I met your mother.

spk_0 Yes, we were both like not on purpose. We had both randomly separately decided to do how I met your mother rewatched because I felt an itch I wanted to rewatch it and you had felt a similar itch. So we rewatched it. And then we decided to do a TikTok live with very specific rules.

spk_0 Very weird rules where we had like rankings and favorite guest stars and stuff like that. And I had a blast doing that. It was so much fun.

spk_0 Favorite running jokes. That was a great one.

spk_0 And again, I think that's a great example of a show that we both had very mixed and complex feelings on. But I think it was even more fun to talk about it because of that.

spk_0 Yes. And then last month I decided to dig into a show that my wife and daughter deeply loved the Gilmore girls. And I found out very quickly Kate little bit of a fan.

spk_0 I've seen it a time or two thousand.

spk_0 And I started on reviews of each season. But Kate and I decided we wanted to do a live at the end of each season. And I genuinely don't think either of us were prepared for the response that we got for that.

spk_0 Man, you think Star Wars fans have opinions. Talk to a girl more girls fan.

spk_0 Having those conversations with that audience with those people hopping in asking us questions feeding into it online yards.

spk_0 It's some of the most fun I've had in the last few months. Like it was legitimately something that we look forward to.

spk_0 We had one we had one season that we were getting ready to do the live for in both Kate and I had just lousy days. And I remember we were both like we were both like testing that like.

spk_0 I mean, if you don't want to do and then we both came to the realization like no, this is the only thing we've been looking forward to. This is what we need.

spk_0 It's still needed to happen like we just needed to like when you don't want to go to a party. But then you get to the party and you have a great time.

spk_0 You're like, oh, I'm glad I went to that party. That that was that day.

spk_0

spk_0 And I think the Gilmore girls conversations are what really kind of convinced us that no, this is something this was this weird idea we had is something we wanted to do.

spk_0 So again, I think it goes back to the fact that not only do we love talking about storytelling.

spk_0 We love talking about storytelling where like opinions are not always glowing or opinions are not always negative. Like there's there's good and bad.

spk_0 And there's so much fun conversation to be had in those moments. So I think that's one of the things that really sealed it for me. I'm like, oh, we can really have a good time talking about the good and bad about both of these things.

spk_0 So I want to kind of talk a little bit about why we are excited to talk about these franchises and why we specifically picked these shows from the franchises.

spk_0 So why don't you go ahead and share a little bit about your background with Star Wars and why you wanted to do the Clone Wars.

spk_0 Okay. So much like many millennial child. I was I was a latchkey kid first of all. That part's important. But my parents very much did not stop me from watching any and all things.

spk_0 It was just one of those houses. I don't think it's because they were like some altruistic like we're going to like expose her to art.

spk_0 They just very much were like, you want to watch the Simpson's you want to watch Davis and but you want to watch the Chuck E. doll movies. Okay.

spk_0 Like just it just wasn't something that they like fredded over too much. And I think that was very common for a lot of parents of my generation.

spk_0 So I saw Star Wars. I believe I was 10 when my dad showed me Star Wars. I don't think he did it again like because he was trying to win still something in me.

spk_0 I just thought he's like, here's this cool movie. I saw in the 70s. You should watch it. It's awesome. And little did he know that something would awaken inside my little tenure.

spk_0 Like it's like it's like it was at a pivotal moment. So I loved it. I was obsessed. I watched it a lot on repeat. I loved Princess Leia. I loved Han Solo. I thought Luke was really cool.

spk_0 And then I never watched any other Star Wars things for about two years. Like I didn't like no one told my dad didn't tell me there were two more. Like I didn't know Google wasn't a thing yet. So don't come at me. Okay. I'm old. So Google didn't exist yet when I was 10.

spk_0 So I didn't know there were two more because no one told me. And then when I was 12, the Phantom Menace came out the next cannon event. How was that for you? It's so dumb. It's also about trade federations.

spk_0 It is a very strange movie. It's such a strange movie. But also I love it. I will. And we'll get to that with time of clenewars. But I will I will die on the hill that the prequels are fantastic. I love them. I have no shame in saying that out loud.

spk_0 And I mean, I was you and McGregor and his terrible haircut, Natalie Portman and those beautiful costumes, the weird merch. The way I had my mother buying me Pepsi can after Pepsi can after Pepsi can the Jar Jar Binks tongue lollipop.

spk_0 Remember that holy crap. I just I'm still looking for what if I could find one that wasn't like completely melted and disintegrated away. Let me tell you I'd buy it so fast.

spk_0 The lightsaber spoons that came in frosted flakes. Oh my gosh. I had I had it all I was obsessed and like from there. It just it ballooned out and like forgot it like my poor parents. They're like, what have we done. And then but the Clone Wars specifically is really it's one of my favorite pieces of Star Wars anything.

spk_0 And it's really important to me because it was the first time that we had a female Jedi as one of the main characters there had been like female Jedi like in the comic books and the books and like in the background is background characters.

spk_0 But there had never been one, you know, with a speaking role who was you know forward facing to the audience and was part of the narrative and a meaningful way. And in the Clone Wars cartoons. We had a so Katana and from the minute I met her.

spk_0 I was like, that's my girl. That's it. She's my girl. I love her. I love everything about her. And I didn't know it then. But the journey that she goes on as a character. It has become so meaningful and so important. It's just again. It's just such an important part of the Star Wars canon now stretched over the Clone Wars. And then she got to be in rebels. And then we got to meet her again in live action. And just the journey that she has gone on through all of those things.

spk_0 And that it's again that it's a female Jedi. It was it's just something that's really precious to me. And I hold it really close to my heart because again. It's not something that I had growing up when I was growing up when we played Star Wars like I had to be Princess Leia.

spk_0 We you know, we didn't I didn't have a female Jedi to be when we played Star Wars. And so like getting it now and then getting to see again that growing to more for Star Wars was really important to me. And we tell you all the fans were really cool about it.

spk_0 Super super chill about a female Jedi being an so chill about a female Jedi so much so when Ray showed up. No one even cared. Yeah, they're like we've already done this Twitter didn't even mention that I'm pretty sure no no one cared. It wasn't.

spk_0 I think one of the things that's funny is that the beginning of this is very, very different because you talked about how you were you watch quite a bit of TV going out. So my parents were not big on TV.

spk_0 They actually restricted pretty heavily what we couldn't couldn't watch CNN was off and on in the house. You know, because that was a bit laugh right. Oh yeah, there is.

spk_0 When Star Trek the next generation started my parents decided, okay, this is this is something that we're good with him watching and I completely get why it's you know a bunch of smart nerds actually being ethical all the time. And so you know, of course it seems like good stuff. And I ate it up with a spoon.

spk_0 I remember watching through every season one of my foundational memories is laying on this weird tan carpet in military housing like five feet from the TV because that was as close as I could get it without my mom telling me it was going to burn my eyes out watching Riker stare into the screen and order them to fire at the end of best of both worlds. And then it ended and realizing I had to wait five months to find out what what would happen.

spk_0 What a different time for television. Oh, it's and you know, we're going to we're going to talk about that because with both of these shows, I think that that's a huge factor.

spk_0 And it was something foundational to me. I will say that the first episode of this show that gets a thousand downloads. I will post to social media, a photograph of 11 year old Dietrich in his Wesley Crusher uniform.

spk_0 So I don't ask for a lot from the internet. I want to I really don't okay internet. I don't ask you for a lot. I'm asking you for this.

spk_0 All right, listen to us. Yap about these silly shows. Please so that we can have this gift. I beg of you. Please.

spk_0 I loved it. I read Star Trek novels. I actually got kicked out of a little league. Well, actually I kicked out of little league for reading a Star Trek novel in right field when I was supposed to be playing.

spk_0 That's so cute and so on brand. My argument was they weren't ever hitting to me anyway. Come on. Like what am I doing? And it was Peter David Stregzone. It's a great book. And yeah, I still remember that book.

spk_0 But when around the fifth season they announced that they were doing another Star Trek series. And I was so excited. And it was deep space nine. And I watched the first four episodes and bounce off pretty hard. It wasn't mine.

spk_0 And we'll talk a little bit more, especially when we watched the pilot, MSAry, about one of some of the reasons that I did bounce off really hard. And I didn't really revisit it for a while. And then after I joined the Navy, I was in the Navy.

spk_0 And I got a DVD set of it as a gift from someone. And I started watching through it. And I absolutely tumbled down the rabbit hole.

spk_0 Deep Space Nine became if that's an iteration was the Star Trek that I love deep space nine became the Star Trek that actually challenged the way I thought about storytelling the way I thought about what this show could be and push back against a lot of the assumptions I made.

spk_0 And I think it did that for a lot of people. And it's why some people really don't like the show. And it's why some people will swear up down left right in and out that it is the best Star Trek show that was ever made.

spk_0 It had the first black cap and which very similar to the first female Jedi. No issues whatsoever.

spk_0 Oh, I'm sure I'm sure everyone was so cool about it.

spk_0 I will say that he did have an advantage in that the internet was not a big thing at the time.

spk_0 So, you know, we didn't really get to see the backlash as much. But, uh, yeah, it was what a time what a time.

spk_0 And the other element I liked about it. And I love next generation. I really do. But for a long stretch of that show, it was effectively Patrick Stewart show.

spk_0 And these day players, you know, the rest of the cast was good. And they were fun. And I liked them and all that.

spk_0 You know, you had this Titan with Patrick Stewart who was just this thunderous Shakespearean actor.

spk_0 So just hold in everything.

spk_0 Yeah. And then you had the rest of the show and they'd have good moments and they'd have stumbling moments deep safe sign was such a brilliant ensemble cast with so many actors.

spk_0 And I mean, you have none of us. You have Avery Brooks have Adra Robinson. You have so many people who came in that just put in heartbreaking performances.

spk_0 And then the other thing start track has always been a show that liked to do parallels of things from history.

spk_0 And we'll talk a bit more about that. But it was always very clumsy. You know, you had I always remember the original series episode where they get to a planet.

spk_0 And half of the population is black on one side of their face and half is white on the other. And the other half is black on the other side of their face and why on the other. And it's do you get it racism?

spk_0 And all that. And DS9 is the first one that first of all tackles some really, really nasty nasty topics that are very uncomfortable and don't offer easy answers.

spk_0 I think that's the biggest thing that came away from and in addition, I think it did so in a much more subtle way that works much much better. So.

spk_0 And then when Kate and I started talking and you know, I talked and you watch next generation you love next generation you watch.

spk_0 I love it. Yeah, that's that's so my my history with Star Trek is a little different than Star Wars. It's so funny because my father's favorite.

spk_0 Like I don't put my like you know, I don't think of my dad is in fandoms. But if I had to it's Star Trek. He loves it. He eats and he breathes it.

spk_0 He read the books he watched all the shows and we had like we were allowed to watch whatever he wanted, but we had fairly like regimented like bedtimes and things like that.

spk_0 But I remember my dad will let me stay up late and watch next generation with him.

spk_0 So I think maybe that was like his goal, but it didn't stand. He probably look he probably looks I mean he's like you missed.

spk_0 You know, it's like you're supposed to go to the left, but I did I loved it some of the episodes. I thought were hilarious other episodes scared the crap out of me.

spk_0 Oh yeah, I mean, I remember like not being able to sleep certain nights my mom would be like would hear my mom in the kitchen yelling away. I'm like, I can't believe you let her watch this. She's not going to sleep away.

spk_0 I even I bet I even know the episode you're talking about too. Like everyone's around next generation went like splatter punk in a very, very fun way and it was great.

spk_0 Yeah, I go back to watch those now and they're blast.

spk_0 There's so much fun. And then of course I course watch Picard because yeah, so that's that's really my only experience. The Star Trek. I like Star Trek.

spk_0 I have nothing against Star Trek. I am not one of those Star Wars fans that kind of like shakes my fist as Star Trek. I don't in any way. I think Star Trek is fantastic.

spk_0 It's just my experience with it is quite small. And I've never sought any of it any of the extras out.

spk_0 Yeah, and my experience with Star Wars is kind of the inverse of that. I love to the original movies. I think the original trilogy is iconic. I think you can do papers on Empire Strikes Back.

spk_0 Oh, it's so good. My God.

spk_0 I saw the now I saw the prequel in theaters and I thought it was okay. I didn't get the vitriolic anger against it that a lot of people seem to have.

spk_0 But that was pretty much it. And definitely had never watched the Clone Wars. And part of that is. And I think this was related to my parents not having me watch a lot of TV.

spk_0 I have only recently begun to explore animation as a medium.

spk_0 And so this was something I was really interested because I have been watching more animation recently. And you and I talked a little bit about that.

spk_0 So yeah, there's been a really growing love in the US, especially for adult animation. It's always kind of been this thing. Obviously anime.

spk_0 Those types of things have always been very popular with a very, very niche. And then of course there's like the Simpsons and like the U.S. and Butt Ed and King of the Held. Those things like that where it's like adult humor in animation.

spk_0 But again, very niche, right? I think only now in the past two years, there's been a change. You think blue things like Blue Eyes Samurai has been hotel arcane.

spk_0 K-pop demon hunters, all these things that are popping up and you're seeing that adults are embracing them just as much as kids sometimes even more. And I think that that's so great because I always loved animation.

spk_0 Again, a stems from a child have been allowed to consume everything in front of me. But I've always loved animation studio Ghibli. I watched a lot of anime growing up. I was a tsunami kid. I was watching poorly dubbed episodes of Sailor Moon and Dragon Ball Z.

spk_0 I loved the like no shame. Love it. I love everything about Dragon Ball Z. Love that like we would just be standing there for 30 minutes with the characters screaming and holding their hands out.

spk_0 And that was the episode. I loved all of it. Gobbled it up with the spoon up. So I'm loving that this is new new embrace for animation because I do know that that is a lot of big lead for a lot of Star Wars fans. And that's why.

spk_0 Especially things like the Clone Wars and Rebels and Bad Batch are not nearly as embraced as things like the Mandalorian or Andor because even my Eric, my husband, he's never seen of the animated stuff.

spk_0 But he sat down and watched Asoka with me the live action show and he was very confused because it's basically a sequel to Rebels and he'd never watched Rebels.

spk_0 So I do think that that's it's not your common for Star Wars fans to be like, yeah, I love Star Wars, but I'm not watching a Cartel.

spk_0 Yeah. So we're not going to talk about it until our episode one, but I have watched now the Clone Wars movie. So I have, I have thoughts.

spk_0 I've watched the like the best better program face than Kate. You watched it.

spk_0 In the past week and a half, I have watched it three times.

spk_0 Yeah. But I think the next thing I wanted to kind of bring up is I want to know what you are most concerned about with me watching the show as someone who's never seen it before.

spk_0 And I want to know what you're most excited about.

spk_0 I'm concerned about the animation style. It is clunky. It is a product of its time. 2008 was definitely the time of like CGI animation was like,

spk_0 like really coming into its own people were really loving it. It's quite clunky. So I am concerned about about the I like the feel of your eye on it.

spk_0 I do think you'll be able to get over it fairly quickly once you're used to it. But I am concerned about that. That is usually people's biggest issue with it at first. It's like this animation's trash.

spk_0 The fun part about having this conversation now is that I've watched the movie and I have a much better poker face than Kate does.

spk_0 So I have no poker face. We should tell she does not. But yeah, go on. Go on. Go on. I mean, other than that, I mean, I'm not concerned so much because I'm just so excited.

spk_0 I think part of me would say I'm concerned about how stupid it can get but you as a lover of when things get kind of stupid.

spk_0 I'm not really concerned for you to see how stupid Star Wars can get star wars can get fairly goofy. And that's one of the reasons I love Star Wars.

spk_0 I love I love what it's serious and poignant and making these beautiful, you know, take these beautiful moments about war and rebellion.

spk_0 But I also love when it gets rolled off and I think you do too. So I'm not really concerned about that. So yeah, so I think I think that part's going to I'm excited for some very specific things.

spk_0 I'm excited for you to see the lightsaber battles because some of the best lightsaber things happen and animation just it's phenomenal. I also I'm so excited for you to meet all the clones.

spk_0 Well, they're all exactly the same right? No poker face. I'm excited for you to meet them. I'm excited to have conversations about the clones because the clones in attack of the world.

spk_0 The clones, the film are really just they could basically be droids right the faceless their name list. So I'm excited for you to meet all the different clones and get to know them and love them.

spk_0 And I'm excited for you to meet a soka and see how she grows and changes over the seven seasons of the show. I'm very excited about that.

spk_0 I love love her so much. I'm so excited for you because again, like her journey is so the places it goes. I don't think anyone really saw it coming the journey that she goes on.

spk_0 I'm just I'm so excited for you to see it from the beginning. Like I can't wait for you to see that.

spk_0 You know, I honestly think one of the things that made me excited about this show is that this is really kind of you and I creating circumstance where the other person gets to do the thing that all of us.

spk_0 I think which we could do with the shows that we really love, which is experience them on the for the first time again.

spk_0 And I think it's one of the reasons that we all get so excited when we hear that somebody's watching something that we deeply love because we get to see it from the outside.

spk_0 And so yeah, I'm going to be going into this for the very first time completely blind. So think I'm worried about with deep space nine.

spk_0 I love Star Trek. I also recognize that Star Trek is very much a creation of its time period in a lot of ways and that it has some remarkably stupid and downright bad episodes.

spk_0 I think DS9 has a much higher hit rate than a lot of the other shows do. But there are going to be some ones that I'm confident I'll get a message from you.

spk_0 What the hell did I just watch? And for the most part, I actually am okay with it. There are a couple episodes that we're going to have some big conversations about like who thought that that was a good idea because it's legitimately offensive.

spk_0 There's one in particular that I am dreading getting to, but I'm also very fascinated to talk to you about like where TV was at that time and why yeah.

spk_0 I do I love those conversations. We touched a little on that with our Gilmore girls lives.

spk_0 And that sometimes certain scenes in certain episodes, you know, if you look at them through a 2025 lens, horrible, awful doesn't fly who thought this was a good idea to put pen to paper and then put put this on film for all to see forever.

spk_0 Like who decided this, but then I think it is an interesting practice and an important study in knowing where we came from and knowing how to look back and say, okay, well, let's look at it through a different lens in a different time period.

spk_0 And I think those conversations are important so that we can know better because you can't do better if you don't know better.

spk_0 So if you don't like look back and say like, oh, wow, that was a bad choice, then you can understand why it was a bad choice if you're not applying those that critical thinking.

spk_0 So I'm actually really excited to see some of those episodes and have those conversations even if they're going to be like you said, like, what did I just watch?

spk_0 Why why is this like like, but I'm excited to have those hard conversations because I think that they are important.

spk_0 What I'm excited about is I it's hard. I'm hard pressed to think we show that it's a better showcase of character than deep space and I there is one in particular you will not you'll meet him in the second episode.

spk_0 But he's very common his name is Garrick and I am I am confident Garrick will were rapidly become one of your favorite characters ever.

spk_0 Like yeah, there's also a lesson Garrick Garrick that listen, I love Garrick. There is also a villain in this show that is portrayed by an Oscar winning actress and is one of the most despicable incredible characters that I've ever seen in television from a villain perspective.

spk_0 I cannot wait to talk to you about this character.

spk_0 I don't know who this actress is. I'm so excited. I have been very very good. I have not Googled or looked into anything.

spk_0 Same here. Like I have not looked up anything involved in Clone Wars. In fact, I let Kate know that I had started watching it and immediately you said, you can't text me like we have to save it for the reason.

spk_0 So this is how much I care about you guys. I want it out there for you. I want you to get the opportunity.

spk_0 And I know that there are going to be certain episodes that I'm going to get the same anger from you where you're like, I cannot believe we have to wait to talk about this.

spk_0 But yeah, I don't know. I'm also excited for because one of the things you and I both really love talking about TV is a medium.

spk_0 The history of it, the way it would hang out. DS9 is a historic show for a lot of what reasons, not least of which it was one of the first prime time shows to truly embrace serialized storytelling in an interesting way.

spk_0 And I think that we're going to have a lot of fun talking about that. And again, it's that that what we mentioned earlier, it's that comparison of what it's like to watch stuff in the streaming era and what it's like to watch stuff outside of it.

spk_0 And one thing I was thinking of, I think that this podcast is actually going to force us to experience it much closer to what it was when it came out. We can't sit and burn through three, four episodes all at once.

spk_0 We have to approach it in a different way.

spk_0 We do have to approach it in that way, which I think is really interesting. The Clone Wars is going to be very interesting.

spk_0 First of all, it was the first time that it was a true television show for Star Wars. There had been the Christmas special.

spk_0 There was some Ewok stuff that was animated there in the eight, I think it was the eighties.

spk_0 But the Clone Wars cartoon really was their first foray into a 30 minute television show for a network.

spk_0 And now we're quite our cup run it over with Star Wars television. It's very different now where they've kind of inundated us with the Mandalorian and book of Boba fan and or an acolyte and you know some to good success and some to not so good success, which we could always talk about it a little.

spk_0 But it was the first time that I think that they allowed them to have this opportunity to kind of expand on the story in a different way.

spk_0 And kind of also kind of play a little bit with like this gap of time. It takes place between a tack of the clones and revenge of the Sith.

spk_0 That was the one piece of information she did give me.

spk_0 I did give to you that piece of information.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 I offered something I needed to know.

spk_0 I offered specific years.

spk_0 Apparently that was too much information.

spk_0 BBY what the hell?

spk_0 BBY stands for before the Battle of Yavin.

spk_0 Yeah, oh listen, we're talking about a we're talking about Star Trek.

spk_0 I'm going to start pulling out some dates and things like that as well.

spk_0 And it's going to get yeah.

spk_0 Yeah, so you got to see Evan and and or that's where that's where the Battle of Yavin will take places is where they were all says up.

spk_0 Anyway, but it was it was the Clone Wars was the first time that we had that opportunity to take that that stretch of time before we've

spk_0 range of the Sith and kind of explore and do some character development for Anakin Obi-Wan and of course we also got to meet a

spk_0 Soka which this is where like and we'll probably talk about this a ton as we go through especially this first season of the Clone Wars.

spk_0 But this is where a lot of the revisionist history does come with the with the prequels you'll hear people now especially talk about how much they love the prequels.

spk_0 And a lot of that isn't thanks to things like the Clone Wars and today Folloni as a creator he he probably was like me he saw the prequels in the theaters and was like this is the greatest thing ever.

spk_0 No notes you were cooking George Lucas we love you and he saw that and he kind of took it and ran with it which again we'll talk more about that later.

spk_0 But I think that's one of the great things about the Clone Wars but Clone Wars is interesting because it started on a network and then it found its way streaming and then it found its way to another stream.

spk_0 So there were times in my life where I watched it week to week and then there were other points in my life with the Clone Wars where I binged it because it was given to me as a binge so the Clone Wars is very interesting and that it's it's kind of lived many lives so it's going to be interesting now to watch you watch it slowly all the way through.

spk_0 Yeah I'm excited to watch that see how it evolves how it transitions and stuff like that I think it's going to be cool so all right I think one last thing that we really wanted to touch on is we kind of wanted to address some of the Disney controversy from the last few weeks.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 Thankfully we are on the other side of that once we were planning the first episode when everything with Jimmy Kimmel went down and Kate and I had some long discussions about whether or not we wanted to continue with this so why don't you talk a little bit about it.

spk_0 Yeah so the Jimmy Kimmel thing happened as we were like finalizing our plans actually like we had actually already planned and scheduled our first recording date.

spk_0 And you know he was taking off the air I was extremely upset by it I don't believe in censorship I think this especially with comedians I think the second you censor comedians then you have a big problem because comedians are wholly unimportant.

spk_0 I believe that's what John John Oliver said comedians are not important the second you start censoring them that's a problem because they're so not important so for me it was a big problem and then it continued to be a big problem on Monday when they dropped the trailer from Mandalorian and Grogo and the hypocrisy was strong and I was extremely irritated because man did they miss the point.

spk_0 I literally the only way they could have bought that more is if this had happened during the last season of and or.

spk_0 Like they literally just won an Emmy for the episode where Monmouth stands in the Senate and says the minute you ignore reality hope is lost like I had never.

spk_0 It was baffling it was baffling I was so confused I was so I was so that being said.

spk_0 This is unfortunately par for the course of loving something that is owned by a big huge company which unfortunately most things are owned by big huge companies I mean listen star track is now owned by skydance media which is owned by a larialis and son not a great got great not great.

spk_0 You and I talked like like you said we talked for a long time and the decision we came to was we were still going to we were still going to move forward I felt comfortable moving forward one because I always say with things like boycotts and protests you you meet them where you can every family is different every house is different.

spk_0 We did what was best at our house for our family and I trust everyone to do the same of what works for you I'm never ever going to tell anybody how how to spend their money or live their lives that is not my place that being said in a very selfish way.

spk_0 Star Wars was mine before it was disney's yeah it was I want to make that clear I've loved Star Wars since I was 10 years old they didn't buy it till 2012 I had it first I called dips and in a cheesy way but also very sincere way talking about Star Wars for me is especially important now in the world we live in it is a story about a rebellion it is a story about fighting back against tyranny I'm never going to stop talking about this silly little show I'm just not I'm just not going to stop talking about these things because I think it's important.

spk_0 Because the messages are important so I feel comfortable moving forward in that regard I never expect anyone to watch along with us if you don't have disney plus anymore if you don't have who knew anymore I get it just listen to Dietrich recap it because he's going to do flawless it's going to be beautiful it's going to be a good

spk_0 good idea with the room with the so Katana right there yeah I mean honestly I think it'll be better than washing the original I'm just putting it out there so sorry Dave Filoni

spk_0 yeah listen Dave you took a good swing at it you took the first crack at it I'm just giving a little layer of polish so I mean if you want to come and debate debate us you can always come on the pod Dave yeah although we have decided that if Dave ever comes on the show he's only going to be able to come on a deep space nine episode he can't talk about Star Wars you want to talk about deep space nine exactly and Ron more yeah you're going to

spk_0 be talking about Star Wars so well I think that's going to do for this first episode so this is just our episodes are introductory one episode one is going to be on clone wars the movie which we're recording very soon very soon and our goal right now is a every other

spk_0 week release schedule we debated doing a little faster than that and we may decide in the future if this is something that fits with our schedule and we like but we wanted to kind of get our feet under us and feel this out so we

spk_0 will announce when we have an email that you can send in questions and things like that but if you want to find either of us we're both on tiktok we're both on Instagram so you can find us there fairly easily and we do have an Instagram for this show don't we

spk_0 we do have an Instagram may the force live long and prosper find us follow us yeah all the stuff

spk_0 you know if if this is something you're interested in leaving a review on iTunes is always going to be incredibly helpful for a new

spk_0 project so yeah absolutely do that so but with that we'll go ahead and bring this one to a close and I'm really excited to get started on this project with you I'm so excited it's going to be so dumb

spk_0 I'm so killed mate alright thank you all everyone and we'll see you all next time.

spk_0 bye everybody see you next time.

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