119: Down to Dantooine (KOTOR II 10)

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spk_0 Let us return once more to a more civilized age Star Wars podcast.

spk_0 I'm Rob Zachney, join Bay Alia Kompura, Austin Walker, and Natalie Watson.

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spk_0 So head over there if you'd like to support the show and get access to all our Q&A episodes.

spk_0 And boy folks, I had some bad luck at the Pizzak tables on on dantuan.

spk_0 And so it's never been more important for you to moseon over to patreon.com slash civilized

spk_0 because I ran into an authoritarian card sharp and just got where you can't tell me those are

spk_0 random draws. You can't you can't tell me. You know what? That guy was pretending to be honest.

spk_0 He's like lots of humans don't want to keep playing with me after.

spk_0 He's just good. No, because I was I was cleaning his clock.

spk_0 I can tell you playing for less money. I can tell you exactly what happened there.

spk_0 Rob, do you want to know? Do you want to know the secret?

spk_0 Yes. He plays with better cards when you when you raise the stakes.

spk_0 That's so much. He plays it. Oh my god. Playing with a worse side deck when you play for

spk_0 low stakes. Each step up increases the card. He is a card shark. He is.

spk_0 Or he's just, you know, he's like the hardest competitor.

spk_0 That's exactly right. He's giving you the solid.

spk_0 No, no, no. You don't get to play with worse cards when you're you know what I mean?

spk_0 You're trying to beat him every time as hard as you can.

spk_0 Exactly. He's like a dad. He's like a dad who's letting the kid win and then he's like, oh,

spk_0 shit. Oh, you're really playing. All right. I'm going to bust out the Queen's Gambit.

spk_0 Hang on. Yeah. Isn't that card sharking? Isn't that like like you can say it's like it's

spk_0 dad. Yeah, I mean to this. You're right. But isn't that also like you luring? It's like,

spk_0 yeah, if someone's learning something bad, it's cool. Yeah. He's not becoming bad though.

spk_0 He's not making inefficient choices. I think this is the difference.

spk_0 Okay. I mean, he's he's just playing with his beginner's deck. It's like playing magic

spk_0 against someone who's ever played magic before. You're not going to bust out the blue deck.

spk_0 But there's money happening, which if I play Commander and I'm using my silly deck and

spk_0 and you win 25 bucks off my silly deck, when I come in with my real shit now deck,

spk_0 yeah, and we're betting $50 because you're feeling so good about the 25. You just won. Yeah.

spk_0 It's giving shark. It's giving it's giving. I'm sharking you. Okay, but in this world,

spk_0 we all have the force power save scum. I forget to save between matches. So I'm starting

spk_0 in a hand. I don't know. It's a two-bow game. You can quick save. You can make some effort to

spk_0 solve us to do that. Try and go, why? And then you go down for and you hit quick save. And that's it.

spk_0 It's in the quick man. You don't have to hit the pause button.

spk_0 Okay. Sorry. I just I you know what? I play it as it lays. That's how the cards how the cards fall.

spk_0 Okay. That's how that's how I live. I won't I won't you know what? That's an honorable way of doing it.

spk_0 You know that guy I think I we just talked about didn't make it into my summary and I he should have

spk_0 because authority and who stuck on this planet and bored because no one wants to play cards with

spk_0 him anymore is a funny character. And it's one of the more memorable parts of this fairly flat

spk_0 planet we're playing today. We're back on Dan Tween, baby. Never been more true.

spk_0 More mid than ever. More mid than ever. I mean clear sky. Beautiful planet.

spk_0 Yeah. The birds. That's great. Interacting with the wildlife. You know it's nice to just take a

spk_0 breather. This is such a simple planet. We got through it all in one session. It's a little long if

spk_0 you count talking to people on the ship, but that's Cotor 2. You can count that. That's its own

spk_0 like you just have to go in a different brain mode for that. You can't you can't be running around

spk_0 Dan Tween in your day. You can't be doing your Dan Tween brain and bring Dan Tween brain to the

spk_0 Evan Hawk. You are you are not going to have a time. Different situation. Yeah. All right. Here's my

spk_0 summary. Last time we finished up on and above Narcida recruiting the feisty and street smart bounty

spk_0 hunter Mira or the furious and revenge driven wookie Hanhar and being recruited by exchange

spk_0 exchange crime lord godo who sees us as a stabilizing force and a galaxy coming apart at the seams.

spk_0 After talking to our respective new crew members and maybe finding out some secrets about both

spk_0 them and the other members of the Evan Hawk, we head off to Dan Tween home of a ruined Jedi

spk_0 enclave and upstart civilian outpost called kunda that's built into the farmhouse compound of

spk_0 one of the two big families we worked with in cotor one and a whole lot of mercenaries and

spk_0 salvagers both of whom see Dan Tween as a place to make a quick buck. We learn that somewhere out

spk_0 there on the grasslands, maybe in the ruins of the Jedi temple that revenue co visited during

spk_0 cotor one master Verrook is investigating a unit of mercenaries led by a man named Oscool and so we

spk_0 get it on our way talking to scavengers and militiamen and mugs helping them with and or stopping them

spk_0 from completing the most petty of schemes, schemes about moisture vaporators, schemes about corpses,

spk_0 schemes about phony holocrons and when we finally do reach the Jedi ruins, we do not find Verrook.

spk_0 Instead we find the disciple, a former Jedi padawan who is working with the Republic to do the same

spk_0 thing that godo wants us to do, stabilize things in this sector before it is too late.

spk_0 Oh, and what is the disciple's deal? Well, he was a padawan in the order just around the time

spk_0 that we are the exile or reaching our peak just around the time we left to go follow Revan and

spk_0 Malak to fight the Mandalorians. One time we even teaded a class for him and oh what an impression

spk_0 we made on the young mind of the disciple. Because once we left the order so did he,

spk_0 following in our footsteps, not to war, just to civilian status. We never really talked to him

spk_0 back then, but that afternoon lecture, oh, it really made a mark so inspiring and let me tell you,

spk_0 he has some opinions about our exile. Is it even fair to call it an exile? Really? Was it,

spk_0 were we even really exiled to the disciple may ask? I think we're going to have a lot to say about

spk_0 this man. In any case, we bring him into the party for some reason and we track down Veruke

spk_0 in the crystal caves that are overrun by big insect creatures that sound like pigs when you fight

spk_0 them and a group of mercenaries, assholes mercenaries, all of whom suck except for one guy who's

spk_0 kind of the homie as far as I'm concerned. You then free Veruke who tells you that you fucked up by

spk_0 freeing him and that now a big mercenary unit led by oscule is going to attack the village of

spk_0 at that point you get a choice. Work with oscule to overrun the nascent civilian government or

spk_0 fight them off in yet another sequence where star wars pretends to be seven samurai. Finally,

spk_0 you get a second confrontation with Veruke still played by a dasner by the way, he still kicks ass

spk_0 where he chides you, telling you that you're an asshole and that you were wrong about everything

spk_0 during the war and you're still wrong about everything now except for the one thing that you

spk_0 know that he doesn't, the Sith are back, they have revealed themselves, he didn't know that and

spk_0 they are gunning for you specifically the last of the Jedi. Dan Tween. Dan Tween, here we are.

spk_0 It's sort of the same map I did a comparison in the let's play video, someone on Reddit,

spk_0 Reddit user, Sut Tile Noir, SUTILE, NOIR pulled all the maps from Kotor 1 and Kotor 2 and that

spk_0 let me line them up and so the sort of Kotor 1 map lays right on top of, or in the Kotor 2 map

spk_0 lays right on top of the Kotor 1 map except it's really just like the northern half of it in a really

spk_0 weird way. One of the family compounds out of them. That is exactly right Rob. That is basically

spk_0 exactly right, I'll drop them in the chat for us to see here. It's like the northern half where the

spk_0 Matale compound was, the Matale grounds and then the north into ancient temple which is I think the

spk_0 Starforge zone and the Jedi Academy. That stuff is what's become the whole map of Dan Tween and

spk_0 they kind of pulled the Kinrath caves from the very bottom and just moved them up to the other part

spk_0 of the super wedged in. It is really wedged in. It is really wedged in. They just created a little gap

spk_0 in the texture and just like narrow little spaghetti noodle tunnel entrance. Exactly right.

spk_0 And then they made the place where you, I guess before would have just been north of the

spk_0 Matale grounds off the map. You could land a ship there. Don't worry about it. You could just land

spk_0 a ship there. It's fine. One of everybody think of Dan Tween and did I miss anything important? I

spk_0 don't think I did. So nobody is nobody wants to hang out with Nico Nast or tell him what their deal is.

spk_0 You're right. I forgot about this part. The disciple sure didn't want to hang out with Nico Nast.

spk_0 Oh really? All that happened for me was he leaves the enclave. Oh, did you not install the mods

spk_0 Rob? I did. Is this how I find out a mod didn't take? I think so. And God bless it. Oh my god.

spk_0 You don't need to. You don't need to. You don't need to. You don't need to. The one thing you're

spk_0 going to miss is some very good Krea comedy. Okay. Krea does not like this guy. All right. Well,

spk_0 now I'm going to need. But I think you're going to need. I'm going to need game tape on Krea.

spk_0 I will. That's so nice. So it didn't take because every this is the first time. I really

spk_0 shit that there's like content that because like I was like, yeah, this dude's just not

spk_0 interactive for me. I was like, he's you're you're hanging with the disciple because all he did

spk_0 for me was he ran over to a hollow a holocom and reached out to um, Carth interesting. I didn't get

spk_0 cars like, hey, I just found the exile and Carth was like, and then Harc is it's always weird when

spk_0 they do the cuts to the holocom conversations like, yeah. But so they've got cars looking for you

spk_0 or something. So okay. So that that answers that. I apparently have a gift for pissing off Krea.

spk_0 We are now two episodes past where everyone everyone else got Krea's full backstory. She will not

spk_0 talk to my exile about Revan. Won't do it. Funny. I'm like, I'm bringing her on adventures and

spk_0 being like, what do you think of this? I'm going to be really mean to this person. And Krea's like,

spk_0 you weren't supposed to be mean to that. Like I like I zig when I she's at it. It's just like

spk_0 this reading with Krea wants. So like that bonding is not happening. Uh, bonded with Atten.

spk_0 Okay. Atten. We can talk about it. Can we all talk about Atten now? We can do the Atten talk. Okay.

spk_0 Please. Okay. So, uh, how do you guys feel about

spk_0 tense transformative, psychosexual encounters with random women?

spk_0 Because it appears we have another one of those. We got another one. It's our origin story.

spk_0 The Atten sounds like a fucking serial killer as he explains his, yeah, I mean, I guess to

spk_0 the point is literally that's true. Right. But yeah, like I got Atten's full story. Yeah. And

spk_0 in so many words, there's also a little bit of like, you ever just hate a woman, like really

spk_0 cater and want to hurt her. But also you kind of love her a little bit. But the more you love her,

spk_0 the more you want to hurt her. Yeah. And it's like, no, but go on say more. Say more. Keep

spk_0 keep incriminating yourself. You actually can't stop him. It was he was a long story.

spk_0 Oh my god. I got this on the, I got this in the Narcita episodes on the streets of

spk_0 the, in the refugee quarter surrounded by people who themselves had been hurt badly. Like, okay,

spk_0 so those two guys are pumped to you and be like, hey, that guy that you're with, that guy's no good.

spk_0 And immediately I was like, at those two guys came over here and said you were no good. And he

spk_0 was like, well, fuck those guys. Wait, what did they say about me basically? And I was like, well,

spk_0 what did you, what's your deal? What happened to you? And so for the, for the listener who is not

spk_0 watching along or playing along, Atten, during the Jedi Civil War, fought on the side of the Sith,

spk_0 and was a Jedi killer. And you know what, I'm going to, I'm going to tell this story. And I think

spk_0 for the first 70% of it, people are going to be like, this is kind of cool. Yeah, I think that's

spk_0 a bit so frustrating for me. It's like looking through a kaleidoscope of like, what could be an

spk_0 interesting character that never lines up. This is like the worst his performance has been. I was like

spk_0 willing to give a lot of grace when we were complaining about it earlier, but this is the moment

spk_0 he has to hit it. There's a bit of the animals and I slaughtered them like animals have 100%.

spk_0 Yeah. So the, the very short version of this is he worked with the Sith. You know, the Jedi

spk_0 watched them watch his people die during the civil, the Jedi Civil War. He ends up getting pulled

spk_0 up by the Sith and he is an expert at killing Jedi and he does it the right way. He has this line

spk_0 about how it's like people talk about the Jedi being hard to kill. No, they're not. They go to

spk_0 sleep. Don't shoot at them with blasters. Don't try to fight them directly. Poison them. Bring

spk_0 them into your conscience. Target their paddewons. Target their paddewons. Drug them. Torture them.

spk_0 Like do the stuff that it takes to kill someone who you could never fight straight up. And you'd be

spk_0 like, yeah, buddy, all right. If you say so. And then, and then he explains like the, yeah, the

spk_0 thing that you just said Natalie, which is like, yeah, if you're fighting them and they have their

spk_0 paddewon hurt their paddewon, it freaks them out and then you can kill them. And then he goes on

spk_0 to actually screenshot the highlights of what he, he at this point where he, after he explains

spk_0 that he developed a seat like he was part of this like special like kill team, but also

spk_0 started working for like an interrogation division like taking Jedi to a facility is on to break

spk_0 them. Yeah. Infants. To break them in to dark Jedi. And you'd be like,

spk_0 tell me more, Adam, then you get the influence of that. How'd you end up here? Well, there was a

spk_0 woman, a Jedi. She, she gave her life for mine. She said that Revan was doing some

spk_0 terrible to Jedi with the unknown regions that when we captured Jedi, they were sent to a place

spk_0 designed to break them, which it feels like he was already in matched in like he already told you

spk_0 his job was to turn Jedi into dark Jedi. So here is the sloppy, weird, bad editing iteration stuff

spk_0 happening because it's like, you just told me that Adam. I did what I did with all Jedi. I heard

spk_0 her. I heard her a lot. I killed her for crawling in my head for showing me, for showing me that.

spk_0 But before she opened her mind to mine, my only thought was that I would love to kill her.

spk_0 And at the end, I killed her because I loved her. Whoa. Wow. In the end, she sacrificed herself to

spk_0 keep my secret to a vendous myth from knowing about that touch of the force inside me. She wasted

spk_0 her life to save me. Me because she realized he was a force sensitive. Yes, she's like, wait a

spk_0 second. She's there effectively to recruit him back, right? She realizes, oh, you are actually

spk_0 force sensitive. We could make you a Jedi. And then he turns into the dude from equilibrium.

spk_0 And after that, it couldn't stop feeling things before guilt, lust, impatience,

spk_0 it had been orchestrated, get close. Now it all just kept tumbling out. I couldn't keep doing what

spk_0 I was doing. I didn't want to tell you any of this, but I had to because if something happens,

spk_0 I can't let you think I was doing it for something other than the past.

spk_0 Yeah. Now I do. The many of many asked to be, they want to be a Jedi.

spk_0 Well, yeah, or dark Jedi, which I guess is what this is what I'm curious about. Natalie,

spk_0 did you turn him before or after you were dark side coated after? Oh, no. Yeah, I have an update

spk_0 about my squad. Is it going to be a picture of that? Okay.

spk_0 So yeah, but the reason I'm asking this is if you go through it as a Jedi is a light side

spk_0 character, what you get is this sort of a similar thing to what you get. I guess this is the first

spk_0 character. I don't know if I'm just turning the handmaid in yet or not or in each of these cases,

spk_0 you get something sort of like the cutscene where your where Krea is letting you feel everybody

spk_0 inside of the Evan Hawk, you're kind of like connecting to the force and hearing thoughts and

spk_0 stuff. And so similarly, when you sit with Atten in this moment, you can be like, hey,

spk_0 reach out your mind, reach out your feelings, you can feel the world around you.

spk_0 Yeah, it's not really. That wasn't really my approach with him. It was more like, imagine the

spk_0 slaughter of the war, the death and the energy it filled you with. Oh, hear the echo of the rage

spk_0 you felt during the war, feel the fires as Republic ships burn. You know, okay. Yeah, it's

spk_0 different from us, but it's, you know, yeah, you know, with this one, the way it works when

spk_0 you recruit him is you're like, it ended you being like, I need you to like feel the thing you

spk_0 need to feel to protect me because that's the relationship we have now. Not so much I need you to

spk_0 feel the burning of the galaxy beneath you. Oh, this is a, you send us a thing called whoopsies,

spk_0 not MKV. Wait, let me do it. I mean, it'll play in VLC, but okay, I can remix it if you need.

spk_0 Let me take a peek here. So that's just like a little, um, hey, what's up with baileders face?

spk_0 Excuse me. No, oh, oh, there's smoke over the droid. This is very funny. Not pay

spk_0 o' turn. Yeah. Oh my god. Yeah, T3 covered in black smoke is wild. So, you know,

spk_0 Krayas looking pretty positive. Pretty neutral. Pretty neutral sticking to sticking to,

spk_0 oh, you got to break the disciple. You got to break up that man. Here's the funny thing about

spk_0 the disciple because he's a dark Jedi now, but he's, but he's light-sided in the character

spk_0 selection screen. Because he doesn't, you don't have full influence in with, oh, but you might

spk_0 have right? I have, I went negative influence. I was like, I'm going to drop my influence with this guy

spk_0 to the floor, but because I am a Sith Lord, yeah, when I proceed to him, I can force him into being

spk_0 a dark Jedi, a dark Jedi concierge. But he hates you. He hates me, but, but, but, but, it's all the same

spk_0 dialogue. At that whole conversation, it's all the same. He's like, I saw you and I was like

spk_0 holy fuck. Yeah, well, it's so epic. Let's finish up with Atten before we talk about someone who

spk_0 I think is maybe worse because I think on paper, I don't have a defense of Atten. I think that

spk_0 this is gilding the lily is what I think it is. They do not need the bit of this story that is

spk_0 about choking a woman to death. Guy was a Sith assassin. He's really good. Guy who has been hiding

spk_0 who he is because what he used to do was kill Jedi and is like suddenly caught up in all this

spk_0 absolutely works. Do not need the long description of him killing a woman that he met and fell in

spk_0 love with and she left him and like none of that is necessary at all, I think. I think there's a

spk_0 version of this that is like I was so evil and when I was exposed to another possibility,

spk_0 the the the vast difference in that experience and that potential scared me so much that I reacted

spk_0 in the only way that I knew how, which was to keeping evil to, you know, to kill this woman for,

spk_0 like that part I get, like I can see that as like a as a as a reaction to the the possibility that

spk_0 there is a choice for him that he could abandon this side and that he has something in him that

spk_0 can open him up to the light side. Like that I could I could more so justify the idea that

spk_0 there's two really really weird lines for me outside of just like the concept of it. One was

spk_0 him talking about, you know, I did what I did with all Jedi, I hurt her and right when I thought

spk_0 she couldn't take it anymore, she showed me the force in my head, I felt everything she felt

spk_0 and I heard just an echo of what the force was. I think I think I loved her, but it wasn't that

spk_0 kind of love. It was the kind of love where you're willing to give up everything for someone you

spk_0 don't even know and then she's like, you know, and then he says at the end, I killed her because I

spk_0 loved her. I'm like, no, you fucking didn't. What are you talking about? The case is, it's to be clear

spk_0 because I think this is unclear. What he is doing is killing her so she doesn't get brought to

spk_0 Revin to be turned into a dark Jedi. I don't think that that is exceptionally clear,

spk_0 nor do I think it's particularly useful. I think, you know, I think that there are other outcomes

spk_0 here that are that prevent the character from having his big backstory moment being that he killed

spk_0 a woman because of love. I don't think that it lands. But he says, but he says in the end,

spk_0 she sacrificed herself to keep my secret, to prevent this from knowing about that touch of

spk_0 the force inside me. She wasted her life to save me. And I felt her die when she opened her mind.

spk_0 Like that just the, the, I felt her die when she opened her mind is like really, weirdly,

spk_0 like violating and it feels very again in this game.

spk_0 It's a conflict. Yeah.

spk_0 Just an element of like, hey, man, we'd like you to stop, we'd like you to stop attending the meetings.

spk_0 Like that's kind of how it like is, let me tell you about my lowest point. And when I knew I had

spk_0 to turn over a new leaf and it's, to your point Austin, like it's just too many things happening

spk_0 in the story. We already had this kind of cool description of what his whole deal was. And then

spk_0 there's this weird like encounter with a saint. That is, that is, that is, like just that's what it

spk_0 is. I don't even mind the encounter with the saint. Encounter with the saint. I am blasted by the

spk_0 full power and brilliance of the force. And I fled like a coward. That's when I came to Naras Shada.

spk_0 I couldn't even, I didn't even last the whole war. I turned my back on everyone and everything.

spk_0 I couldn't bring myself to love her. I couldn't bring myself to love myself. You know, perfect.

spk_0 Good. Doesn't end with him needing the game needs the punctuation of a dead woman over and over again.

spk_0 Preferably one that was locked up with you and you were just slapping around for a few weeks.

spk_0 That was so beautiful. I don't think he says that, but he kind of says that. You know,

spk_0 oh, again, it's, it's like, what I look at a painting of Madonna and child. I don't want to

spk_0 fuck the Madonna, but that's kind of ends my life. Like it wasn't like that, but a bit like with

spk_0 Krea. What it is? It is just like such a, it just feels like such a perversion of what's

spk_0 being presented as like her selflessness or like her sacrifice. The fact that it's he wraps her

spk_0 sacrifice around in his own desire for her and not just desire like wrote in a loving way

spk_0 in his version of what love is, but also his desire to hurt her. Like that's I think where this

spk_0 gets really gross where it's like she, it's it like goes beyond. I don't know. It's just,

spk_0 it's really hard to give at in any grace in this because I think just the emphasis on what he

spk_0 derived from getting to hurt her was just so unnecessary. Like I think it could have started with,

spk_0 started and ended with exactly how you described it, Austin of like I was shown the brilliance of

spk_0 the light side of the force and and I could not bear to witness it. And and for that, I destroyed

spk_0 everything around me. That I can totally kind of get behind, but the the it being centered around this

spk_0 specifically this woman and also like so much language around loving her and loving hurting her.

spk_0 That's where I have a hard time. By the role. I didn't know Neil Gaiman.

spk_0 I can't solve it on this one, but this does feel like one of his, like something he would have

spk_0 tossed into a story. But but also it feels tossed in because it does feel sloppily inserted.

spk_0 And that's what makes the insertion so weird is not weird. This game has done this like versions of

spk_0 this relationship like this feels like the half the like the sixth or seventh time that we've

spk_0 sort of like circled around this kind of fucked up power dynamic abusive relationship. But in

spk_0 this one, it just it actually doesn't quite square because it's it's also like revelation on

spk_0 revelation like pile together. And the more interesting one is that this is a guy who

spk_0 became disillusioned about the Jedi. Like this part over shadows with actually pretty good origin

spk_0 story, which is that this is guy who becomes completely disillusioned by the Jedi order during the

spk_0 completely bought into revenue, fundamentally, revenue. What what revenue is up to being one of the

spk_0 only people who goes out and confronts the Mandalorians. And in the wake of that experience being

spk_0 a witness to the way the Jedi evaded facing up to what was happening, he becomes cynical about

spk_0 everything the Jedi preach and everything about the the order and the things they purport to

spk_0 represent and pass on to their to their students and future Jedi. And then when the time comes to

spk_0 kick off the Jedi civil war, he is an eager volunteer because at this point, he follows Revan into

spk_0 battle. Like Revan is like his leader. Revan is the is the Jedi order as far as he is concerned.

spk_0 And Revan uses that to turn this soldier into effectively like a gistapo agent. And he becomes

spk_0 sort of a assassin and a secret policeman and gets deep into doing all sorts of murderous and cruel

spk_0 acts. That is all to the good. And it is just the way his salvation is like introduced here through

spk_0 the offices of this unknown sainted woman, no details, just like so saying so pure. And that is

spk_0 where he moves to reform his ways. It's just kind of it odds with it doesn't add anything to the

spk_0 story, but also it doesn't feel totally contiguous with it because everything else

spk_0 it feels like two different stories. You're right. Yeah. Yeah. Like because what Kraya locks onto with

spk_0 him is all guilt about the war. And like what he did. And the like everything is pointing to where

spk_0 the story he tells you to start out. And then his redemption story. And maybe it goes wrong because

spk_0 because in a weird way. And this is where I sort of draw the comparison to

spk_0 stories that get passed around in like evangelical or faith communities where everyone's got to have

spk_0 some sort of bullshit narrative, personal narrative between like about them and the Lord

spk_0 directly. And they have to take mundane experiences, realizations to elevate them to a level

spk_0 like cosmic purpose and intent. And that's where we get this like sainted figure injected into the

spk_0 story because what's been laid out is the more satisfying resolution that story is probably

spk_0 adding fundamentally never strikes us as this guy who would be a bloodthirsty murder. You know what I

spk_0 mean? Like he doesn't that could if he's done that work, you could easily imagine it took a

spk_0 massive psychological toll on him. That's what Kraya seems to be pointed like she is jamming her

spk_0 thumb into that wound that he is consumed by shaming guilt over what he's done. You don't need an

spk_0 encounter with a saint who shines the light of God into your soul and makes you realize that like

spk_0 damn we're all people. Maybe I'm doing this to people and they're not so different from me. I

spk_0 could be one of them. That's fucked up. He doesn't need that. But the story kind of gives him that

spk_0 anyway. And it's it is it returns this game sort of obsession with these sort of like power dynamics.

spk_0 But it makes a hard left turn from what we have seen and what has been implied and what has been

spk_0 said about and by Atten. Well, I think it's yeah. Sorry. Go ahead, Ali. Yeah. I just think like

spk_0 it especially has cheapened because his revelation and his coming to this and the change in

spk_0 emotion that he has from this this woman doesn't even feel lived in like you know the the when you

spk_0 are seeing a revelation upon revelation like one of the things that I really liked about this

spk_0 conversation is at least because the influence unlocked for me it ends up feeling like this sort of

spk_0 rolling argument. Yeah. You go back to the ebb and hawk you confront him you're like hey

spk_0 some guy said some weird stuff about you you want to talk about it and he says oh well I'm not

spk_0 going to talk to you about that. Uh Jedi lie they manipulate every act of kindness they do you can

spk_0 grab it out screaming into the light and then like you know you keep pushing him and then finding

spk_0 he's like yeah I killed her and I loved her and me and it's just like you know that on top of like

spk_0 it's not like he came away from feeling this emotion feeling this guilt about killing her and

spk_0 thinking like oh I need to have this investment in the Jedi order or I need to change my feelings

spk_0 about them or I am at least going to have empathy for you know his whole thing is always like

spk_0 I feel vulnerable around the Jedi and he never comes to like feeling that vulnerability was like

spk_0 a feeling of affection as well. Well it always hates that always and just like it's feels like

spk_0 it's just such a waste of having that happen and having it such an extreme thing that happens

spk_0 and having to sit there and listen to him be like and I killed her and I liked it but I loved her

spk_0 and I didn't like it like it's just it just doesn't feel good ever because it's not written well

spk_0 and it's not performed well either. Yeah yeah and I think like especially playing as a female

spk_0 exile this is like so dizzying because the fact that he just like at the end his like final

spk_0 like justification for it all is maybe she had saved me so that I could help you and if I can't

spk_0 then I have to try. So it's like so what you're telling me is that you killed and loved this other

spk_0 woman and now you clearly love you have a love for me and like it was all for for me and I'm just

spk_0 like imagining it because obviously I'm playing as a dark side Jedi so the whole time I was like

spk_0 yes yes that's great. If the dark side option here stuff like oh she was lying to you about what

spk_0 you what she saw on you actually yes yes yes yes yes I was a huge line trick to you yes 100%

spk_0 I you say when she says that when she she opens up his mind to the force you can respond and say

spk_0 like Jedi lies like these are you know classic you know that these are strategies that the Jedi

spk_0 use you know that the Jedi can access your own emotions that's kind of the position that the

spk_0 dark side takes but imagining playing this as a light side female exile is like so are you supposed

spk_0 to absolve him of the sins that he's oh yeah like that is just wows a wows a you so like as a as

spk_0 a light-sided exile this person is like making this huge confession to you about these

spk_0 immeasurable sins and then a very specific sin that he cast against this woman that he tied up in

spk_0 in desire and in perversion and etc. And then he comes to you and wants to be cleansed of that and

spk_0 wants to redirect his devotion to you like it's just such a bizarre ask and if I'm I'm the light

spk_0 side Jedi I can how can I be like even you even you can you know come back from this it's like

spk_0 such a you don't have to do that you can literally say I can't forgive you for this and he'll say

spk_0 I don't want you to forgive me that would only make it worse but I'm still gonna become a Jedi

spk_0 the staple of you all I want to try and help try and make a difference pay her back I feel I

spk_0 over that much you over being alive again you should die now actually it's not like I can fix him

spk_0 doesn't hit I know like that's why it's so pretty is like it's like seeing a plate of like sort of

spk_0 good ingredients that are just all bird to like not emulsified the way that we should be like you

spk_0 know if we read his wiki pay his wiki pd a page I think we would all be we could fix him

spk_0 but it's a delivery it's the performance it's yeah the dot that's particulars of the dialogue

spk_0 writing and the pacing makes him less cool like the the Pizakman log is so money yeah he like

spk_0 is so much about him is exactly the type of stuff that I loved the conceptual I don't think it

spk_0 I think for cool this is in the in the line readings but it's our worst stuff I would have loved

spk_0 in Clone Wars of this character had been introduced like if if there was a like soldier who is

spk_0 just always think like it has sort of figured out like you know it's that moment in like

spk_0 brainvaders where the the clones all look at each other like Jedi are so tough this is not hard yeah

spk_0 and we have like a lot of cool material here and then yeah it's the hard left turn sucks but then also

spk_0 I think this is a horrible way to have a party member be like and now I want to be a Jedi

spk_0 it was shocking to me that after that he was like by the way do you want to trade me and I was like

spk_0 I need to bid it bro like I need to wash my hands like get away me and I infested all my money

spk_0 and and stock like you said the words at and is me out now I really like that and I was like

spk_0 I can't wait to get this soon I will say again at two things in that in favor there's more game

spk_0 to play we know there's a lot of at and as primary you know in a primary plot relationship

spk_0 with Kraya and it's like clearly caught up in main plot shit because of their deal and importantly

spk_0 another guy came to our ship today who I think is just more rancid in unsavable ways

spk_0 but we'll see so by comparison yeah and I want to see and those two don't seem to like each other

spk_0 off the bat I don't know if you all y'all had atten with you when you met him but vibes are off

spk_0 so I think I made a good decision uh Beo is my Dan Tuein buddy love this and he's unlocking doors

spk_0 opening chats with those moisture vaporators yep he's like why the fuck do you need moisture

spk_0 vaporators the same ha Tuein this is wetland is great totally catches what that dude is up to

spk_0 I missed this so you'll have to explain what this is to me but wait before we leave the Evan Hawk

spk_0 did anyone else get the go-to conversation um you could go columbumode on go-to and it rules

spk_0 I haven't yet you should okay um I got a lot of mirror short like mirror just started unloading

spk_0 mirror is a Jedi for me now too and I have to tell you it's very funny when your game is bugged

spk_0 and the scene where she turns into a Jedi is happening on narshadah with Hanhar in the background

spk_0 because he never spawned from earlier in the game and she's giving you all this information about

spk_0 what the relationship was between her and Hanhar and how like what they're what their backstory was

spk_0 to try ball at you get into in a second but he is right there behind her basically deposing the whole

spk_0 time and then you do the whole thing of like reach out your your mind listen to the beats of

spk_0 narshadah and uh she's like I'm doing it I'm listening I can feel narshadah around me and Hanhar

spk_0 is right behind her in the frame what why did this happen you so every time you're as there you know

spk_0 it's just he's never left Hanhar spawned there for a cutscene or something once and he will never

spk_0 not be there for me now I'll send the screenshot oh please do that what did you learn about Mira

spk_0 so much um you know obviously a rough and tumble background on on on narshadah a war orphan

spk_0 uh you know sort of um war orphan and also like a freed slave right yeah was a was a mandalorian

spk_0 so there was a slave of the mandalorians during the mandalorian wars her and her family

spk_0 was there on malachor five at the end of the war but was also kind of

spk_0 buying into the mandalorian thing because like they train their young slaves to be like

spk_0 young candidate mandalorians like you this is very this is very um the steam press field gates of

spk_0 fire vision of like the Spartans type type thing where it's like actually being enslaved by

spk_0 this part and it's kind of rules because you get to like hang out with these cool badasses and if

spk_0 you're uh enough of badass yourself they they they bring you aboard yeah anyway yeah did you get the

spk_0 bit you must have gotten this bit where she's like I really love narshadah because um or like

spk_0 there's another way I like narshadah I like being a bounty hunter in our shada and there's

spk_0 something I do that isn't the traditional bounty hunting stuff I like help people I like help find

spk_0 people on narshadah yes I can like seek people out and then you get the I just got that

spk_0 knack that's six cents for for finding people right they're gonna do and your brain the player

spk_0 is like well obviously it's because you have the force obvious like like yeah but then you get

spk_0 did you get the three options that were like intelligence awareness wisdom and it's three different

spk_0 versions of like oh it's because you're an orphan you know you know how to do it's like just the

spk_0 point sailing past 100 percent but then what I love about it is all three of those options and

spk_0 I don't remember the exact details but you know the intelligence one is like very interesting you

spk_0 know people who've been lost sometimes can can you are good at finding things you know like that

spk_0 type of armchair psychologist bullshit all three of them she's like hey shut the fuck up actually

spk_0 like I don't what are you talking about like don't tell me what my life is like actually and I'd

spk_0 love that bit like we'll walk away for it's like that's it that's the end of that conversation if

spk_0 you go down that path with her she will not I got them it's she says you can say like finding

spk_0 people in narshadah seems difficult and then she's like yeah it's hard to explain narshadah has

spk_0 a flow to it a life to it at this point in the conversation she'd already shut me down and I was

spk_0 like oh that's the force the thing talking about is the force she says if you know your target you

spk_0 could feel them know where they're gonna go and sometimes you know what they're gonna do before they

spk_0 do I'm good at finding people because that because when they're lost about a place it's like

spk_0 something's wrong inside of them that's why I hunt and you can say either maybe you hunt because

spk_0 you haven't stopped searching for the family you lost at malachore or a new family or you can

spk_0 say it could be because you lost your family you understand what it means to be lost or it's not

spk_0 uncommon for orphans to feel lost or dissociated perhaps you feel an affinity for others who are lost

spk_0 and she says uh what are you talking about oh really is it how can you ever know how can you ever

spk_0 possibly hope to understand that is but beyond me Jedi don't have family I know what happened

spk_0 on malachore five and I know that Jedi didn't care about life there bang yeah get him yeah that's bars

spk_0 yeah I mean shut up yeah yeah and well if you talk to at and after she said that he's like

spk_0 I heard you're making friends with the bounty hunter but then she does start to warm up to you

spk_0 uh after once again I was like all right they put at least this is one character who's like

spk_0 not immediately exile obsessed because like it's like hey I'd like to get to know you Mira please

spk_0 you're gonna be my dad this is weird and gross okay cool all right next next time

spk_0 well I don't really want to get to know you too well because uh Visa seems like she's marked her

spk_0 territory yeah it's like what yeah the first thing to clear nothing has happened like this is just

spk_0 like Visa is just hanging I have not because like I don't want to push those conversations too much

spk_0 until I know it's not gonna lock up handmade handmaiden's conversations and I can't

spk_0 guess the handmade until I get swole and his channel will be more here in the fight so maybe don't

spk_0 level her up a few times yeah yeah yeah uh because she is just let me let me tell you like

spk_0 she got hands she that's in the name that's they don't call her footmaiden that's different

spk_0 that's what else uh you need to kick me in the first time I talked to Mira I had maxed my light

spk_0 side points and so we haven't never spoken on the ship before at this point the first thing she says

spk_0 is oh hey uh can I ask you something oh my god your face you well you have this glow I mean not a real

spk_0 glow it's like you're calm at peace but it's more than that you've been chewing on spice have you

spk_0 to which one of the things you can say is I don't poison my body with spice I don't use drugs Mira

spk_0 okay Jill anyway yeah straight edge exile just getting more toxic and Rob maybe this was

spk_0 the same conversation for you because that's where she says like oh I just it looked like you're

spk_0 hooked up to a power coupling I thought maybe for a second there you and Vsauce just it's just

spk_0 the force yeah and also every time they keep this portrait maybe the you know what maybe this

spk_0 game's gonna do a great rug poll and I'd be like this was the the signs were there all long that

spk_0 this like a villain origin story because every time at and then now Mira being like hey you just

spk_0 got like this way about you know I just don't know I feel like Charles fucking Manson I feel like

spk_0 I feel like the Evan Hawk it's just roaming through the hills looking for you can't you have that

spk_0 that is I think the thing about the exile right like we would want to talk all about the

spk_0 vroom stuff yet but when you talk to him he even says like yeah everyone's always been worried about

spk_0 you with the weird charisma power basically like you've always had a way of bonding those

spk_0 that's Kyle said that Kraia seems interested in us partly because we can do this thing I think

spk_0 this is a game in which you play Charles Manson and and our building the exile family and what goes

spk_0 from there is up to you but like I think it's just a really cool van yeah and you know I think the

spk_0 game is will eventually be very clear that it thinks that that's a little weird I think it's already

spk_0 the you're hitting on things something I think the game is knows which is it's a little weird

spk_0 that you can do this to people and maybe that's not good you know I feel like the first time

spk_0 because it wasn't so we'll get to it on Dan to me but I feel like even before I land on Dan to

spk_0 me somebody else I spoke with maybe Kraia but like brought up this notion that

spk_0 this made people uncomfortable that this ability to drop people in made like kind of weirded

spk_0 people out back when you were in the order remember who the who the conversation was with but

spk_0 yeah I don't want to see there but that sounds like it could be Kraia yeah so it's it's a weird

spk_0 one and you got Bayo who even back from the war is like I'll go wherever you go general general yeah

spk_0 which is now increasingly all these things that were like oh wow like the exile everyone seems

spk_0 like weirdly like kind of crushing on the exile now it's starting to lock into place as like an

spk_0 almost yeah just like a it's like a person that would mind yeah yeah yeah right which is something

spk_0 that should have worked with Atten by the way in some ways which is like oh you went Natalie when

spk_0 you're playing dark sided and you're telling him oh that Jedi woman was playing tricks on your mind

spk_0 you are playing tricks on his mind and there should be some value there but they like they like you

spk_0 know completely scratch the takeoff on it such that it's like you can't even bring it in for a

spk_0 landing because it was so fun you know fucked up on the launch it's true I was just gonna say that

spk_0 I think like I don't think this I think it's a effect of how this game is structured in the way

spk_0 that these hit but the fact that right off the bat in meeting someone you can have like one

spk_0 conversation that maximizes your influence with them and if I take that literally if I really

spk_0 imagine you know myself the the exile just talking to Vsauce for like you know a couple hours

spk_0 and by the end of it even if you extrapolate and pretend that it's a few hours exactly exactly

spk_0 like that's weird it's weird that I'm able to to to move to change people to like

spk_0 to to bring people into being you know prestige them as Jedi like the fact that

spk_0 everything is so heightened and accelerated and that people feel so they can talk to me about

spk_0 deep dark things about their past so easily that I can get information from people so easily like

spk_0 all of this is like bizarre and so even it's right it's true for every video game right it is

spk_0 true for every game which is not me defending it this is me suggesting one of the things co-tor two

spk_0 is interested in is what is the video game protagonist right the exile has the special ability to make

spk_0 people open up to them using the force no they don't they're the video game protagonist that's

spk_0 the that's shepherd that's every video game protagonist they got a little meter that goes up

spk_0 when someone likes them and then they get access to the secrets that they have inside and maybe

spk_0 you get a fuck them at the end like it is that it's just also rushed for real I don't want to defend

spk_0 it too much because when when in the room I met the disciple in after I stopped talking to him once

spk_0 and started talking to him again he said as we've been traveling together it's just something I've

spk_0 picked up on and like we're traveling together we went two feet my man yeah yeah no that I

spk_0 collect that too what it that happened and I was like the journey of a lifetime I don't know

spk_0 you I don't want to it does feel like it almost feels like what like in playing Undertale where you

spk_0 eventually get the kind of self reflection of how you you know the the kind of one of the aspects

spk_0 of that game being like an examination of what does it mean to play an RPG and to kill mobs and

spk_0 you know what is the normal yeah load your save yeah all these kind of like RPG conventions what if

spk_0 you examine them diogenically and like and and actually had to confront the kind of mechanics of

spk_0 affecting the world around you it it almost feels like co-tour is doing that but with the concept of

spk_0 the player the the non the whatever this type of RPG the the the relationship based

spk_0 RPG of of the biowares that would come and yeah you know part of the three now and everything else

spk_0 though I will say part of this really is just bad pacing yes that you're talking about yes that is

spk_0 weirdly one of the like oh it's kind of a good that handmade and requires you to be there in a

spk_0 fist fight to get a little bit story because at least it it put it put some like blockers like some

spk_0 obstacles in your progression of the relationship so that it can break out over time rather than speed

spk_0 run it in a conversation I think because I went before I left Narcita I grabbed Atten and Mira to

spk_0 do a quick like tour of the place accidentally killed loads of people but where I never dealt with

spk_0 the saracco thugs so I open the storage locker thinking they they don't like me not so I just

spk_0 had to kill like 500 people and then people are like oh I can't possibly go out of refuge you can't

spk_0 because there's too many exchange people around and I'm like let me take care of that so then I

spk_0 went around like Pac-Man just like covering up little groups of exchange thugs yeah and then I was

spk_0 like hey lady just follow the trail of dead to the exit and you can go be with your husband

spk_0 and like doing one thing with this nicer people Mira was like huh you're not like I thought you

spk_0 were let me tell you about Hanhar oh yeah so Hanhar real bad dude so so Hanhar is now

spk_0 a little like motion you got a year from his perspective you're only here from here then we'll

spk_0 hear from honor maybe from my maybe from my side the Jedi are evil that's right yeah exactly so

spk_0 Hanhar saw what Zerco was doing on Kishik and was like I could get in on that and started

spk_0 rolling around like like becoming becoming a slaver is his kind of his origin story but also just

spk_0 like intense sadist just just just just go just going around you know kiddaping people brutalizing

spk_0 them you know selling them but it very clear like the violence the cruelty was was what Hanhar

spk_0 was was all about and then like got these time to hunt Mira right like that was his his job but Mira

spk_0 has a little she has a code she doesn't kill anyone so she laid a trap for no Hanhar laid trap for her

spk_0 but she's got her little mind perk she can just dance between the between the minds of the

spk_0 minds exploded I think because she had a little like a thing that could cause them to malfunction

spk_0 right was that part of it is that she has that's right yeah she she knows how to she jams them

spk_0 with her signal and then oh and then they're only temporarily different yeah that's right so he

spk_0 follows her now and who would act of minefield that she just turned off it comes back on all the minds

spk_0 explode and she saves him and now he's trapped by this life debt because wookies it's

spk_0 bone deep with a wookie wookie can't choose to violate a like like like debt it's just like it's so

spk_0 that's that's hardwired in in the wookiee people I'll be a slaver but if somebody sees my life I have

spk_0 to I've bound to my honor to them you know we're so just have to have to do it that's what being a

spk_0 wookie is yeah so he's been hunting her ever since trying to get out from under this life debt

spk_0 basically like trying to kill her so that he no longer owes this life debt to anyone she's kept

spk_0 like trying to spare his life and run away um the other thing comes through in that and this is

spk_0 another another moment where you start wondering is the is the exile having entirely good influence

spk_0 on people she mentions she again she never kills anyone until she hooked up with your crew

spk_0 yeah ever since she and mind you my Jedi my exile is as light-sided as can be just about like we

spk_0 are we are pegged in the like like top like the the the light of the force is shining down

spk_0 I got that glow about me and she's like ever since I hooked up with your crew I don't know what it

spk_0 is it's just like easier for me to kill people though yeah she litter that is exactly what she says

spk_0 she says it's like a reflex I don't like it and I don't know when or why it became so easy huh

spk_0 uh pure light side in this conversation you can get a plus one light side point because you

spk_0 can be like all life is connected that's why you don't like to kill people please do you

spk_0 yeah but like don't stop how do you how do you square that how do you square being a light-side Jedi

spk_0 and getting mirror to kill people for the first time and being like and we're gonna keep doing

spk_0 this like how how well it's kind of interesting because it's not like you're saying go kill someone

spk_0 that's right it's just that just being around you now she's able to pull the trigger like that she

spk_0 never would before but now she can do it and it's regular grenades and not just stun grenades now

spk_0 because you hit the throw regular grenade button so basically she goes from being

spk_0 Robin to being like red hood is is kind of the kind of the arc here uh where just being around you

spk_0 it's like actually you know what we should kill the Joker and his henchman too and that's

spk_0 kind of where she's just like just crossing people off I don't know yeah uh and doesn't know where

spk_0 came from and again my Jedi is not like wantonly killing anyone it's just well okay I should take that

spk_0 back so like Austin's made this point before the game does incentivize making sure there's not a

spk_0 single enemy left alive in your sleep yeah yeah yeah yeah uh yeah did you manage to make her or

spk_0 sorry go ahead Ali well I do think like this this like pressure point here is why it feels like

spk_0 it's kind of a failure of the game to not make the NPCs more invested in the overall mission

spk_0 so when there are these moments of like everybody grouping up like that moment on narshadaw and like

spk_0 at needs to rally the troops like who are these people why do they talk to each other we don't have

spk_0 enough team meetings yeah like krea doesn't want anyone there uh

spk_0 uh baiyo doesn't fuck with adnet all like you you could see more splintered relationships

spk_0 between the crew than you can like camaraderie and I think that's good character writing but it's not

spk_0 like good like I think that like what we're missing through a lot of these these influence checks

spk_0 are at least the like sort of mass effect to like uh companion mission where you can like make your

spk_0 case to each character at least have them be able to say like this is why I care about fighting the

spk_0 Sith this is why I'm invested in this sort of thing and and and said her just being like well like

spk_0 kill people now and I I don't really know but that's the thing you know I like that about this they

spk_0 don't care about about killing the Sith they care about you you care about feeling the sick and I

spk_0 think that that's what the game is doing is like um it's at and followed Revin because Revin did

spk_0 something good at envelopes you because you have forespond that's different Revin saved his

spk_0 people in the Mandalorian Civil War and earned his loyalty you showed up and have an ability by which

spk_0 you can magically influence other people again the thing all video game characters of the genre seem

spk_0 to have and I think that is diogenic as Natalie pointed out and intentional and I think it's

spk_0 something that Kraya is really tuned into and it goes back to the big conversation Kraya had

spk_0 earlier about the difference between a teacher and the leader and your particular brand of leader

spk_0 she cannot gain influence with NPCs she has to resort to blackmail and force tricks you can

spk_0 literally just hit the right dialogue button and make someone a dark Jedi as Natalie is now doing

spk_0 I can't believe you gave him Darth Maul face paint I didn't do that that he he went in the back

spk_0 Natalie one painted like kitty cat so that's true that is just what she does it's like welcome to the crew

spk_0 oh yeah you should look for that photo of Rob just he'd like still at least care about the

spk_0 environment and stuff okay yeah he wants to be fucked up and gothic and twisted none of his what's

spk_0 okay so this is actually the part that's kind of frustrating with being dark-sided is everyone

spk_0 will still be like you look like you're rotting from the inside and I'll be like bro you too like

spk_0 we're being this together what do you mean like shit bro you're like like cooked and like it's

spk_0 that's the vibe now like this is the vibe for us and it's it's kind of there's a little bit of

spk_0 dissidence with it because on one hand I could sort of justify the oh they're putting they're

spk_0 putting me above themselves and that like they're they're unable to see their own like

spk_0 they're not even looking at kind of looking inwards or looking at themselves they're so concerned

spk_0 with me that like my well-being is of utmost importance but at the same time they still say like

spk_0 you can still be saved you know it's not too late for you etc meanwhile they're literally

spk_0 already a dark Jedi and so I'm like it's a little bit weird um but you know I let it be I did have

spk_0 I'm looking at the Beodor conversion and it doesn't he doesn't have one it's the same as if

spk_0 you turn him into a Jedi what do you mean really what's the tech did you turn him into a Jedi

spk_0 a dark Jedi you did yeah what he's I'm looking at the breakdown on on this thing is there a

spk_0 is there a different light what did you tell him I told him I have it here

spk_0 bale bale bale bale bale bale because for me it was like him being like I can't go down this path

spk_0 general I hurt so many people I'm very sad about it still I was so filled with anger and hate

spk_0 and part of the thing that I love with this with turning him into a Jedi is what you get with him is

spk_0 very much like oh being a Jedi means you're going to have to learn how to control that desire

spk_0 for for hurting other people the desire for vengeance desire to kill because if you don't you're

spk_0 going to become a dark Jedi and I don't think you're going to become a dark Jedi I trust you to

spk_0 take that seriously enough that you hold that you confront those feelings and become even even

spk_0 and become good you that you that you like overcome that hatred are there is it the same dialogue

spk_0 because in that dialogue tree there were times where I could be like it was good that you killed

spk_0 all those Mandalorians and the haters felt good but didn't feel like it was a different

spk_0 path away yeah yeah it um so I actually am realizing that I need like one more plus influence with

spk_0 Bale Der I didn't I didn't procedure me yet I just double checked but it is the same there is no

spk_0 special unless there's something in the restored content mod that is not in the wiki here

spk_0 um I'll follow up after yeah I get I get a little bit more I like literally need I think like

spk_0 a couple more points he painted his face for you he's like what do you need anything I'm like

spk_0 I the only thing I can ask for is like some fucking repair kits or whatever

spk_0 and I'm like I wanted to I want to have a conversation with you but for some reason

spk_0 I need to like bring you out one more time on another planet and then we can do this thing but

spk_0 whatever it almost makes me want to have the the mod where you can check the influence with everyone

spk_0 because yeah it's out there just being yeah going dark side and also trying to prestige everyone

spk_0 it does require a lot of balancing my decision making when I'm making choices like I can't just

spk_0 kind of like go with like just vibe out in my conversations I've like usually I'm consulting

spk_0 a guy that is telling me what's gonna gain me influence what's not um are you max red at this point

spk_0 do you have the like t3 was smoking like t3 was like yeah character portrait is in like pretty low

spk_0 active volcano okay if you hit max low what what I've learned is the the cheap way the non-mod

spk_0 way to check influence if you have maximum or like minimum morality if you're at totally light

spk_0 you get this big beam of light behind you the light sideers here will know what I'm talking about

spk_0 maybe maybe they won't rob do you have this I did and then I just pillar okay yeah you made

spk_0 something unkind yeah of course when you have that if another character has that you have

spk_0 max influence with them oh that must be the dark smoke yeah I think that's probably the gray smoke

spk_0 that makes the most sense okay so you definitely have it maxed out with t3 and t3 is that you

spk_0 really fucked up t3 I know it's so ridiculous that he's evil but I think that's here's another

spk_0 thing that's maybe interesting on the influence thing you can't you can't make uh obviously the

spk_0 droid Jedi's and you can't make Mandalore Jedi you can still influence them but you can't make them

spk_0 a Jedi uh including Mandalore who theoretically I'm just a person but you can't like give him

spk_0 the force uh the the the fact that there is a hard limit on that and you can't influence Krea so

spk_0 you get influence with Krea but you can't change her morality she's just Krea she's Krea coated

spk_0 she's Krea coated although there are some particle effects in her um how yeah maybe she can

spk_0 like go a little blue a little a little red but like there's like some little

spk_0 little blue than you yellow sparks hmm interesting it might just be like the grayness the gray smoke of it all

spk_0 um yeah so but yeah with bowdur I haven't really been able to have a a conversation yeah we need to get

spk_0 there um should we talk about the between we know we've we is there anybody else we actually had deep

spk_0 conrows with quick thing uh Austin you just made a good point about like this game being a sort of um

spk_0 hi like a sort of a deconstruction of like tropes of like hey like we're just like examine

spk_0 the literal text of what is happening in a the what should be ludonarity of dissonance uh in

spk_0 routine and RPGs the I think the mirror thing her killing people right left is playing with the

spk_0 notion that in RPGs ostensibly every encounter is to the death right and nobody cares because the

spk_0 enemies flash and disappear and turn the XP but it's not like you see but like all these games also have

spk_0 like almost all of them have like child characters who come join the group like final fantasy there's

spk_0 always like a kid or two basically who's like tagging along and if what the game is to pay things

spk_0 literally happening that it's like okay you come come join my merry band of mass murders and

spk_0 like so mirrors never killed anyone until she was stuck in a combat encounter with you for the

spk_0 first time where you have no choice but to just wipe everyone out because coach or it does not

spk_0 let you take someone down a one HP and knock him out your hand yeah like they even if you force push

spk_0 them they're dead they're effectively dead which I guess is like in a weird way you could test

spk_0 that right not literally but like if you went out with Mira was soon as you got her and only used

spk_0 force push to win fights and she didn't an all in you unequipped physical like weapons from everybody

spk_0 and put her on passive she would still report that you were killing people now obviously it's like

spk_0 bullshit like I understand I'm being I'm being kind of pedantic here but like she is going to say

spk_0 I kill people now even if you've never killed someone with her in your party

spk_0 which is just the limits of this thing one but and Mira again feeling like she is the twisted

spk_0 version of mission and yes this is Al Zabar and the way that like mission is your sniper

spk_0 like like like like the little orphan kid that's right we adopt your tutorial planet

spk_0 is like headshotting people that's right by the end of the tutorial planet like this is like this is

spk_0 like if lay on the professional seamlessly turns into American sniper that's right and

spk_0 oh like that's really weird that like this little kid is going on adventures with you and then

spk_0 like she I sure hope my brother loves me I wonder where he is hang on one second I gotta lead this guy

spk_0 a little bit more yeah and explodes and then it's like he's turned over a new leaf he's gonna start

spk_0 a micro group I hope they're doing okay not they're not because I had Zabar killer but you know

spk_0 is your games yeah I think they're they're probably out there have it yeah he really wanted to get

spk_0 away from her though like there was a there was a real that's pretty like it's bad I asked to go be

spk_0 with my family now and please leave but so like you you have that dynamic with Mira there's another

spk_0 through line that is making me a little bit the way the game tries to or characters in the game

spk_0 trying to box you into moral quandaries that I don't think are legit like there's a moment where

spk_0 mandalore was like Narcinaw mandalore is like hey what do you think of the Republic let me tell

spk_0 me what you actually what you actually think do you think it was good the Republic one and by the

spk_0 way you're in an option to qualify it like basically all your responses to him were like yeah it was

spk_0 obviously and he's like but then look at everything that happened like man the Mandalorians were

spk_0 on their way to creating an empire that could have resisted the Sith but the Republic one and

spk_0 like look how fucked up things got maybe you should think about that absolutely they're like bad

spk_0 fuck off like I'm sorry you don't get you do not get to like launch a genocidal like enslavement

spk_0 campaign mostly for the epic wins that you're out there to post and then turn around and be like

spk_0 we're not so different you and I don't you think don't you think they're a public the Mandalorians it's

spk_0 all kind of the same and actually maybe it would have been better if we and it's like literally

spk_0 people are describing mandal Mandalorians as like glassing planets as much as the Sith were basically

spk_0 on their on the way to have an ideology behind it besides it's fun to do it yeah and we're doing it

spk_0 so that people send their bad asses out to come fight us so that we can feel big

spk_0 big and strong and I'm like yeah more fuck off dude then I know your candor is under there

spk_0 yeah each shit he believed all that shit back then too I know yeah they're just bringing people

spk_0 under the tents it's good for the galaxy thinking if their sleeves guns it's fine they were just

spk_0 trying to you know build a bigger army so they had I guess actually wait sorry I just realized

spk_0 we've passed Mira we didn't get Hanhar story do you have Hanhar story should we get Hanhar

spk_0 story at this point I do I do is it different from what we know it's it actually is less information

spk_0 so like his perspective I probably volunteering much fire Hanhar either I mean yeah uh his

spk_0 perspective is basically just that um let me uh pull it up here where is my no here it is okay

spk_0 you you have to like max your influence with him to be able to even ask him why did he

spk_0 like why did he kill Mira um sure and his justification is really just that she's dead for you

spk_0 I just remembered right yeah she's dead she does not exist she is dead um like when I first asked him

spk_0 I didn't have enough influence and he he just said like I was stronger she was prey she was weak

spk_0 and then you can do a persuasion check and say well what weakness about her made you want to kill

spk_0 her and that's when he starts to reveal uh you know by other hunters it is said that she spared my life

spk_0 um which is there is no truth in such words she spared my life as an insult to break my spirit

spk_0 she held my life in her hands and she cast it away um and then once you

spk_0 get more influence with him he kind of goes into a little bit more and just says like

spk_0 she showed me mercy in that I could not bear um to feel such from prey she had my life in her hands

spk_0 her weapon pointed at me as I lay wounded in my own traps and she did not kill me and when I saw

spk_0 her eyes I saw she felt mercy and to to him having to like the hand-hard backstory I should say is

spk_0 that hand-hard's tribe was taken over by circa and circa basically enslaved his entire tribe

spk_0 and yes in his yeah we saw it last game we saw what happened on um yeah yeah kashik so his solution

spk_0 to uh how he would free his people from the chains of uh circa slavery is by killing them

spk_0 was his solution oh that doesn't work because now they're dead uh so now they're dead um

spk_0 and it's really hard to talk to him because he's just like he's so like psycho coated like he's just like oh

spk_0 you're like and your response and the way you talk about him is like when you ask Kraya why do we

spk_0 have the psychotic wookie on board like you literally call him psychotic and um when you talk to him you

spk_0 can say like you're mad you're mad you went mad with with uh with anger with hate and that's what drove

spk_0 you to kill your people and he says no no I was freeing them like you have to understand like to

spk_0 to live in the shadow lands is like to to basically to pass on to the other side is is the only true

spk_0 freedom otherwise we live our lives as slaves to to humans or you know uh as slaves in our life debts

spk_0 if that's like if that's what happens so which it's for him right I say which it did for him so to him

spk_0 it meant entering a life debt to Mira was akin to watching was the same

spk_0 like degree of of uh servitude as his people to the circuit corporation um that's wild this is

spk_0 her saving him and him being like this is just like what I had to kill my family to get them free

spk_0 from the slavers you need to kill me now it's it's it's but then you can like the way that you can

spk_0 talk to him about it that's like that gains you influence with him is basically saying like I

spk_0 think you you had a death drive like you wanted her to kill you and the fact you wanted to end

spk_0 your life you get to this guy with like dime store psycho analysis to say yes

spk_0 yes yes yes yes hot it's like I didn't know Freud existed in in the galaxy far Dada Freud is the

spk_0 is Freud's name it's not tough yeah no it's it's rough like I tried I tried really hard to

spk_0 to find like anything here that I could be like okay like like like the at an examination that we

spk_0 just did like there's like this high level version that I like okay I can I can kind of see where

spk_0 you were cooking with that but with Hanhar it's just like uh he's so resigned to being this this

spk_0 this person who went mad with hatred for seeing his people enslaved that he he literally killed

spk_0 them all and then because he couldn't live you have to force him into believing that he couldn't live

spk_0 with that shame or that guilt and that that's why he sought I see to that's why he was so upset when

spk_0 Mira like forced him into a life debt essentially which okay there's like a small piece of that

spk_0 that I can that I can grasp there the idea of a life debt the idea of like being spared

spk_0 meaning having to tie your life and your totally that I'm like okay there's the sea

spk_0 you have something on the whiteboard yeah but it's just it's so wrapped up in like a lot of like

spk_0 him being coded as like he's often referred to as like a savage he's often referred to as like

spk_0 you know his primal strength is what you must learn from him when when his like the the the

spk_0 furthest extent of your relationship with him is you have to krea asks you to break Hanhar

spk_0 bruh yeah like a horse there's yeah yeah great like you to do this yes yes so krea and Hanhar have a

spk_0 you know a back and forth where she's like you we talked about this when Hanhar was first introduced

spk_0 where krea is like you are going to serve the exile until I tell you right on the truth basically

spk_0 um so when you ask krea like why did you invite this guy on board like why did because he's the

spk_0 only one that krea like okay is bringing forward right finally a good crew member yeah finally I like

spk_0 this guy um she says to you to um there is the beast is a lesson in strength learn that lesson

spk_0 then you will understand um and when you ask her like what could it's really fucked up because you

spk_0 you're constantly referring to him as like an animal and it's it's it's it's just bad vibes

spk_0 but krea says you say to hit her I fail to see what that animal could teach me and krea says

spk_0 because he is life at its most primitive and he represents what happens when civilization comes

spk_0 to primates the illusion that we are something more than our instincts it's so rough um so then

spk_0 after you have this conversation with krea you can go back to Hanhar and you basically get him to

spk_0 talk more about the life debt um and he you know whereas before when we've heard of wukis talk

spk_0 about life debts it's often coded in like an honor like this is an honor to serve a life debt

spk_0 he very much sees this as a form of slavery um like the way he describes it is for my people to stop

spk_0 one from dying from traveling to the shadow lands which is like their version of the afterlife

spk_0 makes their life yours they are invisible shackles that one wears upon the rits and in the mind

spk_0 um so you can break him and just you you tell him you are full to let your primitive customs

spk_0 chain your actions and dark sided all right yeah it's definitely dark sided uh and then you know

spk_0 he basically says like how could I give up my culture like how could I give up like you know

spk_0 the culture of my people that will mean that I won't get to like go to the shadow lands when I do die

spk_0 if I if I forego the beliefs of my people and then you can basically you just keep pushing and you

spk_0 say well then you will always be weak you will always be prey um and uh eventually you just say like

spk_0 uh to to do this he says when I die oh my god yeah it's just bad he he says enough human you wish to

spk_0 break me from my people you wish to make it so I am no longer prey you've done it you've shattered

spk_0 the shackles in my mind with your words the last place the place beyond the shadow lands is now

spk_0 denied to me I honor no life debt now and I walk with you and you're tried by choice so in order to

spk_0 get him to abandon the concept of the life debt you bait you bit we break him into your own service

spk_0 minus the concept of the life debt behind you he doesn't get to go to heaven in his mind he's

spk_0 giving up he has committed himself to hell correct so that he can feel stronger and strong though

spk_0 I wouldn't I wouldn't do this and when you do it I mean it's so sad like it's like yeah

spk_0 he says he says to you you've murdered that which made me weak and it killed my spirit

spk_0 um and then he gains plus to strengthen loses minus to intelligence

spk_0 do you need you to love this dude yeah oh my god and then this is dark side teachings

spk_0 yeah yeah and then that's just step one then you have to ask him what is the source of his strength

spk_0 and that's what you need to report back to krea um so when you find out

spk_0 he when you ask him what is the source of your strength he's like oh krea asked you to ask me that

spk_0 huh and uh she said he says the old woman knows the lesson of strength her strength is to fasten

spk_0 shackles from air from the mind she is a dangerous predator because she hunts other predators

spk_0 um it is a dangerous predator that can bend the will of another with a word

spk_0 and then you can ask him well what does pra what prae does krea hunt and he says she hunts truth

spk_0 i think and she seeks it in you and truth is dangerous prey difficult to seek and difficult to

spk_0 face and with greater desperation she hunts that which runs against truth um and when you ask okay

spk_0 so you're like okay so what the fuck is the lesson of strength he says to be brave enough to hunt

spk_0 truth yes for the hunting ground for such things within you but that is not all that is only

spk_0 and then you can go report it back to krea and krea is like so did you learn the lesson of strength

spk_0 and you can be like yeah uh and if you have the wisdom or awareness you can say he's incredibly

spk_0 strong yet he is powerless and then she's like why and you can be like he raw strength is nothing

spk_0 compared to the power of one's will force the force is strong will is strong sure exactly so

spk_0 then you basically get an option where where she's like well do you want to learn this lesson of

spk_0 his raw strength or do you want to reject it you can be like yeah i want to get strong and you

spk_0 get plus two strength or you can say uh no i reject the lesson of strength and she's like oh

spk_0 even even smarter this is a very strange but unique choice oh when you get what do you get

spk_0 plus two to wisdom baby i am so wise i'm so wise so yeah i mean that's basically i think it

spk_0 with Han har i think i've done everything i can with him there's a lot of like dark side specific

spk_0 uh conversation stuff too that it's just there's there's beyond that one seat of

spk_0 of kind of characterizing a life debt as like a form of of slavery or servitude it goes

spk_0 absolutely nowhere so pretty disappointing i would say um and definitely disappointing for him to

spk_0 the way that everyone talks about him is is very degrading um yeah do are do other characters in the

spk_0 ship talk about him or other people being like who's that smelly wookie brought in it's like that vibe

spk_0 yeah that vibe yeah it's like that vibe i think somebody else i think when he you can ask maybe

spk_0 at and at some point um or he'll have like something when he first shows up yeah um so

spk_0 yeah that's it other than that i had like a couple interesting cutscenes in my um on the ship one

spk_0 was with bowser and krea oh i've not had this one but i know the one you're talking about i'll

spk_0 save it save that for uh atten and krea because right after atten's like i've got right with the force

spk_0 uh i'm free krea and she's like please it's real mean i don't know if this is her doing damage control

spk_0 i'm losing leverage with him or like trying to do case back in the tube uh it's basically just

spk_0 you're still under my thumb effectively yeah yeah yeah he's like i told no more of your threats no more

spk_0 of your requests you and me were done and she says did you ever think i truly held you you're more

spk_0 of a fool than i thought what truly held you was you and let me show you why i once held the galaxy

spk_0 by the throat as you once held her by the throat and let her die slowly right and your emotion at

spk_0 that point is what you fear i will it power like you cannot imagine everything i saw was a watch

spk_0 with possibilities spreading outwards touching everything else i saw all of that all of the forces

spk_0 and only one is a ripped from me that i truly see it and i know what lies buried within you

spk_0 that you hide with your desperate thoughts your guilt your lusts or perhaps you will continue

spk_0 to listen to my counsel and i should like ignore your pathetic attempts at freedom krea really

spk_0 invented gaslighting like really like like it's so wild it's so crazy to be like oh you thought i

spk_0 was manipulating you you were manipulating you actually from the beginning like you you're

spk_0 crazy for thinking i was doing it like you're you're stupid yeah um to the most to the most

spk_0 manipulative woman i've ever seen in a video game oh yeah oh yeah maybe no person i've ever

spk_0 seen in a video game but it's up there you know there's some other there's some guys who are

spk_0 fucked up so um everything else is disciples i'm gonna say i'll come back on the go to one there's

spk_0 a really fun go to one everyone should do the thing where they talk to go to you can get almost

spk_0 all of it through just talking to him i think um you might have to get a little bit of influence but

spk_0 you'll get that by finishing dantween and being like i finished oh you could also at this point go

spk_0 back to gita uh darsha and chubby like thanks and there's it there's nothing else there but yeah

spk_0 oh no i did get i was just gonna say on the on the way back to narsha d'A has anyone else gotten

spk_0 some handmade in atre like oh yes oh the cut back to the handmaiden yeah yeah yeah the cut back

spk_0 to the handmaiden's at the entrance we're like oh no the handmaid's hazards of delegating yes

spk_0 we get a little cut scene well oh wait time out because actually there's a conversation that's i

spk_0 think that that's triggered because of a craic conversation oh do you know the craic conversation

spk_0 i'm talking about maybe not i have y'all had the conversation with craic maybe i'm wrong then

spk_0 there's a conversation with craer where you can be like hey why doesn't this why didn't zest kiel

spk_0 know that you were with me or why didn't atris noted that you were with me why is it that no one

spk_0 seems to pick up that you're here and she's like yeah i can do that either there are techniques in

spk_0 the force to prevent people from seeing me or knowing that i'm with you effectively um and uh

spk_0 that has hidden me in key moments that would be inconvenient for us basically uh wait i haven't

spk_0 gotten that and i'm like i didn't get that i didn't get that i just got tied to that i got atris

spk_0 finding out from the two handmaidens uh yeah there was like this old lady who was with the exile

spk_0 and you like wait what yeah there's all lady and they're like you were so busy and like she's a sleigh

spk_0 okay well then that's what this is i've realized now that this is actually tied to the big

spk_0 Revan conversation with craer which i'm guessing people still haven't had i do have that okay well

spk_0 it's at the end of that Natalie at the end of that you can be like wait a second the story you

spk_0 just told makes me think that the Jedi masters and atris should have known you why didn't of that yes

spk_0 yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes why didn't none of them mention them to me

spk_0 was we're traveling together and she says there are techniques in the force where one can cloud the

spk_0 memory of others make their presence so small as to be unnoticed and on the worlds where we've

spk_0 encountered the Jedi there's much life and death where sensing such things is difficult as i said

spk_0 it's of no consequence to me or them and you can say did you used that technique on me and she says

spk_0 No, but if I did, you would never know.

spk_0 So my words only carry as much work as you believe them to.

spk_0 But perhaps you will understand this.

spk_0 That perhaps it's important to me that you see me

spk_0 and my actions uncloaked.

spk_0 It's important that your judgments, whether good or bad,

spk_0 stem from seeing me as I truly am.

spk_0 And you can say, I accept that.

spk_0 And I trust you.

spk_0 And she says, I did not ask you to trust me,

spk_0 only that you listen to what I have to tell you.

spk_0 But thank you.

spk_0 Or you can say, I still think that you're lying to me

spk_0 and that you haven't told me everything.

spk_0 And she, of course, says, then you're learning quickly.

spk_0 This trust is an effective shield and should be carried always.

spk_0 And I thought that scene is what triggered the atro scenes

spk_0 where the handmaidens all go.

spk_0 Yeah, when the ex-I elect with the old woman,

spk_0 she seemed like a bitch.

spk_0 She said, all seemed kind of bad to me.

spk_0 And actresses like, what old woman?

spk_0 What are you talking about?

spk_0 There was an old woman.

spk_0 I got to go back to my red hollum from Fever.

spk_0 I need to go meditate on this.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 You're just suddenly getting attention, headache.

spk_0 It's so funny.

spk_0 I just got to go.

spk_0 Top comment, by the way, on the most recent,

spk_0 let's play from Golas says,

spk_0 actress going to her chambers to Doom Scroll

spk_0 with the red cubes when she deals things

spk_0 or collapsing around her.

spk_0 She just like me for real, for real.

spk_0 It's pretty embarrassing that like she had her nemesis

spk_0 in Yacht Cup and the headmaidens were like,

spk_0 we don't need to bother atress about this.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 She's so sleepy today.

spk_0 I need y'all to get your, your,

spk_0 uh, Kraya's stuff max so that we can talk

spk_0 about her relationship.

spk_0 I can't.

spk_0 I know.

spk_0 But you gotta work on it.

spk_0 I'll give it another week or two, but we have to.

spk_0 I, I, I'm just kind of to get a guide and be like,

spk_0 what's this?

spk_0 Hey, what do you think Kray would like me to?

spk_0 Yeah, that's the thing this game doesn't have, right?

spk_0 It's like a lot of these games eventually would give like,

spk_0 oh, you can go buy a stuffed dog and give it to Leleana

spk_0 to raise her influence.

spk_0 Not in this game, buddy.

spk_0 You gotta bring him out and do something.

spk_0 Oh, man.

spk_0 Can I, this game were made in the era though,

spk_0 where like giving gifts to party members

spk_0 could like build the affinity.

spk_0 Is it?

spk_0 I'm sorry.

spk_0 Because like, what would you give?

spk_0

spk_0 What would you give?

spk_0 Affinities would be all over the map.

spk_0 Oh, yeah, be really unpredictable.

spk_0 I found you a Scythraulic.

spk_0 Oh, thanks.

spk_0 Oh, you believe that objects hold power?

spk_0 I thought you'd been listening.

spk_0 But then you get a nice bottle of whiskey

spk_0 and she's like, you know, there's always room

spk_0 for such a diversion in a journey like ours.

spk_0 Like, oh, okay, yeah, sure, great.

spk_0 I should warn you, exile.

spk_0 I have been known because sloppy.

spk_0 Oh, God.

spk_0 Scenic dantooine, the majestic plains,

spk_0 the beautiful sunsets, the kinwraff,

spk_0 ooh, the, the local merchants

spk_0 with their charming wares and delightful gab

spk_0 for visitors come play a game of chance

spk_0 with some of the local, some of the colorful local characters.

spk_0 Go see the famous, which family was it?

spk_0 I think this is the Metale families.

spk_0 I think it's the Northern family, the Metale and the...

spk_0 Anyway, check out one of two identical villas

spk_0 we had on this planet.

spk_0 But this one is the one we're caring about now.

spk_0 It's now our town.

spk_0 You might think, but that's not a town, that's a house.

spk_0 Well, here in Cotor II, it can be both.

spk_0 We didn't have the time.

spk_0 Look, this game had to get done the year.

spk_0 We didn't have time to make the town.

spk_0 What we had was a house from the previous game.

spk_0 So we just put the town in it.

spk_0 And you can imagine all those things

spk_0 that could be closets.

spk_0 What if there was just more village happening in there?

spk_0 That could be an armistice ship right over there.

spk_0 And this is like four armistice on the spider.

spk_0 They really are.

spk_0 Oh.

spk_0 There's a deal in that.

spk_0 You could go over this content.

spk_0 We could go over the story with a fine tooth comb.

spk_0 There are, of course, side quests.

spk_0 I'm curious to hear how some stuff went for you all.

spk_0 So I don't want to say we should skip all of it.

spk_0 But the big picture stuff is like nothing here.

spk_0 It's pretty bad.

spk_0 It's so boring.

spk_0 I'm so glad we didn't come here first.

spk_0 I guess maybe it would have been interesting

spk_0 to come here first when people were like,

spk_0 you're not a Jedi, are you?

spk_0 Instead of now when they're like,

spk_0 you have a lightsaber, you're a Jedi.

spk_0 I'm running over here.

spk_0 I'm doing fear.

spk_0 Also, I fucked up and I made the droid smart.

spk_0 It's droid at the landing pad that's like malfunctioning.

spk_0 And I repaired it.

spk_0 And it was like, thank you for fixing me.

spk_0 Master X-I-L.

spk_0 And it was like, first.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 I do think like the game,

spk_0 it does kind of feel like the game assumes

spk_0 that you do Dan Tuin first in a weird way.

spk_0 Because there are just like a couple conversation choices

spk_0 that make it feel like,

spk_0 well, one, I think the disciple saying,

spk_0 we've been traveling together all this time

spk_0 right after he joins you.

spk_0 Like I think there's just something that assumes

spk_0 you've spent a lot of time.

spk_0 And he also, he gives you so much backstory.

spk_0 Like he's like the fucking morgue guy.

spk_0 I guess.

spk_0 This is my, we'll get to,

spk_0 let's, I'm gonna not say the thing I wanna say about him yet.

spk_0 He does do that.

spk_0 You're right.

spk_0 Oxfuin later, I think it's bad that he does that.

spk_0 But you're right.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 But yeah, I think it's just like it's a very,

spk_0 you know.

spk_0 For Luke is the guy who says all the stuff

spk_0 you expect the Jedi who cast you out to say.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 So if you wanted, you know,

spk_0 our first full Jedi conversation was S.K.L.

spk_0 being like, bro, you might have been right about all of this.

spk_0 And if you instead had started with Rook,

spk_0 the Druk was like, you know,

spk_0 giving you the vision of the shit head Jedi's

spk_0 that you got in the recording.

spk_0 Maybe that actually justifies the turn

spk_0 to the dark side a little bit more.

spk_0 Cause it's like, you know,

spk_0 I have fucked these guys actually.

spk_0 I don't wanna be a Jedi.

spk_0 I don't wanna deal with the shit with Rook and these guys.

spk_0 Like, so maybe there's value there.

spk_0 But.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 It also just feels like given how little there is to do here.

spk_0 Like even just in mobs,

spk_0 like there are very few groups of enemies roaming around this area.

spk_0 It kind of feels like a beginner zone.

spk_0 It's funny that the mercenaries really don't,

spk_0 there are never any like random mercenary groups to fight

spk_0 who are like roaming around even.

spk_0 It's just different animals.

spk_0 And then you like sometimes fight them mercenaries

spk_0 and story battles and stuff, but they're not like.

spk_0 Right. Right.

spk_0 I know.

spk_0 The big thing is it comes at the end, I guess.

spk_0 There's things that don't pay off here,

spk_0 which is one of the frustrating things about this.

spk_0 Like first, people don't dance to me.

spk_0 Don't like the Jedi.

spk_0 And this seems like it's gonna be really to the point

spk_0 of something we've heard a lot in this game,

spk_0 which is as far as the rest of the galaxy is concerned,

spk_0 Jedi, Sith, it was, and I think the exile makes this point.

spk_0 They hear Jedi still the war and they're like,

spk_0 it was Jedi fighting Jedi.

spk_0 But the point that like these are Sith apostates

spk_0 is kind of lost on everyone else and arguably justifiably so.

spk_0 But it's held out like once people in Dantween

spk_0 know you're a Jedi, this is gonna cause problems.

spk_0 Oh, by the way, I'm gonna piss the Kray off.

spk_0 I got out of this Jedi and she was like real nice.

spk_0 And I lost influence with Kraya.

spk_0 And I was like literally I just landed on this God damn plan.

spk_0 Like should I just like mind control that dude to,

spk_0 I guess maybe I should have, but sometimes she's like,

spk_0 don't use mind control.

spk_0 What do you want from me Kraya?

spk_0 I'm losing my mind.

spk_0 She wants you not to walk around with your lightsaber out

spk_0 when you're a hunted hunter.

spk_0 Well, I'm a male Jedi.

spk_0 And so it's really important to me as we discussed

spk_0 at the first story beat while it was asleep.

spk_0 And we all got in our little meditation poses

spk_0 and then fell asleep.

spk_0 And then she, you know, she was explaining to like,

spk_0 Jedi and their lightsabers and now I have a double lightsaber.

spk_0 So what?

spk_0 You think I'm not gonna be walking around with that thing out?

spk_0 Of course I am.

spk_0 Plus I put bonds on it.

spk_0 It's got like, it's got like a mitters and shit.

spk_0 It's a good lightsaber anyway.

spk_0 They're like, they know your Jedi now.

spk_0 That's gonna cause problems.

spk_0 It does not cause problems.

spk_0 It feels like there was an idea of like,

spk_0 there'd be a version of this where you're trying to keep it

spk_0 on the DL or that there's gonna be a lot of things

spk_0 about who knows what about your Jedi status.

spk_0 This is gonna be important on Dan Twain.

spk_0 Doesn't really come up.

spk_0 You get fearful glances from like the NPCs,

spk_0 but nothing ever happens.

spk_0 Character's like, yeah, people don't like Jedi.

spk_0 And then when you do good deeds for the town,

spk_0 they like Jedi again, problem solved.

spk_0 So like, that's the first thing that like,

spk_0 doesn't really pay off.

spk_0 The other thing is, one of the characters

spk_0 that sort of catches your eye,

spk_0 Garevik.

spk_0 Garevik with a wild voice.

spk_0 Little oily.

spk_0 Strangely courtly, very full of himself.

spk_0 Sinister is sort of caught up.

spk_0 There's an entire like, deadwood ass thing

spk_0 that's happening in this where like the salvagers

spk_0 are all over the planet, like excavating claims

spk_0 and there was a rich vein of salvage found

spk_0 by this team that was like, they were all killed mysteriously,

spk_0 but Garevik seems to have been the heart of it.

spk_0 And then Garevik just gets, God,

spk_0 he just shows up in the Jedi temple, the enclave.

spk_0 And he's like, hey, I'm here to kill you.

spk_0 Except.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 And then he's just gone.

spk_0 But it feels like this is supposed to be somebody.

spk_0 It feels like there's an entire like,

spk_0 this is your sinister villain of Dan Tween.

spk_0 And they're like, yeah, so then he just shows up

spk_0 with a bunch of identical bounty hunters

spk_0 and you kill them all.

spk_0 He's like an even worse version of the hot lady

spk_0 from Tilos or the twin sons on Narasadah.

spk_0 He is the like sort of interesting

spk_0 on his face aesthetically character.

spk_0 In this case, it's largely voice acting.

spk_0 And then you go, and then it's like,

spk_0 okay, what's that gonna cash out to?

spk_0 And the answer is he's gonna get shot to death

spk_0 in the hallway.

spk_0 And that's it.

spk_0 Like it's not anything.

spk_0 It was so sad going through the whole enclave

spk_0 and fighting individual bugs and like sort of struggling

spk_0 with it because sometimes they would team you

spk_0 and then coming up to a pack of bounty hunters

spk_0 so closely standing together that it was like

spk_0 two four-sliding things that brought them down.

spk_0 Like it was like a second long fight.

spk_0 It was so pathetic.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 And especially for a guy who has so much aura

spk_0 when you first meet him, he's like,

spk_0 there's like, you have like two attempts,

spk_0 maybe like fail of a check with him.

spk_0 And he's like, I don't like it to ruptured.

spk_0 Get out of here and I'm like, okay, man.

spk_0 I'm like, I'm just passing through.

spk_0 Okay, I guess you're just like a cooler character

spk_0 than I am.

spk_0 And the sheriff of the town is like,

spk_0 Garevik had something to do with it.

spk_0 They're in witnesses that he's telling the truth

spk_0 about a story but funny thing.

spk_0 He said he shot a man over Gampezak

spk_0 but Garevik doesn't play Pazak.

spk_0 Interesting.

spk_0 He got a little murder mystery in that old west town.

spk_0 Not gonna come up.

spk_0 We're just gonna move on from it.

spk_0 It doesn't, it doesn't matter.

spk_0 So the entire chapter kind of feels like

spk_0 the beginning of ideas that just don't,

spk_0 whatever some plot is supposed to be there.

spk_0 Well, and there's stuff that some of it does have a resolution

spk_0 that is really hard to get.

spk_0 The Jedi thing apparently there is a version

spk_0 of something that can resolve that I would,

spk_0 I'm wondering if any of us,

spk_0 we're gonna come back to Dan Twain later in the game.

spk_0 And there's a follow up about one thing,

spk_0 which is the thing you talked about first,

spk_0 the like the Jedi hating.

spk_0 There's a particular character who can go from

spk_0 who hates Jedi to likes Jedi.

spk_0 I don't know that we,

spk_0 any of us have done the step,

spk_0 the set of dialogue options necessary

spk_0 to get us onto that path, but it exists.

spk_0 But that still doesn't sound like a great conclusion

spk_0 and the fact that it's so particular

spk_0 means that it's unlikely for us to have seen it.

spk_0 For me, the other version of that was

spk_0 there's the young militiamen who you meet,

spk_0 who is like, I think that the head guy here

spk_0 is up to no good.

spk_0 I want you to research or like to investigate him.

spk_0 And I was like, yeah, bet, like I'll,

spk_0 I'll be talking to people all the time anyway.

spk_0 So if something is fishy, I'll find out about it.

spk_0 And by the end, by the time,

spk_0 like I came back in after meeting the head mercenary guy,

spk_0 this guy was like, wow,

spk_0 it sure is a good thing you didn't,

spk_0 you know, throw that guy into the bus

spk_0 because the head of the militias actually a good guy.

spk_0 And I was like, okay, if you say so.

spk_0 Like I feel like I fully missed this quest.

spk_0 I told the people, apparently he's fine.

spk_0 I found out that he was working with a mercenary

spk_0 on the inside.

spk_0 He had, he had, he had a relationship with a mercenary

spk_0 and they had like their own plan.

spk_0 And I wasn't privy to what the plan was,

spk_0 but he told me, I basically walked up to him

spk_0 and I was like, yo, your underling is worried about you.

spk_0 So just wondering if like there's anything I should know about.

spk_0 And he was like, I don't really give a shit about that.

spk_0 But if you want some work around here,

spk_0 like here's a couple of things you can do.

spk_0 And why don't you go talk to them to one of the mercenaries

spk_0 and give them a message for me and tell them it's time.

spk_0 So when you go to the mercenary camp for the first time,

spk_0 you can have like a side conversation with one of the mercenaries

spk_0 and be like, hey,

spk_0 our mutual homie says it's time.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 Is the head of the militia,

spk_0 Geron, who's voiced by Charles Dennis.

spk_0 So I'm shouting out because I think this guy's voice kicks ass.

spk_0

spk_0 I'm like, what is this guy doing here in the back of a closet?

spk_0 He has, he's so cool.

spk_0 He's so cool.

spk_0 I want him to be a party member.

spk_0 I know.

spk_0 Like he's so like,

spk_0 I want him to be a party member

spk_0 and did you all talk to the mercenary

spk_0 who's like four sensitive in the caves?

spk_0 Who has the gland?

spk_0 Oh, yeah.

spk_0 Give me the gland.

spk_0 I took the gland from him and held it

spk_0 and I was like, cool.

spk_0 And I just gave it back to him when he was like, thanks.

spk_0 I'm left to really find him.

spk_0 He's still there.

spk_0 He doesn't come to the fight.

spk_0 He lives.

spk_0 He doesn't die.

spk_0 That's the homie.

spk_0 He's going to live forever as far as I'm concerned.

spk_0 He dies.

spk_0 He was the decision that made my character's face change.

spk_0 She looks really tired and pale now.

spk_0 Are you going dark side?

spk_0 Dark side.

spk_0 I see.

spk_0

spk_0 Wow.

spk_0 Okay.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 So, so yeah.

spk_0 It like, but you delivered that message to the mercenary.

spk_0 I delivered the message to the mercenary

spk_0 which ends up paying off in the final battle

spk_0 because he like turns on the mercenaries essentially.

spk_0 But when you've sided with the way you're evil,

spk_0 why are you not siding with the mercenaries?

spk_0 I did inside with the mercenaries.

spk_0 I sided with I because, okay.

spk_0 She's on the own side.

spk_0 I was just like, because there was no,

spk_0 there was nothing about the mercenaries

spk_0 that I felt like they had any claim here

spk_0 or that anything about the mercenaries being here

spk_0 would make your role playing.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 I'm role playing a little bit.

spk_0 I was like, okay.

spk_0 I fuck with this guy who's kind of doing covert listening devices

spk_0 and has a man on the inside.

spk_0 I kind of like his vibe.

spk_0 But then I reported him into the prime minister here.

spk_0 I don't know what she is.

spk_0 The mayor.

spk_0 Another smart dark side.

spk_0 I'm being a dark.

spk_0 You know?

spk_0 And then she was like, oh, that's bad.

spk_0 I'm going to definitely put him on probation.

spk_0 I was like, okay, like sounds good.

spk_0 And then by when the battle comes up,

spk_0 because eventually this all results

spk_0 in the mercenaries versus the town,

spk_0 AK, the house.

spk_0 And when that right before that happens,

spk_0 she's like, I just reinstated the,

spk_0 oh, I reinstated him.

spk_0 He's back.

spk_0 Jaron's back.

spk_0 He, we need this guy for this job.

spk_0 And the other thing is that the whole time

spk_0 when I was investigating,

spk_0 and I got material, like I got dirt on Jaron,

spk_0 I went to his underling and I was like,

spk_0 hey, I know some shit.

spk_0 And he was like, oh, oh, don't tell me anything.

spk_0 Just go ahead and do what you need to do.

spk_0 So I was like,

spk_0 do you want the job or not?

spk_0 Like you asked me to go do this,

spk_0 this investigating for you on reporting back.

spk_0 And he was like, he was like, just go talk to the mayor.

spk_0 Go talk to the mayor.

spk_0 I can't handle it.

spk_0 I was like, bro, what, what, what, what,

spk_0 what did you get me involved with this shit for?

spk_0 So that's why I was like, fuck him.

spk_0 Get the, get the other guy back in.

spk_0 And you know, whatever.

spk_0 This, I was like, this place is a mess.

spk_0 Who, I don't even, I don't want anything to do with it.

spk_0 I'll help you kill these mercenaries.

spk_0 And then you're on your own.

spk_0 I don't give a shit about any of you guys.

spk_0 Oh, no, there's one thing I love about this planet.

spk_0 And it's all of the lightsaber crystals.

spk_0 You get all here.

spk_0 Oh my gosh.

spk_0 All the loot that you get all here.

spk_0 It's, there's multiple quests or at the end,

spk_0 the guy at someone is like, yeah, there's just this Jedi shit.

spk_0 And you're like, oh, yes, please.

spk_0 I will take that off your hand.

spk_0 I will give you a thousand credits.

spk_0 I will give you a corpse, whatever you need for me

spk_0 to get the Jedi stuff.

spk_0 I will be taking that.

spk_0 Also while there's on this planet,

spk_0 I had four straight crashes in the middle of the battle.

spk_0 I had to redo that battle three or four times.

spk_0 No, it's one.

spk_0 And I found out what it was.

spk_0 And it's, with the first time,

spk_0 it's tied to a bugged lightsaber I have.

spk_0 One of Aton's lightsabers was duplicating itself.

spk_0 And if I looked at the information on the lightsaber

spk_0 while I was inside a certain place, the game would crash.

spk_0 And sometimes it's just, I was also just fucked

spk_0 because there was like crashing a little conversation.

spk_0 It's all in the, the lets play.

spk_0 But at the end of the day,

spk_0 I do not have to really start lightsabers.

spk_0 I have a bonus lightsaber with all the great crystals in it.

spk_0 So it's fine.

spk_0 It's fine.

spk_0 But it was, but the loot you get on this planet,

spk_0 it's unbelievable.

spk_0 I was buying underweaves,

spk_0 how he overweaves,

spk_0 flies, robes.

spk_0 There's Jedi armor.

spk_0 Oh, I found light ja, Zessan Shah.

spk_0 The warrior armor?

spk_0 Like, yo, it's light armor, high decks bonus.

spk_0 But you can use armor class powers.

spk_0 And then you can pull our force powers.

spk_0 It's over.

spk_0 It's done.

spk_0 It's over for these guys.

spk_0 Also, I have an important thing.

spk_0 You go in that crystal cave where the mercenaries are

spk_0 and Rukis, you find the crystals.

spk_0 There's all the crystals.

spk_0 You get the crystal that's the your name crystal, right?

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 Super important.

spk_0 Talk to Krea.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 You can be like, what's up with that crystal?

spk_0 Show me like, oh, weird.

spk_0 If you've leveled up enough, or if maybe it's if you're,

spk_0 if you're, if you're, if you're a light side,

spk_0 dark side has changed, I guess I'm not 100% sure.

spk_0 She will be like, oh, it seems like it got desynched to you.

spk_0 Let me resync it for you.

spk_0 Take it out of the lightsaber.

spk_0 You go talk to her.

spk_0 Sorry, she will, the genius bar, like what is happening?

spk_0 She will level up the crystal for you more.

spk_0 From when you first get it.

spk_0 Yes.

spk_0 Yeah, you can keep updating it as you go.

spk_0 It's really strong.

spk_0 This is besides her like using Force Blue Tooth

spk_0 when you walk into the cave and be like, get to that point.

spk_0 That's exactly yes, that's true.

spk_0 It's a tune to you.

spk_0 Yes, 100%.

spk_0 Apparently there are 10 possible upgrades to it.

spk_0 It's level based, yes.

spk_0 That's crazy, because I think it's already giving me like

spk_0 plus two to like four different skills.

spk_0 It's so strong.

spk_0 Yeah, okay.

spk_0 So yeah, there's a lot of them.

spk_0 Can we talk more just how fucking busted this game is now

spk_0 at this point with like the gear, the gearing.

spk_0 So there's now just like, hey, this shirt,

spk_0 this shirt makes you smart in the handsom.

spk_0 Dude.

spk_0 This belt, that's a lifting belt,

spk_0 but also it's for dancing.

spk_0 Oh, and this like this headband,

spk_0 it makes you like thick as hell, bro.

spk_0 Like you're just like nobody can bring you down.

spk_0 And so like I am now just able to respect

spk_0 characters completely based on kit.

spk_0 And that's before I get to the fucking lightsaber crystals,

spk_0 which also for the low low price of like, yeah,

spk_0 so you can't deflect some blasters.

spk_0 We're gonna make you worse at deflecting shit.

spk_0 We're making you better at everything else.

spk_0 And nobody's gonna be able to fire a blaster at you

spk_0 because you're gonna kill them immediately.

spk_0 Yep.

spk_0 The my name Crystal gives me an attack plus two,

spk_0 a plus four decks, a plus three strength,

spk_0 and a plus five wisdom,

spk_0 which turns my character who is not a caster into a caster,

spk_0 because that five wisdom gets me up.

spk_0 I have the same wisdom as Kraya.

spk_0 Oh, so I'm, I have kind of a crazy build right now

spk_0 because I have double stunned things on my lightsabers.

spk_0 And then I have Force Wave,

spk_0 which seemingly is an AOE where your character

spk_0 just snaps in the air and then everybody in the area

spk_0 is like, what the fuck just happened?

spk_0 So like I just walk up to like stasis enemies

spk_0 and just just hit them with hammers basically.

spk_0 Like it's going really well.

spk_0 Uh, I, I forget what I put all on Mandalore.

spk_0 I think he just got one of those ridiculous like sets of gloves

spk_0 and like one of the, the, the, the, the, the neural,

spk_0 like band of type things, but either way,

spk_0 he is no longer able to be hit.

spk_0 Like, this appears to be true.

spk_0 Like in the entire, he was with me in the final

spk_0 like waves of enemies pouring in.

spk_0 No, he touched him.

spk_0 No, or at least nothing's getting through

spk_0 because I actually should probably look at the, the, the,

spk_0 the, the role log to see what's happening

spk_0 because every, like all my characters now

spk_0 are pretty resistant to taking damage.

spk_0 Uh, actually my dude is still the softest like I have to,

spk_0 I have to duck in and like do a quick med pack from time to time.

spk_0 Mm hmm.

spk_0 But beyond that, I am not sure.

spk_0 It is possible that the entire party got wiped

spk_0 except for Mandalore.

spk_0 He would have just slowly, he's not doing his own damage.

spk_0 But he is just not getting hit.

spk_0 It is, and also he's just got a ridiculous number of hit points.

spk_0 So even if they do start landing blows,

spk_0 like, it, it, he'll be brought down on a geological timescale.

spk_0 He's reaching to, right?

spk_0 He's a choice.

spk_0 You can put the, he has different things that you could set.

spk_0 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

spk_0 Oh, by the way, all my, all my, uh,

spk_0 Evan Hawke homies have region now.

spk_0 Basically, like everyone's got the underneath.

spk_0 It's just like the bio restorative.

spk_0 It's like my guy's good at healing.

spk_0 So we're all getting the, we're all getting that like underarmor

spk_0 that just makes you feel absolutely amazing.

spk_0 Uh, so that's what we're, that's what we're doing.

spk_0 Um, so yeah, it's,

spk_0 I kind of wish this were a more fun combat game in some ways, because there's like,

spk_0 the game is not a point where it's like, go ahead, just like break the entire balance

spk_0 of this game.

spk_0 Like, why shouldn't your characters have all their attributes start in the 20s?

spk_0 And then from there, you can decide how you're going to spec things out.

spk_0 But it's still not that fun.

spk_0 As far as the combat, like, it's, it's, it's a lot of like,

spk_0 I'm just going to stun a lot of people in Newcom.

spk_0 I mean, if I can't stun locked, I put on the, the, the, the, the, the smart gloves.

spk_0 More wisdom, more charisma, and then they, then they get stunned. Yeah.

spk_0 It's tough.

spk_0 It's, um, you know, the, if they are not going to make the seven samurai fight,

spk_0 good, don't make the seven samurai fight.

spk_0 Uh, it does not matter how many, I've, I've always had so much time trying to get the

spk_0 mind field thing right. Um, I don't know if you'll notice this, but when you're

spk_0 laying out, so at the end of this, you go back and you talk to the guys and you're,

spk_0 oh, the mercenaries are going to come and you can repair some turrets and you can fix the droids

spk_0 and you can lay out some mines in the mind fields.

spk_0 And in one of the mind fields, when you lay out enough mines, it goes, oh, yeah,

spk_0 that's enough mines for this minefield.

spk_0 And the other minefield, it would not tell me that I put out like 20 mines in the other

spk_0 mind field. And it never said in the middle in the middle.

spk_0 Natalie, if I show you what it looks like, you're going to be a guy.

spk_0 You try turning it off and on.

spk_0 I like literally should have tried turning it off and on.

spk_0 That is what I should have done. Uh, and then you start to fight and they all load in

spk_0 past the minefield for where I was fighting.

spk_0 My question was where did y'all choose to fight?

spk_0 I was in the frontline, the back. Okay.

spk_0 I chose, I put the, I did so you get to pick here for the listener.

spk_0 Um, when the, when the mercenaries are going to come fight, you have to decide, you've three

spk_0 ranks of quality of mercenary or not mercenary of militiaman.

spk_0 And then you've three qualities, uh, three places to put them.

spk_0 There's the front lines. Uh, there's the inside.

spk_0 There's like the rear entry and then there's like inside with the mayor that you're trying to

spk_0 protect. And the quality of people they're, they're described as like the best veterans,

spk_0 they have the guts, they have the skill.

spk_0 I group that doesn't have a lot of experience, but they have a lot of passion.

spk_0 They care about what we're doing here.

spk_0 And then some newer cruts who are green and weak.

spk_0 And so I put those in the back, which has two entrances with me.

spk_0 And then I put the best people up front with, uh,

spk_0 Jaron and then I put the middle group inside the passionate ones inside with the mayor.

spk_0 I don't think it matters. I don't think it matters.

spk_0 I, well, because by, at one point, does it just tell you we've stuck it to anybody?

spk_0 Everybody. Okay.

spk_0 There was no one left alive in there.

spk_0 We suffered too many losses.

spk_0 We had to talk to me.

spk_0 I was like, what are you talking about?

spk_0 There's a, I was waiting for people to spawn in.

spk_0 I was killing.

spk_0 I did that fight four times.

spk_0 By the last time no one was alive.

spk_0 There was no chance we were being overrun.

spk_0 I knew how to win that fight.

spk_0 Let me tell you.

spk_0 God.

spk_0 I did feel awesome when I hit Stasis field.

spk_0 And literally,

spk_0 the scenario was just like frozen.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 It's like, all right, guys, let's just get chopping.

spk_0 It's wild.

spk_0 It feels like Beodor, like flipping, doing tumbling,

spk_0 actions while he's like unarmed, just like bashing people.

spk_0 It's like, dude, just go ahead.

spk_0 You can, he's just, he's stuck like that.

spk_0 You could just, you could just smack him.

spk_0 He's like, nope.

spk_0 I'm gonna get,

spk_0 I'm gonna climb up on this turnt buckle.

spk_0 And I'm gonna do my thing.

spk_0 It's like doing his elbow drops.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 I'm gonna finish her.

spk_0 I will say this is, I brought Beodor and Mandelor out

spk_0 to this planet and it was perfect.

spk_0 It was just me and the guys in the sun.

spk_0 A lot of men.

spk_0 Just shaking off the darshan stress.

spk_0 It was perfect.

spk_0 Awww.

spk_0 Mandelor put that on the Mandalorian back in his place

spk_0 where his guy was like, you know,

spk_0 not my Mandalore and Candorist is like, all right.

spk_0 Let's, let's see about it.

spk_0 Love is off.

spk_0 I'll stay back.

spk_0 And then I watched that dude.

spk_0 It was again, real bad fight.

spk_0 Mandelor wasn't putting the damage down,

spk_0 but Norm was he taking any.

spk_0 So it was just like watching guys do spin kicks.

spk_0 It was a dance battle.

spk_0 Basically, it was, it was pretty bad.

spk_0 But eventually that guy went down and everyone.

spk_0 Also, I admire this game.

spk_0 You might have thought

spk_0 going into the ruins of the Judd-Jamaic Enclave.

spk_0 That would be a place like full of

spk_0 lore, backstory.

spk_0 Now, the saga of the lost, like what happened

spk_0 when the Sith came to this planet?

spk_0 Nope.

spk_0 Nothing.

spk_0 It's empty.

spk_0 It's just bugs, man.

spk_0 It is bugs.

spk_0 All bugs here.

spk_0 You get an entire computer lab and you can't even like sit down at one of the deaths.

spk_0 They're just like a statue in the quarter,

spk_0 a guy in there who sucks and joins your party.

spk_0 And that's it.

spk_0 To talk to the guy who sucks.

spk_0 God.

spk_0 He's so weird.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 He's so weird.

spk_0 And again, I need you to remember,

spk_0 he's who you get instead of the handmaiden if you're playing as a woman.

spk_0 You don't get the handmaiden.

spk_0 You get him.

spk_0 What's wrong with getting a tall drink of water?

spk_0 You didn't get him, Rob.

spk_0 You can't speak to this because you've been spared.

spk_0 You know what, Natalie?

spk_0 I think if you were a little older,

spk_0 generationally, you'd be unable to resist the middle part.

spk_0 I am going to be 30 years old in one week, my friend.

spk_0 But the problem is only a 40-year-old woman.

spk_0 Knows how like a luring that middle part.

spk_0 This guy?

spk_0 I was.

spk_0 This guy.

spk_0 He looks like he's trying to do like Disney Prince with him a little bit.

spk_0 He has these like piercing blue eyes and he talks at the like,

spk_0 I'm a guy from Star Wars English accent.

spk_0 But he also is like almost too old.

spk_0 He like looks like the guy who runs the Downton Abbey.

spk_0 Oh, wow.

spk_0 I was like, he looks like the old man.

spk_0 He's out there posting.

spk_0 We got to buy extra tickets.

spk_0 He's got to show support for the Downton Abbey movie.

spk_0 You got to buy out with theater.

spk_0 I'll then owe you some money.

spk_0 It's just, and that I, he's such a door.

spk_0 Can you set him up for us?

spk_0 There was a point that I got in this conversation with him where he was like,

spk_0 I don't think you know what happened to Revin.

spk_0 Do you want me to explain it to you?

spk_0 I'm literally killing it.

spk_0 I swear to God.

spk_0 Can you set him up for us, Alec?

spk_0 Can you explain who this guy is and where we meet him and shit?

spk_0 I feel like I can barely even set him up because, okay,

spk_0 so you get sort of like to the deepest part of the Jedi on client,

spk_0 which is a sort of like big square building,

spk_0 filled bugs and like little offshoot.

spk_0 Like, every is that you can go to sort of look around and open chests.

spk_0 Again, lesser dungeon.

spk_0 We have more than one enemy type.

spk_0 No.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 This is the one too.

spk_0 This is, these ruins are filled with pasts.

spk_0 The lay grass.

spk_0 Even the crystal cave had like, here's bug and here's bug,

spk_0 whom does poison.

spk_0 You're right.

spk_0 So like, you know, they couldn't even like have a color change or whatever.

spk_0 Like it was crazy.

spk_0 So you walk into this room and again,

spk_0 this is the sort of the Jedi computer lab.

spk_0 This isn't the council chamber,

spk_0 but you find nothing in weirdly.

spk_0 There's just a room of what circle chairs.

spk_0 We do know we're coming back because this is where we're sending out the Jedi Masters.

spk_0 Okay, for you know, you know, that's how you walk in there.

spk_0 You know, in third person shooters, you walk through a place like,

spk_0 oh, yeah, I'm gonna have a gunfight in here in 45 minutes.

spk_0 In coach or two, it's like, oh, yeah, we're going to be back here in 12 hours.

spk_0 We're going to have an hour long.

spk_0 Yes.

spk_0 So, but like, give me a dead a pet.

spk_0 Yeah, I agree.

spk_0 Give me like somebody's, you know, old bracelet or something like,

spk_0 you know, do something.

spk_0 But anyway, so the way that this feels lived in is that,

spk_0 even though mercenaries and scoutengers have been coming in and out of here for like,

spk_0 what feels like months to years, people are not coming back.

spk_0 It's super dangerous.

spk_0 There's just this like pretty not even dirty, not even her guy called the disciple,

spk_0 who claims that he, like, I guess we went over this.

spk_0 He was in the Jedi when you left with Revin.

spk_0 And it was like, well, you know, they really opened my eyes.

spk_0 I guess I guess you could just leave if you wanted to.

spk_0 But for some reason, despite like, leaving and being still invested in Jedi shit,

spk_0 he's like, just a researcher now.

spk_0 He like thinks that he's like an Indiana Jones type.

spk_0 But he's still wearing the robes like, this guy thought they were going to make his statue for him.

spk_0 I think that's what happened.

spk_0 Like, he's a fucking Stan.

spk_0 He's a Stan.

spk_0 Yeah.

spk_0 He's a Jedi Stan.

spk_0 He's actually not even a Jedi Stan.

spk_0 No, because he's an ex-ass Stan.

spk_0 He's an ex-ass Stan.

spk_0 Yeah, unless you're Robin, which case he goes, which again, he's just like, what's up?

spk_0 Nice to be out talking to you later.

spk_0 You ever think about how important it is that a public survives this?

spk_0 It's like, yeah, right on, man.

spk_0 I mean, I'm here with the Mandalorian.

spk_0 I do not think that.

spk_0 I'm sorry to say.

spk_0 I do think that it's important.

spk_0 But yeah, he's coming at this from this like scholarly perspective.

spk_0 He feels like it's his responsibility to continue to study the Jedi, to have these things live on,

spk_0 which I think makes him an interesting foil to the handmaiden, because it's less of this like,

spk_0 passing of the torch like handmaiden is sort of indoctrinated into feeling like these things

spk_0 are important to her, despite like feeling like she can never touch them because she's not allowed

spk_0 to because the force is sort of the dark place in her mind or the hot space that she can't touch

spk_0 her, whatever. Whereas he is like, well, you know, I didn't want to be trained in the force,

spk_0 but it's like beautiful and it's important.

spk_0 And like, we still have to study it.

spk_0 But he's just a weirdo and he's not nice to talk to and I don't know.

spk_0 So the, there's something you're the thing that I really dislike about him.

spk_0 We'll get into, we'll run a bracket this in a second and talk when his voice actor and

spk_0 shit in a second too, which also just sucks. But the thing I don't like about him as a character

spk_0 is, especially in contrast to the handmaiden, the stuff that's kind of interesting about him.

spk_0 One, hey, did you know that this sector of the galaxy has potentially bigger repercussions

spk_0 for the rest of the Republic? Because if they, if this place fails, they might not have what

spk_0 they need to succeed elsewhere because all this stuff is connected. Yes, we know that.

spk_0 Because that's go to story. Go to just talk to us about that. At length.

spk_0 Hey, did you know that the Jedi teachings may have failed, Revan?

spk_0 Yes, there's a lot of people always put it on Revan and put it on on X or Coon, but they didn't

spk_0 they have masters? Could there be something wrong with their masters or perhaps the Jedi code itself?

spk_0 Yes, because we had that conversation with Zest Kael.

spk_0 Everyone will have that conversation with Zest Kael.

spk_0 In contrast to the handmaiden, who is tied to Atris, one of the most interesting characters in

spk_0 the game so far, and the relationship with Atris and is connected to other stuff in the game that

spk_0 we haven't talked about quite yet, that is completely unique to her character. Instead, we get

spk_0 the disciple telling us that not only do we not know the truth about Revan, who we the player

spk_0 played as, but also that we're wrong about our own exile.

spk_0 Oh, that can be the fuck off. It's him saying he tells you, he's like, I actually literally was like,

spk_0 how do I kill him right now? Because he says to you, hey, after the first time you talk to him,

spk_0 if you walk away from the conversation, he's like, oh, one last thing.

spk_0 When I was setting some of the more recent records of the Jedi histories, I heard tales of a Jedi

spk_0 who was exiled. I know you're that Jedi, but why can't I can't understand why you were exiled?

spk_0 So I wanted to ask you about why you left the Jedi order and why you chose to accept exile.

spk_0 And you can just say, I left because the Jedi suck, dark side responses, I left to protect the

spk_0 innocence on the outer rim, light side responses. And he goes, I see. And because you went to war,

spk_0 they cast you out. And you could be like, yeah, I thought that was the reason why, but I've

spk_0 been talking all these other Jedi. I'm starting to feel like there's something else going on.

spk_0 And he asks you, if you have a record of the trial, and I told him no, I was like, there's no record of

spk_0 this trial. Like don't look for it. There's no record. And he was like, well, that's a shame. I

spk_0 really wanted to watch it. And then I can be like, well, why do you want to watch it so bad? And he's

spk_0 like, well, it's not just a professional interest. I really have a passion for Jedi records and

spk_0 lore. And I rarely have seen them pass judgment on anyone. And I was like, you really see them

spk_0 pass lore. And he said, I'm sorry, he says that the Jedi rarely pass judgment on people.

spk_0 Yes. And I was like, I was like, you like, forget what you're talking about. Like just shut the

spk_0 chat. I do. I'm like, wandering judges. That's like, literally, what you go send them off to do,

spk_0 go be the judge of of this guy fighting that guy. That's literally the thing they do.

spk_0 Fucking the beginning of fans of menace. Okay, I'm not going to go there. So then the next time

spk_0 you talked to him, he's like, I watched the hollow record. Even if he told him not to,

spk_0 then it didn't exist. What's it? Come on T3. That's what it is. The other options you can say to him

spk_0 is like, yeah, the record exists. But and T3 has it, but I don't want you to watch it. Like you can

spk_0 just. He straight up watch it. And he will still watch it. Bro. And out of my ship. I literally

spk_0 want to kill him so bad. And he was like, anyway, I studied the hollow record. You know, I'm

spk_0 not sure what to do about it because I was looking for a reason why someone would leave the order.

spk_0 And I was like, I didn't leave the order. I was exiled. And he's like, yeah, but exiled is rare.

spk_0 And I found it's not really something that the order is. He says, I found it is not really

spk_0 something that the order can enforce. Believe it or not, it really was your choice. And I was like,

spk_0 you watched it. You watched the record. It wasn't a cheap or a lightsaber back.

spk_0 What were you talking about? And he goes, I don't think so. Perhaps some of them felt

spk_0 strongly about your sentence, but I think something else concerned them. Anyway, the choice to turn

spk_0 a turn away was yours, not theirs. Rob is breathing through a paper bag. He's hyperventilating.

spk_0 And then it is that bad. Like it really is. It opens you up to be able to say, you look familiar.

spk_0 Are you sure I don't know you? And at this point, I gained enough influence and I got the backstory

spk_0 of him being my fucking Stan. So yeah, I was just like, you are, which I have to read that.

spk_0 Because that's because Rob, did you get that at least when you were talking to him?

spk_0 I could get you look familiar and he's like, I just had one of those faces.

spk_0 Oh, I just, I got as far as him. I was like, hey, you can go talk to T3 and look at the tape.

spk_0 But we were in the fucking enclave when we had this conversation because I accidentally

spk_0 targeted him. So I didn't follow up with him yet. But like, I just want to pause here because

spk_0 the fact of thing about what he says in Natalie is like, while you were having that conversation

spk_0 with the tapes over and over again, you continually are being like, yeah, they exiled me because of

spk_0 the war. But I think something happened and that that's not the case. Like that is you

spk_0 two of the three options that aren't the dark-sided options are basically saying time and time

spk_0 again. Yeah, they said this, but I think this. So for this motherfucker to turn around and be like,

spk_0 I studied the tapes, I think there's a different reason. It's like brother.

spk_0 I told you I said that. And even in there, even in that follow-up, he is like, I think you really,

spk_0 but the end of the day, it was your choice to turn away from them. What are you talking about?

spk_0 This is like somebody getting this. This is like after red gets released in Shawshank being like,

spk_0 what really though, no one can imprison you without your consent. Truly. And so I want to be

spk_0 clear something here. Just because I think there's a potentially you could be listening and thinking,

spk_0 oh, but haven't the Jedi denied cutting you off from the force at this point? Isn't that one of

spk_0 the games big mysteries? And the answer to that is yes. That's Kyle and Andrew Quilbose, we didn't

spk_0 cut you off from the force. You came back cut off from the force. That is not what the exiles or

spk_0 what the disciples talking about. He's going to be cast out by the order. So he was like, oh,

spk_0 but you, but they would never cut you off from the force. That doesn't seem like a thing they would do.

spk_0 That would make perfect sense. That's not what he's saying. He's saying he don't cast people out

spk_0 from the order very often. He must have read Duke which I lost. And but in our case, they did.

spk_0 They just did. They just did is a fact of the world. We showed him a tape of it. I chose it. I was

spk_0 like, yeah, go watch the tape like and he did and he came back and said, hmm, yes, interesting.

spk_0 They felt strongly, but I wouldn't say that they chose it. Fuck you. I really, oh, he's so

spk_0 sauceless. He's like, what is he actually bringing of value other than I guess he's a

spk_0 certain. He's somebody that for me, I don't have a good answer. But like,

spk_0 the shoe never drops on this because like it felt like I don't know how you get to writing

spk_0 these lines in this story when you wrote all of this other shit that contradicts it. It doesn't

spk_0 even contradict it just repeats it. Is it intentionally making him look naive? Maybe. Like a fanboy,

spk_0 like anything like that. Is there any? That's why I think there's no chance to get him early. So

spk_0 that he's the one kind of cluing you into like, there's something else going on maybe. I don't

spk_0 know. I'm like trying to find a way that this makes any fucking sense at all because he's just so

spk_0 late to the game on everything. On every point, he's repeating things we already know. Yeah, I mean,

spk_0 yes, you're right. Natalie, that if we'd gotten him first, he would have said the shit about the

spk_0 Republic being sick and being the importance of that. That would have happened before we

spk_0 met go now 100%. And he would have said this stuff about the Jedi failing their students before

spk_0 Zaskaya said it. That 100% right about that. That thing that makes him a worse companion than

spk_0 handmaiden is that that stuff that other people cover. Whereas handmaiden stuff is handmaiden's

spk_0 stuff. Exactly. It's about her. It's about atress. It's about you and your relationship to atress.

spk_0 It's about whether you're going to train her or atress. Wouldn't all of that stuff is very unique.

spk_0 Whereas not only is the stuff that he's telling you about the world so far, at least,

spk_0 like repetition of other people's shit, he's often what he's written, what the dialogue he has to

spk_0 deliver is in conflict with other stuff we know to your point, Ali, to answer questions like how do

spk_0 you get here? I think it probably reflects the rushed state of the games production that maybe

spk_0 things were different at one point. Maybe you didn't get exiled in the way that now we suspect maybe

spk_0 we didn't get cut off from the force by the Jedi Council. That maybe is the case, right? And so

spk_0 maybe there was a time when you didn't get literally exiled by them. Maybe there was some other

spk_0 and that dialogue just stuck the way it is. Then they didn't change it. Who knows? But as it's written,

spk_0 it does make him seem like just kind of a self-righteous asshole who doesn't want to give up on the Jedi.

spk_0 And I think that that is partly true. But you don't need to be interesting. Okay. It comes across

spk_0 better in my game where he doesn't, you don't go down this rabbit hole as much. Because a thing he

spk_0 says to me in the library where you find him is at a certain point if he's like if some of the

spk_0 greatest Sith, like Ulik Keldromo and XR Koon were also some of the greatest Jedi.

spk_0 Certain point, don't we have to start asking him? Is this a problem with like, but that's my point

spk_0 Robert. So we just had that with this KL. This KL just told us that with the same names. So it

spk_0 feels like it's copy and pasted like we need another guy. He called it Ulik and XR. Yeah. He called

spk_0 it Ulik XR and yeah. The third one that I forget the name of. It also just feels like, you know,

spk_0 the game, the way that it talks about the Force and the way that it wants you to think about the

spk_0 Force and influence and you know, was the failure in the teaching or is the failure in the

spk_0 inaction and things like that. Like it feels primed for this character to really shine a light

spk_0 on that sort of thing. Like here's this guy who has so much reverence for the teaching that he

spk_0 cannot actually open to his eyes to the reality of both the exile situation and the situation of

spk_0 the world. Like there is a way to do this smartly that feels like it is woven within the

spk_0 the themes of the game and also makes this character be annoying. But like in a way that you can

spk_0 be like, Oh, he's so misguided and that could be funny or that could be interesting and like,

spk_0 I just don't. He doesn't have it. I realized Rob. The thing that Zest Kael says is on an awareness

spk_0 21, you know, awareness 21. So maybe you didn't get that to trigger. But he says, there have been so

spk_0 many failures by teachers who believe in the code with all their being. Master Arca failed Ulik

spk_0 as master boss failed XR. Koon as K and Jarr and the others of the council failed Revan and Malik.

spk_0 And he hits all those names again later in his big speech. It's the same speech. It's just given

spk_0 to a companion and that you know, yes, that means the companion will have that for you, even if you

spk_0 fail the and maybe that maybe that redundancy is valuable. But what I would love is some stuff here

spk_0 that feels really unique to him and maybe again, we'll get it. Maybe we'll get it. I've already

spk_0 maxed out his influence because I let him phone all over me and talk about how cool I am because

spk_0 when you go to that familiarity path, what he says is if I look familiar, it's because we've met

spk_0 before at the enclave on Dan Tueing many years ago. As on Coruscant, force sensitive children are

spk_0 taken to Dan Tueing as well, though it is done rarely and only with those that believe their deaths

spk_0 that they believe are destined to become Jedi Knights. It is the secret nature of the place. If you're

spk_0 not chosen by a master, when you've come of age, however, then the path of the Jedi has denied you.

spk_0 I met you on Dan Tueing long ago briefly. You taught us how to move within the force,

spk_0 how to see it flow within others, how to see it in the behaviors of others, and to use that

spk_0 site to achieve truth. That's because I'm a Jedi Sentinel, which is like the Jedi investigator,

spk_0 the Guardian and Consular gets slightly different variations. It's all glazing.

spk_0 It's difficult to explain the difference between you and master's root, but I think it's because

spk_0 he was knowledgeable, but not a leader, not a mentor. Craya says this already. You were different. We

spk_0 could all feel it and we knew and I knew that if I were to have a master, I would want it to be you

spk_0 and then you went to war. Many Jedi went to war and the Jedi masters proclaimed that you were

spk_0 Jedi no longer atress. The mystery, you just told me that they didn't do that. But okay,

spk_0 atress, the mistress of the archives was first among them. I knew at that moment that if you would

spk_0 no longer be a Jedi, then you must be correct. I realized I did not want to be a Jedi. Instead,

spk_0 I wished to follow your path. I did any event. There was no one to train me. Even if I wished it,

spk_0 they all went to war and I grew past the age of acceptance. Then you can continue from there.

spk_0 But this guy being a washed out Jedi gifted kid though is pretty funny. But he self-washed out.

spk_0 He chose to leave because you left and not even because you left to go to war because they

spk_0 exiled you when you came back. And then he just studied lore. He was just filling out the Jedi

spk_0 wookiepedia. That's what he is. He's a wookiepedia editor. He's collecting the lore bits.

spk_0 Not to mention Kraya fucking hates him. Yeah. So the one thing that I got with Kraya was her.

spk_0 It's the demonstration of they can't see her sometimes. I don't think he knows she's on the ship.

spk_0 Oh, I have. Have they talked for you? Yeah, they had a conversation.

spk_0 For me, he's hanging out in the med bay and she is doing some tap on his shoulder and disappear

spk_0 type maneuvers. And he's like, what's going on? And she's like right there and she can't see her.

spk_0 Yeah. Which is good. It doesn't like sell it well in the moment. It's kind of

spk_0 confusing. But yeah. But yeah, no, there's a follow up conversation. If you get when you get

spk_0 on the ebb and hawk again, after seeing that cut scene, if you leave and get back on, Kraya will

spk_0 confront the disciple. And he's like, he's looking at a map of all the worlds because what are the

spk_0 first conversations you have with him? Is him in he's in the main hold. He's usually in the medical

spk_0 bay. But he's in the main hold and he's looking at all of the holographic worlds. And you can be like,

spk_0 what's up? Like what are you looking at? And he's like, you know, he's basically talking about

spk_0 Qatar, Telos, Dan Twain. There's something going on here. And if you have the awareness check,

spk_0 you can say like, well, there's something about the worlds, right? And he's like, yeah,

spk_0 these dead worlds, they have a pattern to them. They were all touched by the Mandalorian wars and

spk_0 the Jedi civil war. But sometimes I feel as if they are all connected in some other way,

spk_0 something is wrong. The attacks on Qatar tell us itself and the decay on Dan Twain, something

spk_0 is wrong with life. The connections have been damaged sick. And sometimes I feel like I almost

spk_0 understand then it just slips away. And Krea like Bluetooth in and is like so close. She's not

spk_0 talking to him. No, but she's, but isn't she? She's listening in. Yes, right, right, right. Yes.

spk_0 And then that's after this, when you board the ship is when you get the scene that you describe

spk_0 where she's like kind of hiding from him. That's where he's like, I must be hearing things.

spk_0 And she's like, betrayer, all thoughts of me will slide from your vision from your mind,

spk_0 like water, you know who I am, but you will be unable to voice it to remember it. What is I Jedi?

spk_0 What does a Jedi see? Only what I allow them to see. And then the follow up conversation that I

spk_0 was talking about is she confronts him. And she's like, who are you? And you're like, he says that.

spk_0 Yes, yes, yes. And she said, Krea says, what did you see in the web of worlds that have died?

spk_0 What did you see when you saw it through the force? The disciple says, I see the death of the galaxy

spk_0 of life. At first, I thought it was just conquest, but it's more terrible than that. It's an echo

spk_0 spreading out words killing everything. It's not possible. Krea responds, you are a wasted

spk_0 pawn of the Republic, young one. You could have been so much more even with your wide eyeed

spk_0 innocence, your naive love for others. Now you understand the magnitude of what is being done.

spk_0 Because don't forget the decide, I don't know if we we covered this, but the disciples job is

spk_0 he's a law ex a Jedi law as expert for the Republic. Like he works for the Republic.

spk_0 The Republic has basically hired him for the same reason that go to hired you, which is

spk_0 they can tell Congress. Yes, but right. Exactly. That's the difference is that he's actually not

spk_0 here to actually he doesn't have the ability to actually kind of save these planets, but he's

spk_0 trying to figure out what's going wrong with them so that the Republic can write it. Exactly.

spk_0 So then the disciple responds to Krea, I know you, not even the markings of the dark side can

spk_0 hide it. Why have you done this? And Krea says, I do you think I seek the death of all living

spk_0 things? There's no victory in such things. I do not want to win our war like this little Jedi.

spk_0 When I win, I wish it to be because I was right. My teaching is true.

spk_0 Disciple says, how long have you been here among us? Krea says, you know the truth. I've always

spk_0 been here watching and listening to the echo you have found. You know it's source and what must

spk_0 be done. The disciple says, I will not let you hurt her. Krea says, little Jedi, you cannot stop me,

spk_0 but you will forget this. Your mind is worse than the others. So open, so trusting. Your feelings for

spk_0 her, your weakness. Yet I will gift you with this. You will remember now what you have discovered.

spk_0 When the time is correct, know that what you have seen what formerly only I knew. Now we shall

spk_0 see if you have the strength to stop what comes. This is also a, but she is going to mind wipe him here.

spk_0 She mind wipes him, but she's she's basically like at a certain point, I'm going to un-mipe,

spk_0 un-mind wipe something important about a discovery you've made when the timing is good for me,

spk_0 essentially. But this is also another reason why I feel like the disciple is someone that was

spk_0 meant to come on early because the way that he's like, how long have you been here with us?

spk_0 It kind of, I don't know, it just keeps pointing to him being him and the exile having developed

spk_0 a longer relationship over time. All right, so here's the problem as I see it. I'm not trying to be like,

spk_0 it's the Chris Avalone of it all because like Avalones were contained some multitudes, but there's

spk_0 a little bit of a problem here which is that all the dudes appear to be creeps. On some level,

spk_0 they all come across as creeps and they have bad vibes and you want to walk away from them,

spk_0 but it's a video game so they're in your party and they just continue to have their rants and vibes

spk_0 and being kind of creeps because it kind of sounds like a disciple should have anything be kind of

spk_0 the naive impressionable student like what Kraya is putting down there is actually pretty terrifying

spk_0 that like she's cursing, she's cursing a young impressionable nerd whose life's passion is like

spk_0 knowledge and trying to like put the pieces together what's happening to the galaxy in the Jedi

spk_0 order, but because he comes across not as a student like there's different knowledge, but as they know

spk_0 it all who tells you facts about yourself, he's always trying to sort of impress you and hold forth.

spk_0 He doesn't come from that position of vulnerability that I think the character is supposed to have,

spk_0 he doesn't bring that across and stays seems like a little shit, but the Kraya scenes because the

spk_0 Kraya stuff always brings it is Kraya is finding yet another pain point on a character and like

spk_0 jamming it in a way that would be really scary and effective if this disciple characterization

spk_0 weren't such a misfire. Yeah. Speaking of,

spk_0 manuals and allegations, the disciples voiced by Greg Ellis who has been an actor and a voice actor

spk_0 for a long time, he has been a bit role in a number of movies, largely background, nothing roles,

spk_0 also in television. The thing that I think people of our walk of life, video game people will

spk_0 know him from is as a voice actor in a number of video games most famously as Colin in the Dragon Age

spk_0 series. He first I think made waves around some custody battle stuff in which his legally supposedly

spk_0 assaulted or was assaulted by a patient in a psychiatry ward. Supposedly he intended to harm

spk_0 his children, this is mid 2010s, all that blows over. He continues to work in video games.

spk_0 In 2020, in the midst of the Me Too, Too movement, he releases a hour long video or 15,

spk_0 two minute long video in character as his Dragon Age character, attacking cancel culture and Me Too

spk_0 culture, defending Johnny Depp and doing like a, the line is drawn here thing about this.

spk_0 And earlier this year, no sorry, late last year, in December, he was charged with felony counts

spk_0 of offering a false instrument for filing an unlawful surveillance along with a misdemeanor charge

spk_0 including perjury, three counts of coercion, aggravated harassment, and unlawful dissemination of

spk_0 intimate image, aka revenge porn. And he got arrested for it. He turned himself in for that.

spk_0 And I think that that case has not finished yet. So all of that is still alleged. He did not plead

spk_0 guilty to that when I say he turned himself in. I mean, he turned himself into the warrant or for

spk_0 the warrant. But that is the dude who's voicing this guy. He is an open and well known piece of

spk_0 even before the most recent stuff, which is truly on another level. But yeah.

spk_0 So I'm going to bench this guy probably. Yeah, he's never coming back out with me. I

spk_0 do sucks. Dude sucks. I know there are people who defend this character and I'm so curious what

spk_0 where that stuff goes to be defended. You know, I know one person who I like whose Star Wars opinions

spk_0 I think are generally pretty good who has been like, oh, the disciple has some really cool stuff

spk_0 going on person. And maybe there is some stuff here that I just haven't seen yet. And I don't

spk_0 remember enough of what comes later. The only thing that I know about is a scene that Natalie,

spk_0 you're going to get I think because it's dark side at and and disciple stuff. So we'll see.

spk_0 Because I mean, that's the other thing that I think I don't know if any of y'all had that stuff.

spk_0 But there's like at and end disciple like beef kind of immediately. Atten does not trust the

spk_0 disciple basically. So when I first met him, I was because the whole the general of it all really.

spk_0 I guess you don't even interact with him if you're a male character anyway.

spk_0 Will you talk to him in the in the archive? And that's it.

spk_0 Okay. Sure. Sure. Because like I'm wondering if you're like, are you supposed to feel like

spk_0 bros with these guys? Like, how do you guys feel about at as a companion in terms of male as a male

spk_0 exile? Yeah. Yeah. I don't feel like bros. You know, I think maybe it's because of the mods that

spk_0 we have in I don't know. I feel like that and stuff feels just as intimate with a male companion

spk_0 as it does a female one. But he isn't doing any with that might be because he isn't being weird

spk_0 about gender. Like I don't we don't get anything where he's like those jeans are great on you,

spk_0 buddy. You know, yeah, I just don't think though you can be like, you're just glowing, man.

spk_0 Right. Without having vibes. It's just weird. It's just weird. Yeah. He's he's he's still doing

spk_0 that stuff, right? You're glowing in a brotherly way. Yeah. I just like, Bale Der feels like a bro,

spk_0 Mandalore doesn't really feel like a bro Mandalore feels like a guy on my ship who took with me at all.

spk_0 Yeah. Yeah. I don't there's nothing really happening with Mandalore in this game outside of you

spk_0 bringing him around to talk to his dudes. You're kind of like a taxi surface for him and he's like,

spk_0 yeah, I'll fight for taxi work. You know, well, he's doing a favor for Krea and we don't know what

spk_0 that is. So it really is just like you're he's doing a favor for Reb. What he's really doing. He's

spk_0 building these rebuilding the Mandalore. He can't be wherever he's hung up on his true love.

spk_0 That's right. Exactly. My love. My love has has crossed the wide the wide ocean. Yeah.

spk_0 And the handmade and stuff because you know, that's the character who we have that you don't have

spk_0 in a regular version of the game, right? She's just not there is very clearly meant to be

spk_0 like relationship coded. But I mean, that's so clearly all fucked by her just like

spk_0 undressing all of the time. Yeah. But it's also weird. I'm sorry. I didn't realize this podcast

spk_0 is a bunch of prudes. Well, one of the things that we talked about briefly.

spk_0 It's famously anti-duty. That's right. Yes. Of course.

spk_0 Ali isn't a never-newed but believes video game characters should never be nude. So yeah.

spk_0 It's just true. Yeah. I do think the mirror conversation that you just

spk_0 should not I think rob where you can be like, hey, I want to talk to you for a second.

spk_0 And she's like, no, what are you talking about? You're old enough to be my dad.

spk_0 And you're like, that's not what I meant. And if you go down that line of dialogue,

spk_0 which is that is that male exile only that did Natalie Ali? Did you all get this at all?

spk_0 Mirror's dead. I forgot. I forgot about that. Okay. Wait. I see. Did you get do you understand men

spk_0 with mirror? Ali? No. I have not maxed out her influence though. So I will keep an ear out.

spk_0 You keep an ear out for us when you talk there. One of the things you say is like, hey,

spk_0 I was hoping we could talk. I was just hoping we could talk. I just want to chat with you. And she's

spk_0 like, uh, why? And you can be like, I just wanted to get to know you better. And at that point,

spk_0 she says, why are you trying to make my father no thanks? I already had one. And you can walk

spk_0 through all of that. And eventually she gets to, um, besides like, I don't want to be

spk_0 bunched with you is what she's basically saying. And she's like, besides, you already have your

spk_0 little entourage. I don't want to be another person in the pack. And like, what are you talking about?

spk_0 And she says, look, if we start sharing a bunk, the other girls will get upset. And then I'd have

spk_0 to kick the hell out of them to show them who's the pack leader around here. No thanks. You're sweet,

spk_0 old guy, but let's keep it professional. And you're like, I'm not that old. And then she says,

spk_0 it's more than age. I thought I'd seen a lot, but you look like you're a hundred inside. And then

spk_0 you could say, fine. I didn't think you'd run away from a challenge. And she says, run away.

spk_0 You're the one who couldn't handle me. I'd kill you, which is a wild. And it doesn't go anywhere.

spk_0 There is no mirror. This doesn't, there's not like a next step to that. That's not the beginning of

spk_0 an age gap relationship with Mira. But I do think it's funny. They're like, oh, you are old

spk_0 enough to be her father. Like the exile is not a 22 year old video game protagonist. The exile

spk_0 went to war a decade ago and was a general. And I think that that comes through with the handmaiden

spk_0 stuff in a way that does not for me as a 40 year old playing this game actually make any of the

spk_0 stuff. Kray is talking about feel like real at all. There's no vibes between the handmaiden and the

spk_0 exile. There's way more vibes between the exile and a male exile and atten. It's not so much with

spk_0 Beow Derrick as you have that history already. But you could I could imagine reading it there.

spk_0 I'd say a little bit more of a V-sauce, but it happens so fast with her that it's not,

spk_0 you know, like your two practitioners of the force and that I think already means that you're on an

spk_0 equal level in a way that you know, you have different a different relationship with. But she's

spk_0 also, oh, my life for yours instantly. And that kind of changes that relationship.

spk_0 Also, look, you're not going to the the handmaiden thing can't be the charges that atrius is

spk_0 clearly your ex. That's right. Like this is the show, show it up to date the stepdaughter thing. It's

spk_0 like we're not doing this exile. We are not doing this. I don't care how simple. Well, you want to be.

spk_0 Yes, there's there is even more there than is not about you being her father or anything.

spk_0 Obviously, my, she is not the daughter of my black exile. They did not change her skin color.

spk_0 But there's some other stuff there that I think is a popular fan theory that I don't think we can

spk_0 talk about yet. Okay. Because we haven't had the Revan talk yet with with Kraya. So I'll just

spk_0 get a guide. I'll just look at it. I'll find a way to please her. I think you're influenced

spk_0 up. I don't think you can ever please, Kraya. I think it's just how it is. Like which person do you

spk_0 want to be me to be? Exploq we mean to? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. So that's the gist of all of

spk_0 the that alley to your question of like what the vibes are like. I think Atten. Atten is the

spk_0 first character you recruit. Atten and Kraya from the jump. And so there's a closeness to them that

spk_0 I think is not there. So yeah. For the other character. Are other. Because I actually, because I

spk_0 came to RPGs kind of like like I skipped a lot of the foundational texts of this like.

spk_0 Oh hell. The one that planescape. Yeah. Yeah. Never played it. Yeah.

spk_0 Kray is kind of in that game, Rob. There's a character in that game who is similarly

spk_0 ravell. Ravell. Ravell. Ravell. I think is the pronunciation. Ravell, who is a very similar sort of

spk_0 the key cronish figure. But the thing I'd say here though is that this is game is unique

spk_0 for me in that there's something. It's not so unique in terms of a lot of like the male voice acting

spk_0 being kind of bland and like a lot of it kind of missing the mark. But when I say like the dudes

spk_0 are all written like creeps. It's kind of striking the degree to which like the dudes in this game

spk_0 are incapable of having a normal one like they're incapable of like coming across as the archetype

spk_0 that they're clearly set up to be like there's always a discordant creeper vibe with a bunch of

spk_0 these characters that I think makes a lot of them with in a way that like is this? I don't know

spk_0 enough about the art is say the RPG at this point and in preceding years but like when I play fall

spk_0 out and fall at two. Yeah. I didn't get this vibe. Like this is the people that who are fucked up

spk_0 are really fucked up but they're just really fucked up out the gate. They're not this is Han Solo but

spk_0 if he were secretly a creep who used to choke women to death like that's not yeah. Which is at

spk_0 now he did it professionally but it's still the thing he did. I do think that this game is allergic

spk_0 to playing it straight with 90% of things. I think we've talked before about it being a good sequel

spk_0 tonight to the older public because it cares about what happened in that game but I think it's very

spk_0 suspicious of Cartho Nassie. I don't think it likes that there's like a guy who is a loyal

spk_0 dad and soldier. I think it thinks that that doesn't that is fake and that if it's going to have a

spk_0 loyal soldier it's going to be Beauder who's torn up and guilt inside and if it's going to have a guy

spk_0 who uses who is like sort of your basic white guy it's going to be a guy who hurt women for a long

spk_0 time. Yeah. It's a hurt people for a while but especially women. Here's here's the guy you know

spk_0 but here's the like random ingredient we threw in the pot to make him different than what you would

spk_0 expect. Kotor one had Jolie Bindo the guy who was suspicious of the limits of the Jedi code

spk_0 and who had a bunch of like old timey wisdom to give you. Kotor two has the disciple the guy who

spk_0 suspicious of the Jedi code and the Jedi teachers and he's just like an absolute train wreck

spk_0 interpersonally. I don't know that it's fun to be around those people and I suspect that a lot

spk_0 of it is done with a sneer and not with a sort of critical distance. You know what I mean?

spk_0 Yeah. Yeah but it is sort of like where I'm getting skeptical of the Chris Sevalon of it all

spk_0 and like I don't I don't want to speak to like white and black about this but like

spk_0 when if you want to give credit to Karth Karth is also a character who is riddled by guilt and

spk_0 things like that and you know I think that like this is a game about influence manipulating people

spk_0 and how much you know how easy or hard that is to do and how to get people to rally around you

spk_0 and when you have it spearheaded by somebody who has the sort of allegations around it it is my

spk_0 fear playing more of it is that is it eventually going to be like that is cool. Like if there's

spk_0 reverence to that like that is you know it is a superpower it is something that sets you to a

spk_0 difference you know it puts you into pedestal so to speak that like I don't know I again I

spk_0 there's sometimes like where I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop and I don't know if like

spk_0 some of these themes are going to end up continuing to be disappointed. Disappointing especially

spk_0 as we get more around like weird violence and like stuff like that or is it weird like a weird

spk_0 middle dip of getting through these characters and then it's going to like land once we get to

spk_0 the end. You know I will I am very curious about how it lands because it's been a 15 years since

spk_0 I played this game. I vaguely remember what I pretty strongly remember some key scenes about

spk_0 confrontations with the with Darth Niles and Darth Sion I remember what their vibes are there's

spk_0 like a line in the Darth Niles confrontation that will always live in my mind forever and I remember

spk_0 what the big final confrontation is and kind of what it's about and my memory of it is not

spk_0 it sure is cool how you can manipulate people. Which it totally could be because you know it could

spk_0 it could swerve into like wow the power of leadership which is the version of this that we keep

spk_0 here in Kraya talk about right. Wow only worked because you were able to bring everyone under your

spk_0 thumb but even if it's not explicitly about that it is mechanically been about that you know what I

spk_0 mean like the well I think a lot about reward structures in games and what those suggest are not

spk_0 necessarily morally good but when you reward the player for walking down a path you know or when

spk_0 you produce new content for walking down a path that content is like formally giving precedent to

spk_0 one thing over a different thing. You think about this classic video game endings like Bioshock

spk_0 and Life is Strange 1 give a larger more complex ending to certain choices over other

spk_0 other choices sometimes like in Bioshock I think I don't really give a fuck both of those endings

spk_0 and Life is Strange 1 of those endings is like kind of explicitly given the shaft and it's the one

spk_0 that allows for a sort of like queer happiness ending and the one that isn't that is the one that

spk_0 gets all of the detail and all of the care and I think there ends up being a politics of that or

spk_0 there ends up being a meaning making in that. I think this is true for a lot of different games

spk_0 you encourage when you give players more stuff to pay attention to you're encouraging them to play

spk_0 towards that. I'm not saying anything about that extrapolating out to life necessarily but like

spk_0 if there's a good path and an evil path and only the evil path has like three hours of additional

spk_0 stuff to do in the game there's like an extra push towards that path and that's where your

spk_0 development time went to. So I'm thoughtful about what the kind of design pressures are on the

spk_0 player here and I think that those are very pro you give the influence to people taking influence

spk_0 on people etc. Yeah I mean because we've said like you know this is this is a game that tends to be

spk_0 smarter than other systems about those games like even earlier in this episode like I'm not going

spk_0 to cry like you know a burnt rat that I found on the bed I counsel for and she's like oh that's

spk_0 so cool thank you but like there is a kindness coin system to the influence thing of like you know

spk_0 how good are your relationships and how satisfying is your playthrough of the game going to be

spk_0 because you can get someone close to you despite your you know me me me and like yeah I don't know

spk_0 you know I and I my memory of this game without like just saying out loud what I think the one of

spk_0 the big goals is is that it is concerned with the mechanisms by which that happens in the Star Wars

spk_0 universe this goes back to me talking about the calls and effects stuff on Narcida where

spk_0 a krea is like do you see how you gave that man $5 and now he's getting beat up I think there's

spk_0 a very clear reading of that that is about unexpected unexpected outcomes which is a thing that

spk_0 rukes says actually when you talk to him and you save him from the from the mercenaries he's like

spk_0 why would you do that don't you know that when you do a good thing sometimes a bad thing can come

spk_0 out of it and you're like yeah dude I work with krea she's always telling me that shit but I do

spk_0 think that there's another read on that which is about how someone who is who has your particular

spk_0 force ability to change the world around it how any Jedi with the force has that around that capability

spk_0 that is a scary amount of power and the force enables that I think that's a big you know she the

spk_0 thing that she is that she hates the most and think that she's afraid of the most is nihilist

spk_0 consuming the entire world which which is only available to people who've studied this ancient

spk_0 Sith technique so I think that it is very interested in in the way power works in that way

spk_0 and I should also say even if it is critical of those things you even ends up being critical of

spk_0 the way influence works in video game stories and the way that powerful people real or fictional

spk_0 use their influence in order to hurt people or to manipulate them into doing what they want

spk_0 even if it is very even if it's exactly on point for that that doesn't mean that anyone who created

spk_0 it has lived a good life around those things you know in the same way that people talk about like oh

spk_0 you should love the art not the art you know care about the art not the artist all that shit like I

spk_0 I I'm not going to say or separate the art from the artist I tend not to be a real separate

spk_0 the art from the artist person but I mean that in both directions just because you made some really

spk_0 good art about a topic doesn't mean that you don't haven't fucked that stuff up in your real

spk_0 life you know I've told a lot of stories about people who are like bad at committing to things

spk_0 and people who are overworked and people who are you know how to resist I am the biggest work

spk_0 of holic I know and I have my dad and my stepdad who are who before me were the biggest work of

spk_0 holics I ever knew like it doesn't mean that you told a good story about a thing doesn't mean that

spk_0 you're not guilty of the thing you know and so I should be clear that when I say that I think

spk_0 I remember this game ending on a place that's very interesting about the question of influence

spk_0 and manipulation that is not me saying that avalan or anyone else involved is not extremely

spk_0 capable of misusing their influence to manipulate and hurt people notably Greg Alice did it you know

spk_0 or is is is is in jail currently awaiting trial is my understanding so you know

spk_0 Star Wars baby

spk_0 mmm Star Wars

spk_0 so vruch yeah oh god I forgot we even haven't even talked about hand well I'll say this

spk_0 I like that after well yeah first at asner huh but the fucking go second I like that there isn't

spk_0 an ounce of contrition with this guy after running across so many Jedi masters who were like hey man

spk_0 I feel kind of weird about like how things went down and you know after we exiled you I did a lot

spk_0 of introspecting and vruch is like well well well looks like this piece of trash blew back into our yard

spk_0 uh he completely on and and has that real cranky old professor like well

spk_0 well what about like what why did you take away my force part we didn't you idiot now that we

spk_0 couldn't not that we couldn't have we we we've got that power we didn't exercise against you so

spk_0 go figure something else out uh my force powers are returning to me really I don't feel god damn

spk_0 thing for me excellent superb like vruch when you when you rescue and also you you meet him

spk_0 he's in the mercenary cave being held hostage because they're preparing for their sultan

spk_0 the town slash mansion you rescue him and he's like god could you stop fucking things up for just a

spk_0 minute you haven't learned anything have you you just made everything worse and that's even if you

spk_0 are max light side even if you were like there's no there's no winning with this guy there's nothing

spk_0 you can do to be like I'm actually you and I align on stuff now nothing he's just like this

spk_0 I know no approval no like just absolute disdain uh this is not so you rescue him and he's like well

spk_0 now that you screwed this up I don't know what his plan was again this is this is not a while we

spk_0 should trust the Jedi to know what's what's best here because his his plan he's like I got captured

spk_0 but I was gonna learn stuff and now that they know that I'm not a hostage they're gonna attack the

spk_0 town so we got to get back there and help out but they're in tact the town anyway there's like

spk_0 literally the guy leading the mercenaries is a kind of he's an ex sith soldier uh who sort of

spk_0 rallied the troops to him and he's he's there to mask her everyone regardless he gives you the

spk_0 option of joining him uh game embraces the notion that there's nothing cooler than a scarred eye

spk_0 like you know someone's like a real badass if they got a cut and like a milky eye like

spk_0 like that that's someone that's cool that's that's cool like that that person's badass that's a guy

spk_0 who got me some craer influence by the way because I chose the yep great lie okay I'll help you

spk_0 she loves that well maneuvered exile oh just occurred to me yeah I just a little thought I had actually

spk_0 I just tried something uh so you go you beat the shit out of these mercenaries

spk_0 and then after you win the fight

spk_0 and the group is like okay come here like say perform and then he's like you probably have some

spk_0 questions and he's deeply frustrating uh he's he's basically like we're not hiding we're just

spk_0 evading the sith we're just trying to we're trying to lie low until the sith come out of hiding

spk_0 and they reveal themselves but they haven't yet well how can you find the other Jedi we can't

spk_0 not because we're hiding but it's just safe for if we all stay covert and have no means of

spk_0 communicating because if one gets found and tell the tell where that is are that would be bad

spk_0 and then he something else he indicates I think this is interesting for how it complicates the exile

spk_0 we heard from Zest-Kai-Au you were the only one who came back to face judgment for going out to fight the

spk_0 wars uh-huh vroom has a different take on it which is that you came back because you'd lost your

spk_0 connection to the force and you were freaking out right that you came running back because your

spk_0 transgressions had you sort of re you sort of reaped the harvest that you that you'd sowed and you

spk_0 came running back to the council not just to face judgment but to figure out what's going on with

spk_0 you and see if the Jedi can can can can help get off her council and instead what you got was exiled

spk_0 but the damage to your connection with the force that was already done Jedi didn't do that they

spk_0 just held you accountable for the choice you made and that was interesting because a lot of what we've

spk_0 heard is this like sort of exculpatory like pro exile version of this rukes take on it is that you

spk_0 came back in a position of profound weakness basically unable to face the consequences of whatever

spk_0 you'd done that opened you to losing the force yeah I I really love that you're getting different

spk_0 versions of this from everyone you talk to that at risk you don't have seven samurai well what we're

spk_0 doing roshamon okay we're doing roshamon just fine right now yeah you know I almost wish we didn't

spk_0 have the whole conversation of the trial and the after conversation like I you know though maybe

spk_0 but maybe even with it it's still it the different perspectives on why things happen the way they

spk_0 did is still really great I think I remember don't you see a video the thing you see video somewhere

spk_0 of rukes talking to another master being yeah you see break broken up distorted video of him yeah

spk_0 where's that about is that not remember is that not the trial no no it is him talking to another

spk_0 master about you and it's a little broken up but you basically get an impression of him saying like

spk_0 this guy is this this influence power he's got the weird and it's it's it's bad news like other

spk_0 paddowons are like glomming on to him yeah I don't know I can't remember where we found this but it was

spk_0 like I really thought that that I thought that that was oh you're saying like before a day in

spk_0 between but post yeah it wasn't the trial footage it wasn't the post trial footage it wasn't that

spk_0 bit hmm yeah I don't remember it's if it exists it's on that let's play because it's one less

spk_0 you know I didn't get it somehow you know so someone some of the tell us where it is and give us

spk_0 time stamp yeah but yeah I do think that that's that that is you know and we've definitely had

spk_0 this is kayao say oh yeah like that bond thing of yours people people think it's weird you know so

spk_0 yeah that's that is like a rare a rare thing to occur even amongst Jedi and the four sensitive

spk_0 in general exactly but yeah yeah master fruit is like he just he really just kind of

spk_0 everything you say to him he kind of shits on in one way or another it's like you can be like

spk_0 this the Sith have revealed themselves and he's like have they I haven't seen him and you're like

spk_0 they literally fucking attacked me and they're like he's like why would they attack you you're

spk_0 not a Jedi you can't even feel the force and you're like I've literally reestablished my

spk_0 connection to the force he's like maybe it's just dantween I don't think it's like I don't think

spk_0 I'm feeling that from you really I'm feeling like it might be dantween maybe it's of course that's

spk_0 dantoo we that's dantoo in yeah maybe it's going on this road trip it's doing something to the force

spk_0 vibes actually he says when he says it actually kind of loaded what I feel from you is what I feel the

spk_0 same day we pass sentence on you right which is not that you're completely cut off but the

spk_0 whatever he feels from you that's ambiguous right whatever that is yeah and here's the thing has

spk_0 changed are you maybe that's true that he feels the same thing from you that he felt that day or

spk_0 he feels the same thing that he felt that day are you shorts from from me that you felt that was

spk_0 maybe that's from you maybe that's from the world maybe that's from a woman who's invisibly in

spk_0 the room with us that you can't seem to pick up on I don't know I don't know maybe there's a lot

spk_0 of other stuff moving on moving around here I don't know I like that a lot about this game that

spk_0 these characters have god it's it's I think I said this in an earlier episode but it's like it's

spk_0 pretty rare that a game in a game where someone will just be wrong about their interpretation of

spk_0 events they might be wrong and where like oh I've been betrayed in a big dramatic way or wrong in

spk_0 the like they've been misled or something but it's rare that they're just like yeah I see that day

spk_0 differently and you wait oh no I've here look I I can tell you exactly what you said and they

spk_0 can still be like no I think I see it differently which again I don't like the disciple but I kind

spk_0 of liked it he that it's a game where someone is willing to watch the same video as me and then be

spk_0 like no I think I'm right about this still because that is a way people can be sometimes I don't

spk_0 know if you've lived in the world but out there people are constantly seeing the same videos I'm

spk_0 seeing and saying different shit than me so I like it in that conceptual space I like having a

spk_0 guy who I can hate because we have the same world in front of us and we've been in the same conversations

spk_0 and he thinks a different thing about it than I do and not just because he's a Templar and so

spk_0 being a Templar means that he thinks that we should kill all mages slash get all the pieces of

spk_0 the apple of Eden or whatever the Assassin's Creed Templars do other you know other Templar

spk_0 things whatever Templar type of video game Templar you are I like you know that's fine to

spk_0 disagree I love you match them up there yeah yeah they're both whatever mages get the pieces of

spk_0 Eden whatever it is all whatever they do modern banking great right all that's that's all fine

spk_0 whatever that's a fine thing but I like it a lot when it's like we have a conversation and you

spk_0 and I have like a different pure read of what that conversation was about and like you were reading

spk_0 into my intentions and the tone of my voice and I was reading do you like that's cool I wish more

spk_0 games would do that type of thing you know so well and he's kind of satisfying as for our

spk_0 interests with like the pink head of this of like Jedi senior leadership this man is not his

spk_0 this man sleeps like a baby he has no crisis of conscience over letting the Mandalorians run rampant

spk_0 seeing the Jedi bested brightest go off to fight the Mandalorians exiling you the fall out of

spk_0 a war everything we did was correct look at what's happened this is why we didn't want to do

spk_0 anything yeah but you did something and all of this is on you my hands are clean and that is

spk_0 already like it has infuriating but what's so infuriating about people like that can be the

spk_0 confidence the the the placid unshakable unreflective just thoughtless confidence that like

spk_0 sorry that chapter is closed there's no new information that can be inscribed in my mind

spk_0 about what transpired or the choices we choices we all made it's done yeah the fact the fact that

spk_0 he's still like we did the right thing by letting the Mandalorians kill millions of people is wild

spk_0 and actually everything bad has happened since then

spk_0 bats on you guys for going out and fighting them this is why we didn't want to do it

spk_0 which I don't think was the argument it's just the Jedi were like we need to

spk_0 further study and think about what we're what we're doing but yeah yeah yeah

spk_0 in action costs costs lives Rob where are we going next I think that's a good question because I got

spk_0 the call to come back to on the on yeah we do on the run we do on the run or we can do

spk_0 Corbon both of them are places we have to go I don't have a dog in the race I think a horse in

spk_0 the race I feel like because we got the like nothing has pointed to a Corbon yet really like in terms

spk_0 of the origin plot stuff yeah yeah but the game has said on Doran is now like that that apple

spk_0 is ripe on the branch like it is time to go pay off some of the Dixon stuff let's do it let's

spk_0 finish it off let's go back what was the place called where the guy was the sky ramp and see

spk_0 sky ramp is finally a place we're gonna go to we can walk up Gavara is up to Gavara who seems

spk_0 like maybe our boy you know yeah he keeps coming up with someone who like trusted us or something

spk_0 I don't know yeah so I guess how many of y'all will be citing with the queen are locked in

spk_0 deciding with the queen I have to imagine we're in the data right I'm not locked into her

spk_0 no but I imagine I guess my point being I'm not sure are we at this point locked into what we were

spk_0 are I think based on the approach if if what's his name uh the her cousin is it

spk_0 the general the general yeah right but is a relation of hers or her brother I forget but he

spk_0 approaches you before you leave and is like I'm gonna call you when I'm ready for you to come back

spk_0 and that locks you in to citing with him or if you deny his call it locks you in deciding with

spk_0 the queen I believe so I'm curious that makes sense but yeah I'd like to wrap it up because I

spk_0 got to get back to Gita and let her know that I got another planet for her it's really important to

spk_0 me to be keeping Gita you know just supplied and open open up her wears across the galaxy so

spk_0 that's my priority don't really care about the Sith right now just um oh yeah

spk_0 quick uh-huh did we all give that lady the wills to get control I didn't give her I didn't

spk_0 not did you find a way to get the the stuff from Sharon when you find those bodies I think you

spk_0 get the option to don't you get the option at that point to I created a photo of the will yeah that's

spk_0 when you have to have done it if you do it then then you can go turn in the will and the box to

spk_0 to share on and then you get all the stuff then you get all the stuff but Sharon was like

spk_0 he knows these wills and he knows he doesn't give a shit

spk_0 he was like oh they have the wills all right whatever you can have it

spk_0 okay I need how good is that loot I don't remember what it was

spk_0 it was so good Rob it was the best it was the best ever you reload your save

spk_0 I bought so much from that lady's shop don't worry about it I guess you're gonna be fine you're

spk_0 gonna be fine you're not gonna mess it before you go back to Andoran make there's gonna be a moment

spk_0 where we have to switch between two parties one of them is us is the x-I plus kraya plus a third person

spk_0 I believe and the other one has to be led by um I believe handmaiden uh or I think it's

spk_0 I'm looking at it handmaiden or disciple mera v's handmaiden I'm gonna read the sentence

spk_0 yeah we choose a party there which must be led by one of the handmaiden or disciple mera vesas

spk_0 or atten oh right the oh the first or is because for most players that's one of the other so either

spk_0 handmaiden disciple mera vesas atten so make sure that you at least one of those people level up

spk_0 to a point where you're like I want them to be my my stand-in for their own party I have a question

spk_0 very brief because I know we're wrapping up if I have prestige people am I like good on influencing

spk_0 them yeah you're not you don't need to worry anymore okay in general prestige in them means that

spk_0 you max their influence out yeah cool cool cool and you can still lose influence with them

spk_0 but it's fun yeah okay I just want to make sure yeah yeah yeah okay yeah cool yeah I'm excited to go

spk_0 to ducks and woo on under on under on no no we got to go to ducks and first okay well okay wow

spk_0 she got to go to ducks and first to make the plan I guess I say yeah we must follow the path of

spk_0 the ancient beasts oh well first I'm going to the mall because the people in Antwing had a lot of

spk_0 money oh yeah yeah yeah it's time to go shopping give me got multiple that was it's permission

spk_0 mm-hmm okay no game anymore you won't see me on those tables smart I love that you know stay

spk_0 off those draft kings you know what I mean yeah and I spend a money on cards don't don't

spk_0 don't need to lose that's right that's right instead open a you should you should open

spk_0 an investment account why doesn't why doesn't this game give you the option to open an investment

spk_0 account less less Pizak and more CDs yeah fireful fire rays yeah I'm trying to retire I'm trying

spk_0 to retire after all this shit's done um I feel like godo should be able to give you a bank

spk_0 account like an investment he has the vibe to me people please talk to godo see if you can get

spk_0 out of this thing it's fine if you can't but you can talk your way through influence with him

spk_0 I believe so all right maybe we'll talk to him on our way to Andoran and uh doxan

spk_0 with that we reached the end of another episode of Amor civilized aides are shows produced by

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spk_0 until next time please rate and review us on your podcast platform choice and did it all

spk_0 think it's suspicious that the queen got a Jedi advisor and immediately isn't like on the

spk_0 cusp of being overthrown super interesting I feel like the track record is not right for the Jedi

spk_0 as Jedi sorry which queen do you mean you mean Tali or do you mean this one went on dantuin

spk_0 for two oh shit that's true it's it goes bad for anyone it goes bad don't don't that's

spk_0 kaya'll had it right keep the Jedi out of politics yeah that's right that's emc promise

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