Can We Make Health Bipartisan? | Fixing MAHA, SNAP & Food Policy

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spk_0 We're doing a live podcast today. If you don't know who I am, my name is Courtney

spk_0 Salana. I have my Masters of Science in Nutrition and Integrative Health. I started

spk_0 to get really passionate about food and nutrition about 20 years ago and then I

spk_0 decided to go back to school about 14 years ago. And real

spk_0 foodology is really just it was born out of a desire to get the truth out. When I

spk_0 was in school, I was learning a lot of things about the food industry that I

spk_0 felt like a lot of people didn't know and I really felt like I needed to get

spk_0 this information out and sound the alarm because it's quite literally life

spk_0 saving what we're eating is everything and it determines our health in

spk_0 general. So I started real foodology just as a food blog and then when

spk_0 Instagram became really big I started going to Instagram and I was

spk_0 educating on Instagram and then I started a podcast in 2020 which I believe is

spk_0 the year that I met both of y'all was 2020 I think. She came to volunteer at the

spk_0 farm as I met her but she already knew Ryland. Well I asked Ryland and come on

spk_0 the podcast because I saw Kiss the Ground and I was enthralled with that

spk_0 documentary. Regenerative farming has become become one of the most important

spk_0 things to me in my messaging because I believe that well it not even I believe

spk_0 it's it's where our health really truly begins is how our food has grown and

spk_0 so when I saw Kiss the Ground I was like I have to get Ryland on the podcast so

spk_0 I had you on the podcast and you were like where do you live and I was like I'm in

spk_0 LA and then he told me to come out and meet Molly who's like oh you got to go

spk_0 meet my sister Molly you need to go to out to the farm and then I went out and

spk_0 I volunteered at the farm and then we just became fast friends because we're

spk_0 all very like-minded and I remember that well Molly said why did you have him on

spk_0 the podcast I'm more interesting sibling and I was like there she goes again

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spk_0 MAHHA first because all three of us kind of took a leap of faith and decided

spk_0 that we would jump on board and support MAHHA publicly which was a little

spk_0 hard just for obvious reasons and I know that we we have our our opinions on how

spk_0 MAHHA is going and I think there's a lot of really amazing things happening

spk_0 right now but I want to hear from both of your perspectives what MAHHA is

spk_0 maybe missing the mark on and what your solutions are and what you think that

spk_0 needs to be done to make America healthy again. I'll go first so and just to

spk_0 give some context. Kiss the ground not only was a film it was a nonprofit

spk_0 the start in California I ran it for many years and then when Bobby Kennedy put

spk_0 out his first campaign video I've told this story I was sitting on the toilet

spk_0 late at night having a good poop as a Dr. Derek Hussein I was having my third

spk_0 poop of the day and because I'm a healthy I'm a healthy guy and I found myself

spk_0 weeping tear just weeping down my face because I I could tell you know what

spk_0 what I'm what I'm good at is spotting authenticity and spotting heart and

spk_0 something that is true and I had met Bobby Kennedy personally someone had

spk_0 put us together for dinner party some years before that so I'd known about him I

spk_0 had been inspired by his leadership through the pandemic and him writing the

spk_0 real Anthony Fauci and just being a champion for free speech and for the

spk_0 corruption and and so I got a call that next day after I put up that video or of

spk_0 me on the toilet crying saying a psychic once told me that my life or my job in

spk_0 life is to point at things and build movements behind those things and I'm

spk_0 pointing at Bobby Kennedy for president and I got a two calls that next day one

spk_0 from my current the CEO of my company and one from a brand partnership that was

spk_0 funding our nonprofit saying you got to take that down you can't say that and so

spk_0 I understood at the time the reason why as a nonprofit you're getting money

spk_0 that's you know not tax so you have to be politically not supported so I

spk_0 understood I stuffed stuffed it and I you know took the video down and I went

spk_0 underground for a year in my support for Bobby Kennedy which then led to me

spk_0 actually being at a panel in Austin at Aubrey Marcus's place called the

spk_0 American Wellness Summit where it was a fundraiser for Bobby Kennedy and we all

spk_0 sat in a sweat lodge and and you know in that sweat lodge I had this whisper on my

spk_0 heart which was that people who I succeeded I've succeeded in my life because I

spk_0 had good champions behind me I had people who believed in me when I didn't

spk_0 believe in myself and that there we were in this circle around this this guy

spk_0 who was up for a big challenge and stepping into a huge sacrifice and who

spk_0 didn't really need to do what he was doing and he was choosing to do so and I

spk_0 just raised my hand and say I said I'm I'm gonna champion this man's success and

spk_0 I invited everybody to step into that and that following day I resigned from

spk_0 the none on profit for that I've been running and raising money for and you know

spk_0 I've been my whole identity I said all right I'm gonna step down from the

spk_0 board and I'm gonna resign as an employee and I'm gonna let go of that because I

spk_0 feel like this is actually in this moment there is a a bigger opportunity for

spk_0 service and transformation than my own little or you know not necessarily that

spk_0 little but my my thing kissed the ground and so I did that and you know there was

spk_0 a whole rocky road about that process of leaving but I definitely went all in on

spk_0 Maha and got behind Bobby Kennedy which then was getting behind Donald Trump

spk_0 which for me as a lifelong liberal Democrat living in California and been

spk_0 somebody who had run a nonprofit through the years of COVID and diversity

spk_0 equity and inclusion and I had been sort of slandered as a straight white man

spk_0 running an organization and I need to you know need to be this whole and I was

spk_0 just kind of I'd been totally mobbed by that that narrative and you know it was

spk_0 just it was for me a slow willingness to continue to tell the truth and the

spk_0 more I was able to tell the truth the more free and the more I felt better

spk_0 about my life and so that's a long context to the question which was I know

spk_0 but really I knew that government is we can't we're not gonna count on things to

spk_0 change from the government so hence my life is been how do I be a be the change

spk_0 and role model and you know collaborate with Molly and do this here and be very

spk_0 tactical in the world of regenerative agriculture and walking the talk and

spk_0 being grateful for the hand that I've been dealt and if I can influence a larger

spk_0 ripple then awesome and again I had the blessing of knowing Bobby Kennedy for

spk_0 the last seven years and being able to be an advisor and plug the whole regenerative

spk_0 world into his ecosystem and supporting him in that way but I knew supporting him

spk_0 and getting into politics would be a continuum of disappointments just because

spk_0 politics is going to be a continuum of disappointments and on some level it's like

spk_0 forgiveness is like preloading forgiveness preloading disappointment and then

spk_0 being grateful for that the cat is already out of the bag like okay we're gonna

spk_0 be disappointed there's gonna be lots of things like it should have gone better

spk_0 different but the reality is there's things that are happening in

spk_0 conversations that are happening around this country and around the world that

spk_0 already are a a chasm of forward momentum for what the alternative was coming

spk_0 at the governmental level so that's where I'll stop because I've been taking a

spk_0 lot of the air out of the room I would say I have less faith in government than

spk_0 my brother so my expectations expectations were even less so in many ways

spk_0 things have exceeded my expectations of things shifting the conversations that

spk_0 are coming out about vaccines and all of that but the two main things that are

spk_0 disappointments is that I don't see that the Republican Party as a whole

spk_0 understands that Maha is not like it's not like all these yoga moms crunchy

spk_0 granola non-vax yoga moms are like die hard Republicans that coalition has

spk_0 Republicans in power and it seems that it's kind of being pushed off to the

spk_0 side and not being fully understood in the whole Republican Party would be one

spk_0 thing and then the other thing is doge I think did a lot of good but coming in

spk_0 and like ripping out grants taxes in the room lost a bunch of money that was

spk_0 he invested all this money to build this mill to get nutrient dense fresh

spk_0 grain milled to food to kids like win win win win all around and doge just like

spk_0 took it away and now he's like wait what do you mean and so I think that there

spk_0 was a lot of good that was in bad bills from the previous people that was

spk_0 very in a line with Maha that got pulled and so those would be my two things I

spk_0 think that we just pulled the rug out of a lot of programs that were maybe

spk_0 helping inside of bigger gross bills that were just earmarked grossness but I

spk_0 think that we should have been more tactile and how we I mean tactical and how

spk_0 we pulled those and then yeah I think that Maha does have to understand I

spk_0 mean the Republican Party has to understand as a whole I don't think that the

spk_0 Maha moms are like full on Republicans yet and so we want to take care of

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spk_0 yeah the one other thing it was it was reflected when we did the event at the Heritage Foundation

spk_0 Joel Saladin said thanks to Heritage Foundation because he's been mostly disappointed with how

spk_0 the conservatives have not cared for God's green earth and so thank you for

spk_0 bringing this conversation to the table here at that place and then I think the the way that

spk_0 that's being reflected in in conflict right now is you know there's a lot of conservative states

spk_0 that are all about maha getting the sugary you know snacks and soda out of the food you know

spk_0 the supplemental nutrition programs which are great but those same states are totally on board

spk_0 for the pesticide liability shield and so you know the vaccine issue was the radicalizing and

spk_0 the issue that's brought a lot of cohesion within maha maga and everyone's clear about the playbook

spk_0 of what happened with the the vaccine liability shield in 1984 meant or many people are in this movement

spk_0 and though if if we just now input the pesticide liability shield as the example of the crony capitalism

spk_0 that Bobby Kennedy talked about where it's not free market capitalism it's literally the government

spk_0 making this special arrangement to where big companies who are selling products can't be held

spk_0 accountable for their products then that's a big big egg on the face of this moment so I think that's

spk_0 that that will be a big crumbling stumbling block if that happens on this administration's watch

spk_0 and I worry that it'll be detrimental to the maha movement because that that to me is a thing that

spk_0 I'm the most concerned about and the reason I asked you all this question is because I think

spk_0 from all the maha supporters we're hearing a lot of conversations in public about all the

spk_0 wins that we're having and and I'm one of those people I'm very I'm very excited I've been waiting

spk_0 for 20 years just for anyone in our government to just acknowledge what we're going through right

spk_0 now I mean we've just been ignored completely ignored until this administration so for that alone

spk_0 is already a win to me but I also don't I think that are the people that are are hating on this

spk_0 movement just think that we're just going along with everything and we're happy with everything

spk_0 it's going on and so I wanted to bring more into the conversation about the things that we also

spk_0 want to change and so that we all can come together and be louder against all the things that we

spk_0 really believe need to be changed like for example the glyphosate liability or the pesticide liability

spk_0 shield and the EPA is rolling back other pesticides that we've been made illegal for a long time and

spk_0 now they're like bringing them back so yeah I don't think that's what anybody thought when they were

spk_0 rallying for Maha I'm very upset about that too especially because Lee Zelda in the beginning

spk_0 was saying that he's very concerned about PFAS and that he wanted to address them and now we're

spk_0 reading that they're rolling back regulations on PFAS I don't I don't understand what's going on

spk_0 with that and we we may never find out but yeah yeah and then I think to be fair we I mean for me

spk_0 I can just speak you know I was I was the guy who was going to put that up on the wall so clearly

spk_0 I was I was all in on the cool eight on Bobby Kennedy I'm sure he's he's he's just one guy in a

spk_0 in a big matrix swamp and so the idea that we can expect agriculture to be reformed which is not

spk_0 even something he's overseeing and management on you know is is over you know we have too many

spk_0 expectations and of course I want that that's my area of interest that's what I've been champion

spk_0 being to be changed but we also you know that's and you know again I was in DC and we I was at a

spk_0 soil health round table with Bobby Kennedy and and and Secretary Rollins and it was you know some

spk_0 industry people and then a few regenerative farmers and and Bobby says as he said a meant a bunch of

spk_0 times Brook Rollins is the best Secretary of Vag this country has ever had and I literally called

spk_0 him that night and said are you kissing her ass by saying that or are you like to tell me like

spk_0 really I'm so so so like what's going on and he said no she's she actually is curious she and

spk_0 you know what he explained to me is similar to the vaccine issue most people for a long time have

spk_0 thought the absolute bedrock of health for this country and around the world for public health

spk_0 we need that vaccine schedule and there's that's an that's an impermeable surface of you know

spk_0 narrative and that's every most smart people were were and so where she stands is most of the

spk_0 information and most of the smart people who are talking to her and vying for her attention and

spk_0 putting money and influence they believe in the green revolution and the industrial agricultural

spk_0 complex as you know the superlative truth that there isn't another option and you know I like to

spk_0 say you know Will Harris gay brown Alan Williams you know these other champion regenerative

spk_0 practitioners you know in the scheme of things their assemble compared to the ocean that is

spk_0 this narrative and this strength of what is you know the way to feed the world but but again on the

spk_0 other side of it she was sent Bob Quinn's book she read the whole thing texted him out of the blue

spk_0 invited him to the way houses Brook Rollins had a long a long two hour conversation with him

spk_0 and was very curious interested and passionate so again am I a buoyant optimist absolutely but

spk_0 what what I what I can do is I can continue to say how do we put these layups of you know appetizers

spk_0 on trays of regenerative opportunities to have her believe and become a believer in this idea

spk_0 and you know I'm thrilled to you know that you know AJ Richards got to go meet with Brook and

spk_0 have a couple hour meeting and brought a bunch of other ranchers from the west to to talk about

spk_0 what were some solutions that they saw and what was what was needed and sounded like he went skeptical

spk_0 and he he left going make I think she maybe is the best you know not that you know so um again

spk_0 she's open she's open yeah which is we can't say that for all the ones before her so something

spk_0 that I'm I'm really struggling with so and and I know y'all are both in the same camp as me

spk_0 we all met when we were living in LA I was very far left liberal voted liberal my whole life

spk_0 up until this last election and what I I've been trying to get this message out just so many

spk_0 people because I'm trying to figure out how we can bridge the ground between Americans because

spk_0 I have my message has been exactly the same for 20 years I created this whole brand around

spk_0 real food real foodology and I came up with that 14 years ago when I was super far left voting as a

spk_0 liberal and have always said you know we need to get back to eating real food my message is still

spk_0 exactly the same today and how can we and help everyone understand that we are all Americans and

spk_0 it doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on you're still being poisoned by your food system and

spk_0 how can we all come together and realize that we have a common enemy in the corporations that are

spk_0 poisoning us it's not our fellow Americans it's not about being left or being right and I jumped on

spk_0 this maha bandwagon because of everything that Bobby Bobby Kennedy stands for I've been following him

spk_0 for and his work for 10 years I know about him with his background of litigating against monsanto like

spk_0 I'm very passionate about glyphosate and all the chemical inputs that were spraying and I was I

spk_0 knew that I was going to get hit with pushback just because of obvious reasons with what maha has

spk_0 with maha aligning themselves with Trump but what I've really been having a hard time getting out is

spk_0 how can we how can we all come together how can we how can we help our fellow Americans really

spk_0 understand that this is about so much bigger than this stupid infighting I don't know I write

spk_0 about it a lot because I think it's the most important conversation that we're should be having

spk_0 right now my mom's twin sister worked at a natural food co-op when I was a tiny baby I've

spk_0 been in the real food space my entire life and it has largely been dominated by the left

spk_0 and now it seems like with maha emerging the left is screaming like no no no it's totalitarianism

spk_0 to take red dye 40 out of the cereal like what we have an opportunity to be a coalition and a soft

spk_0 landing for farmers to make the transition and we literally have the power to do that because

spk_0 arguably the left has been passionate about healthy food for a long time and now the right is

spk_0 passionate about healthy food but it seems like the left is all the sudden being like whoa whoa whoa

spk_0 Trump said we should be healthy I'm going to go eat mcchicken nuggets or whatever I'm going to

spk_0 take Tylenol while I'm pregnant I'm pregnant it's it's crazy so I just keep reminding us that if

spk_0 you're getting information whether it be from your news from your Instagram feed from your whatever

spk_0 and it's trying to divide us then be critical thinking what you're seeing because we all are being

spk_0 poisoned there is no it doesn't care if you're black if you're white if you're trans if you're gay

spk_0 if you're old or if you're young we are all being poisoned and I don't know it's the most thing

spk_0 I talk about non-stop is how do we remind us that we are all reflections of God we are all here

spk_0 and there's no like they don't there's no discrimination we're all being poisoned the same

spk_0 and I think that the underlying problem is that the green movement environmentalism made us have

spk_0 a mind virus that thinks we don't belong here we're a plague plague a scourge a problem on the planet

spk_0 and underneath it all it's like well it's okay if we get poisoned and our children can't have

spk_0 children because we're the problem and that is what I think is the underlying messaging in the

spk_0 last 20 years of the environmental movement underneath nobody set it out loud but I think that's

spk_0 what they've taught us I think they're talking about children having anxiety about the environment

spk_0 we've taught people that we don't belong here and so I don't know the answer exactly but I think

spk_0 we need to remind people every opportunity we have the mic that we belong here we're the keystone

spk_0 species and we get to be the change governments not coming to save us nobody's coming to save us

spk_0 it's each of us every moment of every day and stop othering each other there's no we're all

spk_0 here doing the best we can with the information that we have yeah

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spk_0 Whole Foods Amazon CVS and Walgreens what i was going to say is this is one of the things that i

spk_0 so much about regenerative farming is that it reminds you that everything was built in this perfect

spk_0 design to all work together in this beautiful ecosystem were the stewards of the land but the

spk_0 animals work so beautifully and there's this whole ecosystem that nature design or god design

spk_0 perfectly and when we work with nature we get all of these beautiful benefits out of it like healthy

spk_0 food and gorgeous luscious land and the animals are actually being taken care of and can live out

spk_0 beautiful lives on pastures yeah i'll say it like this i produced a film called common ground

spk_0 and our soil the land that we stand on the land that we eat serves everyone it doesn't serve

spk_0 mess with the bull universal thing that people can get behind yeah and so i think

spk_0 yeah we we continue to share declare bee examples of this solution and that this healing

spk_0 is a healing for all of us and for the benefit of all of us and that it is part of

spk_0 you know and again we hear lots of people say this but we all we mostly agree on 80% of everything so

spk_0 and i think that the challenges in the realm of communications and marketing and social media

spk_0 the conflict is always the the thing that is the thing that sells or goes viral and spreads

spk_0 and so the challenge is even people who are wanting to be positive messengers can get lured into

spk_0 making the divisive or the make wrong communication because it oftentimes becomes the thing that

spk_0 amplifies the message and so it's like uh i'm gonna i'm gonna be a good person when i get famous

spk_0 i'm just gonna do lots of lousy things to get famous and then i'm gonna be a good person once i

spk_0 get to being like having a platform so i think we we get to just continue to message messages of

spk_0 love and unity and togetherness and not get tempted by the opportunity to be divisive to

spk_0 be othering even when it does feel like a a spiritual battle it does i think all of us

spk_0 everyone listening we need to all be better about having more open lines of communication with

spk_0 people especially people that may not totally disagree with us and approach the conversations with

spk_0 love instead of you know i mean i'm i do this too somewhere where we get really defensive or you know

spk_0 want to attack and what i have found is when i i lead with love and i go into these conversations

spk_0 with more curiosity and asking questions and try to understand where they're coming from we can

spk_0 usually find common ground and that's what we need to all be doing more of i think because we've

spk_0 been siloed so much into our you know social media and not we're not we're not connecting and

spk_0 talking anymore about these things um Molly i want to ask you a question you and i were talking about

spk_0 this yesterday and i was really intrigued to hear because i feel like you have some really good

spk_0 solutions to this is one of the things that maha is working on right now that um is a little bit

spk_0 controversial and i'm i'm very for is reforming the snap program um because what's happening right

spk_0 now is they're allowing um i think it's 10% of the income for snap is going directly to soda

spk_0 companies like Coca-Cola and Pepsi and we we have obesity and diabetes crisis in this country a lot

spk_0 of it is in lower income families that are on welfare and snap and so i'm very much in support of

spk_0 putting more money towards real food in the snap program and you were telling me some solutions

spk_0 that you had around what your thoughts around that yeah so i wrote a plan for the snap basically what

spk_0 i think is that if we made there be a base number of ingredients that anything could have that you

spk_0 could buy on snap so let's say it's eight to ten ingredients five ingredients i don't want to go

spk_0 like five but that's really aggressive but then all the companies would reformulate their bread

spk_0 their food their everything and take out a lot of the ingredients because they would be able

spk_0 not be able to get that revenue it's a huge amount of revenue but then also what happened is in

spk_0 these places that we consider to be food deserts they would bring in more whole foods because you

spk_0 couldn't buy a twinkies you couldn't buy the chips you couldn't buy the this because it needed to

spk_0 have less ingredients and people say well you shouldn't be controlling what people eat and blah blah

spk_0 blah blah i'm not wanting to control what anybody's eat it it's a grant if i want to get a hoop house

spk_0 grant from the nrcs i have to follow certain things and then for me to get that hoop house there

spk_0 has to be a hoop house at the end snap is a nutrition grant from the government printed money

spk_0 that our children's children are still going to be paying the interest on and so the outcome should

spk_0 be nutrition and so what i think is it really needs to go down to very few ingredients in processed

spk_0 foods and then double payout so if you just get eggs milk meat and vegetables whole grains

spk_0 in their whole form you get like one and a half times or two times for that and at the farmer's

spk_0 market you get double and there's already 15 states doing double at the farmer's market so you

spk_0 can go with your snap credit card you go to the farmer's market you swipe your card and you get

spk_0 a hundred dollars on your card and they give you two hundred dollars of market cash which is like

spk_0 monopoly money and then the farmers bring that in and they cash it out for cash at the end of the

spk_0 market from the market for you know whoever's taking care of that at the market so i like that i don't

spk_0 like government subsidies as a whole but we have to understand that snap is the largest subsidy in

spk_0 the farm bill and so if we're going to have that exist then we should find ways that that money

spk_0 finds its way back to farmers because it's in the farm bill it should not just support

spk_0 the deficiency of calories in low income areas but it should also support the success of farmers

spk_0 in all areas and so that would be my design and then that would also take small towns like this is

spk_0 a food desert where we live here or if you're in the inner cities all those small stores would bring in

spk_0 more single ingredient things because then they would get the customers buying it but if a customer

spk_0 can't buy the junk they wouldn't have the junk on themselves or not as much and so that would be my

spk_0 solution it's controversial because you're saying you're controlling people you're not you're just

spk_0 i can't buy a horse with nrcs's money for a greenhouse because greenhouse is the outcome

spk_0 that nrcs wants i can't buy a cow with it i can't buy anything else so i think if the outcome is

spk_0 nutrition then the the guardrails for the grant should include only foods that cause nutrition

spk_0 well and let's not forget nobody's saying that they can't buy junk food we're just saying if you

spk_0 want to buy it buy it with your own money if you're getting money from the government like you

spk_0 said it's it's literally in the name nutrition nutritional supplemental program so why are we not

spk_0 feeding them nutritious foods the whole point was to get them healthier and that was that was

spk_0 where the whole program started with the farm bill was that some huge percent of our country

spk_0 was post-World War Two was unfit for battle unfit for being a soldier because there was famine and

spk_0 there wasn't enough nutrition and that's where that supplemental nutrition came from and again we

spk_0 did a good job at providing a lot of calories but now those calories have led to us being fat

spk_0 taken nearly dead but now it's almost it's more in the other direction now we have just as many or

spk_0 more people that are not fit to go into the military not that someone i'm encouraging people to go

spk_0 to the military but i'm just saying because of obesity diabetes and chronic diseases in our young

spk_0 people so we've swung from famine to obesity and so we need to swing back in the middle i think that

spk_0 of course we need there to be a net and we live in this country there can be a net but it can't be

spk_0 a twinkies and cookies and soda net it has to be a net that actually is causing the outcome that the

spk_0 grant is designed to do and i think it also should tie back into farmers because it's part of the

spk_0 farm bill and it seems like that's that's a viable option because there is a whole there's a

spk_0 thrust the next sort of big maha announcement i understand is going to be a redefinition of what

spk_0 is the food pyramid what is the dietary recommendations and it seems like that would make sense if

spk_0 there is dietary recommendations for nutrition and health then what the government

spk_0 peoples taxes is paying to supplement nutrition would only be supplementing nutrition that actually

spk_0 is something that's going to deliver nutrition outcomes of health well exactly because right now the

spk_0 way that the nutrition guidelines work is that they were majority written by big food by food industry

spk_0 and so they were serving the purpose of selling more ultra processed food so when we redefine

spk_0 what the dietary guidelines look like and what it actually looks like to eat a healthy diet

spk_0 that's all going to change and then also too i was going to point out that you know a lot of what is

spk_0 supplementing snap right now are big food corporations that lobby to get their ability for people

spk_0 to buy their foods on snap and so if we could flip that we could also help another thing that i

spk_0 wanted to ask both of you all about is what's happening right now with the loss of all these family

spk_0 farms across the country and what a great way that we could also solve that solution by putting

spk_0 money back into the farmer's hands that are actually growing our food yeah i've been quoting

spk_0 140,000 farms in the last 10 years and uh merrill less is that her name what's the farm freedom

spk_0 alliance lady she correct yes she corrected me at the heritage foundation round table she's like

spk_0 i just want to correct mr. zingle heart that it's uh

spk_0 170,000 farms in eight years and then she qualified that by saying it's one in 15 farms is lost in the

spk_0 last eight years which is a full-on agrarian collapse that's happening and so if we want small

spk_0 medium-sized farms family farms to exist something has to shift i'm not saying like the government

spk_0 has to shift it i'm saying we have to shift it but like you're saying this can be a support for this

spk_0 and i know it can work because i have a family friend that i own a part of their land and they

spk_0 are doing twelve thousand dollars a week to low-income people they have to have nine different vegetables

spk_0 and they're doing hundreds of boxes but it's like free for them to not free but they're free to choose

spk_0 what the vegetables and fruit are and it totally changed the game for them and they were going to

spk_0 lose their land because the loan is in my name and it's a five-year arm and the arm is coming up

spk_0 in um in april but because of this program they were able to save up 650,000 dollars and they're

spk_0 going to be able to put that down and even with their lower income um that they have coming in

spk_0 they'll be able to get a loan for that and so they're not going to lose their farm and so these

spk_0 programs can help if deployed in such a way that actually support farmers but during COVID there was

spk_0 a lot of these programs deployed and big warehouses that are just like a consolidator were getting these

spk_0 big grants to do all these food boxes for people and then small farms were not getting them

spk_0 at all and so and i just want to say one more thing about snap i went through two and a half years

spk_0 to go through the process in california to be able to take food stamps in my farm store for my

spk_0 csa boxes and while everybody screamed about food deserts and all the stuff and mothers with no cars

spk_0 i'm delivering or certified regenerative organic food to every neighborhood of los angeles i have

spk_0 vans i have refrigerator vans when i finally got approved after so much headache the first week we

spk_0 go to launch it i say okay well how do they pay with their card on the website oh no they have to

spk_0 come to the farm what do you mean they have to come to the farm the the food the person in the food

spk_0 desert that you're concerned that they don't have any access to food needs to drive 55 minutes

spk_0 outside of los angeles to pick up their food and they were like yeah they have to come to the store

spk_0 and they gave me this some kind of credit card processing machine from the

spk_0 hundred years ago and was like that's what you get and i was like i don't understand you can buy

spk_0 jack in the box with your snap online how come and they said you have to have a volume for them

spk_0 to have it be worth it you have to have a volume of more than five million dollars a year so they

spk_0 won't even let even if you go through all the hoops two and a half years to be able to take to get

spk_0 access to that and give those families access to nutrition food they have to come to you the system

spk_0 is just like not designed to support the farmers or to support health is that a california

spk_0 thing or is that a federal thing i have no idea i've never i didn't come to texas and try to take

spk_0 snap for sure i was over it yeah yeah the thing i'm thinking about is there is because

spk_0 the republicans are all about the in the farm bill 80 percent of the farm bill is

spk_0 goes to snap 20 percent goes to farm subsidies and it's always this barter between the democrats

spk_0 and the republicans will you know we'll let you hold your snap dollars and you let us hold our

spk_0 subsidies and that's why i that's what i've heard that's why it kind of always goes through

spk_0 but and you know there's obviously from the conservative republicans side they're always

spk_0 you know wanting to scale down the you know snap dollars but you know this idea that Molly brings up

spk_0 of i think there's 44 million people who are consuming food getting calories nutrients from

spk_0 the snap program i mean if that was that went down to a five ingredient minimum of or you know

spk_0 10 ingredient that would drive a huge huge demand for a different supply chain of different food

spk_0 system and that would obviously drive farmers and you know it would i mean again it's hard to

spk_0 predict how ripples affect obviously really great ideas oftentimes have a complete

spk_0 shit show of experience and you know in the ripple effect but from you know what i'm seeing in this

spk_0 moment i mean that could be a very very powerful framework for how snap dollars could drive a

spk_0 a different purchase and a different different supply chain if there was these sort of small more

spk_0 less processed food you know in that purchasing power yeah but it wouldn't just drive health in people

spk_0 that are on snap because it's going to change how food companies are going to formulate in foods

spk_0 because they want to be having access to that money so it's going to formulate everything

spk_0 differently so it creates health across everybody but i just want to say just from what's

spk_0 happening in texas with the no soda no sugar candy thing i have a girlfriend that's a buyer for

spk_0 HEB she says they're already rearranging the stores even though it hasn't come yet and putting soda

spk_0 deeper into the aisles they're doing no end caps of soda they're only putting stuff that is

spk_0 able to be bought with the snap on the end cap so no candy no no cookies and no soda end caps so

spk_0 even they are like oh well we don't want to put that on an end cap if 20% of our customers can't buy

spk_0 it and so that being said i think it would shift everything the cascade effect of that would be

spk_0 health in many different areas yeah well and this is a great example so i kind of live in the middle of

spk_0 you know i i spent the last 20 years building real foodology really trying to build a movement

spk_0 with the people because the way that i saw it because you know when i started real

spk_0 foodology i was watching i remember voting for abama thinking that he was going to do something

spk_0 about gmo's and we had to fight tooth and nail just to get the smallest little label on there

spk_0 and so i started seeing okay so we're not going to really change anything in the government

spk_0 so we the people need to start demanding better of our food system and will Harris was talking

spk_0 about this yesterday actually that that it really does have to come from the ground up and i

spk_0 i kind of live in the middle now because after i've seen what is possible when we get somebody

spk_0 like bobby in there now granted that will talk to me in four years and let's see what actually

spk_0 really happened but i think this is a great example of how if we can get the right people in there

spk_0 that are writing the right policies that are actually protecting our farms and and helping us with

spk_0 bettering our health i think it's really cool but my my question when it comes to what's

spk_0 happening right now we're hearing all these horrible stats about these family farms i am incredibly

spk_0 concerned about this what can everyone in this room and everyone listening do as an individual to

spk_0 help turn this around you have to buy from family farms everybody i've heard people say it to

spk_0 a j ever do you'll say it to me a hundred times like what can we besides buying from farmers what can

spk_0 we do to support like literally just buy from farmers like go to from the farm go to white oak

spk_0 pastors go to sovereignty ranch go to opens flats buy from the farmers that are doing the practices

spk_0 that you believe in how much of your money can you be getting from the small farm diet the medium

spk_0 size farm diet the regenerative farm diet like forget about like what brine was uh was saying forget

spk_0 about keto and vegan and this and that like if we can go with the highest quality food from the

spk_0 closest location or the highest quality production like that's what you want to go with and so

spk_0 i don't care about if anybody's like keto or whatever your diet is get whole foods from places that

spk_0 you trust but that involves giving up a little bit of your convenience and we're so addicted to our

spk_0 comfort like we're just so into it and so you know how many people said this weekend to me like

spk_0 this is so much work why would you do it most things that are worth doing are a lot of work yeah

spk_0 and so saving our small farms saving rural America i mean look at will as an example look at him

spk_0 changing the way he did his practices look at what's happened now he's bought a bunch of the houses

spk_0 and other people's houses the houses are getting picked up fixed up the the whole neighborhood the

spk_0 whole place is getting fixed up because not just regenerating the soil but regenerating the community

spk_0 and so we have to support if we want cool stuff to exist where we live we have to support it

spk_0 and it has a ripple effect when true true capitalism is like nature if something is good for the

spk_0 community and it gets supported it grows up and if it's bad for the community the community doesn't

spk_0 support it and it collapses but we don't have true capitalism we have amazon prime with free

spk_0 shipping and everybody just goes with free shipping because it's free shipping and everybody hates

spk_0 amazon but they love free shipping more than they hate amazon and so we have to be our word like

spk_0 be who you say that you are i told dusty shi i think she's already gone she's not in here but

spk_0 i said like thank you for putting your money where your mouth is she invested a little bit of money

spk_0 in this ranch she orders every Tuesday she she's dedicated and she she posts on instagram about it and

spk_0 then she comes and she tells other people about it like that's just one thing but if everybody does

spk_0 that everybody supports each individual farmer where they are that is all that we can do like

spk_0 sure call your senator or call your whatever when some the pesticide liability show do that

spk_0 but the everyday action is small farm diet medium farm diet regenerative farm diet that's what

spk_0 that's what you want to be spending your money on what percentage of my food can i get from somebody

spk_0 that i know and don't discount discount the importance of talking to everyone you know about this

spk_0 you know taught if your kids are in school talked all the parents at the school have friends over

spk_0 and and cook them an amazing meal and talk about the farm that you got it from like it it all

spk_0 we all play a role in this and we can make a difference in our own little communities and it

spk_0 may not feel like much but you know if you can get five friends together that are all ordering from

spk_0 Molly's farm it will make a huge difference you know and so i i just want to encourage people to

spk_0 to not forget to also you can have a ripple effect in your community before i mean i have a

spk_0 ton more questions i'm going to have to bring you guys back on but does anyone have any questions

spk_0 that you'd want Molly or rylan to answer you too have done such a good job of making yourself known

spk_0 and people love to support who they know and so as farmers and filmmakers you've done an amazing

spk_0 job of creating community that allow people to even know who you are and then age is business

spk_0 of like oh for the farmers who don't have the time to go out and make the reels and become more known

spk_0 that's that's a that's a solution so i'm curious if there are any other ways that you have learned

spk_0 just in the way that you've lived your life to allow yourself to be more seen and more known

spk_0 in otherwise jobs that could have you be here all the time and not be as as known and uh i guess

spk_0 cross-pollinate across other kinds of uh we're a good group of people we're a good combination

spk_0 i don't like going out i don't really like being social so he goes out into the world and

spk_0 pollinates the conversations and i stay here and hold it down um and so we have uh we're blessed

spk_0 that we both have different uh skill sets and different personalities and he loves connecting like

spk_0 i'm not super great at like connecting when i first meet people sometimes i carve across as cold

spk_0 he calls it cold fish face he's like i'm bringing this person there important don't give them cold

spk_0 fish face um so that i'm not as people don't always connect with me or connect with my heart as

spk_0 easily as they do uh with rylan and so we're lucky that he can go out in the world and

spk_0 be the social butterfly and connect people and that is his skill set and it's extraordinary and he

spk_0 you know look at the people that were in the room this weekend and you know everything from

spk_0 people that have access to billions of dollar hedge funds to like someone with a 1.3 acre

spk_0 homestead to the you know different farmers and different all different sizes and then

spk_0 podcasters and then policy makers you know that's he's the one who has all these different strings

spk_0 that he can connect and so i'm grateful that that's his skill set and my skill set is building

spk_0 um things in real life like uh not real life in that way like brick and mortar pulling something

spk_0 out of my mind and idea and pulling it out into existence even if i have to use like duct tape and

spk_0 dental floss to make it happen i will push it to the end and so that's my skill set and so

spk_0 the combination of us is actually necessary and we both bring something that's totally unique to

spk_0 the table and that's the blessing of the partnership that we have

spk_0 yeah i i agree and just yeah i would say that i had a mantra my answer is yes and my message is love

spk_0 and just being really uh everywhere i go i try to make a difference contribute uh leave a positive

spk_0 ripple effect uh which then allows me welcomes me back anytime i want to go back where i've been

spk_0 but it also allows me to ask for favors and support when i need it because you know when i'm

spk_0 present i'm somewhere i'm always trying to make it better than i found it um so that i can then

spk_0 you know in the future at some point uh ask for support knowing that all that i will need it at some

spk_0 point we know that we probably don't trust the government to fix everything right which is why it

spk_0 kind of starts with us so you alluded to the snap program kind of being a big motivator for some

spk_0 of those large companies to change their practices is that a large enough motivator to get you know

spk_0 your your multi-billion dollar corporations on board or are there other things

spk_0 it's a huge motivator yeah so uh cali memes has talked about this a lot but the soda companies

spk_0 actually paid the nwacp to say that taking soda out of snap was racist and they got nwacp to lobby

spk_0 for soda in snap as racial equity which is crazy so the level of lobbying that's going to keep

spk_0 people's products in the program is huge so if they got cut out of the program immediately they

spk_0 would be formulating stuff that could go in those supply chains and continue to grab that money

spk_0 it's a huge amount of money 80% of the farm bill goes to that so you would think 80% of the farmers

spk_0 farm bill would go to farmers and 20% to food stamps it's the other way around and so it's

spk_0 it's a massive amount of money and the food companies would have to shift and then they would

spk_0 shift all their cereal or the majority of their cereal to have these ones that could would be

spk_0 compliant and so for me I hate regulations but in this case it's not a regulation it's a grant

spk_0 from the government so therefore the outcome of the grant should match what the grant is saying

spk_0 it's doing just like we as farmers have to we're gonna do a repeary in zone we can't buy caps if

spk_0 we're gonna you know there's there is grants and we should have the outcome match that

spk_0 yeah I was just looking up because I have some stats from a post that I did a while back and

spk_0 so does the number one commodity purchase with food stamps more money is spent on soda

spk_0 candy snacks ice cream and desserts and on fruits vegetables eggs beans and rice combined

spk_0 so it's a massive market for big food companies and like she was saying they lobby

spk_0 in order to have that food share well that's encouraging I'm glad to hear that

spk_0 not glad to hear that yeah that we were working on it yeah and this this may sound ironic and maybe

spk_0 foolish but

spk_0 mcdonalds I said this earlier mcdonalds just put a fund of 200 million dollars

spk_0 towards regenerative ranching and there's lots of reasons why they could do that lots of green

spk_0 washing but as far as a cultural arc of where the system we know that the system the titanic

spk_0 takes a lot to move that is that is encouraging that just that that aspirational direction of

spk_0 what is considered the crumbiest version of food in america is aiming towards this higher ideal

spk_0 of food production and obviously there's a lot to work out such that that's legitimate and

spk_0 impactful and but again in in in the realm of a life of trying to you know take little steps

spk_0 that to me shows that a thousand little ships have led to a directional shift that is it is moving

spk_0 the moving the masses I just want to say like when you're out there and you're talking to people

spk_0 I don't think that people understand like in the general public that we have the the cows stocking

spk_0 rate in the united states is as low as it was in 41 right now so we have the lowest amount of cows

spk_0 that we've had in a very very long time the screwworm is just minutes away down the road basically

spk_0 and we are a full net in-porter of food we are in we don't grow enough food for ourselves and

spk_0 we are in a very very precarious position and you guys may go to the grocery store and feel very

spk_0 safe but I'm going to let you know that right now there is millions of farms freaking out because

spk_0 not one single order of soybeans has been put in from china not one order from and they buy 60

spk_0 percent of all the soybeans in the world so even if we get all of the rest of the market and we're

spk_0 not because the other bricks nations are also not buying from us where are we going to sell all

spk_0 these soybeans we've already put it in every single product that we can put it into and where

spk_0 and then what happens to these farmers that have leveraged whatever haven't paid they pay their

spk_0 mortgage once a year when they get their soybean crop and we don't have a market for it like we're

spk_0 at a very precarious position we don't have enough cows we're importing everything we're exporting

spk_0 corn and soy all around the world we're going to be in a situation where we're just eating corn and

spk_0 soy that we can't sell anywhere else and if some like and I'm not trying to be like fearful like

spk_0 there's a legitimate agrarian collapse happening and it seems to me that the average person seems

spk_0 not concerned about our cattle stocking rates about farm's ability to profit any of it it seems like

spk_0 herbas like I mean people have even posted like what are you so worried about everything you need is

spk_0 at the grocery store wow and so we are very disconnected as a culture and we're in a very

spk_0 precarious position right now and farmers are very many farmers are on the edge of losing

spk_0 their farms and ranches and I just think that we need we're not in a fair way fear is not going

spk_0 to help us but in a I am responsible I am a cell in the body of the whole and how can I support

spk_0 that whole if you have if you could speak directly to secretary rollins

spk_0 what are like just a few general guidelines that you would ask or you would you know recommend

spk_0 to how we get to a more sustainable place with our food supply I don't really believe on putting

spk_0 more big subsidy boxes on top of more big subsidy boxes on top of more big subsidy boxes but

spk_0 if I was to move around subsidies that were already there I think we need to let people that are

spk_0 transitioning and doing other things still have crop insurance I think the crop insurance whole

spk_0 thing probably needs to be redone it's it has people stuck I'll give you an example I have a

spk_0 farmer next door to me in California I didn't see your harvest avocados for the last I don't

spk_0 know how many years and there's a certain amount of years she can claim insurance and not and she

spk_0 only claims avocados the year that she has to before she can't claim insurance again so literally

spk_0 it's a scam like she's buying this insurance AJ was telling me about another thing where you buy

spk_0 like drought insurance you have one cow with a brand and then there's all these ways that this drought

spk_0 that this insurance is being used so I think there is money that could be moved around but one of

spk_0 the main things I would say is that we need more grazing ground we need more young people to have

spk_0 access to places to graze cows so one of my we definitely shouldn't take away BLM land

spk_0 but in states like Texas where there is no BLM land I think opening up

spk_0 rich people's land giving them a subsidy that's greater than just a wildlife exemption so it's

spk_0 valuable enough for them to let someone graze their land there's tons of private land that we

spk_0 could be grazing cows on in the state of Texas that's all under wildlife exemption and to get a

spk_0 wildlife exemption you just need to put GMO corn in a corn feeder and put water out and now you're

spk_0 exempt and you get the same exact tax benefit as if you're grazing cow the the tax benefit that I

spk_0 get for moving my cows every single day and oh what what what what is exactly the same as a person

spk_0 putting GMO corn from the gas station in a spinner thing and throwing it out every once a day and

spk_0 filling a trough for the deer same same and so I think that there should be a greater

spk_0 benefit to having edible cows or other bovine that are edible on your land would be one thing

spk_0 that I think that she should look at and there's so much in the system that's broken that I

spk_0 I'm not smart enough to do her job to the truth is like I I'm not smart enough to do her job and I

spk_0 don't think that I should but I do think a financial product similar to what we do for

spk_0 veterans like where it's like zero down or a low percent down and one two percent interest low

spk_0 interest if we had a getting into land program a financial product similar to Fannie Mae and

spk_0 Freddie Mac and first-time buyers we do it for military we do it for first-time buyers but when

spk_0 you want to buy land you need to put 30 percent down so people can't get on to land farmers are

spk_0 aging out and so how and then the kids that don't want to farm their land is expensive they're selling

spk_0 it so how do we get people to get on to land we can't get people to come up with a million dollars two

spk_0 million dollars to put 30 percent down and so we need a lower interest rate like if you're doing

spk_0 this going to stock more cattle you're going to feed your community boba have a special financial

spk_0 program that would be like a similar to Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac or what we do for military those

spk_0 would be my two things that and keep it making sure that the BLM land we can bring up the stocking

spk_0 rates if we're doing regenerative practices right now the stocking rates are based on old kind

spk_0 of style of grazing but if you're moving your cattle every day or moving your cattle very regularly

spk_0 you should be able to bring up a higher stock density so that you can have a better herd impact

spk_0 and we can bring up our overall cattle numbers that would be what I would start with.

spk_0 Yeah the two things that come up in addition to what she just shared I'm always asking advisors of

spk_0 mine you know what are the levers of change and gay browns sort of modif his his version of regenerative

spk_0 transition through the regenerative certification program not necessarily that that certification

spk_0 but the framework of transition of there's conservation dollars for farmers to implement soil health

spk_0 practices but it's just paying farmers to potentially do no till or putting you know cover crops

spk_0 but there's no outcomes so there's a lot of people that do something they apply they get some money

spk_0 and they don't necessarily have the educational context and they maybe put a little bit of cover

spk_0 crop on the field they don't they put the rest in their pocket and then there's not the ecological

spk_0 benefit they don't actually see the benefit and in turn it's wasted money inside of whereas you

spk_0 know his estimation is that 15% of growers who are going to conservation programs many of them fall

spk_0 out of those programs because they're not seeing the benefits whereas farmers who are utilizing his

spk_0 services you know 85-90 percent who come into their their program are succeeding in the implementation

spk_0 so improving the technical training at the NRCS right now the technical training at the NRCS

spk_0 has been influenced by the you know chemical agriculture apparatus so their

spk_0 influence their education their conviction their support for growers seems to not necessarily have

spk_0 people succeeding and continuing to get better so improving that technical training and then

spk_0 the stimulation and the funding for conservation programs or regenerative agricultural programs

spk_0 having there be an attachment to you get more money if you're showing that there's an outcome

spk_0 that is being delivered on for you know for that for those dollars that have been given

spk_0 to to apply those practices I think we're out of time anyways so we'll have to wrap up here but

spk_0 thank you guys both so much and I just both want to say or I want to say to both of you thank you so

spk_0 much for all the work that you're doing thank you for bringing them this community of people together

spk_0 thank you for being loud thank you for telling the truth both of you it's more needed than ever

spk_0 and when you get up here and you tell the truth you also give everybody else permission to do

spk_0 the same and it has a ripple effect on our society and I just want to say that you're doing

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