Self-improvement
CEO of $61 billion company: This ONE thing made me successful
In this episode, Shreed Arama Ramaswamy, CEO of Snowflake, shares his unconventional path to success, emphasizing the importance of stepping outside your comfort zone and embracing calculated risks. H...
CEO of $61 billion company: This ONE thing made me successful
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All right, so we're diving into some career advice today.
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From somebody who's really made it, you know?
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Oh, yeah.
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Shreed Arama Swamy.
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Okay.
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The CEO of Snowflake.
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Snowflake, yeah.
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And his advice is, well, it's a little bit counterintuitive
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to say the least.
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Interesting.
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What's he saying?
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Well, he's basically saying that the path to success isn't
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really about just following your passion.
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Oh, okay.
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It's about kind of pushing yourself beyond
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what you think you're capable of.
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Even if you don't feel totally like 100% qualified.
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So it's about taking risks.
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Yeah.
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And his core advice boils down to this.
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Volunteer for things you might not be ready for.
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Ooh, that's interesting.
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I like that.
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Yeah.
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And it's like, that sounds a little scary.
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Yeah, that is a little, yeah.
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What if you like totally mess up?
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I mean, that's where the idea of calculated risk comes in.
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Right.
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It's not about just blindly jumping into anything.
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Right.
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It's about recognizing that going outside of your comfort
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zone, that's where the real growth happens.
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And even if you don't get it right every time,
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the experience you get and the lessons you learn,
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that's really valuable.
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So it's about embracing that growth mindset.
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Exactly.
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Instead of being like, oh, I can't do that.
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It's, okay, how can I figure this out?
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Yeah, how can I learn how to do this?
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Yeah, exactly.
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But like, how does this actually play out in the real world?
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Well, think about Romas Wamy's own career.
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Okay.
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He started with a PhD in computer science,
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which is a pretty good foundation,
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worked his way up at Google, co-founded this search engine
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called Niva.
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Yeah, I've heard of that.
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And then he landed at Snowflake, but here's the thing.
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He became the CEO of this giant company,
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even though he had never been a CEO before.
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That's a huge leap.
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I mean, going from like a technical background
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to leading a multi-billion dollar company,
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that's, that's Getzy.
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It is, and it highlights the whole game of average's idea.
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Okay.
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Not every single ambitious thing you do
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is going to be a home run.
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Right.
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You're going to have some swings and misses,
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but if you keep stepping up to the plate,
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keep taking those calculated risks,
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some of those swings are going to connect.
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Okay.
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And those successes, they can be massive.
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Okay, I'm starting to get this,
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but it can't just be about blind ambition.
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Oh, absolutely not.
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You have to be able to back it up with something tangible.
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So what did he do?
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Well, you know, he didn't just show up at Snowflake
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and say, hey, I'm the CEO now.
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Right, right.
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When he was trying to get that CEO job,
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he showed that he was ready.
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How do you do that?
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He created this incredibly detailed spreadsheet.
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Oh, okay.
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It outlined his vision for integrating AI
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into everything Snowflake does.
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A spreadsheet.
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I know, right?
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Doesn't sound that visionary,
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but it's not about the spreadsheet itself.
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Okay.
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It's what it represents.
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He didn't just talk about what AI could do.
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He showed them in black and white
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exactly how he planned to make it happen.
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Oh, okay.
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So it's more about like the...
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Thinking behind it.
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He had the thought process, the planning.
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That's strategic thinking.
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That's taking initiative.
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Okay.
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So it's about proving you've really thought things through.
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Yeah.
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You're not just like throwing ideas around.
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Exactly.
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And to really show he was serious,
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he even started holding these weekly war room meetings.
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War room.
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What is that?
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Yeah, basically to demystify AI for all of the employees.
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Okay.
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From marketing to engineering everybody.
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Oh, so he was bringing everybody along.
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Exactly.
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Not just dictating from above.
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Right.
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Now, think about this in your own career.
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Okay.
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What's a big project that you could create a plan for?
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Hmm.
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Maybe a proposal for something new.
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A detailed plan for how you would tackle a tough problem.
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Even a presentation that shows your vision
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for your team, your department.
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So it's about taking that lead.
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Going from, I want to do this to,
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here's exactly how I'd do it.
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Exactly.
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And even if that specific thing doesn't work out,
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you've gotten this great experience
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in strategic thinking, in planning.
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Right.
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Things that'll help you in the future.
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Okay.
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I can see how this volunteer for things
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you're not ready for.
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It could actually work.
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But let's be real.
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Well, taking these kinds of risks can be scary.
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Oh, absolutely.
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And that brings us to something else crucial
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about Ramaswamy's approach.
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Oh.
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Emotional intelligence.
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Oh, okay.
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It's not just about having ambition and taking risks.
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It's about how you deal with those risks.
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Okay.
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How you handle the tough parts, the setbacks
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that inevitably come along.
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So how you handle things when things get rough.
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Right.
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When you're pushing yourself outside your comfort zone,
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you're going to hit some bumps.
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Right.
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That's where self-awareness, adaptability, resilience,
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all of that comes into play.
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So it's not just about having the guts to go for it.
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Right.
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It's about having the emotional smarts
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to deal with whatever happens.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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But a lot of people think EQ is something
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you're born with or you're not.
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So yeah.
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But that's not true at all.
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It's like a muscle.
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Oh, you can train it.
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Okay.
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You wouldn't expect to just run a marathon
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without training for it, right?
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It's the same with emotional intelligence.
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So there are things you can actually do
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to get better at it.
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Absolutely.
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There are specific things.
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Okay.
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I like that.
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One of the simplest but most effective exercises,
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it comes from Christine Cruz-Vigara.
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Okay.
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She's a leading expert in career development.
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Okay.
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She says, pay really close attention
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to people during meetings.
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Okay.
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Watch their body language, how they interact,
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who seems to have the most influence.
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So instead of just zoning out
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or checking emails during meetings,
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I should be actively watching what's going on.
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Right.
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You become a stutter of how people act
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by watching how other people handle social situations.
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Okay.
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You start to understand better what works and what doesn't.
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Okay.
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You pick up on those little cues
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that can make or break a conversation
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and negotiation, even a presentation.
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I see.
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It's like learning a new language.
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Yeah.
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The language of emotional intelligence.
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Exactly.
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The more fluent I am, the better I can communicate,
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connect with and influence others.
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Precisely.
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And that awareness is so valuable
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when you're going for those big opportunities.
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Right.
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It helps you build stronger relationships,
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get your ideas across better,
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and handle tough situations with grace.
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It's like a secret weapon for your career.
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It is.
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So paying attention in meetings
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isn't just about staying awake.
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Right.
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It's about actively building your EQ.
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Okay.
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Now remember, Reed Hoffman,
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the billionaire co-founder of LinkedIn,
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we mentioned earlier.
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When he's thinking about investing in a company,
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he looks for two main things in a CEO.
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Ambition, obviously.
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You've got to have the drive to succeed.
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Absolutely.
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But right alongside ambition,
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he looks for a mix of awareness
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and emotional intelligence.
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Oh, I know.
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He knows those qualities are essential
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for navigating all the complexities of leadership,
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for building a successful company,
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for making a real impact.
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So it's not just about being the smartest person
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in the room or having the best ideas.
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Right.
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It's about having the emotional intelligence
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to actually bring those ideas to life.
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Yeah.
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To inspire others,
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to build something truly meaningful.
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Exactly.
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And that brings us back to you, our listener.
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Okay.
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If you're inspired by Ramaswami's advice,
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if you're ready to go after those ambitious opportunities,
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yeah.
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The first step is to become more aware
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of your own emotional intelligence.
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So I need to figure out,
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where am I at right now?
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Yeah.
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What are my strengths when it comes to EQ
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and what are some things I could get better at?
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Exactly.
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And once you have a clear idea of your own EQ,
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you can start practicing those skills.
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Okay.
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Just like you would train for marathon.
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Right. Right.
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Okay. That makes sense.
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Yeah.
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But I do have to ask,
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how does his time at Google fit into all of this?
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Uh, great question.
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You see, his experience at Google,
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especially his focus on developing those advertising products.
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Yeah.
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That laid the groundwork for his entrepreneurial journey
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with Niva.
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So his time at Google wasn't just a job.
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It was like a training ground for his future stuff.
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You got it.
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He was learning the ins and outs of the industry,
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seeing what could be improved,
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maybe even planting those seeds for his own company.
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And that's a valuable lesson right there.
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Sometimes the best way to prepare
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for starting your own company
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is to get experience in an existing one.
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Even if it's a company you eventually want to like compete with.
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Exactly.
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It's about absorbing knowledge,
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building your network,
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spotting those opportunities that others miss.
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And in his case,
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he was clearly paying attention
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to how the search engine world was changing
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and seeing the potential to disrupt things.
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So while he was climbing that corporate ladder at Google,
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he was also setting the stage for Niva.
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Yeah.
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That shows his forward thinking mindset
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and that he's not afraid to challenge how things are done.
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Okay.
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So we see how his time at Google was important.
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But what about actually launching a startup?
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What can we learn from Niva?
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Well, one of the biggest hurdles for any startup
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is getting funding.
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Right.
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You have to convince investors that your idea is not only new,
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but that it can actually make money.
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And that can be tough,
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especially when you're going up against giants like, you know, Google.
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Yeah, that's a tough one.
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So it's not enough to just have a great idea.
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You have to be able to sell it
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to really explain your vision
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and show that you have the experience
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and the know how to make it a reality.
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So it's about credibility,
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showing you know what you're doing.
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Exactly.
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And for Ramoswami,
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his track record at Google,
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his deep understanding of search engines
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and his clear vision for Niva,
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that all helped him get funding.
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So it's about building trust and making a strong case.
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Right.
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And beyond money,
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startups face a ton of other challenges,
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building a team,
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developing a product,
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figuring out the competition,
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and going head to head with Google
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is no walk in the park.
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No, that sounds like a real David versus Goliath situation.
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It is.
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What did Niva do?
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They focused on being different.
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Okay.
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They used AI to create a search experience
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that was more personal and more focused on privacy.
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So they were tapping into that growing concern
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about data privacy.
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Exactly.
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They were offering an alternative
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that matched what people were starting to care about.
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Right.
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And they had to be super smart with their marketing.
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Okay.
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Figuring out how to reach the right people
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and stand out in a crowded market.
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So it wasn't just about the product.
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It was about the whole brand, the story,
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connecting with people on a deeper level.
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You got it.
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And while Niva didn't become as big as Google,
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they did make some serious progress.
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Okay.
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They pushed the limits of search engine technology
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and gave people a real alternative.
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So in a way,
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that's a kind of success in itself.
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It is.
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It's about pushing boundaries, being innovative,
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making your mark,
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even if you don't topple the giants.
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Right.
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And it's also a reminder that the entrepreneurial journey,
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it's rarely a straight line.
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Okay.
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There's going to be twists and turns, setbacks and wins.
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And sometimes what looks like a failure
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can actually open up new unexpected doors.
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You're like Niva being bought by Snowflake,
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which is what led to Rama Swamy becoming their CEO.
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Exactly.
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It's about recognizing that every experience,
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every challenge, every success, every failure even,
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all of that helps us grow and shapes our path.
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So it's not about avoiding failure.
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It's about learning from it.
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Yes.
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Adapting and using those lessons to keep moving forward.
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You got it.
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And that brings up a really important question
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for you, our listener.
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Okay.
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Think about your own career goals.
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Are you drawn to the challenges and rewards
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of entrepreneurship?
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Okay.
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Or do you see yourself taking a more traditional path?
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Okay.
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And if you're leaning towards entrepreneurship,
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what are some key takeaways you can get
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from Rama Swamy's experience?
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Right.
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What can you do today to start building your knowledge,
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expanding your network,
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and developing those essential entrepreneurial skills?
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Remember, the journey starts now,
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not someday in the future.
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Right.
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Right now.
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And with the right mindset, the right prep,
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and a good amount of ambition, who knows?
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Maybe you'll be the next treat Harama Swamy.
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Okay.
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Slow down, slow down.
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Before we get to ahead of ourselves.
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Yeah.
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Let's just take a step back, make sure we've got all this.
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Sounds good.
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Yeah.
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It's easy to get swept up in all the excitement.
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Right.
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So for our listener, let's recap the key things
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about Rama Swamy's journey.
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From Google to Niva and beyond.
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Okay.
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First and foremost, his time at Google was really formative.
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Okay.
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It exposed him to all this cutting edge technology
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that culture of innovation and the inner workings
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of a company that was changing the digital landscape.
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And those experiences gave him the knowledge,
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the skills, and the connections he needed
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to launch his own thing later on.
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Exactly.
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It's a valuable lesson for anyone thinking
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about becoming an entrepreneur.
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Sometimes the best prep is to get experience
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in an existing company.
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Even if you eventually want to compete with them.
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Yeah.
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And then when it comes to actually launching a startup,
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it's not just about having a brilliant idea.
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It's about being able to explain that idea
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in a way that convinces people,
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getting the money, building a great team,
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and navigating that ever-changing competitive landscape.
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And it's also about realizing that
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not every entrepreneurial journey
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leads to a billion dollar exit.
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True.
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Sometimes successes about the impact you make,
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the lessons you learn,
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and the groundwork you lay for future endeavors.
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And in his case,
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Niva getting acquired by Snowflake
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and him becoming their CEO,
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it shows that even ventures that don't initially dominate
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the market can still make a difference
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and open doors to new possibilities.
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It's a reminder that being an entrepreneur
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is rarely a straight line.
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There's gonna be ups and downs, setbacks, and triumphs.
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The important thing is to keep learning, keep adapting,
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and keep trying to create something meaningful.
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And that brings us back to you, our listener.
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If you're inspired by his stories,
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start thinking about your own career goals.
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Yeah.
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Do you see yourself going down a more traditional path?
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Or are you drawn to the challenges of entrepreneurship?
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And if you're thinking about entrepreneurship,
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what are some key things you can take away
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from his experience?
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Yeah, what are some steps you can take today
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to start building your knowledge, expanding your network,
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developing those crucial entrepreneurial skills?
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Remember, it starts now, not someday.
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And with the right attitude, the right prep,
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and a good amount of ambition,
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you might just find yourself creating innovative solutions
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and making a real impact on the world.
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Okay, now let's switch gears a little bit
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and focus on something that's been a recurring theme
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throughout Rema Swami's journey.
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What's that?
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Artificial intelligence.
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Ah, yes, perfect timing.
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Yeah.
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AI played a big role in both Niva and Snowflake.
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Absolutely.
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It's a common thread that connects his experiences
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and really shows his forward thinking approach.
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Right.
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So let's dig into this AI angle
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and see what we can uncover.
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Okay, let's do it.
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So we know Rema Swami co-founded Niva.
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Yes.
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An AI-powered search engine that wanted to take on Google.
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Yeah, very bold move.
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It was, considering how massive Google is.
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But what exactly does AI-powered even mean in this context?
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Right.
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How did Niva use AI to set itself apart?
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Yeah.
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Well, they used it in a few key ways.
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First, they used AI to personalize those search results.
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Okay.
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Tailoring them to each user's preferences and search history.
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So instead of getting the same generic results
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as everyone else, you'd get results that are more relevant to you.
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Exactly.
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To your specific needs and interests.
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And second, they used AI to weed out all that irrelevant
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or low quality content.
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Oh, okay.
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Making sure that users were only seeing
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the most trustworthy sources of info.
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That's really important, especially these days,
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when we're bombarded with info from every direction.
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Yeah.
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Having a search engine that can help us cut through all that noise
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and find what we need is incredibly valuable.
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Absolutely.
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And third, Niva used AI to beef up their privacy protection.
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Okay.
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Remember, this was when concerns about data privacy
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were really starting to grow.
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So Niva was responding to what people wanted.
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More control over their data.
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Right.
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They were offering a privacy-focused alternative
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to the traditional search engine model.
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Okay.
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I see.
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And this focus on AI and privacy,
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that played a big role in Niva getting acquired by Snowflake.
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It did.
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Hold on.
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How did an AI search engine end up being bought
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by a cloud computing company?
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What's the connection there?
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Well, you got to remember, Snowflake isn't just any cloud company.
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They're a leader in data warehousing and data analytics.
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Okay.
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Break that down for me.
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What's data warehousing and analytics?
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And how does it connect to AI?
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Sure.
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Data warehousing is basically collecting
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and storing tons of data from different places
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in one central spot.
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Okay.
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And data analytics is about taking that data
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and analyzing it to get meaningful insights,
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see patterns, and make better decisions.
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So it's turning raw data into something useful.
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Exactly.
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Actionable intelligence.
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And AI is a huge part of this.
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Okay.
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AI algorithms can analyze massive data sets way faster than humans,
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finding patterns and insights we'd never see on our own.
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Okay.
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I see the connection now.
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Snowflake with their expertise in data
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saw the potential in Niva's AI
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and how they could use it in their own platform.
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You got it.
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And Ramaswami's expertise in AI made him a valuable asset
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to Snowflake, which led to him becoming SVP of AI
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and then eventually CEO.
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So his journey really highlights how AI is becoming
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more and more important across industries.
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Oh, absolutely.
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From search engines to cloud computing to data analytics.
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And it's not just about understanding
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the technical side of AI.
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It's about understanding what it means for businesses
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and society in general.
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Exactly.
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So if our listeners thinking about how AI
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might impact their career,
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what are some key things to remember?
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Well, the most important thing is to remember
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that AI isn't about replacing humans.
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It's about helping us do things better
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and creating new opportunities.
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So it's not humans versus machines.
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Right.
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It's about humans and machines working together
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to achieve more.
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Exactly.
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And Ramaswami has said this many times,
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he believes that AI can help us solve
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some of the world's biggest problems
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from climate change to health care to education.
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That's pretty inspiring.
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But how can someone who isn't a data scientist
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or an AI expert tap into the power of AI?
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Well, first, start by learning the basics of AI
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and how it's being used in your field.
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There's tons of stuff online, articles, videos,
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even intro courses.
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What's about taking the initiative to learn
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and stay up to date?
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Right.
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OK.
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Second, think about how you can use AI
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to improve what you're already doing at work
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or to create new opportunities.
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Are there tasks that could be automated or streamlined?
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So it's about being proactive
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and finding ways to use AI to make things better,
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get insights and create value.
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Exactly.
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And third, don't be scared to experiment.
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There are lots of user-friendly AI tools out there
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that you can try without being a coding whiz.
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So be curious, explore, and find ways
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to apply AI to your own work.
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Even in small ways.
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Precisely.
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And remember, AI is constantly changing.
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What's cutting edge today might be old news tomorrow.
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So it's crucial to stay curious, keep learning,
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and adapt to the ever-changing world of AI.
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This all makes sense, but it can feel a bit overwhelming.
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Where do you even start?
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That's fair.
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Start by picking a specific problem or challenge
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in your work that you think AI could help with.
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OK.
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Then do some research and see if there are any AI tools
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or solutions out there that might fit.
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So instead of trying to learn everything about AI all at once,
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I should focus on a specific way to use it
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that's relevant to my work.
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Exactly.
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And don't be afraid to ask for help.
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Talk to colleagues, mentors, or even online communities.
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There are tons of people who are excited about AI
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and are willing to share their knowledge
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and help others get started.
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OK, that's really helpful.
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So it's about starting small, focusing
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on a specific problem and tapping
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into the resources and communities that are available.
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Right.
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And remember, the goal isn't to become an AI expert overnight.
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It's to start exploring how AI can make your work better,
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create new opportunities, and ultimately have a positive impact.
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That's a great point.
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So we've talked about Ramaswami's career, his companies,
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and his thoughts on AI.
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But I'm curious, how does his leadership style fit into all of this?
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Ah, his leadership style is really interesting.
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From what we've learned, he's definitely a visionary leader.
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OK.
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He's not afraid to shake things up, push limits,
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and go after big goals.
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That vision is what inspires his teams to do their best, right?
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Yeah.
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People are naturally drawn to leaders
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who have a clear purpose and are passionate about what they do.
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But it's not enough to just have a vision.
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OK.
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You have to communicate it in a way that gets people excited.
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And that's another area where he's great.
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He can explain complex things clearly and simply.
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Exactly.
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He's a gifted communicator.
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OK.
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Remember those war room meetings he held at Snowflake
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to explain AI to everyone?
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Yeah.
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That shows how committed he is to being transparent
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and making sure everyone's on the same page.
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So he's not just giving orders from the top.
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No.
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He's encouraging collaboration and making sure
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everyone understands the goals.
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Right.
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He understands that effective leadership
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is about fostering collaboration, open communication,
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and a shared sense of purpose.
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And it's also about giving people the power to take charge
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and use their talents.
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Yes.
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He's not a micromanager.
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He trusts his team to do their work
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and make decisions that are good for the company.
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And that trust is key for creativity and innovation.
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Absolutely.
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When people feel empowered to take risks and try new things,
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they're more likely to come up with groundbreaking ideas.
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Right.
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And Ramaswami's created that kind of environment
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at Snowflake where people feel safe to challenge assumptions,
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suggest new things, and push the limits of what's possible.
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Exactly.
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It's not just about having a great product.
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It's about creating a culture where the best people
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want to work and where they can do their best work.
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Now, these leadership principles aren't just for CEOs.
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They apply to anyone in any job in any industry.
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It's about motivating and empowering others
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to work together towards a common goal.
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OK.
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So let's bring it back to our listener.
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What are some qualities you admire in a leader?
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Oh, that's a good one.
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For me, one of the most important qualities is integrity.
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OK.
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Leaders who are honest, ethical, and transparent,
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they gain the trust and respect of their team.
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Definitely.
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Integrity is the foundation of good leadership.
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It's about doing what you say you'll do,
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taking responsibility, and always doing the right thing,
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even when it's hard.
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Exactly.
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Another important quality is empathy.
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Leaders who can understand and connect
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with their team members' emotions
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can create a much more positive and supportive work
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environment.
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I agree.
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Empathy helps leaders build stronger relationships,
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motivate their teams better, and handle
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disagreements with more understanding.
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It's about realizing that everyone on the team
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is a person with their own experiences.
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Right.
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And of course, effective communication is huge.
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Leaders need to be able to clearly explain their vision,
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listen to their team members, and give feedback
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that helps people grow.
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Communication is key for any team.
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Absolutely.
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It's how you build trust, be transparent,
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and make sure everyone is on the same page,
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working towards the same goals.
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Right.
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And lastly, effective leaders empower others.
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They delegate tasks, give people opportunities to grow,
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and create a culture where everyone feels valued
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and respected.
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So it's about seeing the potential in others
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and giving them what they need to succeed.
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Exactly.
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So if you want to be a leader,
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or even just be more effective in your current job,
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focus on these qualities.
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Integrity, empathy, good communication, and empowerment.
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Those are great insights.
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And before we move on, let's summarize
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what we've learned about Ramoswami's leadership style.
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OK, sounds good.
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First off, he's a visionary leader who
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inspires others with his clear purpose and passion.
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He sets big goals and takes his team with him.
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Yeah, and he's a great communicator.
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He can explain complex ideas in a way
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that's easy to understand and gets people excited
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about the vision.
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He's also all about transparency and open communication,
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ensuring everyone understands the goals and strategies.
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And he empowers his team by building trust,
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encouraging teamwork, and giving people the freedom
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to make decisions and use their skills.
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So it's not just about the product or service.
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It's about creating a culture that attracts and supports
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talented people.
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Exactly.
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As you move forward in your career,
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think about how you can develop these leadership qualities
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yourself, whether you're leading a team,
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a project, or just taking initiative in your job.
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It's an investment in your growth
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and the success of the people around you.
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This has been a really eye-opening deep dive
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into Shreeta Ramoswami's advice and leadership.
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I agree.
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Hopefully our listener has picked up some valuable things
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they can use in their own career.
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Remember, it's not just about listening to info,
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it's about doing something with it.
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Yeah, take action.
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So as you go about your week,
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think about one specific thing you can do
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to try out Ramoswami's advice.
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Whether it's volunteering for a tough project,
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finding a mentor, or getting better at listening,
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make an effort to put these ideas into practice.
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The future is being shaped now,
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and you have the power to shape your own career path.
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Absolutely.
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Until next time, keep learning, keep growing,
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and keep trying to make a positive difference.
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Okay, now let's move on to the final part of our deep dive.
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We'll explore some bigger ideas from Ramoswami's insights
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and how they can be used to navigate
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the ever-changing world of work and tech.
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Sounds good.
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I'm excited to see where this takes us.
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Me too. Let's jump in.
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Okay, so we've spent a lot of time
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unpacking Ramoswami's experiences and what he's learned,
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but what's really cool is how his story speaks
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to the bigger trends that are shaping the future of work.
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Yeah, it's not just about one person's success.
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It's about understanding those forces
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that are changing industries, changing careers,
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and creating new opportunities.
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Exactly.
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And one big trend we've already talked about is the rise of AI.
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His journey from Google to Niva to Snowflake
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shows how AI is becoming a part of so many areas
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of business and society.
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And it's not just about automating tasks, right?
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No, it's about changing how we work,
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how we solve problems, and how we create value.
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Right, right.
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AI is a tool that can help us do things better,
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makes smarter decisions,
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and unlock possibilities we couldn't even imagine before.
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And that has huge implications for everyone,
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no matter what industry or job you're in.
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So it's not enough to just learn one set of skills
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and rely on those forever.
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Exactly.
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Those days of linear career paths
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and staying in the same job your whole life are fading fast.
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To really make it in this environment,
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you got to be able to adapt to new challenges,
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pick up new skills quickly,
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and be open to new ways of thinking.
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I like to picture it as being like a mental gymnast,
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always stretching and adjusting to say ahead of the game.
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But how do you actually train for that kind of mental agility?
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It all starts with a change in mindset.
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You have to accept that change is going to happen
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and learning is a lifelong thing, not a one-time event.
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So it's about moving away from that fixed mindset
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where you think your abilities are set in stone
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and embracing that growth mindset.
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You got it.
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Where you believe you can always learn, grow, and get better.
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OK.
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This mindset shift opens you up to all sorts of new possibilities
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and gives you the power to face challenges head on,
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seeing them not as roadblocks, but as chances to grow.
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So it's about reframing those setbacks,
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not as failures, but as valuable learning experiences.
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Now you're getting it.
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And this brings us to another super important part
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of adaptability.
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Resilience.
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OK.
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Change can be tough.
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There'll be times when you feel overwhelmed,
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uncomfortable, even discouraged.
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So it's not just about being OK with change,
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but about having that mental and emotional strength
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to push through those rough patches.
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Exactly.
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Resilience is what helps you bounce back from those setbacks,
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learn from your mistakes, and keep going,
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even when it's hard.
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It's that inner strength that lets you weather the storm
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and come out stronger on the other side.
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But how do you build up that inner strength?
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Think of resilience like a muscle that you can strengthen
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with practice.
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One really effective technique is practicing mindfulness.
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OK.
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It's about paying attention to the present moment
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without judging yourself.
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This can help you manage stress,
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control your emotions,
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and see challenges from a more objective point of view.
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So it's about taking a step back,
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noticing your thoughts and feelings
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without letting them carry you away,
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and reacting to situations in a calmer,
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more collected way.
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Exactly.
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You can practice mindfulness through meditation, yoga,
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or even just taking a few minutes each day
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to focus on your breath and really observe your surroundings.
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OK.
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I can see how that would be helpful.
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But is there anything else people can do to become more resilient?
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Cultivating a positive outlook can make a big difference, too.
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Focusing on your strengths,
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celebrating small wins,
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and having supportive people around you.
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All of that contributes to greater resilience.
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Because when you believe in yourself
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and your ability to overcome challenges,
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you're more likely to keep going
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and ultimately reach your goals.
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Exactly.
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Now let's bring this back to the workplace.
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How can adaptability and resilience
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help you deal with the challenges you face in your career?
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Well, one common challenge is the fear of the unknown.
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It's normal to feel a little scared about change,
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especially when it means going outside your comfort zone
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or taking on new responsibilities.
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Oh, absolutely.
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But by embracing that growth mindset
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and practicing resilience,
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you can actually turn that fear into an opportunity
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to learn and grow.
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So instead of seeing the unknown as something scary,
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you see it as a chance to learn new skills,
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broaden your horizons,
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and discover new possibilities.
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You got it.
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It's about shifting from,
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I can't do this to,
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I'm curious to learn how,
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that curiosity is what fuels adaptability and resilience.
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It keeps you engaged, motivated,
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and open to new experiences.
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And speaking of new experiences,
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another challenge people often face
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is dealing with setbacks and failures.
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No one's career is a perfect upward climb.
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True, there will be bumps along the way.
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It's how you handle those bumps that really matters.
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And that's where resilience comes in.
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It's about seeing those setbacks,
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not as personal failures,
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but as chances to learn.
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Exactly.
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Ask yourself,
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what can I learn from this?
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How can I use this setback to grow and improve?
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And having the courage to get back up,
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dust yourself off,
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and try again.
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Because failure isn't the opposite of success,
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it's a stepping stone along the way.
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Often the most successful people
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are the ones who have learned the most
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from their mistakes.
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That's a powerful way to reframe failure.
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Instead of letting it defeat you,
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you use it as fuel to move forward.
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I want you, our listener,
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to think about a specific challenge
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you're facing in your career right now.
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Maybe it's a new project
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that feels overwhelming,
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a skill you need to develop,
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or a job change you're going through.
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How can you apply these principles
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of adaptability and resilience
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to approach this challenge
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with the more positive and proactive attitude?
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What are some small steps you can take today
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to start building those adaptability muscles
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and becoming more resilient?
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Remember,
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this is a journey,
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not a destination.
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Every step you take,
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no matter how small,
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helps you thrive
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in this world that's always changing.
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I think it's time for a quick recap
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to make sure we've captured the essence
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of adaptability and resilience
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and how they relate to the future of work.
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Absolutely.
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Let's break down those key takeaways for our listener.
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First and foremost,
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we have to acknowledge
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that change is the new normal.
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The world of work is changing faster than ever,
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and to succeed,
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we need to embrace continuous learning and adaptation.
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And that starts with shifting
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from a fixed mindset
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to a growth mindset,
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believing that we can always learn and improve,
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no matter how old we are,
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how much experience we have,
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or where we come from.
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And when it comes to adapting to change,
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resilience is crucial.
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It's that ability to bounce back from setbacks,
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learn from our mistakes,
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and keep moving forward,
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even when things are tough.
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And we can build resilience
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by practicing things like mindfulness,
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focusing on our strengths,
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celebrating small victories,
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and having a supportive network of people around us.
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And when we face those inevitable challenges
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in our careers,
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embracing adaptability and resilience
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can help us overcome our fear of the unknown,
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deal with setbacks in a more positive
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and productive way,
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and ultimately achieve our full potential.
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So the next time you face a challenge at work,
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remember these principles,
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ask yourself,
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how can I use this as a chance to learn and grow?
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What are the possibilities hidden within this challenge?
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Because as we've learned from Shri Haramiswami's journey,
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embracing change and cultivating resilience
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aren't just buzzwords,
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they're essential ingredients for success
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in this ever-evolving world of work and technology.
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Okay, that makes a lot of sense.
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But I'm also wondering about the role of mentors
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and role models in his story.
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Did he have people along the way
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who helped shape his path?
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That's a great question,
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and it brings up a really important point.
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While we don't know the specifics
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about his personal mentors,
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it's clear that he's benefited from the guidance
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and support of others throughout his career.
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He's actually talked about how important it is
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to seek out mentors,
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especially when you're venturing into uncharted territory.
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That resonates with me.
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I've had mentors who were instrumental in my own career,
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offering advice, encouragement,
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and a fresh perspective when I needed it most.
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But what are the actual benefits of having a mentor,
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and how do you even find one?
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Well, one of the most obvious benefits
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is access to their knowledge and experience.
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A mentor can share their insights on industry trends,
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help you navigate those tricky career paths,
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and provide valuable wisdom
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that would otherwise take you years to figure out on your own.
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Like, sure, get to wisdom,
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a fast track to learning from someone
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who's already been there and done that.
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Exactly.
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And beyond knowledge,
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a mentor can give you valuable feedback
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on your work, your ideas,
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and your overall approach.
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They can provide that outside perspective
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that often helps you see things you might have missed,
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refine your strategies,
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and make smarter decisions.
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So it's like having a trusted advisor in your corner,
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someone who can give you honest and constructive feedback
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to help you grow and improve.
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An mentor can also be a source of emotional support
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and encouragement,
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especially during those tough times
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we were just talking about.
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They face similar obstacles,
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they've navigated their own share of setbacks,
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and they can offer a listening ear,
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a pep talk,
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or simply a reminder
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that you're not alone on this journey.
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Having someone who believes in you and supports you,
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especially when you're doubting yourself
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for feeling uncertain,
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can be incredibly empowering.
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Absolutely.
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And this can be especially valuable
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for those who are changing careers,
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facing setbacks,
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or feeling unsure about their path.
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So a mentor can be a sounding board,
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a confidant,
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and a source of inspiration all in one.
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But how do you actually find a mentor?
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Where do you even start?
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Well, it's not always as simple as walking up to someone
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and saying,
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will you be my mentor.
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It's a relationship that you build over time,
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based on mutual respect,
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trust,
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and a shared understanding of goals.
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So it's about being thoughtful
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and strategic in your search.
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You're not just looking for someone who's successful.
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You're looking for someone who's a good fit for you,
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who understands what you want to achieve,
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and who can provide the specific guidance and support you need.
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Exactly.
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Often it starts with identifying people you admire,
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whose work you respect,
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and who embody the qualities you aspire to develop.
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So it's about being observant,
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paying attention to the people around you
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in your network,
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in your industry,
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even those you might admire from afar.
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Right.
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And once you've identified potential mentors,
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approach them respectfully and professionally.
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Maybe start by connecting with them,
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telling them you admire their work,
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and asking if they'd be willing to share their insights or advice.
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That's a great approach.
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And remember, mentorship is a two-way street.
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Be ready to offer your own skills and insights,
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be a good listener,
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and show genuine appreciation for their time and guidance.
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It's about both people benefiting from the relationship.
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Exactly.
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And be patient.
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It takes time and effort to build a strong
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mentor-mentee relationship.
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It's not a one-time thing.
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It's an ongoing investment in your growth and development.
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You know, connecting this factor on the Swami,
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while we don't know the details of his experiences with mentors,
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it's obvious that he's learned from the guidance of others
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throughout his career.
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And his success really highlights the importance of seeking out
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those who have already paved the way and learning from them.
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So our listeners can take a cue from them.
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Think about the people in your network,
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your industry, or even your community,
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who you admire,
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and who might be willing to share their knowledge and experiences.
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Don't hesitate to reach out.
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Express your interest in learning from them,
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and see if they'd be open to a mentorship relationship.
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Because as Rameswami's story shows,
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having a mentor can make a world of difference
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in figuring out your career
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and reaching your full potential.
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Now let's switch gears a bit and talk about something else important
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in Rameswami's journey,
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taking risks and embracing opportunities.
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Yeah, we've touched on that throughout this conversation,
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but it's worth digging into a bit more.
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Absolutely.
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Throughout his career,
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Rameswami has always pushed himself beyond his comfort zone,
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taking on challenges that many people would shy away from.
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Like his advice to volunteer for things
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you might not be qualified for.
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Exactly.
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It's about understanding that the most significant growth
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and learning often happen when we're outside our comfort zones.
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It's about being willing to take calculated risks,
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even if there's a chance you might fail.
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But as we've already talked about failure isn't the end,
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it's often a step towards something better.
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And his story is a perfect example of that.
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He left a secure and successful job at Google to start Niva,
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a company that went head to head with one of the biggest names in tech.
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And even though Niva didn't become as big as Google,
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it was still a bold and innovative venture
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that pushed the boundaries of what was possible in search technology.
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And that experience led him to his current position as CEO of Snowflake,
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a company that's leading the way in cloud computing and data analytics.
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So his willingness to take risks,
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step outside his comfort zone,
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and embrace new challenges,
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has ultimately brought him amazing success.
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His story is really inspiring.
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It shows that sometimes the most rewarding opportunities are the ones that make us stretch ourselves,
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learn new things, and venture into the unknown.
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And it's not about being reckless or impulsive,
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it's about being strategic and thoughtful about the risks you take.
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It's about weighing the potential rewards against the potential risks,
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and then making a decision based on careful consideration
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and a clear understanding of your goals.
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So it's about being thoughtful and calculated,
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not just jumping in blindly.
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Exactly.
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And it's also about having the courage to see failure as a learning experience,
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to pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and try again.
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Because, as Ramaswami's journey shows,
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the biggest successes often come from those setbacks and failures.
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It's about learning from those experiences,
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adapting, and using them to move forward.
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Now, how can our listeners apply this idea of taking calculated risks to their own careers?
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Well, I think it starts with identifying opportunities that match their passions,
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skills, and long-term goals.
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Right. It's about having a clear vision of where you want to go,
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and then finding opportunities that align with that vision,
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even if they take you outside your comfort zone.
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And then it's about having the guts to pursue those opportunities,
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even if they seem intimidating or unfamiliar.
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And remember, taking a risk doesn't have to be so...
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I agree. A quick recap would be helpful for our listeners.
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First and foremost, remember that growth and learning often happen outside our comfort zones.
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So, be willing to take calculated risks and embrace opportunities that challenge you to stretch and grow.
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And remember, it's not about being reckless or impulsive.
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Be strategic and thoughtful about the risks you take,
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weighing the potential rewards against the potential risks.
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And see failure as a chance to learn.
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Pick yourself up, duff yourself off, and try again,
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using those setbacks to make better decisions in the future.
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Be proactive in finding opportunities that match your passions,
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skills, and long-term goals.
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And don't forget, you don't have to do it alone.
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Find mentors, surround yourself with supportive people,
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and celebrate your successes along the way.
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Because as Ramaswami's story so clearly shows,
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taking risks and embracing opportunities can lead to amazing rewards and a truly fulfilling
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and impactful career.
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That's a powerful message.
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It's about being bold, being courageous,
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and not being afraid to go after those opportunities that excite you,
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even if they come with some level of risk.
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Exactly.
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And that brings us to what I think is the most important takeaway from Ramaswami's story.
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It's about realizing that success isn't just about individual acutement,
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it's about making a positive impact on the world.
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Ah, love that.
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It's about finding meaning and purpose in your work,
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and using your talents to contribute to something bigger than yourself.
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You got it.
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Throughout his journey, we see this theme of impact woven into his choices and actions.
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From his work at Google, shaping how we access information,
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to founding Niva, aiming to create more private and user-friendly search experience,
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to leading snowflake, empowering businesses to use data for good,
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he's constantly trying to make a positive difference.
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It's clear from what he says and does,
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that his goals go beyond just building successful companies.
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It's about using technology to solve problems, create opportunities,
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and improve people's lives.
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And that's a powerful message for our listeners.
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In today's world, with all the challenges we're facing,
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climate change, inequality, technological disruption,
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it's more important than ever to make sure our work aligns with our values
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and to try to make a positive impact.
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So it's not just about climbing the career ladder,
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it's about finding a path that lets you use your skills and talents
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to contribute to something truly meaningful.
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And this might mean working for a company that shares your values,
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volunteering your time to a cause you care about,
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or even starting your own business that focuses on solving a specific problem.
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The key is to be intentional about the impact you want to make,
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and to look for opportunities where you can use your work as a force for good.
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And that doesn't mean you have to quit your job and become a full-time social entrepreneur
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right away.
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Right, it's about finding ways to bring your values and your desire to make a difference
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into your current job, or to gradually shift towards a career path
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that aligns more with your purpose.
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It's a journey that requires self-reflection,
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exploration, and a willingness to step outside your comfort zone.
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But as Ramoswami's story shows, it's a journey that can lead to incredible fulfillment
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and a sense of purpose that goes beyond traditional measures of success.
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I love that. It's about finding that sweet spot where
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your work not only provides for you, but also makes a difference in the world.
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I want our listeners to think about their own values,
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passions, and the causes that really resonate with them.
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Think about how you can use your work, your skills, and your influence to make a positive impact.
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It might involve making small changes in your current job,
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volunteering your time, or skills, or exploring career paths that align with your values.
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The important thing is to start somewhere, take action, and believe that you have the power
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to make a difference, even if it seems small.
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Okay, before we wrap up this part of our conversation,
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let's quickly recap this key point about impact and purpose.
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Sounds good. Let's make sure our listeners take away these important points.
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First, remember that success isn't just about individual achievement.
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It's also about making a positive impact on the world.
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Make sure your work aligns with your values, and find opportunities where you can use your
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skills and talents to contribute to something meaningful.
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And remember, you don't have to make a huge change overnight.
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Start small, be intentional, and gradually shift towards a career that aligns more with your
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purpose. Because, as Ramaswami's story shows,
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finding meaning and purpose in your work can lead to incredible fulfillment and a sense of
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satisfaction that goes beyond traditional measures of success.
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So it's not just about what you do, it's about why you do it.
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Yeah. It's about finding that sense of purpose that makes your work truly meaningful and rewarding.
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Now, let's switch gears and explore another aspect of Ramaswami's story that's
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particularly relevant to our listeners' career journeys.
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Let's talk about emotional intelligence or EQ.
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Ah, EQ. We've touched on it a bit, but I'm really interested to dive deeper.
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I've always been fascinated by how emotional intelligence could be just as important
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as traditional intelligence for success, especially in leadership roles.
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You're absolutely right. We often get caught up focusing on technical skills in IQ,
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but Ramaswami's emphasis on EQ shows just how important it is,
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especially for those in leadership positions.
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And remember, even billionaire investor Reid Hoffman, the co-founder of LinkedIn,
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values EQ highly when he's evaluating CEOs.
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It makes perfect sense when you think about it.
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Leading a company, inspiring a team, making tough decisions,
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all of those things require strong self-awareness, empathy,
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and the ability to connect with people on an emotional level.
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So it's not just about being brilliant or having amazing ideas.
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It's about having the emotional intelligence to build relationships,
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communicate effectively, and inspire others to believe in your vision.
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Precisely. And I believe this is particularly important for our listeners,
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especially if they want to become leaders or simply want to navigate their careers with
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more awareness and effectiveness.
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Okay, let's break down EQ. What are the key parts of emotional intelligence and how can we actually
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get better at these skills? One of the most important elements of EQ is self-awareness.
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This means being able to recognize your own emotions, strengths, weaknesses,
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and how your behavior affects other people.
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So it's about having a clear understanding of yourself and how you present yourself to the world.
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Exactly. Self-awareness is crucial for making good decisions, managing stress,
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and communicating authentically.
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And then there's empathy, which is the ability to understand and share the feelings of others.
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Right. Empathy allows you to connect with people on a deeper level,
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build strong relationships, and create a more supportive and collaborative work environment.
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It's about putting yourself in someone else's shoes,
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and genuinely trying to see things from their perspective.
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And that leads us to another important part of EQ social skills.
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This includes things like communication, conflict resolution,
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teamwork, and persuasion.
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So it's about effectively handling social interactions,
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building rapport, expressing your ideas clearly, and influencing others in a positive way.
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You got it. All of these skills are crucial for building strong relationships,
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leading teams, and achieving success in any environment where you're working with other people.
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Okay, we've talked about some of the key parts of EQ, but how can our listeners actually develop
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these skills? Something that's an app you can download to instantly boost your EQ?
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I wish it were that easy. But luckily, emotional intelligence isn't something you're stuck with.
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It's something you can develop and strengthen over time.
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It's just like a muscle you can train.
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Exactly. Just like physical exercise requires dedication and consistency.
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Developing EQ requires deliberate practice and a willingness to step outside your comfort zone.
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Okay, I'm all in on this EQ training. What are some practical things our listeners can do to
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increase their emotional intelligence? One of the most effective techniques is simply to pay more
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attention to your emotions throughout the day. Notice how you're feeling in different situations,
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what triggers certain emotions, and how those emotions affect your behavior.
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So it's about becoming more aware of our own emotional landscape,
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like tuning into our internal emotional radar.
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Precisely. As you become more self-aware, you can start to see patterns in your emotional
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responses and figure out how to manage those emotions more effectively.
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That makes sense. But what about empathy? How can we get better at understanding and sharing
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other people's feelings? One powerful practice is to simply listen more carefully.
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When someone is talking, really focus on what they're saying, both their words and their body
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language. Try to understand their perspective, their emotions, and the reasons behind what they're
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saying. So it's about putting aside our own agendas and truly listening to understand,
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not just to respond. You got it. Active listening not only strengthens your empathy,
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but it also helps you build stronger relationships and communicate more effectively.
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What about social skills? Any tips for improving those? One of the best ways to improve your social
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skills is to simply practice them. Put yourself in situations where you have to interact with others,
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share your ideas, work as a team, and deal with disagreements in a constructive way.
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So it's about getting out of our comfort zones and looking for opportunities to interact and
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engage with others. Exactly. And don't be afraid to ask for feedback from friends, colleagues,
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or mentors you trust. They can offer valuable insights into how others see you and give you specific
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suggestion for improving your social skills. Okay, that makes sense. So we've talked about some
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practical techniques for developing EQ, but I think it's important to emphasize why this is so
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important for our listeners' careers. You're right. This isn't just some abstract concept.
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Emotional intelligence is becoming more and more valuable in the workplace. It's essential for
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leadership, teamwork, communication, and dealing with the complexity of today's world.
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So it's not just a nice to have skill. It's a must-have for anyone who wants to do well in their
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career, no matter their industry or role. Exactly. And as Ramaswami's story shows,
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emotional intelligence can set you apart from others who might have similar technical skills or
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experience. It's not just about getting promoted. It's about creating a more fulfilling and
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impactful career where you can connect with others on a deeper level, build stronger relationships,
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and make a positive difference. So if you're inspired by Ramaswami's focus on emotional intelligence,
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take some time to think about your own EQ strengths and areas where you can grow. What are some
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small steps you can take today to start developing these important skills? Remember, it's a journey,
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not a destination. And every effort you make to improve your emotional intelligence will benefit
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your career in all aspects of your life. Okay, we've explored so much. Ramaswami's career journey,
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his companies, AI, EQ, and leadership. But before you wrap things up, I want to highlight one more
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thing that's been woven throughout everything we've discussed. Okay, what's that? The idea of mentorship.
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We talked about how valuable mentors can be, but I'm curious. Did Ramaswami have specific mentors
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who guided him along the way? That's a great question. And while we don't have specific names or
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details, it's clear that he's benefited from the guidance and support of others throughout his
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career. He's even talked about the importance of finding mentors, especially when you're venturing
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into something new. Yeah, I can definitely relate to that. I've had mentors who played a huge role in
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my career, offering advice, encouragement, and a different perspective when I needed it most.
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But for our listeners who might be new to this, what are the specific benefits of having a mentor?
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And how do you even go about finding one? Well, one of the most obvious benefits is that you get
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access to their knowledge and experience. A mentor can share insights about industry trends,
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help you navigate those tricky career decisions, and offer valuable wisdom that might take you
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years to learn on your own. It's like having a shortcut to wisdom, a fast track to learning from
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someone who's already been there. Exactly. And on top of that, a mentor can give you valuable feedback
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on your work, your ideas, and your overall approach. They can provide an outside perspective that
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helps you see things you might have missed, refine your strategies, and make more informed decisions.
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It's like having a trusted advisor by your side, someone who can give you honest and constructive
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feedback to help you grow and get better. And a mentor can also be a source of support and
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encouragement, especially during those challenging times we talked about earlier. They've been
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through similar obstacles. They've had their own setbacks, and they can lend an ear, give you a pep talk,
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or simply remind you that you're not alone in this. Having someone who believes in you and supports
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you, especially when you're doubting yourself or feeling uncertain, can make a huge difference.
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Absolutely. And this can be especially helpful for those who are switching careers,
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facing setbacks, or feeling lost in their career path.
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So a mentor can be like a sounding board, a confidant, and a source of inspiration,
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all rolled into one. But how do you actually find a mentor? Where do you even begin?
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Well, it's not as simple as just walking up to someone and asking, will you be my mentor?
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It's a relationship that develops over time based on mutual respect, trust, and shared goals.
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So you need to be intentional and strategic in your search. You're not just looking for someone
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who's successful, you're looking for someone who's a good fit for you, who understands your
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aspirations, and who can give you this specific guidance and support you need.
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Exactly. A good starting point is to identify people you admire, who's work you respect,
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and who seem to have the qualities you want to develop.
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So it's about being observant, paying attention to the people around you, those in your network,
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in your industry, even those you might look up to from a distance.
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Right. And once you've found potential mentors, it's important to approach them in a respectful
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and professional way. Maybe start by reaching out, expressing your admiration for their work,
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and asking if they'd be open to sharing some insights or advice.
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That's a great way to start. And remember, mentorship is a two-way street. Be ready to share your
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own skills and insights, listen attentively, and show genuine appreciation for their time and
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guidance. It's about both people benefiting from the relationship. Exactly. And be patient.
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Building a strong, mentor-menti relationship takes time and effort. It's an ongoing investment
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in your growth in development. Now circling back to Ramaswami, while we don't know the specifics
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of his mentorship experiences, it's clear that he's learned from the guidance of others throughout
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his career. And his success really shows how powerful it can be to find those who've already
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blazed a trail and learned from them. So our listeners can take a page from his book.
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Think about the people in your network, your industry, or even your community, who you admire.
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And it might be willing to share their insights and experiences.
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Don't be shy about reaching out. Tell me you're interested in learning from them,
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and see if they'd be open to a mentorship relationship. Because as Ramaswami's story shows,
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having a mentor can make a huge difference in navigating the ups and downs of your career,
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and reaching your full potential. Now let's shift gears a bit and discuss another
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crucial element of Ramaswami's approach. The importance of volunteering for things you might not
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feel ready for. That's interesting. It seems a little counterintuitive, but I'm curious to hear more.
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Right. It's not about blindly jumping into things you're completely unprepared for. It's more about
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having the courage to step outside your comfort zone and take on challenges that might seem a bit
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daunting at first. So it's about pushing your boundaries and being willing to learn and grow on the
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job. Exactly. And it's about recognizing that sometimes the best learning experiences come from
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those situations where we feel a little bit stretched. We learn by doing, by facing those challenges
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head on. It's like that saying, if you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong
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room. I love that. It perfectly captures the essence of what we're talking about. You want to be
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in environments where you're surrounded by people who challenge you, who push you to think
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differently and who help you grow. So how can our listeners apply this principle of volunteering
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for things you might not be ready for in their own careers? What are some practical steps they can
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take? Well, it starts with identifying opportunities within your current role or organization where
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you can stretch yourself a bit. Okay. So it doesn't necessarily mean quitting your job and starting
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something completely new. Not at all. It could be as simple as volunteering for a new project,
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taking on a leadership role in a team, or even just speaking up more in meetings and sharing
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your ideas. So it's about looking for those opportunities to step outside your comfort zone
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within your existing environment. Exactly. And it's about being proactive. Don't wait for
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someone to hand you a challenge. Go out and seek them out. Talk to your manager, network with
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colleagues in different departments and see where you can contribute your skills and talents in
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new ways. So it's about being curious, exploring different areas of the organization, and not being
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afraid to raise your hand and say, I'm willing to give that a try, even if I'm not entirely sure
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how to do it yet. Exactly. And that willingness to learn and grow on the job is incredibly valuable.
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It shows initiative, a desire to develop new skills, and a commitment to contributing to the team's
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success. Now, I imagine there might be some listeners who are thinking, but what if I fail?
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What if I take on something new and I just totally mess it up? That's a valid concern and it's
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important to acknowledge that fear, but here's the thing. Failure is a part of the learning process.
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It's inevitable. No one gets it right every single time. So it's not about avoiding failure. It's
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about how we handle it. Exactly. Think of it this way. Every time you try something new, every time
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you step outside your comfort zone, you're gathering valuable data, you're learning what works, what
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doesn't, and what you can do better next time. So failure isn't a side of weakness. It's an
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opportunity to learn and grow precisely. And often the most successful people are the ones who
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failed the most because they've learned the most from those experiences. It's about having that
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resilience to pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and keep going. Now connecting this back to
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Ramaswami, remember his advice about creating that spreadsheet to demonstrate his vision for AI
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at Snowflake? Yeah, it wasn't just about the spreadsheet itself. It was about the thinking behind
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it, the strategic planning, the initiative. Right. And that's a perfect example of how he approached
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this idea of volunteering for things you might not be ready for. He didn't have all the answers
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right away, but he was willing to put in the work to develop a plan and to present it to the leadership
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team. He showed that he was willing to take on that challenge, even if it meant stepping outside
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his comfort zone and potentially facing some pushback or criticism. And that's what ultimately
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impressed them. It wasn't just about his technical skills. It was about his willingness to step up,
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take ownership, and show leadership. So it's not about being the most qualified person in the room.
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It's about being the most willing to learn to adapt and to contribute. Exactly. So our listeners
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can take inspiration from this. Don't be afraid to raise your hand even if you don't feel 100% ready.
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Show initiative, be willing to learn, and demonstrate your commitment to growth and contribution.
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And remember, you don't have to do it alone. Reach out to mentors, colleagues, or anyone who can
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provide support and guidance. Because ultimately, the greatest rewards often come from those
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experiences where we push ourselves beyond our perceived limitations and embrace the unknown.
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This has been an incredible deep dive into the career advice and insights of street harrama swami.
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I agree. It's been fascinating to explore his journey and unpack the key takeaways that our
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listeners can apply to their own lives. And remember, it's not just about absorbing this information.
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It's about taking action. Absolutely. So as you go about your wank, think about one concrete step
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you can take to embrace rama swami's advice. Whether it's volunteering for a challenging project,
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seeking out a mentor, practicing those EQ boosting techniques, or simply reflecting on your values
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and how you can make a positive impact. The key is to start somewhere. Take that first step and
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keep moving forward. Because the future is being shaped right now. And you have the power to
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shape your own destiny. Until next time, keep learning, keep growing, and keep striving to make a
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positive impact on the world.