2022 NBA Playoff Career Arcs, The Hated, & The Prospects

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spk_0 Welcome back to another edition of the sq sports MBA podcast

spk_0 I am Shane in alongside me as always on the other side of the screen

spk_0 We have Q Q how we doing tonight?

spk_0 I'm feeling all right. I'm a little fucking tired, but I'm good. It is it is late. Neving 940 on Wednesday night

spk_0 Definitely have to put the hand up. It's my fault. We're recording this late, but you know I grind in other aspects of my life besides just

spk_0 SQ sports MBA podcast

spk_0 So but without being said we're gonna be coming with the flaming takes today. That's for sure

spk_0 We're gonna get into some major headlines as well as touch on a recent

spk_0 Blog article that Q put up on our website

spk_0 About kind of legacy stuff going into the 2022 playoffs. I'll link it in the description

spk_0 On top of our most unlikable guys

spk_0 In the MBA and of course we got to end off the pod with some turny stuff

spk_0 But I think the biggest current news in the MBA is that New York the state of New York

spk_0 Is relaxing the COVID vaccine mandate which means one kai reurving is clear to rejoin the nets at home

spk_0 Right now the only place that kai re is not available to play is in Toronto

spk_0 You cannot cross the Canadian border, but obviously this is huge news for the nets

spk_0 They don't have to worry about you know playing a playoff series and only having kai re half the time

spk_0 I think this is also gonna be big as they make a little bit of a push to try to possibly

spk_0 Avoid a playing games kind of seems like it might be out of the picture at this point

spk_0 But I mean all in all for the nets good news today

spk_0 What what do you kind of think about all this as a as a sixers fan and then as kind of more an MBA perspective?

spk_0 Well from the sixers perspective I'm pretty terrified

spk_0 And we sixers say any any east team fan can talk talk and be like oh

spk_0 Got to beat the best to beat the best blah blah

spk_0 Any any team that draws Brooklyn in the first round because at worst

spk_0 They're gonna be the eight seat. I don't there. I don't think there's a single chance coming to rent loses two games in the plan

spk_0 If they even stay in the plane because there are only three games behind Cleveland. It's not

spk_0 Completely out of the picture that they catch them

spk_0 But the he the box sixer Celtics all those teams should be

spk_0 Pretty scared of what Brooklyn do because a

spk_0 Lot of kairi's issues over the past you know five or six years really has been every time he gets to the playoffs

spk_0 He he's you know, he's an injury prone guy

spk_0 He's worn down whatever

spk_0 Right now he's fresh as a daisy and he's dropping like

spk_0 When he's had like multiple 50 point games in the last in his last few outings

spk_0 He had a 60 point game. I think the last time that he played

spk_0 Which was like you know six days ago

spk_0 Before tonight

spk_0 he's

spk_0 Outside of that one-year boss and he's always shown in the playoffs and last year he was playing amazingly in the playoffs

spk_0 And then that's our probably NBA champions right now kairi can turn his ankle

spk_0 On Janice's foot or whatever

spk_0 I'm even with the news that Simmons is out. I like I don't think Simmons is gonna play you know Steve Nash can

spk_0 First of all poor, I mean like he's lucky he's guess a coach a great team, but like this dude has to handle so much shit

spk_0 You know Katie's injury kairi vaccine stuff kairi disappearing last year

spk_0 He's he tried to like keep optimism that Simmons would play I

spk_0 Just I don't see it happening. He hasn't played since June

spk_0 He hasn't even like done full practices since

spk_0 He did one full practice with the sixers in October

spk_0 Got kicked out and then practice and then I don't think he's done a full practice Brooklyn

spk_0 There's no way they can just like throw him in to a I mean they'd be playing a must win playoff game right away

spk_0 Since they're gonna be in the plan

spk_0 So even with Simmons out

spk_0 Anyone who's been watching Kevin Durant for the last

spk_0 Three post season. He's played in

spk_0 Knows that any time he steps on the court his team has a pretty good chance winning

spk_0 Nearly you know, he was an inch away from being the bucks last year basically by himself those last three games

spk_0 So I'm terrified

spk_0 Absolutely terrified and they kicked our ass two weeks ago, you know

spk_0 Which you know is a lot of like you can say unsanable shooting whatever

spk_0 It's

spk_0 I don't think I think they might

spk_0 rival Golden States

spk_0 Offense from like three years ago. You know what this various part is

spk_0 Well, it's that Joe Harris isn't even playing I

spk_0 Mean yeah, I mean like like Joe Harris hasn't been a great

spk_0 Post season performance still still he was a big part their offense

spk_0 He opened up so much for Durant and I read you know in heart and when they add him

spk_0 And you know if they had Simmons he would be a great piece to play off of Simmons

spk_0 That's why getting you know they signed mills and they got curry even though curry got hurt the other night

spk_0 He seems like he'll be okay though

spk_0 The getting those two who snipers at the two spot that don't need to bother be effective and are obviously

spk_0 Leap will go around screens and everything that's huge, but yeah Joe here, but like they don't even have Joe Harris

spk_0 and they don't even have their the arguably the best perimeter defender in the NBA and they're still terrifying

spk_0 In a really stacked conference

spk_0 They're still super to scary to play against because they you know obviously

spk_0 being able to hit

spk_0 Super difficult shots is incredibly important in the playoffs and they have maybe the two best tough shot makers in the league plus other

spk_0 guys that can

spk_0 Create offense in different ways and space the floor like curry and mills and

spk_0 It's just

spk_0 It's not looking great. Yeah, and I think that at their you know when they're going they're like

spk_0 Rivaling the peak warrior stuff on offense. Obviously on defense. They're not close to the words

spk_0 How good the words were the both sides of the court, but on offense like there they've no weaknesses

spk_0 You know they play making they've shooting

spk_0 They've got like like rolling threats with drumming and clasps and they're they got spate of big man spacing threats with all dritch

spk_0 I mean Blake Griffin's maybe done, but he's you know, he's still there. It's just

spk_0 It's really and I just want to say it's really shows how much the Yankees fucking matter in New York more than any other team

spk_0 Because as soon as it was like oh well air and judge probably will be able to play and maybe some guys in the mess might not be able to play

spk_0 It was like okay, we're gonna lend the athletes play, you know because it's only it's only for athletes and entertainers

spk_0 The rule wouldn't doesn't change for employees otherwise

spk_0 Um, which is just don't like let him in. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I mean

spk_0 I'm not feeling great about it right now the six-hour position to play against them. They're the three received

spk_0 Um, and it seems like they're gonna be

spk_0 resting and beating hard in the decent amount they rest of them both on Monday night

spk_0 um, and they still beat Miami

spk_0 And Miami's looking like they're gonna lose to the Warriors and it's good to be a mess because

spk_0 Then the seasons really locked in like two through four is they're all within half a game

spk_0 five through seven are within two games

spk_0 And even the here only two games above the bucks and there'll probably be a game and a half above after tonight

spk_0 So yeah, it'll be interesting to see how the east

spk_0 the jockeying for playoff positioning

spk_0 Goes these last three to four weeks

spk_0 Um, just a cut like how we kind of saw in the west last year

spk_0 Obviously the team you kind of want to play as the calves no offense to Cleveland, but I mean they're just young

spk_0 And I really don't see them winning a first down series

spk_0 But just going back to the kairi stuff

spk_0 So in Brooklyn's last 18 games. He's played in seven of them

spk_0 So like what you were saying about him being fresh

spk_0 Completely fresh in those seven games he's averaging 36 points

spk_0 Five assists four and a half for even on his two steals shooting over 50% from three on nine attempts per game

spk_0 Um, so yeah, he's just in a whole another realm and it kind of like

spk_0 Not to relate it over to my team, but when the suns

spk_0 Why there's such a good clutch?

spk_0 Team is you have CP3 you have book or you have two guys that can get to their spot and make a shot

spk_0 off of those guys you have me calibreages cam johnson even j crowd or who can who can knock down open shots

spk_0 Menets are the same way they're gonna have Irving and Durant and whoever wants to ball the weather as the better matchup is gonna be able to create

spk_0 a good look in the in the last seconds of a game and

spk_0 In April, May and June

spk_0 That's all you can really ask for and that does end up becoming the difference in a lot of these games the one thing

spk_0 I will pose you about brooklyn if Simmons doesn't return um

spk_0 Do you have any worry at all about

spk_0 possible

spk_0 Offer is it this way the one thing that would worry me is

spk_0 scoring at the wing behind or not

spk_0 They're playing like I mean obviously Bruce Brown plays like some weird weird super small center rolls

spk_0 But they have Bruce Brown

spk_0 Kessler Edwards is getting some run

spk_0 um

spk_0 So are you are you worried about

spk_0 Scoring on the wing there and the minutes that Durant isn't in obviously kairi's gonna take over but their wing depth is kind of shoddy at the moment

spk_0 Yeah, it's not great

spk_0 um

spk_0 But I mean, I think they'll they'll work the line up so enough where there's enough creation

spk_0 On the quarter all times where it's not too big of an issue really

spk_0 I mean if they're gonna lose it's gonna be their defense

spk_0 Yeah, um just match up

spk_0 Is especially against if they play a team like Boston

spk_0 Um with Tatum and Brown like

spk_0 You know you're you

spk_0 I don't know especially with how those two guys are playing especially Tatum. I mean Tatum's playing

spk_0 Out of his freaking mind right now. It's depressing for me um but impressive on his bat

spk_0 If they play team at like

spk_0 It will be dicey if they play again. I know they kind of shut down hard

spk_0 When they play in Philly up weeks ago, but you know hard and we'll get his one more when hard and goes in a match up on

spk_0 You mode like they could get scary if they try to

spk_0 You know play

spk_0 Courier mills like a lot of minutes

spk_0 Um, we've seen those guys get picked apart in the playoffs before kairi is obviously somebody who

spk_0 Like a guy like hard and with target um or guy like jay butler or even like you know Chris Middleton drew

spk_0 Like there are a lot of really good scoring guards and and wings in the east

spk_0 I think kairi's defense has been a lot better of late kairi's never kairi tries

spk_0 He's just not he's not that bad of a defender, you know like he's not he's not clueless or anything

spk_0 But those other it's more just the size like it is the size and those are the point

spk_0 He doesn't have the tools to to really match up those other guys you mentioned

spk_0 With mills curry and even drodgic

spk_0 Um one of those guys is gonna be on the court at all times pretty much. I mean, which is scary

spk_0 Yeah, so I mean there's always gonna be someone that can be targeted

spk_0 Uh on that team. I mean if we're gonna if we want to look back, you know

spk_0 Uh game seven first Atlanta Seth Curry was getting targeted by freaking Kevin Herder

spk_0 Over over

spk_0 So

spk_0 But I would I don't think any I mean I wouldn't be

spk_0 Yeah, yeah, so that's the thing uh with the nets too is if if that happens

spk_0 I could easily see Nash just going to a lineup that's

spk_0 KD kairi Bruce Brown Kessel Edwards Andre Drummond

spk_0 And just just like KD kairi

spk_0 Every time I so balled down the floor and then on the defensive end you're solid. I think Kessel Edwards is

spk_0 Gonna make himself some money

spk_0 um

spk_0 In this postseason. I always liked them out of pepperedine

spk_0 watching some late night west coast games

spk_0 And I mean he's an incredible defender and you can you can actually score the basketball

spk_0 I don't have this stat up right now, but I feel like a pepperedine last season the average like 18-20 points

spk_0 So I he's a good player. I think people are really gonna be kind of surprised when they see him on bigger stages in these next coming weeks

spk_0 Yeah, I mean if if you can shoot at a just an okay level which he has these shot 36% on

spk_0 You know almost three times the game

spk_0 Um, I really doubt they figured Kessel Argers ever just gonna play 21 minutes game this year. Yeah, but um

spk_0 He's looked fine, you know, and that's all they really need him to do is just hit enough open shots and defend

spk_0 And he'll be

spk_0 Perfectly five perfectly fine as the fifth guy, so

spk_0 Oh, it's not great for me, but you know, it'll be I do eventually like as an NBA fan

spk_0 I'd like to see the nets play as a full team

spk_0 They've you know tonight tonight was there 41st

spk_0 Different starting lineup of this season. Yeah, it's crazy unbelievable

spk_0 Um, that is crazy, but

spk_0 Like the old adage goes you want to be rounding into form when the playoffs come around so

spk_0 They certainly didn't peak too early. That's for sure

spk_0 Looking at the odds to win the east right now

spk_0 The nets are currently the betting favorite at plus 240 the bucks are right behind them at plus 280

spk_0 Sixers are in third plus four 40 heat at plus 500 and Boston at plus 650 before major drop off

spk_0 Do you think that is correct that the nets should be the favorite in the east right now or you think the market's just kind of shifted this way

spk_0 Uh, right now because of the the recent news about Kyrie um

spk_0 I don't know if I make the betting favor especially because they're gonna be

spk_0 They're not gonna have home court for any of these series um

spk_0 I don't know

spk_0 I I if I had to like pick one that I felt the best about

spk_0 I'd go with Milwaukee just because they've been there

spk_0 And you know, they probably had the bet maybe the best player in the conference outwears like at worst the third best player in the conference probably the second best player

spk_0 um

spk_0 And they've you know, they've got most baller stars and they've got pretty good depth now they have proclop has back

spk_0 Um, they should avoid Brooklyn at first round so

spk_0 I would but I would make them the favorite but I have no problem if it's only picked

spk_0 That's the one to find that be I have no issue with it. Yeah, um, so yeah, I think um

spk_0 I think uh as for playoff contenders in the east right now. I think there's three tiers and I think Brooklyn and Milwaukee

spk_0 Are in that tier one then tier two is Philadelphia Miami and Boston and then tier three is like Chicago Cleveland, Toronto

spk_0 Yeah, or they could win a series

spk_0 Maybe maybe maybe if they somehow look into like like the hawks did last year

spk_0 Luck into something crazy could make it to the conference finals, but that's kind of their ceiling

spk_0 um as as someone who's a big Durant fan I am

spk_0 um

spk_0 Glad to see that Kyrie is is ready and playing. I know we talked about the fever. We talked about this offline. I like

spk_0 I'm just I'm just a big Durant fan. I want to see him win um

spk_0 And I like the the nets better than any other team in the east

spk_0 Not only like just purse like I'm not even saying this. I'm not saying this. I like them

spk_0 Like to win which I do, but I'm saying I just like them as a as a team in general

spk_0 I just kind of have gripes against all the other all the other top eastern conference squads which we'll get into later

spk_0 um

spk_0 Any anything else that you want to touch on just kind of looking at the landscape of the east right now

spk_0 As we sit here on March 23rd

spk_0 I tweeted it right before we we started uh

spk_0 It pains me to report that Boston is super legit

spk_0 Like it sucks

spk_0 But man, they're really freaking good. They beat this shit out of the jazz

spk_0 Tonight they won by like 30 points

spk_0 They beat the Warriors last week when Curry was so playing by a lot. They beat the Nuggets by a ton like there

spk_0 They might have the best defense in the NBA now

spk_0 Um, they might have surpassed the Warriors my opinion especially if the Warriors are gonna play Clay Thompson so much

spk_0 Because he's obviously not there

spk_0 um

spk_0 And Jason Tatum playing like an MVP right now

spk_0 Um, he's obviously he's not gonna win it because especially because of how poorly he started the year, but

spk_0 they just

spk_0 It's like everything's clicking at the perfect time

spk_0 And it scares me because it still kind of feels like they don't really have the pressure on them

spk_0 And they're just playing so loose um and I wouldn't expect

spk_0 Uh, you know, they haven't been getting like a ton of media attention either which I'm cool with both like

spk_0 um

spk_0 It doesn't seem like there's enough hype about the Celtics. I mean they might they could feasibly be the first seed

spk_0 It's really not that crazy

spk_0 Um, which is crazy because they were a game under 500 at the end of jane uh near the end of January

spk_0 They were 25 and 26

spk_0 um

spk_0

spk_0 The team that like the roster makes so much sense

spk_0 more so much more sense even though like

spk_0 Really not that different than it was when we were all hating on them, you know, in January like

spk_0 They've only they've added Derek White who I I mean, I loved Derek White

spk_0 But it's not like he's shot super poorly with the Celtics

spk_0 That's really the only weakness of the team is that they can't really shoot outside of

spk_0 uh, uh, you know, Tatum and Brown

spk_0 Like they don't have that much shooting and they like to play two bigs at the same time

spk_0 uh with Williams and Horford and um

spk_0 So if that if they lose is probably going to be that but

spk_0 like I um

spk_0 Super terrified of them and they've completely like

spk_0 Change their outlook

spk_0 Going forward because it was gonna get pretty ugly like if they had a

spk_0 play in season again and uh just flamed out either in the plan or in the first round like

spk_0 Every meal options about that team um because you know, they don't have the assets anymore

spk_0 Um

spk_0 And you know jaylen brown will be a free agent in a year or two so

spk_0 It would have got kind of dicey but right now they're just balling out and it's depressing as hell

spk_0 They beat the sixers by like 50 points

spk_0 In February yeah um and which you know they sixies have hardened or whatever but um

spk_0 Now they're being everyone by like 30 points

spk_0 And every Sunday I gotta go every Sunday night Monday morning

spk_0 I gotta go to the bill seven's pod and for some reason they always play on Sunday

spk_0 At like two o'clock so they always flain

spk_0 Right

spk_0 Right before your chords with Ryan which are like my fate you know are my favorite podcasts in the world

spk_0 They're just so entertaining

spk_0 And but I have to I have to get through the Celtic style

spk_0 Which sucks um but I mean as as an objective NBA podcaster uh

spk_0 They're fucking really good. Yeah, this might be like a super novice take and it it kind of is but just

spk_0 I have to surface level

spk_0 Obviously the Celtics have

spk_0 I mean they've been on the tear like not only winning games, but just absolutely dismantling teams

spk_0 At a at a surface novice level I still just don't

spk_0 fully trust them

spk_0 I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's that they don't have that

spk_0 Calm you down point guard when when things get rough

spk_0 Um, I know Tatum's clutch game numbers have

spk_0 Mightily improved as of late, but I just still have the images of him taking 28

spk_0 Footers that brick off the side of the backboard um and it is it is

spk_0 I'm not a Celtics hater like you so I mean I I don't mind to see them playing this well

spk_0 But just for some reason I can't buy in to a team that we had basically written off two months ago

spk_0 And obviously their play on the court is should completely change that narrative

spk_0 With something in the back of my head even though I'm looking at all the numbers and I'm watching it with my two eyes

spk_0 Something in the back of my head is like

spk_0 I know this team is gonna is gonna falter calm the playoff time

spk_0 Um, I don't know what it is. I like like I said it's a very novice take because all the numbers and the eye test

spk_0 Say different

spk_0 They've been crushing everyone in the east the teams are gonna be playing in the postseason

spk_0 But until I see it happen I don't I don't know what it is I just I I can't I don't trust a

spk_0 smart Tatum Brown

spk_0 lineup I'm not I'm not sure what it really is um

spk_0 For me like I feel like Marcus smart is

spk_0 Developing I kind of feel what you're saying honestly like that's why I'm not like they're gonna fucking win the east

spk_0 100% because they're the hottest team whatever

spk_0 I feel like Marcus smart is finally kind of becoming that guy he had nine assists in the first board is today

spk_0 Um, I feel like he's finally kind of I feel like it took way

spk_0 Longer than it should be of you know like even

spk_0 Most casual NBA fan could watch the bubble when they lost the heat and was like, yeah, what does Marcus smart doing like

spk_0 He's taking these crazy shots when he sucked at shooting

spk_0 I feel like he's finally realized that he needs to be

spk_0 He needs to go full

spk_0 Like game manager mode

spk_0 For this team yeah, and Derek white is kind of like that. I mean he's not like an elite elite passer, but he's

spk_0 You don't just play for a second year. Yeah, he's a great complimentary guard

spk_0 You know like you don't get to play for coach pop with the 20 year in your second season the way he did

spk_0 If you don't see the game and read the game at a certain level

spk_0 um

spk_0 So I feel like having those two guys

spk_0 They still have their starting to play painting excuse me painting preacher a little bit more

spk_0 Yeah, it's kind of starting to get it going. He's kind of that guy that you can trust

spk_0 ah

spk_0 Now defensively you'll get tough and I will see if he shoots well enough, but like

spk_0 I trust and make the right decision with the ball, you know

spk_0 And Tatum's really getting better at making the right decision with the ball

spk_0 Jalen brown still sucks at it, but he's getting a little better

spk_0 It's just like I do agree that they're missed that they could really still benefit from like a true true true point card

spk_0 Yeah, even like I guess he probably won't be playing much next year, but like a rubio

spk_0 You know someone like that that I would trust a little bit more. Yeah, yeah, it's good

spk_0 They might just

spk_0 They might just be good enough defensively and

spk_0 Just barely good enough off that like they're so good to fancy. They might just be just good enough

spk_0 on offense

spk_0 To get through and now they've got

spk_0 Williams is really

spk_0 Grower Williams and Grand Williams honestly, um both of them have been really good

spk_0 For them back-to-back

spk_0 Now like we we should on age a lot at the end of his 10 year, you know

spk_0 But like he took Rower Williams 26th 27th and he took

spk_0 Grand Williams 20th or 24th or 22nd somewhere around there

spk_0 Um and back-to-back drafts

spk_0 And he got good value like they're good rotational big men who compliment their best players

spk_0 Especially Rower Williams like he's yeah, he's like the perfect

spk_0 Kind of does it all for them now

spk_0 when they play

spk_0 Um

spk_0 When they play him beat or yannis especially yannis

spk_0 I'm not feeling great

spk_0 Oh, you know, their their center is either

spk_0 Horthard who has been really good, but you know, I don't think you want to play out Horthard 30 high 30s

spk_0 Minutes again even low 30s at this point and probably really into six eight

spk_0 It could get a little dicey on the boards and could get dicey

spk_0 In one-on-one situations, but the team has a hole like they they're so good that like double teaming and helping and rotating like

spk_0 They might just get by it's it'll be it'll be in really interesting case of I mean obviously they're on an insane heater right now

spk_0 Like insane. This is not how good they're gonna be every game. Yeah, obviously like they're they're on as hot as you can get as a team

spk_0 um

spk_0 But

spk_0 I don't know man. It's just

spk_0 I think I think that worries me is

spk_0 I'm looking at this team and I think they have seven guys that can play in the playoffs

spk_0 And like if you want to run and pitch it out there for 10 minutes. That's eight

spk_0 Um

spk_0 And at that point, I think you need to get I think they're gonna need to get 65 from the Jalen's to win a series

spk_0 Maybe not win eight. That's what smart Tatum Brown

spk_0 Broward Williams Horthard grant Williams

spk_0 White okay. Yeah, so seven there and then Pritchard would be the eighth and then who I mean he Smith isn't getting anywhere on

spk_0 So I mean you brought up a great point facing these big guys in the east

spk_0 um

spk_0 I do well I will I'm curious why you think Yannis would be a tougher matchup because I feel like the tougher matchup

spk_0 Would be someone like and be who can just post up on the block whereas when they have these long

spk_0 these long

spk_0 six

spk_0 Seven six eight wings they can kind of do the the wall type thing against Yannis. I feel like I believe it is like

spk_0 Like now that Yannis has like um

spk_0 Now these gotta like when he was getting walled up the issue was that he didn't have a good point card to play off

spk_0 That kid bait where they can run a picking roll and get Yannis going downhill like that in the half court

spk_0 Um, and then they got drew and obviously it was tough for the wall up right um we saw the finals

spk_0 But I mean the sons are

spk_0 Built to wall against the honest, but they couldn't because you know, they actually had a half-core offense now

spk_0 With Mbid and Bid's gotten

spk_0 Especially, you know, if we look at it from

spk_0 You know last time the sixters played Celtics in the playoffs in the bubble

spk_0 Uh, that was kind of before and Bid made like his MVP caliber leap

spk_0 He's got a lot better at handling double teams

spk_0 but

spk_0 For one whorford is still probably

spk_0 Uh the best mb defender in my opinion just because he's he you can't move him in the post

spk_0 Which is just it's so annoying to watch especially as a guy who had to suffer through watching him on my team and he sucked

spk_0 Um and then he went back to the Celtics and he's been good

spk_0 But he can't move in the post and also like they stun and recover so well on the doubles with smart and with now with they've got white

spk_0 Who's amazing at it

spk_0 And it's just like they with Yannis he's more of like a get downhill

spk_0 Kind of the guy and I feel like

spk_0 He's just kind of

spk_0 He's too big for that but with him be the doubles are are more effective

spk_0 It's like you can't the honest as a post up right like that like a lot the way mb does so it's not as it's not like there's as much um

spk_0 Kind of double team madness going on the way it is with him beed

spk_0 And especially because and be the shooting around and bead is not that dependable at this point right like um

spk_0 Harden's not a

spk_0 Volume catching shoot guy and neither is maxi

spk_0 Um and neither is Tobias and Matisse is a terrible shooter so

spk_0 You know when a bead's gonna kick out

spk_0 It's just I just don't I just don't trust it

spk_0 And but again, neither of them are good at match for the Celtics in that regard um

spk_0 Because guys are just fucking huge and be able to be he'll have to get his mid or if he gets his his jumper going then it's over

spk_0 Then it's over for boss because then it's harder to

spk_0 It's just harder to deal with him

spk_0 um, but like when we saw the last time they played they really got kind of an imbees way

spk_0 In a way that no other team has been able to um basically the last three months of the season like he's been a complete wrecking ball

spk_0 But against the Celtics they were they had so many guys on him but when he kicked out they were so good at recovering

spk_0 Um, so what's I mean we'll see we'll see yeah, I would just say um

spk_0 Um

spk_0 Right now and this is kind of like the height of the Celtics. I would still take Milwaukee over them in a series

spk_0 I'd still take Brooklyn over them in a series and then I'd really have to think about Miami and Philadelphia

spk_0 I'd probably lean Philadelphia over them in the series as well

spk_0 um and so I mean that's three teams that I'd take over them and then uh obviously up Miami and Chicago right there so um

spk_0 I mean good on them though from where they were two months ago. Definitely pretty insane insane run

spk_0 I do I do really think though that um

spk_0 To win series against the top of the east the jaylin's are gonna have to combine for

spk_0 Like 60 65 points a game

spk_0 Um, I know their defenses is all worldly but

spk_0 Still I don't know. I don't know. I got I think Jason Tatum's gonna have to continue

spk_0 This is sent if they want to go

spk_0 They want to go to where they're trying to go which obviously we've heard bill talk. He's starting to

spk_0 He's starting to play in his may around a long Celtics run so goofball um

spk_0 Yeah, that'll be uh that'll be interesting storyline to watch uh the NBA media

spk_0 So now let's switch over to kind of um the talking about

spk_0 uh the 2022 playoffs and possible

spk_0 Legacy storylines so you wrote a piece titled who will write the story of the 2022 NBA season

spk_0 It is linked in the description. Why don't you just kind of go over uh what you touched on in this piece and what you're kind of trying to uh

spk_0 Kind of portray with it

spk_0 So basically I just

spk_0 You know looking at the last couple of years of the league there was obviously I mean

spk_0 Pandemic hit obviously

spk_0 Um right in the middle of the season so that kind of threw everything for a loop for the NBA

spk_0 They had to start last season late they condensed the season

spk_0 they've had uh

spk_0 They had a major COVID outbreak last year and then they had it again this year earlier in the season

spk_0 So it's been just kind of weird fans weren't

spk_0 All the way back in stadium last year. I mean by the playoffs most stadiums were allowing like

spk_0 almost full capacity

spk_0 um

spk_0 And everything but it just didn't feel the same even when you were just watching on tv like they had spaced out benches and everything it was just weird

spk_0 But I feel like now we're kind of back to normal and I feel like the NBA is in a pretty good spot where there's so many teams that

spk_0 Can win it all there's so many guys that are at different points of their careers that have a chance to win it all um and I feel like um

spk_0 You know with in terms of legacy stuff. I feel like there are a lot of guys that can basically reshape

spk_0 their entire

spk_0 Like how or remember them and how or remember this season

spk_0 Based off how they play in the postseason. Um, so the three that I kind of headlined in the article

spk_0 Where the nets and mostly Kevin Durant um because it's obviously if if Kevin Durant leads

spk_0 Forklin to a title or just any really any deep run like past the conference finals

spk_0 Or two to conference finals or you know into the finals

spk_0 That will be a huge for his legacy because you know, he hasn't

spk_0 He won two titles of the Warriors they he got hurt his last year

spk_0 And then last year he was pretty close and like for me

spk_0 I treat last year like that's a holy grail for me

spk_0 What he was doing especially you know from game five on

spk_0 I'm not I'm not really like a huge Katie Hader like that like I don't really dislike him

spk_0 I thought he I just hated that anyone's of the words obviously

spk_0 Um, but what he was doing at the end of that series was insane and it's crazy that you know if he just

spk_0 Has his foot behind the line like half an inch

spk_0 The the last you know the the box are done

spk_0 Every it's just completely different right um maybe Kyrie comes back into the conference finals

spk_0 Maybe Harden has more time to rest for the conference finals. They make the finals who knows

spk_0 um

spk_0 Before the you know the average talking head

spk_0 You know, we're watching first saver watching first things first whatever

spk_0 Um him going on a huge row would be massive

spk_0 For the anti-KV crowd

spk_0 And then I wrote about um

spk_0 The Sixers and their trio of Harden and ambide and dock rivers and how they've all kind of had

spk_0 They all have a lot riding on this year

spk_0 Especially to be Harden and Rivers. I mean the beat is in his prime and he'll you know

spk_0 Obviously he's always at the injury risk, but he'll have

spk_0 You know

spk_0 Hopefully we'll have more chances past this year, but Harden's getting up there and dock river is is on

spk_0 His 13 or 14 in the NBA now um and third this the third time he's had like a really stacked team

spk_0 And they wanted all in Boston

spk_0 But it didn't go out with the Clippers with multiple different interarion thruster and last year

spk_0 Obviously was a disaster

spk_0 So he's got a lot of pressure on him

spk_0 A deep run could obviously like

spk_0 Co-especially with with Harden's career like completely

spk_0 Re-shape how people think about him and then I ended off with your boy Chris Paul

spk_0 Because again like to me as someone who watches a ton of NBA and you know

spk_0 Thanks about this stuff more than anybody should to me last year kind of was this year for Chris Paul

spk_0 um

spk_0 Just the whole year really the whole year and really the last two years for

spk_0 Paul have been huge for his legacy

spk_0 Because once he got traded to okay see it was like people were done with Chris Paul

spk_0 People were like oh, well he got you know

spk_0 They had to attach picks to get off him for brus, which is laughable in retrospect

spk_0 but um

spk_0 People are like oh, he's just gonna go to the thunder and that way he's gonna remember him and then he got that thunder

spk_0 We're gonna tank and then they won like 40

spk_0 They have like a 48 win pace, you know, if the season ended normal 48 or 49 wins

spk_0 They almost won a series that he could he

spk_0 You know, he like

spk_0 He showed a certain level of like professionalism and everything in that year and then it put him in position to get the Phoenix

spk_0 Where they've been in hell for 10 years basically before the bubble

spk_0 They had a nice little run and then it was like a perfect match for these two team these two you know things that are

spk_0 These two parties that are looking to like finally take a step forward and he got the sons

spk_0 The what they were the second sea last year and they

spk_0 Really, I mean

spk_0 Kind of ran through the west there wasn't really a super tense moment for the sons outside of like maybe in the first round

spk_0 He was hurt and they were down to one

spk_0 Um and but the thing is like the way it ended

spk_0 Was obviously not great right but

spk_0 For me once he got to the finals. I was like you know, this is my I've always like Chris Paul even though I think he's kind of a good ball in the courts

spk_0 Sometimes I love Chris Paul

spk_0 Um, I know I joke with you about it, but I do really like Chris Paul

spk_0 So I was like super happy that he made the finals, but the way it ended was tough

spk_0 You know, they lost four straight in the finals after going up too well. So

spk_0 Right now like he's on the best team in the NBA by far

spk_0 They should be the clear favorite to anybody who's been watching um, excuse my phone

spk_0 and

spk_0 If he wins this year like it'll really cement him as a true true like maybe top 20 guy

spk_0 Honestly like

spk_0 He's what he's doing. He's 37. It's ridiculous what he's doing. So

spk_0 And that and there's like so many more so much more I probably could have written about about all these different guys around the league

spk_0 I just think it's gonna be really interesting this year

spk_0 Yeah, really interesting. Yeah, um I think every year it it obviously it

spk_0 Like how could the how could this player's legacy be shaped by a ring but like you said this year seems like

spk_0 It's just tenfold where there's so many different scenarios that are actually possible

spk_0 That could kind of affect how we look back on players 10 15

spk_0 20 50 years from now

spk_0 um, so I agree with with everything he said as

spk_0 Previously stated I'm a big Kevin Durant fan. So I really

spk_0 Uh want to see him get a ring that's not in Golden State

spk_0 So that that would be

spk_0 That would be nice and obviously he has what it takes to carry a team to the finals

spk_0 If his feet were two sizes smaller you couldn't

spk_0 Of lifted the dang trophy last year

spk_0 Um, and with like what you said with Chris Pogge he's what 37 now so he's the one in May

spk_0 He's the one where it's like it's the most urgent

spk_0 Because he's in the best position to win

spk_0 Uh his first title this year and it always feels like it is a little more urgent no matter how old you are when you're looking for that first one

spk_0 Uh because he doesn't have anything to kind of fall back on so uh yeah in that sense

spk_0 I think it would be uh legacy defining it he can

spk_0 Right now he's in the debates with Isaiah Thomas and magic about who's the best point card of all time and

spk_0 I think he can I mean he's gonna

spk_0 I feel like the people who who say Isaiah is better than him will stand by that take just because they're kind of the old heads

spk_0 But uh it's such a it's a I mean, I like Isaiah, but like come on

spk_0 Yeah, um, but if Paul can just get that ring uh

spk_0 And you really don't have anything to kind of joke about him at his expense with uh a couple other guys that just

spk_0 um

spk_0 Obviously you said you could have mentioned a lot more and I mean we could go down literally every team and pick out

spk_0 Five players that it it would affect

spk_0 uh, I think if Steph can somehow bring this Warriors team and uh bring home

spk_0 Another championship

spk_0 That would be this would be the one where

spk_0 Unless

spk_0 Clay and Dremond all of a sudden are 110 percent

spk_0 This would be the one where it's like hey Steph. This is completely on your shoulders

spk_0 You went through a tough west and

spk_0 beat another team coming out of the east that

spk_0 I mean I my point is that I think it would cement Steph as you know, probably a top top 10 player all time

spk_0 Which he might already be but to to condo say hey you did it yourself that'd be huge

spk_0 And this might be the last he's getting to the point where he's not gonna be able to carry

spk_0 Uh like that obviously the ankle injury

spk_0 Is tough and that's going to

spk_0 Kind of limit that that those chances we'll get we'll get to that in a later pod

spk_0 But if you could somehow do that that'd be huge

spk_0 Um just looking at guys who don't have a ring yet who are younger

spk_0 Uh, not I mean not even younger. I think uh

spk_0 For Yoke at your imbeid

spk_0 I mean they're two of the most skilled big men of all time and what they're still both in their late 20s

spk_0 Uh, but big men don't I mean

spk_0 Both of them I guess you can't would so if I this is off topic so just answer pretty quickly if I said imbeid

spk_0 Are you still worried about imbeid obviously you're still worried about imbeid's body

spk_0 But is it as big of an issue as it was like two years ago like are you like in the back of your mind right now

spk_0 Are you thinking oh shit? I really hope joelle doesn't like there's a chance you might go down in the next couple weeks

spk_0 Is that still

spk_0 Thought come into your mind?

spk_0 It will always be yeah

spk_0 Even last year last year felt like kind of

spk_0 The shift because he got in really good shape. He's been in really good shape the last few years

spk_0 Um, and he has a habit of

spk_0 Doing these massive dogs

spk_0 Or massive chase down blocks where he just doesn't or attempting to do a massive chase down block where he just doesn't need to

spk_0 Yeah, he's gotten better at it over the past few years like when he first kind of league it was like every single

spk_0 He was going full throw. Oh every single play um

spk_0 And he's gotten better at it, but there's still these moments like last year he tours in mischus

spk_0 In game four of the wizard series is going after a kind of meaningless chase down block

spk_0 They're up 3-0 it was the first quarter like you got it easy

spk_0 Uh, and he also got her earlier that season dunking on some super random

spk_0 Fucking big man on the wizards who even I don't remember who was um

spk_0 He did some huge poster and then he came down he had a bone bruise in his knee and he missed three weeks

spk_0 And it caused him MVP honestly he would have won MVP if he played

spk_0 You know 68 at a 72 games because he was on the first seed in the end of the season

spk_0 um

spk_0 So yeah, I'll always have that lingering in my head

spk_0 Yeah, yeah, which is why which is why um

spk_0 To me like that was the argument you have to get hardened right now even if he says

spk_0 He communicates that he wants to sign here in the offseason and you can give up less than June

spk_0 Doesn't matter

spk_0 Especially now that kai rees back like maybe if

spk_0 Imagine hard and was still there kai rees back all the vibes are good. They

spk_0 Roll for the east you think gardens gonna leave probably not yeah, so that's why it was big

spk_0 You get him because again and beads like

spk_0 Uh

spk_0 Credit to him for he's been way healthier than I ever imagined him being

spk_0 You know last four or five years and he's still had a bunch of interest. Yeah

spk_0 But um

spk_0 Yeah, they don't always be there he'll play his most games probably ever this year

spk_0 Um, he'll probably play like upper sixties low seventies, which is great, but

spk_0 Yeah, it'll always be yeah, I mean that makes that makes sense for big guys that play with that ferocity

spk_0 Who I've had that's why I'm jealous of

spk_0 You know

spk_0 Yoke it's like he doesn't even jump. Yeah, yeah, it is so it's like I've now I can't even not I mean, you know

spk_0 Not gonna wouldn't everything. I don't want to get him hurt or whatever

spk_0 But I can't even imagine him getting hurt with anything lower bond. He doesn't move quick. He doesn't move fast enough

spk_0 It's like he's perfectly, you know, he's perfectly fine. Just the challenge on the ground. Yeah, he's always on balance

spk_0 Uh, just just to

spk_0 Final three kind of team slash players and then we'll move on uh, I'd like to see tomorrow get one

spk_0 You know, he just got shipped off

spk_0 Uh, this is uh, this is probably I mean, this is the best chance since he's been traded from Toronto

spk_0 And obviously they won right after they shipped them all so it'd be nice to see him kind of win one

spk_0 With that being said

spk_0 Noted not a fan of Chicago so um and then Utah which they're gonna be a major offseason storyline team

spk_0 Depending what happens in the playoffs

spk_0 Um, I don't think they have what it takes, but I mean don't what's gonna happen with Donovan Mitchell

spk_0 I don't really want to see them win one

spk_0 But they're at they're at a point here where if they go down in the first round

spk_0 Uh, to say Dallas or Denver or something

spk_0 There's major problems up there in warm and country and then finally

spk_0 Just a completely different storyline would be if Luca could get one at this young of an age

spk_0 And then just kind of what trajectory it sets him on

spk_0 Uh, if he gets one now and obviously I we think he's gonna be playing at a pretty high level for the next decade plus

spk_0 Uh, kind of how many can he get

spk_0 I don't think the mavericks are in a position really where they're gonna be contending

spk_0 But I mean they're gonna be a playoff team so you never know with a talent like Luca

spk_0 So that'd be that'd be interesting. I guess you could put John that same category for these young

spk_0 Yeah, I mentioned jock for for me. It's like John will be

spk_0 Playing one time obviously big grisies and the grisies aren't gonna go anywhere

spk_0 Um, they just talk so much

spk_0 Yeah, which you know, I'm here for it, but maybe I'd be back it up

spk_0 I think they will honestly like I think they're gonna make

spk_0 I think that I worse try to make the second round um, which would be Bayford

spk_0 But yeah, they got they've got a lot. I mean he they should talk and we're brawn. They're should talk to everyone

spk_0 All the time, you know, and if they've only got one real real star on the team like you know J. J. J.

spk_0 Great things great love being so much. He's like one of my pair players, but um

spk_0 They got you know, they still haven't done anything yet. Yeah, one cloud game so far

spk_0 They got to back up the talk it gets to a point where it's like kind of just

spk_0 You know, it's fun at first especially because a bunch of young guys, but uh, they got to like he said shut up and back it up um

spk_0 Yeah, we can move on now uh

spk_0 To you brought up this segment. I'm definitely a fan of it uh, we're both

spk_0 We're both uh pretty big haters just in general. So this segment's gonna

spk_0 Gonna be pretty good for us. Uh, we'll try to limit it because you know, we could have a two-hour pod on this alone

spk_0 but um, basically we're just listening

spk_0 listing

spk_0 Unlikable players and kind of guys that have gotten under our skin for whatever reason and uh

spk_0 Who we I hate is a strong term. So we'll go with uh dislike, but

spk_0 Uh, yeah, I didn't order mine. I'm just I just have guys. So I'm gonna throw out and

spk_0 And he can just we can just like a like a comedy central rose to you can just riff on them

spk_0 Uh, I'm gonna start I'm gonna start with

spk_0 With a guy who is probably if I did order this list he would be at the top

spk_0 Uh, and it's pad Beverly

spk_0 Ah, okay, okay. He's a menace. He's a he's a menace and

spk_0 Part of me

spk_0 respects the way he plays

spk_0 But then right when I

spk_0 Right when I'm just turning to start respecting it

spk_0 He's doing some shit like getting in the other team's huddle or making these weird hand motions to a ref

spk_0 Like he's just like a little nat on your side and he won't go away and he's always talking and he's always complaining and

spk_0 Like he he could

spk_0 Absolute he could kill a guy on court and he's going up

spk_0 And saying yeah, review it review it review it like dude

spk_0 Come on like it gets comical to a point uh, it was ramped up when the sums are playing the Clippers

spk_0 So a lot of the a lot of these guys that have listed um personal vendetta's kind of help put them on this list

spk_0 That's what pat bev um

spk_0 If if he's on a team that you're rooting for or if he's on a team that like say you're rooting against the team and pat bev's going against them

spk_0 You love it because he's just pissing off the opponent

spk_0 When he's going against your team or you're just a neutral fan watching a game. I cannot cannot stand in

spk_0 Yeah, I mean he's like the textbook level one is on your team hate him when he's on the team. Yeah exactly

spk_0 But he'd be

spk_0 Patriot and dictionary I

spk_0 I'm pretty pro pat bev now he's always been

spk_0 Out west so like I never really it's not like I would ever you ever play six or the playoffs or whatever

spk_0 Yeah

spk_0 You know if he pushed my favorite player in the back when they were about to go to the finals I'd be pretty

spk_0 Yeah, but like I can't can I mean obviously I don't

spk_0 Look with the dirty plays and he

spk_0 All pretty much potentially like toward rust

spk_0 Westbrook in the up like 10 years ago. Yeah, which is pretty wack like that shit's lame

spk_0 Um, I think he's so fucking funny thing like the city was in a LeBron was so funny. Yeah

spk_0 Oh my god, but I get it I get I get it

spk_0 Uh, but I mean he's been my guy. I like him. I think he's hilarious. He's on the wolves like he's just so random

spk_0 But now they're kind of good. So just funny

spk_0 All right, that's fair. That's fair. I can respect that

spk_0 All right, uh, I did have a ranking by me. I can I can riff too, but um

spk_0 Number one for me is gotta be a little broad

spk_0 I fucking hate will bro

spk_0 And I used to be pretty pro LeBron like I was this yeah as a as a but thinking I like as a player

spk_0 I am so I'm like overly pro LeBron. He's like I think he's

spk_0 You know people are weirdly underestimated in this player

spk_0 Um, I just hate the circus that's always around him now

spk_0 Like it's just so

spk_0 Like there's always been a circus around him, but now it's like he's playing too much into it where it's like

spk_0 First of all, he's a walking ad which I know like every player is walking ad

spk_0 But now he's like in the post game press conference saying like oh yeah, I go home and I have my fucking tequila

spk_0 Which you know, he has a big tequila company now. He's like oh yeah, I either have a glass of wine or a glass of

spk_0 Fucking glass like there's no way you're having a glass of tequila

spk_0 You know, if you're a little brum that would your 37 like there's no way if you're putting like I'm sorry. There's no way you're doing that to your body

spk_0 um

spk_0 And like the

spk_0 You know when he takes over all start weekend to start making about him

spk_0 When he's back in Cleveland and he's talking about his fucking son

spk_0 It's just like lame man. It's just lame to me. I hate how he telegraphs everything he's gonna do

spk_0 Like it makes it so boring

spk_0 When he's telegraphing for a year he's gonna go that I was I salty didn't go the six years. Yeah

spk_0 um

spk_0 I would love to have my team. I don't like those people who are like oh, he's gonna trade all your young players and the

spk_0 You win championships. So like why would I care?

spk_0 um, but like he telegraph for a year he was gonna go to the Lakers

spk_0 He kind of start he has these like weird exits from these teams like he had a weird exit in Miami

spk_0 It was just kind of like awkward at the end

spk_0 Because like he you know how float out of text to windy

spk_0 Who will go on the hoop collect the podcast and be like oh well bronze

spk_0 considering

spk_0 building a

spk_0 Fucking new city outside of Cleveland and he's gonna give every kid six iPads and he's gonna dominate the calves and I'm just like

spk_0 Shut up windy. Yeah, like and then when he's like don't aggregate. Don't aggregate. Nobody's told me this

spk_0 I'm just definitely rich Paul definitely isn't actually this and I hate I hate rich Paul

spk_0 um

spk_0 Yeah, actually I don't hate rich Paul actually because rich Paul does what his client asks for too

spk_0 You know, he's he's just like public like he obviously is good agent

spk_0 Whether people want to admit or not. He's just he does what is he's good at leverage. He does what he's hired to do

spk_0 Yeah, I can't hate him for a rich Paul, you know

spk_0 Yeah, good for him, but like I hate and I hate the LeBron medium off you like nick right sucks

spk_0 Fucking shan fun. I haven't seen anything. I feel like I haven't seen nick

spk_0 I know Nick Wright is still on my first things first or whatever. I used to be all over my twitter timeline

spk_0 I feel like I haven't seen him. I've seen him a lot, but the thing is he's kind of pivoting to Haiti, you know, and yogic

spk_0 Um, which you know, I'm here for new take his he's like pro. He's like the pro mb guy

spk_0 At Fox or wherever fuck he is. Okay, but yeah with LeBron. It's like

spk_0 Respect the player. I think he's like I don't know if he's go. I don't like having that debate. Yeah

spk_0 But I know you think he's yeah

spk_0 Um, I just I just it just feels phony to me. You know, I take on this is um, I do so I do think he's to go and

spk_0 um, so I do one of my cousins uh, who's

spk_0 About five years older than me is a dot is one of those LeBron sexuals die hard LeBron Finn

spk_0 Like posting every time LeBron sets a new record posting about it

spk_0 And I think it gets once it gets to a point like that where like everything LeBron does they're like

spk_0 Everyone's like, yo, look at this. Look at this. Look at you have to look at this like respect this like yo

spk_0 I do respect it like I think LeBron is the goat, but like

spk_0 Relax, you know like I saw I mean like he's torpedoed two of his four Lakers season

spk_0 Yeah

spk_0 Well, not not him. I mean, I mean this year I don't really blame yeah the first year with Lakers

spk_0 He does not get enough shit that like I mean, that was yeah, she's show

spk_0 No, not because of his play. It's not a play that it was like the whole

spk_0 Like it was so obvious that once he got there and he's obviously the GM like obvious

spk_0 Well, there's no reason to pretend that oh yeah, they trade it for us

spk_0 They were there were no way it was LeBron like well, he's too smart for that. It was like as soon as he got there

spk_0 Everyone knew and the same thing happened Cleveland everybody knew David Blatt wasn't this guy

spk_0 Right he starts leaking it to the he takes a fucking two-week break in the middle of the season takes steroids

spk_0 goes my any whatever

spk_0 When the heat when the clouds were like under 500 and then they go to the finals whatever

spk_0 I don't care if it takes steroids. I think he's on steroids, but like I think everyone without steroids. I don't really care

spk_0 Um, but like he goes to the calves he makes it known that Tyler loses guy

spk_0 He's gonna get Tyler in the middle of the fucking season after they went to the finals and you know worked whatever

spk_0 With the with the Lakers like he starts leaking in the media that

spk_0 Luke's not the guy which again

spk_0 Good decision Luke Luke what it was obviously not that guy

spk_0 But he starts leaking like the 80s shit start like obviously the 80s shit. He's on the same

spk_0 Uh, they're on the same agency like 80s size of clutch and then all of a sudden

spk_0 It's like LeBron starts speaking super highly of AD and it's very obvious that he wanted to trade increment Wanzo and hard

spk_0 Incuse me whatever and it's like how could you play with that? I mean, it's not like they're all adults, but like

spk_0 That sucks like I wait that's just that's it sucks like

spk_0 I'm gonna be fun. Yeah, it definitely wouldn't it wouldn't be fun. I don't really um

spk_0 I don't be grudge him for that

spk_0 For that stuff like

spk_0 I what I do be grudge him for is him pretending that he's not like involved in this stuff. Yeah, dude

spk_0 I hate that's the price of play it off. Yeah, that's crazy. That stuff is annoying the the actual fact that he's getting these guys

spk_0 Traded I don't have a problem with that. I don't have an issue with either. I would I mean it's a smart decision

spk_0 They should in 80 was this fucking there. I mean this is yeah, I think all the narrative that's being spun that like they shouldn't have got

spk_0 AD and it was a mistake and they gave up to like shot

spk_0 Yeah, they won the finals and AD when he's playing and when he's healthy. I get he's had a weird year

spk_0 He's like an unbelievable player who was like 26 or 25 when they got him

spk_0 It's the stupidest day and he fits perfectly with the problem like it's the stupidest shit of ever heard and I'm on the 80 fan

spk_0 um

spk_0 I just think his vibe sucks, but he's I think he's an amazing player

spk_0 But yeah, anyway, yeah, that's my that's my LeBron. Yeah, so I could never say like I hate LeBron

spk_0 It's he's definitely gone in a negative direction for me just like with like are you said like all the hoopla on stuff and like

spk_0 When he went back to the calves I'm I'm desperate. I don't know by like was I don't know

spk_0 I don't know what's happened my brain, but like I remember vividly

spk_0 That he did like some press conference or something when he went back to the calves and was like I'm not going anywhere

spk_0 Well, I and that's why I was like there's no way he leaves a cast. There's no way he's he's yeah

spk_0 I don't blame guys for doing that either. I don't blame it for leaving either. I just you know once he went back to the calves

spk_0 I was like okay

spk_0 He's back

spk_0 Yeah, and once they won the finals like I don't think that the fourth

spk_0 I mean, it's great that he won the finals right and the calves were in a shitty situation in 2018

spk_0 So like I don't blame anyone for leaving any of these teams, especially you know

spk_0 What we're seeing with all these four sonar they all suck. I don't really care like these guys leave

spk_0 but

spk_0 It was weird that like he made a big show about going back to the calves and then he left for you

spk_0 Yeah, no see I'm no, I'm not I'm not with that at all

spk_0 I think he should be praised for going back to the calves and winning. No, he should be praised for going back to the calves

spk_0 That was amazing. Oh, I think his goal his goal is to go win a title and then leave that's so weird

spk_0 That's who the fuck thinks like that. That's so weird

spk_0 I think I think because it's his hometown team. It's where he was drafted. They haven't one shit

spk_0 It's a shitty city shitty. Why would why would his goal be to win and then dip like he wants to

spk_0 You want to

spk_0 In a bigger market where people

spk_0 He's the he will do if he's on your team your team is a big market. It doesn't you can't want it to go to a big market team

spk_0 Yeah, I get it like fine fine

spk_0 What's your saying? Why do you want to stay in Cleveland?

spk_0 Dude, it's a little shit live bottom row city in the United States. I don't disagree

spk_0 But my point is if you're Lebron any city you go to is gonna be fucking amazing

spk_0 Living the highest quality life

spk_0 Cleveland is 30 in rainy all year and LA has all these stars and entertainers and you're playing in front of jack

spk_0 Nickel, Nicholas. I get it. Jack Nicholson

spk_0 Like the aura of going to the Lakers. He so this is this is where I'm not saying okay, that's fine

spk_0 He has different goals than other players because that's fine

spk_0 And I guess one one of those goals is

spk_0 Well, you want to go to out to LA with that move out to LA wasn't all basketball related obviously not

spk_0 I hated the people that were like it's only fucking like career

spk_0 Yeah inside of basketball related that was stupid the Lakers were in a good position to get better

spk_0 The attitude is basically on players and everything

spk_0 I think that I think that a lot of the

spk_0 A lot of the problem I have with the Lebron stuff now is that just like everything in the world

spk_0 It's so extreme both ways

spk_0 Yeah, I don't like I mean I don't hate Lebron. I know I'm listening number one. I don't like

spk_0 I'm not one of these guys that's gonna go on fucking his comments and comment like all the Mickey

spk_0 It was it was Mickey Mouse championship. Yeah, okay Disney that's just that's just so weird and it like ruined Twitter, but

spk_0 Just let all right. Well end on this with Lebron. Just legacy-wise

spk_0 Wouldn't it be way cooler

spk_0 If he just wrote it out with Cleveland for like the last 10 years of his career

spk_0 Yeah, anybody care about Lakers Lebron like that. No, no, I think it'd be way cooler, but his hot like he

spk_0 He didn't want to raise his children in Cleveland. He didn't want to live dude. He didn't want to live in shite Cleveland

spk_0 Do you understand how shitty I get Cleveland

spk_0 But it's also like if you're Lebron James

spk_0 Why would you care about what people think about you?

spk_0 You don't have to be there like eight years it being cool to finish your career out in Cleveland

spk_0 No, I wouldn't care. I don't blame him for making those like I again. I'm not like you made it

spk_0 Yeah, it's like it's cool

spk_0 It's way cooler that Tim Duncan played his whole career in San Antonio. Yeah, I think I think once he left the first time

spk_0 It just completely at that point it doesn't really matter see I I kind of agree with that

spk_0 But he was also kind of like spinning it especially when he worked that letter and everything he was spinning it like yo

spk_0 Miami was just like college for

spk_0 It was yeah, yeah, like that was like okay, I can I can fight with that and he's like I'm back in my hometown

spk_0 Uh, well again million times. Don't blame he took in the four straight files. They should never speak down ever on a thing

spk_0 I don't care how courted he is. No, but see no you're this is but you're saying things and then you're completely gone

spk_0 No, no, no, no again like my point is I just think it was it was just

spk_0 Weird

spk_0 And for me, I would have liked it more if he stayed and that's the good thing

spk_0 I was obviously

spk_0 Also, I will say that if the Lakers have like I think they would have won the finals in 2020 even if the season didn't stop

spk_0 I think if they would have won

spk_0 Like a normal championship

spk_0 It would be like a different no, no, no, no, I don't not from I don't think it's like less

spk_0 Yeah, I know, but I don't think they less deserve it or whatever

spk_0 The same

spk_0 Yeah, but I think if they won like a normal like an impact crowd at stables and

spk_0 Uh, the parade and everything like everything that goes with it

spk_0 I think it I think people would talk about it in a different way. I feel like Lakers fans kind of feel like

spk_0 Like obviously they're dumb lit that they won the title, but I feel like

spk_0 It they kind of feel like damn we didn't even like get the robot. I agree with that. I think that's that's a fair point

spk_0 But I was calm

spk_0 Of hate would still be there because those people you can't change your mind

spk_0 So I'll go on another guy that would would have been number one on my list

spk_0 Like maybe even like a year or two ago

spk_0 Um, but he's actually started kind of starting to grow on me and maybe it's

spk_0 So I mean, I'm gonna knock on wood when I say this, but like maybe it's because he hasn't played that much and

spk_0 Um, if if the sun's end up playing this team in the west, I'm gonna hate him

spk_0 It's gonna go right back up the number one on my list, but

spk_0 Um, and I've kind of liked what he's been doing on tnt and stuff, but Dremond is

spk_0 I used to I used to violently hate this man like five years ago

spk_0 Um, and it's slowly started to dwindle

spk_0 Um, but like I said that it could be flared up in a playoffs series because this dude

spk_0 He's like pop-up a bigger and better

spk_0 So yeah, I don't just I mean

spk_0 He just shit talks all day every day if he's on your team. He'd love him because

spk_0 He's a great team player and he does the dirty work

spk_0 Literally the dirty work. He's a dirty player and he complains is asked off

spk_0 Um

spk_0 And yeah, he's just kind of kind of annoying, but

spk_0 Like I said, he's kind of switched the narrative on himself for me. I've kind of like I've actually

spk_0 enjoyed his time on tnt of going into it with a level-headed mindset

spk_0 Which the first couple years he did it. I didn't have that mindset

spk_0 But lately I did and I actually enjoyed him and I think he's gonna be

spk_0 A good fit when he does retire, but

spk_0 There are times in Dremond green just eat

spk_0 I just

spk_0 Yeah, what when when when making this list I kind of thought of people that I rude against the most

spk_0 And he is right up there. There's a time when I I rude it against him very very hard

spk_0 I respect his I respect I respect

spk_0 That he's a good he's a good player I respect that but

spk_0 He's just annoying

spk_0 Yeah, I'm Stanley johns at 13 points in the first six

spk_0 um

spk_0 Yeah, I used to be with you. I used to fuck I used to hate Jury month so much um

spk_0 I think like you he once he gets a little more media training under his belt

spk_0 He's gonna be like an amazing tnt guy

spk_0 He's already pretty good when he's on especially when he's because he's so good at actually analyzing the game

spk_0 And he's funny and he says stupid shit

spk_0 Yeah, like when he when he told them booker to get out of the

spk_0 Forever yeah, that was like it was like after they had been good like I was like what do you do? Yeah, he's just mad about

spk_0 um

spk_0 I do think

spk_0 He's pretty corny a lot of the times

spk_0 um

spk_0 He's it's like

spk_0 I remember during the 2019 finals

spk_0 um when they really it's like they really need him

spk_0 To like with Katie out and I think it was the game that one of the games that Clay missed earlier in the series

spk_0 And I remember he like

spk_0 Was racking up tax the whole series and he was actually like a kid and I was like dude

spk_0 You're like in your fucking eighth year in the league. You're like an adult now

spk_0 You can't be getting exactly your costs in your team's points and I remember it wasn't even like god damn this. How's fucking one?

spk_0 Um the under did not 35 35 and 14 Jesus and they were trying to after three quarters. It's crazy

spk_0 um, but yeah, it's just like the complaining is annoying like he's

spk_0 In all-time complainer, but he did that to me like he makes it the league more fun

spk_0 um, and I love the way he plays like so much so

spk_0 um

spk_0 Yeah, I'm with you though. I'm with you. Uh, Dre is not fun. Dre. Dre is fun, but he's not

spk_0 He's not my guy like that like I can definitely vibe with not not like in dry mom

spk_0 um

spk_0 All right, so what about next is it shouldn't be surprising at all

spk_0 obviously with everything is going on

spk_0 big old uh, symbol of the savage Ben Simmons 25

spk_0 Um, pretty self-explanatory obviously, but like even if I was a neutral

spk_0 I don't get what is so cool about Ben Simmons at this point that he has these like stands

spk_0 Um, what she does, you know like he's never been a cool person out. He's never had any person out

spk_0 Um, outside of like being a gamer like like not a not all in the court gamer apparently, but like

spk_0 You know video games like he's in phase climate shit

spk_0 Uh, he's also an NFT guy now which just helps me dislike the more um

spk_0 But he's you know, I he's just

spk_0 He's just not cool and he thinks he's so cool. He thinks he's the coolest dude ever

spk_0 Like ever

spk_0 When he's actually the opposite of the coolest dude ever

spk_0 Um, and I of course I'm biased, but like again, I don't get what

spk_0 How anyone could like really be like, yo, that's my guy and they watch him like pass up dunks

spk_0 And wide open dunks and games seven of the playoffs and they watch him like just pass the ball to the post and like

spk_0 disappear

spk_0 And not move and then let's like walk around like you're like

spk_0 He heard that he was like babe LeBron once

spk_0 And he was like yo, I'm LeBron

spk_0 Like this me. I'm signed a clutch. I'm LeBron's got LeBron like even LeBron has like faded away

spk_0 From because he used to like gas the shit out of Ben Simmons

spk_0 He was like, oh, it's my little bro. Oh, that's the that's the fresh prince or ever they call them

spk_0 And then like you can see even LeBron's like starting to move like away from it

spk_0 Yeah, I think he's I know you kind of fuck with him um, I just don't I just don't I mean

spk_0 I didn't like the way it happened to LSU. I was like and I you know, I like

spk_0 If you obviously I like to when he was playing when he was in you know, good Ben Simmons mode

spk_0 I respected how hard he played on defense

spk_0 Which is always weird to me that somebody who's obviously like on the court basketball was

spk_0 He's obviously soft, right like he doesn't take criticism well. He doesn't want to adjust

spk_0 But like he plays like a dog on defense. Yeah, and pissed me off to no end. I mean, I appreciated it

spk_0 You know, he made the defense really good, but like I was like dude you have it in you you're 610 and jacked a shit

spk_0 And you you have like handles and can pass

spk_0 It's not it's not that hard to get that is it like douche

spk_0 It's like certain shit that it doesn't even he doesn't even want to be aggressive going to the basket. I'm like dude

spk_0 Which I don't know I get it

spk_0 I think I mean it makes sense why you don't like him, but I think you more don't like him because like

spk_0 You you knew it's like more like disappointment

spk_0 Yeah, it's huge disappointment, but it's also like okay. I was disappointed in him. Yeah, no, I just play outs, right yeah everyone won after really after game 5 once he

spk_0 They blew the 26 point lead

spk_0 Um everybody was doing Ben Simmons even after they won game 6 they were still like

spk_0 Fuck Ben Simmons even though we won even if they had won game 7 they'd still be like, yeah, we gotta get out of here

spk_0 Yeah, which you know they easily could have won that game even with how we played

spk_0 And if you know if he had just like after the press conferences everything

spk_0 It was like he handed himself well. I'm like okay, you know, I wanted to get traded. I don't hate him whatever

spk_0 And then like I would even understand why he would kind of want to sit out

spk_0 They're in the season because like if you know your teams trying to trade you for fucking months

spk_0 And then you also were like told them hey, I mean, I think it'd be best if I was traded. I was like that's fine

spk_0 That's cool

spk_0 Every player deserves to be able to do that whatever it was obviously like it's logical

spk_0 But to then like show up to practice and then not give a shit at practice lame as hell

spk_0 I don't know man. I think if no one lame dude if no one wants if no one wants you there like why show up

spk_0 We don't we don't have to talk about this because we talk about 7 so much

spk_0 Like you have a personal vendetta against him because you're a six-year fan which 100% makes sense

spk_0 But like there is also there was also a huge vocal

spk_0 Of vocal group that was always against Simmons among six-year fans like he was always devices. Yeah, it was pretty pro-Simmons

spk_0 Yeah, no, I like them. Yeah, no, I know I'm weird and all the media leaking like the way they the way they hand like again

spk_0 Rich Paul

spk_0 That's what he's clients want

spk_0 But it was like the way they handle it in the media

spk_0 was so bad and it made him look worse and it's his decision

spk_0 And he's always been like this kind of like coddle guy with this weird family dynamic his fucking brother who coaches like D2

spk_0 College got fired because they went like one and 15

spk_0 I think it's his coach and it's like dude you're I think offering you I think I think you I think

spk_0 You're disappointed in Simmons

spk_0 This should this should be a take your disappointed in Simmons

spk_0 But you hate

spk_0 The sixers front office and their fans that should be the take

spk_0 Because because

spk_0 I hate this point of the way they're disappointed Simmons because you know he has it in him

spk_0 But you hate the front office because they wouldn't move on from him and they dragged it out through

spk_0 Throughout the months through the media and you hate the fans because they prevented him from being able to come back and play

spk_0 The fans didn't prevent him dude the fans were fucking cheering him on and

spk_0 still

spk_0 Like they were behind them after like in game they were I mean like yeah after after that game seven loss after that game seven loss there's

spk_0 There's no chance he could come back. Yeah, sure, but it's a fan's fault. That's not the fans fault

spk_0 It's not the fans fall but he would have got booed endlessly so it's like you know you have to move on from at this point

spk_0 So it's like then it's not it's not his fault so unless unless unless dude

spk_0 I mean is there such an easy way to not get booed and it's a comeback and just

spk_0 Improve in some regard and just any if you started shooting literally yeah, but he's a song

spk_0 We already know that he's okay, then I then it's not he's already saw he's already saw

spk_0 He can't play in the fans for that then

spk_0 Yeah, so Ben Simmons he I mean he has that side of him that we already knew he was soft

spk_0 So when you just throw that fuel to the fire

spk_0 He's he's not one to step up and beat his chest. He's gonna counter what

spk_0 So yeah, it definitely his fault. I think people I

spk_0 I don't know like I don't see any I'm not on that side of Twitter where there's like

spk_0 die hard Ben Simmons stands, but

spk_0 I believe they're out there. I feel like most of the people that are rooting for him are just kind of doing it despite Philly

spk_0 Oh, absolutely

spk_0 Yeah, I mean, that's fair coming coming from a Philly fan. So

spk_0 Yeah, me. I'm pretty neutral like like the only reason I kind of

spk_0 I've always liked this game just like you me and you were coming. Yeah, me and you are on the same page with that like we both like

spk_0 We liked this game and now I'm on kind of the side where I'd be funny if he came back and balled out

spk_0 Just despite Philly fans. That's a that's a side. I'm a uh, so what I'm just gonna

spk_0 Group just complaining European players into one like Yokech Luca go bear

spk_0 I've got I've got Yokech up mine too. I mean, I like I said it

spk_0 Pat bab and dream on were my first two guys and one of my court gripes against them was that they're complainers. So this isn't some

spk_0 uh

spk_0 This isn't some bed at vendetta against the euros, but I mean the euros just seem to complain more and there's

spk_0 Stars are doing it in Yokech and Luca. They're flopping left and right. That's just kind of an art. They learned over there the the head bob the

spk_0 All that kind of stuff you can you can throw a Chris Paul in the mix if you wasn't on my team. I would hate all that head motion stuff

spk_0 um

spk_0 So I think just like any of those euro players. It's just more

spk_0 uh broadly seen when they're as good as as Luca and uh the Joker are

spk_0 Because I mean they have the ball all the time. They're playing in prime time games

spk_0 So you just see them complaining more

spk_0 But yeah, I'd say just any of those euro guys are uh, just get under my skin a little bit

spk_0 I'm with you on especially. I mean

spk_0 I don't even hate yokech because of like the little you know rivalry quote unquote um

spk_0 Yeah, I think and I think he's amazing

spk_0 Like obviously think he's amazing unbelievable player like all time great offensive player

spk_0 Um, that's offensive player in the league like easily in my opinion um

spk_0 But

spk_0 First of all the way he gets like worshiped by fucking like NBA media nerds

spk_0 Is the cornea shit and when he does all the shit that like all these guys that they hate on

spk_0 Like Chris Paul like James Harden

spk_0 He flops so much and he complains so much. He also fucking like killed

spk_0 Yeah, he's dirty. He's dirty. He's so dirty. He's a dirty always bad

spk_0 He was dirty against and his canner in 2019 he gets into these like little things

spk_0 He gets super hot headed his brothers try to kill them booger

spk_0 It's like he needs they need to like

spk_0 Guys we can criticize this guy. I he seems super he seems honestly cool as hell outside of like basketball

spk_0 But he seems talking like then the student is the man. Yeah, I like him off the court on the and again, obviously other court is amazing

spk_0 It's just like

spk_0 These ambient like the Zach Loatite, you know, I love Zach

spk_0 Fucking eight you still follow HP basketball

spk_0 Uh, no, I know you're talking about

spk_0 Yeah hard hard whatever peroxism whatever. Yeah, he is like

spk_0 First of all he doesn't like they'd like to ignore the fact all these guys that they like live in Denver and their

spk_0 No get fans they try to pretend they're objective

spk_0 Oh, yeah true, and it's like every single in-be game. He's shitting on a bead and then every yoga game

spk_0 He's like oh my god. It's so fucking unbelievable that he's doing this without all those guys

spk_0 And then somebody will be like oh well the sons have had their guys for like 10 games

spk_0 And then he's like well that doesn't matter. This ones are better than the Logan's

spk_0 It's like I thought you're an NBA reporter, bro. Like I didn't it's just and he just they suck them off and I'm just like yeah

spk_0 We don't need to do this. Yeah, well, that's another thing like then he pops like a fucking bitch

spk_0 Yeah, he pops a ton he is a bit dirty um and

spk_0 I think just with everything this you can say is about everyone it

spk_0 All a lot of the stuff he does is bit it become over sensationalized

spk_0 Yeah, just with like oh

spk_0 And again, and again, we're talking about him a ton

spk_0 Everywhere in the media. It's we're past the stage where nobody knows who yoghaches and we're talking about yoghatch

spk_0 We're so far past that he literally won

spk_0 MVP which is voted by the media

spk_0 Last year and a pretty convincing vote like he won MVP

spk_0 Yeah, we know how good he makes all NBA every year

spk_0 first team yeah, we know how good he is. He's not

spk_0 Being ignored. Yeah, I do

spk_0 Bill Simmons are doing so I'm like, yeah, no, I will I will say that I mean he should be the odds on favorite twin

spk_0 I think I honestly like if I want to be objective. I think he should win MVP. Yeah, he's doing his unbelievable

spk_0 Like I said that and that part I get like you can be you can be

spk_0 talked about enough, but still be somewhat

spk_0 so you can you can be

spk_0 I don't even know what the so he's definitely not underrated and he's definitely talked about enough

spk_0 but I think

spk_0 I think his season like it should be like yeah, uh, yo, yo, kitches MVP not like

spk_0 Okay, maybe honest maybe and be maybe okay, I think it's like

spk_0 Yo, kitches is kind of the guy. Yeah, I mean he's 26 14 and 8 is just kind of ridiculous and he's like

spk_0 absurd and they're

spk_0 you know

spk_0 An elite team when he's on the floor even though the team sucks like yeah, it's unbelievable

spk_0 It's all you can play any four guys around him. He's good at carrying into a very good record

spk_0 Which is crazy. Yeah

spk_0 So yeah, um that was on my list

spk_0 Also, I just have to bring him Devin Booker. No, sorry

spk_0 That's okay, but you hate it. I think Devin Booker. I think all right

spk_0 I think he's very cool

spk_0 His his like his five his own is he's

spk_0 objectively cool

spk_0 He is objectively cool. I can't take that away from him super mild girlfriend

spk_0 I think if there's you know, whatever. Okay, they're still named um the cars that he has like his house is cool

spk_0 The pictures he posts on his room are cool. He hyped up the sons and four guy hanging with the fellas all that super cool

spk_0 I'm with it

spk_0 um

spk_0 And his game is like if I could like make up my kind of basketball player. It's like the way he plays obviously

spk_0 Um, I just like shooting guard

spk_0 but

spk_0 He is so like

spk_0 The he needs to be the fucking double team thing needs to be brought up like all time

spk_0 I don't get how it's not brought up all the time. He sounds like such a fucking loser in that video dude

spk_0 Yeah, I think I think you and I think you're making too big of a deal of it

spk_0 I don't think I'm making too big of a deal of it when

spk_0 100 percent

spk_0 He lost the finals off being double team. Yeah, see like because he couldn't handle no team. Yeah, see that why would you say a plus b equals f

spk_0 Like that's where you know, that's not what it was that's not yeah

spk_0 I think the the finals thing is just I like I think I think it's not about it's very I think it should be talked about

spk_0 Because of that video

spk_0 You know

spk_0 Yeah, I get what you're saying you you've talked about it dude. I talk about I have to because I have to carry the look

spk_0 Yeah, I think it's just like also also as soon

spk_0 He was already starting to he's an elite

spk_0 Uh

spk_0 Valbator

spk_0 Like he's he and he was already getting really good at it

spk_0 Which it's a skill I can't like hate on it my the two best players on my team

spk_0 Or like all-time great

spk_0 So I can't hate on it, but it is annoying. It's how to watch

spk_0 Because I know like everything else he does is so cool is so is so aesthetically pleasing that I have to see him flop and he complain

spk_0 He's one of the biggest complainers in the league

spk_0 He's become one of the biggest complainers in the league and then signing Chris Paul and Jake Router

spk_0 Just like and they were definitely like yeah, dude. Just keep complaining keep complaining like they're the they're you know

spk_0 Those two and Dreymon are like top all the top five

spk_0 Complainers in the league and it's crazy because Jay Crowder is a fucking he's fucking Jake Router

spk_0 I think whatever you do it. I love Jake Router

spk_0 I wish Jake Router was on my team

spk_0 But like how is Jake Router become like this this guy who gets fouled on every fucking three point attempt

spk_0 In the finals and is and complaints after every single call when he fows a shit at everyone

spk_0 It's just like that that part of the booker

spk_0 Has always just started piss me off

spk_0 And also it's like

spk_0 He's probably cool, but he's also like probably a douche

spk_0 All right, so what else say is probably so your your complaints about bookers that

spk_0 He's a flopper. He's a flopper who complains and who's probably a douche. It sounds like the center on your and and the I mean the the fucking double

spk_0 I don't get how anyone could be

spk_0 That's just

spk_0 It's just like you're you're just being like corny and I mean call me corny whatever. I'm just

spk_0 Keep it real brown. Yeah, I mean it's definitely I really definitely ironic what happened, but no

spk_0 It's like and the irony to me. What do you want you want to be like yo? Yo, let's go work on double teams for eight hours

spk_0 No, I don't want to do that. I don't he's good at handling double teams. That was just like it was just funny

spk_0 Yeah, it was just ironic

spk_0 But if we're talking about the video is still like unbelievably lame like that's one of the lamest that's some of the lamest

spk_0 Yeah, I agree it is I I

spk_0 100% get I get both sides I get that it's super lame and I also get him being like

spk_0 Yo, I'm the best one in the gym like I'm trying to work on my moves like you go out of here and let me let me ice up all you

spk_0 Um, I get I get both sides of it

spk_0 It's just

spk_0 I mean, I it's also also there is a video him like making fun of these fucking like dad's or playing basketball

spk_0 Ertie that one

spk_0 It was I was lame a shit too. I was like dude, why the fuck would you

spk_0 Yeah, I mean you're just you're just nitpicking you wanted to throw

spk_0 No, like I

spk_0 I think he's unlikable even though I

spk_0 It's like I sort of like him a lot

spk_0 But then like when he's unlike oh, I fucking hate him if someone's gonna happen in the playoffs

spk_0 I can I can feel it

spk_0 Where the tide is gonna turn down I think it's gonna happen the tide turn on the mom Bobo

spk_0 Yeah, it's high for mom. They made it great. Also, like I can't deal I like to Kobe. I can't deal with the

spk_0 the guys that like

spk_0 That like the Kobe Worsher birch

spk_0 Be careful

spk_0 No, it's not I'm not I mean, I don't care if they come after me. I don't really care. I don't have that many

spk_0 Kobe's not a top three player of all time. So that's what I'll say

spk_0 No, the fuck things Kobe's not three player. I mean you see those guys that are like

spk_0 It's MJ. Yeah, no one like Kobe. It's more than that every

spk_0 Players like yeah, I mean like just bought on stop you know, bought a stop is he's like the Hooper culture guy

spk_0 No, I don't he's like oh his mid-range game his footwork his jab steps. It's like Kobe's best player of all time

spk_0 T max number two fucking he keem's number three. Yeah, I mean these guys are just clowns like tape like the Tatum Booker

spk_0 uh

spk_0 Kyrie

spk_0 People who were like, yo, these are like the best players in the league fuck like you know kitchen

spk_0 Yarnis you didn't caught you're getting caught by I know I'm getting I'm getting caught. I didn't caught by natural

spk_0 I'm on Twitter way too much. We already know that

spk_0 Um, okay, all right, so I don't really have much more. I mean I a couple more guys on my list, but

spk_0 Just start disco speed. Yeah, I just I had a ambide

spk_0 Okay, that's fair. I kind of summed it up perfectly with Booker

spk_0 Ambide is a foul bait and complaining douche

spk_0 And if he's on your if he's on your team

spk_0 You love him like those trolling

spk_0 Pictures after games on Instagram and stuff like

spk_0 He was on my team bro. I'd be sharing that to my story so quick

spk_0 But he's not on my team so

spk_0 Uh

spk_0 I'm not a bit and then the last one I had was Bobby Portis

spk_0 Um, he's just come over. He's just come back. We're like I mean, dude. He broke

spk_0 Miratage's face

spk_0 Everyone's bad moments and

spk_0 I'm also I'm also salty because

spk_0 He played well in the finals. Yeah, you know, you even know he sucks

spk_0 And I think he's pretty a player. He stays and he broke his teammates face

spk_0 And uh, he yeah, I'm not about reporters. Not about be borders for him. That's it

spk_0 Uh, my last one. I just have the Utah jazz

spk_0 Uh, I don't fuck with like very much. I have sort of my connolly

spk_0 Uh, who I fuck with pretty heavily. I don't fuck with Mitchell. I didn't fuck with Ingalls

spk_0 Um, and I

spk_0 I mean, obviously we don't fuck with go bear. I don't get who could fuck with go bear

spk_0 You know, and I hate how they're always like

spk_0 Making this drama that nobody gives a shit about but there's like the Utah Jazz

spk_0 They have terrible vibes like imagine being a Utah jazz fan

spk_0 How much that would suck

spk_0 Where you're always like pretty decent

spk_0 But there's just nothing cool about it. It would just suck

spk_0 And Mitch like Mitchell

spk_0 I hate the way they're always taking like the weird wipes at each other in the media where

spk_0 Rugo bears like oh well

spk_0 We can see what Devon Booker's done. He's gotten so much better on defense

spk_0 And it would just be you know, we need to do that

spk_0 Yeah, so they good well learn how to fucking post up one guy on the clippers and you guys would be in the conference finals

spk_0 They have a toxic culture and a toxic fan base

spk_0 And I definitely dislike that but it gets to a point where like I almost like it because I did

spk_0 I dislike the jazz so it's good that they're toxic and I think it's so funny that like everyone collectively

spk_0 Just kind of shit's on even when they're really good even all last year they were like, yo

spk_0 This is like the fake is one seat. Yeah, I think dude. I like forget that they were the ones. He dude they were like

spk_0 Statistically, they were like as dominant one of the most dominant teams ever done the reggauses

spk_0 I mean that happened in like empty arenas and they lost and it's like

spk_0 That's just like perfectly the jazz like play or shit on the jazz like

spk_0 Brown was shitting on the jazz when he was doing the austere draft a couple years ago

spk_0 They were everyone was like laughing

spk_0 That Rudy go bear was like taking out a spike when he obviously should have been let the last day

spk_0 Thank you his nickname is baguette boy

spk_0 Goagher like that shit's funny as hell

spk_0 Honestly, um, and Mitchell's gonna leave it's gonna be crazy when he does because he's like having an unbelievable season

spk_0 Yeah, see if d8 can not convince me to stay but that's a whole new way to convince him to go

spk_0 What do you mean? He's not gonna convince him to stay? Yeah, man. He's gonna leave

spk_0 He's giving shit dude. He weighs so loyal to the brand bro. He's as loyal to the brand as it gets

spk_0 Like he doesn't care like he doesn't care

spk_0 We'll see he's like a he's like a that has like the smallest stake in the jazz their owner is like one of the richest

spk_0 He's in the world. He doesn't care. He's trying to get he's definitely whispering like yeah, this is a long con to get him to Miami

spk_0 Absolutely

spk_0 I completely do when he was on the calves. He was like watching heat games

spk_0 Uh, when he was on the calves of the brawn and they were like sucking ass. Yeah, no, he's a he got but he's also like getting caught

spk_0 No, he's he's too much. You think he you think he just invested. Uh, I took a stake in the jazz just to go in there and um

spk_0 Work his magic to get guys to go to the heat that'd be that'd be I feel like it's just Mitchell because Mitchell's like kind of

spk_0 The new the new way type

spk_0 Even though he shoots like a million times. I'm waiting to wait

spk_0 But yeah, he's like the small gar that's super athletic. I respect to move from the way and if it's what you're saying is true. It's gonna have

spk_0 Honestly like

spk_0 I don't think we're to make the conference files so like if they look to second round for the fifth straight year

spk_0 They don't make it to the conference final like this is the fifth year of Rudy and Donovan together. Yeah, no, I think they're gonna get blown up

spk_0 But where like what's good? I don't even get how they would how they would do it. Yeah, that's not like you're not they're not gonna trade Mitchell willingly

spk_0 I'm not prepared. It's got that at the curve. Yeah, I know I know they're mine. That's just funny. Um, yeah, it is funny

spk_0 Oh my my mic was on mute. I want to get that uh it is it is funny, which is why I don't

spk_0 Even hate it because it's like more of like a joke

spk_0 I say this right now and then that watch the jazz beat the

spk_0 I would hate that too. I don't like the way the jazz play

spk_0 Like I don't like watch it's boring

spk_0 Yeah, no, it is boring and it's fun to hate on them like you said

spk_0 um

spk_0 All right, we can we can end here just uh quickly going over some of uh

spk_0 The top NBA prospects and how they're fairing and march

spk_0 um

spk_0 So we're kind of at the point where there is a top four

spk_0 However order you want to look in it, but that top four is check home grain of Gonzaga jibar Smith of Auburn

spk_0 Howl-Oben-Karo of Duke and jaden ivy of Purdue

spk_0 Three of four of those guys are still

spk_0 Left in the tournament the one who got knocked out was jibar Smith

spk_0 Two seed in Auburn got bounced by a ten seed Miami

spk_0 I'm the round to 32

spk_0 Smith had a bad game. He was three of sixteen from the field. He missed seven threes

spk_0 um, he just really didn't have it. I don't think

spk_0 That game should affect his draft draft stock at all

spk_0 um, I think what I'd like from you here is uh

spk_0 A little pat on the back to me

spk_0 To tell you about a month ago maybe even more

spk_0 That I was like yo

spk_0 The Auburn guards Wendell green Katie Johnson. I hate Katie Johnson

spk_0 They're gonna screw this man jibar Smith

spk_0 And then all I hear like the past like two weeks leading up to it and then when it happened was

spk_0 Dude the I love Ryan Racillo

spk_0 but

spk_0 Fuck man. Does it annoy me when he tries because he's so good at making it sound like he knows things when I know

spk_0 Doesn't know things and like when he's like it's crazy when he's when he's talking about Auburn

spk_0 He's like act like he's watched him all year like yeah, man. Those guards like

spk_0 I knew this was gonna happen like dude

spk_0 No, like no you didn't you just saw someone else and this was this was wherever this take came from this take came from my brain and so

spk_0 No, I remember you tasted. I probably find it tax. So it's just like

spk_0 um

spk_0 So

spk_0 I'm not saying like I'm the first one who ever thought of this. I mean it's I'm

spk_0 If you watch college basketball and you watch Auburn which after Auburn after that you con game that they went to triple over time and late November

spk_0 I watched a ton of Auburn going forward and you could tell dude

spk_0 Wendell Moore or Wendell green and Katie Johnson. Katie Johnson's just a big bitch, bro

spk_0 If you ever made the NBA he'd be on my on my most hate

spk_0 That guy I you can search you can search up on Twitter right now Katie Johnson. I ask you sports

spk_0 I've definitely I haven't tweeted much over the past couple of months. I've definitely tweeted about him

spk_0 Dude, he would be on the top of my most hated list. He is he is just a complaining

spk_0 crying

spk_0 Guy that ruined your bar. Smith Smith chance at a national championship

spk_0 But I mean I found text back

spk_0 What did I say from Sunday February 27

spk_0 You said

spk_0 This scenario is going to happen. It's gonna upset you. I'm just preparing you for it

spk_0 You said Auburn around 32 or 16 30 seconds left Auburn down at Buck. Hey jibbari has 25

spk_0 Katie Johnson or Wendell green gonna look off and freak a shot to get out

spk_0 Damn

spk_0 That was it was it was even dude that would have been the exact scenario had jibbari out of good game

spk_0 I don't think this should affect the draft stock at all

spk_0 I mean the way jibbari plays

spk_0 At this point in his career if he has a cold shooting day like

spk_0 There's nothing really that he can do. He doesn't really put the ball in the deck that well right now

spk_0 Obviously, we're gonna we're gonna get into all the straps off the offseason

spk_0 But the way he plays if he is missing shots

spk_0 Um

spk_0 There's just nothing you can really do about it the thing is he doesn't he doesn't miss that often

spk_0 but he doesn't miss and he's

spk_0 Become a pretty smart player

spk_0 Um, like moving off the ball and everything. He's like basically

spk_0 Like six ten play honestly like I don't even know how else to describe him. He's

spk_0 Gorgeous like

spk_0 He'll get you like 25 points in college on like six dribbles like it's

spk_0 Yeah, it's just unbelievable watching the guy of that tall shoot like that like obviously we have Kevin Durant

spk_0 But he shoots he's more like a pure shooter than Kevin Durant is

spk_0 And he's athletic and he's got you know a frame that can add a lot of weight

spk_0 I think he's gonna be great. I would probably

spk_0 I'd feel the the I don't know who I take number one, but I would feel the safest about taking him number one

spk_0 Yeah, I know he's gonna be able to be an elite shooter at the at the worst case

spk_0 Exactly, I think it's oh it's always

spk_0 It's you can I mean his physical tools are there like the thing he has to work on is like kind of his handle and get more comfortable shooting off the

spk_0 Off more than just like one bounce that's something you can learn like you can't learn to shoot like that

spk_0 And you can't teach that length shooting over people

spk_0 Good great. I agree

spk_0 And then another what we can talk about shit about they played Georgia state in the first round

spk_0 Obviously, it's a one-sixteen matchup. I put up 19 put up 19 and 17 and seven

spk_0 So I cannot I don't want to discredit him, but I mean you're playing Georgia state

spk_0 um and round two when he when he played

spk_0 So MBA talent and Jalen Duran of Memphis

spk_0 9.9 rebounds and four blocks

spk_0 He only shot the ball seven times it turned into a drew Timmy show in the second half and at that point so I

spk_0 all right, so

spk_0 Going through these players

spk_0 I don't think we should take more than 10 minutes doing this because we're gonna have all offseason to be able to talk about the draft and these prospects

spk_0 What I will say is I've come to the point where like I'm not just hating on chat for no reason and I'm not gonna

spk_0 Really hate on that performance like I could be like oh look you know look at the numbers 9.9 and 9

spk_0 That's like pretty pretty bad

spk_0 Gonzaghan is down 10 at half drew Timmy who's the upper classman was like give me the ball. I'm not losing to Memphis

spk_0 So chat, I mean stayed in his lane and they fed Timmy and Timmy got it done

spk_0 so there's almost some sort of

spk_0 You got to give chat credit for not trying to force it there

spk_0 But it'll be it'll be interesting to see how he plays against Jalen Williams of Arkansas in the sweet 16

spk_0 I was another athletic big man who's probably gonna be in the NBA

spk_0 Mm-hmm

spk_0 I'm not like a huge

spk_0 Check guy

spk_0 Uh just because like other people have uh

spk_0 Have noted

spk_0 The like the weird posture that he has is just makes me uneasy

spk_0 Um

spk_0 Like that's not a super easy thing to fix

spk_0 Yeah, it's weird. It's weird. It's just it's there like I'd never seen someone built like that

spk_0 At least that play I mean, maybe like younger Rudy go bare when he was super like a rookie

spk_0 Maybe

spk_0 Uh, you have another car practice

spk_0 Yeah, it's just I know he hasn't had in the injuries and obviously I hope he doesn't get hurt

spk_0 It's just

spk_0 Weird but I like he's definitely the guy that's gonna be like oh well you really need to watch him to understand

spk_0 You can't just look at his dad sheet you have to watch like all the shitty does the secondary passing and the defensive rotation

spk_0 I'm with like I'm I like jet. I think he's really good. I don't see the offensive

spk_0 Uh

spk_0 Like I don't think I want chat

spk_0 Creating a ton of offense for me

spk_0 Like he definitely shoot

spk_0 Good that's great for his size

spk_0 And he could definitely pass but like I don't want him. I know he can handle the ball

spk_0 Like I know he's capable of it

spk_0 But I don't think he's gonna be good enough where it's like you can't just give him the ball like

spk_0 At the top of the key and ask me to get you a bucket

spk_0 No, he's a true option guy. That's a true option guy

spk_0 He's a gravity rebound and go

spk_0 Right and I want to be you know, a hyper brain guy

spk_0 It's more just like in terms of building around them as a as a lead guy

spk_0 That's what gives me the pause about taking like I can see taking the remember one

spk_0 I wouldn't hate on it, but it's just like that would give me a lot of pause

spk_0 Um

spk_0 Dirland didn't really do that much show now

spk_0 Like Dirland I thought Dirland was gonna get like 30 and 15

spk_0 Yeah, obviously. I'm not the college basketball guy. So I just like look at a guy. I'm like, yo, that's his massive

spk_0 Um, yeah, I mean there's everyone was talking about it that was yeah that by far had the most

spk_0 A talent on the court out of any game

spk_0 Around 32

spk_0 I do like that he's not soft. I really yeah he battles if you if you look at him you'd be I mean obviously

spk_0 Stereo type you just feel like dude this dude's there's no way this dude's not a pussy. Yeah, what do you play like he's tough man

spk_0 I like I like that part of his game. I could see him

spk_0 Becoming one of the guys

spk_0 That make a ball. Yeah, that makes his way on the unlikeable list just because

spk_0 He's gonna get out physical by these guys in the NBA and he might turn to a little bit of dirty tactics

spk_0 Because he's definitely not just gonna back down. He's not just gonna back down. No, definitely not now

spk_0 I remember that game uh his his senior year of high school

spk_0 that game vs uh

spk_0 Empty baits and it was like he was talking

spk_0 The that was when emity was still like number one

spk_0 Uh, or am I I still want to say come on? Yeah, um, um, I'm on him. He was still number one. I think it's a money yet

spk_0 when he was

spk_0 Still ranked like as the guy for all the high school prospects and chat was just like talking shit the whole time

spk_0 It was like going out of school. I like his attitude

spk_0 um, weird and then again, I mean, we don't want to talk about him now, but like that guy in France

spk_0 Uh, that's coming out next year is like chat

spk_0 But even taller and skinnier

spk_0 Um, I don't like those guys. I don't like those guys dude. I don't I don't I think he's gonna be amazing

spk_0 Mike Schmitz was like he's the best prospect I've ever scouted and I trust Mike Schmitz like he's he knows

spk_0 He said he's the best prospect I've ever scouted. I'm like okay. We'll see

spk_0 We'll see, but um, but yeah, uh and

spk_0 Palo who I've been kind of a hater of

spk_0 Play pal

spk_0 You have been a pal hater, but I think we can agree that

spk_0 I think we can agree both ways that when the season started

spk_0 It was like either Pala or chat one and two and just kind of

spk_0 And just kind of for no reason

spk_0 We're like yo, I'm a pal guy. Yo, you're a check guy

spk_0 And so now that we're actually I like pal that he's Italian so I gotta fuck with him. Yeah, I mean and now I think we're both coming back on it

spk_0 It's like

spk_0 Yo, they're both good

spk_0 Um, yeah palo averaged 18 points eight and a half rebounds four assists

spk_0 I had four assists in each game which is

spk_0 Something

spk_0 Kind of wanted to see more of him be the facilitator

spk_0 Um, he's very efficient 15 for 28 from the field four for nine from deep

spk_0 Um, and he's kind of like that guy. We're like he'll go get a bucket for you

spk_0 um

spk_0 You can get in the ball and

spk_0 I feel like you'll get a bucket like I'm pretty confident. He definitely he has the

spk_0 I mean, he has a middie pull up kind of yeah, I it's like

spk_0 Um, if it's like

spk_0 Yo, the other teams on a like five minutes left you're down for you need a bucket here to stop momentum

spk_0 Yeah, I'm I'm fine with giving it to chat on like on the wing

spk_0 And kind of let them let them go to work um

spk_0 And so it's gonna be very

spk_0 That so the the sweet 16 games on Thursday are insane and that game against Texas tech

spk_0 Is going to be incredible because Texas tech hounds to shit out of you on the defensive end a ton of

spk_0 Guys that are like six five to six eight

spk_0 Who are athletic and who are just gonna mean mug you so it's gonna be real interesting

spk_0 To see how chat plays against guys like Kevin McCullough

spk_0 and Adonis arms and stuff

spk_0 um and

spk_0 See if he brings the toughness

spk_0 And there's this the whole

spk_0 aura of the coach K farewell tour

spk_0 I can't be super easy to deal with being the quote-on-quote best player on coach K's what like

spk_0 Team so that'll be interesting if they do get down early or if they're like down eight with 10 minutes to go

spk_0 How he responds to that because in the back somewhere in the back of his mind he's gotta be thinking like

spk_0 Yo, I can't be like coach K's gonna be done and all all the Duke guys before me are gonna be like fuck this big car

spk_0 Okay, couldn't even get us to an elite eight um

spk_0 So that'll be interesting. We'll be able to see if he has that alpha dog mentality

spk_0 I really do think coming out of the stretch

spk_0 There's some people better saying AJ Griffin better than pal

spk_0 So a lot of people but a decent lot of people

spk_0 He's AJ Griffin is more pleasing to the eye when he's playing well

spk_0 Because uh he has incredible range and he moves more fluidly

spk_0 He just like

spk_0 Ben Carrows can seem a bit choppy when he plays from what I've noticed

spk_0 And when AJ Griffin just flying off screens

spk_0 Hit in threes and he's also like super athletic like he's just so smooth

spk_0 yet he reminds me a lot of cam radish like

spk_0 It's like

spk_0 I'm not saying he's not knocking like he's gonna turn into what cam is in the NBA which is

spk_0 Unfortunately not as good as we thought but just like that like smooth and ease that cam played with that dude

spk_0 I feel like Griffin has that same that kind of same aura about him

spk_0 But he can also he can also hide though like

spk_0 There games are there he disappears. Yeah, yeah, disappears. They're all I was gonna get try to get a shot

spk_0 Yeah, exactly how I like pala could he kind of has that

spk_0 He kind of like I know I've floated like that Tobias

spk_0 Paris never comparison that of TJ Warren like stuff like that

spk_0 I think those are fair comparisons

spk_0 I think I think he's the difference is like their mindset. Yeah, yeah

spk_0 Tobias has this weird passivity to him where he doesn't want to really pass

spk_0 But he also doesn't want to be aggressive enough as aggressive as he should be a six-nine guy that can move well

spk_0 Palo has like the he wants to get to the basket or he wants to you know make a move

spk_0 He wants to have the ball

spk_0 So I like and he's like and he's up you can see the pat like I remember when I was watching that I would see high school stuff on him

spk_0 There was like oh

spk_0 Well, let's do it's like Ben Simmons with a jumper

spk_0 Because he could pass so well. He's basically like playing point guard

spk_0 For all these like a you teams and you know six ten. It was like damn

spk_0 This just gonna be crazy, which yeah, I think he's really good. I'm trending upward on pala like I'm gonna fuck with pala

spk_0 But I don't know if I mean I don't know

spk_0 I wouldn't I wouldn't take it's it's a really weird

spk_0 I know we say that over here, but like it's really like weird drafts where there's four guys who I would

spk_0 All feel good about taking number one, but I wouldn't

spk_0 Yeah, I know who I would consider. Yeah, I know you're saying my guy my guy and that's what I always that I mean

spk_0 That's it. That's where these front-offs. Those are gonna make their money. Um that fourth step fourth guy is Jade and I be

spk_0 He unfortunately knocked my long horns out

spk_0 Um

spk_0 That was he had a kid a three with a minute left up three to put him up six, which is which was the dagger

spk_0 Um

spk_0 So so far in the tournament Ivy's average in 20 points three and a half rebounds to assists

spk_0 Uh, he's five for ten from deep

spk_0 So not doing a whole lot besides scoring

spk_0 Um, but obviously it's just a two game sample size

spk_0 Oh, he's like incredibly quick him he reminds me of a little bit bigger more built

spk_0 Juh, which is kind of crazy to say, but what I will say and I was screaming this at the at the

spk_0 At the TV at the end of the Texas Purdue game

spk_0 I still don't completely trust him with the ball in his hands

spk_0 He doesn't pass me it doesn't pass nearly as well as I mean he's not a pure point guard

spk_0 He's a combo guard. He probably is an off-ball guy in the NBA. He's probably definitely an off-ball guy in the NBA

spk_0 Um, but yeah, he turns it over a bit too much of these are all young things. I mean he's a sophomore in college

spk_0 The traits he does have or stuff that you can't really teach

spk_0 And the stuff that he needs to work on is things that

spk_0 Young players and pretty much all young players need to work on so uh, yeah, I think he's right

spk_0 Right in the mix in that uh in that top four discussion. He's one of the one of the guys

spk_0 Yeah, I like him. I like him a lot. I mean, he obviously he's probably the most fun player to watch out of his for

spk_0 Just crazy athlete transition and

spk_0 You know, one of the only college games I caught was the game where you had the game winner

spk_0 near the buzzer

spk_0 All that you know that come back against his his he does have stones and he always wants to

spk_0 He definitely does that's why I that's why I really like watching

spk_0 It's like it's like the athleticism in transition and the confidence that he plays with reminds me of jaw obviously

spk_0 Like a similar haircut. Yeah, yeah, it looks like it's you but it's just like

spk_0 No, I really like freshman. He had those stones too. Yeah, yeah, and then the rest of the guys in this class

spk_0 It's like there's AJ. We talked about um, I mean obviously again

spk_0 I'm the classic like

spk_0 NBA guy who just watches tournament makes these stupid generalizations before I actually start like watching

spk_0 uh, like you know youtube videos and stuff

spk_0 He can Murray seemed like the most

spk_0 College like the elite college player ever who's not good to do that much. Yeah, like he just doesn't seem

spk_0 He just doesn't seem like

spk_0 It's not on athletic. It just it felt like he was not

spk_0 And it didn't seem I don't want to say

spk_0 I'm the athlete, but he's not super plus athlete. Yeah, and I don't know how much I love a shot

spk_0 Like he shot really well, but I don't know. He's also 22 as a sophomore. I think I think he's he's

spk_0 He's got I mean, I think he has a low ceiling and he kind of reminds me of obi not the same playstyle

spk_0 But kind of the same like five where he's in the second year. He's pretty old

spk_0 It's on a high level team

spk_0 But yeah, I mean he can he worse comes to worse. He's gonna be like a second unit guy who a second unit three and you guy that

spk_0 Doesn't always hold up his hand at the bargain on the team part

spk_0 Yeah, so it's like yeah, I think he'll be okay

spk_0 um

spk_0 You messaged me about Benedict, Mathering. Oh, that's my guy. That's my guy. That's all I'm getting. It's like that's my guy, bro

spk_0 That's my guy I could see this coming from a mile away

spk_0 I just I fuck with that dude. I know. I mean, that was like that's the type of game though where it's like

spk_0 Team door remember that game

spk_0 For sure absolutely like it's getting to get out even if you have the bad even if you had to bad squeaks 16 aim

spk_0 Or if they you know, they go far and you guys will play as well that game was crazy

spk_0 He put up 30 in a overtime win over

spk_0 TCU in the round of 32 Arizona one seed second overall seed in the tournament

spk_0 Uh, and Mathering's been their leader all year

spk_0 Um, and yeah, you went crazy um

spk_0 He's like a six seven point like he I would consider you got I think you can pull him off ball

spk_0 You can play him with the ball in his hands

spk_0 He six seven he passes well. He scores well. He's super athletic

spk_0 He's gonna be awesome to watch run the floor in the NBA

spk_0 Um, and yeah, this is I should I should have noted it down somewhere, but this is I can I knew that this is a guy

spk_0 You're gonna be all in on

spk_0 No, I've like it is a cool maze. Yeah, it's just like and he's built in a draft where

spk_0 I don't really know how many guys have like

spk_0 Super high upside outside of like guest chat would be like the super high upside guy

spk_0 Um, he seemed like to me. I just outside of the top four. I feel like he was

spk_0 He's a guy that I would bet on like he does a good build for the NBA six six. He's long. He's athletic. He can shoot

spk_0 Um

spk_0 And he has that I mean, you know, maybe it was just how he played one time

spk_0 But like he put the attitude was fucking a guy. I was like, yeah, this is my guy like I love watching

spk_0 No, he always has that attitude and he's had a ton of games like that this year

spk_0 Yeah, you know, and he's improved a lot which I always always like to see as a sophomore

spk_0 Uh, why does sophomore in this lottery like John Davis been a matter in

spk_0 Johnny Davis is another guy who uh, I mean

spk_0 Johnny Davis grew on me as the season progressed. I this that was constant team was not very good

spk_0 Um, and they capped off

spk_0 Johnny Davis carried that team to the point they were at which was uh, I was share the big tent title on the three seed

spk_0 I was state stinks. So um, just know that know that Miami is gonna beat them

spk_0 Uh, so the fact that was constant loss to them shows you that was constant isn't very good

spk_0 It's also kind of an indictment on Johnny Davis that he couldn't carry them

spk_0 But I mean Chucky Hepburn their point card went out

spk_0 So I think Johnny Davis can be a solid pro prospect um who who I think lost themselves

spk_0 Who really damaged themselves like I don't think Davis damaged himself that much in the loss who really damaged himself

spk_0 I think is tie tie Washington, Kentucky um, he's like a combo guard and

spk_0 When they lost the same Peter he's put up five points

spk_0 It's two for time from the field. I didn't want one assist two turnovers

spk_0 Um, it's not great. Not great at all and he's had games like this throughout the season. He's a very streaky player

spk_0 And I still think he's gonna go

spk_0 We still think he's gonna declare for the draft in one game shouldn't be the end all be all

spk_0 But you got to think like when you're playing the team like St. Peters

spk_0 I won't point kit

spk_0 If you're gonna be a lottery pig

spk_0 Do you just have to say?

spk_0 I'm taking over

spk_0 Obviously that wasn't the Kentucky team wasn't built that way. It wasn't tight a tight

spk_0 Dye team like there are really solid team can't just throw the blame on him

spk_0 But I don't know it was

spk_0 It's kind of tough to see it's tough to explain that I guess you could say

spk_0 He's I mean I was listening to uh

spk_0 J. Kyle man who's it on the ringer who's a massive uh Kentucky fan

spk_0 And he was just he was kind of shitting on tie tie. He was shitting on the whole team obviously

spk_0 But like he was shitting on tie tie a lot and he was really shitting on cow

spk_0 Because it's like cow

spk_0 Every single point guard he recruits like can't shoot

spk_0 For shit and it's like tie tie couldn't really shoot this year that I mean he shot okay this year he shot 34 percent

spk_0 But he's you know, he only took eight like 83s uh in the whole season

spk_0 And it seems like it's kind of killing I mean I didn't I don't know Kentucky's offense like that

spk_0 But it seems like it's kind of killing their offense every year

spk_0 Or they don't have yeah, I mean, well they're true. Yeah, they're true point guard this year

spk_0 severe Wheeler is a transfer from Georgia literally cannot shoot like he could he was he's

spk_0 I wouldn't say unarguably I would say he's arguably the best pastor in college basketball

spk_0 He average like 10 assists last year with Georgia and Georgia sucks

spk_0 Georgia did suck in 2020 and they sucked this year too

spk_0 But him the picking roles that you ran with Oscar she way we're sick

spk_0 But he take it like he literally can't shoot at least tie tie as a semblance of a jumper

spk_0 Like I'm saying like it seems like all these Kentucky guard. It's like what's going on?

spk_0 I mean maybe it could be like a

spk_0 Maxi type thing

spk_0 Maybe

spk_0 Maybe I wish we could have seen that team in the in the tournament that year. What do you think it you think Kessler's gonna be good or now?

spk_0 Who in the NBA if he makes it I mean, I think he's gonna get drafted, but yeah, he's gonna get dressed in the first round

spk_0 um

spk_0 That I think he's gonna have a role, but I don't think he's gonna be anything special

spk_0 Yeah, I could think he's gonna watch one like dude nobody's even attempting to score on this like they're not even going to the pain

spk_0 They're not even taking any shots in the pain. Yeah, so I think that's more that's more magnified in the college game

spk_0 Yeah, definitely definitely they were playing who they playing the first round not a good team

spk_0 Auburn they're playing Jacksonville state. Yeah, that was like these guys are like they're not even yeah, I'm

spk_0 Um, so who I'll give you I'll leave you with one more um

spk_0 Which is a guy I really like

spk_0 Malachai brand him from my house date

spk_0 Mm-hmm. He's like uh

spk_0 I think he's like 66 wing

spk_0 Uh, can shoot

spk_0 Really good slot. He's a really good slasher who can also shoot like I'd say he's his best attribute is

spk_0 Getting to the rim, but he also shot 42% from deep this year

spk_0 um

spk_0 Yeah, I just really like him. Hey, he started off the season pretty slow and then

spk_0 In big 10 play like dominated. I think he was like 16 points a game in big 10 play

spk_0 um

spk_0 Yeah, I'm really intrigued by him

spk_0 definitely want to do

spk_0 Want to watch some more in-depth stuff, but from a surface level

spk_0 um

spk_0 I really like what I saw from brand him. I think he should be a lottery pick if not top 10 guy

spk_0 Hey, he's got him 20

spk_0 Yeah, I think I get shades of Chris Middleton, Keraslivert. I think he should move up a little higher. I think he

spk_0 I'm Middleton's athletic. I was gonna say I think he might be where I thought like the Middleton, but um

spk_0 I mean, he's definitely more athletic than him. Yeah, but yeah, yeah um

spk_0 You got anyone else?

spk_0 Got your eye?

spk_0 Uh

spk_0 It's right. I'm looking through K. O's these big board. Just see if there's anybody I remember watching

spk_0 um

spk_0 There I thought Durham looked pretty good

spk_0 Christian

spk_0 Local yeah center Arizona is like 90s like 19 for 23 so far from the field

spk_0 I've only played basketball for like four years. Yeah, it's crazy

spk_0 um, he's having a 23 and 12 and four assists and four blocks to through two games

spk_0 It's

spk_0 Who do you got uh who do you got cutting down the nets? I still think it's gonna be good as I get

spk_0 So I picked Kansas like a month ago, so I'm sticking with that. Yeah, I found your text. Well, okay. Did you? Yeah good good

spk_0 um

spk_0 And right now that they have the easiest path that I final four by far

spk_0 um

spk_0 but

spk_0 Yeah, I think I think it's gonna be um

spk_0 I think the final four is gonna be Gonzaga

spk_0 UCLA

spk_0 Arizona and Kansas

spk_0 UCLA isn't you see like a what's the use you see a lay therefore they play so I think the winner the winner of

spk_0 North Carolina

spk_0 UCLA

spk_0 See I could see Purdue making it out of that out of that bracket too

spk_0 I mean they better fucking make the only eight

spk_0 Yeah, I don't think that's that sucks for St. Peter's um, yeah, if they would have got matched up with Texas

spk_0 obviously, I mean

spk_0 They still should they should lose the Texas, but at least against Texas like we can we like usually could have shit the bed and not score for 10 minutes

spk_0 Whereas like Purdue

spk_0 Trigal Williams and Zach E.D. they can't guard them so

spk_0 literally they have no chance

spk_0 Um, I just got your boy

spk_0 Gairocy's got your boy 30

spk_0 David Rodby

spk_0 Dude David Roddy's not

spk_0 leaving

spk_0 He's not oh, I don't know

spk_0 What year is he he's junior probably they had a pretty good year. They broke back their coach. I saw so

spk_0 Yeah, they signed him to like an seven-year deal

spk_0 Um, I don't if he leaves, but I'd be so tragic. He's fat bro. Okay. He's gone fat

spk_0 He's big brother big body David Roddy. He's like six five two fifty

spk_0 Damn

spk_0 He's a beast. Yeah

spk_0 He's a beast though

spk_0 He would I don't I it's gonna be it'll be interesting. I don't know how he's gonna fit in the NBA

spk_0 um

spk_0 But he would dominate the Euro League like maybe not the Europe maybe not like David like the top Euro League division

spk_0 But maybe like the fucking Turkish super league or some shit

spk_0 You would be the MJ of that league

spk_0 um

spk_0 All right, so you got anything else that we we can end this office up with a trivia question

spk_0 Oh, it's the trivia. All right. All right, so I couldn't find the exact number. I think it's like a low 40s

spk_0 Of the amount of players who the amount of men's players who have won both a

spk_0 college championship

spk_0 and a

spk_0 NBA title

spk_0 Um, there's like

spk_0 I think low 40s is the number that that I came with

spk_0 Since 2009 however

spk_0 There have been six

spk_0 Okay

spk_0 I'll give you some help along the way, but this includes you as a nine this includes to the two this includes you as a nine

spk_0 So since 2009 in so since 2009

spk_0 guys have won a college championship and

spk_0 Yes, and a NBA championship they won both since 2009

spk_0 Okay, there's six of them

spk_0 I'll give you some hints. Do you have any guesses off the top?

spk_0 I know Danny Green is Danny Green is one of his

spk_0 one. No, I wouldn't you and see yes

spk_0 um

spk_0 80 yep to do um those are the two the two furthest back

spk_0 Okay

spk_0 uh

spk_0 Frank tank was close now they didn't they didn't win a they didn't win a title like he was close in both

spk_0 Lee yeah he's close in both but he didn't win

spk_0 Um, let's see all these are these these so you name the two best players that the other four

spk_0 Mm-hmm. I have another one. Don't say even chenzo. Yep

spk_0 Don okay the Michael Jordan of Delaware

spk_0 That's his actual nickname um

spk_0 Three more if you get all three without six to all his Nova he won two titles um

spk_0 2016 was Nova 2017 was UNC never did you want to get that I think

spk_0 The 80 was Nova 2019 was UVA

spk_0 Nobody won 2020 um

spk_0 Okay

spk_0 2012 was

spk_0 No, not that far back. I'll give you a hint. Okay 2013 was Louisville

spk_0 Uh, they might have had like trezzed like them but he didn't win title

spk_0 Uh

spk_0 Fuck it's hard man um two of these guys you like know well the other one you will like know of

spk_0 But he's kind of more like a college guy

spk_0 We'll tell him exactly what I think

spk_0 I feel like it's on 2015 Duke and I'm fucking blanking one of them one of them is on 2015 Duke

spk_0 Okay

spk_0 This guy's won two titles actually. Oh, I mean he was on the words

spk_0 I had to be on words right

spk_0 I had to move off the dude because I don't I don't like don't okay. I also not seen um

spk_0 I don't think you I don't think you're gonna get either get it too

spk_0 So one of them was 2017 UNC and the other was 2019 Virginia was a Justin Jackson yeah, Justin Jackson

spk_0 I would never guess that I would have

spk_0 No, I would never guess and this one I don't even think you're gonna get what the hit with the Virginia hint

spk_0 Maybe well

spk_0 Um

spk_0

spk_0 was on the thunder last year

spk_0 Oh was it the fucking blonde guy yeah de kit. Yeah, yeah, de kit. Yeah, we got a game winner in the tournament that year yeah, he did

spk_0 And then the Duke guy it says five the Duke guy one is he wanted his titles with the warriors and the leakers

spk_0 Duke guy that one all the

spk_0 Quenook god, I'm such a

spk_0 Quenook Quenook was like yeah, there's no way you play the like I thought he was gonna be so good for the lakeers for some reason

spk_0 He played on the lakers

spk_0 um

spk_0 You got

spk_0 Three minutes in the finals

spk_0 Yeah, you got three six

spk_0 You got about 22 minutes in the playoffs

spk_0 Elite

spk_0 15

spk_0 It was only it was only uh three of them came in the last year when the bucks won it up on the

spk_0 When the finals because

spk_0 Even chendza di Akite and Justin Jackson

spk_0 All right

spk_0 You got anything else for the people

spk_0 Oh, I got anything else for the people nah

spk_0 You got gandagging the six or score is the executive win

spk_0 gandagging to win it all 10 just beat the nets tonight by the way without jaw

spk_0 I'm sorry Katie sixers is up big hardens going off on the third

spk_0 Who are the sixers playing lakers fellow bros

spk_0 Uh

spk_0 Damn Dwight revenge against white a three

spk_0 All right, so I think that's all we got I think we went before that I think we went

spk_0 When we talked about the pro I was guessing we went a whole pile with the top of my the lakers

spk_0 Yeah, we talked about the brown for like 20 minutes. Yeah, we definitely it wasn't that much lakers tough

spk_0 Just a moment. We didn't we didn't mention uh

spk_0 Russell Westbrook right until this point good good

spk_0 We don't need to I was probably didn't I mean actually no we're both fans so it makes sense that he didn't make our list

spk_0 I'm a raska. Yeah, like i'm

spk_0 Lakers fan the list would probably be different

spk_0 For sure

spk_0 All right, so if you got to this point in the pod. Thanks for listening

spk_0 um

spk_0 Like I said check the description. I'm going to link that article that q just published

spk_0 That we were talking about um

spk_0 Yeah, other than that for Shane for q shots at a boy archie good one

spk_0 We'll catch you next week on the sq sports mba podcast

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